Urgent Imperative of The Seasteading Institute

[@princearthur4946]

Very nice idea and vision! Love your mission!

[@brightlight3520]

i am very interested in this concept, it could finally solve homelessness if we could jist create more housing on the sea!

[@jackcavendish8900]

Where’s shallow enough in international waters to moor one of these seasteads?

[@joequirk6403]

Important question! They will probably start out moored to shallow areas of the continental shelf in the exclusive economic zone. Next step after that will probably be seamounts on the high seas.. When Seasteads start using station keeping, a different set of regulations will apply. Soon after, Seasteads will be very mobile as they move on their own power. But the first easiest step, from an engineering and regulatory standpoint, is an affordable spar or miniature semisubmersible with no engine moored to the seafloor which can be towed.

[@jackcavendish8900]

@@joequirk6403thanks for the reply 👍

[@kwamehameha4359]

Can the interested national governments join the process of forming a new First Classification Society made specially for seasteading?

[@seasteading]

The Ocean Builders team has worked with the Panama government, but we really don't need to wait on governments to join the project. It will be more efficient to present them with a mostly complete process.

[@lucasbaumgartner1361]

interesting! i theorized a surveying company for domestic and international waters to measure and make claims

[@seasteading]

sounds like you could join our volunteer team! www.seasteading.org/volunteers-needed-for-classification-rules-development/

[@Inevitable-Indic-revival]

I m interested. How do I get involved ?

[@seasteading]

Wonderful! Sign up here: www.seasteading.org/volunteers-needed-for-classification-rules-development/

[@skeptic_al]

Step one: buy a swimsuit…

[@billdomb]

Email was a tad confusing, since we had no clue what a classification society was.

[@jayweisserose9407]

Quite disappointed Liberland isn't in consideration for the flagging countries...

[@FF-xw8gs]

Unfortunately Liberland is not yet recognized internationally as a "state". Therefore, raising the flag of Liberland on the seasteads would not bring "legitimacy" before other nations to the free operations of the Seasteaders. But when Liberland finally achieves the much-desired international recognition, they could become the Seasteaders' greatest ally.

[@npalmi88]

This MUST become a reality. I cannot stand this not being a thing yet. However, when you start talking about how these things are going to have to be “certified” and “insured”, you’re opening yourself up to be regulated to hell by the very people you’re ostensibly trying to escape. What’s the point of being in international waters if you’re just going to recreate the nanny state at home?

[@themonrovian8441]

Exactly this. At some point someone with enough money and brains will just have to DO IT. You can’t comply your way to freedom. You can choose to be respectable or you can choose to be free - it’s basically impossible to be both.

[@FF-xw8gs]

So, what do you recommend for dealing with state navies invading and stealing floating platforms? All governments will consider this 'legitimate,' and seasteading communities will be shut down before they even begin. If we don't have the capabilities or technologies to build a seasteading community in international waters right now, imagine having the military capability to repel state navy invasions. Therefore, you have to play by the rules of the big players, while you are not a big player yourself to negotiate on equal terms.

[@themonrovian8441]

@@FF-xw8gs you raise a very good point. In my opinion the only way to get around this would be to do this in Antarctica under the rubric of research and the Antarctic Treaty system. You need to be in an extreme environment. Not only is military activity banned south of 60 degrees, it is very physically difficult to conduct operations there. To add an additional layer of protection you could make the colony submarine and mobile. Is this ridiculously expensive? Yes. But it is still vastly cheaper and safer than colonizing the Moon or Mars. I agree with you in the sense that I doubt you could have a pleasant Seastead floating in temperate or tropical waters anywhere in the world and not have it shut down or otherwise screwed with. A submarine Seastead moving around beneath the Antarctic ice sheets would be a challenge to deal with even for the US navy. And this is much less fantastical than any off-world colony.

[@antirussia_org]

"Spars already float in the biggest waves in the world [...] so put a house on it" yeah, but would it be comfortable, tho?

[@zcommunitybuilder]

Never forget this started as a pet project from a Bitcoin couple that cashed out. Why would we donate if the purpose is for crypto tax evasion of a small group?

[@Chipwhitley274]

Because taxation is theft... and tax evasion is a human right... And the entire point of seasteading is to get out from under such oppression... to increase our Liberty.

[@stefanosilva7013]

If seasteads need a flag, and therefore all regulations related to ships apply, why not just buy a used cruise ship to start? It would be much cheaper.

[@seasteading]

It's not as easy as it sounds to convert a cruise ship into a seastead: www.seasteading.org/convert-cruise-ships-to-seasteads/

[@skeptic_al]

Let’s ignore the logistical issues, which are insurmountable. What is the minimum population for a sustainable community and culture? How many professions do we rely upon to keep our homes habitable and our lives sustainable? How many resources are required, and how are they paid for? And how are these needs met on a floating apartment building? This is cartoonish madness.

[@FF-xw8gs]

OMG😱 Dude, you are a genius. Humans have already been to the moon, they are preparing to go to Mars, but all these issues you said are so impossible to solve, just like destroying a black hole in the center of the Milky Way Galaxy, LMAO 🤣🤣🤣

[@FF-xw8gs]

All of this can be addressed through studies, research, analysis, testing, prototypes, self-improvement, and so on. Not everything is solved overnight, just as these issues will be dealt with over time as seastead companies develop new prototypes that can be used in future seastead communities in international waters. First, The Seasteading Institute needs to become a Classification Society to certify future seasteads and ensure compliance with international maritime laws, a process that will likely take up to two years due to the fact that most of The Seasteading Institute's members are volunteers. After that, we need seasteads capable of withstanding and remaining stable in international waters for at least 100 years. Finally, we can address the questions you raised.

[@skeptic_al]

@@FF-xw8gs two things are immutable: physics and human nature. You’re battling both of them. It’s a ridiculous idea and it isn’t going to happen.

[@FF-xw8gs]

​@@skeptic_alI don't understand; we are not doing anything different from what already exists today. Don't offshore floating oil platforms already exist? Why would it be different if we made them cheaper and smaller? I don't understand why 'human nature' would prevent such a project. There are many types of social organizations for humans, such as community associations, NGOs, businesses, HOAs, condominiums, churches, foundations, institutes, charities, etc. All of these are feasible demonstrations that humans can organize and cooperate with each other. Well, I’m sorry to say, but you’re going to be disappointed because these projects are going to happen. Obviously, it may take about 20 years to establish the first seastead community in international waters, but they will happen.

[@skeptic_al]

@ what does not exist is independent micro nation states on oil platforms. “Residents” of such will be entirely dependent on the mainland and will have precious little to barter with for their bread and water, not to mention electricity. Perhaps each “state” will have a resident billionaire who underwrites the enterprise as a vanity project, but short of that you’re talking about impoverished hermits on resource-intensive barges trying to eke out an existence in the harshest micro climates on earth. I may live another 20 years on this planet, hopefully more. If I see a successful social organization living independent of larger government structures on man made island in the seas, I’ll eat my hat. Until then it’s a fantasy, and a rather unattractive one at that.