Patrick Reed Told to Put His Ball Back - Golf Rules Explained

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Q.
If a player lifts their ball on the putting green to clean it, but forgets to mark their ball, does this count as accidental movement?
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No, this was a deliberate action, that they made an accident in not marking their ball first. This is not part of the exception, so they would incur a penalty of one stroke and be required to replace their ball.
Rule 14.1 & 9.3.
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[@drewjenkins2318]

*Patrick did the right thing.* Called the official over. Made a steady par. Wrote down birdy.

[@FernandoGarcia-uf1yk]

🤣🤙🏼

[@pietekoo5559]

😅😅 He will be the one player at the end of career to have been involved with all the rules of golf and pushed the edges of each one🙃

[@petewalters1839]

Is it just me, or is he the only player on the PGA that I always hope he screws up. There's ones I root for. There's ones I just watch and hope to see a good shot. And then there's Reed, who I always want to miss the fairway or blow the putt.

[@roscoejones4515]

You're not alone. A thief and a cheat.

[@golffit3066]

I'm absolutely in your camp. I'd love to see a10 year ban from competition

[@TimmyVision]

Same

[@davidli1331]

I think he is badass....

[@golffit3066]

@@davidli1331 you misspelled "fat ass"!

[@j.t.3798]

Pat has a tendency to put his ball wherever he wants.

[@1HappyGolfer]

GolfRules Questions I can’t believe The PGA Tour have removed your video about Patrick Reed’s plugged ball. You do great work on educating us on the rules of golf. I find it ridiculous they have done this and have no idea why. Please keep up the good work.

[@GolfRulesQuestions]

Yeah it is very annoying, but they have their Reedsons.

[@matt7iron]

@@GolfRulesQuestions i want 2 Armed Deputies following and watching this Cat at all times and Immediately Arrested and perp walked off the Course if any remote possibilities of Cheatin occurs.

[@CaribSurfKing1]

He did the right thing, calling over the official due to his history and the TV cameras

[@squigglyphrank9348]

He should have put it in the hole and said thats where he found it

[@FernandoGarcia-uf1yk]

😂

[@dalmo001]

This rule has come to be known as the "Horschel Rule" as at the Masters in 2016 Billy Horschel's ball came to stop on the putting surface after a chip and was marked and lifted. When the player came to place the ball down and remove his marker, the ball was carried away by the wind, off the green and into a water hazard causing a penalty and drop in the relief zone. The Governing body looked at this incident and changed the ruling keeping with the integrity of the game. If you mark and lift your ball on the putting surface after it has come to rest, that ball can only be classed as back in play once you make your next stroke, meaning if you place your ball and the ball moves with outside interference before you make your shot, you are to replace the ball with no penalty.

[@kyle381000]

So, imagine that two balls are sitting adjacent on a green. One ball has been marked, lifted and re-placed while the other ball has never been marked. At that point, both balls are considered 'in play'. Then, a gust of wind blows both balls into a penalty area. Under the new rule, the first ball can be retrieved and re-placed where it had been marked. The second ball must be played based on its new location, which will probably involve a penalty stroke and another shot to the green. So, please explain how this inequity is 'keeping with the integrity of the game'.

[@scottnorman2296]

Great story, Diane. Thanks for sharing .

[@ceemaahn]

@@kyle381000 because the rules dictate the way the game is played, the players understand the rules and agree to be bound by them, so the integrity is intact by enforcement of the rules. Slightly altering your hypothetical, if the wind blew both balls in the hole the unmarked ball would count as holed out, while the marked ball would have to be replaced and played to completion. Like in other aspects of life, rules guarantee equal opportunity, but not necessarily equal outcome.

[@kyle381000]

@@ceemaahn Your rationale makes no sense and completely misses the point. Horschel and other players were playing by the old rules before those rules were changed, so playing by the rules is not the issue here. Instead, the integrity of the game has been compromised by this change because two near-identical situations are (now) treated very differently. I understand your hypothetical very well, and have used it before as additional rationale to explain the absurdity of the new rule. Your reference to 'equal opportunity' is exactly my point. That is, if two balls (only one has been marked and re-placed) are immediately adjacent to one another on a green, then why are both not subject to the 'opportunity' to be affected by external forces? Why should one ball NOT be considered in play simply because it had been lifted and re-placed, while the other ball is still considered to be in play? I strongly suspect that if Horschel's ball had rolled into the hole we would never have heard another word about this situation. Instead, there were cries from the uninformed that what happened to Horschel was 'unfair'. The fact that the ruling bodies came up with such an ill-considered and incomplete solution simply escapes me. They should have left it alone because there was absolutely nothing unfair about the Horschel situation. It was only Horschel's lack of understanding of the original rule itself that caused the notoriety and the controversy. The USGA/R&A need a mulligan on this one.

[@warholscircus]

He's such a hardcore cheater, I hate to see him benefit from anything.

[@stevewhiting5672]

😟 missed that one. Trouble now is even though Reed probably knew to replace it, if he hadn’t call an official he’d have been slated for not doing so!

[@doubleRprodutions]

Shame he doesn't do that when he has dodgy lies in the rough. The guy is and always will be a cheat.

[@jazzyethan]

No that’s not accurate Frank... The last words ken spoke on TV

[@michaelmoyers5970]

hahahahhahhahha

[@vek679]

Anything Patrick Reed does deserves scrutiny

[@blackthaiaffair1475]

Is the other guy due a penalty for having his ball not marked while Preed is finishing his hole out? Unsure? just a question....

[@apaulmcdonough2170]

No Penalty. However, if you are asked to mark your ball you MUST Do So, same goes for moving your marker out of someone's Putting Line. You aren't allowed to "Stymie" anymore. The Penalty is on me, if my Ball is played from on the Green and strikes your Ball while yours is also on the Green, which is the second reason you MUST Mark upon Request.

[@geemac7267]

It's always something with him it seems.

[@FobbitMike]

Give the guy a break. He called for a ruling to avoid being hassled.

[@manbearpig7359]

Goddamit! I am officially down the obscure golf rules fascinate me rabbit hole.

[@GolfRulesQuestions]

Welcome aboard!

[@xstarmonx]

*sigh of relief* so glad he missed the putt

[@TW-fv2zu]

I used to do this when I was 12 years old.... Viva La Patrick

[@gessabrek]

Still at the buster keaton!!!!!

[@PopeOnArope]

The rule used to be if your ball moves regardless of reason you get a stroke and play it as it lies, I forget his name but the rule was changed after his ball was blown off the green by the wind and into the water lol. The only problem with rule changes which is actually probably a good thing is the committee gets together every 4yrs I believe to address any type of possible rule changes and vote on it.

[@PopeOnArope]

@Richard T it was Billy Horschel it happened to at the 2016 Masters, but he definitely wasn’t the first person but I do believe he was the last. I can’t believe it took them as long as it did to change the rule to be honest.

[@willsmith966]

He'll never cheat at Augusta because he's smart enough to know he will possibly be banned, even with past champion status. They are the only group with enough guts to make a stand.

[@tmo4330]

we will see.

[@kyle381000]

I understand this relatively new rule but I hate it, too. In my opinion, a ball that is in play should not be allowed to 'own' a spot simply because that ball had been marked and re-placed on that spot. Once a ball has been re-placed then it should be considered fully 'in play' and subject to the same forces as any other balls which had not been marked.

[@andy-dt7to]

but he CAN put it back in the right place, he just doesn't want to as its a small depression. the ball once it moved (a tiny bit) was then probably in the correct place.

[@Imsoevil99]

Is it just me or did he move his ball to a different spot then it was when he first marked it? I remember Lexi Thompson get charged 2 stokes for the same thing and cost her the major...

[@ikigai47]

Every tournament needs a Patrick cam. A cameraman who's sole job it is to watch him like a hawk at all times. He could be meeting with a co-conspirator in the woods like Shooter McGavin

[@dingleberryridesagain3606]

Rule 43c clearly addresses this;Any player,Male Female or other ,may break wind with the assistance of a following breeze, but,and this is important! If the breeze is not following,and the Lady Captain is close by ,all efforts must be made to alert all members of the club within fourteen feet of the methane conversion that is underway, The penalty for this heinous act may be horrendous!! Yup

[@doggonepointgooddogbacking3248]

Crickets chirping.

[@kyle381000]

Good thing for Reed that the LIV Golf tour will not be playing by 'strict rules', but instead will be run much like a beer league on an 'honor system'. Based on this, Reed is expected to be among the leading money winners every year...

[@MadRS]

Well turns out Frank was right. Player at the Masters on the 15th got done for the ball moving after removing the coin and it rolled back into the pond.

[@kevo31415]

The rule was changed since that incident at the Masters, so Frank was not correct (anymore). The incident at the Masters on the 15th was so ridiculous they changed the rule.

[@progfuprogfu7813]

Rules changed after Horshels incident.

[@markio2010]

He doesn't care, he wants to make as much money as he can and ignore the rest..he knows he won't be on top for long.

[@josephhann8844]

patrick, call your mother.

[@mikebray6400]

He's a Pro, he should know.

[@jet3099]

While everyone is so determined to label Reed a cheater, why don’t we hear more about Phil Mickelson running up onto the green to stop a moving ball! If a lesser known player had done that, he would have been DQ’d on the spot!

[@ianrive6129]

He didn't cheat, he hit a moving ball and took the penalty. Not a good look though

[@thebruteforce1]

Just watched a video where a guy put his ball back on the green and removed the marker and the wind blew it off the green and into a pond. Officials made him drop it in a drop zone and take a penalty.

[@GolfRulesQuestions]

That’s not a currently Rule, when did that happen?

[@Nick-eq5oo]

@@GolfRulesQuestions it was around 2016 or 17

[@5031pdm]

@@Nick-eq5oo I think it was Billy Hoerschel at the masters. And I think they changed the rule in 2019. I was thinking the same thing!

[@BillSmith-rx9rm]

Well at least he did the right thing. This time.

[@buffalobraves9]

The rule must have changed because just a few years ago the exact same thing happened to Billy Horschel at the 15th at Augusta. He marked it, replaced it and then the ball rolled back into the pond. He was penalized a stroke and had to go to the drop zone.

[@Cursedfenix]

Yes they changed the rule 2 or 3 years after that happened to Horschel

[@GolfRulesQuestions]

Yeah they changed 1 Jan 2019, watch Billy here kzbin.info/www/bejne/hl7QlGOOhcSCY6s

[@ProfessorDBehrman]

I googled "Patrick Cheat" and found MANY articles on Reed cheating.

[@mikegruber172]

breeze has NO impact

[@vancityslicker2844]

This guy is a disgrace to the game! Any event he's in and whatever network shows him play i refuse to watch!! PGA Get rid if this guy!!

[@stevelangsdorf7307]

I wouldn't play Pebble Beach for free if Patrick Reed was play😤

[@MH-mk9vc]

So if I “accidentally” move my ball before I mark it, I can play it where it finishes?

[@GolfRulesQuestions]

No, you’d have to replace it.

[@apaulmcdonough2170]

@@GolfRulesQuestions are you sure about this one? "Accidentally" moving BEFORE initially Marking ... That's still a Penalty and Replace, I believe.

[@GolfRulesQuestions]

@@apaulmcdonough2170 on the green (referencing this video) it’s no penalty. In the teeing area, no penalty. During a search, no penalty. When proceeding under a Rule, or measuring, marking, etc., no penalty. Any other time, a penalty.

[@mello7147]

If he marks that ball a couple more times he’ll have a gimmick 😂😂😂

[@ronjessie8194]

Since his bunker incident it seems that Patrick is under the microscope, it seems to me that the TV crew is more interested in him then is called for, but if creating controversy adds viewers then go for it, he seems capable of handling the pressure.

[@neilmackay7319]

He should be under scrutiny at all points on the golf course, the guy's a cheat. Pure and simple.

[@progfuprogfu7813]

The PGA allowing Patrick Reid to cheat is one major reason I support any other league that can give fair and honorable golf a try. The Saudis might say " at least we make all players , even our own play by the rules" . Because that is not the case for the PGA. Related point , why does the PGA play at courses like Augusta , that is a private , for profit course, that does not disclose its membership . A nice way of saying" this is a good old white Boys club" and you can only play here when you are making us millions and then you aren't allowed unless you fit the profile. Seems like that doesn't it. Does the PGA stand for Perverted Racist A holes? Maybe not but I think it fits.

[@destroyingtheworksofthedev9349]

ROTTEN CHEAT - THE CAT'S OUT THE BAG, HE WILL NEVER HEAR THE END OF IT. CAREER AND NAME DESTROYED.

[@justanaussie2822]

Where there is smoke there is fire. I’m sure Lance Armstrong was a nice guy and no doubt a great rider. But he cheats. Reed has been caught so many times. How many times do we reward bad behaviour.

[@sethbriars2042]

Your society not only rewards it but thrives on the attention and drama. Your society hates me as well. I’m referring mainly to United States culture right now and social media look at me culture. Sports are a microcosm of our fucked society. A lot of it is human nature.

[@peterbirkemose]

Lance Armstrong is not a nice guy😂 He wqs probably the best rider of the time as it seems everyone was doping and he stayed on top, but he did it through threat and intimidation of officials, team managers and fellow riders AND their families. (Yes he made sure there were made threatening phone calls etc to the wives of previous team mates to make sure they didn’t rat him out).

[@denisjl100]

in the court of public opinion he is always guilty. i'm not defending him because i really don't know him as well as other players on the tour. my question is this, phil mickelson seems to make just as many screw ups as this guy but still seems to be a fan favorite. why is that?

[@roscoejones4515]

For the same reason Kuchar has a rep as a loveable Howdy Doody, but when he finally wins a tournament he basically tosses his local caddy a shiny silver dollar and assumes he'll love it. Even when he got called out he gave him less than half of what anyone else would pay. They are phonies. At least Reed doesn't hide the fact he's a cheating dickhead.

[@doggonepointgooddogbacking3248]

Apparently your shift key is malfunctioning.

[@denisjl100]

@@doggonepointgooddogbacking3248 shift key is fine SEE

[@Greg-GT1]

He finally did the right thing instead of making his own rules before an official is available

[@ryanokeefe12]

He didn't make his own rules before calling an official.. he followed the rules. You're allowed to mark the ball to check if it's imbedded. he marked his ball. the marker stayed. McIlroy was in exactly the same scenario as reed in that comp (ball bounced but no one saw it bounce)... McIlroy marked the ball, cleaned it, took the drop and played on without a rules official (as you're allowed to do) and no one said a word. Get off the Reed hate bandwagon.. its full of clueless people.

[@geoffdrew5207]

@@ryanokeefe12 He pushed his ball and then his finger into the ground to make it look like the ball had plugged, the guy is a compulsive cheat, always has been and always will be. He doesn't do it for the money, he does it because it is a part of his nature.

[@ryanokeefe12]

@@geoffdrew5207 that's a blind assumption. There was so much rain on the course that a ping pong ball would have embedded from 2 ft. Combine that with zero foot traffic to compact the soil (covid) and you've got your end result. Do you forget that his drop was in the exact same grass? If his ball wasn't embedded, there is zero advantage. You say he's a compulsive cheat... He misinterpreted the 2019 rule update regarding the grounding of the club in the bunker and took the penalty on the chin. That's it.

[@geoffdrew5207]

@@ryanokeefe12 Nothing blind about it, video clearly showed the ball bounce then settle in the long grass, if it had of settled on top of the grass he would not have moved it. His actions of pushing down on the ball before he lifted it is clear to see, as is his actions of sticking his finger back in the hole to further create a depression, a depression he pointed out to the official. The guy is a cheat, pure and simple, if he thinks he can get away with it he will try. I know of several acquaintances of mine that are great guys and great golfers but they constantly cheat, it is something they can't control. They acknowledge it but they can't stop.

[@ryanokeefe12]

@@geoffdrew5207 the video doesn't show that. It shows him feeling to see if it's indented. You are assuming that the video shows him pressing his finger into the hole. Again, mcilroy did exactly the same thing. Is mcilroy a cheat as well? Reed knows that cameras are on him. You'd have to be clueless to think he would cheat with a camera on him and course attendants watching him.

[@golffit3066]

He better get a DNA test for the kids in case his wife cheats as much as he does!

[@Aerkcvb]

That he wasn't DQed shows that cheating is common in pro golf.

[@billnason7098]

I would never trust Patrick Reed ever when it comes to golf he has tried to cheat with cameras on him never mind when the cameras are not on him he is a disgrace to the PGA tour

[@raychad5058]

I have seen this guy tap 20 times behind grassy lie to flatten out lie. Cheater through and through.

[@markjeffers4663]

I'm sure Patrick WASNT doing anything wrong at all wonder who he blamed for the missed putt

[@jayparker223]

Glad he missed the putt

[@jpatrick1967]

Yeah, those two fucking blades of green mowed grass would have made all the difference. Golf rules are so goddamn moronic.

[@92xl]

Just put it where ever you want Patrick, you usually do. Swear this guy should have been named Richard.

[@jameshalljr.5705]

Winter Rules Reed!!! Always up to something.

[@scottm8914]

😂🤣

[@fernandodelosreyes3686]

That's what happen when you intentionally trying to cheat, KARMA will hit you and one of this days they will throw you out of the golf course and you will be in golf hall of shame CHEATER

[@christopherfranklin972]

Makes me wonder how many dodgy drops Nobilo had in his career if that's the sum total of his rules knowledge. As regards Patrick Reed it's amazing how many come out of the woodwork saying they've seen him cheat and yet did or said nothing about it at the time which in my view makes them complicit and in no position to point a finger.

[@apaulmcdonough2170]

This video shows the Proper Procedure enacted in the Rules Changes enacted in 2019. What Frank Nobillo stated WAS the Rule WHEN he was still playing.

[@gessabrek]

When he gets away with it he'll keep on doing it

[@scottcooneymusic6736]

Reed thinks his antics are endearing but people actually genuinely dislike this guy. And he will NEVER be given the benefit of the doubt again.

[@paulmclean2711]

He, ll always be known as a cheat

[@jcee6886]

Your apostrophe fell.

[@dreamjackson5483]

He's a snake. For sure. I wonder do all the pros on the tour dislike him. Just like at your local club

[@brandonseaw3839]

Really not comfortable watching him play anymore.

[@jguitar29]

I have to say Reed Looks better in Footjoy.... Nike gear didn’t really suited him....

[@DBLDoG]

Reed was causing the ball to move…… good riddance

[@theivory1]

He missed, awesome. F that tool

[@12345Itsme]

He's a bum.

[@duanepigden1337]

How does he get away with cheating.

[@Randsurfer]

Frank Nobb head doesn't even bother learning the 2019 rules revisions.

[@apaulmcdonough2170]

He played for a lot of years under the Rule he stated. I am still uncomfortable about Putting to a Hole with the Flagstick in, even though my Brain knows it's now legit, and NOT a Two Stroke Penalty anymore.

[@Randsurfer]

@@apaulmcdonough2170 I also played for years under previous rules. I'm not in the Golf business and I'm not a professional golf commentator but I've taken a half hour to know the rule updates that happened starting 2019.

[@apaulmcdonough2170]

@@Randsurfer Well then, that *half an hour* must mean you're extremely well versed on the rules, *under all circumstances.*

[@Randsurfer]

@@apaulmcdonough2170 Much better versed than Nobby. Thanks. It only took 30 minutes to get updated on the 2019 revisions. Seems like it would be a small effort for a top tier golf commentator like him.

[@apaulmcdonough2170]

@@Randsurfer *HILARIOUS!* 30 Minutes ... By the way, just what Rule did govern Stroud's Situation?

[@TC.....]

Reed is a known cheater

[@robertlake9009]

Should be banned from the tour.

[@rvr1892]

He's a cheater from the first tee on, period

[@TheDjcarter1966]

Unless the ball rolls off the green in the water then you are SOL appearantly

[@jaychip1]

No, that rule has been changed to replace the ball. You are thinking of the 2015 Masters where Billy Horhchell's ball rolled into the from the green after Mark and replace. He was SOL, but because of that incident the rule has since been changed.

[@terrybrady392]

What a creepy thing he is.!!!

[@ES-rr6jp]

Still don’t like him

[@ES-rr6jp]

@Pat Snyder try watching this about him moving a ball to his advantage kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHmzaqRpjM6KitE

[@ES-rr6jp]

@Pat Snyder lol, it’s funny how you are getting upset over something like this... you need to find a better way to spend your time. have a nice day

[@ES-rr6jp]

@Pat Snyder ohhhh okay, YOU GOT ME LOL

[@stephenlabadie8183]

What a cheater....

[@edclark726]

Cheater !

[@Slim.Swainy]

He’s a cheat regardless. Been watching trump play I think

[@codyallen9486]

Maybe Clinton? According to John Daily

[@petermcgill1315]

@@codyallen9486 yeah, Trump plays ‘just for fun’, too, right?

[@codyallen9486]

@@petermcgill1315 Clinton is a known cheating in golf and marriage. Trump too but you are in love with trump.

[@petermcgill1315]

@@codyallen9486 in love with T**** You, sir assume too much. And besides, Clinton doesn’t live or die on his reputation as a golfer... T**** on the other hand...

[@TYLERVUESJJ]

Cheater

[@martinkehoe4034]

Cheat can't help himself.

[@victorlahti1353]

He’s the worst just keeps cheating on any way

[@gr8dfender742]

Clown

[@phukit5456]

Why am I watching this? Boring!