Elden Ring: Shadow Of The Erdtree - Difficulty Complaints Lead To Difficulty Nerfs

Shadow of the Erdtree has just given players a significant buff for large portions of the game after complaints about difficulty. Good? Bad? Why did this happen with From, of all places?
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[@evancaruso3933]

so what youre telling me is that i beat pre-nerf radahn a second time

[@nothingisawesome]

I was trying to make it to him pre nerf. Oh well, got close

[@HugoSanchez-yy2qt]

Bosses did not get nerfed

[@liquidrufus]

Glad I beat him this time. Had to face the nerfed version in base. Edit: oh he wasn't nerfed the player was buffed.

[@LeviathanScream]

It's not that big of a difference. With all scadu tree upgrades it's a 5% increase from what it was pre patch. Mostly the change is the damage and def increase from the scadu fragments is now front loaded at max upgrades it's not that much different.

[@buddaflyfx]

@@nothingisawesome you could turn off internet connection to avoid the update.

[@chewychewbacca203]

When radhan jumps in the air, honestly just run as far away as you can and don't turn back, I ran all the way to the side and he missed me.

[@Jdawgshawty]

This is what I did as well. The explosion hits like 90% of the arena lol

[@MCUSkooter]

I had to save my bubble tear just for that move on my winning run

[@davidleslie5415]

Yeah the meteor is easy just run away

[@spookynomnoms6751]

WTF

[@esincorporated6123]

So it has a range limit huh.

[@cooper2211]

After grabbing more of them. The only fight that i don't care for design wise is radahn's 2nd phase which is a bit much visually speaking.

[@SifGreyfang]

There is a lot thats being thrown at you. What I find ridiculous are his after image attacks

[@Epiousios18]

Totally agree. I think the boss design is better in the DLC than the base game overall, especially many of the late-game bosses.

[@pocketpheonix9573]

The image attacks are mostly just for show though, same as the AoE effects on every attack, his moveset is the same, and if you dodge just that, the light is pretty much never hitting

[@ryan5412]

IMO i think the map design is what hindered me the most. Now i mean the actual map you pull up. it was so hard to look at a section and be like this connects to here so if i search this area i'll find the path. This made finding fragments hard. once you find the paths exploring is great.

[@r_noodle9470]

A big help for me during Gaius and Radahn was a shield with the "Vow of the Indomitable" ash of war. Your character stands completely still but you also get 2 seconds of complete invulnerability. It's a very generous window for avoiding those full arena explosions and the ridiculous hitbox on Gaius's charge attacks.

[@friendlyneighborhoodcollec5928]

Actually a good tip

[@SuperRamos619]

Commander Gaius forced me to use a shield. The inconsistentcy of getting hit by the charge attack while dodging was driving me insane.

[@danilthorstensson8902]

Raptor of the Mists and Bloodhound step are also great

[@e1xgaming481]

The people I'm watch facesmashing this game with no concept of understanding builds or having some weird mindset of not summoning or using spells is wild. Handicapping yourself and then complaining its too hard is CRAZY.

[@CBTR21]

Bro it's driving me completely insane

[@iKentine]

If my understanding is correct the real issues only came up on the higher NG+ tiers, like 5 and above. I've heard people saying the regular NG playthrough is nothing too hard, and subsequent early NG's like 1-3 don't make it too unbearable. It seems they should just have toned down the scaling a bit at the higher NG levels and left things as they were for the earlier ones so people could still enjoy a substantive challenge.

[@DigitalHaze65536]

Even in their base games the higher NG+ levels are stupid hard. The thing they get you with is stagger......as in the bosses don't and you do too easily.

[@SH1NK1R01]

Mathematically almost nothing changes in to ng + 1. It mostly just smoothes the beginning to be like the end in difficulty so it will feel the same if you clear and jump straight in. Ng+ 3 is where the enemy defense scaling starts to get a little unfair.

[@pocketpheonix9573]

I just don't see how difficult NG+ is a reason to complain, the game tells you this and if you start new content in that cycle it's just your own fault, I specifically made a new character for my first run through the DLC to avoid this exact problem, now ive played it once and can easily say, Radahn isn't as hard as Malenia even, most bosses are perfectly fine if you spent time lesrning them instead of doing thr exact same every try and then raging about not beating it. Can't dodge a move for an hour? Have you tried not just rolling? Jumping maybe? Running to a certain direction? Rolling into the attack instead of to the side or away from it? I see people trying to dodge Radahns meteors by rolling every fucking attempt when all you need to do is run to the right, in second phase keep running until all the phantom hits came out and then dodge roll the last hit where he comes back himself. And I've found this out by TRYING, not even looking up a guide. People are so stubborn and blame the game

[@benis2818]

​@@pocketpheonix9573I can't decide tell if Radahn is harder than malenia or not. I'll preface this by saying 70% of the time I'm using a colossal sword/weapon. Radahn seems quite difficult to do hitless and while I've never done it with Malenia, I've to rl1 runs done beating her,(first one taking like 10 hours, second one about 20 attempts) so the experience gap may be the reason. After 2 years, I find it funny to say that Malenia in her own sense is a fair fight, but Radahn doesn't feel as forgiving with colossal weapons.

[@pocketpheonix9573]

@@benis2818 But no one forces you to play with only colossal weapons, and even then, I've also beaten the fight like that. Hitless? No. But beating a fight hitless has always somewhat required specific builds around that that are optimized, I'm sure it's possible, definitely but just a lot harder. And no, he's overwhelming because he's new, people don't realize that just because they know all the bosses in the main game, they'll breeze through the DLC. I was humbled too

[@ErasMcras]

there are like 10 builds that are op just from the dlc if not more its so wild that they caved

[@AJG7304]

NG+ difficulty was NEVER a factor in DS3 or DS1 of BB for me. NG+ to me has always felt easy. like a victory lap after all the suffering. this is all the suffering with no victory lap

[@thereisnospoon7054]

They didn’t lower difficulty like the click bait is so ridiculous

[@silverwolf2761]

I feel like a few things contributed to this: - people didn't level up enough scadutree fragments - people returned to the game who hadn't played in awhile and expecting to be gods. Muscle memory needs time to come back - people changed builds for new stuff - surprise surprise, different build means you have to learn new stuff - people don't understand damage mitigation I feel the game is fine. I don't mind them lowering difficulty for first few levels so people can get into the dlc. I'm no Souls expert and have managed so far

[@NoYesMaby]

The DLC doesn't do a good job of telling you what exactly the tree fragments are doing. I can see how many I've used but not what effects they are giving me like with a traditional level system. That might be why people don't know how important they are.

[@CrucibleOfHate]

If you open your status page you'll see stats in yellow, buffed by the blessings. If you go back to the lands between they should be in white again, and not higher than normal. That's what the fragments do.

[@richardjamesIII]

Scadutree fragments ARE the leveling system. Without them it's basically a lvl 1 run. They've made that pretty clear I don't understand how people are missing it.

[@zachhall624]

The casuals( and I don't mean that negatively) hurt themselves by looking up builds for vanilla on KZbin that were op, they don't understand core mechanics and how to increase defenses and other core mechanics like dodging or learning how to learn a boss's moveset. Thus when the difficulty raised in the dlc they were shell-shocked then blamed the game not themselves.... they used cheese op builds for vanilla and likely were met with 0 resistance so they never had to engage in core mechanics and concepts of a souls game.

[@aaronhumphrey3514]

I get it. Those early fragments before the first major boss don't have much impact which makes it feel pretty bad. Even with this buff the DLC is still going to be very hard for most people.

[@jayemdaewarehouse9027]

After I ran into Commander Gaius, I was hard stuck. I was Scadutree Blessing lv 4, though, so after an hour I went off and fought some other bosses. I found a few new pieces of tech and reached Scadutree lv 9, want back and he was a joke. There are weapons and abilities which can three shot some bosses. I don’t believe the patch is necessary, but if the reception is that rough it is what it is.

[@esincorporated6123]

That Monster was nerfed? Radahn is still overtuned then and it still effects the games performance. I can't imagine how ridiculous it was prior.

[@bonefat21]

I saw “calibration” when they tweeted out the patch notes and got so scared, but what they did is pretty minor and I’m alright with it. Honestly I’m loving this DLC so much. I really don’t understand how people are “getting one-shot” unless they’re running like 20 vigor.

[@urazz7739]

That or they have few scadutree blessing levels. I think a lot of people don't like being forced to explore just to increase their level.

[@stevemichael652]

I cheated Radahn by using bleed poke behind wall and I feel kinda bad bc it was an underwhelming win however i also know my limits and going the other non cheese route would’ve been on a golden throne sitting right next to impossible. Sometimes FSW shows no mercy, and Radahn is one of them. Only other time I couldn’t solo a boss or not use cheese was Midir. So Radahn and Midir are the two that will elude me

[@urazz7739]

Exactly what I did. Though I did toss out a few long-range incantations at Radahn when he was out of range.

[@Zhiroc]

I'm never going to play a Fromsoft game because frankly I don't play games to overcome challenges. I really don't feel joy overcoming a tough fight. Just like with Destiny's legendary campaign, I feel mostly a sense of relief that I got through it. I'd probably have just played on story mode if it wasn't for the gear you get that means less grinding later. In particular, I frankly lack the reflexes to play any game at a high level, and I particularly am bad at dodging and parrying, which means I avoid most melee focused games as well. I couldn't even complete the Witcher 3's parrying tutorial all that well.

[@SaintKines]

Why would you even try a Fromsoft game in this case?

[@blakefenslerjr4858]

So you play games for fun but no challenge? Wtf 😂

[@seanshankredemption1603]

Problem is that many Elden players never played a FromSoft game and expected this to be cake walk with their level 200 sorcery build. Elden allowed you to play without actually learning the mechanics. Rolling in particular.

[@Monkey-gr5ni]

The only problem I've had so far is radahans second phase. Some of the moves are very bright and make it hard to see which makes finding the timing to dodge his attacks is pretty tough

[@adammauer6424]

I only struggled a bit early on when I didn’t have the scad frags . But ya right around lvl 13-14 I started melting 90 percent of the content . That last fight though oooof . It’s not even beatable for me at rank 19 scad . Radahn just eviscerates you in the second stage that fight will give me nightmares for years 😂 . That said I’ve loved this dlc and I was actually pleasantly surprised my 300 plus character didnt just face roll it without some trial and error

[@AJG7304]

also paul read the room. people are pissed the NG+ is SOOOOOOOO over tuned. you have to make a whole new character just to do this dlc? i dont fucking think so. im simply on NG+1 and it was way more challenging that normal game

[@Fintastrophe21]

Significantly buffing? It says "Slightly"........

[@skyhunterrhythe5674]

I’m surprised they made buffs. I didn’t really experience these walls people were talking about, at least not to the extent of hours of wasted time. I’m currently at level 10 scadutree and the WORST boss encounter I had was Bayle, taking about 15 tries. That was largely due to me dying repeatedly trying to fumble with the summoning of the NPC to the fight however. So far though, while the fodder enemies seem a little more annoying, I haven’t had any boss encounters that I didn’t have down within 30 minutes save Bayle. Even Gaius only took me two tries once I realized all save one attack can be blocked with a shield as it all counts as physical. After that it was block, block, block, throw an attack as he slows down, repeat. I’m not playing on any sort of challenge, like I’m using spirit ashes and such, but even the bosses that don’t permit summoning (of which there are several) went down in a few tries. Truly I think anybody who avoided the scadutree system and went in thinking they’d solo every boss with rivers of blood are probably the ones crying. But like bro… YES if you don’t use a majority of the games systems then it will be harder but why do that? The fights are blatantly built for you to take everything you have, with some NPC quests even being contingent on you bringing them along for a fight. If you insist on being the lone caveman with a club and nothing else then yeah the fights will be harder. Just adapt and it’s literally fine. Also worth noting you can’t really have mimic tear carry you either. Most of these bosses, especially if you haven’t found revered spirit ashes, will roll a mimic tear just like they roll the player. My primary spirit ash of choice is the Dung Eater but several fights you have to pick your ashes carefully because they can get shredded just like you, no problem. Their only real purpose is to give you more breathing room.

[@kaetha1]

Didn’t feel like the difficulty was lowered to me! Shiiiid! I’m still having a hard time beating the flame giants! And there’s this one enemy in the Abyssal woods that you have to parry to kill it or it kills you every single time!

[@JRJMC]

I think because Elden Ring was many people's first From Soft game and coupled with the fact that Elden Ring was actually fairly approachable with the options it gave players to lower the difficulty with various gameplay options, I can understand how a lot of gamers are not onboard for what From Soft admits is their hardest iteration yet. That being said, I am one of those gamers mentioned above and I didn't buy the DLC cause i knew it wasn't my vibe. Not everything needs to be for everybody.

[@matthewknibbs7686]

Im ng+7 tye difficulty is fine they dont need to change anything i explore and compleat everything get my fragments along the way and then do main bosses after as to be ready and also not to soft lock the story lines/ missions. Honestly im glad they worked there magic and made it a new challenge for me, beets just running throught in god mode thats trivial and ill do that on the next run being ill have more fragments

[@Donovaneagle2098]

My big hope for the patch? Most of the easy to find weapons and spells outperform spells and weapons from bosses and are more FP expensive to boot.

[@hydrophobia936]

This happened with Ringed City too. Idk why they do this. It gets easier if you find the Scadutree Fragments. It's a hard game. People are supposed to get filtered.

[@netwatch7261]

Yeah, I couldn't imagine these fools playing the original zelda games lol games used to be really hard. Now devs treat people like they're retarded. Keep that hand holding to the other 90% of games.

[@aaron_aplin]

2:30 Nah man. Im level 170 and scadutree on character is at 7. Vigor is 65. Lion Dancer absolutely destroys me. 2 hits and im dead. Rellana beats my brains in. The stupid hippo obliterates me in 2 hits. Its over the top even for Fromsoft. And yes im running buffs and the shield talisman to "enormously reduce physical damage."

[@shanemoody529]

I wasn't getting 2-shot with level 4 scadutree levels and 60 vig on the lion so I call BS on this one.

[@aaron_aplin]

@shanemoody529 Nah man. Im absolutely dead serious. If he just slings that dirt on me where he spins around, its an insta kill. If he hits me with one of those quick lightning bolt throws and then hits me again before i can get a heal off, im dead.

[@shanemoody529]

@@aaron_aplin what are your talismans? Are you using things that decrease your DR?

[@aaron_aplin]

@shanemoody529 By DR do you mean damage received? Im using the shield talisman to enormously decrease damage taken. Twin turtle for quick stamina regen. One to raise strength. Cant remember the 4th talisman. Ill buff myself with incantations on top of that and still get rekt.

[@SaintKines]

Just like everyone else that's whining and ruining the game for everyone else because you have to have the game nerfed, this is your own fault. You refused to use a new game character and insist on using your new game plus plus whatever. And you're not about that life. Instead of admit this, you blame the game and there are just too many of you.

[@colbycharlton7259]

Flask upgrades felt better than the fragments becuse flasks are a reactionary item. They dont save you from getting 1 shot, thats your health and armor. This played into the optional world of elden ring that made it feel so good.

[@tomekk.1889]

As a non english speaking person it's really interesting how you guys have phrases like "not insignificant" or "not unlike" instead of just saying significant and like. People would look at me weird if I said "not unlike" in my language

[@benfawefwaeffwaefawfdekk2080]

Double negative is usually used if you want to say a point to disprove the negative but you also maybe dont approve of the positive version of the statement. Like if someone says "do you like this food" and you say "I don't dislike it", you aren't saying you like it necessarily, you're just saying it's not bad.

[@IAmPeterCole]

I believe it’s a way of saying a middle ground, like it’s not significant, but also not insignificant. Not unlike is more just a weird double negative haha

[@ndwknss]

It's simply a way of describing something in a different way. All languages are different. I am sure the same thing can be pointed out in any language.

[@YetiCoolBrother]

​@@benfawefwaeffwaefawfdekk2080 Best answer. In that example I'm saying I don't actively dislike it but I also am not necessarily a "fan" of it; I could take it or leave it.

[@FifyTheurn]

​@@benfawefwaeffwaefawfdekk2080 English teacher moment

[@itzzknighttime]

i know that us souls player hate nerf on some bosses, but look at the statistic , we are losing the battle here, there are too many complaints about boss difficulty, and those that complaint is a souls player as well, only not the type to do the hit less run, .. problem here is everybody think everyone WILL ENJOY a hurtless run, in reality, majority of souls player dont even go for that hit less high level gameplay .. And Fromsoftware need to see the graph and make their decision more balance for the community now..

[@wilfredwayne7139]

For me its more like them fixing a bug. 1 fragment or 19 i was still getting two tapped now i seem to be able to habe 3 or 4 im good with that.

[@js5869]

I get it but the whole tree fragments thing seem kind of annoying. I feel like there would be a better way to “balance” the dlc. Like it’s kind of disrespecting the time people took to level up.

[@nicholassmith8897]

I went in with a lvl 240 character and I've had nothing but fun. Sure it's difficult but that's kinda the point. It's been fun exploring trying to get new gear to be stronger and come back to beat bosses I couldn't previously

[@SaintKines]

Level 175 new game file and it's been business as usual

[@deadpelicanguy]

My complaint about the game is not about the difficulty. It's more complex than that. No my complaint is this: with all souls games, the DLC is where the game starts to wear out its welcome. I beat the Bloodborne DLC. After beating it, I never wanted to play it again. Sister Friede in Dark Souls 3 destroyed me countless times. When I finally beat her, I never wanted to play Dark Souls 3 again. My problem was not that it was "too hard." The problem was that it's such a slog that I never wanted to play it again. Elden Ring DLC is having the same effect on me.

[@jubei7259]

I'm playing it & gotta admit, it's magnificent but yeah, I do agree everything is a tad over tuned lol. I went in with my lvl 200 character after beating the base game & I'm still getting pretty much 2 shotted even with 60 vigour. I'm always loathe to complain about difficulty in From games though, because they are special & the challenge is part of that so I hope they don't nerf but I guess we'll see. I think it's important to note that a lot of these negative reviews on Steam are coming from Chinese players for some reason though?

[@SuperRamos619]

The patch is more of a nerf to exploring. As you dont need to explore every corner to get fragments, up to level 10, before the changes start equalizing more per level.

[@Tom-ec7nh]

I'm struggling with a lot of enemies because I'm not too good. But so far I'm getting through it & really enjoying the dlc.

[@deltacosburrito9214]

I just beat radahn the other day. Took me a few tries but I finally did it. Feels good

[@KB-ql8cx]

I played the whole DLC up to the final area with 11 scadutree fragments with no big issue and I’m as potato. My character is a 160 strength greatsword. I didn’t feel the need to farm more fragments until the last area.

[@SaintKines]

Same

[@colvamoon6962]

Guys, nothing got nerfed. They mainly changed the increase in rate of power for the early Scadutree blessings. The only 'buff' that was given would be at the end, where the new lvl 20 now has a 5% damage increase compared to before, and a 1% defense increase.

[@Kpelkey44]

Fragments don’t affect base game levels or bosses

[@AccuracyBeast]

The DLC mainly consisted of bosses doing spinning moves that are difficult to avoid but still doable. Messmer felt like he was Malenia and Radahn with the fast spam attacks he deals and the Bud boss i would also say was similar. The dickhead riding around on a horse from the trailer really pissed me off. But there is another boss riding something that would spam you and get you in a corner if you weren't already dead. Tried to make this comment spoiler free

[@Superb_Legend]

Fk hadn't got around to playing yet.

[@julioramirez8179]

FUCK, I left my ps5 in rest mode, hope it doesnt auto-update the game, Im not a coward

[@stevenboddy4232]

I think people are forgetting, the DLC is either you're about to become a vessel or already are. The end boss mentions in dialogue; "lord of the old order"--you're fighting gods for christ sake lol

[@sikevillain]

Interesting.. i fought and already defeated Divine beast & Renalla which were pretty insane. Im on +5 on the scadutree so far and been liking the system so far.. but at first seeing your level 200+ character get 2 or 3 shotted is definitely a shocker tho lol 😆

[@NerdyBoiQuan]

I beat pre nerfed consort Radahn with fists I am proud of

[@SH1NK1R01]

I found 40 of 50 before a guide. And those were all in hidden areas that I just didn’t know existed. While I agree that a guide is likely needed for most people to get to blessing 20. I also think people just aren’t trying and could get to 10 easily before finishing shadowkeep.

[@SaintKines]

I got 10 levels worth without even trying so can confirm

[@Bill-e-Goat]

The fact that they made the change tells us that they made it too hard and they lost way too much of their player base too quick

[@Brusilnik]

When he turns into a comet, jump on your horse and sprint away. Worked for me, unless they changed it. Can do most of the fight on your horse, summoning help and letting everyone else do the work lol

[@patyolo9627]

About that: Spoiler He's not talking about the base game Radahn, no steed summon here.

[@Brusilnik]

@@patyolo9627 ah. OK. Haven't played the dlc yet.

[@tonyjung3967]

The complaints are ridiculous and overblown. I am at lvl 300 at NG+4 and yes it is very challenging but have not hit any particular “wall”. As a From veteran this has been par for the course with all their DLC, and this has been the most accessible From game I have ever played, way kinder than their other souls games.

[@RH1812]

My understanding is it updates if you go online in multiplayer. But hey, same story every time

[@Manbat440]

Meanwhile there's me who doesn't even wanna use the fragments as I just want the challenge. That's the whole point for me a challenge.

[@aaron_aplin]

What does Radahn have to do with the scadutree system? I thought scadutrees only apply in DLC.

[@colem6741]

Well at least I beat bayle before this

[@comrade_snarky]

No offense, Paul, but this extremely speculative. You are making assumptions (without any apparent evidence) about the scale of the adjustment (and it is an adjustment--they basically front loaded the leveling curve a bit but left the ultimate power level unchanged). And you're further assuming without evidence that this has anything to do with complaints. There are always balance passes post launch (remember vanilla Radahn?). Given that launch was a week ago, this was almost certainly already in the pipeline before the public even had the game in their hands.

[@ethana.kaknes6014]

They didn't actually nerf anything they just lowered the required amount of scadur tree blessings for the higher bonuses so that it's less linear and more all over the place

[@ethana.kaknes6014]

Also personally I went into the dlc at Lv452 and it was fun but definitely over tuned until you take a minute and look around for the blessings.

[@antmik3]

I think the final boss is a bit over tuned specifically phase 2 (and before you ask my scadutree blessing is at 20) I don’t think it’s unfair or impossible but his move set is just insufferable in phase 2 and not to mention you can barely even see when he’s attacking due to all the visuals going on from his other attacks that he’s using at the same time as a basic melee chain. I beat all the bosses up until him in a pretty fair amount of tries Mesmer, Midra, and the hog rider being the tougher ones and I’ve currently spent a total of 8 hours on Radahn over the course of the past few days and I can barely even land an attack in his second phase before I die

[@antmik3]

Just wanna add I’m on NG+1 and that may be a factor but from what I’ve heard NG+1 doesn’t really scale the difficulty too much higher than a normal playthrough

[@KinkShamer]

yeah miquellas stupid lasers are what make it hell for me

[@fo0za954]

love fromsoft games and soullike genre in general, but i think this dlc is overtuned way too much. Especially radahn was just hard for the sake of being hard. Pretty dissapointed in this DLC and I have no desire to ever touch it again.

[@yvindvego9404]

what is it with souls fans raving about the games being hard and hardcore, calling people who dont like the games for casuals or needing to git gud, while at the same time crying about the game being too difficult and not playing exactly like dark souls 3.

[@Keyawnce]

No way you just casually spoiled the final boss ….

[@Keyawnce]

“Radahn is the exception” oh gosh I wish you cared about spoilers it’s only been a week

[@The_Real_Iggy]

we love paul tassi clickbait thumbnails lmfao

[@SaintKines]

90 percent of the bitching is from people who insisted on using their new game plus characters and or ignored the fragments.

[@Rudeuslul]

Bosses don’t get nerfed they just made earlier lvls of the Scadutrees better overall its only a .5 buff at lvl 20 relax everyone

[@shinkenrock]

When radhan does meteor just run as far away as you can from the spot he jumped.

[@glenmcl]

You can dodge roll through it. I did it on my win.

[@shinkenrock]

@@glenmcl way less consistent

[@chefonfire3647]

So glad I beat it before the patch so I got the intended experience. Hard but fair

[@Mavuika_Gyaru]

It's literally the same experience

[@chefonfire3647]

@@Mavuika_Gyaru not according to the changes it makes the first half easier. I need to look into the hard numbers, but based on my early tests I would say it makes the early game about 10-15% easier

[@Mavuika_Gyaru]

@@chefonfire3647 it's still the same experience. Oh man, lion dancer is slightly easier I guess. You're still getting the same clapping from Radahn

[@chefonfire3647]

@@Mavuika_Gyaru its makes every boss before the Shadow keep easier, 3 legend bosses 6 greater bosses, and 10 side bosses. not including the hordes of enemies around them. + the last boss should be clapping you. Its literally a Prime Radahn (the guy that stopped the stars and had to be nerfed in the base game because he was hard then) and Miquella a newly born god. And all I said is "I was glad I got to beat it before any nerfs." Me, my opinion I am happy. If other people need to have the game made easier to play, good for them. My only wish was for a fix on the hit box of that stupid pig if they where going to change anything. GIT GUD

[@Mavuika_Gyaru]

@@chefonfire3647 literally only lion dancer got easier and it's only slightly. You're just wrong, it's the same experience

[@anthonyrobinson9887]

Commander Gaius is a bullshit overtuned boss. So is the golden hippo. Nerf that shit just a little!

[@mortalexo103]

No.... please

[@Luminary2024]

I think there's a toxic crowd within the souls community that thinks calling a hard game yields bragging rights. However, they do not acknowledge if its too oppressive it's insufferable and undesirable. Striking a balance is essential. Also, from an outsider's perspective this sounds like this was just bad game design and what they fixed was unintuitive game design as opposed to making it easy mode now.

[@brandenpedersen5127]

The hard game DLC for the hard game by the hard game guy famous for making hard games was hard. Fucking shocker

[@rubenmenendez9783]

he said the line boys, time to get gud again

[@jfern0927]

Smfh insane. This is truly a new low for gaming. Giving into the players that have zero patience or skill to play a game like this. Bunch of babies.

[@frankallen3634]

I've never liked any souls game and ring has changed nothing to me. But I get nothing from beating a game, it's a hobby not a lifestyle

[@Mavuika_Gyaru]

You can find a fragment immediately and now that 1 fragment gives a 10% buff. The change doesn't make the game easier overall, just the early parts. By the time you reach Radahn you'll have maybe 15 to 18 blessings and he'll still clap your cheeks post patch

[@J0YSTTIICK]

Really don’t need a guide if you explore everything. Maybe the last few

[@kreadapelu8813]

Yeah… the whiners just don’t explore. Like… you get overpowered for the boss of a legacy dungeon by exploring the whole area before the boss.

[@MrJblazini]

Im.not trying to be a true Elden Lord. I use everything I can to win, and Im having fun with the game as is.

[@syminite1]

People are so damn sorry, think life owe them shyt, cant work hard for nothing.

[@MajinOkabe]

People dropped the game for too long and aren’t used to it anymore. You can’t come back after not playing for months or years then expect not to get rocked. The whiners ruin everything again. This won’t be the first adjustment patch, I guarantee that. It’s not that hard. It’s a skill issue.

[@postmortem1547]

Sad! Asmongold showed how to in a recent video to get around the difficulty. . .stop dodging. Tank up with a shield and spear and whatever armor and rings Asmongold was using.

[@TattooEvilution]

dude out here casually spoiling final boss name out of nowhere.

[@thebestpilot7]

I am fine with the difficulty, but the scadutree system is terrible. As someone who tries their best to stay on level or below for bosses I have absolutely no clue how high of a rank i should have. In the base game by doing nearly any side content I can be ready for the next main area. In the dlc there is no real structure to how you get fragments. Generic looking smoke man with a pot over his head isn’t a good indicator. The in-game cross map is serviceable but some are still off on their own away from even the side content. The whole point of side content is that it is largely optional. It should not be the main way i improve my damage.

[@shanemoody529]

I never really sought out fragments, just did my own thing. Ended up at level 9 by the time I reached mesmer (skipped castle ensis by accident and backtracked after reaching the Radahn fight), bee lined to Romina and Enir Ilim before killing most of the bosses in the DLC. Am still at level 9 with only Radahn and Bayle left with 16 fragments in my invent. If I feel like I need to be a bit stronger I can just level a bit. The system really is fine.

[@2ScoopsPlz]

I'm one of the players that think the dlc is too hard. Difficulty that's just extremely long combos where each attack takes half your hp is imo lazy, unfun, and I believe that it pushes players into using specific builds and various "cheese" strats, which I believe is objectively bad design. The complete absense of damage phases on some of these main bosses is the main culprit I think. I should not be thinking to myself "Damn, I got greedy" for trying to hit 2 light attacks after the boss finishes a 13 second long combo. That pushes players into using builds that can maximize those very, very brief damage windows.

[@vibrent1]

I've spent 30+ hrs exploring and finding scadutree fragments. Only beat 1 main boss. I wonder if you are just rushing the boss fights when you could be exploring more first? Also I don't know about cheese builds. But just adjusting my build and accessories was plenty good to beat the twin swords boss, mainly equipping a magic and fire deduction accessory. I also used a new spirit ash summon leveled up to max. Are you using summons?

[@crabbypatty10fefrefe]

The only patch the game needs is a PERFORMANCE PATCH

[@RubedoURTV666]

I agree with you. I couldn't get the dlc until next week. Kinda feel I'm getting robbed out of the initial experience :).

[@robclay2065]

ppl cry to much, i was truly enjoying the difficulty, ppl dont take the time to learn the game, explore, and try new things. very disappointing

[@nathanjones8667]

I’m confused, is Radahn in the DLC?

[@AJG7304]

also "you think" says it all. even with the fragments it made next to no difference in the fights for me at all. in NG+1 with a level 264 character

[@Actualchristianity]

Come on Paul just say it. We know that answer is git good lol

[@khonsux5240]

Players are trash. Get Good Man.

[@nappy6806]

Great from software is getting “casualfied”

[@alejandrocarralero2826]

Bro it's still super difficult, just not unfair

[@nappy6806]

@@alejandrocarralero2826 the game was never unfair it’s literally a genuine skill issue

[@Metal4ever69]

I would feel so embarrassed if I complained about the game being too hard and then Fromsoftware changed the game 😂

[@mackncheese1683]

Why? That is what you would have wanted.

[@Metal4ever69]

@@mackncheese1683 I wouldn’t want to be responsible for pissing off an entire community becuase of not having reading comprehension and common sense. Luckily Fromsoftware found a nice balance between helping people who are bad at the game while not ruining the challenge for everyone else and I appreciate them trying to find a solution for everyone

[@darioagustinmoralestoranzo8007]

Casuals are ruinning this game, just play something else

[@user-gs2jg7fr9e]

What a bunch of crybabies.

[@itachi975x]

I beat the dlc on my NG+8 character I had a really difficult time in most of the areas but I still really enjoyed it and I’m ok with change they made to the fragments it’s still a option to use for the really hard core players because the bosses or game itself didn’t get nerf