Christian vs SATAN's GUIDE TO THE BIBLE (feat Brady Goodwin)

[@SevenOfNineteen]

The Christian: "How can you worship Satan?" The Satanist: "I don't. Satanists don't typically believe in a literal Satan. It's a metaphor." The Christian: "Well, then what do you call people who do believe in a literal Satan?" The Satanist: "Christians."

[@Lotanna20]

😂😂

[@TheMilitantMazdakite]

Yeah, I, as a Zoroastrian, actually interpret ahr*man as a metaphor, too. Just as a metaphor for things such as greed, hatred, and other harmful "thoughts" for lack of a better term.

[@ancientflames]

@@TheMilitantMazdakitewhy do you choose to subscribe to Zoroastrianism of all things. Just for fun?

[@thesuitablecommand]

I love this. If you believe in Satan, unless you divorce the idea from the rest of the Bible for some reason, you're Christian. If Satanists genuinely believed in Satan, they'd be a subset of Christianity.

[@TheMilitantMazdakite]

@@ancientflames I actually am a former New Atheist. I converted to Zoroastrianism because of it's emphasis on your actions over ritual and prayer, and is liberal and egalitarian. I chose Mazdakism specifically because it A). Takes the anti-ritualism above and beyond, making worship entirely optional, B). teaches absolute equality and the abolition of social and economic classes, and was actually the primary factor in me going from being a liberal to being a communist, and C). teaches ethical hedonism, and even allows "free sex, provided the woman agreed to it". We have the oppisite views on sex that rush limbaugh did. (May he suffer in the House of Lies (Hell) for eternity)

[@ProphetofZod]

“God didn’t want people to sacrifice their children. He just wanted to make sure they were the kinds of people who were capable of sacrificing their children.” Mike’s such a serious person. 🤣🤣🤣

[@Paulogia]

🤣

[@amy_pieterse]

Still at the beginning of the video and saw this comment. Damn. Holy shit. If Mike says that then that is not the win he actually thinks it is. If a person can get you to the point where you are capable of sacrificing your kid or any kid for that matter, then that person/god/deity is a fncked up monster. Can Mike really not hear what he is saying?

[@chameleonx9253]

​@@amy_pieterseI'm pretty sure he's a sociopath, so he probably does and just doesn't care.

[@smugwendigo5123]

Isn't like,,, most of christianity based around god sacrificing his one and only son (who is human but also god himself) to himself?

[@bruceblosser384]

The story of Abraham and Isaac is a story about the end of human sacrifice! It is very plainly stating that this practice did occur, but Yahweh has changed his mind about this practice!

[@victorhiggins2118]

An apologist whining about propagandists is a microcosm of modern culture.

[@GameTimeWhy]

Yeah I'm surprised steam didn't come out of his ears and his head didn't spin around with all that apologizing.

[@DigitalHayds]

Agree although the Xi Jinping thing is comically lame. Super annoying how, almost without fail, atheist creators spend so much time taking down religious propaganda and then turn around and lap up political propaganda. Almost like if it’s not religious it doesn’t count.

[@GameTimeWhy]

@@DigitalHayds non sequiturs are fun.

[@DigitalHayds]

@@GameTimeWhy if you’re saying my point doesn’t follow, could you clarify where from?

[@DigitalHayds]

@@GameTimeWhy because for one thing I wasn’t trying to connect two premises and for another it takes less than 5 seconds on Google to find that the “ban on Pooh” thing is straight up western propaganda 🤷‍♂️

[@Rhewin]

When I started exploring Biblical scholarship, I also asked why we aren’t up front with people. I was told some people’s faith isn’t strong enough yet. I’ve always believed that if you have to hide things, there’s a problem.

[@PeteOtton]

Which is the exact opposite to science. Where if you don't show your work you are not allowed to publish. And then it is gone over with a critical eye to discover any flaws in the testing.

[@dracocrusher]

"Our book is wrong and you need to make people believe in it before they can know it's inaccurate" No wonder they don't want people to hear this.

[@Dreams_Of_Lavender]

Sounds exactly like the reason why Scientologists don't tell you the Xenu story until you've already sunk a ton of money and time into the organization.

[@longbeardbobson4710]

The people who are not being 'up front' are the ones whose faith is not mature enough to be able to explain things clearly.

[@dracocrusher]

@@longbeardbobson4710 No, they're the ones who have self awareness. Because they know if they say "Jesus expected the end times in his generation", then that's a controversial statement. So people would leave. Because the mythologizing of Jesus is too important for him to be wrong about something like that, right? It's not the explanation, it's what they're actually saying. That's why preachers have to keep spinning stories to BS messages out of them and using all these weird rhetorical tricks, because if they just explained the truth of what The Bible says and gave it to people in clear straightforward terms then it wouldn't give people the messages they want to hear.

[@OpenMind4U2C]

When I was at Church I wasn't only being kept in the DARK about the consensus of scholars. I was being told the Disciples wrote the gospels and that the bible is true because of prophecy, I was taught the bible was historical fact. SO ANGRY

[@baran1170]

When did you leave christianity?

[@jwmmitch]

I grew up in catholic school where it was much the same. The beginning of my deconversion was finding out how much of what I was told was historical fact, was actuality lies

[@utubepunk]

​@@Daniel-mw7pubut why though?

[@GameTimeWhy]

​@@Daniel-mw7puwhy would you believe in resurrection?

[@totalspoof8344]

That's what Voddie baucham says. The gospels are historically accurate,the gospels are historically accurate,repeat after me the gospels are historically accurate. He drills in their heads something that can't be shown to be true. I think if the prachers I had were a little more honest about the claims,I probably would still be a christian. Things didn't make sense and to be a better christian I went and looked at what the new testament scholars say.

[@LyleFrancisDelp]

Why don't pastors tell their congregants about these "bible secrets"? And if they do, then they say, "if you know this and still believe, then you're a "mature" christian." Well, it's obvious. Their jobs depend on people believing this stuff. With every generation, more and more people are leaving the church, and so very many churches have shut their doors in the past 30 years. It's just a matter of time.

[@chameleonx9253]

By "mature Christian," they mean someone so deeply invested in the faith that they'll accept pretty much anything to avoid losing it.

[@LyleFrancisDelp]

@rboland2173 Exactly!

[@davidmeehan4486]

I kinda want to buy a deconsecrated church and convert it to be my home.

[@enoynaert]

I did not get a full theology degree, but I did take graduate level seminary courses from a liberal institution. Not only did we learn "Bible secrets," we also learned how to present the information in a faithful manner. For example, we learned that the story of Moses and the Exodus were not historical. But then we were taught how to present it. Focus on the moral lessons, and don't present it as historical facts. We were told to cherry-pick the moral lessons and lie by omission on the historicity.

[@magicker8052]

It makes Christianity a much more powerful position if the OT is treated as a morality play.. and stupid if treated as history

[@aazhie]

In my experience, i have much fewer issues and complaints with thise who see it as fiction to tell morals. Even though I take issue with plenty of those morals, I can appreciate Greek morality like Aesop's Fables and Grimm's Fairy Tales in a simialr manner. It's when folks want to argue that all the "holy relics" around the world are all real and that a real man died and came back to life and was alien tractor beamed into heaven. I would have the same issues with someone who insisted a fat German Saint was invading all our homes and leaving presents for free, while my parents have receipts and bank records for every single item they signed as "From Santa Claus" ​@@magicker8052

[@ProfessorToadstool]

the possibly real story of moses is deep and fascinating, but probably all allegory

[@PeteOtton]

@@magicker8052 Huh? The god it depicts is the antithesis of moral.

[@magicker8052]

@@PeteOtton sure there is a lot of that but that is worse if you take it literally their best bet is to treat it as a collection of stories about the human condition.. good and bad.

[@internetizmyhome]

18:22 "Jephthah blew it - that's the thing. They show no text in scripture anywhere that suggests that God was favorable towards this, wanted Jephthah to do this, was ok in any way." How about from Paul's own mouth in Hebrews 11? Paul praises his heroes from the old testament, wrapping it up in verses 32-34 with "And what more shall I say? Time will not allow me to tell of Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, David, Samuel, and the prophets, who through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, and gained what was promised; who shut the mouths of lions, quenched the raging fire, and escaped the edge of the sword; who gained strength from weakness, became mighty in battle, and put foreign armies to flight."

[@GameTimeWhy]

Yeah at this point it has to be malicious lying from apologists like winger.

[@violeth2255]

Of course YHWH was favorable toward the sacrifice. If he weren't, he could have sent an angel to Jephthah to stop the sacrifice and explain that the god of Abraham desires not the sacrifice of human life in his name. He could have denied Jephthah victory so as to not have to collect on the sacrifice. He could have punished Jephthah after the sacrifice was done. YHWH could have have offered to let Jephthah's daughter dedicate her life to serving god and remaining a virgin (a common apologetic for this story that pretends the word used for sacrifice doesn't indicate "as a burnt offering"). And yeah, the Bible could have left Jephthah out of the list of righteous Jewish Patriarchs if YHWH really wasn't in favor of human sacrifice.

[@mnm8818]

(Amos 4;6+) this is God (he will inflict pain till you follow and worship him)

[@Julian0101]

@@violeth2255 It is not like there are other stories on the bible when if someone is going to sacrifice their own child for god, he himself appears and make clear the sacrifice is not necesary... right?

[@NA-vz9ko]

How about Jesus himself, God’s own son, the sacrifice of whom pleased God so much that it absolved All sin. Sounds like approval to me.

[@olavikaukamieli1314]

When a christian says you need to present both sides of the argument, laugh at their faces and ask if that is what they do when they preach and convert people. They claim it's propaganda when you argue against them and say you need to argue for them too, but if they did that, you wouldn't need to do it in the first place!

[@mnm8818]

true- and I get hyped up when they say context matters, cause clearly it works both ways... + context doesnt matter really, as there is no context or excuse for non belief. At the throne of judgement, God will not care for your context of your life... so Christians should be like God and not care about context

[@Julian0101]

@@mnm8818 My usual answer to the "context matter" is 'Sure, the context makes it worse... What? i cant say context changes the topic without elaborating? Ok then is your turn, how does context help you"

[@mnm8818]

@@Julian0101 mmm. context doesnt matter- Be like God, He will not care about your context of life if you can see it in 3rd person then thats one step to knowing yourself. why and how you believe truth is not sort after, but to keep ones own truth. seek ones own self and you will find

[@mnm8818]

@@Julian0101 to be clear, im atheist and my goal is to show believers their own mind, how and why they believe

[@PrometheanRising]

There is a concept of "rising to the level'. Sometimes, there aren't actually two sides. There is one side that is engaging with the issues and there is another side making noise to distract from it.

[@marthav.4654]

Mike doesn't like it when people mock him. This is strange, since he is so good at mocking others himself.

[@markhamstra1083]

Doing something a lot isn’t the same thing as being good at it.

[@zenkim6709]

As my dearly departed best friend Jeff used to say, "It's amazing how many people can't stomach what they dish out."

[@satyestru]

@@zenkim6709 Sorry about your friend. :(

[@Rosyna]

25:40 Reminds of how Kent Hovind, a strict bible literalist, handles Mark 9:1 by claiming the people that heard the statement are immortal and still alive until the prophecy comes to pass in 2027.

[@GameTimeWhy]

Only the handful of people that heard it gained eternal life? That's q funny and terrible apologetic.

[@guybrush1701]

Jesus Christ that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Why haven't they been running their mouths that they're the real deal ever since? Did they move to Argentina and hide out for the last 2000+ years? Edit: something this stupid doesn't surprise me coming from Kent. He's one of the dumbest apologists I'm currently aware of.

[@PeteOtton]

Mel Brooks? Yay! Long Live Mel!

[@bloggystyle]

One of the most profound questions raised in Plato among other philosophers is “Is it good because God chooses it, or does God choose it because it is good?”

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

Certainly, It is absurd to conclude the bible equals morality. The problem is christian's claim objective moral standards that are directly falsified by their own conflict on every moral issue Past and present.

[@ArneyJ-Brosausage80]

Theists claim the argument can be 'debunked' with a 3rd option: "Goodness is grounded in G0d's nature." This is circular to me because it poses another dilemma: "What makes/why is G0d good? And who decides it?" It's meant rhetorically because it's people deciding & I have no justified reason to believe them. It's only true to the one saying it, & it's not an objective fact, but a subjective opinion.

[@PrometheanRising]

​@AmyJ-Brossdard80 the choosing part is inessential to the point. What a hand-waving argument that the apologists are making there. All they are really doing is providing an opportunity to improve on the Euthyphro dilemma.

[@ArneyJ-Brosausage80]

@@PrometheanRising Yes. That's why it fails because if it were true, there's no reason to choose Another issue is especially regarding the bible & the horrific acts commanded directly by G0d. "You CAN'T judge G0d because his ways are higher than ours." They won't get it, but they sh00t themselves in the foot saying that. If you can't judge his actions as bad, then you can't judge him to be good either since you're still casting judgement, & if they say "That's different" then it's special pleading on their part.

[@PrometheanRising]

@@ArneyJ-Brosausage80 Right, saying 'his ways are higher' is a logical contradiction. They are claiming to know something that they are literally asserting that no one can know in the same statement.

[@DeludedOne]

That video has actually gotten more than one response from apologetics, I haven't watched any of them in particular but they really are taking it seriously. It seems to have ruffled a few feathers.

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

You've got the scholars speaking in their own words, Very hard to brush that under the rug.

[@PrometheanRising]

Apologists are in a bad spot right now because each time an apologist of clout lies online there is someone representing scholarship sitting at their keyboard ready to point it out. I think that religion might be in the process of getting reduced to only those who most want to blind themselves to reality. It is reaching a point where the religous have to buy into more and more ridiculous claims to maintain their faith.

[@brentwalker8596]

The Satan's Guide has Satan talking directly to children. Nothing could be more threatening and terrifying to a pastor than to put doubt into the minds of the next generation of his flock.

[@CharlesPayet]

@@PrometheanRisingon top of that, the number of out atheists on KZbin, IG, & TikTok are growing rapidly, and they’re forcing apologists to respond. But more and more Christians are seeing through those responses, because they can do exactly what Winger doesn’t - they can follow the thread of scholarship for themselves. Just think how many atheist KZbin channels have hit 25K, 50K, 100K, and up subscribers in the last year. Their growth is accelerating!

[@martinmckee5333]

I'm impressed (or maybe I just lack imagination). I didn't think Mike Winger could seem more arrogant and annoying, but he truly outdid himself on this one. His performative chuckling at the "honesty" of scholars particularly was the cherry on top of his condescending response. I do not like that man.

[@JM-us3fr]

I’m so glad Paul found that video! The difference between what’s taught in Sunday school and what’s taught is seminar is vast, and he presented that difference in such an intuitive way

[@polystrate1]

yup, and happens in academia as well

[@DBZHGWgamer]

@@polystrate1 tbf few teachers teaching middle school level curriculum have any idea what is being taught in academia, and most highschool teachers don't either. It's a bit different from knowing what's being taught and intentionally misframing.

[@polystrate1]

@@DBZHGWgamer I agree.

[@jeffreylehman1159]

@@polystrate1 How so.

[@polystrate1]

@@jeffreylehman1159 in the natural sciences, the layperson is pitched a much more positive and glowing version than what professors learn in the upper levels. The public is meant to believe that everything is kosher when many ideas are really in a state of limbo/chaos

[@timeshark8727]

Mike: 'He can't present only one side, only I am allowed to do that. Propaganda is bad when its not my side doing it!'

[@jaclo3112]

I find Mike's screeching and whining about propaganda hilarious when his entire job is an apologist for his christianism...the definition of a propagandist. "The Chinese government would approve". Even his own bible is a form of propaganda. He seems oblivious of this and more interested in poisoning the well by using "propaganda" as a pejorative.

[@sthed6832]

Somehow I bet that when he gives a sermon, he doesn't talk about the scholarship against what he is saying. What a hypocrite!

[@carsonfball4]

Also, it's the false balance logical fallacy. You don't need to present the other side if that side isn't credible.

[@Yoyojim1]

@sthed6832 Actually this is one of the reasons I really appreciate Mike. He will often present multiple points of view and and admit when he isn't sure about things. His videos are often long form and we are all busy so I understand not sitting thought to listen, but it is there.

[@NoahofWill]

@@Yoyojim1He "present" multiple points of view like a card shark deals hands. He's purposefully played them in a manner that is designed, by deliberation, to lose.

[@bengreen171]

the idea that the transfiguration is what was being talked about when Jesus said 'some of you will not taste death until... I mean what a weird thing to say? 'I'm going to show you something tomorrow - don't worry, some of you will still be alive then'.

[@kriegmesserdclxvi2833]

Yes, that requires at least 9.0 or higher mental gymnastics performance.

[@caffetiel]

​@@kriegmesserdclxvi2833 Romanian judge won't give you more than a 6.0

[@bengreen171]

@@caffetiel only if it isn't Nadia Comaneci.

[@larryscarr3897]

I'm having death chops for dinner... Tasty.

[@kriegmesserdclxvi2833]

​@@larryscarr3897I always assumed Death was just a skeleton under the robes. What else has he been hiding?

[@hailsagan8886]

The only thing worse than having an imaginary friend is having an imaginary enemy

[@AidenOcelot]

Babycakes from China IL be like:

[@RacingSnails64]

"Satan's greatest trick is convincing the world he doesn't exist."

[@Mayan_88694]

@@RacingSnails64 you have no evidence that the devil or god exist,

[@Mayan_88694]

@@RacingSnails64 provide evidence that your god and the devil are real, oh wait. You can’t, because you don’t have any

[@andrevaz1289]

​@@RacingSnails64 There's just one big issue, Satan didn't convince us that he doesn't exist, it's you Christians that didn't manage to convince us that he does exist. You know, due to lack of evidence and constantly repeating circular reasoning, non sequiturs and strawmans on science due to not understanding it and whatnot We're not convinced that the devil doesn't exist, we're simply not convinced that god, the devil, heaven, hell, souls or anything unnatural mentioned in the bible exists in the first place

[@misterdeity]

Boy, that Mr. Deity fellow is almost as sexy as Paulogia and Brady... almost! Thanks for the plug guys! I have a video plugging the Paulogia Gary Habermas video next month. We're engaged in a virtuous circle!!! Hope I don't get dizzy. Also, I knew nothing of icapod until now. Always excited to see more young, hip people like myself engaging with the excusegists! I'll be checking out that content soon! This was great!

[@ichapod]

"Virtuous circle" 😅 thx for that. As a Westminster grad, that hit the spot 🎯

[@BUDDYCB4]

Love you misterdeity!!!

[@Fade2GrayOG]

I've never understood the obsession with the empty tomb. Even as a Christian it never seemed like a particularly compelling point.

[@aazhie]

Same! I went to a very mellow church as a kid, no longer a believer. They were mostly about being nice to others, being a good person and making a positive impact on the world. I don't think people did NOT believe, but their priorities felt pretty grounded.

[@Petticca]

@Jgraypatt Whenever an apologist brings up “the evidence of the empty tomb” I seriously think it makes as much sense as saying “the evidence of platform 9 & 3/4” and expecting to be taken seriously. Imagine thinking it isn’t ridiculous to bring the “evidence” of “the empty tomb” up and expecting atheists to have to explain it. Seriously it would be like some demanding you explain the brickwall’s lack of magical doorway, at Kings Cross Station’s platform 9-10. And doing so because in this story, someone trying to keep Harry away from danger at school, sealed the entryway to the platform for the Hogwarts’ Express, so Harry & Ron used a magic, flying car instead.. So this plot point is now actually “evidence” of the magical plot point happening IRL. It is absolutely fkn absurd.

[@davidwilliams3397]

@@Petticca I would suggest the problem is that ones faith is made of a wall of bricks you can tolerate some of the bricks being pulled out of the wall and the wall will still stand but then some bricks affect the rest of the wall more. I think the actual historicity of the bible is one of those Bricks. 200 year ago biblical scholars of all persuasions would most probably argue that Moses, Exodus were history. now most biblical scholar say this is mythology & what you get is evangelical scholars clutching at straws. I think the retreat of faith and its replacement by facts & data is what Mike Winger is railing against. As with the other ppaulogia video regarding evangelical views on deconversion it is uncomfortable for Christians not having the playing field of ideas about the scripture to themselves & the idea biblical inquiry requires a predisposition of faith is justan 'excusigist' view of what is faith & what is genuine inquiry of the truth. in simple terms faith requires a lack of doubt for Mike it is the doubt that is the problem

[@bobstitzenberger1834]

It is VERY unlikely that Jesus would have been entombed. Crucified criminals were denied burial.

[@FoursWithin]

Well , for Christianity it's a pivotal point of theological ",evidence". Which drives the obsession. They have to clutch tightly to all the "evidence" they're spoonfed in order to suppress the doubts that will inevitably surface after the Jesus honeymoon period ends. Without an empty tomb the narrative claims their is no risen Messiah Just an ancient dead Jew and another dead myth.

[@mjjoe76]

So basically Mike Winger repeatedly said, “Nuh-uh! And you’re mean!”

[@Kyeudo]

Is it a day ending in Y?

[@PrometheanRising]

The number of times where he says some variation of 'this isn't new' while saying in his head 'we just haven't been telling you about it' is basically the theme of the entire video.

[@alexanderrichards239]

Why did he even make his video at all? The original already had Jesus whining "Nuh-uh! Satan is a mean liar." This Mike guy just wasted time repeating that.

[@PrometheanRising]

@alexanderrichards239 I think one reason that apologists make these videos is so that they can say that they have responded. Mike even does it in the video when he references another video about the book of Daniel. It doesn't matter to Mike that his excuses in that video are garbage, what matters to Mike is that he can say 'I addressed that in a video'. This creates a warm fuzzy feeling in his followers because they feel like the issue has been addressed and that they no longer have to worry about it.

[@gergelymagyarosi9285]

He's saying: I can think of ways that makes this story not impossible, so it must be true!

[@jaecat]

I still can’t get over the sheer audacity of *evangelical Christians* complaining that their critics “aren’t giving people both sides of the argument!” Jaw-dropping.

[@sacredcowdiner]

I'm glad to see that Brady made the transition into Paulogiaworld. Top shelf collaboration. 👍

[@authenticallysuperficial9874]

Welcome Brady! I really liked this guest appearance. I hope there's a chance for you to come again!

[@simonkoster]

Satan sure touched a nerve...

[@aazhie]

XD right? Got a lot of hit dogs hollerin

[@anttitikkanen5985]

69 likes

[@whizthesugoi]

he is the adversary, afterall

[@donuts7627]

Hell yeah, pun intended.

[@DarthRock]

​@@whizthesugoiaccording to.......???

[@Werezilla]

Did Mike Winger just spend the whole video going "Nu-Uh!"

[@brentwalker8596]

His feelings are definitely hurt. Lol.

[@MrDalisclock]

Pretty much

[@crzylkfx]

No

[@markloveless1001]

Why, yes indeed. Those that have ears, let them hear. Everybody else be a literalist.

[@markloveless1001]

@@crzylkfxSubstantiate your position.

[@SpaceLordof75]

The Satan’s Guide video is so, so good. Highly recommended. The felt art style hits home with my Sunday school memories. ❤

[@ritawing1064]

100%, like many, I started S's Guide, not imagining I would see it all, but watched it through, it's really good!

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

​@@ritawing1064Seen it six times and will surely watch it again.

[@hancocki]

I really was taken aback by the last minute twist at the end, but upon reflection, it is in line with how Christians behave.

[@guybrush1701]

Some of the kids creeped me out but yeah, I love the animation styles!

[@aazhie]

​​@@guybrush1701I liked that the kids seemed like a pretty good reflection of people I know. There's some folks I do not associate with because if Jesus told them to burn down the building with me in it, well, I wouldn't trust them to keep the Thous shalt not Kill commandment!

[@chrisbriggs2348]

Coming from Mormonism, the coverup is what drives people out! I was very good at mental gymnastics and had I not felt lied to, I probably would have stopped questioning just like with so many other issues.

[@squeakhawk01]

Yeah, that's what broke me. Years before I had defended the Book of Mormon against critics who said that Joseph had pulled the words for the Book of Mormon out of a hat. I chuckled and smugly explained about the Golden Plates and how he had translated off of those. I thought they were so silly to say such anti-mormon lies! I knew about polygamy, Joseph marrying other men's wives, Masonic influence in the temple ceremonies and a whooooole lot of other problematic issues. And I had been carefully indoctrinated to them all. But then I read the Gospel Topics essay admitting that Joseph used a seer stone in a hat to translate the Book of Mormon and I was absolutely done.

[@connorgrynol9021]

@@squeakhawk01 What objection can you make against polygamy that would disqualify all polyarmous relationships? If they are consenual, I don't see the problem. I could sort've see an special case were doing it with some else's wife would be okay, and that's if the husband has a cuck fetish and the wife, a cheating fetish. But I imagine those are extremely rare. And the thing about cults is that the followers will be okay with basically any leadership madate due to indoctrination. So I don't think religious groups are a healthy place to practice any of these things. A partner needs to be okay with refusing and relgion doesn't take rejection well.

[@loganleatherman7647]

@connorgrynol9021 Yeah, but how consensual could it have honestly been if the “prophet” of your religion wants your wife and the overarching idea is “what the prophet says goes!”?

[@connorgrynol9021]

@@loganleatherman7647 right, so the problem is not the behaviour but the cause of such behaviour. But the other comment framed the behaviour as problematic.

[@squeakhawk01]

@@connorgrynol9021 I would hope that given the context of my statement that it would be abundantly clear that I was referring specifically to the way polygamy was practiced by the Mormon church (and still is in fundamentalist offshoots such as the FLDS). In that case, as is the case with so many male dominated religions, it was practiced in a way that essentially stripped choice away from women and even men who weren't part of the patriarchal power structures. I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with polygamous relationships, per se, but I think it is way too easy to abuse such relationships if you live in a patriarchal society that values power over consent.

[@Heidi2003]

The Satans Guide video is sooo good. Share it with every deconstructer you know.

[@brandonwhitney7964]

22:59 I think a point commonly mentioned such as right here is a bit misunderstood by people like mike making it. From my (albeit small) knowledge of Philosophy, if all morals come from God, then morality is still subjective, the subject in this case being the proposed god

[@Boundless_Border]

Yep. And it baffles me how every apologist using the moral argument fails to notice this.

[@corvinredacted]

When I went and asked my pastor about these things, he also admitted that he knew, but chose not to bring those things up because it would sow confusion in the congregation. Before I left the meeting, he asked me not to tell anyone from the church what he had said.

[@williamwatson4354]

So Winger never requires Apologists to list both sides, but he insists the other side does.

[@loganleatherman7647]

Religious hypocrisy knows no bounds

[@TotalAnalyst2]

And Satan's Guide to the Bible did show both sides

[@TheFrizankie]

Thank you Paul! You were a huge part of my deconversion during lockdown. I appreciate your content and this video was no exception. Great stuff! Also appreciate the use of the Letterkenny clip. YEW!

[@vine1313]

I was in Bible School and learned these items, first year. This was one of the reasons I left, and so many of my former class mates did as well....

[@davidwilliams3397]

What I found scary is the majority of atheist are the ones that read the bible. If you have don't stuy it then you get all the good bits and none of the bad bits. As soon as you start reading it yourself and read it critically it falls apart. It is actually a really scary process because it is quite unexpected. It is like finding out your parents are mass murderers it really hit you straight in the the guts .

[@01Aigul]

Watching Mike Winger try to cope by laughing it off is pretty special.

[@01Aigul]

Also, Mike Winger thinks it's right to torture people forever for being gay, so I would say that his idea of "objective morality" is not as objective as he thinks.

[@ReapermanUK]

more like mike wingnut

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

I noticed a whole lot of laughing as well.

[@rsbaieba2632]

​@@01Aigul why? Christians believe that there is an objective morality made by God. God says homosexuality is a sin. The consequence of sin is death. Believing people who practice homosexuality will go to hell is not subjective according to Christianity. It would be in accordance with the Christian faith.

[@01Aigul]

@@rsbaieba2632 Only a subset of Christians believe that, although they feel entitled to speak on behalf of all other Christians. But yes I'm saying that Mike Winger's beliefs are wrong, and evil.

[@capitalistraven]

Satan's Guide was such an out of nowhere surprise. Incredibly well made though thanks to Paulogia most of it wasn't news to me😅

[@hackman669]

Why do cartoons make things for fun? 😊

[@UranusKiller]

I just watched "Satan's Guide To The Bible!" It was fantasic! Thanks & Cheers! 💖

[@ecpracticesquad4674]

I learned more about Christianity, Catholicism, and religion in general AFTER I stopped believing. My faith had always been shaky but I was told to believe anyway, lest I tempt eternal damnation. Channels like this have been invaluable to me and my own edification.

[@_shocked-face_]

Dang, I’m sorry that you didn’t have anyone to encourage you to dig into your faith. I knew a friend who, like you, had a church just tell him to “just believe” and became an atheist. He later tried church again (a new church) and found faith because they actually challenged him to research and evaluate his beliefs and faith. It stinks to have people with good intentions say, ‘have faith’ to do a bad job of helping others have faith. Rip

[@robertjimenez5984]

When I was a Christian, the pastor of my church had and I believe still has a program that what title “ Questions and answers “. Anyone could call and present their question. The questions were written and read by a lady and then the pastor will answer it. I called several times and presented my questions. But not once my questions were presented to the pastor. They purposely selected the questions for the program. Then one day I was attending a bible clase given by the pastor and he was teaching about the gospel of John. He said something about when John wrote the gospel and I ask him how old was John when he wrote the gospel. The pastor pause to think how he was going to answer my question. Then he said that John did not write the gospel, he dictated his story to someone that knew how to write. But never answered my question. In this moment I realize that he was lying. Then I ask about the others writers ages. He had no answer. Then I ask where are the originals kept and if we had access to them. As you can imagine I was making everyone uncomfortable, specially the pastor. But I was only curious. My curiosity expose the dishonesty and lies of this very known pastor. Today every time I hear a pastor or any preacher say that the gospel are gods words, all that crosses my mind is that they are liars. Sorry but Satan is wright. They are all liars.

[@Sumwhere-N-Between]

Did you ask God? It shouldn’t be shocking that some Christians don’t know the answer to all of your questions. Pray & ask the Almighty and read the Bible.

[@robertjimenez5984]

@@Sumwhere-N-Between yes let’s do that. Let’s do it right now. God if you are real show me that you exist. I’ll put it for you very easily. All you have to do is fill the blank with one word. _________________________ Please don’t embarrass Somewhere-N-Between. Just write what ever you wish in that blank space. Let’s see if you can at least write a single word. Remember god, if the space remains empty you will be considered to be not real.

[@Sumwhere-N-Between]

@@robertjimenez5984 “God says His wrath is revealed and y’all are without excuse” Romans 1:18-20 KJV 18 - For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 - Because they which may be known of God is manifest in them, for God hath showed it unto them. (Creation) 20 - 👉🏻For the invisible things of Him from creation of the world are clearly seen, 👈🏻being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal Godhead; so that they are 👉🏻without excuse.👈🏻 Romans 2:15 “Conscience bears witness” Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or excusing one another;) You don’t have to teach little kids to lie or misbehave. When they get caught they will sometimes lie because they don’t want to get into trouble. Their heart & conscience knows they did wrong. But we are all born sinners it dwells in the body of our flesh. But Jesus Christ kept & fulfilled the law for us, all God expects is for us to believe Him. Put our faith in His Son. It comes natural for us to believe in God, but through hurt, pain, rejection and other bad circumstances people blame God and get mad at Him. And focus on others instead of Jesus Christ!

[@Sumwhere-N-Between]

@@robertjimenez5984 KZbin deleted my comment. Ughhh. Read Romans chapter 1:18-21

[@markstyles1246]

I for one am looking forward to the Large Hadean Collider coming online and finding the goodon and its anti-particle the evilon. It will make objective measurements much easier!

[@shassett79]

Hopefully it will also find the force-carrying particle of the Apologetics Field or, as it is more commonly known, "the delusion bozo-on."

[@kriegmesserdclxvi2833]

Goodon ya. 😅

[@dougt7580]

Satan's guide to the bible sure did a good job of kicking the online apologetics hornet's nest.

[@erin6784]

And I will love it forever for that.

[@robind.phillips2129]

I thoroughly enjoyed this! I had to watch it twice. Thanks for sharing.

[@michaelsommers2356]

If Christians want equal time to respond to critics, they can start by giving atheists equal time in their pulpits.

[@war0nheaven]

well said, unfortunately it'll come down to the matter of the pastor's ego

[@ChristDiedForYou_liveforhim]

Makes actually no sense but sounds pithy so go off.

[@michaelsommers2356]

@@ChristDiedForYou_liveforhim I could say the same about your comment.

[@_shocked-face_]

I think you all might misunderstand the point of the pulpit. In debates, both sides should have the opportunity, but the pulpit is for educating the congregation about Christ. Just like the lectern at a school is used for lectures about the class being taught.

[@michaelsommers2356]

@@_shocked-face_ Preachers do not educate from the pulpit, they propagandize. At any rate, if they are going to demand that critics give them equal time, they they should also give equal time to their critics.

[@seanmcdonald5365]

I remember that Satan's guide popped up on my feed too and I just had to watch it. It was very very well done, after I finished I went on their channel only to be massively disappointed that they are new and that was basically their first video. I think it's such an amazing video as well because it basically puts into 1 video the overall of what made the large majority of us start turning from Christianity, the feeling of deception we experienced as we found out that everything they told us were either straight up lies, overstatements or misrepresentation of facts or people. The requirement of that kind of dishonesty in order to keep people from leaving, is really telling.

[@war0nheaven]

It took them a really long time to create the video-hence it being the only video.

[@kerianhalcon3557]

Not a full flerf face palm, but at 16:00 when mike talks about telling kids facts like it's a bad thing to know the facts, and "just trust me" as if the Satans video was telling them to just trust him. Like he goes over the passages that back up what he is teaching to those kids. I know it is coming when mike is on, but it still never fails to baffle me the idiotic nonsense that spews out his pie hole.

[@Chrismas815]

I feel like Mike purposely misses the point of the stuff he responds to. He always attacks things tangential to the point, and not the actual point

[@goldenalt3166]

This seems to be true of everyone. It's hard to see the other side and how to address them.

[@chet666]

You're being kind by stating that he would do that sort of thing on purpose. It's Hanlon's razor in full effect.

[@Chrismas815]

@@chet666 it's just my personal opinion, I'm not saying he's definitely doing it. His style of "debunking" is full of "yeah but's" and well poisoning. It's my opinion that someone would not do that on accident

[@DrKippDavis]

This is the second-best review of Mike Winger's rant against biblical scholarship featured in "Satan's Guide to the Bible." (Mind you, at least @Paulogia and Brady managed to get through more than 5 minutes of Mike.) Anyhow, nicely done, both of you.

[@CafeteriaCatholic]

Der Gedanke, dass jemand ein ganzes Mike Winger Video schauen kann, lässt mir das Blut in den Adern gefrieren. Vielen Dank für die illustre Runde auf Ihrem Kanal.

[@DrKippDavis]

@@CafeteriaCatholic Vielen Dank. To be clear, I did not watch the entire video, only the first 40 mins where "SATAN'S GUIDE" is featured. (Also, my German sucks.)

[@CafeteriaCatholic]

@@DrKippDavis I couldn't resist after I heard six scholars blaming poor old Gary Habermas for not citing german scholarship. ;)

[@spike238]

Seems Satan's narrative struck a nerve …

[@jeremysmetana8583]

Nice call out to Mr. Deity. Thanks for that! I'm a big fan of that guy.

[@Paulieinspiration]

Daniel was written after the so-called prophecies. I didn't know that, luckily my worldview is not wrapped up in a very flawed book.

[@dracocrusher]

"God doesn't want to sacrifice kids, he just keeps demanding that people should do it consistently over and over again."

[@Sumwhere-N-Between]

No He doesn’t. Where did you get that nonsense from?? Because It certainly isn’t in the Bible. 🤦‍♀️

[@dracocrusher]

@@Sumwhere-N-Between He literally tells Abraham to kill Isaac and he rewards him because he's willing to go through with it, saying "Now that I know you fear me, you can have something else to sacrifice for my all-good all-powerful greatness." And then Isaac just awkwardly rides home with him like "So... you were totally gonna do it, huh...? Yeah... okay....." Lol!

[@Sumwhere-N-Between]

@@dracocrusher But the angel of the LORD stopped him from sacrificing Isaac. It was a one time thing when God tested his faith and the point of it, was that God sacrificed His only Son, for the sins of the whole world! God didn’t expect Abraham to sacrifice his only son. But God sacrificed His. And Jesus Christ willingly laid down His life for sinners out of LOVE! When Isaac noticed Abraham didn’t have an animal to sacrifice, Abraham said; God will provide a sacrifice. And God did indeed provide a lamb caught in the thicket! Look you can’t out-do God, He is good!

[@dracocrusher]

@@Sumwhere-N-Between The unironic point is that God wanted him to show his resolve. Not sacrificing his kid would be bad because it shows that he doesn't fear God, but trying to sacrifice his kid is good because it shows he's afraid of God's wrath. That's why God rewards him by sparing the child. Because Abraham did a GOOD THING by being prepared to kill them. He's not being rewarded for failure. Going through with it means he passed God's test. Following God's order to kill his kid is literally the entire point. Otherwise, God would be angry at him for trying to take the life of his own son and he'd punish Abraham, instead. Which, honestly, would be the morally good thing to do in this scenario, really. It's good to refuse to kill your child because, if God is all-good, then he should understand your situation and provide a sacrifice either way. The Bible is full of really unethical stuff like that where God either straight-up does something bad or he rewards people for trying to do bad things.

[@dracocrusher]

​@@Sumwhere-N-Between The whole point is that Abraham is being rewarded for sincerely trying to murder his own son. If God didn't want him to sacrifice Isaac then he would have scolded or punished him for trying to do it. The Old Testament is full of stuff like this. God doesn't care about benefiting his followers, he cares about people worshipping and being devoted to him. It's not enough to hope God provides an alternative, you have to actively fear the consequences of angering him, as well, even if you don't have the means to satisfy him ethically. A GOOD God wouldn't put someone through this. They'd just see into Abraham's heart and understood that they just don't have a ready sacrifice to give instead of wanting them to kill their kid.

[@johnroth4302]

Thanks!

[@Paulogia]

Welcome!

[@michaelmeszaros6982]

There are THREE empty tombs of Jesus in Jerusalem: the Talpiot Family Tomb, Gordon’s Tomb and the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. ADDITIONALLY, there is one in Kashmir India and another in Shingo, Japan. Looks like some sort of franchise to me. RockOn, Paul and Brady.

[@Jin420]

The way they pointed out the takeover of Canaan & then bringing out the scholars to refute the "story" in the bible -- that was great. 😊

[@hackman669]

Why "take" the land by force? When they could simply move there,

[@Soapy-chan]

god: "I hate human sacrifice" JESUS FUCKING CHRIST WAS A HUMAN SACRIFICE AND THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE IN CHRISTIANITY HOW COULD YOU NOT SEE THE FUCKING IRONY THERE???????

[@mickeydecurious]

Or maybe they lied to you and Jesus was murdered for being a traitor to Rome, and Paul flipped it the truth.

[@Soapy-chan]

@@mickeydecurious I mean Jesus never existed, but either way of course they lied. It's just really weird to assert that god doesn't condone human sacrifice and yet believe jesus was one and the one that matters the most

[@mickeydecurious]

@@Soapy-chan I think they're weird in general 🤷🏼 I see your point though it's like they call God a liar, because they feel dirty inside... Like I said they're weird 😀

[@Joshua_Cline]

And who said there isn't nuance to Jesus being a sacrifice? The Bible affirms again and again the POINT of Jesus's sacrifice. So with all that said, do you understand what I mean by nuance?

[@Soapy-chan]

@@Joshua_Cline What is the nuance? He is a human sacrifice for our sins. god accepts that. Christians accept that.

[@jwmmitch]

Great video guys! Another reinforcement that is improbable to be religious and intellectually honest

[@DoctorBiobrain]

I always feel like Mike is really just trying to convince himself about this stuff. His arguments are always so desperate.

[@cwallcw]

Paul I died laughing at ur “subtle” timing and usage of the Simpson’s “neeeeeerd”!!

[@paulthepotato9311]

Even as a Christian I didn't understand the transfiguration asfar as them recognizing Moses and Elijah whom they'd never met or seen

[@yeahaddigirl]

Satan's guide to the Bible is such a good video that I really need more. So well done.

[@hackman669]

Is this a joke😊😅

[@yeahaddigirl]

​@@hackman669information you feel you can't consume isn't a problem with the information. It's a problem with you. Information can't hurt you.

[@MythVisionPodcast]

EPIC!!!!! ❤❤❤

[@ichapod]

💪🏾

[@grapeshot]

Give the devil his due👹

[@gregbowen2477]

In Mormonism, we'd use the 1 Corinthians phrase "milk before meat" to justify keeping troubling details on the down-low until people are already fully committed (or, more often, just permanently).

[@kriegmesserdclxvi2833]

Yeah, that first trip to the temple for endowment can be a shocker.

[@333_studios]

6:03 “now that you know these things, if you can find a way to still believe, then you’ll be a mature Christian. It was like he was welcoming me to a secret society I wasnt sure I wanted to be a part of.” For REALLL. And man when you learn these things at a Calvinist institution? Dude it’s just on a whole ‘nother level.

[@mykeljmoney]

Hate the excuses for sacrifice. “Oh, but he told them to sacrifice animals instead of people at some point.” Why the fudge did he need anything to be killed and sacrificed? It’s ridiculous.

[@harrispinkham]

He could’ve just forgiven us like a loving father would do. No sacrifice necessary

[@gavynabshire182]

A coworker recommended me your channel if I wanted to explore more of my critical thinking side. Found myself asking important questions and understanding both views. Excellent video

[@CountryBwoy]

Man! I used to Love the Cross Movement! Met/saw them at a Black Men's conference in Detroit years ago! Glad to see he's out.

[@Twentydragon]

15:00 - Brady, I disagree here. I don't think Winger _does_ want both sides of the issue presented. Rather, I think he's just paying lip service to wanting both sides presented, so he can seem like he's more reasonable than the folks just laying out a significant counterpoint.

[@advorak8529]

16:00 Complaining that the audience is treated like children … when the pastors are treating their flock as dumb sheep(le), telling them what to believe, but not giving details, not giving even hints that some of the stuff may be contested, not pointing out internal contradictions in the bible, … It’s as if *his* side may misrepresent any distort anything and everything but the other side has to be completely fair and bend over backwards to appease him. How is that not prejudice and bias?

[@Joshua_Cline]

would you mind elaborating on contradictions?

[@JasonHenderson]

​@@Joshua_Clinehow many women went to the tomb? And was a stone rolled away before they got there or after they got there?

[@Joshua_Cline]

​@@JasonHenderson No gospel claims "only the women I've listed went to the tomb". That being said, the authors are doing something called spotlighting, where a story focuses mainly on certain characters for some emphasis. And in John 20:2, note that Mary said 'they have taken the Lord.... and WE [not I] dont know..." As for a stone being rolled away, let's consider all the women reported to be there: (Matthew 28, "toward dawn") Mary Magdelene, "the other Mary". (Mark 16, "Very early when the sun had risen") Mary mother of James, Salome, (Luke 24, "at early dawn") Mary Magdelene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and other women. (John 20, "while it was still dark") Mary Magdelene came to the tomb early So here's the resolution I came up with in accordance to the text. Mary Magdelene could very well have made a second trip after telling other women about the empty tomb. And each author spotlighted different women for some particular effect. As for the stone being rolled away, here's what I think is being expressed in Matthew: the stone had already been moved (as opposed to the text saying something like "And an angel appeared where they stood and the women watched him move the stone away.") If you want to learn more, here are two playlists: kzbin.info/aero/PLZ3iRMLYFlHu4XWmQ7gL9YDehRMkZ-ePv&feature=shared kzbin.info/aero/PL1mr9ZTZb3TXRZs52bpnVfiPM9TD_Ukfo&feature=shared I myself haven't watched ALL of them, but what I have watched starts a good streak. And the two men understand Christianity quite well.

[@cynicallyskeptic4295]

My pastor preached drinking alcohol was a sin. I (in private) discussed this with him and shared specific scripture that proved the mere consumption of alcohol couldn't be a sin. He agreed with me but said he couldn't go out and say that from the pulpit. This from a pastor that frequently said it was important to preach the entire word of god. I never respected or trusted him again. Yes, preachers keep secrets and only preach what they want.

[@CharlesPayet]

7:54 why doesn’t Mike complain about pastors not sharing both sides? Because the video already answered it: because it would cause too much doubt.

[@liepa7768]

About daughter's sacrifice. Technically god didn't ask him and didn't drag him by tongue. However, if god is almighty, means that he orchestrated that first comes not a dog (as expected) but a child. Moreover, if a guy promised to sacrifice a living being for the victory, it's because that god Liked blood sacrificeds.

[@istvansipos9940]

Next time, Mike will explain how Legolas kept switching weapons so darn fast. why not? Mike is already knee deep in fiction.

[@GeistView]

Not only was the daughter the one who opened the door, it was God who planned and was in control of who opened the door. She had no choice but to be the 1st to open the door. God did thus favor KNOWING it was her who would open the door 1st.

[@greatcaesarsghostwriter3018]

22:50 Mike, please show the class what passages in the Bible clearly demonstrate an objective morality.

[@marcomoreno6748]

What even is an "objective morality"? A definition or examples will work.

[@JasonHenderson]

​@@marcomoreno6748objective morality is a oxymoron.

[@randallbesch2424]

@@marcomoreno6748 if you like hurting people stealing from them killing them that is immoral unless it is to yourself alone.

[@lukezeka6452]

Great work here guys. I am very impressed by Brady, wow! Super great guest with lots of stellar insights!

[@MrChupacabra555]

17:04 : "For the Night is Dark, and Full of Terrors".....wait, wrong Holy Book........😅

[@jackskelington7377]

The Lord of Light seems like a cooler god.

[@MrChupacabra555]

@@jackskelington7377 But both demand child sacrifices (when I heard this, I couldn't help but think of that episode where Shireen Baratheon was sacrificed 😓)

[@savantGK3]

It comes full circle I used to listen to Cross Movement a lot back when I was a devout Christian, now here I am some 20 years later as a former Christian listening to Phanatik, also a former Christian.

[@JAMESLEVEE]

So where was the ram in the bramble for Jephtha's daughter? Also: just who or what else did Jephtha expect to come running out of his house? His dog, maybe? Frankly, I'd object to killing even that. And Jephtha isn't even all that brave. He killed his own child to evade God's wrath, not to show devotion.

[@drzaius844]

Ichapod is an amazing addition to the show. Gonna check him out now.

[@peterpackiam]

Thanks & Brilliantly laid out and explained, as always, Paul. Cheers🥃.

[@LyleFrancisDelp]

Humankind created the concept of "god", ergo....humankind created morality....all by itself. No "god" necessary.

[@marcomoreno6748]

Morality is an emergent phenomenon of evolved social creatures- in question: humans. Not "god".

[@LyleFrancisDelp]

@@marcomoreno6748 Pretty sure I just said that.

[@Joe-Przybranowski]

In the original Abraham and Issac story, The sacrifice was completed. There was no rescue.

[@rjproduction486]

Source??!

[@JasonHenderson]

36:36 the Roman soldier thing always gets me. Like, we're all crucifixion victim's tombs guarded by Roman soldiers? How long were they planning on guarding this tomb? Would they still be guarding it today?

[@MrDalisclock]

They have to Guard the tomb for 3000 years until Jesus comes out. Because, as many apologists have told me, a day is a 1000 years to god and I have to assume that applies to every mention of a day in the Bible because apologists wouldn't be that inconsistent, would they? Would they?

[@JasonHenderson]

@@MrDalisclock that would be the Hebrew word and also he was only in the tomb 2 days but I get what you're saying

[@randallbesch2424]

Why would they even be there since they saw Jesus as just another criminal and revolutionary like Barabbas.

[@randallbesch2424]

@@JasonHenderson 2 days not 3 aka add 1000 years for each day and you get...

[@Mikichondria]

I realise now that this is why it was once outlawed to own a non-latin bible. Because once people could read and understand the bible they'd tend to figure it's all bs or at the very least morally questionable and turn away from Christianity. It's why a majority of my catholic school friends became atheists- because we had 11 years of learning, reading, studying, and being tested on biblical works and figured it wasn't inerrant so what's the point of worshipping it?

[@hannuala-olla4302]

In Bible, if god was 'not cool' with something, he makes it pretty clear.

[@JasonHenderson]

Thou shalt not sacrifice children Thou shalt not own people See, it's easy. Why couldn't God do it?

[@ancientflames]

@@JasonHenderson because it was normal practice during the time. Why would he 😂.

[@kendrajade6688]

@@ancientflames To distinguish himself from all the other gods around that didn't exist?

[@oscargr_]

@13:40 ish. They accuse Ehrman of making different (or stating stronger) arguments in popular public outings. When so often when I point out that William Craig spends all his time laying out the arguments for "a cause for the beginning of the universe" and then quickly dropping that this cause must be " _all the properties of his specific deity_ " The response is usually... You should read his scholarly work.

[@mainecoonmami]

Brady! Nice collaboration.

[@ryancraft2723]

I’ve been a fan for years, and I’m very proud of my doctorate in Paulogetics. I was raised Southern baptist, and your content and logical reasoning helped me with my deconstruction more than anything else. Thank you Paul. Thank you.

[@SATANSGUIDE]

Goodwin 15:12 new scripture!

[@kennethanderson8770]

So must feel good lying to so many and thru actually fall for it. Your video was an actual joke. It’s sad Paul is feeding right into it.

[@jasonleslie4349]

Ahhh what a relief! I was wondering who was going to rebut mike's rebuttal of the satan video and couldn't be any other but you Although mike seems to be a geniune nice person its his bias or maybe pride that spoil him.He doesn't seem to hold a high egard for the iq of Christians hoping his sneaky twisting of questions goes undetected by them.Fantastic logical easy to comprehend rebuttals thanks Paulogia

[@FuddlyDud]

Inspiring Philosophy did a much better rebuttal of the original video. I’d highly recommend it! :)

[@grapeshot]

Yep the cover-up can be more devastating than the crime just ask the people who were involved with Watergate.

[@sanitationschool]

As someone who is a Christian and has a degree in theology, I think the video was good. I’m actually not against believers questioning their own faith. At many times I have questioned my own through intellectual and suffering. However, I am not a Christian because everything makes sense, neither because I understand the Bible fully, but I am a Christian because I have seen the power and love of God on my life personally and that forever changed me. I came from a church background growing up and had many questions myself. I also hated church myself and had thoughts of disbelief in God. I have about 4 pastors in my family. There’s a difference between being a Christian by cultural or family expectations and being a Christian because you needed to be saved from your sin and the solution was Jesus.

[@_shocked-face_]

I’ve been surprised by how many people in these comments seem to have come from churches that don’t want people to learn, question and grapple with hard questions. I’m glad you are in a supportive environment that lets you do that :)

[@sanitationschool]

@@_shocked-face_ it’s unfortunate, but true, it does happen. Control is a thing in religion and faith.

[@_shocked-face_]

@@sanitationschool very true. That’s why it’s so important to be a shining example, and to kindly correct against those misrepresentations.

[@christiantesarik7052]

Whiny Winger cries a river. Updating your beliefs according to new scientific findings should be the standard, not a reason to throw a fit cause your preferred view is no longer correct.

[@wadehathawaymusic]

Really look forward to checking out Brady's content!

[@basildraws]

all around the 20:00 minute mark Mike is trying to refute the notion that god is OK with child sacrifice. Buuuuuut, isn't Christianity, at its core, ALL ABOUT god sacrificing his child? That's the ENTIRE basis for xtianity to exist.

[@exaucemayunga22]

The crazy part is, God's child, is actually himself. God actually sacrificed himself to himself 😂

[@ShaunDibley]

Don’t let obvious facts get in the way of Mike demonstrating apologetics requires selling your soul and falsely claiming the moral high ground whilst rejecting integrity.

[@randallbesch2424]

The dragon of Eden was never listed as Shaitan just a talking animal and punished by losing its legs to become a serpent not before. Amazing how many get it wrong.

[@laurajarrell6187]

Paulogia, wow, this was great and 'Ichapod', Brady Goodwin, was excellent I'll happily sub. As for the Mr. Deity bits, Brian is also great. He's complimented you, too. The tomb is a silly idea. But then, I think the story is pretty inane and silly from Genesis to Revelation.👍💙💙💙🥰✌

[@Mekelsior]

The empty tomb never had a corpse in it. It is very likely that the JESUS that died, was Barabbas and was buried in a mass grave, then the Christ which was James the Just, would just Appear and "raise" from the dead. As for Barabbas, it is very interesting that they covered the face of JESUS and pummeled him and beat him in his face, over and over, just to make sure no one would recognize him perhaps? Then compare the words of JESUS with the words of Christ and see contradiction after contradiction.

[@qjsharing2408]

Listening to this, I suddenly realized we don't have many witnesses to the empty tomb, even. The authors don't have direct evidence of the guards talking about it, the women said nothing. So who made any actual claims, that the authors could have theoretically interviewed?

[@Paulogia]

good point

[@qjsharing2408]

Given the gospels recording Jesus's conversation during his temptation, we know that the authors included parts of the story that they very much could not have verified. So guessing that's what happened when the guards were discussing the empty tomb with the clergy, it's not unreasonable

[@gasconheart]

Excellent take, just congratulations.