The Didache | Another Book That Almost Made It Into the Bible?

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[@umang3227]

I am from India and really got into western religions because of your channel. Your videos are always very informative.

[@VoidHalo]

That is so cool. I'm on the other side of things. Being Canadian and living around Christianity all my life. Now, I am learning about Eastern religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism, and Sikhism. Unfortunately, there aren't many resources locally, or even on the internet that goes very much in detail about any of these religions. Unless I read scripture like the Vedas or something. But that is difficult to understand. It is actually very common for people in the West to seek to learn about Eastern religions. For whatever personal reason they have. Whether curiosity, or they intend to find a new religion. Even The Beatles did it. Don't ever be discouraged from learning about anything new. I, for one, respect the hell out of anyone who takes it upon themselves to learn new things or works to improve themselves when nobody is forcing it on them. I believe we must always strive for self improvement, as no person is ever perfect. So, there's always something to work on.

[@ipolygon1]

Our religion sprung out of the levant. Don’t view it as simply a western religion. It is just as much the religion of Asians as it is Americans. Everyone is welcomed that’s the whole point.

[@umang3227]

@@VoidHalo You can't read the Vedas straight away. They are a collection of hymns that were supposed to be sung during rituals. If you wanna check out some of the philosophical stuff of Hinduism, you should read Upanishads. If you are really into stories like Biblical stories you should definitely read Mahabharata and Ramayana. They are very much like Iliad and Odyssey and would be an interesting read. And while you do that I will read my Bible :)

[@BadgerOfTheSea]

So interesting to see it from the other side. A lot of westerners are obsessed with eastern religions

[@andrewharper1609]

It's actually quite easy to get information on other religions if you know where to look: project Gutenberg has translated copies of the Quran and Rig Veda among other stuff.

[@matthewmaguire7328]

Thank you for all you do! From a religious studies undergraduate!

[@ReligionForBreakfast]

Good luck with the semester!

[@anthonyp3113]

Super slow Friday at work so this is a blessing! Thanks RFB!

[@jackemmakem]

I have a copy of the Didache. It gets a lot of hype for such a small book but it's so old yet so familiar when it come to Christian beliefs

[@robertwarner-ev7wp]

At first glance maybe. But there’s no reference to anything Pauline, no sacrifice on the cross and no body and blood in the Eucharist. Which is what leads me to believe it’s earlier than what later developed into Roman Catholicism.

[@jackemmakem]

@@robertwarner-ev7wp to be fair it is a very short book

[@robertwarner-ev7wp]

@@jackemmakem The Eucharistic Prayers are the giveaway, no body, no blood. Life and knowledge which you made known to us through your son. This is a different religion.

[@JeremyMacDonald1973]

@@robertwarner-ev7wp Presumably it could draw on a lot of per-Christian sources but it is pretty hard to be earlier then Paul. Jesus dies in and about AD 30 and we think the first of Paul's letters is around AD 40. My take is it might well be in parallel to Paul. We know Paul basically preached among the Gentiles while there was already a large (and after AD 70 rapidly growing) population of Apocalyptic Jews. As noted this is pretty Jewish text and could well have caught on more among early Jewish Christians. This would also help to explain its later rejection from the Bible.

[@ctusiard9755]

Actually watching the video as I work, not even a break.

[@nathangibbons9492]

Thank you! So happy we get two in one week

[@ReligionForBreakfast]

Been a busy week in the Religion For Breakfast household. Another video coming next week too.

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[@fletcherjackson8594]

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[@clockworkgnome]

In my Russo-American Eastern Orthodox catechism we used the Didache, The Shepherd of Hermas as well as _some_ Origen, and Tertullian (but it was made very clear that the latter two were, for the most part, heretics). I’m not a Christian anymore but learning about these texts inspired a love of Religious Studies and Early Christian Literature.

[@matthewmelson1780]

As a Catholic the Didache is not part of the Bible but it is used as a foundational text explaining the historical proof of traditions in the Church.

[@Desperate-Drive3423]

misuse it to help spread your fals teachings you mean

[@matthewmelson1780]

@@Desperate-Drive3423 nice try satan

[@BlewJ]

What does you being Catholic have to do with the Didache's status as noncanonical?

[@matthewmelson1780]

@@Desperate-Drive3423 ok satan

[@janploch5894]

@@BlewJ Different types of Christians consider different books canonical.

[@juliusnovachrono4370]

I'm watching this whilst having dinner. Great content, Andrew.

[@brettkeeler8822]

Guilty as charged: I enjoyed this video on my lunch break. Thanks for the summary.😉

[@slipknot73745]

I can't believe you called out my lunch break like that!

[@joncohen6059]

How do I reconcile the two facts that the didache 4:11 calls for slaves to be obedient to their masters, and that some of the earliest Christians were slaves because it was empowering to them, in comparison to the Roman state religion?

[@andyduke6119]

I have that and other works in my copy of The Apostolic Fathers 3rd edition. I found it provided great insight into the beliefs of the early church.

[@JaimeNyx15]

I'm curious what the difference was between magic and sorcery to the writers of the Didache. I'll need to look at how those are being translated, probably. UPDATE: the original Greek uses μαγεύσεις and φαρμακεύσεις, or roughly "mageia" and "pharmakeia". Those are pretty culturally specific terms, and Andrew has talked about them in previous videos, but my impression is the former is more to do with enchantments and glamour, while the latter is more about potions, drugs, etc

[@DanzigDevilock]

Probably the same definition we use today. It was not that long ago.

[@benjaminbrockway5998]

​@@DanzigDevilock1800 years is a pretty long time.

[@JaimeNyx15]

@@benjaminbrockway5998 Maybe they've been around a while. Vampire detected?

[@generallyuninterested4956]

It's a translation. It's probably not 100% able to translate to modern English.

[@ni_Klaus_Mikaelson]

Looking forward to the AMA!

[@TrevorJC]

I did not know about this, so cool. Always new stuff to learn.

[@tuanphamanh4721]

Thank you for the excellent videos! Coming in from Vietnam.

[@4kBible]

@ReligionForBreakfast 👊🤩I'm so THRILLED to see people giving this book the attention it deserves!! I put the Didache on an audiobook on my channel because I thought it was a really important teaching❤ Also on my channel I cover something called the Clemente homilies they were 20 different books that were penned by clement, who was mentioned in Philippians 4:3. I also put them in an audiobook because they're so fascinating, explains the Giants Parables and backstories of the Bible!!👍

[@JesusJunkie2023]

The Clement homily books were lost and forgotten about but we're important part of History. Internal evidence suggests written before the book of Acts Since peter was still eating separately.

[@Heavenlyminded2023]

Peter was very self-righteous and eating separately.🙄

[@Bible4k]

There would be no argument for abortion if people would follow the Didache. Apologists should stop denying these books exist or pretend they weren't important just because they don't align with the trinity.

[@UNCömmønSənse]

The Clement Homily Books are written better than the Bible in my opinion.

[@RaptureReadyLaodicean]

​@@UNCömmønSənse As much as I love Paul's work in the New Testament, I almost have to agree 💯

[@giordy9013]

Was looking for a didache video some days ago, glad you did this, the non canonical bibliography is just enormous and interesting

[@TurtleMarcus]

The Eucharist in the Didache most notably does not contain the Lord's Supper Narrative. Suggesting that the Eucharist originated as a common meal, and not as a riutal re-enactment of the Lord's Supper as found in the Passion story. That in itself is old news, but the Words of Institution have such paramount importance in Western theology, both Catholic and Protestant, that reading a Eucharist ritual without it was acutally somewhat distressing and mind-warping as a young student.

[@vix8426]

i’m actually watching while eating dinner but thank you for considering

[@nikok410]

These forgotten historic books are so interesting, great video! btw at 10:11 you say "Northwest Africa", did you mean Northeast since you mentioned Coptic and Ethiopia?

[@mattkaczmarek1152]

Nope - Tertullian lived in Carthage, modern day Tunis.

[@ReligionForBreakfast]

Ah yeah misspoke

[@martian9035]

I was in fact on my lunch break while watching this video

[@BillHimmel]

I'm an atheist, and I really enjoy these vids explaining the history of human belief!

[@EarnestApostate]

Definitely one of my favorites as well

[@jd3jefferson556]

Shocking how little the Catholic Church has changed since the first century

[@elizabethhannah4332]

How’d you know I’d be watching this on my lunch break

[@AncientAccounts]

We making it outta the bible with this one 🗣🗣‼‼🔥

[@redflags6583]

Jokes on you, I'm watching this as I'm about to go to bed! Religion for bedtime!

[@aifos5171]

Sweet! We just talked about this at universiry :)

[@Grenzfalle-kt5ev]

"you can read it in 20 min" "nevermind, I'll summarize it for you" -17min video

[@welcometonebalia]

Thank you.

[@frankwitte1022]

Great video and so interesting! Perhaps you have already covered it, or perhaps you consider it unsuitable for your channel ... but I would be very curious to hear your take on the "Heliand".

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Who up breaking their fast rn

[@wiaamhaddad8550]

Super! Would like to know more on the development of liturgical traditions

[@BrandanLee]

Two in a week! Praise be! Turn and face his coming with the sun, Camera Guy Andrew!

[@oliveblake8154]

I literally just finished listening to The Didache (audiobook version). Then I come to KZbin and see this video. Coincidence? 👀

[@youremakingprogress144]

A religious text that focuses on an Us vs. Them mentality? Astonishing.

[@VoidHalo]

I would love it if you did a video about the Nag Hamadi Library of Gnostic Gospels. Though, some of the books would almost need their own video.

[@TurtleMarcus]

The channel Esoterica, with Dr. Justin Sledge, has done lots of videos on the specific books of the Nag Hammadi Library (both their histories and theologies), presented in a clear scholarly style. Worth checking out.

[@rajatberry2277]

great video again. day 1 of asking for more videos on hindu mythology

[@toagonel7045]

Was just wondering about this book

[@drhall343]

9:39 "The only other Greek evidence we have is a fragment found at an ancient garbage dump from Egypt." Sounds like the Egyptians were pretty smart people. 😂

[@xUncleA123x]

4:55 The Didache doesn't "insist". It literally says "...in living water. But if you have no living water, baptize into other water; and if you cannot do so in cold water, do so in warm. But if you have neither, pour out water three times upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit." That is basically giving an ideal, but giving pretty much every exception for baptism. Doesn't matter if it's flowing or not, cold or warm, or dunked or poured.

[@winnebagotrout1997]

He literally mentions the exceptions right after, did you not watch the full video?

[@LawtonDigital]

Have you created a video on the subject of early Christian/Jewish custom and abortion? I'd be interested in watching it.

[@TheImmortalArt]

Very cool video. Thank you. Question: will you ever cover the medieval shismatic churches and their beliefs? Cathars, Patarens, Bosnian Church, Bogomils?

[@TurtleMarcus]

The channel Esoterica, with Dr. Justin Sledge, have excellent videos on the Cathars and other heretical (mostly Gnostic) groups, in much the same style as this. Worth checking out.

[@thepalegalilean]

Showed up early enough to have breakfast with Jesus!!! Nice!

[@andrewsuryali8540]

Remember kids, ALWAYS kick out your apostles on the third day!

[@obsidianjane4413]

Reminds me of the fan clubs that little kids create where they make up petty rituals and tests for each other. lol

[@thoryon8819]

He caught me mouth full of pizza when he called me out for being on my lunch break 😂

[@Miaphysite3]

It is part of our 81 canonical books.

[@gregoryfenn1462]

Who's?

[@Miaphysite3]

@@gregoryfenn1462 the Ge’ez rite of the Oriental Orthodoxy (Eritrean and Ethiopian Churches).

[@danfsteeple]

@@gregoryfenn1462 Monophysites

[@randallpayne9320]

Do you recommend and English version of this? Been looking for a reliable one

[@tim31415]

The Didache is unquestionably a (very) rough draft of the sermon on the mount/plain, providing conclusive evidence that the canonical gospels did not exist prior the first quarter of the second century.

[@bucketboy00]

Love your work! What version of the didaice did you use for this video?

[@andrewharper1609]

I find hilarious that it bans witchcraft and then includes the Lord's prayer (addressed the deity Baal rather than YHWH).

[@eedobee]

Hi everyone

[@darthJ9]

2 vids in 2 days we're cookingg (breakfast)

[@thomasdolcelli4969]

The most accurate part of this video is, me watching while at lunch. 😂😂😅

[@Unsolicited-Info]

So saying this is like Abrahamic Zoroastrianism would be?

[@xunqianbaidu6917]

"Calls for enslaved people to submit to their enslavers because they are a symbol of god" Yeah that aged well

[@yeahaddigirl]

I mean at least they were accurate. Tyrannical dictator mentality is very human tribalism coded.

[@graphixkillzzz]

religion and slavery went hand in hand almost the entire time both have existed. it's crazy that we had to remove religion from governance in order to get away from slavery; even crazier when it's so obvious and yet there's still so many people ignorant enough to keep believing in religions 🤦‍♂️

[@VoidHalo]

Slavery still exists in places like Africa and India. In particular, debt slaves. For example, someone may borrow money with the intent of working it off. They're taken far away to work, and they are overcharged for everything by the lender. Food, rent, clothes, made up charges (ie you did this wrong, it's coming out of your pay) anything to keep you from paying off your debt and being free. A lot of India and Africa is rural. Hundreds of miles from anything. So, it's no issue to have dozens of debt slaves working your farm. And neighbors don't care. They have their own debt slaves to worry about. That's just one example, but rest assured there are many more. We are very fortunate in the west that slavery wqs common so long ago that many assume it no longer exists. In fact, estimates are that there are between 36 and 49.6 million slaves worldwide. Most likely many more, since there isn't exactly a census for slave owners.

[@xunqianbaidu6917]

@@VoidHalo I'm not entirely sure the point of this reply, as I'm well aware of modern day injustices; but hey, more power to you.

[@andrewharper1609]

Any country with taxes or interest rates has a slavery system. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong.

[@ronydrod]

I'm having knowledge for breakfast

[@AngeloNasios]

Now do the Philokalia.

[@219belizeman]

At what point in history did "scripture" cease to be a writing or written text and instead a sacred writings or written text. Seems to me that the term sacred, divine, or holy scripture is not redundant but rather describing the kind of written text is being dealt with.

[@neroclaudius3314]

Love how Christians 2000 years ago were dealing with the same fake prophets we are now. I bet they had a guy like Robert Tilton or one of the other mega church pastors doing travelling shows and the guys writing the Didache were like "We gotta stop this BS"

[@RandomloserDK]

1:03 You are totally wrong. I'm watching this on the toilet.

[@Terinije]

Eating a burrito on my lunch break.

[@Hollandsemum2]

I've always been interested in reading the books that didn't make it in to the bible. Are they available on line? Which translations &/or editions are considered best? Are they considered to cover possible additional historical accounts & ways of thinking, or are they considered random fictional stories? I've never talen the Bible as hard fact, but I do think as technology and archeology improve, some ancient "myths" do wind up being found or proved, like the Pool of Siloam.

[@nebulan]

Lunch break is correct

[@KingoftheJuice18]

It's the "too Jewish" thing. How can you make a Pauline case against "works of law" when clearly some early Christians understood that being religious means actually doing religious deeds?

[@Outthere115]

"...and advocating for the wealthy."

[@brettnelly94]

Lunch gang

[@JayKson-2512]

Is there a link one can find this Didache text?

[@jeffaltier5582]

I think I've failed pretty much everything they talk about in these writings.

[@graphixkillzzz]

there was just a bunch of guys in ancient times that learned to read and write, and they were just wandering around writing fan fic based on all of the random gods they came across in various cultures 🤔🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤣👉

[@andrewharper1609]

The didache? Sounds painful.

[@Carewolf]

Second and fifth day would be Tuesday and Friday, the day of rest sabbot is Sunday for Christians. did you leave out they using the Jewish days of the week?

[@Carewolf]

To me this just reads as a conflict between which day is the first of the week.

[@EchoLog]

They are different days of the week no matter what - Judaism uses a lunar calendar and Christianity uses a luni-solar calendar, and people in both traditions argue about when to start counting from.

[@TurtleMarcus]

The Didache (and Christian tradition even to this day) presupposes that Sunday is the first day of the week, and that Saturday is the seventh. Monday being the first day is a civil convention, not a religious one.

[@VersieKilgannon]

Is there an Aramaic or a Greek word for "abortion"? I'm not trying to stir up controversy. I'm genuinely curious as to why abortion is so specifically mentioned in The Didache when it's only vaguely mentioned in the canon books 😅

[@zesky6654]

The same reason it sets arbitrary rules for baptisms and fasting is because it's not about doing Christianity the right way, it's about doing Christianity "Our" way.

[@trinitxx8571]

I'm so earlyyy

[@raycasta10]

religion for midnight breakfast?

[@h3w45]

Bible is made by personal preference of some people

[@maaleman888]

I was about to reach enlightenment listening to the video, my eyes were lost, wandering on the screen, the background, the book and then.... XBOX REMOTE CONTROLLER 🎮 😂 YOU'RE THE BEST !

[@TechBearSeattle]

Mainstream Christianity derives from the Nicene branch of the Paulist school: witness the fact that almost all universally accepted Christian scriptures are Paul's letters while most other documents were suppressed and the schools supporting them massively persecuted. The Didache was from one of these other schools, so it was rejected by the Paulists and, like other non-Paulist writings such as the Epistle of Barnabas and the Shepherd of Hermas, were ultimately rejected.

[@joshuaparsons887]

Thats completely untrue considering the Didache is literally referenced and used by the church Fathers

[@dannyhuskerjay]

It also has some disagreements with Paul. It sounds a lot like the James, Jude Epistles . So yes it was most likely written by Jewish Christian’s . Praying the Lord’s Prayer 3 times a day goes against Paul’s pray without ceasing. Baptism seemed to be for the forgiveness of sin and to be done over and over again . Compared to Paul’s one baptism. The Eucharist seems to be more a messianic meal than the body and blood of Jesus.

[@yukiminsan]

Nobody, not even the early Christians, felt confident in its authorship. That's really all there is to it.

[@jope2123]

Theres "two ways" in the Book of Mormon. You should check it out.