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[@awesomeapollo5169]

I love grooming men too

[@PKshockwave]

Knew it was manscaped from the stream. Congrats 👏

[@Gnarfledarf]

Don't put sponsored content in the middle of the video.

[@Hunter_6430]

“I play Overwatch 2” bro please uninstall and save yourself

[@doglopmaz]

I would agree but lately ow has been doing good things lately

[@mykittystinksbad2]

gurl bye overwatch is good

[@footur3179]

@@mykittystinksbad2 overwatch is good but it was better

[@codycigar4409]

@@doglopmaz💀

[@gortalla5474]

i'm going to blow my brains out if i see kiriko and junkrat on the enemy team one more time

[@henriquecarballoaranha9100]

I think its pretty funny that the DLC Legendaries range from "Incredibly broken bear that invalidates every existing form of defensive play as has been overly dominating ever since its release" to munkidori

[@CAiNiAC]

He's a lot better than Fezandipiti 🤷

[@duckymomo7935]

I mean I think people were complaining about stall since gen 5-7 Toxapex was practically impossible to remove from the field. Amoonguss is generally a menace. Gen 9 started with so much bulk (gargancl, glimmora, dodonzo-tataugiri, ting lu and wo chien)

[@Mo447]

@@duckymomo7935 Glimmora bulky is crazy

[@GigaCyan]

@@CAiNiACa lot?

[@CAiNiAC]

@@GigaCyan correct

[@mr.punisher5100]

Yeah after all the DLC monsters we've been subjected to, we already know how absurd Terapagos will be

[@MoxieBoosted]

I mean it's a box legend so

[@QuantemDeconstructor]

Mounted Calyrex was just wrong

[@BladeSerph]

Exactly, with thanks to Ogrepon and the teaser images/videos, we KNOW that Terapagos is literally just Megaevolution & a Gigantamax rolled into one potentially, whether its treating ALL its moves as Enhanced Stab, Treat all moves as Reverse Stab used against it or as basic as letting it choose ANY of the types during battle and immediately Tera-type with no limit(meaning it could Counter Tera type or STAB Tera type on the fly) and can even apply that to team-mates. Which the latter is definitely the most likely if they dont want to just straight up make it Yatagarasu turn lock in Yugioh back in the day, auto-banned levels bad, even worst then `Origin Plate` Arceus in Legends Arceus. Hell the fact the `extra OP stuff` was not released till a new version of the games down the line instead of a DLC makes it even more sooner when the broken stuff comes out, especially in the base game. acting more as a shove of a full on `game revamp` during the same game`s period, then a entirely new Competition ruleset to go by, like an entire new competition season.

[@jesuisunstroopwafel]

For once it's gonna be busted defensively.

[@lorekeeper685]

Well Certain others could get special forms too

[@Arktic06]

Can’t wait for iron scruggywug to set up maximum layers of all hazards on switch in and have a signature move that calculates damage off of their base stat total (1637)

[@donnadie5219]

Give the move a guaranteed omniboost and MAYBE Scruggywug will have a niche in UU

[@Mr.Brothybear]

Magic Bounce

[@Eroil]

​@@donnadie5219Fallinks already does and it's in ZU...

[@hasanyigitsar6264]

@Eroil God. I love Falinks. Why does it have 80 SPA. It only learns 4 Special moves. It effectively has a BST of 400.... At least it's pretty good in ZU... Good thing about lower tiers: They won't ever get powercrept.

[@aydenthehedgefox9592]

​@@hasanyigitsar6264the worst part is that they do...

[@mattguy1773]

at least we arent living in a reality where simisear is a meta threat because you cant get him anymore

[@mr.punisher5100]

You can get him from a Pokemon home trade pretty easily

[@Kayther33]

what? why? can you explain?

[@Eroil]

​@@Kayther33I'm guessing they mean you cannot get him in the latest games at all (s/v, legends, s/s)

[@lunar9342]

​@@Eroil We haven't been able to catch the elemental monkeys in the wild since X and Y. Ten years ago.

[@mandalorianhunter1]

​@@Eroilyou can actually breed them in SV along with H Arcanine

[@taldesanti2803]

"trickroom switch-in" dont give them ideas.

[@deathpigeon2]

In singles, calyrex shadow rider is one of the very few pokémon ever banned from ubers.

[@Mr.Brothybear]

I love Using a Ditto against Calyrex shadow riders

[@Eroil]

​@@Mr.Brothybearwhen you see dittos run in ubers you know the mon is broken lol

[@Wgar1]

I never knew it was banned, I thought it was just Mega Ray and the Sword Doggo

[@deathpigeon2]

@@Wgar1 It got banned in gen 9, actually. It's still legal in gen 8 ubers. Also, arceus was banned from ubers in gen 4.

[@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500]

​@@Wgar1The list is actually 4 now Mega Rayquaza got banned in Gen 6-7 Ubers Zacian-Crowned got banned in Gen 8 Ubers After a discovery that you could get an Arceus with over 100 EVs, Arceus got banned in Gen 4 Ubers and now Shadow Calyrex is banned in Gen 9 Ubers

[@JonyJuices]

Skipping over Blood Moon is kinda silly just given how OP that mon is. It’s ability and signature move is some of the most busted GF ever put in a game period.

[@toxic0470]

Mind's eye is just scrappy (pre gen 8) and keen eye rolled into one. Blood moon is a cracked move thought most definitely. I feel like Luna was left out because it doesn't have the meta is as much of a chokehold as fu did in reg D, ogerpon has now and calyrex will have when it's allowed to be used.

[@Diablocera]

@@toxic0470why did you say pre-Gen 8? Is it different now?

[@toxic0470]

@@Diablocera scrappy makes you immune to intimidate from gen 8 onward

[@YoJoRockThaBeat]

It's not OP though. Vgc shows that it can be beat hence why you rarely see it now a days. It's ability and signature move help it not be insignificant.

[@cornonjacob]

Blood Moon is OP in singles, not so much in doubles (still good obv), luckily singles is pretty much entirely on showdown so the price isn't an issue, but the same money that gets you ogerpon and terapagos gets you blood Moon, so 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@IrfanFakhrianto]

The problem isnt the fact that theyre dlc, its that for whatever reason they allow Home mons that you cant catch in SV itself yet to be legal

[@EmersonCRVG]

they want you to buy the games, their main busines is the game

[@Kayther33]

@@EmersonCRVG no is not, is the merchandising

[@TehMaack]

@Kayther33 Their business is making games, but majority of their revenue comes from merchandising said games. If there was no games, there would be no money made from the merch. Disney is a prime example of this, except instead of games, it's TV and Movies.

[@KnightofChaosDeck]

... So every Pokemon game ever then?

[@MrDev1718]

Weren’t you guys complaining about the dex cut? Whats the problem now? Every single pokemon was available for competitive in gen 7 yet no one complained

[@Dexuz]

That scrimblo bimblo usage took me off-guard, it's like a jumpscare.

[@Kaghtaviy]

Based pfp

[@MarcBrightside]

I'd argue this has been a problem in the franchise since the very beginning. Some of the strongest Pokemon in Gen 1 were trade only evolutions, and for people who didn't own a link cable plus a friend with their own copy of the game, they most likely ended up with two Gameboys and the second version just to have access to 'mons like Alakazam and Gengar. In Gen 2, most of the new evolutions were also locked behind trades, including two of the new steel types, further encouraging this problem. Gen 3's Pokedex was split across multiple different games, encouraging more purchases for access to the Johto starters, and Gen 4 brought even more trade evolutions and doubled the number of Mythicals, which back then would have necessitated a trip to Toys R Us or an equivalent, limited time event for a chance to download them. As much as I like this series and want to see it develop, we have been milked hard since day one.

[@BladeSerph]

To be fair, back in the day, Pokemon games were 30 or 40 bucks in the gameboy era as far as im aware of, instead of the 60 dollar price these days, and the last 10 or so years. Sure inflation happened down the line, but even if minimum wage was something like 9 bucks a hour back then, you could literally get one of those games with just 4~6 hours of a paycheck, vs if you earn 13~ bucks a hour now a days, its likely in the 4~5 hour ballpark....BUUUUUUT.... -You have the 30 dollar extra price tag for the dlc. -The mandatory Subscription costs to play together with friends, since i dont even believe they have Local play for these current pokemon games anymore, which even if they do, G.L. if your friends live in entirely different cities/countries/continents. compared to not having the internet back in the day so it was easier to run into other neighborhood kids to share interests in the same games and it was just a game of learning things yourself then having cheat-sheets & pokemon experts online that promote said broken OP`mons for the latest generation, sometimes within the first 3 days of the game`s release. -The fact that even if games these days have alot more content, a good deal of them are just purposely engineered to be walking simulators more then actual gameplay especially when they are promoted as `open world games.` -Plus likely a much more etc.s in place.

[@Kanbei11]

It has been a thing since the start. Don't forget that a series staple is to release the same game twice with the only difference being to arbitrarily assign Pokémon as exclusive forcing trades. The recent decompilation has shown that the same source code will build both red and blue

[@tpfoxCastro]

@@BladeSerph 40 to 60 bucks isn't that big of an increase, espicially with inflation

[@tpfoxCastro]

I agree. This is a problem that always existed. To add on your comment, another reason recent and harder to obtain pokemon are so strong is just so people use them. You can see this in modern pokemon better, for example, the last 3 pseudos have signature moves and the reason for that is to motivate the player to use them. After so many pseudos the term "pseudo-legendary" isn't that special, after so many starters they aren't that special anymore so, new moves and abiities have to be made so they are interesting. The developers want people to use the new pokemon and for that they need to give pokemon new type combinations, new moves, new abilities and much more, not to force people to buy the game, but to force people to play the game without their old Sword and Shield team. In resume, pokemon like Ogerpon are not locked in the DLC because they are super strong, they are super strong because they are locked in the DLC

[@TheMissingLink2]

Bro, this is VERY untrue. The top Mon in Gen 1 were Mewtwo, Tauros, Snorlax, Persian, Alakazam, Zapdos, Chansey, Rhydon, Cloyster, Jolteon, Exeggutor, Starmie, Slowbro, and Jynx..... You don't have to trade a single damn one to get in the game...... Sure, Gengar was an OU mon you needed to trade for, but basically it was the only one. Sure Machamp and Golem were also trade pokemon, but they were not nearly as good or staple as the mon I just listed. So they weren't a requirement to build a good team. Besides, there a buttload of other Pokemon that were just as viable such a Dragonite, Gyarados, Charizard, Lapras, Venusaur and so on..... You don't know very much about Gen 1 competitive play at all.....

[@user-di6ml6be8x]

Technically, you can get any of these pokemon for free. 1.Just catch a ditto 2.go to a high-level tournament with those pokemon 3.??? 4.Profit

[@Mr.Brothybear]

Hehehe Ditto go brrrrr

[@TSfish94]

I love the idea of finding f2p solutions to teams. Reminds me of trying to figure out how to work around not having 3 copies of archetype playmakers or staples in duel links

[@MyBlackguy]

Something that I didn’t realize was that you’re actually locked out of certain Tms if you don’t have the dlc. I was trying to get grassy glide for rillaboom and can’t because it’s in the teal mask area.

[@Totama1996]

You didnt mention this but funnily enough even if you get traded ogrpon it wouldnt matter since if you dont complete the DLC you cant get the masks, crippling ogrpon. Its funny to me you missed this as you called it out prior with calyrex. (Unless the masks are tradeable aswell but then thats more trading youd have todo

[@Chaos_Contingency]

Calyrex has got those horses in the back. Literally.

[@Kasaaz]

It's why I stopped playing in competitive. It became too difficult to just experiment with and build the teams. Even if you then shell out for the games, the cost in extra TIME for them is just too much.

[@DerToasti]

i don't play competitive but just thinking about having to keep up with the meta and memorize all these weird new pokemon with oddly specific mechanics makes my head spin.

[@Geezgio]

⁠@@DerToastiYeah competitive is tough to get want to get into but I like to think that Pokémon “meta” is just a suggestion for the sole reason being what you just stated saying they’re oddly specific. Pokémon’s meta are way too fragile in my opinion to even call them a meta. Also 9 outtta 10 times there is an obvious counter to the meta too.

[@MatthewRStevens]

Not saying you're wrong because you're definitely not but showdown adding best of 3 open team sheet is at least the communities way if making it easier to experiment, practice and build teams

[@Kasaaz]

Yah, I just mean I live in CT, and Hartford was easy to get to, but the idea of ever traveling somewhere for another live event no longer holds any interest for me because it feels like I would have to play a suboptimal team or risk being disqualified for some Wonder Traded 'mon in one of my 30ish boxes. They could also implement the same team and box lock they've had for the last few generations, but instead they make players enforce the rules with Team Sheets.

[@TheDancingTuber161]

Honestly, at least Calyrex and Ogerpon follow the basic rules of invulnerability. Urshifu doesn’t, and it is by far one of if not the most broken Pokémon GF has ever made, and they seem relatively content with it considering they barely toned the damn thing down this gen despite mass complaints about it… Ogerpon and Calyrex are balanced compared to Urshifu!

[@bruh_beans_1018]

The sad part is they "nerfed" the wrong form for Urshifu. Urshifu Single Strike had it's Wicked Blow's base power nerfed by like 15-20 base power, but Rapid Strike (which saw more general usage iirc) wasn't touched at all

[@TheDancingTuber161]

@@bruh_beans_1018 And even then Single Strike is still pretty damn good, just not as used I think because it just doesn't have as much to synergize with. Rapid Strike has way too many options and it basically made most offensive water types completely unviable compared to it because it does their job more effectively. Urshifu would've been more balanced if they had just nerfed their signature moves more significantly than they did, and maybe just nerfing their beyond broken ability...

[@benjaminhoeckel7590]

Calyrex shadow was crazy last gen. I’m curious how well it’s going to perform this generation. You can spam specs tera ghost asteral barrage and tear holes in teams or do something similar how people are running spectier. A bulky Mon behind screens with nasty plot and tera fairy draining kiss to stay alive. I like both sets

[@ohyeawooyea7708]

It's banned

[@samuelbutler3332]

​@@ohyeawooyea77088n competitive singles. In vgc we're allowed to use it during restricted formats.

[@Zaceean]

Incineroar 2 is gonna be a menace

[@Pheonix686]

At least this gen you can just tera normal and shut that crap down right away

[@nerdyfalco408]

Tera normal incinearoar 💀

[@karhall1635]

It is genuinely insane that there's no way to obtain these meta-defining Pokemon natively in the game that competitions are held in.

[@horsest7289]

ready to forgive oras yet?

[@UltraBall23]

Legends will be in game in a month.

[@EmersonCRVG]

It is insane that in a game about trading people complain that the company wants you to trade

[@HolzAlaska]

@@EmersonCRVG you mean the same company which let genned pokomen go rampant even on their own online trading platform and than bans people, because they suddenly a invented a gen detector for one tournament?

[@Julius72958]

@@EmersonCRVG Do you think people will trade dlc legendaries that can only obtained once ? especially when they are meta threats

[@MoxieBoosted]

Gonna be real here, i pulled every punch. This was very lukewarm criticism. Just stating the strength of paywalled pokemon, not making any judgments.

[@KnightofChaosDeck]

... "Pay to Win" That is literally a judgment in and of itself. The term's use is meant to be a negative judgement, implying that the act of making them strong but needing you to buy the DLC is morally wrong. And if you 'pulled every punch', why is there no mention that you don't need to download the DLC to obtain a Pokemon from the DLC, just to get them in game? Trading to get the Pokemon you need is a common thing after all.

[@Mijzelffan]

any reason you skipped the galatian birds, is it because they were also made available through event?

[@Thund3rDrag0n12]

​@@KnightofChaosDeckWho the hell is gonna trade you their Urshifu or Ogerpon?

[@Thund3rDrag0n12]

​@@MijzelffanNah. They just suck competitively

[@Mijzelffan]

@@Thund3rDrag0n12 weakness policy galatian moltres was a huge threat with dynamax what are you on

[@Mapple-qp6yg]

Don’t forget a ton of items that reduce the grind needed to raise Pokemon are also locked behind the DLC. So Competitive players who buy the DLC have an advantage their too

[@angsleeper6588]

To be fair even without dlc it takes maybe 20 minutes at most

[@BriarBeeBenson]

@@angsleeper658820 minutes per Pokémon adds up though and is enough of a deterrent for competitive players to not try out new teams or strategies. A lot of competitive players have lives and don’t get paid to play Pokémon fulltime like content creators do. They have kids and jobs etc

[@littensalt]

Theres been a bunch of discussion on twitter on if urshifu is making the game unfun and the fact that if you wanna use it in a tournament you have to either gen or pay $90 at the very least(if you dont have swsh or its dlc) doesnt help either

[@the7569]

Okay but that $90 includes the base game which is $60. Were you not already going to spend $60 to play the game that you want to play competitively lol? Like I don't think that should even be counted lol

[@jarredbaligod3963]

@@the7569swsh is a separate game + dlc that someone would have to buy if they want to be competitive with SV. That’s the issue is that so many of these competitive mons require someone to buy extra games.

[@iancastro1327]

I already paid that just for fun bc i like pkmn and i dont compete honestly they have to stop crying

[@byzantine5761]

@@the7569 I mean, Urshifu is unavailable in Gen 9 without transferring from Pokemon Home, so while rare, some people don't own SwSh but still want to play SV and still want to play competitive. Therefore, yes its $90, but on average, yeah its probably just $30. Still, $30 for a meta-defining Pokemon is wild when the games arent free-to-play (I mean, paid things that give competitive advantages are already wild, but on top of a game that costs money???)

[@jarredbaligod3963]

@@iancastro1327I love Pokémon, buy the games for fun too, and don’t compete. But not everyone does that. Some people find competitive fun, so if they want to be viable in one game why should they pay extra money on another game?

[@Mimiyan_or_Pikapikafan]

Literally just bought the DLC for Violet just because Ogerpon is something i feel is mandatory to at least have an option

[@TbdPonchoBillionaire]

I went through the same thing.. look I adore competitive but I’m not much of a competitor. But if I want to keep up AT ALL, yeah I’m gonna buy that DLC.

[@Mimiyan_or_Pikapikafan]

@@TbdPonchoBillionaire yeah exactly... Also random question but do Switches starting after even the base model got an upgrade tend to have better battery life while playing SV? I was wondering because I literally got 90ish minutes (irl time) of playtime before my switch went from 100% to about 30-37%, and I'm wondering if that's a thing newer (as in even as early as a few months after I got mine because they upgraded stuff after my birthday of 2018) switches deal with or not when playing SV. Because I literally actually had to charge my switch during my first VGC event (a Premier level event) recently and barely made it, it was unironically kind of stressful.

[@KhalylSteward]

Lol I've been destroying ogerpons with pokemon I just wanted to use. I have dlc but the only pokemon I used from it is ninetales

[@Mimiyan_or_Pikapikafan]

@@KhalylSteward are you destroying them in VGC? And with what? And how many times have you lost to them? Definitely feels like something is missing here

[@KhalylSteward]

@@Mimiyan_or_Pikapikafan mb thought we were talking about online

[@JameShark_]

Regulation D was 100% Pay to Win for any Pokémon not in the Paldea dex

[@bdb7185]

So you saying you pay for a pokemon you going to win?! Loser arguments.

[@SPZ-gv2on]

​@@bdb7185You could not use many meta pokemon unless you bought more unrelated pokemon games. You were at a direct disadvantage if you didn't spend more money. That's the definition of pay to win.

[@JameShark_]

@@bdb7185 that’s not what I’m saying. Following the “Pay to Win” argument he said in the video, with how the game currently is, Rillaboom, Heatran, Urshifu, Cresselia, Enamorus, Ursaluna base form, and many others aren’t obtainable without transferring from past games. $90 for Sw/Sh + DLC to get Rillaboom, Urshifu, etc., and $60 for Legends Arceus to get Ursaluna base form and Enamorus. Without paying for those games, those are out of the question for your team building, and you are factually at a disadvantage being unable to consider them.

[@hephsforge9236]

@@bdb7185That just sounds like you don’t know what “pay to win” means lmao.

[@_G50_]

@@JameShark_ um nearly all of those are in pokemon GO which was not payment.

[@turtlenator6249]

Still annoys me that Regieleki, one of my favorite Gen 8 Pokémon, got the equity nerf, but Zamazenta got the guilt by association nerf. At the very least they should of just removed all the stats from Special Attack. Not like it was using it much in the first place.

[@cofusiew5172]

There was talks of Zamazenta in OU at one point. That poor doggo just cannot catch a break ever

[@SchlongDolphin]

Let’s just give Ogerpon a mask for each type, she deserves it

[@sketchydude8431]

May turn that into a drawing project some day (Even if I'm not great at drawing pokemon currently lol)

[@miimiiandco.8721]

Could be a cool thing with Terastalization. But then again, a random boost that you can't predict would probably be bad for the game.

[@duckymomo7935]

Idk how ogerpon will function after the mechanic is gone in the next games

[@RioIII]

Literally just spent the afternoon to building another urshifu, going through swsh story mode then going straight into isle of armor and completing everything to send kubfu to scarlet and violet.

[@bestaround3323]

One of the many reasons I am completely for genning pokemon

[@pokemans7705]

You barely need to start the story to get a bear. You super don't have to beat the game or even get 1 badge

[@kingrippzard2027]

@@pokemans7705the fact you have to play another game entirely is a problem bruh

[@pokemans7705]

@kingrippzard2027 it's been that way forever tho fam. I'm not saying it doesn't suck but that's always the gimmick of mons. Want a specific legendary? Whoops you need both games lmao. Urshifu is at least not a complete run through of a 2nd $60 game

[@kingrippzard2027]

@@pokemans7705 but there’s a difference between version exclusives compared to what we have now where you have to actively play and and buy the past games where as before (while still scummy) damn near everything you need could be found between the two main games. And yes while you don’t have to play threw all of SWSH for Urshifu, you still have to play multiple times for different sets. Same with the Calirex and the Regis.

[@mightyant4370]

Can't wait to see how bad Terapagos is going to be for the competitive scene

[@luluzin5022]

I bet Terapagos will have an ability that forbids your opponent from Terastalizing, or something broken like that 🤡

[@ilikeceral3]

Watch terapagos inexplicably be balanced and end up mid tier.

[@EzekielGrant-oy3rc]

@@luluzin5022I’ll come back to this comment on December 14th, and laugh in your face.

[@duckymomo7935]

@@luluzin5022the ability is defensive protean meaning it will change type defensively Terapagos will be immune to 8 types meaning you have to hit terapagos with nse hits but only from the other 10 types

[@duckymomo7935]

@@luluzin5022I was thinking of color guard ability which prevents type changes but I was wondering how that would interact with tera phenomenon

[@skrawvgc]

Where’s the OW2 VGC creator tour

[@1Henrink]

If the Pokemon companies don't even really care about making their games polished, I doubt they will try to appease the competitive scene. They always get the money so they won't change.

[@the7569]

The pokémon company isn't the one making the games, it's game freak. And also game freak does want to make their games polished, but it's the combination of the pokémon company and Nintendo breathing down their necks that makes it more difficult to do that. I promise you no developer wants to make a bad game, none of these people are lazy. They are just overworked, underpaid, and not given the respect they deserve because the games industry both in America and Japan is absolutely abysmal and its worker treatment.

[@1Henrink]

@@the7569 I know there is this distinction but the point goes more to the whole company, all of them (Nintendo, gamefreak and the Pokemon Company) since it's a corporate decision to what invest time and money want what not to.

[@zero1343]

@@the7569 They are 3 parts of the same whole and all to blame, its silly to give them a pass like that, this is the largest earning franchise in the world. and the folk at gamefreak definitely are not underpaid, we know what their starting salaries are due to recruitment.

[@the7569]

@@zero1343 for the amount of work they have to do? They absolutely are underpaid. You realize last year they came out with two open world games? Do you understand the amount of manpower that goes into making Open world games? The fact that Legends Arceus and Scarlet and Violet came out within a year of each other when we know that the development time on them was extremely short just shows how absurdly overworked these employees are. Yes they are all parts of a machine, however Nintendo specifically makes money just from publishing games and the pokémon company makes all their money from merchandising. The majority of money from merchandise does not go to game freak, and the majority of money this franchise makes does not come from video games. When you cite the fact that this is the highest earning franchise in the world, that's because of the trading parts and the plushies. It's not because of the video games, so obviously game freak is forced to push out games and an unhealthy rate, in order to make sure that the pokémon company can produce as many accessory items as possible. No game developer wants to make a poorly made game, no game developer wants to rush out a game, they are forced to by higher ups.

[@BladeSerph]

As some people said in other videos, Pokemon company LITERALLY makes more money in selling merchandise then it does games these days. So its quite obvious the focus is more on shipping out `marketable plushies` then caring to have what original it came from, the freakin game series, to keep up the tradition. This is why i expect them to likely push more and more for more broken as fk and `cute`sie` looking OP pokemon and reaching the `falling points` alot sooner where it turns into Yugioh, which is now just literally 10~40+ card loop spams in the FIRST TURN of a match and if your opponent doesnt have hand traps, a Max C, Effect Veiler, something similar to E.Veiler or so on, your likely utterly locked down and fk`d in the match, especially if your not playing a similar deck of broken`ness already. Games, especially on the competitive side should never escalate to where matches get sped to where its a instant win in what could be the first 5 minutes of a match, if you omit the time spent with retarded levels of setup that would normally not be possible if it wasnt for the fact every single `card` in someone`s deck didnt have 3+ sentences or longer of text that basically can be summaraized as: "HEY-O KIDDOS TIME TO PULL SOME GRADE SSS PLUS BULLSHITE!" `Hell, Calarex & its steeds, Urshifu, Ogrepon, The Sushi feesh & Giant catfish, Annihilape and basically the entire paradox pokemon line(plus a few others) is quite literally just that single quote and then some.

[@dorkenspache8353]

I think the other thing to stress is finding friends who did buy the DLC you can trust to trade you these mons or help you obtain certain mons

[@RFDN0]

I am the friend for my group. It sucks to be on this side at times.

[@dorkenspache8353]

@@RFDN0 I think the thing is Pokemon should just do what they did for Gen 6 and 7, ban the competitive formats to ONLY Pokemon native to the games until DLCs come out and give you new options. Because it's a given the 3rd versions/DLCs of a game or generation will make all legendary Pokemon available, they've always done the legendary gauntlet since ORAS (Gen 5 didn't really do a gauntlet given each legendary was an in game event)

[@hailthequeenFM]

​@@dorkenspache8353that's what they did for Reg. A and B, Reg. C had the ruin quartet, Reg. D had Home, and Reg. E had DLC.

[@RFDN0]

@dorkenspache8353 That had honestly been my thought when regulation D was first released. Wouldn't help my situation as my friend group protest the concept of DLC in general.

[@ddgnp1057]

@@RFDN0 You need new friends mate, and not online ones.

[@bread7259]

Not defending the way GF is handling these Pokemon, but Home is not a pay wall if you're just transferring from Switch titles. It is for the small total of Pokemon not currently available, though

[@Eroil]

Don't you need to buy home though?

[@hailthequeenFM]

~60% of all Pokémon are not in Scarlet/Violet though.

[@bread7259]

@@Eroil Home has a paid subscription that makes it actually fully functional, but you can download and use parts for free including one full box for storage and being able to transfer between Switch games

[@bread7259]

@@hailthequeenFM Yeah, but they aren't usable in VGC anyways so it's not really relevant to the discussion

[@hailthequeenFM]

@@bread7259 They are literally held hostage if you are transferring more than 30 Pokemon you have to pay or spend 30+ minutes switching between different games and pokemon home.

[@Kuribohdudalala]

This just gives me more incentive to keep genning my mons. I’m gonna enjoy keeping my money, thanks

[@SaltyMaud]

Sucky thing is a CFW Switch isn't nearly as easily accessible as SFW 3DS was (given that you need an old V1 Switch for a software mod, or do a hardmod), SV doesn't support LAN mode anymore so you can't trade from emulator save, and I don't trust tradebots, latest handler being a tradebot is a dead giveaway for a illegitimate pokemon.

[@ezzzzyyy]

Yes, like HUH??? how the HECK does urshifu even EXIST??

[@zero1343]

They were all monsters in singles as well. I also have to say how much I miss the days with the GTS, could offer version exclusives or otherwise rare pokemon and get most of what you needed without having to pay anything extra.

[@toxic0470]

Isn't that on home mobile?

[@thefrontier2288]

​@toxic0470 who... who uses home mobile?

[@toxic0470]

@@thefrontier2288 some people do

[@ericrutherford553]

In gen 4 and 5 Eruption Heatran was pretty big, and it was only obtainable by transferring from one of the Ranger games. I'd say that is the first pay to win pokemon.

[@XeoKnight]

I swear Heatran is available without Ranger in post game? Only Manaphy was locked behind a pay wall

[@WojtekGoose]

Yes but normally Heatran can't learn Eruption. The only way it could have that move is if you got the Heatran from one of Pokemon Ranger games ​@@XeoKnight

[@xdress1746]

Heatran is available, but ERUPTION Heatran isn’t. Though I don’t know why it’s even been brought up. Eruption heatran was terrible.

[@MT-or3kz]

Is it bad that I give Gamefreak/Pokemon Company the benefit of the doubt that... they probably didn't think once about the effect on competitive. I would be it was more like, "let's put something really cool and strong in the DLC" Worse in some ways, but also maybe less smarmy?

[@GrandHac]

You can literally say this about every competitive game since 2009. Have you seen Smash fans complain about Steve and Kazuya or Strive with Happy Chaos. Devs don't have this magical foresight to see what's broken, just to react to the aftermath.

[@Eroil]

That's a lot of benefit of the doubt that you're giving them, it's being going on for years now and people complain about it a ton and nothing changes. Now I'm not saying it is all malicious but there are obvious problems not being addressed here, and when they make it so hard to get some of these Pokemon and heavily punish players that try to go around it it's a safe assumption something is up

[@BladeSerph]

If they actually left the old stuff in and had the old QoL mechanics carried over to the next base game instead of either removing it, re-selling it as `paid DLC` or in the best case scenario, patching it in likely at the END of the game`s lifespan because they will always kill off the game in basically a year for an entirely new game effectively, granted maybe im mixing up the actual release dates. But with how pokemon games come out, it seems like a yearly process, even if its actually every 2 years. Still doesnt excuse the fact they now `Dex it exclude` previous pokemon which acts as a artifical giant FK YOU slap against competitive & collection lovers, just for the sake of likely doing significantly less work, then maybe give a reason for the extra costs by investing in BETTER cartridge materials for a bigger GB size to allow all the Pokemanz to be present and just lock most via national dex or have to be `traded in` like usual, by not being native to the region normally.

[@afro025]

....just hack them in y'all 💀 90% of the competitive scene does it. Every person that became world champion did it. And it's pretty much the only way to get mons ready for competitive play before the meta changes. By the time you finish making Ogerpon competitively viable with perfect IVs and your ideal EV spread and moveset, there'd already be a counter discovered for the Ogerpon you just finished grinding.

[@BladeSerph]

@@afro025 that’s the thing, they are now cracking down on those behaviors a lot more now. Which means they are likely to escalate it further. On top of that, they even have beef against unofficial tournaments which means if someone wants to host a tourney with previous games, the Pokémon company is highly likely to pull a cease and desist, which just leaves doing it via online or stuck doing it offical. Which at that point why the fk play it via the official games, people would rather just use the unofficial stuff instead which provides just that. But then the pokemon company is likely gonna crack down on that too eventually just like they did with many Pokémon ROM hacks and Fangames. It’s really going to show how much the Pokémon company not only wants players to NOT use 3rd party materials, but also force them to buy the games full priced, dlc included when the older stuff is either still at full price, whether it’s digital or the really old stuff is delisted, so you gotta chase down a super expensive copy off of Amazon, if they have not removed said game’s access to Pokémon home already for generation hopping transfers. Which since it’s all digital, means eventually just like DEX ITs, the Pokémon company will eventually shut down Pokémon home just like the previous stuff, to put a new ver on a different console but likely to forget to include permanent transfer from the older hub to the newer one.

[@godaelite]

What you’re talking about is not wrong but if we compare to other generations, things used to be even more problematic. For example, in 7th gen you had to buy the ultra sun/moon to keep playing competitively even if you already bought the first ones. Now you only need to upgrade your game with the dlc. In fact you don’t even require the dlc to play. Also you can create more accounts on your switch, play the games, catch multiple legendaries and trade them through pokemon home. Not that it is fun or fast, but you do have more and cheaper options. What really bothers me is when strong legendaries from past gen are not available in game like urshifu and regieleki and yet are allowed on teams. But lets be honest, what can you expect from a competitive format where if you mess up with EVs (specifically zero speed EVs) when capturing a legendary you’re doomed using it?

[@hailthequeenFM]

Can't for Terapagos to break VGC and Smogon on it's non-existent kneecaps.

[@franslair2199]

terapagos will get quickbanned to Ubers there's no two ways about it

[@cooler5827]

"Yes, it could be worse, I play overwatch 2" FELT THAT LMAO

[@oliverschultz2631]

Gee, I wonder why so many people only play the older games. Really hard to see the decline.

[@skyrimlover777]

He's talking about competative, you dont play older games for competative, if you do you aren't playing the game you're playing the format on showdown.

[@Titan990]

The series sales were declining until Gen 6 where they stabilized. They have been up since.

[@oliverschultz2631]

@@skyrimlover777 I mean if tons of Pokemon are busted beyond comprehension, that affects casual play too- but yeah tons of people still play the older generations' competitive formats, for those exact reasons. Combine that with almost universally awful Pokemon designs, poorly implemented gimmicks that just get tossed in the garbage with the next generation, shitty 3D graphics, and Nintendo being a flaming trash bin of a company and yeah, it's pretty easy to see why most fans over the age of 14 don't like or play the modern games.

[@oliverschultz2631]

@@Titan990 right, except that's not remotely true? RGBY and GSC have had the most exceptionally high sales of the series with 46 and 30 million copies sold respectively. Since then every Pokemon game has sold almost the same number of copies, ranging from 23-26 million. The only outlier during this time was Gen 6's X/Y (which was not the series stabilizing, I don't even know how you came to that conclusion) where the sales tanked to 17 million before recovering with Gen 8. Notably Gens 3-4 (what most older fans consider to be when the series was actually good) had 23 and 26 million units sold respectively, compared to the 23 million units of the latest game, Scarlet and Violet. Now, you could argue that this only shows that the games aren't less popular, but with context it absolutely does. The earlier games were released during the early 2000s video game crash, when a series of bad releases from a number of companies gave video games a bad reputation and sales tanked. Gen 1 and 2 release before the crash, and they're still the most that any Pokemon game has ever sold, dramatically more sales than the modern games. Gen 3 and to a lesser affect Gen 4 are affected by the crash, but their sales are still equal to the modern games. Since then, the video game industry has changed from being a niche hobby/way of entertaining children to a powerhouse, being larger than movies and TV put together. Modern games basically always outperform older ones, because there's just more people interested in buying video games. In spite of that, Pokemon game sales haven't increased since then. People just don't like pretty much anything Pokemon has been doing since Gen 4 (or 5, people usually draw the cutoff after one of those two games) and it reflects in the sales.

[@EzekielGrant-oy3rc]

@@oliverschultz2631Pokémon fans who are older Either A, complain about Mike existent issues, minor bugs, or glitches most people search for, to only be “surprised” when they find it. B, complain about graphics which aren’t even that bad, and use PS5 and Xbox as comparisons, which is unrealistic in itself. C, complain about “busted” Pokémon, which aren’t even busted, tyranitar has been busted since 1999, venasaur has been effective as hell since 1996, old Pokémon are clearly holding on with ease against newer pokemon. It’s factual that any decent Pokémon can be made good, and any good Pokémon can be made great. Pokémon if anything has calmed down on broken Pokémon, they removed megas, Z moves and regional gimmicks (from the previous gen) for a reason. Also man said universally awful Pokémon designs, that’s mad. Your argument dates back to 1996, you really still complaining about awful designs 25+ years later? Funny.

[@enderethan229]

I’m just waiting for the Protect clone that simultaneously sets up Rage Powder. Blocks all damage while directing any attack towards itself. Gonna be greeeeeaaaaat…

[@banana-iy9qj]

5:41 how is pokemon home a paywall? i've only ever used pokemon home for free, and i transfered my urshifu into scarlet and violet without spending anything?

[@NoRoomForErrorAgain]

One GTS Box, Three Wonder Boxes, one Basic Box without paying. It's still really good though without paying.

[@EmersonCRVG]

even the dlc complaint is weird considering that pre switch it was much worse with third versions

[@zero1343]

@@EmersonCRVG interestingly in a lot of places its actually more expensive with the dlc now compared to how it was back then. You used get them for 30-35 each usually, so 60-70 whereas today its 80-90 for the base game and the dlc.

[@KnightofChaosDeck]

@@zero1343 That's not really taking into account inflation, which makes the games around $50 today. You'd also have to buy both Ruby/Sapphire and Emerald for all the Hoenn Pokemon as well as Fire Red/Leaf Green for all the Pokemon (assuming you have a friend who will trade version exclusives). Altogether that's 150 today-dollars. It gets even worse with later Gens since unlike buying the DLC, you have to buy the previous games too since many Pokemon in the Sinnoh, Unova, Kalos and Alola games can't be caught whatsoever. I don't know if the inflation part is valid. But I do know that the DLCs are by far the better alternative than 'if you want to get into competitive during gens 3-7, drop about half a paycheck. BTW we don't improve the grinding until Gen 6.'

[@Titan990]

⁠​⁠@@KnightofChaosDeckand that’s not even talking about pre DS Pokémon trading. You had to: 1. Buy all the versions. 2. Buy a whole other console and 3. Buy a link cable. All to trade Pokémon into a single version. Hell I haven’t even talked about the side games where you can get exclusive Pokemon.

[@Syrius_Li]

It’s absolutely wild the Shadow Calyrex got green lit

[@itsjust_vega]

I think ogrepon was made to counter urshifu specifically the water one coz it essentially can touch the water mask version and grass is super effective and imo the water on e is more meta

[@immortaliron2475]

God I can’t wait for these guys to come to go so we can get them quickly and consistently.

[@wteviper2]

Ogerpon hearthflame was banned in singles because it had crazy set diversity, 1.2x attack for existing, free attack boost from terastilize, 100 base power fire move with no drawback, really good on sun teams, mold breaker went though heatrans flash fire so sets with ivy cudgle and horn leech werent walled, and it gets boosted by sun

[@afvpegknight]

Smogon isn't official. People are still using everything Smogon banned on the official games in singles. And on that simulator smogon runs you can make any team you want without paying lol.

[@wteviper2]

@@afvpegknight I am aware that smogon is unofficial, just mentioning how it's op in those formats

[@hologram3659]

Wouldn't bloodmoon urshluna be pay to win. It is now one of the stamples on trick room

[@SkellyBobRoss]

As someone that is trying to learn competitive pokemon this is something I'm struggling with. I had to buy Shield to unsure I was legit because I don't want TPC to kick me out of world's (not that i'd make it). I've been fighting to get myself the Forces of Nature because I never played that generation.

[@lamborn3D]

They're in Legends: Arceus, and can be traded from Home (which has a free version that would facilitate that). That's still another game you'd have to buy, but at least it's on the same console. It's also really fun, but I could see buying it to get a Landorus, rather than because you actually wanted to buy it, souring that a bit.

[@SkellyBobRoss]

@@lamborn3D I did purchase Arceus, I never got far in it. I get too distracted to make any progress.

[@lamborn3D]

@@SkellyBobRoss Fair enough.

[@Redpanda9791]

Husui is technically gen 8 btw. But it get that your focusing on the formats they're playable in.

[@spacejay89]

Subscribed. You are magnificent with it bro keep it up

[@enric0392]

I’m so sorry for your loss (playing Overwatch 2)

[@FrogNatural]

TBF pay to win DLC is fairly common these days. Look at smash 4 Bayo or Smash Ultimate Steve.

[@the7569]

DLC is the norm in every video game nowadays, and what we get is way better than the alternative. This DLC isn't just new pokémon for competitive. It is entirely new stories, entire areas to explore, a bunch new pokémon to team build with, and a bunch of fun extra features. Most games nowadays don't have DLC that actually adds to the game. It's either just new characters, clothes, or in-game money. I would much rather have this DLC that is actually quite good, over in-app purchases or microtransactions

[@GS_CCC]

Smash dlc is not like pokemon, you don't have to buy a second game + dlc to use dlc characters in smash ultimate, you just need ultimate and the season passes.

[@the7569]

@@GS_CCC what do you mean a second game plus DLC? You only need to buy the main game (which you already own) And the $30 DLC pack to CATCH the new pokémon. You don't even have to buy the DLC to use them, You can trade for them. You do not need a second game, if you are talking about version exclusive pokémon You can always just trade for those.

[@lorenzobusato7544]

that's why i love smogon

[@RebornDPK]

the amount of hackmon is all-time high.

[@DJPrimeAmvs]

Ah i remember the days of USUM where people complained that it shouldve been dlc....only to complain about SWSH having dlc calling it a cash grab ._.

[@kikitanda4024]

The USUM complaint was that those games did not have enough content to be stand alone games. They should have been base game (Sun/Moon) DLC. SWSH are also bare bone games that are glitchy and poorly made that should have had a bunch of the DLC content baked into the game. If you actually try to understand each complaint, you'll realize they're not contradictory.

[@DJPrimeAmvs]

@@kikitanda4024 swsh wasn't glitchy at all.

[@TheDeathmail]

I honestly wish Pokemon did both the DLC and 3rd version. Like, the DLC to boost the games, but a 3rd version once all updates were complete that also allow you to gain all Pokemon from both versions and the DLC as a definitive edition...

[@the7569]

But why? If they can update the game and make both versions essentially definitive versions just through DLC what's the point of making another $60 game? I would much rather just buy the game, and then get the DLC which essentially turns that game into the definitive version.

[@GS_CCC]

@@the7569 we end up having 2 unfinished games wirh dlc, it is way better to get an emerald or platinum than nothing.

[@comedian94]

Not too mention the box legendaries and genie trio which have been meta staples of the past 2 gens despite not bein in either base game

[@3possumsinatrenchcoat]

"a powerful ice type that asked the question: 'what if ice types weren't bad?'" :')

[@HikasCorner]

Imagine not genning

[@hisnameiskish4874]

With how the World Championship went down I think a lot of players who are trying to take competing seriously are really going out of their way to make sure everything they have is legit.

[@Andrew-ch3xj]

​@@hisnameiskish4874nintendo wants moneyyy

[@_G50_]

I'll stay a lifetime purist thanks.

[@andrewharris1344]

I think the problem is they allow urshifu and calyrex in gen 9 competitive without having them be accessible in SV. While I personally like the Pokémon I feel they should have only been allowed in gen 8 competition even if they can be transferred from home. Or until they release a Tera raid for them

[@Yangblaze11]

I agree, this is the actual issue with how they rotate pokemon into a format.

[@afvpegknight]

Well in indigo disk kubfu is coming back so people will be able to obtain urshifu.

[@andrewharris1344]

@@afvpegknight true but they should’ve waited until then to allow it for tournament use.

[@afvpegknight]

@@andrewharris1344 most people playing vgc should easily be able to pay 30 bucks to get those pokemon if they don't already own them, considering they are willing to pay expensive logistical costs to play vgc that are far more expensive than 30 bucks. (Plane tickets, hotels, food, time not at work etc)

[@Eroil]

Ah, the classic pay to compete at the same level and if you want to go around it they can disqualify you for cheating. Perfect

[@Kasaaz]

I'll still do ranked with Rental Teams, etc. And I like to watch/follow. It's not just the cost in money, but also in time. I doubt I'll buy the expansion pass for Scarlet and Violet and I'm definitely NOT shelling out for Arceus just to get access to those mons. I tried using Pokemon Home to trade for what I need, but then Worlds happened, and it's no longer safe to use traded mons.

[@gthedon__]

It could be way worse. You could be playing a sports games esport

[@nerdyfalco408]

I think the loyal three were some kind of experiment from GF, they feel like they were supposed to be incredibly broken with their ability but they were tone down to not power creep the format too much, even ogerpon, with its great but not busted stats feels like that. I'm afraid that, since nobody is using the loyal three and ogerpon hasn't broken the meta yet, they're going to let the breaks loose for terapagos and whatever other shit is going to be in the final dlc

[@miimiiandco.8721]

I'm not sure what you mean by Ogerpon isn't breaking the meta. Yeah it's no Flutter Mane, but 26.90% for Wellspring usage ain't bad at all.

[@nerdyfalco408]

@@miimiiandco.8721 I never said it's bad, I just mean it's not evercentralizing. It's a threat you need to manage, like any other offensive threat. It's very good, it's top 12, but it ain't ushifu, you know?

[@rodimusunicronus2089]

I say bloodmoon ursuluna have some value here despite not being a legendary it's still currently one per game lock behind dlc, having access to an ability like scrappy, incredibly bulky and special offensive, a chocie spec tera normal hyper voice can ohko fluttermane, urshifu, ogerpon

[@Docsfortune]

For calyrex just run wide guard, Urshifu run a scarfed dual wing beat, and ogrepon use run freeze-dry iron bundle.

[@vbun4662]

Yea I definitely would say if you want to call new Pokemon "pay to win" then that's just the model the franchise has been built on since the very beginning. If anything it's gotten a bit cheaper since moving to the DLC model instead of a third version. Also Pokemon Home is free for 30 slots and you could farm Urshifu on a second account in about 30-45 minutes, transfer it to Home, delete your save and get another one. Then you've got stuff to start trading with.

[@tylerd1297]

I dont see black 2 white 2 as 3rd games.. yeah its the same region but its not even same ballpark as say, Red vs Yellow or Silver vs Crystal. So much new content, really the only thing weve ever seen like it in the series.

[@trip1295]

On the way to 500,000 subscribers, mans has the pokeaim script ready!

[@gemkas5907]

That's a clean thumbnail! 🔥🔥

[@Koc3813]

Pokemon GO players:

[@fernandovelazquez4440]

That time when Carbink was the best Pokémon in the game but no one got it except the ones who paid for it

[@_V.Va_]

GameFreak: It seems that the new Pokemon may be underperforming/overpowered... Well, see you in the next $30-$60 "Balance Patch"! And MAYBE we'll do some revisions.

[@wario1226]

I'm really excited for the Indigo Disk, supposedly the Gen 8 dlc mons will be available in the legendary hunting mechanic

[@starsbeforelife421]

The Indigo Disk has added more to this list lol.

[@ulises2986]

All valid discussion in the vid but pokemon home isn’t a paywall if you’re only looking to transfer pokemon, since you can do that for free

[@nathanarcher5292]

Video starts at 0:00

[@TunaBear64]

2:55 You saying it like third versions generally added new Pokémon

[@jacksonp12345]

Maybe a future counter to the urshifu spam is a mon that incorporates lucky chant in some way.

[@Krazykarlton]

Yea good point victini should be aloud. -It’s weak to both urshifu so it’s balanced -Has very interesting tools that like nothing we’ve seen -I think it’s pretty neat

[@kekcola]

wake up babe, new moxie boosted video

[@khabigg9510]

You actually don’t need to pay for Pokémon home to send in and out of games. I sent most of my swsh Pokémon to sv with just the basic box

[@UrsanCorsair]

With the power creep i can very well see 4th evo lines to be thing within a couple gens 😂

[@pokemercenary6511]

I think the TCG is the same. Yea, you can build any deck, but certain cards have a very distinct advantage.

[@floorpanel8749]

Well, making the pokemon free would nullify the reason for buying the dlc, especially if you have them while doing the storyline. I could see them as gift mons but having a solid way to get them for free would ruin the experience. Imo tpc should just make brackets for dlc and non dlc competitions

[@bdb7185]

Exactly ppl are entitled and are losers

[@Mr.Brothybear]

Bit harsh but I get it

[@7Sarutan7]

why not make them obtainable through an episode ? like delta episode in oras ?

[@Axelpvz2030]

Really this is just another reason for people to keep "hacking" their pokemon for events, not everyone wants or can pay for those mons, and not using them already puts you in disavantage in most cases

[@UltraBall23]

You can afford registration fees but not the game?

[@Andrew-ch3xj]

​@@UltraBall23lmao 60+35 is so much already. Maybe they hardly bought the game?

[@UltraBall23]

@@Andrew-ch3xj If they hardly bought the game, they definitely don't have the money for travel and registration fees.

[@SauteedJosh]

Scrimblo Bimblo is one of the words I’ve ever heard of all time

[@MonoHerobrine]

I always find it interesting to hear how competitive player see these Pokémon as, how to utilized them and how the competitive scene is handled. As a casual Pokémon player, I think that if a Pokémon can be used in the game, then there should at least be a way to get it within the game itself. As an example, if someone had skipped out on Sword/Shield and went straight into Scarlet/Violet, they wouldn't have access to the legendries within those games without buying them and their DLC. So why not update Scarlet/Violet to have "Legendary Islands" you can travel to to obtain them, a bit like the Hoopa rings in OrAs or the Ultra Worm Holes in Ultra sun/Moon. Also, can we just make mythicals available to catch in the main game without some limited timed event, the amount of them I've missed so far. True, they have made some available like Deoxys and Celebi (till Back closes), Keldeo, Mew, etc. But you need other games to get them, plus there are still plenty of them that haven't had this treatment like Hoopa, Diancie, Zeraora, etc.

[@RatedR4Ruby]

People really out here complaining about minimal changes in usum,like bro tell me what the fuck changed in crystal

[@DrawnToast]

Crystal is the definitive way to play Gen 2, so I don't really know why you're bringing that game up, really. Only reason why someone would hate Crystal if you like Mareep... since it's missing in the wild.

[@AshleyWilliamsN7]

The pokemon got new animated sprites, and you could play as a girl. Also Crystal was one game, USUM was two. A fairer comparison would be White 2/Black 2 which changed a lot from the originals.

[@RatedR4Ruby]

@@AshleyWilliamsN7 two games,but besides poketubers who the fuck ever gets both?that's on y'all at that point

[@AshleyWilliamsN7]

@@RatedR4Ruby I don't know the ratio, but my point was your comparison to Crystal is much better applied to Black2/White2.

[@Err0_Will]

Crystal was at least made before you could just patch a game or add DLC so it has an excuse for coming out separately. They couldn't just patch Gold/Silver and give it to you without making a brand new copy, finding a way to transfer the save between the old and new copies, and make sure every old version was no longer available so people don't mistakenly get that version

[@Erikuzuma]

Technically every pokemon is a pay to win pokemon since you have to buy the game to get it.

[@Ray-hx3rm]

I’m still shocked someone handed me their 30 dollar bear for an iron leaves.

[@vo1ce147]

meanwhile Brian try to give people helping hand

[@Kavewolf1989]

I dont really get the arguement....paywall = buying the game/expansion? If you dont buy the game at all you get no access to the competstive scene at all and thats not a paywall its buying the game. Saying you are paying 30 dollars for urshifu is not true either because you still get the whole expansion as a game. And even if you dont value the gsme experience you dont just get 1 urshifu you get infinite amounts of all available pokemon of interest within the game. Its not like just a single pokemon is dlc available for 30 dollars for a one time purchase.

[@kikitanda4024]

What? Of course you have to buy the game to play competitively the issue is that required Pokemon for any competitive team are locked behind multiple $30 paywalls ALONG with needing the older games because you can't obtain them in the single $60 game you already bought. It sounds like you didn't get the argument at all.

[@kikitanda4024]

And no you don't get "infinite amounts" of Pokemon almost every single Pokemon outside of the new legendary ate garbage in VGC and you can only get 1 DLC Legendary Pokemon per save, which means that if it has crap stats you're screwed.

[@GhGh-gq8oo]

Cope. Genning is still cheating. Every game costs money to be at a pro level and Pokémon is probably the cheapest of the cheap. Reminder that Wolfe glick genned Pokémon for years.

[@MoxieBoosted]

I dont gen but okay

[@foxshinehiyaa3933]

Ok verlisify fan so it's okay to pay 120 dollars just for having 2 or 3 mons for you ? That a massive dick riding for gamefreak that you doing

[@x0habiib0x]

Enamorus is also one per save file. I beat all games twice so I can trade my friends our exclusives and have multiples in Home.

[@outrageouslamp4539]

I wonder how good the new paradox mons will be.walking wake will probably be in the DLC, so it's like a pay to win unless you've had the game for a while and got it during the event raid.

[@Zeo--]

And in G9 we have bolt beam Regieleki or bolt blast wich got banned pretty quickly.

[@vivyaann]

youve GYATT to be RIZZING me!

[@mattmanley7118]

Interesting and well said Moxie

[@Pokemichael]

6:30 “im gonna say it stupid” proceeds to pronounce it correctly