What is the Worst Starter Pokemon?

[@FalseSwipeGaming]

Singles 🤝Doubles Meganium is the worst starter

[@gRADkar]

Waiting for the return of triple battles

[@Thatoneguy15547]

You know I'm waiting for quad battles-

[@magdalenomartinezjr8805]

How unfortonate was Meganium actually?

[@grixan8012]

when Meganium gets a mega evolution in Legend's Z-A and becomes the best starter by far >>>>

[@kingambitreal]

​@@grixan8012No silly the three mega starters will be Mega Incineroar, Mega Charizard z and Mega Charizard A

[@posnasarma123]

Meganium: Aaah sheet here we go again....

[@Gloomy414]

my favourite starter is the worst one, but I don't care, I like my cool plant dinosaur!

[@1missing]

Yep, first thing I thought when I saw the video lol

[@atushbaanet4386]

Me too buddy ​@@Gloomy414

[@bobi200samatar6]

Honestly if it just had thick fat it would have more of a niche. As it is, there's no reason to use it

[@boredcryptek5513]

​@@Gloomy414If it makes you feel better every starter I have ever chosen is on this list xD.

[@nc7718]

It took wolfey 11 seconds to mention incineroar. I think that's a new record.

[@Pearl_Blossom]

A record for what? Fastest Incineroar mention or slowest Incineroar mention?

[@Gamermonkey-nq7wp]

@@Pearl_Blossomfastest

[@50_Lizardss]

furry bottom feeder

[@ahkwaheart]

​@@Pearl_Blossom slowest, duh. incineroar is made up of 10 letters, so mentioning it in exactly 11 is thinking outside of the box.

[@jaredriddle191]

I clicked on this video and immediately went looking in the comments for this

[@Mex_Luigi]

"Guys I'm not trying to make you mad" "Feraligatr? More like Garbage."

[@thejuiceking2219]

i mean feraligatr's one of those mons that's much better in singles than doubles, and even there it's mostly just 'we have gyarados at home'

[@gasketsnotyetblown9467]

@@thejuiceking2219cool opinion but wrong

[@thejuiceking2219]

@@gasketsnotyetblown9467 not really, both of them serve largely the same purpose as dragon dance sweepers, and gyarados having access to intimidate, making it easier to find setup opportunities, a dual typing giving it additional resistances to ground and fighting moves as well as a better speed tier generally makes gyarados superior in that role, with the only thing feraligatr having that gyarados doesn't being a priority move in aqua jet

[@polvocorrupto]

Meganium is so bad that it doesn't even get Pollen Puff. YES, a pokémon that is a literal pollen-head flower mixed with a dinossaur.

[@NotSnak]

Dude thats just sad.

[@ninguem-qh4kw]

skill issue

[@Roflmao6173]

meanwhile amoonguss the mushroom: has both spore and pollen puff

[@polvocorrupto]

@@Roflmao6173 🥲

[@javonyounger5107]

It's almost as if Gamefreak puts zero thought into pokemon stats and move pools.

[@niemandfaxenmindestlohn]

Making a 20 minute video where you just say "Meganium Meganium Meganium" was a bold choice but that's just the world champ difference

[@WhatNow505]

Making a 20 second comment just to make him/herself feel better was a bold choice just to make him/herself a abit superior bc he thinks otherwise. Lol but yeah , Meganium is bad, really bad.

[@HighHopes93]

Ay bruh issa meme

[@souljahwitchluv]

@@WhatNow505what ☠️ have you never been in a youtube comment section??? you would be livid in a fantano comment section 😭

[@saber5275]

​@@souljahwitchluvfantano comment section is wild LOL

[@Endershock1678]

@@souljahwitchluv My mans should never touch twitter. He would literally blow up at a single glance into the comments

[@10Bendog]

I have no idea what was the deal with the guy who assigned the stats for the Gen 7 Pokémon. Truly an unhinged individual. Like, why is everything so slow? Why is Silvally so mid?? And why, for fuck’s sake, did Decidueye’s stat spread absolutely go against its design as an agile archer owl???

[@Notarobot1006]

I remember when the gen 7 games were just coming out, everyone called it the Aslowla region.

[@fashlimakarim6757]

Fr, they did Vikavolt's speed dirty Well Vikavolt is fast in trickroom so...

[@robertharris6092]

I remmember hearing a lot of talk about power creep and them wanting to avoid it. Ironic with how stupidly strong gen 8s box legendarya are and their abilitys that are just a free stat boost ontop of their insane stats and amazing typings.

[@StoneTheCr0w]

The islands and legendaries were lame

[@lillyie]

@@StoneTheCr0w unless it's name is lunala

[@cowpolk5763]

That thumbnail suddenly took on a whole new relevance

[@saitama1010]

Yt has a sense of humour

[@Memesifoundonfacebook]

sceptile is strong, i literally one shotted elite four with only leaf blade😂 moveset: Dragon Claw, Leaf Blade, Mimic, Earthquake/Gigadrain

[@jason0803]

silence

[@SheklerStealerIII]

@@MemesifoundonfacebookSceptile is very usable and fun but the reason why it’s in the list is it has very steep competition especially compared to Blaziken and Swampert

[@alexramirez4502]

​@@Memesifoundonfacebook At lvl 70 even Beedrill can one shot the elite four 😭

[@valiantchris6456]

The "What Is The Best Starter Pokémon" video is basically a single 10 minute PNG of Incineroar.

[@MilkyWayGrump]

Unless we're talking for the campaign specifically, in which case Swampert takes the crown no contest (Meganium is still the worst in that case lol)

[@funninoriginal6054]

​@@MilkyWayGrumpI'd argue Infernape takes the spot for best starter for the story since he's both incredibly fast and hits like a truck, with so much coverage you can reliably sweep even the battles that give it the most trouble. The only thing Infernape dosen't have over Swampert is bulk, but like, you don't need to tank if the opponent is already dead

[@General_C]

Swampert especially shreds if you're playing Ruby/Omega Ruby.

[@diabolo1809]

greninja?

[@basti1899fürimmer]

​@@MilkyWayGrump for campaigns it doesnt even matter really

[@schwarzflammenkaiser2347]

Says Meganium has good bulk>proceeds to show footage of it being 1-hit ko.

[@SomeGuy-cf2lp]

I think that was the point. It sucks

[@cutthroat795]

by an Arbok LOL

[@1YCARADOFACAO]

And by an ARBOK nontheless

[@bradevit2446]

I was hoping that GF would change Meganiums HA to Thick Fat (like they changed Empoleons HA) - we don't have a Thick Fat Grass Pokemon besides Mega Venusaur and it would kinda fit imo. Sure, there is probably more that has to be done, but at least Meganium gets better in what Wolfey mentioned in his video - taking a few hits.

[@wmzer0mw]

@@bradevit2446 TF wouldnt help meganium almost at all. Its better on a pokemon like Saur because of the poison typing. I honestly dont know what can be done to help Meganium at all. Maybe Fairy typing, or buff leaf guard to weaken spreadmoves in the sun ?

[@because-strudels]

Seeing my good boi Typhlosion crying in the thumbnail brought me here like an angry parent

[@Poty3108]

Fr I just came here to defend my boy Typhlosion

[@PressFyah]

Typhlosion supremacy

[@SauskeHigurashi]

I stand here too. My first starter was Cyndaquil, and I am biased because of it.

[@She-Devil94]

​@@SauskeHigurashi Same it was my first starter and it has a special place in my heart ❤

[@declaracionespolemicas]

Only Gen 2 starter that wasn't on this list🔥 let's gooo Typhlosion!

[@Arifrarii]

Typhlosion in the thumbnail... We should've read the signs

[@Thatonelizard-fq6fx]

Yes

[@lauttaholic]

*picture of Meganium* That's it. That's the video.

[@HerrscherOfDusk暗光之律者]

…

[@HerrscherOfDusk暗光之律者]

I’m thinking should I destroy people with Meganium

[@hoshino353]

Meganium is trash 🗑️🗑️

[@enkerro-ti8jg]

my garchomp would rekt this noob

[@ninguem-qh4kw]

skill issue

[@AllArePunished]

I was so worried about the last slot going to my boy Typhlosion that I forgot Meganium existed.

[@manwhodoesthings]

Typhlosion supremacy my guy.

[@BONitfbgv]

Same bro Fr Fr he’s my all time favourite

[@BUNNY_GUTZ]

I'm mad that 2 out of 3 gen 2 starters were here... They're all my favs, but i'm reliefed Thyplosion pulled through, he carries the other 2

[@isaiahprater8325]

Lol that's funny

[@isaiahprater8325]

​@@manwhodoesthings 🤌🏾

[@feezee5196]

Typholsion: What is my Purpose? VGC: You use Choice Scarf Erruption Typhlosion: Ohh my God...

[@Lauren_C]

Loved Typhlosion in triples. Fire Gem boosted Eruption in sunlight, wiped literally half my opponent’s team in a single move.

[@mopiey1k]

Bro Hisuian Typhy is good if used right though. I've had it deal with Fluttermane,Basculegion, and even managed to get it to one shot Rapid Strike Urshifu with Eruption so it's really really devastating In singles. Yiu just gotta play around it and be clever. If done right you can end up getting into situations where Typhlosion overwhelms the opponent

[@soaringraven0]

and Serperior with Contrary Leaf Storm. she really needs another move to use with it, like Draco Meteor if she were a dragon type

[@mopiey1k]

@soaringraven0 Serperior with Draco meteor would be a nightmare I love it. Plus Tera Dragon that thing And yoh got a monster. Plus choice scarf and damn- Flutter Mane would be pissing their non existent pants

[@Cr3zant]

But if you use choice scarf instead of heavy duty boots your eruption loses all of its power the second stealth rocks come out.

[@FrostyLich]

the typhlosion on the thumbnail gonna reel people in...

[@RealMarshallw]

I was wondering why he didn’t do best starter, and then I remembered *INCINEROAR*

[@SamoIsKing]

Ash Gren was more broken than Incineroar ever was.

[@lookerlad]

​@@SamoIsKing ash gren is not good in vgc and he only talks about vgc

[@Kier_1]

@@SamoIsKing Read the name of the channel. . . Really carefully

[@LAIDDN24]

​@@SamoIsKing ash greninja would never beat mega ray,primal groudon,primal kyogre,and xerneas in terms of usage

[@Alister1310]

​@@SamoIsKingyou know we're talking about doubles right?

[@brianflores2380]

Pokemon: breaks the fire and fighting cycle Wolfe: “Delphox is forgettable” Me: Always remembers Delphox for that reason lol.

[@vampirelibrarian777]

fr Delphox is my fave starter pokemon lmfaoo maybe that’s just cause it was my first starter though

[@gottesurteil3201]

Forgettable was just not fair to call it.

[@PsychicJaylen]

​@@vampirelibrarian777 Delphox is the best starter ever and my dead psychic companion

[@freedom3208]

i've always thought people would like it more if it had a better pose in-game, it looks so boring how it's always a-posing, just look at how much cooler it looks on the fanmade animated sprite wolfey used in the video

[@Jurgen411]

@@freedom3208 100% agree. So weird that it's just standing up straight, and then the ear fire could've been cool if it was animated or actual fire. Definitely my favorite to use in XY and so disappointing they missed so hard with the 3D model

[@license2Bort]

19:57 that wo-chien joke 😂

[@CordyBrush]

Meganium not being made Fairy type was such an missed opportunity..

[@DCchamp-zn9gk]

Umm. Buddy, have you played any game before gen 6

[@CordyBrush]

@@DCchamp-zn9gk maybe I should have clarified: I meant that they should have given Meganium the Fairy Type like they did to Gardevoir, Azumarill etc :P

[@highdefinition450]

​@DCchamp-zn9gk i love how arrogant this reply sounds because everyone except you understood they meant adding it in gen 6, not having it by default lmao

[@ijneb1248]

​@@DCchamp-zn9gkhave you?

[@DCchamp-zn9gk]

@@ijneb1248 yes. I’ve played gen 2 3 and 4. Let’s not argue

[@jacobmorris6357]

"Infernape is fast and strong" 104 attack "Torterra's attack isn't good per se" 109 attack

[@scrittle]

One's a glass mixed attacker and the other is one of the slowest starters ever with mediocre offensive stats and bad typing. Torterra was done dirty, should've been a rock type.

[@alexwijaya6857]

​@@scrittleare the earth rock tho?

[@scrittle]

@@alexwijaya6857 Rock and Ground types are fairly similar, with the greatest physical difference being their skin texture. I'm sure Gamefreak could've tweaked Torterra's sprite slightly to make it look rockier, it already has a mountain on its back.

[@AeonQuasar]

In my Radical Red Randomizer game I got a Torterra with Magnet Pull. It completely changed my perception of it. Now it's my steel type remover.

[@amarildoguzi522]

​@@AeonQuasarthat game changed my perception about meganium: grass/fairy with triage as ability...trust me, you would not call him the worst lol

[@squiddorito]

Typhlosion being in the thumbnail but not on the list was a jumpscare and a half

[@lazykatie42069]

Sceptile's the only mon on the thumbnail that actually made it to the video lol

[@laserbeamlightning]

All three on the thumbnail are my regional picks and I nearly had an ulcer

[@EMPJetTrooper]

@@laserbeamlightning Bruh same

[@kimsune850]

same bro

[@ClockworkRavenXIII]

Fortunately scarf eruption will never be bad lol

[@JaredtheRabbit]

Typhlosion takes the crown after that freaky ahh thing he did.

[@krampus7554]

Hearing that Hisuian Samurott is "worse" than the normal Samurott sounds like an insult towards someone who plays singles i know Wolfey's opinion on Samurott is based on Doubles (who would've guessed) usage but those words still sound so surreal to a person who only plays singles

[@lillyie]

if this was about singles the incineroar meme on his videos won't exist

[@krampus7554]

@@lillyie I know but its still just weird hearing such stuff of course you cant compare singles with Doubles its already incomparable because of the existence of Moves like Helping hand or Rage powder/Follow Me which only work for doubles while Moves like Spikes,Stealth rock etc which technically work in doubles are mostly used in singles i just wanted to point it out as something showing just how different both Gamemodes are

[@Prash_0]

That's cause his channel name is wolfey "vgc"

[@Druid-T]

Maybe if it wasn't in a format dominated by a Fairy type delete button, and if Rapid didn't exist, it might have eventually found a niche, but yeah, H-Sam just isn't anything special in Doubles

[@itztaytay2]

For you non singles players H-Samu is OU (top tier) and normal is *ZU* (the 6th and worst tier). The difference between the 2 is insane

[@godleymawanda4415]

Delphox: The most forgettable starter Pokémon ever The internet: Not according to me

[@GeorgePerakis]

Intelleon and Primarina are the most forgettable starters ever. I consistently forget they exist. They're just not interesting.

[@tatecheverria1624]

Chesaught is the actual least remembered stater I know I literally had to look up its name to write this comment

[@oksat6495]

These replies are bizarre

[@MegaSpamziken1996]

​@@tatecheverria1624 yet you still wrote it wrong😭

[@josephsong9373]

Guys... I think you misunderstood the meaning behind this comment

[@pawedziedzic3250]

Typhlosion is the only Johto starter _and_ the only Hisuian starter to not make this list. What a win

[@timurtheking]

Thats why we roll with cyndaquil

[@Sakurafluttershy]

So glad my buddy keeps winning

[@Reiner547]

I just love him

[@dixieslav1274]

We take these. Typhlosion forever.

[@StarDraws555]

Cyndaquil line my ride or die forever ✊

[@devinray7210]

Typhlosion oh how my perspective has changed on you

[@Impactframess]

Sceptile is not terrible. He has a lil leaf in his mouth. Making him SSS tier

[@yashwantprajapati7794]

sceptile is strongest pokemon of ash ( who beat darkrai , who never got defeted )

[@spiritofchaos58]

And! And he helps you restore time!! And THE LIL LEAF. Absolutely perfect pokemon, no notes.

[@SniperMonkey146]

@@yashwantprajapati7794also caught up to deoxys speed form

[@AshsClones]

Best starte

[@theguynooneremembers1148]

He has the best design among all starters

[@cyphate]

For anyone interested it took 11 seconds for Wolfe to mention incineroar in a video about bad starter Pokémon

[@andrewweiker1482]

Even earlier if you count the tier list

[@KKSBETRAY]

Because of the allegations ?

[@sillylittledrawings]

@@KKSBETRAYno like incineroar isnt bad or a starter and he already brought it up because its his fav 😭😭

[@yeetyeeterson1914]

⁠@@sillylittledrawingsincineroar is literally a starter lol

[@sillylittledrawings]

@@yeetyeeterson1914 from wrong region

[@dragonninja3655]

Chikorita was fantastic in the mystery dungeon games. Razor leaf could hit far away enemies, synthesis could heal without items, etc. Plus with her cute ponytail "I'm on an adventure" design, chef's kiss. That is where my love for the chikorita line comes from.

[@MrDiplomat180]

The thumbnail certainly got a new level of relevance this past few weeks...

[@Beckloin]

He like em level 1

[@kristhebrownie]

Im just glad typhlosion wasn't on this list. I don't do competitive so i have no idea if its actually good, but typhlosion has always been one of my favorite starters.

[@Emilia-_.]

it can be quite the force w a choice scarf and a sun-boosted eruption, so you’re good

[@turnadogaming1114]

If you want to see a broken ohko pokemon you should try a typhlosion With blaze paired with choice scarf/life orb/focus sash With flamethrower and eruption

[@lindendragon2876]

i was worried serperiors gonna be tehre too. i guess contrast saved it lol. i am kinda angry though that it doesnt have good coverage moves

[@_GLXC]

LOL

[@liambelh9556]

Oof. Just oof.

[@Raiya867]

I just noticed that the Hoenn starter's abilities mainly revolves around speed. Sceptile - Unburden Blaziken - Speed Boost Swampert (Mega) - Swift Swim

[@vgamer4993]

GO GO GO G-G-G-G-GO GO! GOTTA GO FAST!

[@amvjin6760]

with blaziken mega also having SB

[@badrinath5306]

DAMP!!!

[@2WarriorJay8]

Interesting because that game had the mach bike which at the time made the player move faster than ever before previously.

[@lipika2841]

Additionally, all the Kanto Starter's abilities center around the use of Weather. Venusaur - Chlorophyll, Charizard - Solar Power & Blastoise - Rain Dish & the abilities of Galar Starters mostly revolve around higher damage output. Rillaboom gets to use boosted Grass moves under the Grassy Terrain, Cinderace is able to receive STAB on any type, & Inteleon with Sniper does increased damage whenever it lands critical hits.

[@ParroTiest]

If Swampert gets a new ability, bro will be a huge threat imo Justice for my Boi swampert

[@Konokken]

It’s mega ability has taken over national dex in Pokémon showdown, so broken

[@ButtAflyLP]

Like sap sipper? No for real though, they could give it regenerator

[@cornonjacob]

It actually has almost the same stats as Incineroar, 5 more HP, 5 less attack, and 5 more special attacks. Give it regenerator and some decent support moves and it'd be amazing in VGC

[@sonicwave779]

Sap sipper :)

[@ParroTiest]

@@Konokken sadly it’s not the same for vgc where all he gets is damp

[@gingrbredgaming8651]

I knew as soon as I clicked on the video that my boy Meganium was gonna get clowned on and that’s okay, I still love it lmao

[@epicwashcloth5677]

Hisuian Samurott is like the epitome of a singles mon. In singles it can change the game, in doubles ur basically already down 3 to 4. But cool otter mustache 😎

[@Skeloperch]

Hazards are kind of worthless in Doubles since you don't switch nearly as often as in Singles. In Singles, Hamurott is a menace since it will do a huge chunk of damage + set up spikes 90% of the time. Even max bulk Pelipper is eating 31 - 37% of its HP from a single Ceaseless Edge from a Jolly Samurott. Rillaboom is eating 45 - 53% without bulk investment.

[@masonmickelsen1447]

I was about to comment about how good it is in singles. Thanks!

[@cielbie8251]

Contrary to popular VGC belief, gamefreak does actually consider competitive singles sometimes when it comes to designing mons and moves.

[@monochromekirby2919]

Incineroar is the opposite of Hamurott, which is funny since they're both dark type starters. The Heel Wrestling cat dominates VGC while in Singles, it's in Neverused tier.

[@Xios_Angelis]

Iirc Feraligatr also has a notable presence in singles

[@Thatoneguy15547]

Meganium: *How many times must I be thrown under the bus...*

[@rinabegum-xh3wq]

Until the end of time itself

[@HerrscherOfDusk暗光之律者]

Or I could end Time himself with my Meganium, wait for a bit, I’m gonna go destroy Dialga(Again).

[@nicocchi]

Niantic genuinely took pity on the thing lmao Feraligatr as well for that matter.

[@Sayyble]

We need the fairy type for her if we her in ZA

[@Captain1455]

Hearing this makes me want to make a competitive Meganium. Hell all of them!

[@PokeProfessorJosh]

Whoa good thing Wo-chien has the Tablets of Ruin. Dude is out here catching strays.

[@KOROws]

If you say torterra or blastoise is bad i’m going to find you. Edit: i’m going to find you.

[@Plumy.]

Blastoise is good torterra is ass

[@diefefos-obwohlderfefopass2656]

I'm going to find you. ​@@Plumy.

[@Einheit101]

Torterra was absolutely garbage in my Gen5 playthrough. I never regret a starter choice more than in this game. I replaced that Shitmon with Virizion as soon as i caught it.

[@RetirededKat]

We found the "I like turtles" kid 😅

[@KOROws]

@@Plumy. i shall find you.

[@zomorion9183]

9:29 OK but that sprite art of Delphox goes so hard. Way better than it's 3D counterpart, even in SV.

[@ki11ert]

nah I thought the same thing

[@frankcastle9691]

Why are you watching this crap he's probably a child molester.

[@danielbarnes1241]

What you don't like the unmoving traffic cone?

[@vaporeonice3146]

I don’t think I ever registered how similar Meganium’s stats are to Venusaur’s. They basically took 20 of Venusaur’s special attack and put it in defense. That’s obviously massive in VGC where games are so fast-paced, and Venusaur’s Poison typing is mostly helpful. But it’s wild how one of the best Grass types ever looks so statistically similar to the worst Grass-type starter. They really gave Venusaur everything under the sun.

[@itztaytay2]

Venu having Sleep Powder, Chlorophyll, and STAB Sludge Bombs goes a loooong way especially with that extra spattk. Not to mention it got both a Mega and GMax to keep it relevant over gens

[@UncleJrueForTue]

That's because Meganium and the other gen 2 staters base stats are literally copy pasted from the gen 1 starters. Feraligatr's stats are the same values as Blastoise, just flipped to be offensive and Typhlosion is the exact same as Charizard.

[@Mintysaur]

Hehe. Everything under the SUN indeed

[@vaporeonice3146]

@@Mintysaur I didn’t realize the pun until I said it, but I stand by it 😝

[@arqueic4602]

Literally all my favorite starters were on this list. Feelsbadman

[@diochannel5680]

Trust me, when both your favourite grass and water starters on this worst starter list(thanks god that my favourite fire one isn't there), but your brother's favourite starter of all types all 3 in the best starter list, it's way more than just hurt. It was a real slander.

[@The_Natalist]

Thank God Serpuror (can never spell it) got Contrary or grass type would be in the dumps

[@leolion3323]

I am very upset about samurott and decidueye. my boys.... they're just goofy beasts...::.:. The designs are so amazing too, they deserve better smh.

[@shunsuikyoraku5428]

Dgd?

[@allmightygir4865]

@@leolion3323 Samurott is a concept that should only have success, yet they really did him dirty.

[@wajmusik5712]

I love the fact that the thumbnail for this video shows three of my favorite starter.

[@lucacaccamese3417]

I feel like this really highlights the differences between singles and VGC, because Samurott-H is absolutely monstrous in singles, and Feraligatr is niche but pretty good.

[@destructocat1960]

And emboar was huge for speed running for awhile

[@kylebaker9327]

Yes, but time sadly keeps going, the model A was probably a beast back in the day…. Too bad nostalgia doesn’t affect stats

[@goldenarmour7975]

emboar had it's time in slightly lower tiers too as a decent pokémon. Just a good wallbreaker­.

[@dim4757]

Yeah honestly Feraligatr as 3rd worst surprised me. That thing is a demon in the lower tiers. But if this is only talking about doubles then it makes more sense.

[@jamalabusiam1998]

I knew from the start Samurott would be on this list. I just didn’t expect him to be third. Yes, he’s not that good, but he’s my favorite and I will cling to him till the end of time

[@wll_2689]

Same

[@kally-ariel1118]

Same

[@dmmarz167]

Damn same... but I didn't know he wasn't considered a good...

[@birdyeggling]

Same!! First gen first water type my silly goofy guy

[@eunjungchoi8191]

Same, entire line of Oshawott is best in my eyes 🔥

[@ilpiste]

If serperior didn't have contrary, Unova would have the worst starters in competitive

[@Ray-wz8sg]

could also say the same about Johto if Typhlosion didn't get a Hisuian form

[@user-lh7mt7zo7l]

Honestly I think they're the worst trio of all time and we got stuck with them for two games straight 😭

[@Robscule]

Nah, its have high speed mid defence, good for supporting Its have glare, a recovery move(im forget the name but grass type move), and coil. Atleast its do something for me

[@Kat_3219]

@@Robscule Synthesis?

[@legendarydragoon]

When Gen 5 came out, I hacked in a Sandile as my starter, because it was more interesting to me than the starters they offered.

[@HeyOcelot0606]

KZbin really hit me with this of all of them looking depressed when that Typlosion leak happened.

[@willsmith5519]

Wolfey you’re going to start my villain meganium arc. I will win a tournament with meaganium.

[@MegaSpamziken1996]

as someone who wants to do the same with Blaziken, I hope at least one of us will win and show the world what our starters can REALLY do

[@georgejones5019]

I love Fraligator. So I might be willing enough to attempt it one day, just to add to the stat page.

[@alexwijaya6857]

Go ahead

[@MegaSpamziken1996]

@@alexwijaya6857 not sure about the other guys, but I made a pretty good team and got to the Great Ball tier (I don't have much time to push)

[@nobuffer101]

Meganium: _*exists_ Everyone: "You are literally the worst starter." Team Four Star: "This is Mr. Stake." Some people: "Perhaps I've treated you too harshly."

[@BJGvideos]

They hated him too...at first. Legit went out of their way to get him killed and nothing worked. And by the end, they loved their little lump of stupid so much that Lani named his real dog after him

[@ninguem-qh4kw]

*do not include me on that, "everyone".*

[@FuckYoutube-wf1wh]

Sperg

[@jonseon5952]

@@BJGvideos They got caught faking the next Nuzlocke wouldn't surprise me if Mr.Stake actually died once or twice offscreen

[@snakexpert552]

Mr Stake is the GOAT nothing can kill him, even do they tried

[@user-iz2ik3gh2n]

Hilarious that meganium is only marginally bulkier than serperior but that's somehow its defining characteristics because there's literally nothing else there. It's like the attention on Ledian's punching moves.

[@linksora7120]

Because of serperior’s speed and access to light screen and reflect its more likely to set up and survive than meganium is anyway since meganium is likely to be sniped. Plus serperior having better speed allows its contrary damage to rise and even before contrary sword dance or coil helped it a lot

[@Nelland]

At least now we know who is the worst morally

[@PedroHenrique-mk5zi]

There is a non-zero chance that the 8 Starters showcased in this video are the 8 favorite Starters of someone.

[@somerandomweeb4836]

That person is unhinged if they exist

[@danang5]

and it sucks for them that those pokemon sucks,and they deserve better

[@dimaginarylaw]

I could totally believe all the grass starters here were someone's favourites because they are all really cool

[@tintedpalette653]

I’d believe it. Majority of what is covered in this video is not relevant to what makes people decide their favorite starter. The start of the video says as much, it’s just looking at competitive viability.

[@ruiribeiro8010]

Samurott and Decidueye are my 2 favorite starters. Both were given non sensical trash stat distributions, useless abilities and a mid movepool and nothing to compensate

[@BlueBasD]

I love how wolfey mentioned wo-chien just for existing.

[@kailesperance1922]

When Wo-Chien tries switching in on one of the following: Landorus-T Earthquake Urshifu’s Wicked Blow or Surging Strikes. Dragapult’s Dragon Darts Rillaboom’s Grassy Glide or Wood Hammer. POW! Right in the kisser. Wo-Chien was slain by U-turn.

[@Patrick_The_Pure]

One of the major problems with Sceptile, was that in order to make him viable in gen 3, even though he looked like a physical damage type pokemon, they had to give him a higher special attack stat than a physical attack stat. The reason for that was that if an attack was special or physical was solely based on the element, there were no physical grass attacks, and pretty much everything he could learn was considered a special attack. Now gen 4 came along, which changed all of it, and when you, even today, look at his learnable moves, like 75% of them are physical. They never switched his attack stats and it shows, on top of that they never really improved on him and just made him trash. Gen 3 Sceptile with Leaf Blade, Crunch, Dragon Claw and Thunder Punch was a sight to behold, and was by far the most viable and fun starter to have compared to the horrible movesets the other 2 had, which is the complete opposite of what we have today with those 3 starters.

[@thatdarnskag5043]

Even when just messing around in story mode/single-player, it feels detrimental to teach Leaf Blade to Sceptile instead of a Special Grass move. There's a bit of a problem when I'm thinking that in story mode about what could be considered a Mon's signature move.

[@Einheit101]

Sceptile was trash in gen3 and it remains trash today. I even restarted my Ruby playthrough ~20 years ago because Sceptile was so garbage.

[@sebastianmeszarosalvarez1740]

After the leaks, Typhlosion.

[@scrappycloud1828]

Wolfe said that Delphox was one of the most forgotten pokemon. Clearly, this man has never ran into a furry before 😂😂

[@jdmking4776]

Right 😂

[@LiminalLex]

More like, bro hasnt seen r34

[@karazsteel]

Charizard: What if I stopped being a flying type? Typhlosion: 😮

[@victorydarts1899]

what if I had eruption:

[@Warlord_Megatron]

Zard: -What if?- I am gonna get 2 mega evolutions in the next game

[@thatdarnskag5043]

​@@Warlord_Megatron _And_ a GMax (before the other Kanto starters even.)

[@kailesperance1922]

What if I became a secondary ghost type in the past

[@Beckloin]

Charizard: At least Typhlosion is “not like us”

[@Prash_0]

That wo chien slander at 19:56 made me laugh.😂

[@aegandotcom]

im tweaking the f out rn 😭😭 why does gamefreak have to attach the most banger designs to the worst pokemon

[@davidtaylor142]

Outside of competitive, Feraligator is actually arguably the best gen 2 starter sonce he learns Ice Fang shortly before the elite four, meaning the champion gets completely creamed immediately without you needing to keep an Ice type with you

[@manwhodoesthings]

He's definitely better than Meganium, lol. But imo it's better to go with Typhlosion and just get the Lapras in the cave

[@harshmalhari8519]

I thought it got ice fang as a todadile at lv 14

[@code_error_]

The jab at MoxieBoosted’s usage of Wo-Chien at 19:57 still got me laughing

[@MeltinStareSounds]

care to explain? I don't know the backstory but sounds fun

[@code_error_]

MoxieBoosted brings Wo-Chien to every regional

[@lbelypokelbely1137]

As someone who had Chikorita as my FIRST Pokémon EVER. I saw the number one slot coming.

[@GigitheGamerGod]

Decidueye got done dirty by Gamefreak. Stats are completely wrong.

[@AlexanderSnyder2728]

Decidueye would theoretically be the best in a real battle, not this game battle trash. Fly to the ozone layer, shoot your opponent with a perfectly aimed spirit shackle, win.

[@GigitheGamerGod]

@AlexanderSnyder2728 Exactly

[@hollow_edition]

14:21 As a UNITE player, I'm genuinely terrified of Decidueye, it can just cut your HP by third out of nowhere, and keep doing so until you locate where this thing is...

[@christopherholladay1015]

I love how some rom hacks give Meg the Triage ability along with draining kiss and the fairy typing. That plus a little more bulk and shes viable.

[@Skeloperch]

You also need to give it Calm Mind and/or Earth Power since it doesn't have them already. Grass and Fairy are both negged by Fire, Poison, and Steel types. Without a way to set up or hit those types for SE damage (I mean, it does have EQ), it's just going to be a particularly fat lizard rather than a real threat.

[@CrazyWS]

Every pokemon I chose as a starter in every game making this list.

[@Fattmann257]

ME TOO HOW

[@JustinObi54]

Yeah, that hurts

[@FlamingZelda3]

it's alright. all these mons have their different purposes. Some of them are decent in singles, some are good when playing through the game, and decidueye is really cool in pokemon unite. It's unfortunate what happened to magnium. It's a sun based grass type born in a gen without abilities or strong weather. As the gens went on it never got the buffs or expanded movepools that other starters got and so it just kinda stayed bad. Conceptually meganium would be a good mon for running things like bodyslam, synthesis, solar beam, stun spore, leech seed, (follow me if we're talking doubles), rest, maybe even earthquake or some other coverage move for damage. It would basically sit there and deal chip damage while healing in the sun and spreading status. In theory a pretty cool mon.

[@TheERICSON12]

Could also use a second typing, grass dragon ,or grass fair would work fine.​@@FlamingZelda3

[@shd0_]

My favorite pokemon was typhlosion :( 😢

[@iancastro1327]

I remember a tier list of worst starters and Meganium had its own tier called Meganium

[@thundereagle4130]

Ironically it was the best starter of the 3 when it came out in gen 2.

[@iancastro1327]

@@thundereagle4130 i reaaaaally doubt it

[@thundereagle4130]

@@iancastro1327 Watch False Swipes Gaming's video about Maganium or look up some Smogon articles about the gen 2 meta game/Meganium. Tough ''good'' is subjective. All 3 starters where bad. Only Meganium had some good matchups since the gen 2 meta is all about bulk.

[@dse763]

In my tier list, it's only one in the F rank and I'm just mad about it.

[@Cr3zant]

@@thundereagle4130 That's not when it came out. We didn't get "metas" until ADV. That was when the game as we know it started being played. Everything before then was just using stadium as a medium.

[@JetblackJay]

The worse thing is people run Bayleaf Eviolite in competitive over meganium 😢

[@Kereea]

Yep. As someone who likes the line, it get ALL the relevant moves (Reflect, Light Screen, Giga Drain and Heal Pulse if you get it as an Egg Move) with 120 in both defenses being better than Meganium's 100. Like, if you wanted Meganium to Do It's Job, the job its movepool says it should do, cute 40 Speed and a lot of Atk since it uses neither, give that to defenses and SpAtk, put it in Trick Room, and let it be the annoying screen-setter/drainer it WANTS to be.

[@kailesperance1922]

Do people actually do that?

[@JetblackJay]

@kailesperance1922 yes Bayleaf actually really good in competitive

[@CrimsonCarousel]

That Wo-Chien subtle diss was hilarious.

[@TheEphemeralEternity]

The only thing we'd have to do to fix sceptile a good way to use its speed. The second that gamefreak introduces a grass type move that does damage based on speed (like electro ball), I think we'll be in better shape.

[@M1551NGN0]

The thumbnail showing the crying Empoleon rlly scared me, just yesterday I was seeing how the ability "competitive" made the little penguin a menace.

[@highdefinition450]

weird choice to include him fr lol

[@agatha6999]

Maybe that Empoleon has torrent lol

[@KingChiggy]

Is it bad that after talking about Samurott and Decidueye I whole heartedly expected number 1 to be my boy Typhlosion COMPLETELY FORGETTING that Meganium existed? lol

[@DavidPortillo-j6l]

The thing is Typhlosion actually has a niche as a fast Eruption user, having great speed and usable SpAtt and access to the aforementioned Eruption, it is actually usable unlike most of the stuff on this list.

[@masonstewart6232]

@@DavidPortillo-j6l Hisuian Samurott was done dirty for being an OU pokemon. But then again, he was purely speaking from a VGC standpoint

[@nahuelsantillan9664]

I think it's worth mentioning that Feraligatr is useful in competitive Pokemon GO now

[@armandoalvarado3956]

Also meganium was way stronger in the early seasons of GO Battle League

[@hoodedstreetmonk352]

TIL Pokemon GO has a competitive meta as well

[@yannberg9392]

​@@hoodedstreetmonk352 TIL there's competitive Pokémon GO

[@nltramturk4553]

typhlosion has done things..

[@axokrotus343]

No he hasn’t. The story is not canon.

[@somedogsarecops2354]

​@@axokrotus343 I don't think that's gonna hold up in court.

@@somedogsarecops2354do you like being an ass?

[@nataliecoronado4206]

A lot of these bad mons really need a new hidden ability, since that's the biggest thing holding them back. Meganium could get Thick Fat, Emboar could get Rock Head, Feraligatr could get Strong Jaw, and A-Decidueye could get Sniper or Quick Draw

[@videorelaxant2780]

Meganium should get that one ability where support moves get priority

[@funninoriginal6054]

I don't think thick fat would do a lot for Meganium, honestly, since Venu has it too plus better defensive matchups. Also dosen't Feraligatr get Sheer Force?

[@taylon5200]

90% of all these mons problems is stats. They need to either buff or lower speed stats, and just some mons that have a dumb special/physical attack Stat split where theyre both like 110. Make one 135, and the other 60. Trying to make them Jack's of all trades hurts them into unusable territory.

[@tylertrainz4460]

@@videorelaxant2780 if you’re talking about Mycelium Might, it’s the opposite, status moves get negative priority for some reason lol

[@videorelaxant2780]

@tylertrainz4460 no I'm talking about triage

[@gRADkar]

Wolfey never fails to include inceneroar in some form in every video

[@destructiveblade7446]

Hard to say whether it is more ubiquitous in these videos or on VGC teams.

[@sei7015]

Well, in a starters video with VGC included Is almost imposible not mention Incineroar Lets be real XD

[@GenericMcName]

Remember Gen 2 where Typhlosion could learn Thunder Punch? Good days.

[@kakizakichannel]

Red: plays Blastoise Me: "not so fast"

[@graymozzezmozesatojatofray5394]

I miss liking Typhlosion (teraleak moment)

[@Beckloin]

The leak hurt his reputation so hard

[@luigiboyinblu]

Update: for legal reasons, we now all agree that Typhlosion is the worst starter

[@Mr_Grapes]

Disagree. Typhlosion is a species and not one person, it’s like hating every human life because of one criminal

[@axokrotus343]

Not canon.

[@ricebowlstrawhat4202]

@@Mr_GrapesTo disagree, Humans differ vastly compared to pokemon theres a reason why we fear snakes, spiders, sharks, they aren’t all deadly, aggressive or poisonous but we group them up the same nontheless

[@Quromato]

​@@axokrotus343It's as canon as the statement that Yoda is the illegitimate child of Kermit the Frog and Mrs. Piggy.

[@azukidere]

Update update: Typhlosion beat the allegations, 4chan used Google Translate and didn’t actually check with any native speakers if the translation was any good.

[@Darkforce213]

What makes Long Reach worse is that Spirit Shackle, Decidueye's signature move, already doesn't make contact.

[@kailesperance1922]

Imagine if we gave it Shadow Tag

[@kailesperance1922]

Jk that’s kinda useless cause Spirit Shackle already traps opponents

[@arthurfleck4320]

Incineroar was intentionally designed by Gamefreak to be busted. Even in the anime, Incineroar is described as "the ultimate Fire Pokémon".

[@MegaSpamziken1996]

does the anime also explain why Blaziken got Speed Boost as a HA and got banned from singles for 3 gens straight?

[@arthurfleck4320]

@@MegaSpamziken1996 first off, that was most likely an oversight. Prior to Gen 5, Gamefreak didn't realize how powerful Speed Boost could be, as the only Pokémon that could get it before Blaziken were Pokémon with bad stats and even worse typing, namely Ninjask ans Yanmega. Second of all, Gamefreak doesn't balance for singles.

[@MegaSpamziken1996]

@@arthurfleck4320 fair enough I guess, thanks for the explanation😁

[@Sinislovesbillcypher.]

​@@arthurfleck4320blaziken without speed boost is still really good though

[@lillyie]

@@arthurfleck4320 they don't balance for single battles but they knew the oppresive nature of hazards and added heavy duty boots by gen 8. hazards are almost never seen in vgc yet they added it for the singles players

[@Fishtenders]

I love how this isn’t a “Best Starter” video because if you’re familiar with Wolfey, you already know the answer

[@dse763]

There's no competition for best double battles Starter.

[@MegaSpamziken1996]

hint: it's a dual Fire type, introduced after gen 2 and before gen 8, has one of the most broken abilities and used to have a signature move, before it was turned into a TM the following gen

[@haijisenrihagefird]

i love your chi-yu goofy photo

[@NobleRenegade7]

NO NOT TYPHLOSION IN THE THUMBNAIL

[@jorbur3604]

Meganium was my first starter Pokemon so I love it, and it hurts to always know it's going to be listed as the worst starter Pokemon. Already knew it was going to be #1 on this list :/ Maybe one day they'll give it Grass-Fairy regional form with good stats and moves.

[@Dinooatmeal]

Dang your videos are so well done, I haven't played Pokemon in 20 years and find myself binge watching this channel all of a sudden just off how entertaining the videos are even for someone that knows little to nothing about the subject haha

[@AmazedPIKACHU]

Feraligatr : Disrespected Inteleon : Missing

[@Endershock1678]

Inteleon saw (very very minor) usage in SwSh with Razor Claw Gigantamax Shenagans.

[@hellothere2570]

Inteleon may not be amazing, but it's definitely stronger than any of these starters

[@Kereea]

That's because Feraligator's stats are Too Balanced. It doesn't excel at ANYTHING other water types cannot do. Meanwhile Inteleon goes the opposite direction with amazing speed and special attack but frail af and the attack is only middling at best. Greninja is SLIGHTLY faster but also a weaker special attacker, Primarina is SLIGHTLY higher SpAtk but much slower, while the only other Water Type to beat all three is Iron Bundle as of Gen9. So it has a niche last gen: super fast water special attacker.

[@AmazedPIKACHU]

@@Kereea inteleon has bad stats, compared to the other Galar Starters. And Primarina is reasonably Slower. And Water Types are considered the Bulkier Type, and Inteleon is not one of the Bulkier mons. And it's sadly isn't a fan-favorite like Feraligatr is.

[@AmazedPIKACHU]

@@hellothere2570 at least the Mid-Mons would handle Inteleon.

[@Kreceir]

Says Wo-chien, refuses to elaborate and then named the next grass pokemon. lol.

[@Dabazuka]

Could someone explain that to me? I don't know much about competitive Pokemon.

[@spinnie_boi]

It just can’t get a break, too many strays to be caught

[@Bleislash]

Wo-chien exist on the field

[@iancastro1327]

​@@Dabazuka Wo-chien is really bad x4 to bug a lot of weaknesses and cant threaten damage, its very slow but not to slow to run it on trick room

[@gbatista20]

Fissure, Ruination, Sand tomb, yawn. Something like that

[@TheChocolatBlanc]

It's over for Typhlo.

[@macgyversmacbook1861]

As an Inceneroar trainer myself, I’m loving that it didn’t even take 20 seconds for the video to mention Inceneroar Supremacy

[@squilliam2813]

Meganium’s comeback in Pokemon ZA is gonna be amazing

[@thezerowulf2046]

Mega evolution with fairy typing

[@NotSnak]

​@@thezerowulf2046even better? Give it a new regionsl form and give that a mega too that way even if megas dont come back meganium can still exist.

[@Poyomini]

1:49 WOLFE, YOU DID *NOT* HAVE TO MAKE ME REMEMBER GROVYLE'S SACRIFICE!

[@rawirimcintosh4955]

Typhlosion gets too much hate, it’s sick

[@Ivy-Plays]

The Internet is just abusing a non Canon folk tale based on a real folk tale, and by god is the Internet being racist against Canadian natives and thinking there's only one typholsion in existence. And EVERYONE nowadays is a typhosion magnet

[@lingus1382]

The best part about meganium is that it’s essentially a hard mode for g/s/c/hg/ss

[@therobotfromirobot]

And people said black and white 2 were the first ones to add difficulty settings, god bless gschgss

[@lingus1382]

@@therobotfromirobot I remember as a kid my sister picked chickorita and struggled so hard to get past those first two gyms I felt so bad for her lol

[@therobotfromirobot]

@@lingus1382 Me too, dude. Typhlosion is still hands down my favourite Pokémon ever, but little me loved chikorita in the cartoon and struggled through the game

[@keldone3186]

​​@@lingus1382 i literally tried a chickorita only run. Well never got it past Arena 2 😂

[@MrGamerofmusic]

Magician Delfox was fun in generation 6! I stole so many Assault Vests and survived hits that would have otherwise knocked out Delfox! I was an anti meta player and saw the “communication error has occurred” screen a lot back then XD

[@ChinmayTorvi]

JUSTICE FOR SCEPTILE GIVE IT SHARPNESS

[@Johten]

It's a special attacker why should it get sharpness...

[@ThatBluDude]

I agree on the justice for Scep part but in reality it would only get a boost to Leaf Blade and X-Scissor... and Fury Cutter if you want to be that guy.

[@draygoer1945]

🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@Esmerthe10thjojo]

​@@Johten it is? This guys design scream pysichal

[@lookerlad]

​@@Esmerthe10thjojo because in gen 3 grass was special if scep came after gen 3 it would probably have more physical attack

[@Auxified]

I knew it was Meganium and could have predicted all of these except Sceptile, so I must be doin something right. Good video !

[@scottstapp6763]

You can tell he was proud of himself with that garbaligator joke. Lol love you wolf

[@ericburns4846]

Notice there’s no Chesnaught to be seen here- proof that y’all hate him because you’re told to hate him. Keep my squirrel’s name out ya mouth

[@NoLongerUseThis]

Thank you fellow Chesnaught fan

[@sei7015]

Chesnaught Is súper Bulky and got cool support moves , Pretty good my Man

[@gergabbin933]

I think chestnaught is hated for it's design not his usefulness it looks like a weird grandpa.

[@_rishi_6958]

@@gergabbin933 exactly. when first heared the community hated the final evolution of chespin (who is f.cking cool, design-wise), i was like "wht? really?". then its final evo came to my mind, together with greninja&delphox, and i was like "understandable.."

[@tylerm6352]

FACTS chesnaught underrated defensive god

[@Aswiftic]

One thing i like to use and saw with delphox was overheat + white herb. The ability Magician works woth special attacks as well, and for some reason if you use overheat, which activates the white herb from the special attack drop, it still steals the item even after the white herb is consumed. So this gives you a free over heat attack with no drawbacks and it steals an item

[@gottesurteil3201]

I'm remember this!

[@nousername191]

I vividly remember seeing someone try this, steal life orb and immediately take the 10% recoil from Life Orb without the damage boost. What a programming quirk

[@Logs1919]

Typhlosion S tier nowadays

[@Pur0skarija]

Fr

[@Beckloin]

S ex offender tier