What is the Worst Starter Pokemon?

Lots of starter Pokemon are great - but have you ever wondered which is the worst competitively?
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[@FalseSwipeGaming]

Singles 🤝Doubles Meganium is the worst starter

[@gRADkar]

Waiting for the return of triple battles

[@Jackyanimations010]

You know I'm waiting for quad battles-

[@magdalenomartinezjr8805]

How unfortonate was Meganium actually?

[@grixan8012]

when Meganium gets a mega evolution in Legend's Z-A and becomes the best starter by far >>>>

[@kingambitreal]

​@@grixan8012No silly the three mega starters will be Mega Incineroar, Mega Charizard z and Mega Charizard A

[@mladenovic8598]

Meganium: Aaah sheet here we go again....

[@gloomy314]

my favourite starter is the worst one, but I don't care, I like my cool plant dinosaur!

[@1missing]

Yep, first thing I thought when I saw the video lol

[@atushbaanet4386]

Me too buddy ​@@gloomy314

[@bobi200samatar6]

Honestly if it just had thick fat it would have more of a niche. As it is, there's no reason to use it

[@boredcryptek5513]

​@@gloomy314If it makes you feel better every starter I have ever chosen is on this list xD.

[@nobuffer101]

Meganium: _*exists_ Everyone: "You are literally the worst starter." Team Four Star: "This is Mr. Stake." Some people: "Perhaps I've treated you too harshly."

[@BJGvideos]

They hated him too...at first. Legit went out of their way to get him killed and nothing worked. And by the end, they loved their little lump of stupid so much that Lani named his real dog after him

[@ninguem-qh4kw]

*do not include me on that, "everyone".*

[@10Bendog]

I have no idea what was the deal with the guy who assigned the stats for the Gen 7 Pokémon. Truly an unhinged individual. Like, why is everything so slow? Why is Silvally so mid?? And why, for fuck’s sake, did Decidueye’s stat spread absolutely go against its design as an agile archer owl???

[@Notarobot1006]

I remember when the gen 7 games were just coming out, everyone called it the Aslowla region.

[@nc7718]

It took wolfey 11 seconds to mention incineroar. I think that's a new record.

[@Pearl_Blossom]

A record for what? Fastest Incineroar mention or slowest Incineroar mention?

[@Gamermonkey-nq7wp]

@@Pearl_Blossomfastest

[@50_Lizardss]

furry bottom feeder

[@nickyheart]

​@@Pearl_Blossom slowest, duh. incineroar is made up of 10 letters, so mentioning it in exactly 11 is thinking outside of the box.

[@jaredriddle191]

I clicked on this video and immediately went looking in the comments for this

[@niemandfaxenmindestlohn]

Making a 20 minute video where you just say "Meganium Meganium Meganium" was a bold choice but that's just the world champ difference

[@WhatNow505]

Making a 20 second comment just to make him/herself feel better was a bold choice just to make him/herself a abit superior bc he thinks otherwise. Lol but yeah , Meganium is bad, really bad.

[@HighHopes93]

Ay bruh issa meme

[@souljahwitchluv]

@@WhatNow505what ☠️ have you never been in a youtube comment section??? you would be livid in a fantano comment section 😭

[@saber5275]

​@@souljahwitchluvfantano comment section is wild LOL

[@conradaster3764]

I swear you pokepeople speak a foreign fucking language lol

[@godleymawanda4415]

Delphox: The most forgettable starter Pokémon ever The internet: Not according to me

[@GeorgePerakis]

Intelleon and Primarina are the most forgettable starters ever. I consistently forget they exist. They're just not interesting.

[@tatecheverria1624]

Chesaught is the actual least remembered stater I know I literally had to look up its name to write this comment

[@oksat6495]

These replies are bizarre

[@MegaSpamziken1996]

​@@tatecheverria1624 yet you still wrote it wrong😭

[@josephsong9373]

Guys... I think you misunderstood the meaning behind this comment

[@willsmith5519]

Wolfey you’re going to start my villain meganium arc. I will win a tournament with meaganium.

[@MegaSpamziken1996]

as someone who wants to do the same with Blaziken, I hope at least one of us will win and show the world what our starters can REALLY do

[@georgejones5019]

I love Fraligator. So I might be willing enough to attempt it one day, just to add to the stat page.

[@alexwijaya6857]

Go ahead

[@MegaSpamziken1996]

@@alexwijaya6857 not sure about the other guys, but I made a pretty good team and got to the Great Ball tier (I don't have much time to push)

[@polvocorrupto]

Meganium is so bad that it doesn't even get Pollen Puff. YES, a pokémon that is a literal pollen-head flower mixed with a dinossaur.

[@NotSnak]

Dude thats just sad.

[@ninguem-qh4kw]

skill issue

[@Roflmao6173]

meanwhile amoonguss the mushroom: has both spore and pollen puff

[@polvocorrupto]

@@Roflmao6173 🥲

[@lauttaholic]

*picture of Meganium* That's it. That's the video.

[@sillylittleterapagos]

…

[@sillylittleterapagos]

I’m thinking should I destroy people with Meganium

[@hoshino353]

Meganium is trash 🗑️🗑️

[@enkerro-ti8jg]

my garchomp would rekt this noob

[@ninguem-qh4kw]

skill issue

[@jacobmorris6357]

"Infernape is fast and strong" 104 attack "Torterra's attack isn't good per se" 109 attack

[@scrittle]

One's a glass mixed attacker and the other is one of the slowest starters ever with mediocre offensive stats and bad typing. Torterra was done dirty, should've been a rock type.

[@alexwijaya6857]

​@@scrittleare the earth rock tho?

[@scrittle]

@@alexwijaya6857 Rock and Ground types are fairly similar, with the greatest physical difference being their skin texture. I'm sure Gamefreak could've tweaked Torterra's sprite slightly to make it look rockier, it already has a mountain on its back.

[@user-iz2ik3gh2n]

Hilarious that meganium is only marginally bulkier than serperior but that's somehow its defining characteristics because there's literally nothing else there. It's like the attention on Ledian's punching moves.

[@linksora7120]

Because of serperior’s speed and access to light screen and reflect its more likely to set up and survive than meganium is anyway since meganium is likely to be sniped. Plus serperior having better speed allows its contrary damage to rise and even before contrary sword dance or coil helped it a lot

[@valiantchris6456]

The "What Is The Best Starter Pokémon" video is basically a single 10 minute PNG of Incineroar.

[@MilkyWayGrump]

Unless we're talking for the campaign specifically, in which case Swampert takes the crown no contest (Meganium is still the worst in that case lol)

[@funninoriginal6054]

​@@MilkyWayGrumpI'd argue Infernape takes the spot for best starter for the story since he's both incredibly fast and hits like a truck, with so much coverage you can reliably sweep even the battles that give it the most trouble. The only thing Infernape dosen't have over Swampert is bulk, but like, you don't need to tank if the opponent is already dead

[@General_C]

Swampert especially shreds if you're playing Ruby/Omega Ruby.

[@diabolo1809]

greninja?

[@phonzylover911]

​@@MilkyWayGrump for campaigns it doesnt even matter really

[@Kreceir]

Says Wo-chien, refuses to elaborate and then named the next grass pokemon. lol.

[@Dabazuka]

Could someone explain that to me? I don't know much about competitive Pokemon.

[@spinnie_boi]

It just can’t get a break, too many strays to be caught

[@Bleislash]

Wo-chien exist on the field

[@iancastro1327]

​@@Dabazuka Wo-chien is really bad x4 to bug a lot of weaknesses and cant threaten damage, its very slow but not to slow to run it on trick room

[@gbatista20]

Fissure, Ruination, Sand tomb, yawn. Something like that

[@mediocreindigo9422]

Wolfey: Hisuian Samurott is bad. Showdown players: *laughs*

[@bobblade2681]

Yeah is he terrible. I rly love Samurott so it would be cool if he was somewhat viable. Is he only good in singles?

[@naturalharmoniagropius4486]

@@bobblade2681 in a meta where hazards are everywhere, Hamurott is one of the best

[@Hunted0LessShirt]

@@bobblade2681 VGC is too fast to be interested in Spikes most of the time. There's only 4/6 pokemon in a battle to switch around and switching is riskier/rarer when your opponent can make two attacks in that turn. Compared to singles where switching is extremely common and whole strategies can be based around having good access to Spikes. What if this already good move, Spikes, that boosts the viability of it's users significantly, was able to do significant damage in the same turn! Why decide between clicking a solid attack or setting up hazards when you can do both with one simple button?

[@nedrostram2360]

Incineroar is awful in singles so it’s a fair trade.

[@masonstewart6232]

See, this is the part of the video that confuses me. Hisuian Samurott, unlike his Unovan counterpart, actually has a niche and means of usage, and not just that, he is in OU along the likes of Serperior and Rillaboom. He puts so little attention on how useful he is as a field setter thanks to his signature move, as well as how good sharpness really is for Samurott as almost all his physical moves are slashing moves. He is a fantastic mon for messing with the opposing mons on the field and can provide good physical support when needed. Samurott I expected to be somewhere in the bottom, despite how much I like him, but Hisuian is genuinely really good and was in the top 10 most used Pokemon in ou for quite a while after Home opened up. Even now, he is still around the reaches of 10th to 20th and so. Edit: Forgot he was only talking about VGC doubles. Yeah, he does suffer there. But in singles, he is a monster of the wastes

[@nataliecoronado4206]

A lot of these bad mons really need a new hidden ability, since that's the biggest thing holding them back. Meganium could get Thick Fat, Emboar could get Rock Head, Feraligatr could get Strong Jaw, and A-Decidueye could get Sniper or Quick Draw

[@videorelaxant2780]

Meganium should get that one ability where support moves get priority

[@funninoriginal6054]

I don't think thick fat would do a lot for Meganium, honestly, since Venu has it too plus better defensive matchups. Also dosen't Feraligatr get Sheer Force?

[@taylon5200]

90% of all these mons problems is stats. They need to either buff or lower speed stats, and just some mons that have a dumb special/physical attack Stat split where theyre both like 110. Make one 135, and the other 60. Trying to make them Jack's of all trades hurts them into unusable territory.

[@tylertrainz4460]

@@videorelaxant2780 if you’re talking about Mycelium Might, it’s the opposite, status moves get negative priority for some reason lol

[@videorelaxant2780]

@tylertrainz4460 no I'm talking about triage

[@schwarzflammenkaiser2347]

Says Meganium has good bulk>proceeds to show footage of it being 1-hit ko.

[@SomeGuy-cf2lp]

I think that was the point. It sucks

[@cutthroat795]

by an Arbok LOL

[@1YCARADOFACAO]

And by an ARBOK nontheless

[@bradevit2446]

I was hoping that GF would change Meganiums HA to Thick Fat (like they changed Empoleons HA) - we don't have a Thick Fat Grass Pokemon besides Mega Venusaur and it would kinda fit imo. Sure, there is probably more that has to be done, but at least Meganium gets better in what Wolfey mentioned in his video - taking a few hits.

[@wmzer0mw]

@@bradevit2446 TF wouldnt help meganium almost at all. Its better on a pokemon like Saur because of the poison typing. I honestly dont know what can be done to help Meganium at all. Maybe Fairy typing, or buff leaf guard to weaken spreadmoves in the sun ?

[@CordyBrush]

Meganium not being made Fairy type was such an missed opportunity..

[@DCchamp-zn9gk]

Umm. Buddy, have you played any game before gen 6

[@CordyBrush]

@@DCchamp-zn9gk maybe I should have clarified: I meant that they should have given Meganium the Fairy Type like they did to Gardevoir, Azumarill etc :P

[@highdefinition450]

​@DCchamp-zn9gk i love how arrogant this reply sounds because everyone except you understood they meant adding it in gen 6, not having it by default lmao

[@ijneb1248]

​@@DCchamp-zn9gkhave you?

[@DCchamp-zn9gk]

@@ijneb1248 yes. I’ve played gen 2 3 and 4. Let’s not argue

[@lucacaccamese3417]

I feel like this really highlights the differences between singles and VGC, because Samurott-H is absolutely monstrous in singles, and Feraligatr is niche but pretty good.

[@destructocat1960]

And emboar was huge for speed running for awhile

[@arthurfleck4320]

Incineroar was intentionally designed by Gamefreak to be busted. Even in the anime, Incineroar is described as "the ultimate Fire Pokémon".

[@MegaSpamziken1996]

does the anime also explain why Blaziken got Speed Boost as a HA and got banned from singles for 3 gens straight?

[@arthurfleck4320]

@@MegaSpamziken1996 first off, that was most likely an oversight. Prior to Gen 5, Gamefreak didn't realize how powerful Speed Boost could be, as the only Pokémon that could get it before Blaziken were Pokémon with bad stats and even worse typing, namely Ninjask ans Yanmega. Second of all, Gamefreak doesn't balance for singles.

[@MegaSpamziken1996]

@@arthurfleck4320 fair enough I guess, thanks for the explanation😁

[@ltsMarcel]

I was wondering why he didn’t do best starter, and then I remembered *INCINEROAR*

[@SamoIsKing]

Ash Gren was more broken than Incineroar ever was.

[@lookerlad]

​@@SamoIsKing ash gren is not good in vgc and he only talks about vgc

[@Kier_1]

@@SamoIsKing Read the name of the channel. . . Really carefully

[@jhaydenjoecredo3761]

​@@SamoIsKing ash greninja would never beat mega ray,primal groudon,primal kyogre,and xerneas in terms of usage

[@GiraultAndrea]

​@@SamoIsKingyou know we're talking about doubles right?

[@AdnanAlgihani-lj4br]

Wolfe: Think about all the good grass pokemon!: Rillaboom: Sets up Grassy Terrain, tanks damage, deals damage back Wo-Chien: ... Ogerpon: Supports its team, does huge damage

[@cristhianmontoya6648]

Wo Chien part took me out 🤣

[@templarstealth4712]

That was vile

[@BolderBrooklyn]

Live Wo-Chien Reaction: }øvø{

[@moonjelly5]

I'm kinda surprised Ludicolo wasn't on that list. He sweeps in rain and counters water pokemon.

[@camoveteran2219]

I don't understand the hate for Wo-Chien. It's ability is basically Intimidate, and it doesn't need to switch out for the drop to take effect.

[@hollow_edition]

14:21 As a UNITE player, I'm genuinely terrified of Decidueye, it can just cut your HP by third out of nowhere, and keep doing so until you locate where this thing is...

[@SinisterPixel]

I say give Meganium fairy as a secondary typing, give it a little more bulk, and access to a bunch of supporting moves that it doesn't already have. Throw in Moonblast for additional coverage

[@feezee5196]

Typholsion: What is my Purpose? VGC: You use Choice Scarf Erruption Typhlosion: Ohh my God...

[@Lauren_C]

Loved Typhlosion in triples. Fire Gem boosted Eruption in sunlight, wiped literally half my opponent’s team in a single move.

[@mopiey1k]

Bro Hisuian Typhy is good if used right though. I've had it deal with Fluttermane,Basculegion, and even managed to get it to one shot Rapid Strike Urshifu with Eruption so it's really really devastating In singles. Yiu just gotta play around it and be clever. If done right you can end up getting into situations where Typhlosion overwhelms the opponent

[@soaringraven0]

and Serperior with Contrary Leaf Storm. she really needs another move to use with it, like Draco Meteor if she were a dragon type

[@mopiey1k]

@soaringraven0 Serperior with Draco meteor would be a nightmare I love it. Plus Tera Dragon that thing And yoh got a monster. Plus choice scarf and damn- Flutter Mane would be pissing their non existent pants

[@Cr3zant]

But if you use choice scarf instead of heavy duty boots your eruption loses all of its power the second stealth rocks come out.

[@pawedziedzic3250]

Typhlosion is the only Johto starter _and_ the only Hisuian starter to not make this list. What a win

[@timurtheking]

Thats why we roll with cyndaquil

[@Sakurafluttershy]

So glad my buddy keeps winning

[@Reiner547]

I just love him

[@dixieslav1274]

We take these. Typhlosion forever.

[@StarDraws555]

Cyndaquil line my ride or die forever ✊

[@GenericMcName]

Remember Gen 2 where Typhlosion could learn Thunder Punch? Good days.

[@SevNeijiVee]

**Emboar:** 1) _item held:_ *leppa berry* 2) _moveset (in this order bc one move works in a specific order):_ *_• Rest_* *_• Sleep Talk_* *_• Bulk up_* *_• Fire Punch_* 3) _ability:_ *doesn't really matter, but whatever works best with the above moveset)* 4) _primary fully maxed & bred-for stat:_ *Special Defense.* 5) _secondary fully maxed or bred-for stat:_ *Attack.* This big angy piggy carried many of my teams in gens 5-7. Locally competitively, at that.

[@lightningvolt3150]

emboar lmao

[@SevNeijiVee]

@@lightningvolt3150 xD it's like the Spanish Inquisition: *_"NEUWBOH'Y EHKSPECTS US!!!"_* And I know emboar is garbage but I love to egg breed & super/hyper train horrible Pokémon in cycles to catch competitive players off guard. But still... HM, EMBOAR. **Laughs, Sips Blo'Hole Blast**

[@ruinguardwillcommitacrimea6213]

The ability actually matters, if you're reckless you have no ability, depending on the ability you would change fire punch to flare blitz (you would still be walled really hard by any mon with flash fire or if it resist fire)

[@SevNeijiVee]

@@ruinguardwillcommitacrimea6213 solution: Just have backup. It's why I ran Greninja with 🎲.

[@brianflores2380]

Pokemon: breaks the fire and fighting cycle Wolfe: “Delphox is forgettable” Me: Always remembers Delphox for that reason lol.

[@vampirelibrarian777]

fr Delphox is my fave starter pokemon lmfaoo maybe that’s just cause it was my first starter though

[@gottesurteil3201]

Forgettable was just not fair to call it.

[@Psychic_Jaylen]

​@@vampirelibrarian777 Delphox is the best starter ever and my dead psychic companion

[@freedom3208]

i've always thought people would like it more if it had a better pose in-game, it looks so boring how it's always a-posing, just look at how much cooler it looks on the fanmade animated sprite wolfey used in the video

[@Jurgen411]

@@freedom3208 100% agree. So weird that it's just standing up straight, and then the ear fire could've been cool if it was animated or actual fire. Definitely my favorite to use in XY and so disappointing they missed so hard with the 3D model

[@krampus7554]

Hearing that Hisuian Samurott is "worse" than the normal Samurott sounds like an insult towards someone who plays singles i know Wolfey's opinion on Samurott is based on Doubles (who would've guessed) usage but those words still sound so surreal to a person who only plays singles

[@lillyie]

if this was about singles the incineroar meme on his videos won't exist

[@krampus7554]

@@lillyie I know but its still just weird hearing such stuff of course you cant compare singles with Doubles its already incomparable because of the existence of Moves like Helping hand or Rage powder/Follow Me which only work for doubles while Moves like Spikes,Stealth rock etc which technically work in doubles are mostly used in singles i just wanted to point it out as something showing just how different both Gamemodes are

[@prashantgoswami2]

That's cause his channel name is wolfey "vgc"

[@druidt8949]

Maybe if it wasn't in a format dominated by a Fairy type delete button, and if Rapid didn't exist, it might have eventually found a niche, but yeah, H-Sam just isn't anything special in Doubles

[@itztaytay2]

For you non singles players H-Samu is OU (top tier) and normal is *ZU* (the 6th and worst tier). The difference between the 2 is insane

[@thehulk86]

it's almost as if grass is a horrifically weak type in general with as many weaknesses as the other two starter types combined. the only thing grass is useful for is hitting water/ground pokemon

[@MrGamerofmusic]

Magician Delfox was fun in generation 6! I stole so many Assault Vests and survived hits that would have otherwise knocked out Delfox! I was an anti meta player and saw the “communication error has occurred” screen a lot back then XD

[@squiddorito]

Typhlosion being in the thumbnail but not on the list was a jumpscare and a half

[@lazykatie42069]

Sceptile's the only mon on the thumbnail that actually made it to the video lol

[@laserbeamlightning]

All three on the thumbnail are my regional picks and I nearly had an ulcer

[@EMPJetTrooper]

@@laserbeamlightning Bruh same

[@kimsune850]

same bro

[@ClockworkRavenXIII]

Fortunately scarf eruption will never be bad lol

[@WeebHistoryVGC]

Whoa good thing Wo-chien has the Tablets of Ruin. Dude is out here catching strays.

[@arqueic4602]

Literally all my favorite starters were on this list. Feelsbadman

[@AllArePunished]

I was so worried about the last slot going to my boy Typhlosion that I forgot Meganium existed.

[@Raiya867]

I just noticed that the Hoenn starter's abilities mainly revolves around speed. Sceptile - Unburden Blaziken - Speed Boost Swampert (Mega) - Swift Swim

[@vgamer4993]

GO GO GO G-G-G-G-GO GO! GOTTA GO FAST!

[@amvjin6760]

with blaziken mega also having SB

[@badrinath5306]

DAMP!!!

[@2WarriorJay8]

Interesting because that game had the mach bike which at the time made the player move faster than ever before previously.

[@lipika2841]

Additionally, all the Kanto Starter's abilities center around the use of Weather. Venusaur - Chlorophyll, Charizard - Solar Power & Blastoise - Rain Dish & the abilities of Galar Starters mostly revolve around higher damage output. Rillaboom gets to use boosted Grass moves under the Grassy Terrain, Cinderace is able to receive STAB on any type, & Inteleon with Sniper does increased damage whenever it lands critical hits.

[@epicwashcloth5677]

Hisuian Samurott is like the epitome of a singles mon. In singles it can change the game, in doubles ur basically already down 3 to 4. But cool otter mustache 😎

[@Skeloperch]

Hazards are kind of worthless in Doubles since you don't switch nearly as often as in Singles. In Singles, Hamurott is a menace since it will do a huge chunk of damage + set up spikes 90% of the time. Even max bulk Pelipper is eating 31 - 37% of its HP from a single Ceaseless Edge from a Jolly Samurott. Rillaboom is eating 45 - 53% without bulk investment.

[@masonmickelsen1447]

I was about to comment about how good it is in singles. Thanks!

[@cielbie8251]

Contrary to popular VGC belief, gamefreak does actually consider competitive singles sometimes when it comes to designing mons and moves.

[@monochromekirby2919]

Incineroar is the opposite of Hamurott, which is funny since they're both dark type starters. The Heel Wrestling cat dominates VGC while in Singles, it's in Neverused tier.

[@Xios_Angelis]

Iirc Feraligatr also has a notable presence in singles

[@1funneh1]

“Decky-dooie” is unironically the best way to call Decidueye. Sounds like that name could be used for another mon as well lol.

[@drshemp45]

Unburden felt like a betrayal for Sceptile, especially after Blaziken got Speed Boost. Exactly like you said, Sceptile's already fast out of the gate... What I think would have been the better idea, would've been to give Sceptile Sharpness instead. STAB for 50%, Overgrow for 50%, and Sharpness for 50%, and you'd be looking at a 150% damage increase to certain moves, like Leaf Blade. And for Mega, if Sceptile's had DROUGHT instead of lightning rod, you'd be able to land Solar Blade successively with NO charge up, which stacks with STAB, Overgrow, and Sharpness... on top of that, the dragon type provided with Mega would help defend sceptile from any fire types boosted by the drought effect.

[@zomorion9183]

9:29 OK but that sprite art of Delphox goes so hard. Way better than it's 3D counterpart, even in SV.

[@ki11ert]

nah I thought the same thing

[@frankcastle9691]

Why are you watching this crap he's probably a child molester.

[@danielbarnes1241]

What you don't like the unmoving traffic cone?

[@Jackyanimations010]

Meganium: *How many times must I be thrown under the bus...*

[@rinabegum-xh3wq]

Until the end of time itself

[@sillylittleterapagos]

Or I could end Time himself with my Meganium, wait for a bit, I’m gonna go destroy Dialga(Again).

[@nicocchi]

Niantic genuinely took pity on the thing lmao Feraligatr as well for that matter.

[@Sayyble]

We need the fairy type for her if we her in ZA

[@Captain1455]

Hearing this makes me want to make a competitive Meganium. Hell all of them!

[@nahuelsantillan9664]

I think it's worth mentioning that Feraligatr is useful in competitive Pokemon GO now

[@armandoalvarado3956]

Also meganium was way stronger in the early seasons of GO Battle League

[@screw_u_drew]

As an Emboar fan I'll always be so pissed about it having 100 special attack... just WHY ?! It's physical attack is much better and it has the reckless ability so who the hell is gonna run flamethrower on this thing ? It should have 60 S.A and a bonus 20 in both defenses to at least have a different play style than the last two fire starters 💀😭

[@BlueBasD]

I love how wolfey mentioned wo-chien just for existing.

[@ilpiste]

If serperior didn't have contrary, Unova would have the worst starters in competitive

[@Ray-wz8sg]

could also say the same about Johto if Typhlosion didn't get a Hisuian form

[@user-lh7mt7zo7l]

Honestly I think they're the worst trio of all time and we got stuck with them for two games straight 😭

[@Robscule]

Nah, its have high speed mid defence, good for supporting Its have glare, a recovery move(im forget the name but grass type move), and coil. Atleast its do something for me

[@Katherine-ou6lb]

@@Robscule Synthesis?

[@legendarydragoon]

When Gen 5 came out, I hacked in a Sandile as my starter, because it was more interesting to me than the starters they offered.

[@jorbur3604]

Meganium was my first starter Pokemon so I love it, and it hurts to always know it's going to be listed as the worst starter Pokemon. Already knew it was going to be #1 on this list :/ Maybe one day they'll give it Grass-Fairy regional form with good stats and moves.

[@davidmercer1288]

Those Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories sfx hit me with such a strong wave of nostalgia 😄 Great vid Wolfe!

[@lbelypokelbely1137]

As someone who had Chikorita as my FIRST Pokémon EVER. I saw the number one slot coming.

[@vaporeonice3146]

I don’t think I ever registered how similar Meganium’s stats are to Venusaur’s. They basically took 20 of Venusaur’s special attack and put it in defense. That’s obviously massive in VGC where games are so fast-paced, and Venusaur’s Poison typing is mostly helpful. But it’s wild how one of the best Grass types ever looks so statistically similar to the worst Grass-type starter. They really gave Venusaur everything under the sun.

[@itztaytay2]

Venu having Sleep Powder, Chlorophyll, and STAB Sludge Bombs goes a loooong way especially with that extra spattk. Not to mention it got both a Mega and GMax to keep it relevant over gens

[@UncleJrueForTue]

That's because Meganium and the other gen 2 staters base stats are literally copy pasted from the gen 1 starters. Feraligatr's stats are the same values as Blastoise, just flipped to be offensive and Typhlosion is the exact same as Charizard.

[@Mintysaur]

Hehe. Everything under the SUN indeed

[@vaporeonice3146]

@@Mintysaur I didn’t realize the pun until I said it, but I stand by it 😝

[@blazingphoenix7720]

It’s weird that Wolfey never mentions when over looking stats that having an equal amount of your stat pool committed to both special attack and physical attack stats often is what makes these Pokemon lack specialization in all other stats. Almost always it is better to have one type of attack significantly higher than the other to “free up” stats points for other areas.

[@SnipeGhost]

as someone who edits i can say you easily have one of the best editors I’ve ever seen dude grinding his ass off to make these. props mr editor

[@ParroTiest]

If Swampert gets a new ability, bro will be a huge threat imo Justice for my Boi swampert

[@DiverseComedyGaming]

It’s mega ability has taken over national dex in Pokémon showdown, so broken

[@ButtAflyLP]

Like sap sipper? No for real though, they could give it regenerator

[@cornonjacob]

It actually has almost the same stats as Incineroar, 5 more HP, 5 less attack, and 5 more special attacks. Give it regenerator and some decent support moves and it'd be amazing in VGC

[@sonicwave779]

Sap sipper :)

[@ParroTiest]

@@DiverseComedyGaming sadly it’s not the same for vgc where all he gets is damp

[@karazsteel]

Charizard: What if I stopped being a flying type? Typhlosion: 😮

[@victorydarts1899]

what if I had eruption:

[@Warlord_Megatron]

Zard: -What if?- I am gonna get 2 mega evolutions in the next game

[@imperialfish454]

"What is the wors-" It's Meganium. I knew that when I saw the title. Which is a shame cause I love that whole evolution line and I will never pick any other gen 2 starters, fight me. But yeah they obviously suck. That didn't stop me from a 7 hour shiny grind for a Chickorita starter tho did it?

[@ShyShyTAS]

For Delphox, I like to use the Flannery strat which is Overheat + White Herb. This is a good way for me to get use out of Magician but again, it's good for most situations.

[@Amanda_move]

Short answer: inceinaror if it was the worst.

[@megaphoneca]

Incineroar vs contrary

[@PedroHenrique-mk5zi]

There is a non-zero chance that the 8 Starters showcased in this video are the 8 favorite Starters of someone.

[@somerandomweeb4836]

That person is unhinged if they exist

[@danang5]

and it sucks for them that those pokemon sucks,and they deserve better

[@dimaginarylaw]

I could totally believe all the grass starters here were someone's favourites because they are all really cool

[@tintedpalette653]

I’d believe it. Majority of what is covered in this video is not relevant to what makes people decide their favorite starter. The start of the video says as much, it’s just looking at competitive viability.

[@ruiribeiro8010]

Samurott and Decidueye are my 2 favorite starters. Both were given non sensical trash stat distributions, useless abilities and a mid movepool and nothing to compensate

[@BeeWaifu]

19:48 It also travels through vents. Because it's a mushroom so it has spores.

[@anonymousalligator7994]

13 seconds to mention incineroar must be a record, even for Wolfey

[@prashantgoswami2]

That wo chien slander at 19:56 made me laugh.😂

[@CrimsonCarousel]

That Wo-Chien subtle diss was hilarious.

[@LuckyLadTV777]

"Feraligatr, more like Garbaligatr" - Wolfey 2024 quote of the year

[@SpiderLydia]

So interesting to me to see how a lot of nuzlocke champions made it pretty high onto this list. I haven't delved too deep into VGC content, Wolfey is kind of gateway, so I find these differences super cool. And then Meganium. Terrible at both. Forsaken by Arceus. But stinking adorable and I'll love her until I die.

[@christopherholladay1015]

I love how some rom hacks give Meg the Triage ability along with draining kiss and the fairy typing. That plus a little more bulk and shes viable.

[@Skeloperch]

You also need to give it Calm Mind and/or Earth Power since it doesn't have them already. Grass and Fairy are both negged by Fire, Poison, and Steel types. Without a way to set up or hit those types for SE damage (I mean, it does have EQ), it's just going to be a particularly fat lizard rather than a real threat.

[@ericburns4846]

Notice there’s no Chesnaught to be seen here- proof that y’all hate him because you’re told to hate him. Keep my squirrel’s name out ya mouth

[@NoLongerUseThis]

Thank you fellow Chesnaught fan

[@sei7015]

Chesnaught Is súper Bulky and got cool support moves , Pretty good my Man

[@gergabbin933]

I think chestnaught is hated for it's design not his usefulness it looks like a weird grandpa.

[@_rishi_6958]

@@gergabbin933 exactly. when first heared the community hated the final evolution of chespin (who is f.cking cool, design-wise), i was like "wht? really?". then its final evo came to my mind, together with greninja&delphox, and i was like "understandable.."

[@tylerm6352]

FACTS chesnaught underrated defensive god

[@kuma9578]

13:26 killing shiny psyduck is a warcrime

[@NikoJr.]

"Delphox is one of the most forgettable starters ever" Not in certain parts of the internet it's not (though even in that case, it's overshadowed by its pre-evolution)

[@iancastro1327]

I remember a tier list of worst starters and Meganium had its own tier called Meganium

[@thundereagle4130]

Ironically it was the best starter of the 3 when it came out in gen 2.

[@iancastro1327]

@@thundereagle4130 i reaaaaally doubt it

[@thundereagle4130]

@@iancastro1327 Watch False Swipes Gaming's video about Maganium or look up some Smogon articles about the gen 2 meta game/Meganium. Tough ''good'' is subjective. All 3 starters where bad. Only Meganium had some good matchups since the gen 2 meta is all about bulk.

[@dse763]

In my tier list, it's only one in the F rank and I'm just mad about it.

[@Cr3zant]

@@thundereagle4130 That's not when it came out. We didn't get "metas" until ADV. That was when the game as we know it started being played. Everything before then was just using stadium as a medium.

[@KingChiggy]

Is it bad that after talking about Samurott and Decidueye I whole heartedly expected number 1 to be my boy Typhlosion COMPLETELY FORGETTING that Meganium existed? lol

[@user-ir1rs7jq6u]

The thing is Typhlosion actually has a niche as a fast Eruption user, having great speed and usable SpAtt and access to the aforementioned Eruption, it is actually usable unlike most of the stuff on this list.

[@masonstewart6232]

@@user-ir1rs7jq6u Hisuian Samurott was done dirty for being an OU pokemon. But then again, he was purely speaking from a VGC standpoint

[@CSDragon]

I'm a little confused why Delfox is so high on the list. All the ones before it were like "this guy's such a joke, can't do anything" then delfox is like "yeah, this guy's alright. Not great but has some good points" At least put it at a better position than Embroar and Feraligator,, dang :

[@Poisionfang]

This may be a hot take, butni kinda feel that starter pokemon should start strong, but taper off as the game progresses. The starter pokemon are special, you are choosing the partner that got you on youre adventure. However as you get more badges, more access to better pokemon, the training wheels should come off at some point and reward you for actually catching new and better pokemon. As they are now, most (emphasis on MOST) starters kinda just become auto-include through the whole game, and only AFTER you beat the game do you really consider other options

[@JetblackJay]

The worse thing is people run Bayleaf Eviolite in competitive over meganium 😢

[@Kereea]

Yep. As someone who likes the line, it get ALL the relevant moves (Reflect, Light Screen, Giga Drain and Heal Pulse if you get it as an Egg Move) with 120 in both defenses being better than Meganium's 100. Like, if you wanted Meganium to Do It's Job, the job its movepool says it should do, cute 40 Speed and a lot of Atk since it uses neither, give that to defenses and SpAtk, put it in Trick Room, and let it be the annoying screen-setter/drainer it WANTS to be.

[@Fishtenders]

I love how this isn’t a “Best Starter” video because if you’re familiar with Wolfey, you already know the answer

[@dse763]

There's no competition for best double battles Starter.

[@MegaSpamziken1996]

hint: it's a dual Fire type, introduced after gen 2 and before gen 8, has one of the most broken abilities and used to have a signature move, before it was turned into a TM the following gen

[@StardustADV]

I did have some minor success with decidueye in ranked (not enough to keep using it), though it only ever gets picked 1 in 4 matches so i still quit using it. I EV train for max HP, split between SP Def and atack, then run weakness policy as item. moves; Spirit shackle, Shadow Sneak, sucker punch, and whatever i feel like for coverage it will faint before it ever uses. I only pick it if at least 3 of the oponents pokemon are super effective special attackers. Hence why it never gets picked. first turn, spirit shackle, pray they tale the weakness policy bait and you dont faint. then just spam shadow sneak or sucker punch... Ya, won a few matches for me, not the strongest set. But it let me use a pokemon i liked as my ghost type before i just switched back to dragapult (which i also like) So in the end, still not worth using. Just a fun experiment. You are all welcome to build on it, maybe we can find a set that works.

[@stevensmith3388]

Learn something new all the time from wolfey ive had legends arc for a year and totally forgot about hisu samur

[@Darkforce213]

What makes Long Reach worse is that Spirit Shackle, Decidueye's signature move, already doesn't make contact.

[@iammaxhailme]

proposed new meganium signature ability: flower power during intense sunlight, all healing is doubled (leech seed, leftovers, giga drain, etc) and passive damage is halved (poison, burn, toxic, etc)

[@vgmaster02]

...or they just do what Radical Red did? Make it grass/fairy and give it Comfey's ability of priority on all heal moves? (yes, that includes moves like Giga Drain, meaning prio Giga Drain)

[@exgardevior]

Still trash... it needs better bulk and movepool... i hope they give it a mega form and boost the right stats in that form

[@Dragonoid269]

@@exgardevior Arguably fairy typing is the best type in the game alongside steel. Sure, it'll not be seen in OU and doubles, but it might at least make it viable in the lower tiers.

[@luigimanzelli3786]

@@Dragonoid269 people fangirl fairy typing too much, i don't see it being that good defensively unless paired with another S tier typing (like fairy steel and fairy water) and it also synergizes poorl with grass, they don't compensate each other at all. Honestly i think meganium is a lot cause it would need a major rework, and something that actually matters, should probably start by giving it spore, then maybe something else can start mattering.

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

@@luigimanzelli3786 It's the math on the type chart that actually says Fairy is way too strong. Defensively, the 5 best types are Steel, Ghost, Poison, Fire, and Fairy according to the math. Fire is held back defensively by being the only type that is weak to BOTH of the top 2 offensive types. For the record, Water and Electric are 6th and 7th, and no other types can reasonably be considered good defensive typings. Offensively, Ground and Rock take the top 2 spots indisuptably, being the only two types with more super effective interactions than resisted/immune, and on top of that ALSO having a large number of super effective interactions. There are only 5 types that have equal numbers on each side, those being Fire, Water, Ice, Flying, and Fairy. Those are the top 7 offensive typings. In addition, there are other good coverages types for seeking neutral/super effective damage, either through having a lot of things it hits for super effective damage like Fighting or by having very few things that it doesn't hit for neutral or better like Dragon or Ghost. Other offensive typings have their niches to be sure, but this is just how the chart breaks down. If you'll notice there, Fairy, Fire, and Water are the only ones appearing in the top 7 on both sides. But, Fairy also has the distinction of not having negative interactions defensively with any of the good offensive types. The only way to take advantage of its weaknesses is to use bad moves. The reason Fairy is the single best type in the game is because it is good on both offense and defense, without the glaring weaknesses to other top contenders that the rest have. To be fair... Steel is a horrible offensive type, but also by far the best defensive type. As in, if you take every possible type combination, there are 171 possible typings, and the top 15 are all Steel dual typings. It is a contender for best type not by being good at everything, but by being so much better than everything else at what it does that you cannot ignore it. All this to say... if you're asking what the best type is, the only ones even in contention are Steel, Fairy, and Ground. There isn't a legitimate argument for any of the rest. A bit wordy here, but since I've done all this breaking down, a few more notes won't hurt. Water and Fire both resist 3 of the top 7 offensive typings, and while Fire has a better balance of weaknesses to resistances it is also weak to both of the top 2 offensive types while water is weak to 0 of the top 7 just like Fairy. However, where Water may have a debatable lead defensively due to how important its specific resistances and weaknesses are by comparison, Fire is the better offensive type to balance that out, both hitting exactly 1 of the top 7 defensive types for super effective damage and Fire's being the objectively best defensive type, while Fire also just hits more total types for super effective damage on top of that. Short summary... Type chart math. That's what makes Fairy the best type in the game.

[@mostlyafk3196]

typhlosion nowhere on the list? *SCORE!* a good day for my beloved basic stage cyndaquil

[@declanallen2492]

While I will agree that Torterra lax, meaningful competitive impact, calling it the worst starter from its generation is down right egregious.

[@CrazyWS]

Every pokemon I chose as a starter in every game making this list.

[@Fattmann257]

ME TOO HOW

[@JustinObi54]

Yeah, that hurts

[@FlamingZelda3]

it's alright. all these mons have their different purposes. Some of them are decent in singles, some are good when playing through the game, and decidueye is really cool in pokemon unite. It's unfortunate what happened to magnium. It's a sun based grass type born in a gen without abilities or strong weather. As the gens went on it never got the buffs or expanded movepools that other starters got and so it just kinda stayed bad. Conceptually meganium would be a good mon for running things like bodyslam, synthesis, solar beam, stun spore, leech seed, (follow me if we're talking doubles), rest, maybe even earthquake or some other coverage move for damage. It would basically sit there and deal chip damage while healing in the sun and spreading status. In theory a pretty cool mon.

[@TheERICSON12]

Could also use a second typing, grass dragon ,or grass fair would work fine.​@@FlamingZelda3

[@robotom6595]

My beef with Sceptile is how they kinda ruined its identity the next generation. Sceptile was supposed to be a fast PHYSICAL attacker, Leaf Blade and all that, learns good cutting/slashing moves. Oh but now we're in Gen 4 so those moves are useless now cause you're still a special attacker ._. idk why they didn't AT LEAST swap Sceptile's Atk and Spl Atk going into Gen 4. Resulted later in Mega Sceptile being a lizard with a rocket tail ???

[@XC11301991]

This so much. GF's design sense for Sceptile is criminally bad.

[@Palosaks]

Sceptile was never a physical attacker. In gen 3 it was still a special attacker, but grass moves were all special in gen 3 so leaf blade was actually good on it. Then when the physical/special split came in gen 4 they made leaf blade physical which made it a worse option on Sceptile but a good option for the other pokemon that got access to it in gen 4, with Sceptile now having energy ball to replace leaf blade. Energy ball and leaf blade even have the same base power so Sceptile didn't lose anything, if anything it preferres energy ball over leaf blade because of energy ball's chance to lower the target's special defense instead of leaf blade's higher critical hit chance.

[@Gigi-zr6hp]

​​@@XC11301991 phys and sp. attack split only came after gen 3 lmao

[@Gigi-zr6hp]

​@@Palosaks facts

[@jinkun2629]

Knowing Gamefreak, they probably just didn't want to have all 3 Hoenn starters be physical attackers.

[@dragonninja3655]

Chikorita was fantastic in the mystery dungeon games. Razor leaf could hit far away enemies, synthesis could heal without items, etc. Plus with her cute ponytail "I'm on an adventure" design, chef's kiss. That is where my love for the chikorita line comes from.

[@3DSCarnaje]

No way you give props to the ugly af bird but don't talk about how cool samurott looks.

[@squilliam2813]

Meganium’s comeback in Pokemon ZA is gonna be amazing

[@thezerowulf2046]

Mega evolution with fairy typing

[@NotSnak]

​@@thezerowulf2046even better? Give it a new regionsl form and give that a mega too that way even if megas dont come back meganium can still exist.

[@M1551NGN0]

The thumbnail showing the crying Empoleon rlly scared me, just yesterday I was seeing how the ability "competitive" made the little penguin a menace.

[@highdefinition450]

weird choice to include him fr lol

[@agatha6999]

Maybe that Empoleon has torrent lol

[@ayrtonalmeida4762]

the fact that Feraligatr and Torterra are Terrible competively hurts me sooo much

[@danhatter6823]

Honestly the bit of pronouncing Meganium’s name differently every time you reference it is hilarious

[@insheepsclothing5574]

At least the Chikorita line redeems itself in Mystery Dungeon where she can be a good enough partner... I guess?

[@jamiefenwick8359]

I mean Mystery dungeon balancing is strange, skitty of all Pokémon is the completely over powered starter.

[@code_error_]

The jab at MoxieBoosted’s usage of Wo-Chien at 19:57 still got me laughing

[@MeltinStareSounds]

care to explain? I don't know the backstory but sounds fun

[@code_error_]

MoxieBoosted brings Wo-Chien to every regional

[@Quetzal00358]

13:29 calling Samurott a narwhal made me cringe so fucking hard

[@myrand_]

I love how he doesn't miss a single opportunity to hate on Incineroar

[@gRADkar]

Wolfey never fails to include inceneroar in some form in every video

[@destructiveblade7446]

Hard to say whether it is more ubiquitous in these videos or on VGC teams.

[@sei7015]

Well, in a starters video with VGC included Is almost imposible not mention Incineroar Lets be real XD

[@bush5537]

Six gens later and I'm still here asking for Sceptile's attack and special attack stats to be swapped.

[@goGothitaLOL]

Aren’t we all?

[@manunova5929]

Might as well drop it's defensive stats and pump them into offense and/or speed.

[@boowho817]

I think I legally have to fight you for having Typhlosion in the Thumbnail. Typhlosion is my ride or die pokemon. Jokes aside, I know bro is not on the list of the worst.

[@appliedatoms7066]

The refusal to throw singles a bone is irritating but understandable given this guy's background, but to still do that while ripping one-on-one footage from FSG which DOES do that is just in bad taste. A lot of these mons are downright good in what for most people is in fact the default format of battle.

[@AmazedPIKACHU]

Feraligatr : Disrespected Inteleon : Missing

[@Endershock1678]

Inteleon saw (very very minor) usage in SwSh with Razor Claw Gigantamax Shenagans.

[@hellothere2570]

Inteleon may not be amazing, but it's definitely stronger than any of these starters

[@Kereea]

That's because Feraligator's stats are Too Balanced. It doesn't excel at ANYTHING other water types cannot do. Meanwhile Inteleon goes the opposite direction with amazing speed and special attack but frail af and the attack is only middling at best. Greninja is SLIGHTLY faster but also a weaker special attacker, Primarina is SLIGHTLY higher SpAtk but much slower, while the only other Water Type to beat all three is Iron Bundle as of Gen9. So it has a niche last gen: super fast water special attacker.

[@AmazedPIKACHU]

@@Kereea inteleon has bad stats, compared to the other Galar Starters. And Primarina is reasonably Slower. And Water Types are considered the Bulkier Type, and Inteleon is not one of the Bulkier mons. And it's sadly isn't a fan-favorite like Feraligatr is.

[@AmazedPIKACHU]

@@hellothere2570 at least the Mid-Mons would handle Inteleon.

[@Helix_23]

I love the idea of meganium becoming the grass/fairy type and getting way bulkier so it's like a tanky support

[@Kereea]

Yep. As a Meganium Enjoyer, the best way to fix it stats in my opinion is to take 40 Speed and 40-ish Attack off, put its defenses at 130 each and up up SpAtack and HP by the rest. Let it be a Trick Room Screen Setter/Drainer since it has SO many draining moves, especially if you add on Draining Kiss as a Fairy STAB drain. Also just Give It Energy Ball. Its only "good" Grass attack being Solar Beam is bad.

[@CrocodileRay]

The funny thing is, as a kid, I always thought GSC were the hardest games in the series, not even thinking that there was a possibility that my favorite starter, Chikorita, was piss awful 😂

[@pacoramon9468]

Ferraligator looks more like a dark type than most dark types.