PAYDAY 3 - We're so back

[@grandmofftogan]

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[@Pizza_872]

we are so back, time to reach 1 paydillion players🗣

[@grandmofftogan]

Chicken man DLC will make 100 paydillion dollars 🥩

[@Pizza_872]

@@grandmofftogan yes 😎

[@scottypittman1]

I'm really rooting for this game. I absolutely love Payday 2, so hearing that this game was in production before it released got me hyped, and I was super bummed to hear that it had a bad release. I'm hoping that they can bounce back like Cyberpunk and make this game as beautiful as it should've been, and as beautiful as I know it can be!

[@grandmofftogan]

@@scottypittman1 It's not quite there yet, but the future of Payday 3 is looking bright!

[@Mpkki]

They listen to criticism, that's already a big green flag. Reminds me more of No Man's Sky honestly than cyberpunk

[@nol2521]

@@MpkkiThey have a lot more work to do before we should even think about comparing it to no man’s sky

[@yarghhargh9345]

The main thing holding the game back in my opinion now is the edge, grit, rush skill system. They've given it a good shot trying to make it work but now that they're not doing the whole "we don't wanna be payday 2" thing anymore, the skill system needs a complete overhaul from the ground up.

[@grandmofftogan]

@@yarghhargh9345 I think a skill rework will come eventually, Payday 2 did the same thing a few years after launch if I remember correctly. The armor rework blog came out of nowhere so it could happen anytime.

[@Chakawatts]

They should add a class system actually with each class dedicated to a specific role Class 1 - Oppressor: Excels at Crowd Control and Hostage Taking and deploys Armor Bags Class 2 - Medic: Keeps the team alive and healthy and deploys Medic Bags Class 3 - Demoman: Excels with Throwables like Grenades and Flashbangs and deploys Ammo Bags Class 4 - Engineer: Excels with drills and deploys Sentry Guns Class 5 - Ghost: Excels in Stealth and Deploys ECM’s

[@SonOfHubris]

that system is what makes the game fun ngl

[@Dis_Dis]

I feel like that system would work better if the whole edge, rush thing was stackable to some degree. Because right now the skills you unlock don't give you that much of an advantage while the edge ush thing only give 10% bonus. Like, my build refreshes edge and grit everytime I partial reload but would I bother for 10%? If it was stackable however then there would be an incentive to keep edging.

[@spacebp]

Just stumbled upon this video after looking at Payday 3 reviews and man, how do you only have 80 subs?? Very informative and quick to the point! Here's a sub! Looking forward to some more Payday 3 content!

[@grandmofftogan]

That means a lot, I really enjoy playing Payday so I'll be covering all the news surrounding it from now on!

[@YeetaIta]

Great video thank you for making it, perfectly summarizes the past year, as well as what’s to come and what we still need. I’m sharing this with friends

[@grandmofftogan]

Thank you! That means a lot.

[@Perdidu]

Year 2 wishlist (if anyone actually reads this and wants to add something, just reply) - Add a medic cop (or a new enemy, the techie sucks) - Another stronger version of a dozer - More different cop uniforms - More variety in heists - More achievements for achievement hunters - Rework skill system and make a decent one - Add a server browser and lobby system - Infamy rewards - If possible, make the game run offline - Make a career mode - Make gun attachments more useful and switch stat bars for numbers - Add a actually customizable safehouse - Add preplanning back - Add votekick - Make a daily favored heist that gives more xp and money - Add more mask customization - Reward cards at the end of heists (a little feature that made the experience so much more enjoyable) - Add gambling or something so we have more ways to spend ingame money (gotta feed the addiction) - Maybe add community weapons like the card throwables to make people follow payday on steam. - Crime spree event would go so hard I do enjoy some of Payday 3's features, but it lacks so many of the good ones from it's predecessor, year 1 is a good first step on the ladder, but it still feel's underwhelming. I hope to see at least some of the changes i yapped about in this (wishfull thinking if i say all of them), which i consider to be the one's that should be on the table or prioritized to shape Payday 3 into a great sequel, and hopefully make it so we have another 10 year's of the funny heist game. And of course keep putting out new heists and weapons so we keep sending you money Starbreeze.

[@grandmofftogan]

Thankfully some of these things have been confirmed, server browser is releasing next month, plus votekick and offline mode in the works. Everything you just listed would be great additions to the game, and I'm gonna add akimbo to that list.

[@BearLaKill]

I honestly think the Techie is a good addition. During the launch of Sytax she was ass because she did way to much damage and her drones were borderline silent, but now with her changes and the scrambler perk line being a good way to counter her with the drone hacking and pin pointing her exact location I think she’s a pretty good edition. What I really want from year 2 that I would add to that list is see more character interactions happen in the new heist, I don’t know what is super hard for them to do this since even the cops react to the crew doing stuff like picking up and using OVK weapons.

[@gosling_choked_floyd_POG]

Based list. I'd also like to see - different ammo types (and experiment on different weapons, why not explosive ak) - cool preplanning options, like 1 player being able to spawn inside of the level in different outfit where more area would be accessible - something like better perk deck system or traits, where it's aside from main skillline but can drastically change the game

[@Kaleidoscopegrows915]

The safe house needs to come back

[@kawaka4432]

Most of the problems are still there, a feel DLC's can't solve the dropping of the player base

[@grandmofftogan]

The game absolutely still has problems, but thankfully they're being addressed.

[@TheMPCatcher]

@@grandmofftogan If you pay...

[@ZapupaZalupa]

​@@grandmofftoganafter year lol

[@broccolin]

I think they said the UI revamp is gonna make it look like Crimenet

[@Fetch-]

Yea they stated there would be a crime net style browser

[@Ron-5374]

We are so back

[@gingerpt5714]

I love Payday 3 I will supporting this game and I hope that it will turn out good like PD2 after all the updates it got

[@britishpie7665]

Regarding perks I think what made payday 2's so great were that a lot of them changed the core gameplay, giving them a bigger impact. You had perks that revived people from a distance, fixing drills by simply hitting them, retrieving armour with headshots, sacrificing health to become an absolute tank etc. All of which you could combine to turn into builds that synergise off each other. Now I'd argue Payday 3 does this as well but to a lesser extent because of their perks function by design. And I wouldn't expect to see anything like that again to the extent of payday 2. But with there being perks that you can literally give you infinite ammo, being able to carry 2 bags or increasing your health by simply getting kills, I'd say we could potentially see a good middle ground, much like the new armour system we're getting. Oh and on top of that, some perks seriously need a lot more going on than just... running through locked doors, earning ammo for your holstered weapon or getting a buff from mantling :p

[@StarchieHalo]

Part of the problem with builds is no perk decks, that was at least 50% of a build in pauday 2 and gave huuuge variety in builds

[@grandmofftogan]

The weird thing is that the new skill system is laid out like perk decks, but function more like skills. And perk decks weren't added to payday 2 until Hoxton Breakout if I remember correctly, so maybe they'll add something similar eventually.

[@TheThirdStreetSaints133]

I just got back into Payday 3 since the Syntax Error heist man I love the updates they did. I do hope we get Multi-Day Heists Again & maybe more of the classic heists back w/ some from both games. We are so back!

[@grandmofftogan]

I definitely think they're planning on more classic heists, some of them would be so great to play with Payday 3's newer mechanics.

[@carl2032]

I pray the next legacy heist's are Panic Room and Shadow Raid

[@Chakawatts]

With Almir and Andreas leading this game now, it definitely has potential to make a comeback of the century

[@HeavySandvichGuy1]

In defense of 8 launch heists, Payday 2 launch heists were very basic with only 1 or 2 being decent. While the "Stand in Wi-Fi circle" part of Stealth in Payday 3 sucks, it's launch heists are much more interesting

[@broccolin]

I'd say the game is a 7/10 right now, its biggest problems are fixed by the end of the year. I can't wait

[@Fetch-]

I hope they don’t pull some move in a month that results in it being so over

[@arbert....8654p]

Wow 💪🔥 l come back after long time , and I love how PD3 changed crazy how good its now ❤ . l will start playing PD3 more and more now ,and make video . i L❤ve'it

[@Cyalide]

GOD how did I just find you, soothing voice, good humor, and a nice informative video? Peak content, I also really dipped interewst in Payday 3 I won't lie as I played it on launch for about 2 weeks before deciding I would stick to Payday 2 but I haven't done much upkeep and... challenges not being the only way to level up? thats enough for me to reinstall I remember eveyrone doing the penthouse mission, holing up in one of the bathrooms and just sitting for hours grinding out different weapons. its good to be back!

[@grandmofftogan]

You're too kind, and I hope that you'll enjoy Payday 3 when you come back to it! Classic progression is definitely one of the best changes they've made and honestly it's baffling that they went with challenges at first.

[@joemiles8805]

Its come along way. Hope they keep it up and it seems they will.

[@luke_0605]

i think they had to change the name because tazer is a trademarked brand name

[@grandmofftogan]

@@luke_0605 Yeah I know and it makes sense, I still think it's a silly name.

[@nnfan]

I want the safe house back too

[@grandmofftogan]

I'm glad someone else feels the same way

[@nnfan]

@@grandmofftogan I loved it the most because of the tablet where you have to crack the code to get certain achivements to get the secret ending unlocked for the White house heist it was kind of fun doing that I also fully upgraded the safehouse in PD2 haha

[@radioactiveelement471]

I was also confused when i saw there were no laser sights. When i play PD2 and even PD3 now bc it fits my build I might as well just unbind my aim button. Hipfire builds would be so much better with laser sights

[@grandmofftogan]

@@radioactiveelement471 That's a good point, maybe they thought laser sights weren't needed because we have actual crosshairs in this one, but I just think they look cool.

[@quincy29125]

u must be the nerdiest kid on the block to remember all the pd2 missions

[@grandmofftogan]

Nah I just played the game

[@quincy29125]

@@grandmofftogan u treat the game so seriously like a nerd that u remembered all the missions

[@grandmofftogan]

Settle down Quincy, with a name like that you shouldn't call someone else a nerd

[@quincy29125]

@@grandmofftogan at least i don't remember all the pd2 missions like that

[@williamheng4801]

I will say, I’ve forgotten how bad Payday 3’s release was, if thats a sign that they’re slowly but progressively cooking, I dunno what is

[@sui_offical]

In cook off what’s her face mentions old crime net when talking about ingredients so in universe they should theoretically be able to make a new crime net. Joy created cstacks why can’t she create a new crime net, the devs can just make the server browser they are working on into a new crime net and it doesn’t have to be one for one it just needs the feel of crime net then they just say joy made it using banes crime net as a base and boom

[@Rasmos]

Can you explain to me what the end game of this one is? To me, the endgame of Payday 2 was defined by experimenting with builds, weapons and playstyles to finish the hardest of heists on the hardest of difficulties. Even though certain playstyles became more irrelevant as the game got harder, there still always felt like there was a sense of choice in how you approached a lot of things. You could make a build for about anything, and people have made plenty of build guides of the sort. My biggest problem with this game is that the end game isn't as fun or worthwhile. Once you've done a heist once, it feels like replaying it isn't as fun. It feels like I'm much more restricted in this game, and it's not just due to a lack of content. Great base, but obviously much more work to be done. For my tastes, I'd prefer it to be much more sandboxxy also that standing desk joke was pretty good. keep up the good work! Also i theorize that the moment the community starts saying the game is good again, they'll fall back into being lazy. maybe we should let them cook and see what we get 6 months from now. If they can keep this energy, maybe it'll be a hit at a later date. Then, all you'll need is a Crimefest or sale where they give the game practically for free again, like with PD2 (or in one case, just fully free).

[@grandmofftogan]

Thanks for the kind words! End game is something that is still in the works it seems, and build variety is definitely being improved somewhat with the armor rework. I'm confident that they're working hard on improving the core game so we'll just have to sit tight until year 2 is in full swing.

[@Rasmos]

@@grandmofftoganI’ll keep my eye on it. I’m hoping it gets to the place Payday 2 was at its peak.

[@kolidx9398]

I hope all the players that left a bad review revisit the game, its sad that its stuck at ~41% ratings only because of the launch

[@SharplyDressedPlagueDoctor]

nope its still trash and will stay trash payday 2 is better

[@kolidx9398]

@@SharplyDressedPlagueDoctor I have nearly 700 hours in payday 2, i know that pd2 is better right now for must people just because payday 2 had 10 years of updates and pd3 had one year only. Give it some time

[@arenndups5294]

@@kolidx9398 While I agree with the part of giving it some time because I truly hope and see in some way what Payday 3 can become, we shouldn't forget that a lot of the things that Payday 2 did right were lessons over and done with and it doesn't make any sense that the devs would not apply those to Payday 3. Let's try not to give them too much of a benefit of a doubt just because Payday 3 had only one year.

[@icespicefan4771]

do you still have to grind challenges just to level up in a moderate pace?

[@grandmofftogan]

Nope, challenges have been almost completely removed and now you level up by actually playing the game.

[@icespicefan4771]

@@grandmofftogan Nice!

[@ArashCommand2313]

If they add offline mode then i buy the game the payday 2 still better

[@grandmofftogan]

Offline mode is coming at some point

[@arbert....8654p]

Offline mode = November

[@Dillyj8]

I'm so glad the people at stare breeze learned from the mistakes... unlike another company *cough cough* Activision *cough cough*

[@violablecrab3858]

1 thing they NEED to add is ”stealth” , ”loud” or stealth as far as possible then loud so people won’t get pissed during the game for a simple comminication error.

[@grandmofftogan]

@@violablecrab3858 The server browser should help with that, assuming they will have filters for stealth, loud, and hybrid.

[@guvercin4687]

Things I want from Payday 3 1. Perk decks back, at payday 2 half of the perks are same for all of them, just make some perks with 3 passive powers 2. I can't want them give us dlc weapons free but I can want them added as preset weapons for players without Dlc 3. Add Sangres Sokol Sydney and Jacket, Just buy copyrights of Richard again I dont give a fuck about John Wick 4. Let us use more than 1 Patterns and let us change X Y Z of paint 5. VOTEKICK GOD DAMMIT!!! WE JUST MAKING LOUD MISSION AND ONE OF US WANTED SLIENT BUT WE REJECTED AND HE TROLLED ENTIRE GAME BRO HE TOOK ARMORS WASTED THEM SHOOT CIVILS AND DIED TO BULLDOZER 6. Voting for Restart 3 people saied yes 1 MOTHERFUCKER said no so we dont restart

[@TheGuy-f9g]

Me and my friend were playing payday 3 and we weren't having fun so i thought why not play payday 2 and then we were having fun 👍

[@grandmofftogan]

Nothing wrong with that, Payday 2 is a classic!

[@ClassicThermite]

High hopes for the October update 🤞

[@MetalKvicken]

I enjoy the game! But it needs more core upgrade, not just more content

[@simtelefon]

I wouldn't say "back", even after all this time there's zero replayability to any of it. A year has passed and they have yet to add a single new achievement, challenge, RNG, additional loot to heists, the progression system is still unrewarding (not in terms of XP but rather mask, gun, infamy etc rewards). There's still nothing to play for.

[@Bombadill138]

F yeah, let's go Starbreeze

[@crossyastolfo8849]

And they called me a mad man... Jokes aside i'm so hyped for the armor update, i found a pretty funny build and it's a bit annoying every time let me crack the first chunk of armor to have full value from my skills

[@grandmofftogan]

The new armor is gonna be great, they managed to please Payday 2 fans as well as the 8 people who preferred Payday 3 armor.

[@beyheter]

STILL NEEDS HOSTING AND LOUD INDICATOR THEN IT WILL BE GOOD

[@grandmofftogan]

Server browser is coming next month

[@fabiobianciardi3987]

ot: I don't agree about adaptive armor. it is trash compared to the 1 plate armor paired with adrenaline some other skills and the fact that now you can carry ark on you (making it like a 4 chunk at least, but woth the 1 chunk benefits). 1 plate armor has double the downs, 20% more dmg reduction and better speed, it is better in any way or form. Guys stop using adaptive armor, it is trash. 1 plate will save your life :P

[@ParadoxBane]

Game lacks replayablitity because there are no challenges to strive for, just boring grind like every other game

[@grandmofftogan]

Personally if I like the core gameplay of a game, that will keep me playing. But yeah hopefully they add more endgame content, and hopefully you will find a game that isn't boring to you.

[@ParadoxBane]

@@grandmofftogan Yeah I liked the core gameplay from the start and liked working towards the challenges. Some of them were bad or too overtuned for sure. I just hate the "earning max xp per minute to level up" mentality. Challenges to level up was refreshing and forced people to play around more. Meta in a co op game is so boring

[@grandmofftogan]

@@ParadoxBane I find that challenges make people stop playing the game to win and instead run around doing their own things, I have no problem with challenges but they made it the only way to gain xp.

[@ParadoxBane]

@@grandmofftogan People in other games also do what they instead of trying hard to win. So I dont see that factor being eliminated completely. But didnt they reduce the need for challenges as much first before deleting them? but then still deleted them? Games are for fun, people have fun in differenent ways and not all about winning. Playing with randoms will always have pain points.

[@grandmofftogan]

I think if you want to chase challenges, you should be doing that in a private match. If I'm with randoms that are ignoring the main objective that's super irritating, why even bother playing a coop game at that point? Halo Infinite is a great example, people were throwing matches and camping weapon/vehicle spawns just to get their challenges done for battle pass rewards. Challenges have a place, but never as the main method of progression.

[@SharplyDressedPlagueDoctor]

still a bad game payday 2 on top

[@fuyu1259]

shrill

[@UNITED_STATES._______________8]

The first 2 minutes of the video are the proof that this game is better than 2 especially for console players that couldn’t do the cool mods like pc

[@grandmofftogan]

I definitely prefer the core gameplay of Payday 3, but Payday 2 is a much better package overall right now.

[@hooligan2459]

It’s still a terrible game 😂😂wdym we’re back

[@grandmofftogan]

Nice porg pfp

[@raibenhicago5372]

in my opinion you just made a frankly incompetent review that will inspire only those who did not played PD3 yet to buy it in vain, this game needs years to fill with at least some worthwhile content, and the only way to keep it alive is to arrange sales and exploit the nostalgia of the predecessor game. The game does not have a system that allows you to make interesting builds, the balance of weapons is disgusting, the design of the maps has become absolutely soulless, and the activities on the missions have been replaced with dull timers and circles, they not only did not bring anything new to the series, but also removed almost all the elements that made it at least somewhat authentic and fun. There's no point playing dead day3 when we have a functional PD2 so far, even though they tried to kill it with update 237 and they didn't even succeed, and it's still better than that.

[@Lucien_Lachance_GENS]

True and real

[@GoldenJoe9176]

Payday 3 is Amazing now look at this free stuff! 1. Adaptive armor: essentially PD2 armor system because 3’s was garbage 2. 3 New Heist…..well actually one. If Ukrainian Job is Jewelry then literally adding 2 from a previous game isn’t adding new ones, and should’ve been in from the start. 3. Cool 2 heisters from PD2 that should’ve been in from the start. 4. 3 new guns is cool for free, but Crimeboss gave me 5 in one pack for free 5. Speaking of paid DLC, Crime Boss Rockay City still beats it in Quantity for Quality because all of the DLC is free. Crime Boss ain’t perfect but it’s better than PayDay 3 🤷

[@grandmofftogan]

@@GoldenJoe9176 Never said it was amazing, I listed a lot of problems with the game too. That being said, the future of the game is looking very good right now.

[@whippy89]

@@grandmofftogan How dare you like a game that he doesn't!? - For real though, I haven't played PD3 since November, but this really looks like a step in the right direction! It looks very much improved :). I was worried Starbreeze would give up on PD3, glad to see that isn't the case. I really miss multi day heists though... The Elephant (forgot the name, the one where you put cameras in paintings) and Firestarter are my favourites!

[@grandmofftogan]

Firestarter is an absolute classic, basically 3 heists in one

[@ArashCommand2313]

so accurate devs are lazy as hell one year just pasted and they only fix the game for money not for players