PBCoR Deep Dive, Paddle Bans, Who Should Play Left, New Year Goals

[@DanGardner-xx4te]

I watch way too much pb content on youtube. PB Pursuit is my favorite weekly pod. Not too serious and not a giggle fest. Keep up the good work, men!

[@RTJ-PB]

Louis is a video production prodigy - watching his Building PB episode gave me a real appreciation of his talent- we always give Justin props (deservedly so) but let’s remember Louis’ production is a huge huge component of why this channel and pod are the best - its the magic that makes this PB power couple Go!

[@jmrybak]

I like Justin’s updated recording space! Clean and cool looking.

[@LoudBrownCloud]

The flick weights looks ideal for me. Thanks for highlighting those products!

[@aaronsegal1682]

What weight is the best to get? What does Louis have on the Invader?

[@RTJ-PB]

Louis is a video production prodigy - watching his Building PB episode gave me a real appreciation of his talent- we always give Justin props (deservedly so) but let’s remember Louis’ production is a huge huge component of why this PB power couple ( yes, Oracle your currently wifey on the right side) the best in the game!

[@biagiosguera8918]

Please do Hyperion 3s review. There are none, even less on the 14mm, which some prefer because of the smaller handle. Great work.

[@ryrysinger]

Woot woot! Email sent! Thank you! I definitely look forward to hearing more gear-talk like shoes and other accessories as well!

[@RTJ-PB]

Couldn’t agree more with Louis’ take about the paddle you don’t have to think about - for me currently that is the Pulse V - date other paddles but always come home to the Pulse V

[@frowenallen]

🎉❤❤❤ love this! Thank you!! Flick weights are the future!

[@RTJ-PB]

Congrats Louis!!! I did watch your biopic on Building PB - it was amazing - there are very few content creators who I would watch for 2 hours !

[@lauraodegaard7383]

Yes, more shoe reviews please. Any way to work women’s shoes in there? Love your podcast! Keep up the great work.

[@ArianaWilson-]

Great podcast as usual. Like the blue overgrip.

[@Olorin323]

I'd love more shoe content! Shoes have way more impact than paddle and have made a bigger difference in my game.

[@Firesong4ng]

Thinking about the list, there are soooo many paddles they need to test. (USAP) Not surprised if they delisting happens in batches. They can't just test some and not all.

[@nsj2kx]

Yes keep the shoe segments! Especially ones that are more budget friendly! Love the pod!

[@RTJ-PB]

Totally agree - love the shoes- I think it would be cool if you guys did a shoe tear down/nerdtown going through the layers and components of a tennis shoe - keep up the great work guys!

[@RTJ-PB]

Justin I have no doubt you will be 4.2 by years end - happy new years guys !

[@timothyngo933]

Yes more shoe reviews! I also got the move insoles bc of Justin’s recommendation

[@jarsace]

more shoe content would be nice to hear about!

[@vupac3000]

I vote yes on shoe segments. I’m also interested in other feet tech like insoles, padded socks, and braces. I’ve been in quite the wormhole of research since my plantar fasciitis episode lol

[@AlaricBishop1993]

What new materials do you think will be available for pickleball paddles in 2025?

[@funnyism]

Hey Guys, can you do a nerd town explanation on T700 vs 12k vs 18k + cf weave? If you did already, let me know which podcast ! Thanks

[@bigoz1971]

A shoe segment would be great! Can you do a nerd dive into paddle handle design as I totally agree that there are way too many garbage handles out there.

[@PatChaney-d7x]

Congratulations on an entertaining and informative look at all things pickleball in 2024. Extra props to Lewis for 4.0 Gold! My thoughts on shoe reviews mirror Justin 's thoughts on handles. Shoes and a paddle are the two essential items required to play and like the handle being the contact point between you and your equipment, the same is true with shoes. Might be even more important, because some shoes can cause or exacerbate foot issues. If you can't move you can't play well. Also it's an area you have expertise and passion. Kind of like paddles. Maybe it could be a separate show. Hear you are looking for another channel. This time Justin can be the host and Lewis the co-host. Enjoy all you put out. Good luck on your goals for 2025.

[@sirajkiller123]

What's the difference between the flow swift and flow prime x? Also I feel like if you just play with a paddle long enough, you get so used to it that you no longer have to think about it.

[@JeffandHali]

Yes! More shoes! It's the second most important equipment choice!

[@HotWheelsATL]

Yes! More Shoes please!

[@DianSusiana98]

Great video. I saw Fatboy and Invader also come in gold edge versions.

[@harryhoople1684]

The USAP PBCOR test only measures power (a forceful serve); not pop. To measure pop (a punch volley) the ball would have to be fired at a stationary paddle at around 30 mph. The current PBCOR test fires the ball at a stationary paddle at 60 mph.

[@alexandercochran806]

How’s those NEONIC paddles compared to Monarch? I found monarch too poppy. It had some nice power for a wide body at baseline but too poppy at kitchen for me. Fiberglass to close to top layer for my liking as for me better when I have to access it, not muted enough in the monarch as never controlled that paddle well. NEONIC both the flare and the new flow seem interesting based on y’all’s comments

[@PickleballPursuit]

The flare prime x is significantly more poppy and powerful than the monarch all court in my testing. I’m sure most would agree. The regular flare and flow swift are probably a little less poppy than the MAC

[@kimleith1378]

Hey nerds. Switched sides for 2025 eh? Liked your interview with Brian. Learning your pre-pickle history was interesting. Played with my MARK KINETIC today. Good job Justin. Do a how to with your grip Justin. Not getting how you get those ridges. New "Day" New main. Good description on PBCor test specifics. Shoes will be great. Those NewBalance are lookin good.

[@PickleballPursuit]

Idk why they did not register. I just edited the description and they seem to be working now

[@fishy7381]

We’re two days in to 2025 and you’re talking about paddles winning awards for 2025? A lot can happen in a year as you should know from the previous few years.

[@DroidX1337]

Is the updated version of the Flare Prime X the version that just shipped on the 30th?

[@PlayVole]

Can you elaborate a little more about the molded handle?

[@michaeltull5298]

Lighting is particularly exceptional for both of you in this one. Justin’s new “set” is looking great. What new balance shoes did Justin hold up?

[@Pickleballetc]

Thank you. The shoes I showed were NB Coco CG2s.

[@dsiwok]

Yes! More shoe reviews please!

[@BenjaminAndersonPickleball]

If you do more shoe segments, I'll probably skip over those, but I understand that other people might be interested in it. I'm most interested in the new paddle segments, new week new main, and nerd town.

[@LoudBrownCloud]

Yes, more shoes and other new PB gear!

[@Gary-W]

Based on Justin's PBcor comments I would think it would be possible for a paddle company to technically make a paddle that passed the PBcor test (which is basically pop) but when hitting an actual drive, when you have the force of a swing meeting the ball coming from the opposite direction could still crush the ball.. Kind of like Justin said about the ripple..

[@LouisBrown19]

Enjoy the podcast. Do you know what paddles will be coming?

[@NewsPickleballBz]

"Adding weight to the edge guard of a paddle affects its Paddle/Ball Coefficient of Restitution (PBCoR). Since paddles are only approved by the USA Pickleball (USAP) in their stock form, will lead weights be banned in 2025 as an untested modification?"

[@johnclikeman5041]

I don't know whether this is true, but it doesn't follow from anything that Justin said. He said that adding weight increases the power of the paddle, not the PBCoR. Those are not the same thing. PBCoR is a measure only of how much energy the face of a paddle returns to the ball during a collision. Actual power (meaning, how fast can you make the ball go during a game) is certainly affected by the CoR of the paddle, but it's also affected by other things like the weight of the paddle and how fast it's moving. Saying you can get more power by adding weight to the paddle is true, in the same way that it is true that you can get more power by swinging harder. It's still dependent on the ability of the athlete to do the thing.

[@wmalinak]

I have wondered why weighting is legal (for change in inertia). And (less important) does tape on every "max dimension" paddle violate Rule 2.E.5 ? \ However, I can't think of anything regarding the handle customizations (other than lengthening).

[@luisaquino5556]

Shoe segments would a pretty cool addition

[@kylepickleball]

With the Flickweight can you remove the weight and add it to another butt cap?

[@DebMcQuillen]

Happy New Year guys! I'm having trouble with Louis on the left and Justin on the right. I may have to watch in the mirror until I get used to it 😊.

[@LoudBrownCloud]

Where do you get replacement PU handle pallets? I would love to switch out these foam handles.

[@lee-kt5zt]

I would love for Nerdtown to start incorporating shoes. That would be awesome.

[@65atBestPB]

Justin … I see your point about paddles breaking bad (illegal), but I also don’t like paddles breaking legally (losing spin). Let’s say hypothetically 😉 my Pulse S at two months, 50+ hours broke in a little but still short of illegal. Let’s say also it collects very little ball dust, and I really don’t miss the Prism Flash and Apollo required wet microfiber baths after every session. Also … no apparent surface or spin change at this point. For me, the dwell spin generated from “some” 3 gen breaking is a better “breaking” than legal grit breaking. Maybe there is a nerdtown dwell spin vs grit spin. I do agree with something I heard Will say in one of his videos. Drive spin is different than kitchen spin. At the baseline on a full drive I love me some Pulse S dwell spin. But a kitchen speedup below the net … dwell ain’t going to be your friend … give me a stiff gritty light Apollo. I think “dwell” will require a definition. To me “dwell” requires paddle core deflection, not simply layers on top of polypropylene. Right now, the manufacturers have been handcuffed by the USAP “no trampoline” bs. They are stuck trying to put perfume on a turd (polypropylene). They floated that turd in edge foam … and the sad thing is it helped. 😜

[@65atBestPB]

J2TI+ prototype clean face is a big improvement 🤐

[@mr.mr.3301]

I’d love more court shoes reviews as well. But with some consideration to big and talk people who play indoor and outdoor.

[@petertran7360]

Shoes are cool.

[@mr.mr.3301]

In Nerd town, did you ever cover cleaning a paddle face? I’m not sure if cleaning helps any. It could be argued it just wears out the grit quicker. I think the theory is ball first collects and fills up the grit with ball media but I don’t think that is true. I’ve cleaned my paddles and fever felt a difference in grit performance

[@65atBestPB]

I have wondered the same thing … is wiffle debris better for spin than the original peel ply? 🤣 It’s illegal to add texture to your paddle surface, but no rule requiring you to clean your filthy paddle. New product idea … paddle cover with sticky inside. 😛

[@jetjaguar5198]

Great video. Would like to see you compare the Supercourt HX to the Shapeshfter HX vs the J2k.

[@jetjaguar5198]

Oh and two paddles I'm really looking forward to are Neonic Force Prime X & Crbn truefoam

[@alexandercochran806]

@@jetjaguar5198 if u like a heavier, stiff crisp paddle u may like trufoam. If you like the softness of kev or other gen3 like ripple of mod then you probably won’t. I hit with a pros for 5 mins so not much more than first impression but not love at first strike for me.

[@mrgreenis]

currently im palying at level 4.0. however, i am using cheap paddle with no surface grip. should i continue be using it? my thought process is that i able to train to hit better sweet spot, but definitely disadvantage to play strong drive as i got no paddle surface to counter spin it. and cant serve hard cause will go undernet. should i progress with the paddle i have now? will it affect my muscle memory and play style long term

[@PickleballPursuit]

I think you would definitely benefit from playing with a more modern paddle. However you may get one and hate the feel of it since it’s so different than the one you’ve been playing with for a while. It may be worth trying to buy one of these $45 thermoformed paddles. Justin actually bought one when they were $29 out of curiosity and sure enough it was thermoformed and a perfectly fine paddle. You can try it out for a few days and if you hate it just return it. If you love it beat it until you break it and move on to some better options. Elongated $45: amzn.to/4h0HFxS Standard shape $35 amzn.to/40jYcrc

[@kjc5117]

More shoe talk and also need to weigh in on the BNB / dope drama next week (fuck dope pickleball)

[@cardinals5516]

Wait... Justin isn't the host?! But he was always on the left. Also, I watched your interview on Building Pickleball and it was very good.

[@christianeprice]

Is there a release date for the Honolulu j2k+ and did you say there is a J2ti+ version too?

[@tylerwhite8930]

So is 11Six24 doing molded handles for the All-Court Series coming out but not the Power series?

[@PickleballPursuit]

Correct

[@roguegaston]

yes to more shoes. what were those NB's?

[@Pickleballetc]

Coco CG2s

[@RTJ-PB]

Last comment, I had too, Louis did u steal that white tee from the big kids section of Baby Gap?

[@PickleballPursuit]

Actually it was at OshKosh B’Gosh

[@RTJ-PB]

⁠😂

[@JasonDeats]

Nerd Town Topic(s): (1) no one discusses importance of paddle speed and that in kinetic energy (1/2mvsquared) calculations, the velocity has an exponential effect, so paddle speed is important (more than plow through). Doubling the paddle velocity means 4 times the KE. In other sports club head speed, bat speed, etc. are important metrics - we should talk paddle speed. (which is affected by weight, balance, AND aerodynamic qualities).

[@johnclikeman5041]

We basically do talk about this, just not explicitly. It's why power and pop are separate metrics. Power is force imparted on the ball when the paddle is swung at maximum speed (which is relative to the specific person swinging the paddle), and pop is force imparted on the ball when swung at a lower speed (which is limited by how much that specific person can accelerate the paddle in a short amount of time, which depends on the person, and the swing weight, and the aerodynamics to the extent that they matter). What speed the paddle actually is moving at might be interesting, but I would think it's useful mostly to compare people, not paddles.

[@JasonDeats]

Sure. Maybe engineers/physicists use different terms and stuff (e.g., moment of inertia instead of "swing weight", KE, power, whatever). Regardless, aero qualities deserve to be discussions. Love swinging the Luxxe through the air but it's a couch cushion at impact. Regarding metrics, might be useful to discuss smash factor, which would be "power" I guess, ball speed divided by paddle speed. But just paddle speed is important. (using the same force to swing). Or measuring drag coefficient. Or just paddle speed by itself during one guy's hits. Further, I think some shapes twist in hand while swinging hard, and could cause problems. I guess people just like to hear the same old metrics. If somebody would do the math a perfect shape could be derived though.

[@mykobaer818]

need more shoe reviews!

[@shelbylangston329]

I think you should be on whatever side you're most comfortable, as far as the podcast goes. On the court that's a different story. Maybe watch diary of a CEO podcast He's always on the right. Watch the Lewis Howes podcast He's on the right. It's pretty subjective. Nice pod cast today. Now off to watch the road to gold..

[@frydog1ea]

Do you think that it would be good for the game if USA-P and UPA-A would work together to form a new organization and get rid of the whole riff between them. The sooner we get to a single cohesive Players and Paddle Ruleset the sooner that the sport can gain a standard play-ability world wide....that is probably one reason that it has not been approved at the Olympic level.

[@fontana820]

How much weight do you have on the throat of the invader?

[@Foxx_Choco]

Do da shoe review!!

[@MattyRut2922]

No more shoes. They’re not available in my size so it just feels like teasing.

[@JonBye]

do you have a code for Neonic?

[@PickleballPursuit]

@@JonBye yes, pursuit10

[@PicklebaldBud]

More shoes!

[@kaisersozen]

Zinc grip method remember the name

[@JasonDeats]

No to "more shoe segments." My vote.

[@stymeron]

Yeah, shoes are important as a contact point, and no one is covering them. I'm so used to Louis being on the right, that it just looks weird. Don't fall for what you're "supposed" to do. Be different!

[@robertnowak13]

Louis: "Objectively a better paddle." Next sentence: "Just my personal opinion." In fairness, you did say earlier that you weren't good with words or numbers, so I'll have to give you a pass.

[@PickleballPursuit]

Semantics, not sure what that means but my wife told me to comment it

[@65atBestPB]

Louis bagged that kid … and it had to be done

[@lukeaucoin7280]

Louis aka, “3rd shot drip drop”

[@JonBye]

no to the shoes

[@steve-94951]

no to shoes

[@Pickleballrating]

My advice.... Just go get yourself a power paddle, and precrice , practice , practice. You will learn control,as well as hit the smaller sweet spot. If you start with a paddle with a huge sweet spot, you will not be able to progress to a paddle that has a smaller sweet spot....why do you think people use trainer paddles???? To get used to smaller sweet spots.

[@65atBestPB]

PBCor … just buy a frickin radar gun. Name a paddle that isn’t too powerful from baseline that is too powerful from backhand flip at kitchen.

[@65atBestPB]

New year … new line … “power paddles are too trash for us”

[@65atBestPB]

Louis … I live in your head but Tabitha is an enabler.

[@Pickleballrating]

THERE IS NO TITANIUM IN THOSE PADDLES. JUST CALL THM TI or POLY.....pet....or water bottle

[@Pickleballetc]

Oh, that's interesting. Where'd you learn that?

[@JasonDeats]

Dude why is the podcast left-handed today? Johnny Carson, Dave Letterman, Jay Leno, Briones PB, KOTC - they are all on the right. I vote stick to the old way. Louis on the right. Plus Justin and you are co-hosts--and host on the left doesn't make sense.

[@daniilmotsenyat]

I actually like the settle change

[@Instalou]

This is @pickleballpursuit passively proclaiming he’s the Ben John’s of their partnership.

[@wmalinak]

Technically (given the way they are facing us, as if on the court) Louis is now on the RIGHT!

[@JasonDeats]

@ also a reason to switch back!! Didn’t he say he wasn’t to play on the left?

[@DanGardner-xx4te]

Too Trash for Power Paddle Nation!

[@robedwards6926]

J2k so over hyped. Now they made a spatula paddle. It's definitely the ugliest paddle.

[@65atBestPB]

I like a mild roast in the morning: Louis went for more channel exposure (no, not that kind of exposure you sick … ), and was interviewed by Brian Lim (Building Pickleball). Our boy did well, hang in there Tabitha you might get nice stuff one day. kzbin.info/www/bejne/api3eIKLhNx6iK8si=-wTmPu0Qk_sXX6Un

[@65atBestPB]

J4KNo

[@65atBestPB]

I’m just going to say it … I think the idea behind a trainer paddle is nonsense. It will do more harm than good if you are using it to improve … no problem if just having fun. If Louis or Justin asks me why, I will explain. 😉