Did ASAP Science Miss the Mark on Veganism? A Plant-Based Insider's View

[@jenmackay1636]

I have several of the books on the science. I don’t argue with anyone else about it. Science supports eating plants. I’m good with that.

[@jackster10101]

@jenmackay1636 um, actually, science supports meat and plants

[@grand-merev.1104]

Do your homework. Not true.

[@vi3472]

I enjoyed this format very much. I also like a good reaction video. I like this guy’s video too. I haven’t heard of him til now, so I subscribed and will watch more. I agree that Drs Greger, Essylstyn and others such as William Li, T. Colin Campbell, Ornish and more have been doing research for decades and the science has been available for the benefits if a WFPB diet. Even the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, in their position paper on the subject, this professional organization of Registered Dietitians and Diet Technicians, Registered (me) states that “well-planned vegetarian and vegan diets are healthful and can meet nutritional needs at all stages of life. The AND also says that these diets can help prevent and treat certain diseases”. Looking forward to more like this. Thanks!

[@pbwithjeremy]

Thank you for your thoughtful comment! I’m so glad you enjoyed the format-it’s always great to know what resonates with viewers. And I’m thrilled you discovered a new channel to follow! I couldn’t agree more about the incredible contributions from experts like Dr. Greger, Dr. Esselstyn, Dr. Campbell, Dr. Li, and others. It’s amazing how much science has been available for so long about the benefits of a WFPB diet, yet it still feels like such a well-kept secret in some circles. I really appreciate you sharing the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics’ position, especially coming from someone in the field! It’s so validating to hear from a professional that these diets are not only healthful but can also play a role in preventing and treating diseases. I’ll definitely consider doing more of these :)

[@dorothyweidner6381]

I listened 3 times and I'm not sure I came away less confused which lifestyle is best. I've been plant exclusive for 3 years because my left carotid artery was 90% blocked. Now I have minimal blockage. Go plant exclusive vegan to save animals, the planet, and your life!!@

[@pbwithjeremy]

Sorry about that. What was confusing?

[@dorothyweidner6381]

@pbwithjeremy Was the guy in the film vegan or something else. He bounced around a lot.

[@pbwithjeremy]

I don't know if he is. I think he just does videos on various topics and approaches it from a scientific POV.

[@princessr143]

Unfortunately this guy had a lot of false information. So I completely understand your confusion.

[@petersister]

Thanks for your personal data. Can anything convince you more than that?

[@judysilverman1787]

Hi Jeremy. It’s Judy from Coconut Creek Florida. Thanks for the shoutout. I love the argument that vegans don’t get enough B12 and iron. I’ve been vegan/plant based for 3 1/2 years and my levels are fine, but my meat eating husband has low iron levels.

[@pbwithjeremy]

You are very welcome. And no shock about your levels! Does that make hubby think about eating some more of your delicious food?

[@sfos4898]

It makes sense that you are a film maker in your other job. Your videos are much higher quality than most you tube videos. Thank you!

[@pbwithjeremy]

Wow, thank you!

[@AnnaT0411]

I agree this was a good video. I think one failing was it didn’t focus enough on the dangers of saturated fat in meat and dairy that doesn’t exist in plant-based foods. And the benefits of fiber in plant-based food on microbiome.

[@CastledarkDweller27]

@@AnnaT0411 💯💯💯

[@cogalog]

Calcium isn't a mineral/ nutrient that is singly responsible for Osteoporosis. Calcium, Vit. D, magnesium, silica, zinc, K2/3 can't remember which, I think theirs another 2 which I can't remember at the moment. Calcium from whole foods are the most absorbable.

[@carymui3143]

My family is slowly transitioning to a plant based diet. A bit hard to do here in the Dairy State of Wisconsin. I saw the video you are reacting too and was dismayed. Thank you for your input on this!

[@pbwithjeremy]

Sorry to hear that! Hope you can make it work!

[@davidthescottishvegan]

Another awesome video Jeremy and yes I went plant based for health but after finding out what is involved with the exploiting of animals I am not plant based for health and the environment but vegan for the animals. I couldn't see me being plant based for health reasons because I think that's being selfish and focusing too much on yourself for the motivation. Love 🥰 the video and love ❤ Jeremy and family.

[@pbwithjeremy]

Yup - very similar over here!

[@jan9562]

When one has health issues, then you see that your health affects lots of things for those around you and your loved ones. Im a recent grandparent and want to be as strong/ balanced/ functional as I can, for others as well as myself.

[@jaypotter7744]

ASAP has been a favorite of mine for years. Greg and Mitch are science teachers based out of Canada and are good at coming at their subjects neutrally and being transparent about the research which is why the conclusion of the video was a little up in the air, besides ending on "yeah, veganism is mostly cool." Their channel is made to be accessible to most so they don't deep dive too much on their main channel videos but their podcast they have more candid conversations and cite more sources, however those are less structured than main channel videos. Glad you enjoyed it. They seem like the type who, if you have a question about their sources, they'd be happy to help figure it out re: funding etc.

[@pbwithjeremy]

Thanks Jay - they're great! We're based in Canada too!

[@mostlyuseless4you]

@@pbwithjeremy Quebec here, glad i found you!!

[@kimlutz6346]

From Pipersville Pa I raised 3 children who are all in their late 30s.vegan and mostly wfpb. My son is 6' 4". My husband (carnivore) is only 6ft. My son played travel ice hockey growing up. Never had a broken bone although many on his team who ate meat broke bones Same with my 2 daughters. They were competitive figure skaters. No broken bones. Rarely ever sick too. I became vegetarian/ vegan at 20. Im now 69 and have been mostly wfpb vegan too.with zero health problems. My husband however has many health problems for years. He's had open heart surgery for double bypass and is on many meds including meds for super high triclycerides. Ive also never had an operation. None of my children either or my 6 grandchildren who are all mostly wfpb vegan. They are ages 1 to 14. All suoer healrhy. I dont need any proof that wfpb vegan is the proven healthy way to eat. I dont know one carnivore who is healthy and that includes friends and extended family on both sides so that us hundreds. Nany have passed way vefore being a senior.

[@pbwithjeremy]

Kim, your story is absolutely inspiring! It’s amazing to hear how you raised your children and grandchildren on a WFPB vegan lifestyle and how that’s translated into such incredible health and resilience-especially with your son playing hockey and your daughters excelling in figure skating without injuries. That’s proof enough of the benefits right there! Your personal journey, being vegan since 20 and now 69 with zero health problems, is such a powerful testament to how impactful this way of eating can be over a lifetime. The contrast with your husband’s health really highlights how much our food choices play a role in our overall well-being. It’s inspiring that despite the challenges, you’ve remained a shining example for your family and others. Thank you for sharing such a beautiful testament to the power of plants-stories like yours are what continue to motivate and inspire so many of us to make better choices. Your family sounds like a wonderful example of health and vitality! 🌱✨ If you're ever interested in sharing your story on a live stream feel free to e-mail me at: [e-mail]!

[@theroncooley5879]

I would NEVER NOT be plant based just for the environmental sustainability.

[@charliebarrin3681]

There is also a genetic element to low iron, both my parents who ate very healthy, lots of whole foods meat/fish/dairy/fruit and veg, were both diagnosed with low iron levels and have had broken bones. Whereas I have been vegetarian since early teens and vegan over the past 3 years and got criticised for for having low iron levels. Some people act very self righteous when they know you have different food preferences to them.

[@ardethellis8930]

Bone density is not solely based on dietary nutrition. Weight bearing exercise Is a huge factor. There were studies done in the 1990s on Japanese women vs US women and osteoporosis. The Japanese women actually consumed less calcium and experienced higher bone density. The two factors that I remember as most pertinent were; the Japanese women walked a lot more and drank few or no carbonated sugary beverages. I'm not a big fan of reaction videos. I would be much more inclined to watch a well-researched review or analysis video. Rock on.

[@SunFellow941]

Almost NOBODY has ever thought that nutritional yeast was an adequate source of B12, unless it's fortified. But you go further and say that there are "ways," plural, and that nutritional yeast is simply the first way that comes to mind. This is the second time I've heard you say this without qualifying that it is only supplementation that makes ANY plant food an adequate source of B12. Ginny Messina, the "Vegan RD," author of many scientific books on vegetarian, vegan, and raw food diets, has a web page called "Vitamin B12: A Vegan Nutrition Primer" where she says that nutritional yeast is only a source of B12 if it is grown on a supplemented medium, which doesn't really make it any different from supplemented vegan hot dogs or supplemented soy milk. A couple years ago there was some buzz about lentein (duckweed) being an adequate source, and there was one piece of research to support that in the short term. But it hasn't supplanted B12 in vegan diets because it's too expensive and, as I just found out, it's hard to buy at all. Here's a blurb about a "currently unavailable" source of lentein called Clean Green Protein with Lentein which touts it as the "Only Plant Sourced B12 Protein Powder." That's a rather vague statement, but I assume they are getting at that the belief that it is the only known source of a plant-based product of naturally occurring B12 in the plant world that is bioavailable to humans. However, I haven't heard any vegan RDs or vegan MDs tout this as an adequate source of B12. Only Mic the Vegan has made this claim, and he has a masters degree in public health.

[@pbwithjeremy]

Thank you for your thoughtful and detailed comment-it’s clear you’ve done your homework on B12, and I really appreciate you sharing this information. You’re absolutely right that nutritional yeast is only a source of B12 if it’s fortified, and I should have been clearer in my statements to emphasize that point. It’s definitely misleading to suggest otherwise, so I’ll make sure to be more precise in the future. I’m familiar with Ginny Messina’s work, and she’s such a reliable voice on vegan nutrition-it’s great that you mentioned her. The comparison to other fortified products like vegan hot dogs or soy milk is spot-on and a good reminder that we need to treat fortified nutritional yeast the same way. Regarding lentein, I’ve heard bits and pieces about its potential as a source of B12, but like you said, it hasn’t become a viable or widely available option yet. I really value feedback like this because it helps me ensure I’m providing accurate and useful information to everyone. Thank you again for taking the time to share your knowledge! If you have other resources or thoughts, I’m all ears.

[@Mialuvsveggies]

but nooch is a processed man-made item, not like, grown from the ground. I think he's saying you can't get B12 naturally, like in nature... if you lived off the land

[@sarahpauline4904]

You can though. From the same place animals do, from bacteria in the soil.

[@pbwithjeremy]

You're absolutely right that nutritional yeast (nooch) doesn't just grow in the wild and requires processing. It’s cultivated, deactivated, and sometimes fortified with B12, making it a product of human intervention rather than something you’d find naturally in the environment. As for B12, you're spot on again-it’s not something you’d get "naturally" in nature anymore unless you were drinking untreated water or eating soil-contaminated foods. B12 is produced by bacteria, not plants or animals, which is why even animals in factory farming are often given B12 supplements. So, in today’s world, whether you’re vegan or not, getting B12 usually comes down to supplementation or fortified foods, like nooch or plant-based milks. If you were living entirely off the land, you'd have to rely on those natural bacterial sources-though, let’s be honest, that might come with some other challenges!

[@tammyharris8264]

Watching from Graham, NC. Just finished The Game Changers. It was awesome. Thank you for sharing. 😊

[@pbwithjeremy]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@RonsonDalby]

Not all brands of nutritional yeast have B12. In the brands that do have it, it’s added during the manufacturing process. In over 25 years of ethical veganism, I’ve never been deficient in B12 and I get tested every 3 months as part of a general range of blood tests.

[@michael43216]

It´s usually 1 yearly check up for healthy adults. Why do you need blood tests every 3 months? Is it a work thing, or are you dealing with any health issue?

[@RonsonDalby]

@@michael43216 Health issues requiring them and they're covered by Australia's universal healthcare scheme so no cost to me.

[@vi3472]

Hi Jeremy, i just rewatched this video. The topic of calcium absorption is important to me bc I have osteopenia. The point that countries with less dairy intake have less osteoporosis is interesting. I heard a long time ago that it has to do with dietary protein and acidity but maybe you could consider doing a deeper dive into that topic in the future? Thanks!

[@plants4Ever17]

I would NOT vote for more 'reaction' videos. I prefer a response video. A reaction piece often catches a person off guard and can easily get defensive..... comparing ourselves to others is recipe for unhappiness. The word 'vegan' can become political almost instantaneously. The term Whole food plant based helps us stay composed. I appreciate the shout outs to the researchers- the rest of us can often come up short on the facts when our amphibian brain begin reacting to attacks from the haters. Enough already. Thank you, J. for giving this format a go, I vote no more.

[@meganmanson6488]

As an analytical person, I appreciate the distinction between reaction and response. I am lukewarm to this type of content. I very much enjoy the practical day-to-day application of whole food plant based eating more than the technical or response video. But different videos appeal to different folks so just please keep a good mix.

[@Beck-u7g]

I enjoy all your posts, but this one is especially good, so Thanks! Watching from New Mexico.

[@timothys9288]

The Vitamin B12 and vegans having a common deficiency of it isn't true. Recent studies involving blood tests found vegans had just as good a B12 level as omnivores. The likely reason is that modern vegans already know to get B12 fortified foods or supplement. Also, I have been vegan 9 years. I only eat plants and B12 fortified foods and rarely ever use my B12 supplement dropper bottle. I also eat a wide enough variety of foods that I'm not deficient in iron, zinc, K2, iodine, etc. I take no multi-vitamin. I don't need to. I researched my nutriton in my meals and I'm good to go. Also, I get plenty of omega-3 from seeds. There's no RDA for omega-3 and there's inconclusive studies on omega-3 and how much is even needed. If you're paranoid about omega-3 intake, just eat a small handful of walnuts or a tablespoon of flax or chia or hemp seeds daily.

[@maryannwabalas510]

I loved this video! I had never heard of the channel and I am now going to subscribe to it. In a previous video you had mentioned tasty timely Thrifty and I am now loving their channel.

[@pbwithjeremy]

Isn’t she great?

[@sharonhamby1747]

Hello from our family (including Murderfloof the cat) here in eastern Tennessee!

[@pbwithjeremy]

Hi Sharon!

[@MsSmalone]

I think you want to say it hasn't been marketed until recently.

[@marieg9934]

Hi there 😊 I’m from Melbourne, Australia and I’ve been watching a few of your videos today. I have a question on the topic of this particular video if I may? I realise that we can take a B12 supplement nowadays, but if humans ate only plants 2 million years ago, where did they get their B12 from if not from eating animals? Ideally, shouldn’t the human diet contain all the foods that contain vitamins & minerals that our body needs to thrive and be healthy? If indeed we need B12 and there was no such thing as supplements, how would we get it?

[@pbwithjeremy]

We would get it from the earth on the plants we ate - the same way animals got it. B12 doesn’t come naturally from animals. They have it because they eat things with it. And in many cultures the majority of their food was plants 2 million years ago. They did not eat meat every day as it had to be hunted and there was no way to store it. Modern farming has sanitized out food production making it necessary to supplement. More omnivores are B12 deficient than people who are plant-based.

[@PinkBeetle4648]

Nutritional yeast CAN be FORTIFIED with B12 or not.

[@pbwithjeremy]

I don't know if I've come across any brands that aren't these days. Have you?

[@PinkBeetle4648]

Yeah, I’ve come across them more so online (eg. Amazon Australia, Iherb Australia) eg. LOOV Organic Non-Fortified Nutritional Yeast Flakes. So if someone is relying on nutritional yeast as there form of B12 supplementation it is important to make sure that it is a fortified version (and that they consume a sufficient amount). Stay healthy everyone 🙂

[@lisamontaghami9196]

I came here before I finished the video to tell you that my nutritional yeast does not have B12. I use a very high-quality one. I like the taste better when it’s not fortified.

[@pbwithjeremy]

Understood! Thanks for telling us. Then go for the capsel :)

[@lisamontaghami9196]

I take a dropper full every morning! 😊

[@tracyhuckaby5876]

I have been vegan/WFPB for 10 years and have never had an issue with B12. My husband, however, who is a carnivore, is B12 deficient and gives himself B12 shots once a month. He is also vitamin D and iron deficient and takes supplements for both. So eating meat is not necessarily the answer. The Game Changers Documentary (2018) is a good one to watch. More information would always be helpful.

[@pbwithjeremy]

Thanks for sharing all of this with us!

[@tracypeel6424]

@tracyhuckaby5876 the book 'this is vegan propaganda' is good

[@marigoldenergy8512]

I enjoyed this video. You have given me a few more answers to others when they question my choices of food.

[@pbwithjeremy]

I'm so glad!

[@sjones902]

Forks Over Knives documentary addresses the issue of cow's milk and calcium absorption, as well as touches on osteoporosis.

[@pbwithjeremy]

That's a great documentary.

[@virginiatibbetts1551]

Dr. Greger talks about that study comparing the bones of vegans and non-vegans. I'll post it here when I find it.

[@pbwithjeremy]

Thx!

[@cherylrussell9074]

Love this format and your cooking videos

[@pbwithjeremy]

Yay! Thank you!

[@myhorse52]

Check out Mic the Vegan. I believe he covered both the studies on hip fractures and strokes.

[@suemichaelsen8486]

Well done, Jeremy. Thank you

[@pbwithjeremy]

Thanks for listening

[@antheaphillips5679]

I think another commenter alluded to this, but I’d always heard that nutritional yeast is an unreliable source of vitamin B12. I prefer to take a B12 supplement and use unfortified nutritional yeast - it tastes sooo much better! (Btw, Well Your World now ships to Canada! #notasponsor) Thanks for another great video!

[@mirage.bryston]

Hello from Timmins, Ontario, Canada. I call it the great white north. I love your chanel.

[@pbwithjeremy]

It truly is :)

[@blackrosenuk]

I like the honest reaction. If you wanted to add in some research, I think it'd be good to pause the video and then do a voice over with "future J"

[@aubreyvandyne5284]

I still ride around on horses. I have Amish neighbors that ride around on horses

[@nicolebouchez5307]

I quite liked the format but doing homework ahead makes a lot of sense and would be more interesting, especially if you disagree with the video

[@suemichaelsen8486]

In the 90s John McDougall MD told about the Dairy Debate that included a dairy study that proved human bodies use their bone calcium to process the protien in milk, therefore prooving dairy creates calcium defiency and weakens bones.

[@talyah23]

Dr Greger has a video on the why vegans may have a higher bone breakage rate and the study that was done and it seems vegans are more likely to be on the slimmer side and so have lesson "cushioning" and that a heavier person over time has strengthened their bones due to the excess weight on them (like a runner carrying a backpack of rocks)

[@robinsaxophone232]

Could also be vegans are more likely to do physical activities like running and hiking that can cause them to be more likely to have a fall.

[@petersister]

I liked this video, but I think I would prefer it if you listened to the video you're responding to first, and then let your rebuttal or responses be according to research that you could share with us. For example, what's with the data about milk providing more more calcium and milk drinkers having considerably less bone fractures. Comments from others on this channel indicate that the data says that we don't readily absorb the calcium in the milk. I have vague recollections that both the calcium and the vitamin D in (fortified, store-bought) milk is ADDED; Vit D is not there naturally, and calcium is enhanced. On the other hand, dark leafy greens, tofu, chick peas, and soy beans are all rich natural sources of calcium. Also, did you see the rebuttal to the same video?: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWqniZKim8Rnjc0si=QfWqvv5R6f-3yS0R Thank-you for bringing this video to our attention. Since the thumbnail makes me expect it to be a meat-promoting video, I would not have otherwise watched it. I believe that subscribers to your channel trust your HONESTY and INTEGRITY, so even though you're not a doctor or a master on nutrition, I think it's fair to say that we would trust that your informed rebuttal would be trustworthy. Therefore, personally, I would prefer a better prepared response. I think that you have a gift for condensing volumes of information into succinct conclusions. This could be helpful and informative to us, and inspire us to research further for our own interest.

[@aubreyvandyne5284]

B12 is in duckweed

[@LisaCz9r]

Hey Jeremy, B12 is made from bacteria and ancient humans got this, not only by eating meat, but from eating unwashed plants and drinking unsanitised water. This would obviously not be a good idea to do in today's toxic world! However, it does indicate that in the past animal products were not required to obtain B12 and that animals accumulate B12 from consuming unsanitised plants and water, and then we eat them. Also healthy guts contain bacteria that can synthesise B12 internally. I wish I could offer references for this information but unfortunately I can't remember where I read this, so I would recommend digging through the scientific literature to confirm before quoting me! The jist of it though is we only need the supplements because of the toxic environment we have created and natural bacteria. I personally think that a supplement is a small price to pay for not dying a painful death via dysentery or cholera. People - plz do not go drinking unsanitised water! It contains a multitude of other life threatening bacteria that could potentially kill or invalid you, hence the reason why we now sanitise water! In this case - natural is not the best!

[@pbwithjeremy]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts! You're absolutely right-B12 is indeed produced by bacteria, and historically, humans likely got it from sources like unwashed plants and untreated water, as well as from consuming animals who had already accumulated it through their diet. It's fascinating to think how our modern sanitized world has essentially removed natural sources of B12 from our diets, which is why supplementation is now necessary for so many, regardless of diet. You also hit the nail on the head about the dangers of untreated water-it’s not worth the risk in today's world, given the potential for serious illnesses. A B12 supplement is a small, easy trade-off for staying healthy in a much safer (albeit more sanitized) environment. And no worries about the references-it’s still a great point to explore! Your explanation really underscores that the need for B12 supplements isn’t about veganism but rather about modern living and the choices we’ve made to create a safer (but less "natural") world. Couldn't agree more that "natural" isn’t always best-especially when it comes to avoiding cholera!

[@sandraseager71]

I enjoyed this

[@smsunsparkle1984]

Regarding bone strength - Vegans tend to be lighter, and weight-bearing keeps bones strong, so kinda makes sense...

[@pbwithjeremy]

I'm not sure what you mean.

[@smsunsparkle1984]

@@pbwithjeremy It was said that vegans have more bone issues - but if they are lighter (which they tend to be) then they would have less bone density - unless they do weight-bearing exercises to compensate. It's not about the calcium, but a 200 pound person puts more pressure on their bones challenging them to grow than a 100 pound person does - just by walking across the room. Hope that makes sense.

[@karinheiss2145]

Cow’s milk is for calves - NOT humans!!

[@charBSI]

Never heard of asap science. I’ll ck them out.

[@Lynda_with_a_Why]

Please NO more reaction videos. Would rather see you investing time in more cookbook reviews.

[@pbwithjeremy]

Those will still come twice a month - but seeing what stuff people enjoy for our other slots.

[@christinetripp-g8p]

That was so informative, thank you! (no one should hear me talking back to the carnivore diet “drs” video’s here on KZbin 🤬😂) Like you, Dr Greger say, we have to take B12 and be aware the amount need goes up with aging. While nutritional yeast doesn’t contain B12, most brands are fortified with it, as is store bought non-dairy milks (but not in the UK I’ve heard) Because B12 is a bacteria, certain mushrooms, depending on what they grow in and Nori have naturally occurring B12. But I doubt we could eat enough of these to get our requirements. Chickens and pigs, the way they are raised now away from grazing (poop and dirt ;) don’t get B12 anymore so they have to be supplemented with it. The more I’ve learned about where this vitamin comes from, the happier I am to just get it from a clean tablet every day. I think it was Dr Greger who said we all have B12 in our intestinal track but there are easier ways to consume it then the way cows do 🤣 I find nutritional info facinating!

[@davidthescottishvegan]

@@christinetripp-g8p Depending on the brand/store some plant based vegan milk is fortified for example Asda Just Essentials soya milk and Aldi soya milk isn't fortified but Lidl and most other brands of soya milk are fortified. The same can vary with other plant based milks. Usually unsweetened products are not fortified but there are exceptions because the Lidl product mentioned earlier is unsweetened and still fortified.

[@christinetripp-g8p]

@@davidthescottishvegan thank you for that info David. I wasn't sure but thought it could be a Gov ruling in the UK. But sounds like it's a choice the producers can make, to fortify or not, yes?

[@mindadio]

Your format is cool, but the goofball you're reviewing isn't worth the time and effort. I left after his silly inaccuracies on B12 ...

[@jackster10101]

Oh god, not a vegan

[@DespondentDragon]

Good video, I like this format and it was a good video for you to watch and react to.

[@refusalspam]

It seems illogical to try to explain the benefits of a exclusionary diet by the benefits of the food that’s allowed. For instance saying that fruits and vegetables are good, veganism does not exclude fruits and vegetables, therefore veganism is good is not a logical conclusion. Any diet that allows fruits and vegetables could be just as good. One would have to show that the exclusion of animal products itself is beneficial. Ironically many ppl taut the exclusionary benefits of a carnivore diet in eliminating foods that give them inflammation.

[@pbwithjeremy]

That’s a fair point-just saying "veganism includes fruits and vegetables, therefore it’s good" isn’t a strong argument. But the case for a plant-based diet goes beyond just what it includes; it's also about what it *excludes*. The exclusion of animal products is linked to lower risks of heart disease, type 2 diabetes, and certain cancers, among other health benefits. It’s not just about adding good things but also removing things that have been shown to contribute to chronic disease. On the flip side, some people do report benefits from exclusionary diets like carnivore, often due to the elimination of processed foods, dairy, or other potential triggers-but long-term research on that approach is pretty scarce, and it raises concerns about nutrient deficiencies and gut health. Ultimately, it’s about looking at the full picture: what a diet provides *and* what it removes, along with long-term sustainability. But I appreciate your thoughtful perspective-it’s always worth questioning the logic behind diet claims!

[@SusanKessler-c8n]

I liked this type of video. Good job!!

[@mykidswillberich]

I've never heard of ASAP Science but looked over his videos and am very interested in his channel so I subscribed. I listened to his video on veganism and I will be interested in what you have to say because i don't think he missed the mark on anything. It was a good video and pretty much positive toward veganism.