PC Gaming is Slowly Destroying Itself

[@Laur352]

this is a dangerous loopcycle, where PC hardware is improving very slowly and by very little while games are becoming more and more demanding because optimization has been replaced with AI voodoo

[@Azurantine81]

I still remember calling this out with the first gen of frame gen and people telling me I was just jealous because I use AMD. Vindication is a wonderful thing. We will never see a 1080 ti value card again.

[@Polotoed]

and TAA blurryness in motion everywhere

[@zacdupriest958]

Did you know tmc 5 nm and 3nm chips only cost 5 percent more, so what does the gpu go up 40 percent

[@danialredcliff8867]

Exactly

[@enricofermi3471]

Depends on wether you consider it obligatory to have RT/PT enabled to enjoy a game. If not, AMD has great value, and with RT OFF you don't really need upscaling (unless you aim for above-60-frames 4K).

[@UltraVegito-1995]

PC Gaming is in a constant cycle of Creation and Destruction every time

[@homelessEh]

enough os and games have been created that now not just Creation and Destruction there is indeed a swelling of Revival because every body know all best games have already been made ..

[@homelessEh]

it will be come more trendy in streamers over time to go back and be the only person streaming X old archaic made before the streamer was bornware.

[@trackingdifbeatsaber8203]

gaming has a whole consoles have the same problem but the ps5 is limited to below rx 6700 + ryzen 7 3700x perfomance

[@Carlton_Banks]

Optimization has been replaced with AI shenanigans, fake frames and upscaling.

[@ARCx9]

I don't mind up-scaling. Probably the best tech in the last decade that went mainstream. I would love to see more of it in everyday applications; like on the fly, app agnostic, low res (for example 1080 to 4k) video up-scaling. *I do* mind when the tech is used as a crutch for atrocious optimization.

[@brandonleemoss]

I love my fake frames I don't know what you're talking about😂

[@dqskatt]

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[@Lionheart1188]

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[@nathanael9159]

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[@vapecat1982]

Been saying DLSS was very dangerous because it would push dev optimizations aside, here we are

[@morgueblack]

Good call. Thank you, Nvidia.

[@arenzricodexd4409]

DLSS is no different than raster. Raster being created because ray tracing is too demanding to be run on real time.

[@B.D.E.]

And DLSS just straight up looks bad.

[@B.D.E.]

​@@arenzricodexd4409It's completely different. It looks like shit.

[@HunterTracks]

​@@arenzricodexd4409??? The usage of ray tracing in games wasn't yet a twinkle in Jensen's eyes when most raster techniques were invented. That's like saying that we invented biplanes because jet fuel was too expensive to produce.

[@Wkaelx]

Optimization has died, this is when you remember GTA V runs on a PS3...

[@Cruxis_Angel]

It’s crazy to think what developers were able to pull off on PS3 with foreign architecture. Uncharted, gow3, tlou, kill zone, etc You just don’t see that nowadays.

[@joee7452]

How about WOW looking good and running fine on integrated graphics 15+ years ago. I don't mean the stile, just that it ran fine, looked good and was fluid on the bare minimum hardware.

[@hercufles]

ps 3 was a powerful system that why it was expensive

[@AdventVFX]

@@hercufles yes it was powerful but it was also incredibly difficult to develop which made GTA V running on it as well as it did even more impressive.

[@Nimbus1612]

@@joee7452wow/ all MmO rpgs are CPU intensive games. You can have a 4090 and still be at 30 fps in dornogal/ valdrakken/stormwind/or grimmer at lowest graphics setting on 1080p

[@pentacosttb2565]

A big problem is that game developers are firstly less competent overall, but also that they’re seemingly making games with the assumption that hardware improvements and costs are still improving at the pace they used to. They’re throwing insane amounts of detail and effects at games to produce eye candy, and assuming everyone is on a 4K screen, while the actual hardware people have is barely better than a decade ago when 1080p was the norm. They’re also seemingly no longer aiming for consoles as the base specs that a game should be running on, then adding bells and whistles to the PC release. Games are made for top end PC’s that should have existed if moores law was still in effect. Meanwhile on the low end, gaming has never been better. Because we’re so deep into diminishing returns, low spec machines like the Switch and Steam Deck that either use PC low settings or that need to be specifically and appropriately ported to are punching well above their weight.

[@DJgeekman]

1080p is still the norm, at least where I live more than 70% of screens are still FullHD. Only 22% Are QHD and out of TV section less than 8% are 4K screens...

[@totalermist]

I take issue with the console-argument. You can't have your cake and eat it too - on one side, people were complaining when games didn't look different from the console releases despite better hardware capabilities. On the other side people are complaining now when devs put all the bells and whistles that PC-master race idiots have been asking for. Which is it? What is it players actually want? Not enough eye candy - players complain. Too much eye candy - players complain even more. There's simply no winning here.

[@AwankO]

​@@totalermist Developers missed the middle ground just like your reply. Many just want it to look "good enough" without making their PC convulse.

[@HunterTracks]

Game developers are not any less competent, they're just less incentivized. It's true for all software development, really -- optimization is a long, difficult and costly process that typically doesn't earn the company any extra money (unless you're optimizing the internal company infrastructure), so it's the thing the companies will wanna spend the least time and money on. The upper limit to how poorly optimized a game can be is and will always be the hardware.

[@nathanael9159]

Indeed.

[@Pravculear]

you know somethings wrong when the recommended settings has frame generation as a requirement for 60FPS.

[@nickochioneantony9288]

it will definitely hurt their sales... majority of people still use mid range hardware anyway. It really does make games like Jedi Survivor, Dragon Dogma 2, etc to underperform, and people doesn't mind to skip them. Indies are taking the spotlight because the game is accessable by anyone. Hades 2 happens because everyone can play the first game, even on Intel HD Graphics

[@fuckyoutubrforchangingthis]

Itll fuck up sales, I've played every mh game to exist and I'm concerned...lol..I have a 7900xtx and 7800x3d and idk if I'll be able to lock a 60 native in 1440p ultra. I bet I can't.

[@ascendantMethEnjoyer]

I'm still playing old battlefield and indie games. I'm maxing out my monitor 175hz at all times

[@elid2532]

I don't think I'll be able to run the game in general. I'm probably going to have to buy it in console which sucks. ​@@fuckyoutubrforchangingthis

[@ickerolig]

Those recommended specs for Wilds aren't mid range anymore. They were midrange when they were released 6 years ago or whatever. My PC is mid-range. I bought it almost a year ago for ~$2k and it is above the recommended specs. And for those worried, if you look at the latest showcases the game clearly runs around 60 fps on a playstation 5. Btw, DD2's latest patch basically fixed the game. I play it around 120 fps with a 7800xt and 7700 ryzen.

[@Arejen03]

Can't wait for the rtx 5050 8gb with performance of 3060ti

[@jahithber1430]

with 50-50 performance sometimes it can, sometimes it can't.

[@christophermullins7163]

​@@jahithber1430😂😂 your joke landed with me bud. Thanks

[@MrVidification]

my 5050 uses 1500 W when idle 😔

[@RealMilkMan255]

Starting at 300 dollars

[@AMDRyzen57500F]

The rtx 5050 has a very amazing feature where it has a 50% chance of turning on, I think its a cool feature because it will increase the lifespan of the graphics card in a long run!

[@churchofsatan2041]

It's not the hardware is the game developers they're not optimizing games like they used to.

[@YJPLAPI]

Guilty as charged, oops.

[@ladrok97]

Yeah, but Ngreedia isn't helping game developers too. Game developers want to use Vram to get "better and easier" "optimalisation", but Nvidia is selling expensive cards with not enough Vram, like just look on 5080 leak, 16gb for such big price?

[@fall1n1_yt]

@@ladrok97 no price was mentioned on the leaks.

[@ladrok97]

@@fall1n1_yt True, but I guess we can assume it will be 1200 yet again. But if Nvidia will be graceful and sell it for 1000, then still it's way too high price if 5090 will really have 32 gb

[@nathanael9159]

Indeed.

[@mihaitoma4144]

it's not the games progressing faster than the hardware, it's the gaming industry regressing with bad management experienced devs quit to make their own studios and unexperienced devs are expected to meet the same same deadlines, optimization is an afterthought beside optimization they are expected to also implement shops, which has to be the first one to work flawlessly

[@samuelllakaj5439]

Yup. Microtransactions over optimisation.

[@Twangaming]

Throw in the rapid financialization of the gaming industry over the past 15 years and you’ve pretty much perfectly described the current environment

[@jmass4207]

People act like developers going rancid means all the human capital went to the gallows. Not how it works. The nice thing about legit devs leaving is more talent going to more creatively free, underdog institutions, perhaps with a chip on their shoulder about the big corpo management practices. So more great games (even if they’re not so glittery) that won’t be AAA prices.

[@FlamespeedyAMV]

DEI and woke

[@albert2006xp]

What single player game not made by Ubisoft has shops? I'll wait.

[@SIedgeHammer83]

Fanboys will always defend the insane high pricing.

[@imop285]

They are rich shits. They don't know the pain of playing games at 30fps

[@morgueblack]

"Nvidia Fanboys will always defend the insane high pricing." There. Fixed it for you.

[@yasu_red]

​@@morgueblackRadeon is also guilty of it but to a lesser degree, the main issue there is stupid launch prices that are quickly discounted.

[@slim420MM]

@@morgueblack "Nvidiots will always be Nvidiots"

[@arenzricodexd4409]

More like gamer is delusional thinking material and labour will be cheap forever.

[@boris---]

5:00 "games are progressing way faster" ??? WHAT They literally regressing... Terrible developers programming on nasa pc, dont even play own games and using just every library under the sun to not code something on own with 0 optimization to save money on development...

[@Goldomnivore]

I mean that's only a portion of games and they are greedy AAA games but indie and other game studios are coming out with very good games like black black myth wukong, space Marine 2, hell divers, Hades 2, Manor Lords and so on. 😮‍💨

[@boris---]

@@Goldomnivore Sorry man.. I have VERY different meaning of indie game :D

[@Shahzad12357]

He meant in terms of being intensive

[@Goldomnivore]

@boris Hades and Manor lords are indie

[@boris---]

@@Goldomnivore Where I said they are not...

[@FTWBeginner]

The optimization in video games has decreased even faster than technology increased for performance.

[@albert2006xp]

No it hasn't. Only clueless people on social media think so. Games are hitting their performance targets. You just can't accept what the performance targets are. For the large majority of people with GPUs ending in 60 and 1080p monitors that's 60 fps 720p render resolution.

[@qswaefrdthzg]

The "5nm" and "3nm" sizes are marketing nonsense anyways. The actual transistors have size of more than 20nm. Over the past 20 years they have become essentially 3D instead of just 2D allowing chip manufacturers to improve the density per area. So you will definitely see sub "1nm" cause these are just marketing terms.

[@christophermullins7163]

That is true. It is just a metric of comparison but not of reality. Intel 7 or "10nm" lol come on. Just call it 10a already and stop pretending lol

[@myne00]

Yep. Which is why Intel's 14nm was keeping up for so long.

[@gerardotejada2531]

Nanometers is not a marketing word

[@christophermullins7163]

@@gerardotejada2531 You say that as if the op claimed the opposite.. perhaps it's not obvious enough to you that it's a measurement so you assume he may have thought otherwise.

[@smallpeople172]

@@qswaefrdthzg the 3nm size has transistors that are around 5 nanometers in scale, so it is nowhere near as far off base as you claim

[@PinoyZo1]

Games already look good enough, I would rather have games run nicely and well over 90fps than have games run at 60fps as standard. Game developers spend way too much money developing better graphically but the gameplay is TOTAL 🗑️

[@Cocomacsonian]

this is facts

[@adamduffield7782]

Yeah but alot of games, especially on console arent even hitting 60fps, usually run at 30fps, luckily for us pc gamers, we have more settings to play with to get that frame rate up

[@Ven0mSRT]

Here's what I thought. We have so many great games. I have unfinished Witcher 3, Kingdom Come Deliverance, Horizon Zero Dawn. I want to replay Skyrim with mods. I've never played Cyberpunk. I have a 4070 laptop, and I don't think I'll need an upgrade for a couple of years.

[@Bargate]

The GPU market is now mostly the AI market with gamers as a afterthought so games also making hardware matter less would make sense. I mean what else can they even do with graphics that actually matters at this point that people would actually notice and appreciate. I wouldn't mind if one day in like 10 years integrated graphics systems are the standard with the big boi GPU s are only used for workstations. We can't go much smaller than 3nm with 1nm being the max smallest.

[@HunterTracks]

​@@Ven0mSRTSkyrim with mods is such a mood. Recently reinstalled it for the first time since 2018 and tried surfing Nexus for a bit, and I haven't been this eager to jump into a game since I finished BG3.

[@tomthomas3499]

Gpu makers will always find a way to force consumers to upgrade, it's directx back then, then it shifted to RT, and now AI.

[@AMDRyzen57500F]

Directx was acceptable, but rt and dlss and all that AI shit is unacceptable The game devs use ai upscaling as an excuse to spend less time on optimizing the game While directx brought better graphics and better efficiency which is good

[@Shahzad12357]

​@@AMDRyzen57500F that's not upscaling issue though? It's Dev's issue

[@granityseis104]

you got it.

[@WeatherMan2005]

rt and ai will not make me upgrade. they are useless

[@iikon01]

The prices really pretty sad 😔 Pandemic already ended 2 years ago And the prices still high

[@arenzricodexd4409]

Because 5nm is more than twice more expensive than 7nm (which is the bleeding edge node during the pandemic).

[@nostrum6410]

That's how inflation works

[@kaimojepaslt]

because wars.

[@ceeespee2204]

Certainly not because of the people that throw money at them and beg for something more expensive... that has nothing to do with it.

[@samuelllakaj5439]

Ukraine's war has taken a toll on gas prices and what not. That unfortunately affects every aspect of the economy. At least where I live.

[@bauer9101]

My 11400F and RX 6600 is running everything fine for me. Then again I grew up in the 1990s so everything modern looks good to me.

[@AMDRyzen57500F]

That is the most "just enough" setup, I love it!

[@bauer9101]

@@AMDRyzen57500F 99% of the games I play are pre Cyberpunk so I just told myself anything more would be a waste.

[@anderotaola7515]

Similar situation- if it can run total war, space marine 2, elden ring , and armored core 6: its all i meed for years to come. Ive only played space marine 2 from those… it got me back into gaming.

[@bauer9101]

@@anderotaola7515 Space Marine 2 is the first game in a long time tempting me to pay full price. Holding out for a sale.

[@arenzricodexd4409]

​@@AMDRyzen57500Fit is not "just enough". Gamer in reality did not need anything faster than RX6600.

[@AthamAldecua]

Dude, it's like this is Moore's law but in reverse! Our hardware is improving at half the pace it used to, but its cost is twice as high as it used to! Exponential... decay... Nah, "Moore's law is dead" cus it is more profitable for you to make us believe so.

[@ARCx9]

Nope. It was talked about for a long time. Physics is a b*tch. Diminishing returns. So, it's on point that it's going "in reverse". We are at a point in time when you can buy a dirt cheep CPU and it will be fine for 90% of people. You win some, you lose some.

[@fall1n1_yt]

@@ARCx9 for most people you also don't need a GPU that costs more than 300€. Most used resolutions on Steam are 1366x768 and 1920x1080.

[@AMDRyzen57500F]

I would say that something like a RX 6600 is just enough for 1080p Who cares about 4k? I don't even notice a difference when I use a 4k monitor unless if I squint my eyes really hard.

[@fall1n1_yt]

@@AMDRyzen57500F Oi now, calm down. You gonna upset the

[@ElcoolMo]

​@@ARCx9 the thing is that we aren't at that point yet. So Moore's law is still alive so prices shouldn't be what they r right now

[@SirThanksalott]

Good news is there is a massive library of old games. And, there is nothing stopping developers from using older engines and graphics software, that looked almost just as good. Its about quality of the game, not just graphics.

[@AlexHusTech]

*50 series going to be crazy expensive!*

[@RealityCheck6969]

Because we are competing with corporations who wants AI chips. So if you want your gpu or cpu you have to pay up.

[@AlexHusTech]

@@RealityCheck6969 Yep very true, more profitable for them to sell as AI chips to corps.

[@AMDRyzen57500F]

But if they sell more reasonably priced normal chips to people who can actually afford them, wouldn't they get more than just selling stupidly overpriced AI chips to corps?

[@MrTuxy]

@@AMDRyzen57500F Because of the demand from AI company's supply will continue to be lower than demand. In any market when demand is high and supply is low prices will be high.

[@AlexHusTech]

@@AMDRyzen57500F They pricing is very different, the margins are hugely greater for corps, even if they sell vasts amounts to consumers it may not make a difference, I may be wrong.

[@thebodachshow]

an element you left out and the actual problem right now is the modern AAA game dev... they don't code anymore or have deeper understanding of computer science. Modern game devs use SDKs like Unreal, Unity etc that let them build AAA games without having to code 95% of it. The end result sold to the end-user is a bloated one-size-fits-all codebase of which the actual game doesn't fully need, and that requires hardware to work a lot harder to achieve the same results it would get if optimised properly. Optimising games is something that requires the deeper computer science and coding knowledge a typical modern game dev doesn't possess. When "built right" and optimised even moderately, there is no reason a mid-rage gpu can't put out max settings for a brand new AAA game at high frames.

[@boredjedi2332]

Yes that too. Unoptimized code is one of the biggest problems and bugs everywhere.

[@5-OTT.s-ON-A-KICK]

rust devs be like

[@nickochioneantony9288]

Gaming Industry has shifted the budget to use Hollywood stars instead of Game Developers. I think it is clear to see. To think that I cheered for Keanu Reeves which resulting in a mess of a game that is Jedi Survivor because they busy paying Matthew Monaghan instead of Respawn team.

[@TheRogueMaverick]

As a student in college for game development, I very much appreciate working with Unity. Yes, there's less coding for stuff like collision or handling movement, but only coding 5%? Nah. If you aren't using assets for menus or movement, you still need to code a lot of that yourself. It just makes it easier to connect everything and handle it. It's like a house. Unity or Unreal put up the foundation, walls and a roof. But YOU need to add in the walls, furniture, plumbing, doors, etc. And it DOES lower the barrier to game development. So many fantastic indie games use Unity or Unreal and run flawlessly. Stuff like Cuphead, The Messenger, Sea of Stars and Ori and the Blind Forest run on Unity for example. All of these games run on my old tower that has a GTX 970 and on Switch with little to no issues. That being said, optimization is sadly not as widespread as it used to be, for sure. But engines like Unity or Unreal are not the problem. It's how they are used. And hardware is seldom ever to blame; it's the lack of time, care or experience of the developers.

[@matrix8847]

5% of coding? Where do you people come up with these headcannons??? It took me two months to make my first indie horror game in unity and the coding part was literally 90% stop pretending to be a game dev

[@NajCharfeddine]

I remember the whole PC can run on 550 watt PSU, now 550 watt for the GPU only🤣

[@unholysaint1987]

550... my stepson plays fortnite on an optiplex sff with a 1030... hes got a 180w psu

[@WeatherMan2005]

@@unholysaint1987 pretty sure he means modern high end cards and not old low end cards

[@foy59]

Play old games, upgrade less. In time hopefully devs will learn that if they don't optimize, then they're selling a niche product

[@UltraVarietyChannel]

Honestly. I've got a huge backlog from 2014 to 2024. And I'm sure I'll have plenty more to add. There are so many games to play. Diversify your taste in genres and you will have dozens of thousands of hours of content to enjoy.

[@gerardotejada2531]

New is better, the games of this year are better than the year before and the games to be launched are better than the ones already out. Why do you think people see the Game Awards? For the trailers. Thats how the industry works. A game is good till is out, GTA6 is the best game ever till is launched and then GTA7 is the best game ever.

[@HybOj]

its either older games, or let the released games mature for a year. They usually run 2x better after 10 patches. Let alone if they remove DENUVO after that year. I have many games on my HDD, maturing :)

[@parioceanchicago]

Easy to say, I have a 1060, my PC is 7 years old and next year is my 50th birthday so I wanted a new PC for the next 7 or 8 years but the price is crazy and between Intel screwing 13th and 14th generation and AMD screwing with the 9000, even if I had the money I would't buy any of it.

[@thewhyzer]

I'm still on my i7-920 w/1050 ti and 8GB RAM (used to be 12GB until recently when one of the DIMMs or slots died or something.) Will probably get a $2-2.5k prebuilt maybe around next September, right before MS drops support for Win 10.

[@why-m3g]

I never thought I would say this but.... INTEL, DO SOMETHING!

[@ldope3904]

Give it 2 years, their graphics cards will be better than AMDs

[@bumperxx1]

@why-m3g what are they going to do? Intel's APUs have been garbage for years, not to mention when their graphics cards came out, they didn't even have working drivers for video games. Games weren't working with their graphics cards, do you remember? Nvidia is competing with itself and there's no stopping it for right now the only reason AMD was able to claw its way back in the CPU Market is because Intel got complacent

[@ldope3904]

@@bumperxx1 Driver support takes time. Intel GPU hardware is already better than AMD. Just give it time, they fumbled bad with CPUs and currently scrambling

[@Gnidel]

They did... Fired 15% of people...

[@VintageCR]

@@ldope3904 so within 2 years they will be on par with team green?

[@1vaultdweller]

Gaming has gotten too big too fast . It has to balance itself out by shrinking a little. AAA titles must get smaller, people should stop overrating them and give more chances to indie titles

[@ppp3435]

This is IMO very true, AAA titles takes long years and billions dollars to create, so they almost have to be generic to be safe bets for investors. And hardware became more expensive partially just because of demand aswell.

[@Adromelk]

The only thing monsterous about the 50 series will be the prices.

[@AMDRyzen57500F]

The power draw as well... 600w on the 5090....

[@Pawcio2115]

Meanwhile PS5 Pro for $700 💀

[@potatochipstaskforce141]

Ray tracing is available even for ps5 and tht upscaling psst is just a marketing gimmick if they want they can add it even to ps5 with a software update only its not tht big of a deal​@@raven679-m3i

[@GonthorianDX]

800 euro 🤡

[@Manicfuguestate]

$700 and it doesn't even come with the disc drive.

[@cblack3470]

Bargain tbh, a mid tier GPU now is that price before you even build the rest of the pc

[@AMDRyzen57500F]

But the problem is that a $700 PC with well picked parts will always outperform the ps5 pro, which makes the consoles less attractive compared to PCs

[@pepperidgefarmremembers1911]

DO I remember when the GTX 1080ti dropped? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

[@Wizardi1111]

I only upgrade once every 4 years. Don't buy games at release, get them at a 50-70% discount later, when they're more optimized, bugs are fixed and with all the DLC's. And can finally run them without upscaling at high fps.

[@christophermullins7163]

Yes. Some of the besr games ever released between 2012 and 2020. An endless list of games to play that all run at 4k on a mid range gpu. The problem is that if everyone did that.. game devs would make even less money and modern games would get even more trash. These devs need to focus on playability and stop trying to break new grounds visually.

[@5-OTT.s-ON-A-KICK]

my rig being a 5800x got it for 130 and a 2060 old play ps3/360 era games keeps old rx570 for good memories

[@Hoonter101]

If buying isn't owning than pirating isn't stealing

[@johnmiller678]

This is the way.

[@ldope3904]

Sparking Zero will be only new game I’d have bought, even preordered, since at least PS3 days

[@freedom_fighta]

5090 is gonna be a performance monster but it's also going to be a price monster.

[@anthonymccullough158]

Talk to the Nvidia boys, they keep eating them cards up.

[@Hoonter101]

Thats because they are better cards

[@Torso6131]

@@Hoonter101 I had Nvidia cards from 2006-2022, had ATi before that and my first AMD card has been the 6700xt. Maybe the drivers were mature enough, but honestly for the price I paid at the time ($325, came with two games), the experience has been even better than what I had with Nvidia. Granted I was coming from a non-RT and non-DLSS card so that's really where nvidia is better these days, but I actually really AMD cards. I mean I'll be open to whomever when the time for an upgrade comes, but I stand by the "buy whatever is the best deal in your price range" mentality.

[@account-2239]

@@Torso6131I have this card with the 5700x because i thought it would be enough. I’m thinking of upgrading because it’s hard to compete anymore when your pc can barely run the game

[@Torso6131]

@@account-2239 a 6700XT? It's been fine enough for me in anything competitive, but I also have it paired with a 7800x3D now (Did have a i7 6700k before, what an upgrade lol). But I'm mostly sticking to stuff like CS2 and TF2. Maybe a little overwatch every now and again. What are you playing in multiplayer that the 6700xt isn't enough if you don't mind me asking? I've been sticking to single player games as of late (Baldur's Gate 3 has consumed my last year, Alan Wake 2 behind it) and it mostly ran those quite well.

[@albert2006xp]

We don't like the increased prices but we don't like cards without DLDSR+DLSS and with poor RT even more, especially when they're not even half price as they deserve to be and actually want to charge close to Nvidia prices.

[@aaaaasssss884]

As a Taiwanese, I appreciate your sharing. Taiwan number 1! However, just remind you that long working hours has led to burnout and physical health problem for staff in TSMC. When you hold your graphics card, remember this is really from blood and sweat and tears of TSMC. Hope they can form a union.

[@paulboyce8537]

Taiwan is the corner stone for West. It is also a great price for China. You do get noticed.

[@AffectionateLocomotive]

❤❤❤ tsmc is nice.!?

[@samuelllakaj5439]

Bro I didn't know squat about Taiwan but you having the best chip manufacturer in the world is wild.

[@Hoonter101]

@@paulboyce8537 Taiwan is not the West they are trade partners with them. Officially, they are part of China. Soon as we have our own foundries they will be cast aside.

[@jasrajsandhu1658]

I don't care, they had a choice and they took this one

[@bjarnis]

It's a good thing that it's such a small upgrade from generation to generation, means we don't need to buy a new PC that often.

[@George_C-e4v]

yeah but you are playing medium settings or using upscaling techniques with your 800€ Graphics card. I don´t like that

[@smartcucumber7559]

@@George_C-e4v Bro it's not that hardware we have now sucks it is awesome bad optimization is the reason why system requirements are getting insane!

[@bjarnis]

​@@George_C-e4vI just don't buy new games that are too demanding. If I can't run a game at native 1440p above 120 fps on high settings I just buy the game whenever I get a way more powerful PC.

[@tomthomas3499]

Until newer games forcing RT/Lumen to be enabled all time, tanking performance for low end gpus, some even can't run it at all like mesh shaders requirement 😂

[@thomaswest6650]

If everyone were to skip multiple generations, component sales would plummet. Then invidia and amd would pivot even more towards their corporate customers and pc gaming get less innovation plus higher prices. Developers crafting better games that run on old hardware is the only hope for the future. For now, playing older games is the obvious option.

[@TecraX2]

It is of course a pure coincidence that these annual price increases happens at point in time when ALL products are made by A SINGLE manufacturer (TSMC)...

[@NoName-qs7ed]

Yeah

[@NoName-qs7ed]

TSMC power. They can charge high because their is no competition

[@AMDRyzen57500F]

Erm actually Intel makes their own silicon wafers 🤓🤓👆👆 But seriously, Intel is not that attractive for normal consumers

[@ldope3904]

Get Intel gpu so they can speed up driver improvement. They perform great for when they run smoothly. Only certain old games have issues as they don’t have a long history of driver experience. In a few years, Intel will have better gpu than AMD. Hopefully actually compete with Nvidia bc they basically bent over n gave up when they announced their manufacturing of high end GPU failed and is actually why they won’t be releasing high end

[@mojojojo6292]

​@@AMDRyzen57500Fyes which is why their cpus use more than double the amount of power as the AMD equivalent

[@jarivuorinen3878]

The thing with AMD Ryzen 7 7700x and 9700x is that older one is 105W CPU and runs higher base clocks, and newer one is 65W CPU. This means that while performance is very similar, near identical, there are huge optimizations done to make it more energy efficient. This is huge difference. 5 nm vs 4 nm process surely helps.

[@Sparxef]

Also don't forget that Windows isn't really optimized for the newer chips. Some updates even bring more performance.

[@VintageCR]

or you could lose a little performance and undervolt the 7700x to become more energy efficient (not sure why anyone would do this but it is possible) .

[@jarivuorinen3878]

@@VintageCR Technology itself is very useful for applications like laptops and small PC's, thin clients and such. While this doesn't directly fit to high end gaming, people still use these devices to play games. I do not think 7700X can be undervolted to 65W without reducing clocks and disabling boost, as it is done on TSMC 5 nm process. Performance would suffer a a lot. 9700X however is 65W out of the box, and probably could be undervolted to be even less. I don't disagree with you, I simply commented because this channel used these processors as showcase for miniscule benefits, missing the point completely. I just don't like misleading content. Surely we can take one metric and chew and that, but it's not like these processors are the sweet spot for purely gaming anyway. It's just half blind approach.

[@VintageCR]

@@jarivuorinen3878 no you are right, i may have missleaded my comment, my goal was basically to say why even manufacture a higher powered CPU when the next gen or not even next gen is coming up packed with better efficiency.. its such a waste to keep producing multiple products (cpus) with the added errors in the wafers, but they only have marginal performance increases.

[@jarivuorinen3878]

@@VintageCR There are some news that AMD will no longer produce 7000 series soon. TSMC makes the chips but their costs have risen. I'm sorry I can't find the source right now so take it with grain of salt. I also didn't mean that you've misled anyone, I mean the channel, content creator, used those processors as bad example.

[@terzaputra3203]

I remember buying a little GTX 950 back in the day for just 150 USD, and i was set to play at 1080P High Settings 60FPS. Now? Budget cards is basically nonexistent.

[@infernal-toad]

It’s also a shame about Ada Lovelance GPU’s that there is a RTX 4050 laptop but not a RTX 4050 desktop variant, compare that to Turing when we had the GTX 16XX series as budget options compared to the RTX 20XX series.

[@SuddenFool]

I still have my GTX 970. Wonderful little card served me fantastically until i got myself a 1080ti. And it's still working just fine. But you ain't getting more that 20fps out of that little guy on modern games at 1080p when i used to get 100+ fps on games like The Crew

[@nickochioneantony9288]

for those who wondering for budget gpu, there is RTX 3050 6gb with a shit memory bus about $200. There... you got a brand "RTX" without any capability to run anything with Ray Tracing. That is how low Nvidia has become in term of consumer's respect. I don't even have the power to tell you how underwhelming RTX 3050 run... it's just very dissapointing. I remember 1050 for being a beast, then 1650 Super bring that budget build to the next level.

[@unholysaint1987]

@@nickochioneantony9288 exactly... nvidia's current "budget" option is the 4060, right around 300 dollars depending on where you look... 5 years ago that was used 1070/1070 ti money

[@Nimbus1612]

@@infernal-toadit’s cause desktop RTX 4060 is actaullly a 4050. It’s based on xx-107 chip. 106 was always xx60 series die and 107 for xx50

[@andred212]

Greed. Greed destroys everything. Eventually none of us will be able to play any new games.

[@ceeespee2204]

gotta toss ego in there too they're both equally guilty and destructive here. i think at least.

[@albert2006xp]

Literally makes no sense. Games cater to the majority of players. Even a 1060 can play new games nowadays. Consoles also exist and aren't stronger than a new PC (though they can be stronger than a PC from 4 years ago). The problem here is with players. They simply don't understand what their system is capable of and what resolution and settings it's made for nowadays.

[@BleedingMem0ry]

@@albert2006xp Your delusion is astounding.

[@albert2006xp]

@@BleedingMem0ry On a post that claims companies will release games nobody can play. That's wild. You guys are out of your minds.

[@Misguided_mad_scientist]

Brothers it’s time to get up, vex just dropped a new vod

[@chaoswolf9452]

the next big leap is going to be when intel figures out the optical photonics that they been working on, but as far as the density goes, I think we are probably hitting the limit of what regular folks can afford.

[@Scorptice]

Personal opinion: We have reached cap on 1440p and even 4k gaming. Who needs more than 175fps on 1440p? Who needs more than 80 on 4k? What is there to even improve upon. The next step is VR and the insane resolutions these glasses require. Before that happens we will be in the current swamp Edit: The bad game performance is not a hardware issue but a lack of optimization from the devs to save money.

[@cvd1]

There are monitors that can display 4k at 240hz so yea there is still room for improvement

[@nothing-fh8vi]

@@cvd1 the difference between 240 and 165 is negligible at best

[@gurnery4219]

Esports and competitive gaming needs 1440p over 175hz. It's how I play CS2 and I can't play it any other way.

[@Scorptice]

@@gurnery4219 I get that but correct if I'm wrong, esports play these titles on lowest settings with no shadows? Even a 4070 ti super should push 200+ on 1440p this way

[@gurnery4219]

@Scorptice tbf atm shadows on cs2 is a bigger thing than it used to be on CS:GO. Personally, single-player games at 60fps is perfectly fine but competitive as much as I can get. I don't feel graphics are looking nicer for the performance hit most of the time. I can't see 8k taking off for another decade when tv companies make it affordable, and even then, do we even need it? We've definitely hit some sort of cap, and I agree to an extent.

[@Mike-jm4gg]

Its the lack of competition that destroy gaming…..and AI.

[@yasu_red]

It doesn't help that games are coming out with graphics that are far past the point of diminishing returns, with awful usage of TAA and upscaling that makes those improved graphics basically pointless.

[@bfhandsomeface409]

A company will never make its products cheaper if every time they raise prices people rush to buy them as fast as possible! I wouldn't either tbh.

[@Delpnaz]

Games arent getting more demanding, Just less optimized.

[@albert2006xp]

No, they are getting more demanding. Just like at any stage through gaming history.

[@Delpnaz]

​@@albert2006xp if a game runs at 30FPS on the latest hardware, That's poor optimization, It's like you're trying to fill 5L jugg with 10L of water , Then blame the jugg for its incompetence.

[@albert2006xp]

@@Delpnaz "Latest hardware" is vague. Also no game just runs at 30 fps on anything you could call "latest hardware", you made it run at that by setting it up in a way your card is not meant to run at. Trying to run render resolutions you aren't cleared for at max settings.

[@Torso6131]

I wish more games would opt for a cartoony art style. Not only does it age better, but it also upscales significantly better when needed. Wind Waker, running at 480p with a CRT filter on still looks pretty dang good. Team Fortress 2 at native 4k looks incredible and came out in what, 2007? Dunno why Borderlands is so GPU heavy these days though. Guess it's that Unreal backend. Maybe it's the lack of "fine detail" but they look great even at lower res.

[@mercurio822]

Rtx killed gaming

[@curie1420]

this is the only good comment tbh

[@zam1007]

Rtx isn't in any games. 🤔

[@roklaca3138]

Rtx for rich gamers who can soend 2500€ on a new gpu every 2 years

[@brandonleemoss]

No that's the PS5 pro😂

[@jaredangell8472]

And honestly how much does it really add to the gaming experience?

[@Ramin97-z6b]

The revolution of graphics cards started from 8800 gt in 2007 I guess then 1080 was the second revolution

[@CeeDeeLmao]

13:31 the art styles so good i forgot overwatch was even a game

[@cassieudy5718]

I recently reinstalled Doom 3 with a resolution compatibility mod. I played it on an ultrawide OLED. Guys, this game is 20 years old, and to my eyes it looks genuinely BETTER than any of the upscaled shimmering blurry garbage we're getting today. Yes, it has low poly models and flat textures. But the art direction, purposeful lighting design, and ultraclean super sampled image quality makes up for it. No FSR/DLSS artifacting. No TAA blurring. No weird shimmering anywhere in sight. Just smooth, high framerate gameplay. Modern games just look so disgusting despite the massive technological leaps. What is going on?

[@jeremiahjohnson2784]

Tbf, doom 3 had John Carmack, giga brain coding hyper genius, to code it up.

[@HuddledEragon]

Newest games these days feel like they become unoptimized to the point the triple A Studios are becoming more reliant on upscaling and frame generation instead of optimizing the games to run better on old hardware, plus the two games I have been playing is Red Dead Redemption 2 and Forza Horizon 5. The main reason why I bring these two games up is if you look at Red Dead Redemption 2, compare it to the newest games you'll notice Red Dead Redemption 2 looks and performs way better, also with Forza Horizon 5 that is the most optimized game I have ever played and you can use the old graphics cards on it to the point that it's still runs decently well. Basically I'm saying if game development didn't rely on upscaling and frame generation and rely on more on optimization, plus I'm saying upscaling and frame generation would be far better use on for older graphics cards and even consoles, but I do blame the higher up within game development for these problems and I say it's better to delay the game to allow it to have more time to be more optimized for better performance.

[@unholysaint1987]

I run everything I play on 1080p native on a 40 inch tv... No FSR, no DLSS, no ray tracing, no motion blur... If I can't run a stable 60fps like that with max or almost max settings, I don't need it... Kinda makes sense now that the last AAA game I bought was Fallout 4 in 2016...

[@granityseis104]

hell yea man rdr2 and metro exodus was peak

[@RonaldoxSiu]

Forza horizon 5 is crazy, I was able to get 60 fps with a 1050 ti on high settings.

[@mojojojo6292]

Everybody brings up red dead 2 as some super optimised masterpiece. Which it is but the reality is that game will still destroy a 4090 at 4k when maxed. The 2080 was the best card when it launched on pc. Yo

[@RonaldoxSiu]

@@mojojojo6292 Incorrect, it can get around 100 fps on 4k ultra max settings without dlss. Even my 1070 can play it on 60 fps at around medium-high settings

[@robinpresmann]

Lazy software optimisation isn't advancement. Games should be using Vulkan and be correctly optimised. id Tech Doom Eternal is a perfect example of a correctly optimised game. My 3060 can run it 1440p ultrawide with RT enabled.

[@arenzricodexd4409]

Vulkan can be a mess. It is ok if your game are triple A like Doom Eternal. If you're not then we will see the repeat of OpenGL where majority of game development end up favoring nvidia hardware.

[@robinpresmann]

@@arenzricodexd4409 They managed to maintain an engine that ran smooth-60fps in the 360/PS3 era. What these guys do is nothing short from magic. I would guess that such a successful port to the PS3 was as much of a feat as a port to Vulkan is nowadays. I'm not exactly sure what they do or how, but it seems that it has been done for many years already. It is a shame that we are just now starting to realise and appreciate the amazing technology that goes behind a game.

[@nickochioneantony9288]

It is a shame that ALL game devs will favor dx over anything else... it is the most cost effective at the moment, and AI helped them in the midst of software developer culling. Game Devs doesn't need people who can tweak optimization and other source like Vulkan because they rely on Nvidia, which is targeted for microsoft dx as the default option. I don't think AAA publishers will delay their game in the favour of optimization anymore, AI upscalling is here to stay.

[@michalsvihla1403]

@@nickochioneantony9288 I honestly doubt it's the developers making that decision. Devs do care about what they produce. It's most likely management and shareholders who seldom care about anything other than profit.

[@arenzricodexd4409]

@@nickochioneantony9288 game dev did not use DX because of nvidia. they use DX because MS provide a lot of tool and help when they develop their game using DX. Khronos Group only oversee the development of Vulkan. they did not provide extra tool or help to game developer. for such thing game developer have to rely on IHV support. and this is one of the issue. another issue is things like extensions.

[@GonthorianDX]

It's super impressive that a 5090 is like double a 4080 but good lord, I can only expect it to be over 2000 euro too

[@George_C-e4v]

3000€

[@roklaca3138]

Yep, this time its 3000€+ for 5090...a consumer grade graphics card....lmfao those rtx A workstation cards will be cheaper soon😂😂😂😂😂

[@ldope3904]

Buying $1000 gpu’s to only game on is stupid and dog shit value. 4090 is for ppl who work using it, not games 😂 But hey, if I was Nvidia, I’d be “ripping off” the thousands who willingly accept purchasing bad value items too. I really hope to see Nvidia get more and more expensive and see the cornballs buy them up

[@mahdinemati8573]

The problem is not the hardware, the games do not use the hardware optimally

[@p0_0kie_001]

I honestly believe that we hit ceiling when it comes to graphical fidelity. I honestly see no difference between games that are coming out now and the ones that came out 5 or so years ago. I don’t understand how are they getting harder to run when they look basically the same. We truly do live in a time of diminishing returns.

[@SG-js2qn]

It's like what has happened in the auto industry. Prices are sky high and quality is not keeping up with price. What we need is better value at lower prices. As for computer graphics, I'd say we have decent graphics quality right now. The problem is more a lack of quality games. Games are being pushed out half baked or not even baked.

[@5-OTT.s-ON-A-KICK]

baked lighting and shadows? huh?

[@SG-js2qn]

@@5-OTT.s-ON-A-KICK That's a joke, right? When they want to, the studios can easily work within the limitations of current tech.

[@5-OTT.s-ON-A-KICK]

@@SG-js2qn yh but there too lazy like now valve is doing this bs upscaling stuff on cs2 like bruh

[@SG-js2qn]

@@5-OTT.s-ON-A-KICK There's nothing wrong with the upscaling, as that is simply another technique for making a game viable across a larger variety of players. FSR and DLSS are really just formalizations by AMD and Nvidia of a technique that's been available to game developers for a long time. Games are on the one hand a creative effort, and one the other hand technical, where they should be trying to optimize for a sweet spot between performance and quality. We don't need ray tracing, etc., to have a good game. That's mainly just the industry trying to find ways to justify new GPU purchases.

[@5-OTT.s-ON-A-KICK]

@@SG-js2qn well now we have companys using dlss to make their gpus seem faster the 4050 is slower then 3050 but its only faster with dlss on, whats the point buying a game when the devs make a optional feature become mandetory. im pretty sure dlss was made to either have games playable on 4k or use an old gpu to get more performance. now we have it to make new gpus to have playable fps on 1080p.

[@baskarafahlevy4065]

literally love ur content, because you put average gamers POV which makes it relatable to me.

[@christophermullins7163]

Underrated channel. I watch more of this guy's video than almost any other channel AND his channel probably has the lowest subs.. How does that happen?

[@jensenhuangnvidiaCEO]

I can charge WHATEVER I want. Because in the end, YOU GUYS BUY IT ANYWAY. LOLLLLL!!! THANKS FOR THE LEATHER!

[@ceeespee2204]

speaking of leather.. hows the fleet of leather jacket wearing flesh eating cyborg assassins coming along?

[@ldope3904]

Exactly! I would too! Gimme all that money dummies! 😁

[@DH-tt6gc]

My son is still using my 2017 GTX 1080ti build for warzone and rocket league at 1440p high setting over 120fps. Me using GeForce now 🙄 on my Mac book air.

[@christophermullins7163]

My son plays only Minecraft and Roblox. He's never wanted to play anything else. He gets 1080p75 locked at all times on the GTX 750ti. I ask him every couple months if he wants a better graphics card and he's like dude.. what's wrong with mine? Lol

[@arenzricodexd4409]

Soon clould gaming like GFE will become more common. A, friend of mine already move to GFE because he did not want to play catch up with the hardware. One year of GFE sub is cheaper than 3050 6GB.

[@christophermullins7163]

@@arenzricodexd4409 bro the input lag tho. It will never be solved because of propagation and equipment delay. Even in the same house with the server with expensive equipment will create delay. I can see it strickly for single player games but you can not play a single fps game with remotely competitive input lag. Plus the image quality has compression artifacts like watching Netflix etc. I think that single player games on handheld is where it will excel. I imagine streaming cyberpunk 1080p pathtracing on a handheld would be 10 times better experience than playing it locally on the handheld. Might actually be a great use of the tech. It can't be universally useful unfortunately.

[@arenzricodexd4409]

@@christophermullins7163 personally i can't imagine myself going the way of cloud. But for more casuals gamer out there it might become more sensible way to play games from time to time rather than spending big bucks on dedicated pc or console.

[@christophermullins7163]

@@arenzricodexd4409 I imagine the remote gameplay engine could easily run on tvs out of the box. (Maybe some do already?) Such as a "Steam TV" or "Xbox TV" that you can play any modern game on. Also.. remote gaming on a handheld would provide far better battery life than running natively... all modern devices become a gaming device. The tech has its place for sure.

[@IndyMiraaga]

11:20 When I was in college a few years back, quantum tunneling was theorized to start being an issue at 2nm. If it's now only an issue at 1nm, that's a pretty notable improvement.

[@MemosKaravis]

I remember when GTX 1060 6GB was better than GTX 980 4GB and today’s RTX 4060 8gb with so bad memory is not even cloze to 3080 ( even 10GB).

[@wanstarz]

It's not the hardware fault, its the game itself at fault.

[@sennemaa5976]

Ai Ai Ai Ai but what is Ai doning in the end?

[@Torso6131]

Machine learning denoising basically. IIRC DLSS2-3 and FSR2-3 are pretty similar technologies but DLSS and XeSS have hardware accelerated machine learning denoisers. Machine learning is pretty cool, I had a work project where my team was working on coding a machine learning based tool for our sales people to use (I was a chemist, so, learning to code, not my full time gig though) and it was pretty neat. You train it to take in all the old data and make a "decision" based on that and in theory it only ever gets better. Once AMD allocates hardware to machine learning for FSR I bet it'll make a fairly sizeable leap in upscaling quality, and it might even boost performance since the GPU won't be using async compute resources to upscale as much. Of course then you're taking up hardware space that could have been used on general performance, so maybe it'll be a bit of a wash. I think DLSS generally outperforms FSR on nvidia cards slightly for that reason.

[@chrisbampton5225]

One thing that will likely improve chip performance massively is using photonic chips as they will bump up the clock speed and won’t increase heat output. But we won’t see this until the mid to late 2030s. We are getting glass dies by 2026 to replace silicon, glass die can be used with photonics.

[@ldope3904]

Using sand product to make a different sand product. Nice

[@IntegerOfDoom]

Everytime i hear "AI" uttered my eye fuckin' twitches.

[@ceeespee2204]

get used to it it's not going anywhere lol i hear you tho

[@project_anti]

I feel like they are more focused on the features, then the raw performance that we want.

[@argh523]

People keep buying Nvidia even tho AMD has more raw performance / $

[@nossy232323]

Meanwhile, more people than ever have a gaming PC.

[@cizzymac]

As soon as frame interpolation was made a thing, it was only a matter of time until developers started relying on it to hit playable framerates. That time has already arrived.

[@narmandawidhi4366]

Game these day don't look good like back in 2012-2016 era.

[@christophermullins7163]

They do.. but at what cost? Playability is non existent.

[@5-OTT.s-ON-A-KICK]

me who only plays games from the ps3/360 era

[@WhiteStray]

​@@5-OTT.s-ON-A-KICK Im going as far back as the ps2

[@5-OTT.s-ON-A-KICK]

@@WhiteStray i lost my display adpapter for the ps2 yk the one that had the audio looking plugs, atm i have my homebrew ps vita xd

[@deadcell1]

Back when SLI was a thing.

[@rolfo728]

I don't understand how games stopped looking any better years ago but they still keep getting harder and harder to run.

[@freedom_fighta]

In the US prices don't differ much, but here in South Africa, a 4070 Super costs $850 US Dollars on Sale and a 7900 GRE costs $750 US Dollars on Sale, that's a huge price difference. The 4090 is $2650 US Dollars on Sale... That's not even affordable I can buy a car for cheaper.

[@Bad_Karma777]

Its basically the same thing in brazil :/

[@idontcheckmynotifications]

Similar in Australia

[@ElRabito]

4090 isn't produced anymore. That's why the price goes up to this crazy values......

[@freedom_fighta]

​@@ElRabito The 4090 has not been discontinued just yet, So stock hasn't diminished and the price hasn't yet changed to due to that. $2650 is a very cheap price in South Africa for a 4090.

[@RonaldoxSiu]

$2650 on sale? that's insane

[@slim420MM]

Blame the people who bought the 2080ti.

[@JQ86]

I was still using my 1080ti until it died two weeks ago and I'd still be using it for another year had it not. Smaller gaps between generations is a win for gamers imo. I'd rather games be more optimized for existing hardware than have to drop 2 grand on a complete rebuild every 3-4 years because of some new GigaRay Traced Turbo Womblebozzle.

[@papichuckle]

You can see why people just go to console to avoid that headache

[@5-OTT.s-ON-A-KICK]

dw theres plenty of gtx 1080s on ebay

[@Carnados]

the CRAZY part is that its still relevant, it can still run most games at decent fps, you really gotta pay a fortune to run a good looking game with good fps

[@paulboyce8537]

You are very much explaining my guess that 5090 is dual GPU. It is almost to the point double 5080 in specs.

[@procrastinates]

NVIDIA hasn't released a dual GPU since the GTX Titan Z in 2014, which was a decade ago. If they somehow released a dual GPU in 2024 and simultaneously bring back SLI, that'll be huge.

[@robr640]

Nah, we won't see multi die GPUs again till AMD, Nvidia, or Intel figure out how to chain chiplets together to perform as one GPU. The only exception to that, that I can think of is if AMD, Nvidia, or Intel make a dual GPU with one chip dedicated to raster performance & one dedicated to RT/AI. Kinda like NV was angling for with Physix back in the day, but this time with a half decent tech. I highly doubt NV would be the one to do this also as they already have the lead in RT/AI. It would basically be a hail mary from AMD or Intel to have a card that performs close to NV's top card. Then since AMD has already said they are leaving the high end GPU market for a bit, that just leaves Intel as the only one who could pull something like that off & has reason to try. However with all the 13th & 14th Gen issues Intel is facing right now they are in no position to be chasing the GPU performance crown. Gonna be a rough next few years for us gamers I think.

[@paulboyce8537]

@@procrastinates As pointed out it seems we are getting to the limit of GPU/CPU and transistors we can fit to it. Yet 5090 is double the performance of 5080 on all specs and at the limit of 600W of max Wattage. This is just speculation what I see. Logical conclusion. Maybe or maybe not. Also 4090 was already a problem to power supply so to lower it from 450W to 2 x 300W also makes sense if two power inputs as 450W melted the input.

[@paulboyce8537]

@@robr640 Well INTEL ARC already does it via REBAR. PCI 5.0 has direct lane to CPU that improves the pairing. Nvidia is looking to make CPU's but not yet. So having two silicon on one card would make sense to simulate what INTEL is doing. A770 already is better than 4070ti. Testing won't show pairing, queuing, waiting. Two different architectures. Nvidia has acknowledged the INTEL architecture as potential. Have they done something to simulate this? Specs of the 5090 are double to the point of 5080. That's why it raised my suspicion that it might actually be dual GPU card. Just note this is only speculation.

[@justicegaminginc]

I feel like game devs are just ignoring hardware limitations and optimization in order to have a prettier looking game.

[@Shizzmoney74]

Gaming is rapidly Destroying Itself in general

[@albert2006xp]

Steam has had its peak player count just last month. You guys are delusional and baited by this youtuber who just says what you absolute wastes comment in every comment section.

[@emlyndewar]

Moore’s law was killed by shareholder profits.

[@DDRWakaLaka]

man the 1080ti was just the best

[@ekcman]

Optimization is dead, it's a lost art. Nowadays Devs only need to spill out codes and someone will fix it later.

[@diegomireles]

The last GPU i bought was the evga 1080 SC, after that I abandoned the PCgaming, the increment in prices of the RTX was too much for me. I don't plan to comeback anytime soon, it's just too expensive this days. I use to buy high end CPUs, GPUs, MoBos and wasnt that expensive 1500usd, now you have to expend like 3000usd.

[@ElRabito]

Wrong. 1500 bucks, 7800x3d,7800xt and you are good.

[@keevacarroll5768]

This is a great great video. You managed to make a very complex topic much easier to understand. Well done. Great work! I'm surprised your following is so low! Been following you for about a year now.

[@-Rizecek-]

2020: 2080 Ti 4K native 50-70FPS 2024: 4080 4K dlss 2+3 70-90FPS... DLSS has ruined game states terribly...

[@CallMeRabbitzUSVI]

This^

[@albert2006xp]

Why would you run native when you can run DLSS and make a game more demanding and graphically intensive? Without DLSS (and upscaling on consoles as well) a game like Alan Wake 2 would have to release in the year 2030 to run.

[@adi6293]

nVidia's margins tell me that we could definitely get more performance for the price

[@baronvonslambert]

While I think current hardware is peaking or close to it, I really think it's more of a game and engine optimization issue. It's impossible to properly optimize games when it takes 4+ years to develop a game and you let the team that starts it go when their contracts are up, renegotiate with like 20% of them, find replacements for the rest, and then have to get the new team caught up to speed every two years of that dev time, and then have to rush at the end to finish to meet hard publisher deadlines, who won't delay because "release now, patch later". Good optimization requires a team that knows the code and the engines inside and out, you don't get that when the team that finishes the game is an entirely different team from the one that started the game, you don't get that when you spread the development of the game across 12 different studios across three continents. None of this is helped when the masses of the market want ever more graphically impressive products year after year, and an ever increasing amount of development time and budget is devoted to making complex detailed textures, meshes, effects, and lighting systems. They don't care that the hardware has to brute force or cheat it's way through the game, as long as the sweat beads on the background npc's have ray traced reflections.

[@TecraX2]

I'd argue the push for greater Visual Fidelity hasn't come from "the masses of the market" (i.e. the customers), but instead from the developers/publishers themselves... As stated during the unveiling of the PS5 Pro; when given a choice, 75% of players prioritizes Frame Rate OVER Graphical Fidelity!

[@baronvonslambert]

@@TecraX2 75% of players old that found whatever poll or survey resulted in that claim, sure.

[@mr.incognito4640]

The developers are barely optimizing their games. That is the reason for this 30 fps joke of a framerate .... And damn that frametime 28 ms??!!

[@TheNlghtmare]

While i think that you are probably right in most cases i really don't think that PC Gaming is destroying itself. People will just stop buying those insane Games sooner or later and companies will be forced to adjust their pricing, game optimization, etc. We see it all the time. In addition. People realise slowly that they don't need AAA Titels. Look at Ubisoft. It's decline is absolutly insane, since no ones buying that crap anymore and sooner or later it will happen to other Studios who think they don't need to listen to their customers. Why would you buy Monster Hunter Wilds if Monster Hunter Worlds exist.Which has resonable requirements and looks pretty good to this day? There is also an argument to be made that the Indie scene is bigger than ever. We see Games like Palworld rise to the top because those are amazing Games and you don't need an 40 series card to play them properly. In my opinion. To think that PC Gaming is dying is very delusional because it is really not it is doing better than ever. It just has different issues nowadays.

[@gkof23]

Not a GPU problem. AAA games are getting shitier, little to no improvement on graphic, badly optimized, bloated with unnecessary texture Dragon Dogma 2, and now it's MHWild. Both are developer's mess, not a GPU problem

[@czaransherin3545]

The worst about Monster Hunter Wilds about FSR is that AMD in their blog specifically advises to use FSR is when you've already more than a stable 60 FPS for the framerate in order to make it the most efficient without too much latency added. So it's going to be nightmare for the performances like what was Dragon's Dogma II at the release.

[@lynackhilou4865]

Just wanna add that the 5nm and 3nm numbers don't actually reflect the actual size of the transistor, they stopped doing that some time ago and now they mean completely different measurements. For example i think the 5nm process refers to the 5nm distance between the two gates and not the the actual size of the transistor which is bigger than that

[@Denso481]

Cyberpunk looks like a 2018 game running at the framerate of a 2028 game

[@Nick-pc9tf]

Nah, he used a bad example cause it was RT Overdrive. The game is well optimised and looks great even on last gen cards.

[@NoctisStrife88]

Greed is corrupting everything. Every culture and lifestyle

[@Raphy_Afk]

You're wrong, Deepmind just dropped Alpha Chip. If it has the tenth of the impact Alpha Fold had on biology we will see unimaginable progress in chip design. The whole community is also wrong about AI, it is where gains will come from.

[@curie1420]

keep coping

[@roklaca3138]

Copium is real...but yeah, the more you buy, the more you save...no ai will help you but corporations with their anticonsumer practicrs and price hiking

[@Raphy_Afk]

@@roklaca3138 Do you even know what Alpha Fold is? It litteraly advanced research in protein folding by centuries. Look it up.

[@mojojojo6292]

Nvidia has been using ai to assist with GPU design for years.

[@eliotanderson6554]

11:08 Byjus learning startup that guy who started the company is from My village and he studied in same college as mine

[@Dynamitethedrummer]

How about they bring back SLI? It's not that hard..

[@UsernameInvalid48]

Monster Hunter Wild's PC specs is completely ridiculous. I often think people blame unoptimization as a scape goat when they maybe shouldn't but theres no good reason you should need framegen to run at 60fps. They need to overhaul the RE engine for open world games.

[@GoldenEagle0007]

gaming industry is scammers paradise

[@daltonhays5156]

It is crazy to see that a 4060 cant even hit 60 fps on the latest games, especially at launch when they are also poorly optimized. I bought my 3080 thinking it was going to feel very strong for several years at 1440p but honestly it struggles to hit stable framerates when new games launch. I remember being excited for Dragons Dogma 2 but the game's performance was so bad and unstable that even when I was getting 60-70 fps with DLSS and medium to maybe high setting the stuttering made me give up on the game. I have launched it a few times since the opening week to run around but I still havent returned to the main city where before I couldnt hit a playing 60fps without DLSS performance and medium to medium-low settings. It is crazy to think that a $700 GPU has comfortably been ruined by worse and worse game releases and poor optimization that is somehow getting worse.

[@Unprotected1232]

I suspect many developers wanted to target 30fps on consoles like they used to on the Ps4/Xbox One. The key difference is that console gamers got a taste of 60fps and decent image quality with all the cross-gen games. Now we're stuck with botched attempts at 60fps where image quality suffers. Now many upcoming games are stuck with their current design and technical limitations with little room to pivot to 60fps.

[@reD_Bo0n]

To focus on the Monster Hunter Series, for the first PC release MH World Recommended settings also targeted 1080p 30FPS with (then) current gen hardware, while with a little bit tweaking reached 60FPS easily.

[@AtakenSmith]

I would say the developers nowadays has so much room to make games they became lazy in optimization.

[@SapiaNt0mata]

why waste time to optimize when there's DLSS/FSR and frame generation? i never liked these from the beginning cause i knew where it will lead.

[@AtakenSmith]

@@SapiaNt0mata Exactly.