PE Gaspipe and Everything You Need to Install It

[@LaurelAndElm]

I just got finished digging the trench for a pool heater. I didn’t know I needed all these parts. Thanks for the video/info. It was a big help.

[@Stakbundles18125]

Doing that right now! How did your job turn out?

[@brianruane8505]

Excellent explanation - very clearly laid out and articulately spoken!!

[@dungeondark]

Good Job! You did not say anything that was wrong information. Gas companies can often do the job cheaper than the general public can buy the parts though.

[@jackt6112]

Thank you! The reason I came here is to see if it used inside of a house and you answered that in the first sentence. I watched the city use the fusion method with their gas distribution. That requires some interesting, and good-size equipment but then they are working with larger pipes except where the branch to the houses. I learned they monitor leakage and they actually have quite a bit. When several areas within and area show too much leakage, they replace the entire neighborhood. In our case it was ~ 1 mile x 1/2 mile. We noticed that the grass in front of the corner house that was a yellow-green instead of green as a result of a fair amount of leakage of the main running in front of her house.

[@Bobcat1950]

Great video! Full of useful info, and you have shown the ease of installation. Everyone needs to look at the different connections and installation methods available. I only install on my own houses and chose the permasert 2.0. The lyco is probably the best bet and I would use for a professional or commercial install, but it requires additional tools that cost. I would misplace them before my next install. If needed I would use any of the products you have shown. You should always check with the local inspector, some of them have their own preferences.

[@boby115]

There is actually three types of fittings for the PE gas pipe ( compression, constab and lyco fittings). Having worked for the gas utility in Saint Louis Missouri for 35 years I can tell you I have seen PE couplings come and go over the years. In my opinion you will find a no better fitting than the lyco coupling. The particular coupling you show in the video has something called a stiffeners one of the most important things to install with these type of couplings. Being that the stiffener is one of the most important parts, I'am not sure why this manufacturer would not have it permanently sealed inside the compression coupling like all the other a manufacturers of compression type couplings. I have seen a house blown up and leveled to the ground because someone forgot to install the stiffener. I was not aware of any manufacturer that still had separate stiffeners( just surprised they don't know better). If you goggle lyco fittings you will understand why I feel it is the best PE coupling in the business no one else comes close. PS, thank you for your videos, a very good source of information and education.

[@davidb8596]

Bob. Looking to run NG in the ground. Have 3/4 PE for the run, but need to transition from threaded black pipe to the PE. Used Swagelok years ago for a similar run but they are so darned expensive. Would the Lyall #341051050800 do the same thing?

[@boby115]

@@davidb8596 , just need 2 risers to transition you from polyethylene to threaded pipe and two couplings. At the gas meter you will probably need a shut off valve ,tee for pressure test & insulated Union for cathodic protection of the riser. Don't use this junk ,call Lyall or Continental (2 of the better brands,lyco fit being the better one but you will need a special tool). Don't forget to call the gas company about the added load and they may need to upgrade the gas meter (?) If so ask them to leave you a drop for your riser. There is usually no cost for this depending on your gas company.

[@boby115]

@@davidb8596 , PS don't forget the trace wire.

[@davidb8596]

@@boby115 This is a simple connection. Replacing back patio and planning for a NG firepit the will sit (not built in) on the patio. Around the corner from the patio, there is capped black pipe protruding from the brick exterior wall that the original owners (who had built) had included in their customizing the construction. My guess is they had it run should they want a hot tub. Nonetheless, the NG source is the house system. As a result, I am looking at a 12 foot run (not including depth to bury) and dont have to mess with the meter. My plan is to uncap, add valve, 90 down, nipple, 90 to horizontal, nipple, compression/transition coupling, PE for the run, another coupling, then black pipe out of the ground where the fire pit will sit so its concealed. My issue is finding an appropriate compression connect to transition from pipe to PE and reverse at the run end. I dont want these "shark bite" or plastic couplings. The other couplings I have found are ones that are part of a "system". Item details often say that their coupling only works with their fittings and PE so I want to avoid that. Just looking for an ole fashion transition coupling that will accommodate black pipe (threaded or compression) in and PE compression out.

[@boby115]

@@davidb8596 , you don't want to put black Iron in the ground. I would use a 5/8" L Soft copper , connect underground from a 5/8 to 3/4 polyethylene Continental coupling ( copper to plastic). Come within about eight feet of the fire pit and go back to Copper. So in the end it should look like black nipple coming out of your brick wall, elbow facing down, shut off valve, Tee for pressure tap, flare adapter, flare nut on copper, copper pigtail running into your Trench, copper to PE coupling, PE pipe installed in 18" deep Trench, convert back to copper about eight feet away from the pit & make all needed flare connections. If it's less than 50 feet I would run it in all 3/4" L soft copper & no connections would be below ground. Disclaimer, this is approved in my area. This should always be done by a licensed professional and you still want to contact the gas company about load and their requirement for this type of installation. The gas company should be there to help and consult you on the proper method of installation they require ( in most cases there is no charge for this). Also note : some states and municipalities do not allow copper in the ground. Uncoated black iron pipe is prohibited nationally from being installed in the ground. Do your due diligence and good luck.

[@Ratlins9]

Thanks, excellent video.

[@pberube]

Great video. Short and sweet. Exactly what I needed to understand.

[@henryparrott2447]

Great job young man

[@pirategirladventures302]

Enjoyed the video! I am going to extend the propane line from my water heater to my propane tank. Previous owner had built an enclosure (attached to my house) which house three 100 lb tanks. I’m not comfortable with those tanks being basically attached to my house. No code out where I live. Anyhow, I plan to relocate the tanks 100’ away. I like the idea of the polypropylene versus copper lines. I had a suggestion to run the line from where my water heater is located, through a raised floor in my house, and then the remainder buried to the new tank location. Can you tell me if this sounds feasible, and are there fittings that connection the PE directly to the water heater? Thanks for the help!

[@chrismorse2096]

Very clearly explained… thanks!

[@joshcowart2446]

I wouldn’t say fusion is for larger utilities. We have an iron that goes from 1/2” to 2” and we use it regularly for gas lines.

[@PROATV13rb]

Josh Cowart I’m doing it right now lol

[@daveprice6870]

Great video! Thank you.

[@RB211TriStar]

Well done, very helpful!

[@smartplumber5570]

A very, very informative video! Great job, sir!

[@vishalkhanna1476]

As Natural gas going down is it a good opportunity for countries to buy for future n store it..from commercial perspective? Just a thought..pl do your analysis

[@PROATV13rb]

I have just been using a piece of Galvanized pipe to make the transition. They fit right into those fittings and tighten down just fine. Saves me quite a bit of money versus buying risers that are 90 bucks at Home Depot

[@boby115]

Just an FYI, you have just taken on a lot of liability. Galvanized pipe is not allowed in the ground per the National Fuel Gas Code. States and municipalities can enhance National codes ,but no way are they allowed to reduce or limit the national code. I have worked in the gas industry for over 35 years an have submitted depositions when incidents occur; believe me this is something you do not want to continue to do.

[@wheelinndealin]

@@boby115 yup, leave it to a licensed professional. This is a skilled profession not a hobby. These accidents are not something you want to experience.

[@cleansebob1]

This is a great example of why codes exist -- to protect the public against DIYers who don't have a clue what they're doing. Mistakes can be deadly.

[@PROATV13rb]

@@boby115 in AZ if you run hard pipe underground it has to be scotch coated and The fittings must be GALVANIZED and wrapped with 10mil. Tape.i only use it as a riser and I tape it very well

[@PROATV13rb]

@@wheelinndealin that would be me, I’ve been installing gas since 99 and I now run my own company. I’ve done side jobs ever since I was out on my own and never have I once had a call back for any type of gas line problem. I have never had an accident or anything even come close to one. I take pride in every single job that I do and wouldn’t do any work any way other then I would at my own house. Now I don’t know if you sir have personally used the home flex underground system or not , by your disapproval I’m willing to bet you haven’t because you would see what I’m talking about and the way the fittings seal to the pipe. Now I’m only talking about home flex, once you slide your pipe inside it the way it seals it is it has a seal that goes around the outside of your pipe when you take it down and smashes that seal to the outside of the pipe. So it doesn’t matter what kind of material you put in that fitting if it’s IPS size it has the same or diameter it’s going to seal it. I would much rather trust a piece of steel over a piece of plastic myself. The other style with the compression and the Stab fittings Are a whole Nother ball game.Those other types are good for small jobs they are quick but stab fittings are priced ridiculous. I had a 2 inch T A few months back and it was damn near $500 The PE fusion tee in 2” was only 10 dollars. I shelled out and bought a fusion iron and that’s all I use now. I still do not buy the risers tho. They are way over priced. I just use a fusion 90 and a transition piece Which is perfectly legal.

[@sanlot17ken]

How long do these PE last? Will they ever leak and need replaced?

[@mbfree2003]

Can I come up in the middle of a slab with one of those risers add a shut-off the go to black pipe?

[@Nitestalker65]

Have done this work for 36 years. We fuse all our pipe. Or use a met- fit type fitting

[@johnnyfive8748]

Awesome video. Liked and subscribed!

[@Philintx]

I’m hooking propane from my house to my barn. If I connect propane behind the main regulator at the house, do I really need a second regulator at my barn?

[@2manycatsforadime]

The fitting with the stiffener is home depot sold mostly. The stiffener doesn't fit all PE pipes, only the thick walled pipe which is the one sold by home depot. standard IPS wall thickness is not thick enough and the stiffener doesn't fit, it is too small and flops around. Because of this it is hard to get a tight seal and pass the gas pressure test.

[@commercialelectrician133]

Great video is this what you us for LP gas

[@thehomeconstructiontoolcha857]

excellent presentation.

[@tubalcain1]

I understand this type of tubing is for underground use however can I use this for inside of walls where it won't be exposed??

[@larrypruitt3919]

What if there’s a fire? JS

[@timmckenney6981]

I want to run a gas line under a concrete patio I am about to pour for a future natural gas fire pit. How deep should I bury it below the slab? I am in Montana. Also, can I just pour concrete around the risers or should I sleeve them or something?

[@jorbace]

Great info! Thx.

[@jimsimpson4385]

WHER DOES THE POWER COME FROM THAT TRACES THE GAS LINE? AND WHAT VOLTAGE? OR IS IT ONLY USED WITH TRACKING EQUIP. THANKS

[@specyiald]

Can you do a video on the same PE pipe but with a shut off valve at the beginning.

[@benfranzoso4736]

helpful video and smartly conveyed

[@flamehotnspicey]

What gas lines or best and safe steel copper ep PC what is the best

[@circuitdotlt]

Wait. Are you saying you can DIY instead of paying a company to do it? How is all the formal process done? Do you need to certify it after DIYing? Will anyone ever sign the paperwork if the job was carried out by someone else?

[@heronimousbrapson863]

I think this video must be for installation technicians in training, not do-it-yourselfers.

[@circuitdotlt]

@@heronimousbrapson863 it looks so easy that is hard to believe you need a certificate to do this...

[@heronimousbrapson863]

@@circuitdotlt It may be easy to do, but certification is probably required because flammable gas is involved.

[@losttribe1993]

@@circuitdotlt Alot of things in your home are easy to fix !

[@circuitdotlt]

@@losttribe1993 sadly, you need paperwork for some.

[@jesussolis7294]

Thanks for showing this tip's

[@JuanMolina-dc8il]

Are these pipes safe for basements? some people telling me is a fire hazard and that galvanized metal tubing is safer for gas anyone have a good answer for me?

[@jfarinacci0329]

Good vid. Thank you.

[@noplacelikehome9116]

How do you know which diameter of pipeline to choose?

[@Dannyws6]

I have a laundry room that is under a slab foundation. What type of pipe could I use to run a gas line to this laundry room? Would the PE pipe work but in some sort of conduit?

[@snoopdogie187]

You can't run PE under a house, and gas piping needs to enter the house above grade. Also you can't run metal pipe underground (at least shouldn't) This leaves you with entering above the slab, and running piping into the house, probably staying inside the walls to hide it, unless the laundry room is on an exterior wall. The one exception might be if you use copper pipe, but the cost!

[@gurmeetgill6752]

Thanks for info. I was looking around Canadian stores for this but I don't see it available. Maybe I just need to search better or is this not approved for use in cold climates?

[@chrislamarre6036]

All Hvac suppliers have it

[@desertcamel3573]

which is better to use for PE yellow pipe dr11pipe fusion or mechanical for residential?

[@PEXUniverse]

We'd recommend PE yellow pipe dr11pipe fusion

[@bryanrudd608]

Do you need a protective sleeve when you install this underground or is it thick enough to not worry about a protective sleeve. Thanks

[@aron6998]

No protection needed unless under a driveway whether it’s gravel or other material

[@JackCondor44]

if i daisy chain from my house to my garage do in need another vent and regulator

[@ankurjohriddsmd]

what size pe tubing do i need. i need to go from my main gas meter which goes into my house and want to make connection to 2 fire bowls and 1 fire pit. my distances are about 150 feet to first fire bowl, then i'm thinking I'll T off to second fire bowl (after 50 feet away) and then T off to the Fire pit (about another 50 feet away). Thanks.

[@snoopdogie187]

You need to know your gas pressure, lengths of all runs, and btu of each appliance. The code book has a chart you can use, and there are plenty of videos on here explaining all of this.

[@niradz]

Great video thank you

[@Kevinw4040]

What gauge wire is required for tracing wire?

[@erikbradley3050]

I believe 18

[@punxnotdead3873]

Does this need to be bonded if my black iron is already bonded at water heater, csst is in attic

[@andy347]

Great video - went to your website to buy some and you don't list it.

[@PEXUniverse]

Thank you for the comment, every product you see in the video can be found on our website in category heating>gas.

[@watercarepro9610]

At 35 to $45 a pop, how does he figure these fittings are cost-effective?

[@danb.3397]

EXCELLENT VID

[@donwhitmire978]

thank you

[@desertcamel3573]

great vid.

[@obijiakyanthony1294]

Do you have a PDF of these lecture please

[@topspeederalmond]

Thank You

[@krazyj1957]

Will it work under a driveway?

[@PEXUniverse]

yes

[@walterbrunswick]

24" burial under driveway in my jurisdiction (Ontario Canada 🇨🇦)

[@firstmanagement1]

Wherecan i find a chamffer tool for poly pex pipe

[@andygilbert8166]

6:12 - the wire is still detectable, it's called a metal detector! AKA the same detection method as used for the tape Mr. Gas Man 💨

[@rosendomacias1303]

Black Iron Pipe is never used for underground gas lines... You are supposed to use Fletcher pipe for that purpose...

[@admin2717]

What kind of gas pipe material I should use If I'm running the the gas pipe line outside the house (from the gas meter to kitchen as my basement is finished) ?

[@GG-tt3sg]

Rigid galvanized pipe

[@walterbrunswick]

@@GG-tt3sg where do you live that galvanized pipe is allowed for gas by your jurisdiction?

[@GG-tt3sg]

California Los Angeles

[@walterbrunswick]

@@GG-tt3sg what about close nipples and street elbows?

[@GG-tt3sg]

Can't use no street fittings Close nipples yes. No left and right fittings is a no go

[@OfficerSafetyIssues]

Why can’t pe pipe be above ground underneath your house?

[@PEXUniverse]

This is because gas pipes are not meant to be kept inside a wall out of sight. Due to any leaks that take place can run a risk for accidental damage. More of a softy issue.

[@OfficerSafetyIssues]

@@PEXUniverse thanks

[@paulcollins6863]

Can you use PE gas lines in a crawl space?

[@arthurr8670]

No, only under ground. Above ground has to be metal, at least as far as I understand it.

[@Jimbo234GW]

standard/herd risers are not recommended for coastal areas ... I have seen them rust out in less than 5 years. We only use flex risers.

[@RosebudBB]

How far underground does in need to be? For how long a distance?

[@Hunter-ep7tn]

Rose Brennen depth depends on local code. Where I am it’s 18” from top of pipe to final grade but it changes depending on where you’re at

[@RosebudBB]

@@Hunter-ep7tn I'm in Manchester Ky and I can't seem to find any information from anyone

[@garygray906]

18 inches

[@cameronreason]

Lycofit is the best..never leak!

[@STEVEM730]

How deep should you bury it?

[@mab1552mb]

May install this in my cross space?

[@losttribe1993]

Use corregated steal

[@walterbrunswick]

@@losttribe1993 corrugated stainless steel tubing (CSST)

[@walterbrunswick]

@@losttribe1993 don't steal, it's not nice

[@losttribe1993]

@@walterbrunswick Haha! Its my Irish accent ! I had to read a few times to get it!

[@Jimmie-bv2ky]

Jimmie t

[@maestrovso]

These PE pipes are like tile business. They sell you the field tiles at reasonable prices to sucker you in. Then you get a huge sticker shock when you buy the inside and outside corner tiles and they really gouge you. The equivalent of these in PE pipes are the connecting fittings and the worst of all the risers. Be prepared to get reammed by the sharp reamer.

[@snoopdogie187]

I've noticed because I'm doing a system that is going to end up needing 5 risers, each coming off a 3 in line. Now I'm pricing if its cheaper to buy extra PE line to reduce the size underground, or reduce it above ground in steel.

[@treeguyable]

Yea, but, price copper, steel, and csst , and all the tools and fittings. This route is cheaper for me, when replacing 50' of copper line. Can't even find the copper/ brass ferrules I need, if I wanted to go back to copper. This should be a cinch.

[@krazykraut0069]

this is a harry homemaker gas video..in alot of states anything up to the meter is gas company property..so dont know why you would be doing anything with your riser or pipe to the main..what about air testing the connections and riser?this video could get someone blown up...call professionals

[@boby115]

Edward, this would be for fuel run installations past the gas meter, to things such as outbuildings ,pool heaters, generators,fire pits and the like. And yes this work should be done by a licensed professional plus the gas utility should be informed before starting, so all of the requirements are understood, and everyone stays on the same page.

[@RichardsMovies]

One word: Kaboom.

[@rogervaught3985]

When I try to go to your website I get: Potential Security Risk Ahead

[@Chrominance87]

It's pipe? Does that mean it can be threaded?

[@Hunter-ep7tn]

Chrominance87 no. Only steel pipe can be threaded

[@zacharyolds1639]

Metric ton of shite is needed for fusion lol 😂

[@saltybuckeye]

diggers are the worst