You've Been Installing Home Flex Gas Pipe Wrong This Whole Time

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@synisterfox 8 ай бұрын

I would actually recommend using a deburring tool over the file for cleaning up that lip on the flex pipe. Takes just a few seconds and gives you a clean edge. EDIT for clarification: A hand deburring tool, not the kind you put on a drill.

@lambition 8 ай бұрын

You must ground gas pipe when using CSST gas line. Make sure you have ground bonding wire to gas line. The reason is when lightning strikes, arc can jump between grooves or nearby grounded object and punch a hole through thin CSST.

@lrc87290 8 ай бұрын

I think there is a black CSST that is arc safe

@lambition 8 ай бұрын

@@lrc87290 that is made for exterior uses, but I believe it still requires ground bonding. Not exactly sure though.

@MK-xl9tt 8 ай бұрын

I’ve seen it first hand house was struck by lightning and a 12-2 wire was touching the trac pipe, burned a bee bee sized hole right through the pipe. Luckily the homeowner was there and smelled the gas right away.

@lambition 8 ай бұрын

@@bluejay713 it just needs to be bonded somewhere within the system. Doesn't have to be at the meter. When CSST is added after drywall is on, bonding is usually done at or near CSST transition to make ground bonding visible for the inspector.

@lambition 8 ай бұрын

@@bluejay713 If the gas pipe was bonded to ground when the house was built, then it usually will be at the point of entry. Gas meter is usually outside around here and never seen gas pipe bonded outside. It probably is because pipe outside is painted. If the meter is inside, then I have seen them grounded there since it is the point of entry.

@timbrown9305 8 ай бұрын

When filing never let your filings fall inside your gas line (or any line). You have regulators down line that won't like that. (pressure regulator not a person).

@gallowaylights 8 ай бұрын

@timbrown9305 * good point 🫠

@1982nsu 7 ай бұрын

Another point. 11:21 There's no sediment trap. Elbow needed to be a "tee" fitting. So much for the title of this video "You've Been Installing Home Flex Gas Pipe Wrong This Whole Time." Same mistake at 08:10

@talon0863 8 ай бұрын

I like the trick of rolling over the sharp edge. That way the packing gets compressed not sliced. Maybe I missed it but I didn't see any sediment traps.

@1982nsu 7 ай бұрын

08:10 Absolutely spot on. There's no sediment trap. Elbow needed to be a "tee" fitting. So much for the title of this video "You've Been Installing Home Flex Gas Pipe Wrong This Whole Time."

@duke9173 Ай бұрын

2:13 he used the duct to support the pipe. That will fail any inspection.

@doughaven-rf8id 28 күн бұрын

@@duke9173 Good call, I noticed that too.

@Honestandtruth007 8 ай бұрын

I Prefer using Black pipe for Natural Gas than the Flex gas tubing. It's more secured tight seal

@lnk4328 8 ай бұрын

Agree 100%, but measuring, cutting and threading steel pipe actually requires knowledge, skill and a bit of work. Exact opposite of the state of this country.

@bignicnrg3856 8 ай бұрын

Do you still you use an out house to take a shit? 😂😂😂 mehh technology. Get off my lawn 😂😂😂

@jeffreyplumber1975 6 ай бұрын

looks neater too less likely to get damaged, cheaper. bonding electricly flex looks horrid but its faster. nothing wrong with it I just prefer the black

@timalan7406 Ай бұрын

@@lnk4328 I went from 32 joints to 8 joints.

@garbo8962 8 ай бұрын

Only took my electrician self about 40 years to learn the correct term for what you called the vallies. Guy from UL labs told us for type AC ( BX ) & MC cable they are called convolutions And yes that & $2 or 3 will get you a cheap coffee..

@JAIEB0 8 ай бұрын

Would love to see you touch on the importance of grounding when using this type of material. Alot of DIYers follow your lead and they just don't know. To important to not mention

@jayb6860 8 ай бұрын

Did you get an inspection on your work? I’m sure it would not pass due to the issues discussed.

@randymathews3348 7 ай бұрын

It's always great when someone says "you're doing it wrong" then proceed to do it all the way wrong

@1982nsu 7 ай бұрын

I agree. 11:21 There's no sediment trap. Elbow needed to be a "tee" fitting. So much for the title of this video "You've Been Installing Home Flex Gas Pipe Wrong This Whole Time." Same mistake at 08:10

@briansmyla8696 7 ай бұрын

@@1982nsu Drip legs aren't required any more.

@ElPescadorTejano 7 ай бұрын

@@briansmyla8696 that’s not true. In my local jurisdiction here in College Station, TX the city enforces the sediment trap. We put it in or it’s a $100 red tag.

@briansmyla8696 7 ай бұрын

@@ElPescadorTejano Local codes may require it, but I don't believe that the national code does. It's a relic from the days of wet, contaminated gas supply.

@briansmyla8696 7 ай бұрын

@@ElPescadorTejano UPC uses the phrase 'other than dry gas conditions' for many requirements, including the requirement for a sediment trap. Which implies that dry gas conditions are assumed in most cases, and 'other than dry gas conditions' is a rare exception. Sediment traps are required by code only in 'other than dry gas conditions'. Dry gas is assumed and expected in today's gas delivery systems. 'Other than dry gas conditions' is a relic of bygone days.

@garbo8962 8 ай бұрын

Retired sparky and maybe 8 years ago at a continuing education class they told us that each manufacturer has thier own way of bonding their SS corrugated tubing. I had a friend that needed the new half ass of it installed on top of 2.5" thin base board that had dents in it from being hit with vacuum cleaner to be bonded. I called the city owner Gas Company and they told me that I only had to run a wire from copper water service to steel gas line preferably where pipes enter the house. Did that and it was approved but I think it would be safer to run a #6 or 8 guage solid copper wire from steel gas pipe to a fitting in tubing then to where it connects at other end. If it was my house would have insisted on schedule 40 steel pipe to be ran on top of baseboard. Was in a basement rec room to feed a corner gas fire place.

@CanyonDavis 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for teaching me so many things. Always look forward to your videos!

@1982nsu 7 ай бұрын

BIG MISTAKE at 11:21 There's no sediment trap. Elbow needed to be a "tee" fitting. So much for the title of this video "You've Been Installing Home Flex Gas Pipe Wrong This Whole Time." Same mistake at 08:10

@keithosterkamp6207 8 ай бұрын

In cases like that I use a crows foot wrench and snap it onto my regular torque wrench. Works like a charm

@henryt9254 8 ай бұрын

Prone to failure because it really depends on the person installing it. Doing it right and doing it half-ass is a very fine line here I'm not too sure trusting even pros to get the fitting correct without worrying any potential issues down the road.

@edsai2041 Ай бұрын

My house got struck by lightning at the chimney, the strike seemed to go down to the CSST where it then arc'd over to 12/2 electrical wire. It put a tiny nail-sized hole in the CSST where it began to act as a flame thrower and burn the floor joists and subfloor. We got lucky and this happened near an outdoor water spigot which had copper fittings that melted and extinguished the fire. Another house in the neighborhood got hit about a year earlier and was a total loss but we just had about $50k worth of damages. I believe code changes regarding grounding and proximity of CSST to electrical wire. When they repaired it we had them take out all of the CSST and replace it with iron pipe.

@ElPescadorTejano 8 ай бұрын

You should really call a licensed professional when dealing with gas. Most other things I think a DYI’er can do. But when you are dealing with an extremely dangerous fuel; I would ⚠️ recommend you call a licensed plumber or propane installer. I’ve been in a gas explosion before and I’m telling you. The last thing you want to do is have your house go 💥 because you didn’t want to spend the 💰 for a pro. There’s a reason that certain things can’t be purchased by Joe Public and are protected behind a license. If you do your own work, please check several times before you leaving it, and check the entire gas system not just what you worked on. Nice video

@1982nsu 7 ай бұрын

@barfy4751 6 ай бұрын

Yet you can buy a complete electrical service as a diy person. Just as easy to die or burn the house down

@craigwalters7293 Ай бұрын

Yeah, not sure how much value there is to this comment. You can certainly buy the same materials at local hardware stores to DIY anything in a house. The only thing you can't do are initial utility hook-ups. Having someone else who's in the business of doing this, doesn't necessarily remove the risk. I've seen shoddy electrical work done by "pros" before. Years ago, most of these things were done by "Joe Public". It's only since around the late 70s where people stopped doing things for themselves and farmed out the work to a local "professional". This Old House with Bob Villa was a show out there showing folks how to be a DIYer before DIY was "cool", including utility installations from the meter bases and on. Reason nobody wants to spend money on a pro these days is mostly due to the current cost of living, and prices a lot of these professionals want. 4 hours labor for an upgrade on my gas line, just to run from meter base, down to an existing line, about 60 feet and 2 shutoff valves... was over $1,000. It was more expensive than the material. Don't get sucked into a false positive because your work was done by a professional. They're human too and while great, are subjective to making mistakes as well.

@Bowhunters6go8xz6x 8 ай бұрын

Good stuff but I noticed you don't have any "Sediment or Dirt traps" at your furnace, water heater on the gas lines. If the gas company ever works on your gas main in your neighborhood and dirt enters the main line or if rust is ever created on old pipes or from home repairs like running new lines those pieces of dirt (flakes of dirt and rust) will flow through you line and into your gas regulators on your water heater, furnace, etc. and can block and ruin them internally. The traps are very easy to make for a few dollars for pipe and a cap. From what i've read in some states they are mandatory when licensed repairs are done.

@mrbig4532 Ай бұрын

They are called drip legs .

@Bowhunters6go8xz6x Ай бұрын

@@mrbig4532 If you Google them you will find them as Sediment Traps or Dirt Traps.

@davek6630 7 ай бұрын

All new homes, I connect to gas have black csst. It has a layer of rubber over the tubing, then a steel mesh over that and then the outer layer of vinyl covering. It is because of lightning protection and needs to be bonded to ground. I don’t believe Iowa, Nebraska or South Dakota allow the yellow on new construction. I’d be surprised any other state allows it. Lightning burns holes through it!

@Browner19 2 күн бұрын

Most likely that is Flashshield tubing, which doesn't require any extra bonding

@Shadi2 8 ай бұрын

You forgot to bond the flex to panel ground with #6 wire. The reason is to provide a path for lightning current. You can use a nearby water pipe ONLY if the water pipe is bonded to PANEL ground. (use an ohm meter between the ground pin of an outlet and your pipe) kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYLMf4CkecmLh5o

@talon0863 8 ай бұрын

Thanks you beat me to it

@a3skywarrior929 8 ай бұрын

Great presentation. If you can cover any coding issues and things like bonding/sediment traps. We had the same type of gaskets in aircraft... flanges with nicks or bad gaskets always leaked 👍

@denniszhaunerchyk6191 8 ай бұрын

You create awesome videos. Glad you go into details like how to make it flush with the fitting. But I think music is too loud. Please post more videos!

@handykiddhe4778 8 ай бұрын

Get the stuff from Lowe’s. Has same washer but also an o ring for double the protection from leaks. Never let me down. Make sure to do proper grounding.

@ericr2zz 8 ай бұрын

Great video! I think you need to support your expansion tank on your hot water heater. Hanging the unsupported tank on its side may not be to code.

@gallowaylights 8 ай бұрын

@ericr2zz * they sure get heavy when the bladder fails...🫠

@diyhvacguy 8 ай бұрын

Will be replaced very soon with the tankless 👍🏼

@Moondoggy1941 8 ай бұрын

Rigid Aluminum Offset wrenches are your friend.

@yzmoto80 8 ай бұрын

It appears to be the same guy that installed the black iron, also installed the electrical wiring.

@diyhvacguy 8 ай бұрын

lol

@munozinni 8 ай бұрын

Great 😌 😊video and great tips…Saludos!!! You have a great Sunday!!!👋😃👋

@lesliechow7286 3 ай бұрын

Best to pressure test. If you have leaks then you got to the soapy water. Leaks can be missed with the soapy water.

@seahunterinca 18 күн бұрын

The jagged edge is because you're not using the recommended tube cutter. No need to file or mess with the connection.

@kennylives04 20 күн бұрын

dont use the rigid gas flex cutters with the yellow knob. they have these rings that are supposed to hold the cutter in that one groove but all they do is egg the pipe and then it doesnt compress correctly even if you try to un-egg it with pliers. or just it will push and stretch the corregations down the pipe they are supposed to protect. use cutters that have some flat rolling bar. my team was wondering what was going so horribly wrong, we changed cutters and suddenly all of our connections were holding.

@yupsir791 8 ай бұрын

Milwaukee knife! Be careful they like to evaporate away!! I am on my 3rd one.

@bigblue2216 8 ай бұрын

National Grid does not allow the Flex gas pipe. I was red flagged for it. The reasoning, I was told, is lightning strikes can cause pin hole leaks... I pressed X to doubt.

@gallowaylights 8 ай бұрын

Bonding? Some require ground wire to water lines, gas line and electric panel... flash shield?

@bigblue2216 8 ай бұрын

@@gallowaylightsWater line grounding isn't even legal for the cable company. They inspected my utilities, Red flagged the items and said see ya. I think it was a liability release for the company, they won't re-inspect after I fixed the issues.

@gallowaylights 8 ай бұрын

@@bigblue2216 it's so interesting how everything is connected together... at the pannel (neutral and ground), at that 3' rod into the ground "earth ground" at gas and water lines "bonding" at a light bulb "filament" in a pinched wire "short" etc.

@MrPoppyDuck 8 ай бұрын

I too was wondering if felx pipe is allowable everywhere.

@gallowaylights 8 ай бұрын

@MrPoppyDuck * nail guards... non moble applications... none corrosive environment... everything has pro and cons..

@jimkane9832 7 ай бұрын

I was told that homeflex is not designed to be disconnected and reconnected and that it should have a union between the flex and the appliance

@kentemple6498 8 ай бұрын

Switching from electric range to gas soon. This may come in handy.

@gallowaylights 8 ай бұрын

Wish that came with a pressure drop calculator Qr code link printed on the pipe... make things easier!

@dustinkrebs8229 8 ай бұрын

Do you have drip legs on the furnace, or water heater? I didnt see any...🤔

@diyhvacguy 8 ай бұрын

Not yet, the furnace is getting replaced and the water heater isn’t fully installed yet. But there will be on both 👍🏼

@dustinkrebs8229 8 ай бұрын

@@diyhvacguy I was curious. Good deal👍

@andy-ti9zf 8 ай бұрын

you are a generous man!

@davidmerkrebs9967 7 ай бұрын

great pro tip (the file method ) for home flex Question what do you do about bonding the csst and if so can it be bonded to the water main which gets bonded to the service panel

@everydaysolar 8 ай бұрын

Nice demo buddy 👊

@sloppytypist 3 ай бұрын

torque spec. is a mis-print according to Home-flex, should be 62 foot pound for 1/2" and 3/4". 74 foot pounds for 1"

@genemyersmyers6710 8 ай бұрын

Good video ,thanks.

@salvadorcastillo1539 8 ай бұрын

Thank you very much for your videos, very,very helpful...

@1982nsu 7 ай бұрын

@KevinDick-h6f 8 ай бұрын

You do not have to install drip legs at the devices ?

@skyscraper37 8 ай бұрын

Interesting that the lip doesn’t cause issues like you would have if it were a water line

@gnic76 8 ай бұрын

I would think it is because gas is run at a lower pressure than water is. 🤷‍♂

@MrPoppyDuck 8 ай бұрын

All the prep to use the flex line seems like it takes a lot of time. Wouldnt black pipe be faster to install?

@gnic76 8 ай бұрын

Black pipe is a pain and messy, unless you already have all the threading tools, fittings and can run it neatly to where you want it.

@diyhvacguy 8 ай бұрын

Amen. I love the flex but to each their own.

@natekry 8 ай бұрын

Never done anything to the edge. Never been an issue.

@search_eternal 8 ай бұрын

Are you putting in a 90+ furnace in?

@Pepe-dq2ib 2 ай бұрын

How is this faster, safer and better than black pipe? Use sawzall to cut black pipe. Use a step bit to ream it. Clamp it and cut the thread. Done.

@gallowaylights 8 ай бұрын

6" clearance on 3" flue for less than 28k btu with no rise at scoop?

@BOHICA_ Ай бұрын

@4:17 - I was taught to turn it the opposite way. The part that does not have the knob follows in the turning, not leading. Otherwise, i twill want to walk itselt out of the line, which is what happened to you.

@francisoconnor2392 8 ай бұрын

What type of venting material is on your furnace?

@diyhvacguy 8 ай бұрын

Is a double wall flex vent that’s made for gas furnaces. I can’t seem to locate them online however. I get them through my local hvac supplier

@WApnj Ай бұрын

Turning the tubing cutter in wrong direction. That's why it's jumping off the tube.

@safaaaboelenin1043 3 ай бұрын

That is a great video

@jamest-mk4qu 8 ай бұрын

Great work. Like to see your use of crescent wrenches on large fittings. But at approx. frame 11:22 you held the fitting with a wedged crescent wrench but tightened the flex piping with slip-joint pliers. Would not a crescent wrench have been a better choice? At least you are not like some U-Tube plumbers that seem to use nothing but slip-joint pliers on everything. Even chrome plated fixtures in many cases.

@sharpshooterofky 8 ай бұрын

Can Plex tolerate say a mouse chewing on it?

@hughfixit 7 ай бұрын

Why would anyone remove black pipe for CSST???

@Pepe-dq2ib 2 ай бұрын

modern day diy. I recently removed copper tubing gas lines on my new house purchase and replaced it all with black pipe.

@wolfgangzeisig6313 Ай бұрын

black steel is safer.

@mgoblue2 2 ай бұрын

Use the proper pipe cutter made to cut stainless steel

@tommcqueen3145 8 ай бұрын

🤔 I Think you're supposed to have a disconnect / union in front of the shutoff valve it seems to me should of strapped it better 👍

@robertking5766 7 ай бұрын

I think i would of pressure tested it with air first you ever know if there's a pin hole in the tubing

@1982nsu 7 ай бұрын

08:10 There's no sediment trap. Elbow needed to be a "tee" fitting. So much for the title of this video "You've Been Installing Home Flex Gas Pipe Wrong This Whole Time."

@tomatexelon 8 ай бұрын

I prefer black pipe over a bunch of extension cords like you have here. Flex line like that is really should be used for behind a gas stove or from the hot water tank to black pipe, which is less than 2 feet. Also at 9:45 you were filing and getting all the debris inside the flex line gas line. You should be doing it a better way.

@daveinvictoriavirginia7959 8 ай бұрын

Bonding a CSST line is imperative, not grounding. Any appliance that functions by thermostat, must have sediment trap. Any gas line longer than 1 foot must be pressure tested via air or non-flammable gas like nitrogen (minimum 15 psi). CSST line has started many house fires ! This is not a place to DIY.

@DWit-zn2oh 8 ай бұрын

I don't think DIY guy knows bonding.

@DWit-zn2oh 8 ай бұрын

Does not have to always be done at the meter..

@mikewhittaker5984 7 ай бұрын

Heater valve is useless where you placed it .

@diyhvacguy 7 ай бұрын

Um how so?

@Dimka2 8 ай бұрын

dang that mechanical room looks like a mess, it doesnt seem like it would be that much harder to do normal black pipe, or pro press gas connection

@kennylavay8492 8 ай бұрын

NO to pro press

@leiferickson713 4 ай бұрын

No offense but I can’t believe what code allows for gas today. yeah I see it all the time in the big houses that we wire. Just seems so unsafe.

@pukeschannel6882 3 күн бұрын

0 leaks? at 4 ounces pressure (much residential gas in homes is usually 4 ounces pressure), you're joking..right?????most codes require you to test it at 50 times that high to check for leaks. With a "proper leak test',..(meaning something like 15 pounds pressure for 24 hours) homeflex caused us enough problems that we finally threw the leftover out and went back to black pipe,..and when flex is required in some instances,..we use a competitors flex. WE prefer to run hard pipe. Some jobs we've been required to run a test of 125 pounds pressure...held for a week. If you call homeflex they will tell you that their pipe will not hold 125 psi. I believe many years ago,..I had them on the phone, and they told me that even at their mfg. facility...the max pressure they test at is 37 psi. And in the same sentence he told me never to run that high of pressure in it even for testing. I think he told me 25 psi max.

@diyhvacguy 2 күн бұрын

Did you prep the home flex correctly? Probably not. Probably why it gave you trouble 🤷🏻‍♂️

@pukeschannel6882 2 күн бұрын

@@diyhvacguy . Me, and an employee, prepped, tested, pulled apart, prepped again, etc., Nearly wasted a full day,..And I was on the phone with their office (or whatever you want to call it) more than once during that time. I always assume I am doing it incorrectly until I know different. The muckymuck on the other end of the line finally said that it would hold pressure at the pressure level residences are at (4 oz? are you kidding) ,..so why was I worrying? (That's when I knew I was talking to a pseudo plumber who was never licensed..I am licensed in California, which is where homeflex is at..I think they are near Magic Mountain) How can you work on ONE SINGLE homeflex run all day, putting it under test each time. Use new fittings (technically I should call them adapters) and pipe each time. I've ran miles and miles of pipe in my life. You can come show me,..and we will make a video. I would be very happy to find out that I could somehow make it hold 15 to 25 pounds for a few days. The ONE THING that I would have liked to do,..was to use some pipe dope on the sealing surface,...but the instructions stated not to do this,..and so did the guy on the phone. I hope they change their mind. When we absolutely have to use flex,. we use tracpipe or proflex. We test at 15 psi or higher and then give it a few days.

@jimpie231 8 ай бұрын

People have problems putting in black pipe with gas, this would be harder. I have seen plastic pipe used underground to swimming pool heaters, but only outdoors never inside. I would never have this in my home, I couldn’t sleep at night……..

@douglaswindsor120 7 ай бұрын

So is this ss how does this pipe and fittings compare to the pipe and fittings the gas fiters use flex pipe looks the same but the fittings are different as the ones the plumber use the pipe goes inside the coupler and the ring is 2 half parts of the ring also the flex pipe is stainless steel with the plastic cover on it you say they can be bought online can you also buy the professional fittings online as well

@tunafish3216 8 ай бұрын

It looks to me that it takes 4 times as long to install this stuff. Not to mention the cost.

@diyhvacguy 8 ай бұрын

The primary reason I wanted it was for that long section that goes out to my back deck and garage. That would have been a royal pain to do in black pipe.

@HappyQuailsLC 8 ай бұрын

I never heard "ovular" before... guessing it means oval?

@diyhvacguy 8 ай бұрын

Yes

@above7833 8 ай бұрын

Code requires Gas lines be black pipe, ONLY ! NO Galvanized pipe or galvanized fittings should b used at all !

@anthonyhitchings1051 8 ай бұрын

your soapy solution for leak detecting is too thick

@MK-xl9tt 8 ай бұрын

Yeah you gotta ream it and ground it. That’s why you’re supposed to be certified to run the stuff. When it first came out we ran it like wildfire, now that I’m calling the shots we run all hard pipe. Was never a fan of it.

@1982nsu 7 ай бұрын

11:21 There's no sediment trap. Elbow needed to be a "tee" fitting. So much for the title of this video "You've Been Installing Home Flex Gas Pipe Wrong This Whole Time." Same mistake at 08:10