WINSPACE Hyper Rim Wheelset review. Rim brakes aren't dead.

[@Germericanium]

I had an issue with the cheaper Lun wheels where a mould split-line had not been filed down on the outer edge of one of the rim hooks. After around 1500km of riding on some GP5000s that sharp edge wore through the side of my rear tyre and then failed pretty catastrophically in the middle of the ride. Luckily it was just the rear wheel so it was easy to come to a stop. Got in touch with the Winspace rep. in the UK and got them fixed at no charge and sent back with a replacement tyre. Not entirely surprised to see that sort of defect on a relatively cheap carbon wheel, definitely not ideal and possibly scary if it had been the front wheel, but the customer service was really quick and responded well to it. edit - Also worth noting that the rep. said that they had never seen an issue like that before on their wheels but would look out for it on new wheels going out. So likely a 1-off issue.

[@DavidvdGulik]

Carbon rim brakes all the way for me; I'm sub 70kg, I live in The Netherlands i.e. flat rides in moderate weather. Excellent braking, After 18.000km I'm still on the original brake pads and they're still absolutely fine, they couple of times I do descend is when travel to hillier areas on holidays, I'm not going to do rainy descents on my holiday

[@ILOVEDEFENDINGTHE1PERCENT]

Enve actually supplies NTN bearings on both their alloy road hubs and the cheaper "foundation" hubs. The preload is done by a wave washer and a snap ring, only time will tell how well it works. Done about 2000 km, weather-proof and still runs smooth. Noticable drag when you twist them, likely from the contact seal. Also they have a link to a Hambini article on bearings on their webpage explaining why they don't use ceramic bearings. A step in the right direction.

[@PeakTorque]

Good to know

[@ILOVEDEFENDINGTHE1PERCENT]

@45 fottuto stronzo Why is that? I've used their product for years while enjoying hambini's content. Is there some beef I'm unaware of?

[@jaro6985]

So how much play does the wave washer introduce, can you feel it at all? Unless I misinterpret the design it seems like it must result in some, although it could be miniscule.

[@ILOVEDEFENDINGTHE1PERCENT]

@@jaro6985 I couldn't feel any play at all when applying lateral force with my hands and while riding. I can only assume the compression applied by the wave washer is quite well tuned, but that is just my experience. With all the stress, deformation and compression that occurs to any bike parts while riding, a tiny little play is unavoidable. But yeah like you said it's miniscule, likely won't even feel it while riding. Then again it's only 2000 km, I'll see how it holds up after 8000.

[@Cynyr]

the only other place i've run unto ceramic bearings, they were full ceramics on induction motors so that the bearing are not a current path for the shaft currents. The shaft currents can cause pitting in the races/balls if excessive when running the motors on VFDs.

[@TC-hl1ws]

The best reviews! Please continue with these types of reviews.

[@zzhughesd]

They’re not dead. We’re not allowing them to die.

[@thomaslutro5560]

Thank you my brother!

[@sloopjohnbable]

Given that you've been working with them, will the peak torque winspace wheels have blond highlights in the carbon weave?, maybe even as the part of the break track that gives it a texture so that breaking in the rain dosen't have to be booked in advance?

[@johanelkjr9865]

I have no big trouble breaking. The carbon weave has kind off changing colours, more brownish then blonde. Fantastic wheels, but don't buy them for the looks. Imop.

[@durianriders]

The grey stock pads they came with I rate the best.

[@SherazChoudhary]

Thanks, I appreciate these unbiased technical deep-dives! May pick up some Hypers to experiment with. FYI, I have made sure to torque everything up thanks to you.

[@global_nomad.]

got my hyper rim wheelset a couple of months ago...2 days after ending up in hospital after a driver took me out....wheels still sitting in their box waiting for a new bike and me to be ready to ride again.....

[@domestique3954]

Good recovery! 🤙🍀

[@global_nomad.]

@@domestique3954 cheers

[@CycoWarriorx]

What I enjoy the most about his review videos is how much engineering level detail he gets into - but simplifies it to make it easily understood…

[@FunMushizzle]

Thanks for this review, been strongly considering these.

[@FrankLeeNacty]

I really like your views on wheel building, personally I have laced and tensioned hundreds of wheels for customers and all of my personal wheels. You keep it realistic and about the numbers over looks.

[@stephent2243]

I've done about 5000kms on mine. Stiffness good for a 1500w sprinter, feel fast, no reliability issues at all. Braking ok in the dry, terrible in the wet (but no different to my 404's). I'm buying another set in disc for my next frameset, I like them.

[@SuperYobo]

Wich mm did u Get?

[@DoomNerd67200]

These wheels are crazy light. Glad some manufacturers are still caring about rim brakes.Also by the way, the new Hyper 23 SE has a textured surface, I don't know why the butterfly version doesn't have, but I hope braking isn't that bad.

[@ridetwe]

what an outstanding review..Honest, knowledgable, non biased, informative, arguments backed with substance What a refreshing change after reading B.sht mag reviews that use buz words to push hype with total bias ..reviews paid for by advertisers that ess. dont say anything.. unsubstantiated nonsense ...So good on ya mate..again..well done . Bit of a plug for myself.. I custom make all wheels for cust omers going from ultra light to the stiffest in the world, by a mile .. I offer the same rim in different weights, have 3 blade spoke models/guages good bearings bla bla so I can offer 20/24H wheels for 120kg+ riders that are as stiff as rocks ..and only about 180g heavier than the ultra light models... enjoy your riding folks dont spend too much time in front of the computer..a few watts dont matter when your getting an extra 50-100km' into your legs each week. :) TWE

[@WowRixter]

Looks like a really nice set of wheels. My concern is the proprietary nature of the hub/spoke combination. If something goes wrong I can't find matching spokes at my LBS. I'd prefer to stick with DT Swiss 240 and CX Ray combination

[@jbgill007]

Each set of Hypers come with spare sets of spokes.

[@happydays8171]

I understand ceramic bearings are ideal for fishing reels, skateboards, roller blades, and other high spinning applications as opposed to slow spinning bicycle hubs. Build I've had ceramic last longer than steel bearings

[@alexanderhardy971]

Not to be that guy but some brands do seem to be trying and should be commended for it. For example my cheapo superstar components wheels came with skf bearings and were only £150 (for the bad things I have heard about them they have been pretty decent wheels). My Borg hubs came with NTN as standard. I'm sure Hope use skf as well. The bottom bracket definitely had skf bearings in when I changed them.

[@mislevis]

I purchased 65mm rim brake wheels with your promo code few months ago. Very happy. Fast, stiff , responsive wheels with reasonable price tag..... exactly what i need.

[@craiganavi]

That's great to hear. How have you found the braking on the 65s rim?

[@mislevis]

@@craiganavi Braking is OK.

[@kendarcie6613]

The big risk is with carbon spoke failure IF a stick is flipped up into the spoke and rotates to the brakes/fork. This as happend to me many times with aluminum spokes. But with carbon, there have been reports of it shattering all the spokes causing catastrophic failure of the entire wheel=death.

[@drmrossing]

Noticed creaking/ticking noises in my rim brake hyper 38’s after a couple rides and it went away after tightening the quick releases a quarter-turn.

[@CharlesOuimet]

If it persists, take off the cassette core and regrease everything. the creaking will disappear :)

[@drmrossing]

@@CharlesOuimet thanks for the suggestion. The first thing I did when the wheels arrived last month was to pull off the free hub - there was a visible layer of grease on each pawl-more than the videos I saw if early purchasers of hyper wheels. It appears winspace has been listening. Yours was one of the videos that convinced me to buy these wheels. Merci!

[@avocette]

@@drmrossing if the time does come for you to regrease your hubs (for maintenance maybe), avoid greasing the interface between the endcaps and the dropouts (as PT mentioned).

[@love2wheels748]

Hope were honest they stopped selling ceramic bearings after testing against good quality stainless, and basically said they don't give hardly any advantage until over 25K rpm 😂 and cost Vs gain goes against their standards.

[@PeakTorque]

Sounds about right.

[@brandonb6164]

Man if you ain’t hitting 25k rpm at the wheel you ain’t riding

[@glennoc8585]

@@brandonb6164 can't be said about the bottom bracket.

[@brianplummer2084]

Hi, Thanks for the effort!! Looking @11:48 I see that you are using MTB rotors on your Road Bike wheels. I believe you have an RT-MT900 on that wheel. I saw many of the same at this years TDF. In a sentence or two, what do you believe is the benefit? Thanks!

[@rickmancini772]

Great review, thanks! It would be great to see your review of the Winspace frame

[@johncoates6039]

I got a carbon fiber sliver off of one of my spokes! Be careful cleaning! F**king hurt!

[@johncoates6039]

I got a set of the rim brake 50s a month a go….there are sooooo nice! I’ve had 3 other carbon wheel set from big manufacturers and these are an absolute steal. I agree that I’d like really good steel bearings over the hybrid ceramics these come with and they should have all aluminum skewers….I’m using dura ace skewers with mine. Can Nichols did a video that his hyper 50s creaked and greasing the pawls got rid of the creaking…peak torque is the most informative KZbin cycling “dude”!!!

[@charliecroker7005]

As soon as I see a small specialist company experimenting with details like the freewheel ratchet, I suspect they are overestimating their abilities. I had an A2Z wheel, with ratchet failure. It looked as if they had specified the wrong springs, and the springs were over-stressed as a result. The repair kits were expensive, when they were available, but they were not, because the hub had been out of production for too long. The crux of the matter is that that hub was nearly new- relatively. It was still on its first rim. Shimano freewheels last 10x as long. Shimano probably has 10x as many engineers working on freewheel design, as these boutique brands have on the whole wheel. Those one-man bands are servicing one big arrogant delusion, if they think they can out-engineer a firm that sells a million freewheels a week, which cannot afford to make schoolboy errors.

[@jean-paulchaudron3104]

Thanks so much for your videos. Just ordered a pair of 50mm Hypers after seeing your review. I trust an engineer over any marketing department!!!

[@massaka17]

Have you received them? How long was the shipping?

[@jean-paulchaudron3104]

@@massaka17 3 weeks to Australia

[@DanTuber]

@@jean-paulchaudron3104 Did you have to pay import duties? DHL shipping?

[@jean-paulchaudron3104]

@@DanTuber Nope. Just got delivered straight to my door.

[@jean-paulchaudron3104]

@@DanTuber None. But that could be different from country to country

[@reginaldscot165]

2:50 I might not be a genius but I would think a lighter wheel would "spin up" faster than a heavier one. I don't see that descriptive phrase being inappropriate for a wheel review? It's quite logical really, if something has more mass it's going to take more input to get it moving.

[@incognitoyoutubename1828]

He says that carbon wheels have low inertia and it is all on the outside. Yes a lighter wheel would spin up faster(proportional to how much lighter it is), but given that differences in rim weight between high end carbon wheels are relatively low (10%) in practice no one can tell the difference. Because it is rotating weight this only matters when accelerating(only a couple of seconds). Spinning up might only matter if you’re a pro sprinter but even then I would argue because it is rotating weight what you gain when kicking with a lighter wheel you mostly lose at the end of the sprint when trying to maintain top speed.

[@shibaburn7725]

It's not that lighter wheels don't spin up faster in isolation, but the energy required to do it is negligible compared to that of accelerating the bike with the rider. A toddler can spin a wheel up to speed with a flick of their hand.

[@Stealthwealth1001]

I’ll take cup and cone over ceramic any day. If it’s good enough for Shimano it’s good enough for me. My old dura ace wheels and bb spin for days!

[@eto2352]

Have you seen RCA/Cam's winspace reviews? He thought he had spoke rubbing, even tried to tie together the spokes or something... it all turned out to be needing some grease in the freehub, or too much grease, can't remember. In any case, spread over several videos, it is very misleading for anyone who only watches one of those videos. Intentional or not, reviews of products can be horribly misleading- for the good or bad. I appreciate your full disclosure and trying to explain everything, while keeping it interesting. Thank you!

[@durianriders]

disc hubs get a lot hotter because of the high road speeds and small rotors which literally drys out the grease faster. If you use disc road then make sure you have enough grease in your hubs.

[@jimmyp7638]

Both reviews were great. Have had my 50’s for a couple months and have had only one problem. I’m running tubeless as I have for Several years and find that the front wheel burps dropping off a curb or hitting sharp bumps. Have never had this with road tubeless before. Could it be a rim flaw? Running around 80psi when it happens. Have started running higher pressure to avoid it.

[@markrossell8685]

Hi! 1. The rim sidewall look really flat, so that would make this wheel (in a 50 or 65) set a bit unstable in crosswinds as is reported by a few owners who are comparing winspace 50's to Zipp 404s? your thoughts please! 2. some people are also complaining of spokes twisting. did you experience anything like that? lastly; a you tube channel "rider 818" complained of the wheels not rolling well but i think he wasn't putting enough tension into the QR using those cheep carbon tune copy QuickRelease things. Have you found these wheels to hold speed and roll well? thanks great channel! 🙂 👍

[@morganfischer3483]

Great video as always.👍 Any news or info regarding the new rear hub Winspace has developed and how it differs to the original, apparently it's much quieter as well? Any info is appreciated. Keep up the great vids!

[@TheCharnwoodCyclist]

Great video 👍 Interestingly my Prime Black edition wheels came with NSK bearings as standard, problem was after 6 months and 1000 miles the front was rough and the two in the freehub were shot. Cost me £65 to replace them, Prime / Wiggle don’t want to know and quoted a 3 month warranty on the bearings 😮

[@Rose.Of.Hizaki]

Shocking. If that was me, I would have filed a claim in small claims court against them because I purchased a *WHEELSET* and not a set of *WHEEL BEARINGS* and a wheel with wrecked bearings is defective and isnt fit for purpose or its intended use and Wiggle should deal with it otherwise they are infringing upon the sale of goods act. I would call them, speak to supervisors, managers. contact them via social media, Email them, call them up on the phone give them multiple chances to correct the issue and if they arent willing to play ball - Just let them know you intend to file a claim against them. Its a lot of faff yes - but even if you paid £80 for a wheelset (I know the Prime wheels are £500-600'ish) Thats a fair chunk of money for them to slam the door in your face after your over and I honestly would go after them for that and extra cash as compensation for the time out of my day spent dealing with them when it should have been a simple fix. Its akin to bullying them. But you shouldnt have to bully them to sort something out that should be covered by their warranty.

[@Rob-fx5yn]

Scope Wheels comes with SKF bearings, ceramicspeed is an option

[@PeakTorque]

good to know!

[@beneluxxx]

@@PeakTorque same with ursus wheels

[@ottokovacs2045]

@@beneluxxx + Edco

[@craiganavi]

Thanks for the informative in depth review! In the future for whatever reason would it be possible to rebuild these with alternative hubs and steel spokes or would the rim only be compatible with Winspace/Lun products? Thanks!

[@khalidmajthoub]

Would love to know the answer

[@thomasjohnson5681]

I also would like to know the answer to this question.

[@craiganavi]

I have since the comment purchased the 65mm rim brake version of the wheels. Absolutely love them. But yes I still don't have an answer to the question.

[@antonhoogendoorn3411]

Thanks for the review, very informative. Did you have the opportunity to look into the Hyper rim brake version with the Campagnolo free hub and axle design? Would be interesting as the axle is of a different design and wonder if this affects the overall functionality.

[@mellis4726]

Have been riding the 50mm rim brake version of these for a month now. They're quite a bit stiffer than the Zipp and Reynolds wheels I'd previously used. Lots of PRs a my well worn circuit. Dry braking is fine. (have disks on my rain bike) GP5000 tire mounting was brutal, so am not looking forward to roadside repairs. Would be interested in hearing experiences with other tires.

[@uGarbageMan]

not exactly experience with these wheels but I have 65mm disc Hunts and getting the GP5000s on and off was almost next to impossible. After a 45 min roadside flat fix I ditched the Contis and got Pirelli P Zeros 25mm (non tubeless). They went on out of the box (!) without any tools, so a massive difference and something that may be worth a try for you. Oh and the Pirellis also seem to be a bit smoother on the same tyre pressure, which may have to do something with them having a less stiff sidewall than the Contis

[@faosa73]

it's all about the technique seriously. I am using conti 5000 on these wheels and once I learned the proper technique I can change tires without the leavers. Watch this video and thank me later kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2WTpKNmq5t6qNE

[@arnaudseynaeve9266]

Like you. I switched to Pirelli zero, easier to install but after several punctures, I went back to 5000. The technique consists mainly of bringing the tire to the center of the rim during assembly

[@tommyfreckmann6857]

I had the same experience. Absolutely awful! Popped 3 tubes on the road side.

[@dickieblench5001]

Contis are notoriously tight

[@glennoc8585]

I've found other Chinese built wheelsets have a feeling of minimal deflection. I should get a dial and do a measure. Are you concerned about galvanic corrosion at the spoke to alloy fits? I live in a hilly hot place in summer and I had carbon rims gets so hot once I burnt my finger touching the surface at bottom of the hill. You could smell the epoxy very strongly. I went disc and only ride rim brakes on a commuter with alloy rims. The Shimano cassettes are part of the problem as they do dig in I've found more than SRAM. I've done up to 40 too.

[@fnm441]

Bought my 50mm disc hypers earlier this year because of your review and Hambini's. Your no-holds in depth reviews from an engineering perspective are really refreshing and certainly gave me confidence in the product. Will be buying the 38mm rim brake hypers as well👍. Would be interested to hear your thoughts on Winspaces Lun second tier wheels and their framesets at a future date.

[@SuperYobo]

Why did u decide to buy the 38 mm rim instead of 50mm? How are them?

[@fnm441]

@@SuperYobo I was building a rim brake bike (size large) to get below the UCI weight limit of 6.8kg, just managed it at 6.7kg with the help of some other choice components. The 38mm rim Hyper wheelset weighs 1,267g.

[@fnm441]

@@SuperYobo Depends where you ride, if mostly flat then the 50mm but if you like climbing then the 38mm.

[@murphyhui9690]

I see you have the wheel on TCR.. I've a TCR disc 2021 but the shape looks incompatible on winspace's website...

[@stevenleffanue]

If the carbon spokes have fixed ends(nipples) how to true the wheel if required?

[@gauthamramesh4885]

Only the hub side ends are fixed. The rim side is a similar nipple and threaded end type arrangement.

[@sbccbc7471]

Truing a Winspace HYPER wheel is the same as truing any wheel with internal nipples (ENVE, DT Swiss, etc.): True from the rim bed with the tire and rim tape removed with an internal nipple wrench and hold the spoke's base with a regular spoke wrench.

[@latsots]

waiting on some berd synthetic spokes in mail to build new set...wonder how synthetic spokes would fare in stiffness against these carbon or sapims even...

[@kubagajda7347]

Mavic has NTN bearings fitted as standard (atleast my Ksyriums SL's do have them) and they spin like mad.

[@kikal85]

Hi. Thanks for this detailled review, it made me buy these wheels. Been riding them for 5.000 kms now and very happy with them. The only issue that I find is that pulling off the tyres is quite hard (much harder than with my previous wheel sets). I use GP5000s. Any tip here? thanks!

[@arnaudseynaeve9266]

Like you. I switched to Pirelli zero, easier to install but after several punctures, I went back to 5000. The technique consists mainly of bringing the tire to the center of the rim during assembly

[@kikal85]

@@arnaudseynaeve9266 thanks for the tip Arnaud. I realised this after a few punctures ...

[@bruceperry1408]

Loud snapping noises on initial inflation. NOT likely tire bead or tube. Can't find any reports of this. Also some discoloration (slight) our from spoke entrance.

[@u24]

I've read other people say that the Hyper's carbon spokes shape may be detrimental to the aerodynamics of the wheel since the carbon spokes are bigger (thicker?) than the normal steel spokes from other carbon wheel manufacturers? Especially when going at higher speeds (50km/h and above?) according to them. I have no idea how correct those statement are, any thoughts?

[@PeakTorque]

No idea unfortunately. Aero testing of wheels is a poisoned chalice!

[@thomaslutro5560]

Thanks! Have to say they look very promising.

[@techyaddict]

Which one is the best among Light Bicycle, Yoeleo or Winspace?

[@regg82ooo]

Such a great review! Do you have any experience with CX Ray Super? I don’t know why Sapim doesn’t have any info on these spokes in their website… wondering if these are discontinued.

[@cbb3062]

Can I use an after market quick realse on these wheel, some nice aluminum ones

[@orthooffice7560]

carbon-ti hubs has SKF bearing

[@ThePaulKat]

Yes and top spec ones at that. X-Hub sl are superb hubs and the noise off the titanium ratcheted freehub is biblical. I made the mistake of backing off to freewheel past a rider on horseback and it wasn’t best pleased nor was the pilot as she nearly went airborne. Lesson learned I now tickle the pedals as I pass.

[@PeakTorque]

Good to know. Expensive hubs eh!

[@ThePaulKat]

@@PeakTorque the machining is exquisite, every possible excess gram has been removed and beautifully finished. The ratchet is however the polar opposite to my Zipp NSW cognition freehub noise. I have paired my hubs with the Carbon Ti semi-floating discs. I would be interested in your thoughts on the carbon carrier, I have been impressed so far with the rotors suffering no heat induced rub.

[@jiechng110]

Hi mate, you used to have a video where you build a new set of carbon wheels using bites hubs. Cant seem to find it anymore. Just wondering if you might sharing choice of huds you used?

[@michaelnrg11]

Just a quick question Do you know what width you must have at chainstays and fork so these wheels can be working without rubbing? My bikes max tyre clearance is 25mm

[@TheJcjuice]

great vid! what are your thoughts on these vs the Giant SLR1 which comes stock on my Advance Pro 1 SL?

[@lattiure]

Any plans on reviewing the Lún wheelset?

[@Devoimprov]

Given the option between the hypers(50) and the Light Bicycles(56) laced to a 350. What would you choose?

[@pj9375]

Are these a worthwhile upgrade over giant slr1 ? I have the 2021 tcr and these came on stock but was considering some deeper wheels for when conditions allow.

[@MrStouthearted]

What is the Nipple size? any recommended spoke tools to retrue these wheels, it becomes untrue very fast, most annoying thing to me so far, specially the front wheel.

[@fingerboard1102]

Have you travelled to the peak or climbed the Tai Mo Shan with the hypers? How do the braking fare on the way downhill? Just ordered a set with ur code :)

[@cliffcox7643]

I wish a company would make carbon fiber straight and J bend spokes.. You up to start that company or idea in China Peak Torque.?? I think a lot of racers would want to replace their spokes as well as weight weenies.

[@elvisderblasehase9522]

One spoke of my rearwheel came loose on the nondrive side after 3 weeks. Winspace hyper 50 rim

[@thomaslutro5560]

One of the most common issue with wheels, unfortunately. All caused by the lower NDS tension not giving enough friction. I don't see anything in the design of the Winspace that would make them more prone to this than others. Qiute the contrary, in fact. The two DS spokes per NDS spoke gives a better tension balance left to right, and should make them more stable in this respect (like for example Campagnolo/Fulcrum).

[@PeakTorque]

As Thomas mentioned. Many wheels suffer from very low NDS tension due to the design of modern 11sp hubs (meaning the DS spokes are a lot straighter thus have a much higher tension for the same lateral force component). The NDS has a wider bracing angle, so needs a much lower spoke tension to center the wheel. With the carbon spokes this problem is compounded by very little inherent stretch in the spoke (vs a thin steel one) so they are more prone to coming loose. I believe winspace have recently modified the head of the spoke and nipple to prevent turning and increase the face friction, but you'd need to ask them to clarify.

[@thomaslutro5560]

@@PeakTorque Thanks! Didn't know that last little detail about lower elasticity making the problem worse. I'll keep that in mind as an excuse for getting Lazers, Revolutions, Aerolites or CX-Rays next time. :D

[@elvisderblasehase9522]

Thanks

[@Owlery]

Thanks for the detailed review! What do you feel about hooked v.s. hookless clincher rims? From what I gather, it is possible to use metal moulds instead of inflatable bladders for hookless rims which improves tolerances and reduces defect rates. Is that true?

[@durianriders]

hookless is great...until the tire blows off the rim at speed and you crash.

[@antoniop1968]

CeramicSpeed has poisoned cycling. I agree wholeheartedly.

[@ttmallard]

In the PacNW rains Rim brakes wipe the metal off aluminum rims if not hardened, if so those don't stop well in rain, they're grippy when they work and cause skids, so Rim brakes are fine dry here, the rest of us use disc brakes now, why change? Ymmv.

[@LoscoeLad]

would it be possible to swap their ceramic bearings for high quality steel, once they are worn out?

[@NeonGrayEdits]

I too would like to know the answer to this? And what kind log lifespan are we talking about w/ the ceramics?

[@sbccbc7471]

Completely possible. For steel choices, you won't go wrong with NTN non-contact.

[@sbccbc7471]

@@NeonGrayEdits The S&S hybrid ceramic bearings in the wheelset last between 4,000 - 5,000 km before the races go rough.

[@Toscanto]

Me concernant avec ces roues neuves 3 sorties et apparition de fissures plus rayons carbone brisés sans prendre de coups d'ailleurs le Fournisseur m'a remboursé.......et je vais sûrement prendre des DT SUISS....OU MAVIC ,SLR Sûrement plus onéreuses mais valeurs sur

[@marcbryant8482]

Hi, I have a tech question about my hyper 50mm rim wheels. I'm trying to replace the bearings but discovered the size in the freehub is a custom instead of the standard 6803 advertised. This is because my rear axle is 17mm in the centre but tapers to 15mm in the freehub which needs a bearing 15x26x5, whereas the 6803 is 17x26x5. My freehub is labelled SMN 11s v2. So what's going on? The bearings I have are thicker outer race to fit the 26mm yet they have a seal labelled 6802 which is 15x24x5. Very confusing, the bearing shop said when companies make custom bearings they often use standard seals, hence the wrong label. Winspace just sends me engineering cad drawings of the hub which clearly states 6803. I should add that I've watched Hambini's vid and he says 6803 as well but doesn't mention anything about the axle size other than 17mm. So do I have a v2 axle with a v2 freehub? Any hints would be helpful, thanks

[@NeonGrayEdits]

Did you end up figuring this out?

[@marcbryant8482]

@@NeonGrayEdits yes Winspace were awesome. Turned out my wheels had an older campag axle and custom bearings fitted to make it work with Shimano freehub because there used to be a slight difference. They sent me a new entire hub and I swapped out the axle, bearings and end caps. Works fine

[@sanderscholtens391]

Carbon - Ti supply skf bearings in their (very nice) hubs.

[@ilja2947]

Do you have any advice whether to get the 50mm (1455g) or 65mm(1608g) version of these Hyper (disc) wheels? It's super flat where I live. Right now I'm riding Roval CL50 wheels (1515g, 29.4mm external width), which compared to the non-aero wheels I was riding before feel a little bit sluggish when accelerating. Unfortunately Hambini only has data for the 50 mm version of the Hyper wheels, so I'm unsure if the aero-dynamic advantage of the 65mm is worth the small weight penalty. Or would any aerodynamic or accelerating improvements be so small, that I should rather keep riding the Rovals?

[@AdventurismPk]

Hi, I’m standing at the same question. Did you find the answer for yourself?

[@ilja2947]

@@AdventurismPk There is a review of the 65mm Hyper wheels on the Hambini KZbin channel. He suggests to go with the 50mm, because the minor aero gains of the 65mm set are not worth the slower acceleration and increased wind impact.

[@AdventurismPk]

@@ilja2947 Yes I’ve watched that video. Going for 50. Thanks

[@Ossipvdvegte]

Hi Peak, how is your project for your own disc rotors going? i am intrestedd Greets Ossip

[@santiagobenites]

Sorry that I'm a little off topic here. I'm currently building myself a set of 50mm carbon clincher rim brake wheels, and I've decided to go with radial NDS/2X DS spoke lacing on the rear wheel (24 spokes). I'm just at the spoke tensioning phase, and I'm a little worried as the spoke tension is so massively different between the DS and NDS. I'm at maximum tension on the DS, and barely at minimum tension on the NDS, and I'm starting to think that I should just re-lace the NDS to 2X because the tension feels so low. Should I be as worried as I am about this? Thanks, and I really love your channel!

[@jaro6985]

Give some numbers. If you have 130kg on DS, its normal to have 60-70% of that on NDS. Do you have a spoke tension meter? Used spokecalc or dt calc?

[@andrek1831]

how about heat stress after long descend? does the wheel handle the heat good enough?

[@johanelkjr9865]

I'm the happy owner of a pair of winspace hyper 50 rim brake. After several days of riding in heavy rain that creaking started. I removed the cassette body. The pawls (is that the name of those 6 or more things?) Dry like and old bone. I greased them and it went away. But I have a question: the big ring that goes between the hub and the casette body has different sides. What way is correct? Johan

[@moxerl]

Hambini has a video where he takes the freehub apart, perhaps that might help you: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJWrmZmZisSqo9k

[@johanelkjr9865]

Yes. I saw it. Didn't really have attention to that ring thou. Winspace send me an exploded instruction. Nice service.

[@jaggedsphere]

Hey you guys ever notice that PT is handsoming pretty hard up there?!

[@Kcouture0827]

Looks like you tested these wheels on a TCR (2016-2020 model?). how was the clearance with the 28mm tires? I’m surprised you got them to fit. Do you think a 25mm would be better? I’m thinking about getting a pair for my 2017 TCR but I’m worried about clearance.

[@PeakTorque]

Clearance fine with a gp5000 28mm. Anything bigger you might struggle through the forks

[@faosa73]

I followed Peak torque advice on using 28, the difference in comfort from the 25 is really significant.

[@cliffcox7643]

Why do you prefer the Sapim over the DT spokes?

[@zhiminglaw8695]

Able to review wheelangel from singapore??

[@carlosvf11]

Hi!! You only use inner tubes in your wheelsets?? Why don't you use tubeless as it's supposed to have better rolling resistance?

[@PeakTorque]

Tubeless road is shit. Doesn't seal. Pressure and tyre tension too high.

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

Very interesting and informative video. Thanks

[@lerrjlee9347]

22:22 I think you mean "peak torque" right?

[@stibra101]

Why no tubular rim brake wheels?

[@larisonjohnson]

Love the details and education! Thanks for great content! Take your sprint power 1200 to 1500 watts…😂😂😂 If that’s what it takes, no problems here!

[@alyuventures]

Hey can you re upload somewhere men's TTT Olympics analysis? It was blocked by KZbin

[@PeakTorque]

It should be released now. Disputed the claim.

[@KushPizzaSleep]

5 years on Light Bicycle Rim Brakes, Raced, Crashed, Massive Descents, No Issues Ever

[@luketoms6110]

Odd that no-one has mentioned anything about cross wind's as I find mine very unstable in cross wind's. Have you experienced any issues in windy conditions due to the low weight.

[@ProWeAreSo]

That's always the case with deeper rims

[@tomrachellesfirstdance7843]

Did you get a bit of brake pad rub when really pushing it out the saddle? Good video as always trace Velo had similar style of spoke on his farsports as well looks a really good idea

[@tonyg3091]

I hear some strange creaking noises when pushing hard out of the saddle but it does not sound like pad rubbing, wonder what it might be...

[@tonyg3091]

Do you hear any strange noises from the from wheel when you get out of saddle and sprint? I have the disc version of these, like them a lot but can't understand what causes that noise from the front when I am pushing hard on the handlebars.

[@adccars359]

Try to tighten up your quick release.

[@tonyg3091]

@@adccars359 I do not have QR, it is a thru axle.

[@nimbuscycles2354]

Could it be the disc rotor rubbing the pads?

[@tonyg3091]

@@nimbuscycles2354 Sound is different-creaking not rubbing, that’s why I am wondering

[@einarhays]

Check out cam nicholls channel, he have a video about fixing the creaking noise

[@ollieoxley7382]

So are these just the Hunt 50 UD rim brake wheels under a different name, or are the Winspaces high quality replicas/copies of the Hunt wheels?

[@YoureSoVane]

It's guaranteed that they source their spokes from the same company, but I'm sure the Hunt rims are a different company entirely.

[@ollieoxley7382]

@@YoureSoVane nice one cheers pal, are these the same spokes Cadex use as well?

[@Jkl158]

Ironically, these were on the market earlier than the Hunts own butterfly weave if I remember correctly

[@bodieh1261]

I've heard the opposite actually(I.e. hunt 50's are basically rebadged winspace 50's), but I'm not giving it too much weight cos they were just random comments I encountered on forums while researching the hypers before I bought them a month ago.

[@pocopoco2347]

are you back from HK?

[@HojinSon]

Is there any risk with tightening up the QR really tight on carbon frames? I.e. possibility of damaging the bike frame?

[@domestique3954]

Yes!

[@stevenanderson2285]

Had carbon frames a few years now and no problems at all just be sensible and you should not have to worry .

[@shibaburn7725]

Are the dropouts aluminum? Many carbon fiber bikes have aluminum dropouts, and it's not an issue with those bikes. If the dropouts are carbon fiber, the answer is "it depends". If the bike was constructed with quality resin, and the faces of the QR don't have any nasty ridges, it should be okay. A good epoxy resin should have a compressive strength of around 120 MPa. The max clamping force you can generate with a QR is around 4,000 N. If you assume the surface area of the QR face is 25 mm2, that would be 80 MPa. That's not much of a safety factor though. I would advise sticking with the manufacturer's quick releases, and inspecting the dropout area every time you remove the wheels.

[@spartanbike2260]

Peak Torque , can you ask WINSPACE if they will have a microspline freehub body for sale next year to work with rumored 12 speed dura ace cassette

[@PeakTorque]

Im almost certain they will but will try and find out.

[@kerthvalrie]

Hi what brake pads are you using?

[@李忠翰-o5o]

HI~ I'm from Taiwan, a new audience. I recently discovered this channel, it's really great! But my English is not good, I can only watch the subtitle translation. The previous video has subtitles, it would be great if this video also has subtitles :-)

[@PeakTorque]

Hi! Thanks for subscribing. The previous video had subtitles because the audio quality was so low. It takes many many hours to write, edit, and time manual subtitles. And in this video there was just too much speaking! But I wilñ consider it in future. Thanks

[@李忠翰-o5o]

@@PeakTorque Thank you, it is very helpful to me ^^

[@cyclingsfatsuma9808]

@@PeakTorque can't you enable auto subtitles? Or do you have to pay for that service? I watch vids with them all the time due to bad hearing. They are pretty accurate with varying levels of hilarity over regional accents

[@PeakTorque]

@@cyclingsfatsuma9808 just click on the CC button

[@cyclingsfatsuma9808]

@@PeakTorque ok I assumed because of the other guy's comments they were not enabled (not every vid has them for some reason). I should have checked... You do good work . Even though it's for people at performance levels way above mine, I still have 'oh so that's why that happens...' moments. 👍

[@ow3x3xpr3ss]

No one says anything about the breaking efficency of these wheels (rim breaking ) ,which is absolutely amazing at least on dry weather. Still waiting to rain ... :)) .I'm using crok break pads

[@loc9588]

2:51 I'm glad you said that

[@lilth501]

I received my wheels a couple of days ago and I noticed the two small pin holes on each Rim That's unusual?

[@PeakTorque]

Water drainage. Normal.

[@lilth501]

@@PeakTorque thanks I've never seen it on any of my other carbon wheels

[@Kansloos]

@@lilth501 I got these drainage ports aswell on my Giant slr1 2021 wheelset. All fine.

[@benhur5826]

All i need are rim break tubulars.