The Orchard Music Scam

[@DanteGebelOficial]

The Orchard Music is claiming that they own the new introduction to our videos. The basis for their claim, is that they claim they are the copyright holder to the music, bearing an adulterated name of one of our videos that has the music in it. The stolen video was downloaded from our channel, and reposted with our title, with three symbols in front of it. We filed a DMCA takedown demand against the video, and it has been removed... but the Orchard's copyright claim persists.WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN JOINING A CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT AGAINST THE ORCHARD? Let me know.

[@jothegeekgamingb487]

Like if you have videos that were claimed or are still claimed by The Orchard Music!

[@beaverslayer661]

JoTheGeekGAMING B I have a band called surgeon general's warning and they said we are signed under orchard enterprises and we are not. Not sure what to do with this info yet.

[@WanderingSoleTV]

I don't understand why KZbin allows Orchard to steal music over and over, year after year.

[@Hexapoda.Resident]

+Wandering Sole Images KZbin are not made for the content creators but to make money, they get more income to show advertizing in videos that copyright trolls claims the right to than support and protect free content, so in other words are KZbin the largest copyright troll in the world (according to me).

[@1HarryH]

+Wandering Sole Images AD money

[@gabby20]

+Wandering Sole Images me either , but I think Orchard is paying money to Google and you tube. It's the only way I can think of,

[@ShermX69X]

+Wandering Sole Images Kick-backs

[@Ourmusicbox]

I've just got a claim on a track I produced 8 years back. I OWN the track. I know it isn't a dream because i spend some good hours on it plus I got paid for working on it. Now they are claiming it. Unreal. I am wondering what sort of justice these people will get for stealing. 456 people on this one page have said something and KZbin isn't listening. I applied to be in the content ID (not to monetize but to manage my music rights so no one can claim it but no one has gotten back to me in for over 3 years now and I have 5000 tracks). But a thief is allowed to apply for content ID and make claim on works belonging to others. What gives?

[@INMARtv]

I got a claim from then on Mantili Kalamatiano that song is clearly public domain.

[@farfromsubtle]

Thank you for posting this video. It is a thorough and informative demonstration of Orchard Music's flagrant abuse of the Content ID system that continues today.

[@MysticPajamas]

Frash is Dat you

[@mw-shadows]

I am here because of the Orchard Music Group scam.

[@BillyBogart]

I've had numerous encounters with them. Where is their channel? Anyone want to file some copyright claims against them with me?

[@NickNeblo]

Someone stole one of my tracks, released it through The Orchard, they accepted it, didn't even check and came to claim copyright. the track in question was deposited SIAE and ASCAP, they never answered, they had to remove the claim after a month but they are not willing to remove the track from their catalogue.

[@AmiYamato]

I've had Orchard claim the music _three_ separate times on the *same* video! I have won the dispute twice before, and I am in the middle of trying to dispute the third claim. I have paid for a licence and have full permission to use the music so I can monetize my video. However during all the time the dispute is going on, monetization is put on hold, so I am losing money. Money I was hoping would offset the cost of the music licence I paid for in the first place. I do have to deal with this one carefully as I am at the stage where if they refuse my solid evidence (which they have done before!), KZbin states there is a possibility of the video being taken down. I partially blame KZbin for not properly looking at the evidence I previously sent showing that I have full rights to use the music. The claims process does not offer many options, and as you all know, there is zero official support for a small channel. Thanks for the info in your video, I will try to contact Orchard directly this time.

[@Theophilus200]

Yes, and moreover, since Orchard have the 'right' to place ads on videos in which they claim to own music, they must be making money off your video and someone else's music at the same time as you are losing money! Even if you eventually manage to block them, they will probably have made a good few cents off your video in the meantime. Therein lies the root of the scam.

[@AaronRift]

The Orchard put a claim on a video of my cats simply MEOWING with no other sounds! Turns out some DJ sampled the meowing from my video without my permission!

[@DjBloor]

They just tried to steal my original mix I made on my own on FL Studio 10, called Star Call, can't believe it. I am so mad right now.

[@FrederickDunn]

It's ironic that over the weekend, we have been discussing (with FCC Attorney friends) how companies can file automated claims against various sound tracks on KZbin. There are honest companies out there, such as SmartSound and TripleScoop... we pay them, for royalty free music. Yet, the claims from companies such as Ioda, Orchard Music and others automatically lock down KZbin videos and prevent them from monetizing for various periods. The system is broken apparently. We are tied up in appeal processes, while profits are lost. My suggestion is, that these many Royalty Free Music Groups, get together and have a method of identifying who is and who is not authorized to use which music. If you can send out crawlers to find and tie up videos, you can certainly have a system that informs on legally shared music. Always ALWAYS dispute their claim, when you are in the right, don't abandon the video... keep pressing on.

[@DumbSnowman]

Orchard Music did put a copyright notice on my last video, but the song is actually owned by them. They, for some odd reason, did not delete the video, the video is still up, it's just blocked in a select few countries. Why didn't they take my video down if it actually was owned by them?

[@RealHomeRecording]

ChristianTheSnowman Because they make money off KZbin ad revenue if it's kept online.

[@doubleahitmusic]

ChristianTheSnowman Because the artist who actually owns the copyright is being represented by them. The Orchard Music Group is collecting royalties for them by telling KZbin to place ads on the video. Your uploaded video using the artist's music is known as "UGC" or User-Generated Content.

[@DumbSnowman]

***** well...

[@huandoanngoc579]

+ChristianTheSnowman same as me

[@PunguinYoga]

+ChristianTheSnowman They leave it up so they can monetize your work. The more who see your video, the more money they make from the ads.

[@lunavision33]

Yeah this is totally f*ed up! I have been uploading MY ORIGINAL MUSIC that I CREATED (and copyrighted), and every time I upload it, KZbin says someone else has the copyright to MY music. The first two videos I think will clear up, because I have those songs with CD Baby. I'm pretty confident those will get cleared up. But today I uploaded ORIGINAL MUSIC that is...wait for it...UNRELEASED, and The Orchard Music has claimed they own the copyright to it. This is ridiculous because the music is UNRELEASED, there is no way this original music of mine has ever seen the internet until now. Ridiculous, I am so angry right now. I filed a dispute with KZbin for each of these instances. Probably will take awhile to find out what happens.

[@lunavision33]

I wrote them yesterday - disputes @ theorchard . com and they removed their copyright claim on my music at the end of the day yesterday. They were very polite and professional about removing their claim on my music. I guess it still takes humans to oversee the robots.

[@PedalingPrince]

They may have been polite because they don't want you looking further into their history: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmPZoZ59m6ikj5Y

[@estefanyarango1785]

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[@DouglasWalterSalvador]

Michael Maricle Really? Because once I realized it was they who released the content for the guy with whom I have a trademark issue, I originally contacted them. No human or robot ever got back to me. BTW that's awful! Did they give you a reason? I guess I better prepare in case that ridiculousness happens to me. Glad you got it taken care of so quickly. Rock on man!

[@AirsoftNinja117]

yep i just got the same for posting a video with sabaton's winged hussars. but event then im not making money or anything THE VIDEO I POSTED DOSNT EVEN HAVE A VIEW!!!

[@AdoreHerBeauty]

This has recently happened to me. I used a free instrumental under CC and received notification from YT that "The Orchard Music" has claimed ownership of the music when it is in free and owned by the company who's site I downloaded the music from.

[@WahanaRecords]

i've just received below email from youtube, i'm not really sure the millenium people still do this... Hi Wahana Records, After reviewing your dispute, The Orchard Music has decided that their copyright claim is still valid. Video title: Sihutur Sanggul (Uninguningan Batak) Copyrighted song: Sihutur Sanggul Claimed by: The Orchard Music here is the video Orchard Music claiming. Sihutur Sanggul (Uninguningan Batak) this is totally traditional music from the other part of world.

[@winko567]

I hate the orchard music group! they had the nerve to put a copyright claim on my slender man video. i am angry. i left them a heated message on the phone.

[@Montanacellist]

They just laid claim on my "10 hours of sad cello." These guys are ridiculous.

[@karenvargas9068]

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[@enquvist]

I have a copyright claim by Orchard Music for a song called "Amanda" on my video - but I have no idea which track it is they're talking about as I have no song called Amanda in the my video?? It must be a song that sounds similar in melody maybe?

[@docolemnsx]

I've not even seen the video yet, but it's already been helpful! Thanks a lot for uploading it, and mostly for the description! First thing I've seen was the description, and then I went straight to mailing them. The problem in my case is that I have used music composed by Giusseppe Verdi in the late 1800s, that should be public domain since 1971. While they didn't claim the copyright on his behalf, they did find a band, Antropomorphia, that used several seconds of the same part of his music in an intro to one of their albums, and claimed the copyright on behalf of their record house. Even more, I've used the entire Tuba Mirum from Verdi's Requiem, unlike the band they called the claim for, who only used a lazy 30-40 seconds of it! Well I'm not here to criticize the band or anything, and I might even check out their music, since I'm pretty fond of black metal, but the point is that both the band and myself have used public domain music, and that scumbag algorithm they use has flagged me - just my luck, huh. Now I'm waiting for the results of my dispute, it's due on 31st of Decemer. Now I'll be off to watch your video, see what you had to say about this :) Take care o7

[@StirlingBuilder]

They fixed it! The Orchard Music granted my appeal and removed their hold on my video. A second simultaneous hold was filed by BFM Digital. They tried to escalate the issue on KZbin but immediately released their claim when I emailed them and then called them on the phone today. BFM threatened to place a strike against my account if I lost the second appeal. They were much more polite on the phone.

[@MrRJDB1969]

What don't The Orchard Music Group own the rights to ? I've never heard of them before, but now they seem to be everywhere and own the copyrights to everything.

[@JadeAnnabelArt]

I use NCS (No copyright sounds) and one track, 'Lumian - Fly' got disputed on several videos. I can't even FIND the track they're talking about and I spent a good hour searching. The band exists, but the track has no results.

[@shakaama]

Well, I am a youtuber. I make my living by google / youtube. I have contacted Kevin MacLeod and written two different emails to The Orchard group in the form of a cease and desist order. I also informed them, that if they do not respond within 10 business days, that I shall bring suit. I then contacted an entertainment lawyer through my business partners. I plan on suing them anyway, for defamation, harassment and require that youtube purge the system of their data.

[@Godmason]

shakaama So... how did it go?

[@dylerturden8018]

shakaama just wondering how that went?

[@ShekelLord32]

shakaama I know that I responded to this WAAAAAYYYY too late, but thank you.

[@ZenStarwalker]

shakaama any advice? i cant afford a lawyer, im a starving struggling rapper/beatmaker as it is

[@noborujones6234]

you can imagine that I have my label and I'm the composer of some 1000 compositions and I had the misfortunate to have my entire catalog sold by my distributor to the Orchard without my consent.... Then I legally terminated the contract 3 months ago with a letter signed by both party, but they NEVER took down my music and I cannot upload on youtube without get a strike... SUPER FRUSTRATING... this is the age of big scam and hungry sharks on internet and we are basically screwed.... if you have an attorney that's into it, please let me know at [e-mail]

[@Educababytv]

Help me, How can I win this dispute?,

[@Sacredverse108]

Same happened to one of our promotional videos. Is there any way to report them to BBB or some agency that can enforce this?

[@Njenkin]

Thanks for this. I made a review of an old Commodore Amiga video game from1991 called Turrican II. Orchard say they own the music. I can find nowhere on the Internet to back this up. As it was a review, I was speaking all over the top of it in any case and believe this is allowed under the terms of Fair Use. On top of this, I'm told the game is also available as a Free download online so therefore in the Public Domain. Was a little scared to dispute this before. I guess that's what they count on.

[@Kiirstin]

I just disputed 2 copyright claims on MY ORIGINAL CONTENT by these people and guess what! My copyright was released! YAYEEEE!! Justice! This has been weighing down on me for months because I disputed and they held it, and then they started claiming on other songs of mine. But VICTORY!!

[@boggers]

Thank you for making this video. I'm glad that this is the top result on a search for Orchard Music Group. They pulled the same stunt on one of my videos today which was using Creative Commons music suggested by youtube themselves. I just removed the song, but now that I've seen your video, next time I will know to dispute the claim.

[@KarinaYoung]

I posted a video on my channel about four months ago and made money on it but it recently got copyrighted by the orchard and I am quite annoyed. I used many songs in it for about 15-20 seconds each and many of them were speed up. If I file a dispute through youtube can I mark it as in the fair use guidelines or am I just screwed and these ppl get to take my future earnings from it? If anyone has any suggestions pls reply. my video I'm talking about is on my channel "extreme room makeover", I'm not trying to advertise my channel here just trying to get some help.

[@QuincyTV]

I just got a report that I used "Nature Sounds-Meditative Fantasy in the Forest" The Orchard Music" in my video. I was streaming my gameplay of my game Arma 2, I had no music on, only my game and that's it. What do I do now?

[@TheScrewedGeneration]

Hi, I went to creative commons web site and it gave me a huge headache! How do you find a list of music that can be use for my videos?

[@Generikb]

This just happened to me, I used a Duke Ellington song which to my knowledge is Public Domain. Sooooo angry right now

[@billmarq]

They are attempting to do this to me also, for music I arranged from a track purchased from Quicktracks, using their software, licensed to me to create royalty free music. Why does not KZbin eliminate these scammers?

[@awrar911]

Orchard Music just claim for one of our local Arabic singer ! they are big Liars and i don't think that they have the right to own the internet Strangely they believe they have the right and we have no right to object This manner in any person can possess any song on KZbin

[@Educababytv]

I happened the same, a vídeo with my daughter's record voice was claimed by Orchard Music, it is incredible, for this reason I won't permit that, I Contract a lawyer for demand this fake claim, if someone have to demonstrate that the contain is yourself, contact to me, the next month I will travel to USA to start the demand, maybe you can help with this cost about lawyer, The Air ticket I wil pay.

[@edcooper872]

thanks for your great work... and awareness... there are thieves

[@ElaineCristtina]

Same here. They just claimed music from my videos that are copyright free.

[@ChrisTstudios]

+Elaine Cés Same here. They are doing it on behalf of someone.

[@KELLYKH]

This also just happened to me. My friend's band lets me use their music in my videos, and let me tell you, they are NOT called "The Orchard Music Group." I am so angry because I actually make money off of my videos, and these thieves are stealing my hard earned money. I have emailed TOMG and also have disputed a claim to KZbin. If this is not fixed, believe me, I will raise hell.

[@GuptaAbhilash]

***** One more victim to join the club. In my case, it's a Indian classical instrument piece on a Sitar that's claimed.

[@darkporis]

same that i cant listen to several of hammerfalls songs because they have copyright claim from listening to them from sweden. mind you that the company nuclear blast records holds the rights to hammerfall and the heads of the company are 1 swede 1 german

[@RealHomeRecording]

***** I sympathize with you. An independent musician sent me music for use in a video and it was claimed by TOMG. He has zero affiliation with them. They seem to claim a lot of music outside of America. Well, they don't realize they messed with an American that lives not too far from their headquarters. And I have plans for them...oh yes I do!

[@ZenStarwalker]

***** any suggestions? im stumped

[@KELLYKH]

Sacred Age Official I contacted the band, and they were just as upset as I was. I just took the video down and replaced the audio with another one of their songs.

[@adtwinonline]

This is an interesting "dispute" issue with Utube.com & Orchard Music Group membership for indie singers particularly. Question: Is this topic can be resolved by a "consumer complaint" filed with U.S.government agency who addresses "consumer complaints ?" .

[@cheeryvibez]

I got a claim on an old video of mine, i cant find the artist they claim to be representing, idk if to continue to dispute and give them my contact details and risk finding out a video i downloaded as public domain to recut actually is one of theirs , or what. idk.

[@foundationgood123]

Hi, I have had a smiler thing just happen to me- I used music from macs jingles in iMovie surely this is like garage band open to public.....have you had the same issue with iMovies jingles, holy, booms etc... Regards Chris

[@pandeazucarweb1866]

2018 and this scammers still operating on YT platform. Today i receive a content id claim (not to remove the video but to monetize my video in my face) the video was a simple presentation of a guiness record of MY city (Pan de Azúcar, Uruguay) because here they harvested the first watermelon in the shape of a country in the World and they presented it during a small folk festival that takes place here every year. These scammers claim me the first 30 seconds of the video, where what exists is the festival's publicity vignette, which does not even belong to them because it is written and interpreted by local artists, who ARE MY NEIGHBORS here in the city and who never in their lives they have heard the name "The orchard music" nor are they artists of any music recording company. I asked for advice on KZbinTeam on Twitter, so far nothing has been said about it. Right now I am in the dilemma if I make a dispute, which leaves me exposed to receiving a negative response because it is "the orchard" who decides on my claim AND NOT KZbin AS SHOULD BE. It is a complete abuse that since 2011 when you have had this problem, to this day KZbin does not do anything against these scammers, who have even wanted to become owners of works by Carlos Gardel (Tango), whose authorial rights have been in the public domain for years, just as I have also read that they appropriate anything they found interesting from small channels. A boy in this thread that I leave then complains that they appropriated their own musical composition (registered in SADAIC Argentina). This is a barbarism. These scoundrels attack small channels that do not have networks or that are not yet reaching the minimum required to monetize, and thus pocket millions stopping the profit of thousands of videos that do not belong to them. And observing the inaction of KZbin in the face of these abuses, it is more than evident that YT is participating in everything that these people are stealing from us. productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/youtube-es/P_3hm8T1kC8

[@ZenStarwalker]

JUST HAPPENED TO ME TOO TODAY! ON MY OWN VIDEO AND NON SAMPLED REMAKE OF A BEAT FROM 100% FABRICATION AND MY OWN LYRICS. HELP??

[@jamesgreen7488]

Thank you for doing the research about The Orchard Music. What drew my attention to this was that the song "Long Live The King" by the heavy metal band "Sabaton" was blocked wholesale by The Orchard Music group. Look the song up on KZbin, and you will get no results because all videos have been taken off listing. This ticked me off because the song is a good song and that "Long Live The King" is published and/or licensed (I'm not a lawyer, I don't understand political gubbins too well.) by Sabaton and Nuclear Blast Records. Nowhere have I heard that The Orchard Music group has any claim on "Long Live The King."

[@jamesgreen7488]

Correction. Not all videos of this song were struck by The Orchard Music. Nevertheless, they have no claim over the song.

[@antimanc]

Sabaton's Label Nuclear Blast are distributed by the Orchard so they do in fact own the right to monetise it on KZbin. A quick 2 minute Google search could have told you that. If you want to monetise KZbin DON'T USE COPYRIGHTED MUSIC - if really quite simple to understand

[@FatSynthDude]

If I might ask, what's come of it so far? I just had them claim a copyright on one of my songs and I'm disputing it, so I'm curious as to what to expect.

[@sethhorst6158]

The Orchard music gave a copyright claim to one of my videos of a 45rpm record playing "Three O'clock thrill" and "when" by the Kalin Twins which the songs where from 1956 or 1958.

[@JuanBlaktv]

that's happening to me too. I have a few promo videos up of MY music, they tried that a few months ago with my one song worm, I disputed it & that was that, but just recently they are trying to say 3 of my other songs are theirs. what the hell?

[@rd0769]

Thanx alot , for making this video . I just got my many video got copyright claimed by THE ORCHARD MUSIC Group. First time i searched about this company and this , so i can also file dispute against them .. thanx.

[@ADSplay101]

This happened to me just now. A video of a playthrough I was doing was copyrighted for music by the orchard music group and I looked it up, the music in question wasn't made by them at all.

[@RainbowLane]

They are still doing it - I have just had a claim on a piece of music, Iess than a minute long, I put together from a straight sequence of Apple loops that came with Garage Band. I have already been through all this with the same video with AdShare MG for a Third Party who also seem to trawl KZbin making false claims. I contacted Apple Inc after AdShare MG refused to release the claim and the guy I spoke to at Apple Inc just laughed at their claim and said, tell them they will need to sue Apple Inc if they think they own the Garage Band loops. When I told ADShare MG what Apple Inc said, and sent them a link to the legal notice about Apple loops, they released the claim straight away. And now it is happening again with Orchard. This is nothing short of being robbed in the street online.

[@phaylen]

The Orchard is a scam. They have made a claim on a video i released 10 years ago!! Back then I purchased a program called Smartsound which is a royalty free music program you buy sound packs for. I bought the comedy pack. It came with loops, layers and different pacing beats. The Orchard Music goes after anyone using royalty free music, places a false copyright claim, keeps your video up but monetizes it for their benefit. They hope most won't bother disputing, because youtube places all the burden on you, NOT THEM! They should have to prove they own the copyright before they can make a claim. Sadly, Orchard has monetized thousands upon thousands of music that does not belong to them and they do not own. KZbin will not ban The Orchard because no matter who is monetizing the video, KZbin gets their cut of ads. They will not be on your side. The Orchard deserves a class action lawsuit, not revenue. They're making millions off fake claims on royalty free stock music that we think we won't care about a dispute on.

[@jeffandthom]

How did you find out what song "they thought" you were using?

[@RayBlackwood]

I just got a copyright notice for music that I purchased (royalty free) all Orchard group too... None of the options to dispute it are for this.... this is lame.

[@Pineappleparty]

they tried getting one of my videos taken down last year, saying that musical piece that I myself had produced, they claimed it under a different musical group.

[@CrystalKaulitz]

They claimed copyright on my video last night. Is there any way to stop them?

[@Armachillo]

So how can you find out whether or not they have a claim to a particular song. I actually noticed it just now. I uploaded some vids I made at concerts and now I see that they are the plaintiff. They didn't take the vid down but there might be some ads from which they collect the money. And with 7854 viewings that can be quite a bit of money...

[@RichardPearson57]

My name is Richard Pearson and I present a monthly astronomy program. Orchard Music got me too. I always credit contributors at the end of the program, and obtain copyright permissions before the program is broadcast. In this case I personally played the piano Moonlight Sentra in my own style for a short section celebrating Sir Patrick Moore 1/1/2015. They claim my artistic work belongs to them. It does not! It is a bogus claim and I have contested it to the appeal stage. I am so angry because it locks down my program and we receive no earnings from it. Thank you for posting this video. It is a thorough and informative demonstration of Orchard Music's flagrant abuse of the Content ID system that continues today.

[@coppershock]

the fact that this video got published 8 years ago and I just got hit with a false claim from The Orchard Music and KZbin still haven't done anything about these jerks makes me mad. :(

[@jmbgouveia]

How can I check if the music The Wizard from Uriah heep really belongs to them?.....cheers

[@GamePlayShare]

Got their claim on my video. They claim that footsteps and steam noise is their music track. Wrote e-mail to them about that.

[@elinanuortien]

Hi! This also happened to me. The copyrights are very important to me, since I also work as an artist. This is why I use royalty free material or material made by myself. This is why I was very surprised to find that OMG had claimed the music used in my video was theirs. It was´t. And thanks to your post I disputed it and now YT sent me a notice that this has been cleared and OMG has now withdrawn their claim.

[@imbenmeyer]

Hey Pedaling... This just happened to me and I got the response back rejecting the dispute. Aren't there high-power attorneys willing to take on this case pro bono class action? I have a network that can speak with some attorney. I just don't have the knowledge or experience to round up hundreds of people that would be willing to sign.

[@andersonsmith1640]

Thanks for posting this! These morons just tried to file a claim on one of my videos today. They are looking for soft targets that won't dispute their claim and they are clearly making money off of the hard work of good, honest artists. Someone should put them in jail. KZbin isn't helping as they allow companies like this to file claim after claim after claim. All it would take is for someone to look into all the songs they claim the rights to. Then it would be transparent that they are simply stealing money from artists. EVERYONE NEEDS to leave them a negative review on Google.

[@JFishh_]

This literally just happened to me: The Orchard Music have just claimed a song by Jordan Comolli called Fallen from the Alpha Records royalty free playlist on their KZbin channel. All of the music used is copyright free that I use.

[@thedolphinway]

Just discovered that Orchard music has uploaded a whole album of mine, which was deleted some years ago. They have also just made a copyright claim on my Tibetan Chakra Album, which I just uploaded onto KZbin as a guided meditation recently.

[@S-CAT]

I also have a problem with Orchard, I had a notification on the video and disputed it as mistaken identity. They have now refused my disute and opened the claim again. I am glad that you have made this video. We can all put a stop to this!

[@LegendHusky]

I dont blame you, I just received copyright claim from them for the fourth time on my Commentary Gameplay video for The Crew Beta on Xbox One. Part 1 to be exact, and I have had music removed from that video countless times. So I dont see where the Orchard Music company, or anyone else keeps finding music content in this video. We should start a petition to have Orchard shut down, or keep them from filing content claims on KZbin users. Just like you said, they're harrasing us, and to be honest I'm fed up with it too.

[@JonandSamTV]

@PedalingPrince What can I do to not be labeled as stealing their music?

[@angleoflove123]

does anyone know if the japanese singer rurutia is connected with this lot. im fairly sure she isnt. my video was blocked today and it had the song 'silent prayer'.

[@CatBeyondTV]

Just had to dispute a claim from The Orchard Music group on a song made by my friends, who gave me express permission to use their music.

[@MermaidIona]

This is happening to me right now. I used royalty free music. The "matching" content that they're claiming I used was published nearly THREE YEARS after video was posted. PLUS it has spoken word over it with the music softly playing in the background, when mine does not. I gave them all this info and the source of the royalty free music that I have license to use and they STILL rejected my appeal. Emailed them and waiting for a response. What they're doing is reprehensible. Plus it is SO BROKEN, that KZbin uses the freaking honor system to deal with copyright and the monetization of that. They're scamming their way into all kinds of monetization money that they did NOTHING to get. YT doesn't care because whatever money is made from ads, they get a cut. It's SO MESSED UP!

[@StefanThiesen]

Thanks for posting this. I ran into our friends of "Orchard" as well. In my most recent case I had actually purchased a license from a musician that allowed me to use his music for private and commercial purposes, but Orchard lays claims to it, and KZbin ignores my complaints. As content producers (writers and photographers) my wife are as irritated as you are when people lay false claims on copyright, especially since we are strong believers in the creative commons concept. Unfortunately even asking for an attribution seems to be too much, but beyond violations of the use conditions we, too, have experienced cases where third parties claimed our work as theirs. Orchard seems to have elevated this to a totally new level. So far I didn't bother to do something about it, swallowed my anger and moved on using different music (own, Garage Band, KZbin Collection). However, I may in the future use KZbin for professional purposes rather than merely for the occasional just for fun or non-public family-sharing video, and in this case this issue becomes a serious commercial risk. The Internet increasingly becomes a play-ground for free-wheeling marauders who are not playing by the generally accepted rules and completely lack any decency. Orchard is part of the Sony Group. Since many people seem to be bugged by it, the big word that comes to my mind is: CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT. If we find enough people willing to participate, Orchard - and hence Sony, respectively - is likely to reconsider their practice, and it may also be a warning shot for other big businesses who think they can treat small independent content providers as they like.

[@prexzah]

I got copyright on my video should i just leave it because its not copyright

[@DividedAsOne]

Good video :) The Orchard Music Group is only the newest of many companies claiming our royalty free tracks which we legally licensed. And our videos are monetized, which makes this so frustrating. Orchard is the first company to reject our dispute, and most companies reply to e-mails or release their claim very quickly. Orchard waited until the final day they had to respond, so about two weeks. We e-mailed them and have not heard back. We'll keep trying. There really needs to be some way KZbin can protect channels in good standing who only upload original content (or content they have the right to post) from companies like this. Some tracks have been claimed by six or seven different companies. Same video, same song, different companies claiming different song titles, but at least they've all released those claims until now. :-/

[@HOOKEDONFLUTE]

Hello: I recently had the Orchard Music Group lay claim to my original composition. I am furious with this bogus claim. I understand you have had issues with them too. I think we should find as many people possible and file a class action suit against this despicable company. Please contact me at: [e-mail] so we can plan a strategy. Thanks Marlene

[@musanim]

I got a claim from Orchard on the audio used in one of my videos; I emailed them (at the address provided here), telling them where I got the audio, and they released the claim.

[@ShadwSonic]

Not even Let's Plays are safe, they're trying to claim some music from my Ape Escape 3 walkthrough. Despite the fact that it's the actual game music. Fortunately for them, it's just the initial automated alert so far, so wish me luck in disputing it!

[@ShadwSonic]

I am happy to report that both of the claims made against my video have been successfully dropped! Now the only videos that AREN'T being monetized on my channel are two from Nintendo games!

[@Hellrazzaa]

They did it with my farcry 3 videos and they had to get took down

[@carlylesyachttoursreviews2378]

They just struck my channel. A bunch of claims came in today. So years later and KZbin done nothing?

[@poolboyinla]

Orchard Music just got their youtube account deleted.

[@Hellrazzaa]

Wtf I'm 13 I don't have a lawyer what I'm I meant to do

[@miamorello5237]

+ryankickassrb Same here bro, they claimed a fallout vid from me

[@royaltyfreemusicreviewed635]

Hi, I am having a lot of trouble with The Orchard Music, so I have started a new Channel called "The Orchard Music Disputed third-party matched content" so that I can test each piece of music I purchase before I use it in videos on my main channel, so far I have posted 4 videos and received 3 ID content claims. Now KZbin have stopped me from being able to file a dispute with this new channel, meaning I can't identify who is claiming my video. Everything I am doing falls within KZbin's guidelines, all the music has been purchased from a reputable company. When I go back to the music supplier they advise me to switch to Vimeo. Have you experienced any similar problems?

[@OLDTIMEANOINTEDGOSPELMUSIC]

I have a song that was recorded in the 70's and now Orchard Music is claiming that part of the song is their's. pure theft

[@MaximillianMerlin]

Great video! Thank you so much for this. I had the same problem with my video "The Feather" from 2012 The Orchard Music Group was claiming copyrights on music from 1928 that is public domain. The fun part was that beside 2 other companies who claimed copyrights, the "Orchard Music Group" claimed copyright on a song that was not even in the video (there were only 2 public domain songs...)! Well, I disputed them all succesfully. I believe that they just try to make some fast money.

[@dyll7798]

Dude i feel you man, its 5 years later and i've gotten a complaint not only on my video, but my private video also, so it seems really suspicious.

[@mikew621]

just got a copyright claim from them on a 1965 original documentary there is no music even used

[@DeeWhiteProductionz]

Hey everyone i just wanted to share that Orchard music filed a claim againtst me today and i looked them up and found this video . I called the number provided above got no answer so i left a message telling them I own the music and had original files to prove it and that they remove the claim immediately and not even 2 hours later I received this email removing the claim. [ SUBJECT: Copyright claim] Claim released Hi Dee White, Good news! Your dispute wasn’t reviewed within 30 days, so the copyright claim on your KZbin video has now been released. Video title: "Cali Type Beat...GRP" Hope this helps someone else. it did for me. thanks John

[@KEEVVY]

I also got claim on a royalty free song & know I got the second, I think I will also try to speak with the artist as I did that in the past, and one of them not only confirm it that his song it's royalty free, but also ofered to dispute the song for me.

[@TheOtakuMaster0]

I thought I was the only one, I did an anime song remix that was non-monetized and a couple years ago this group put a copyright notice on that video, turns out he stole audio from the original tracks by the composer and makes money of them.

[@stormbroke]

How do I challenge Orchard Music's claims that they own music used in my videos?

[@Eaglerock5015]

You are absolutely correct. It is a SCAM and a complete fraud by numerous music publishing companies to obtain the royalty for each of your views. They have done the same thing to others and could be grounds for a class action lawsuit.

[@BygPhattyPlus]

I just had them claim one of my let's play videos that of a game that I KNOW they have no claim on it! How did you contact them and does anyone else have any sucess with beating them?

[@MaharajaXpress]

These scammers are from 1 person who have all the advantage, benefits!!! to rob all your views and not to pay you out for the views! The person use 1 professional scanner to scan all the royalty free music from the web! The person use these names: "Getty Images", "Believe Music", "Adrev for 3rd Party" and "Orchard Music". Think about these 4 names and read the names loudly. This is 1 person who are playing with youtubers to get all the benefits by removing your views!!! to earn all the ads money ALONE!!!

[@_733t]

This issue has just come up with my band. Claiming they own the copyright to my original music that isn't even released yet!?

[@JaneDentonGaming]

Thanks for making this vid. More and more of us need to keep outing these scammers. I don't dispute right away with KZbin. I contact the scammer, provide all the documented proof that proves their claim wrong and let them know I am CC'ing it to the actual owner, so far they have all complied. But still what a pain in the @$$ to deal with these leeches in the first place. On an off note I really like Kevin MacLeods work as well, there are some great creative commons and public domain music out there that we can use.

[@souljackdigitaltv1592]

I am so happy i saw your video, Orchard Music claimed that one of our songs was theirs...but they dont deal with dance music! i dont get these people

[@Addicted-2-Guitars]

I have just noticed one of my ALL original songs has a copyright claim by the Orchard Music Scammers, I have filed a dispute with youtube. I am starting to think though if there are so many YT users claiming this scam then YT must be a part of it IF YT has not done anything about it.

[@yanDeriction]

There needs to be a coordinated effort to sue T.o.m. into oblivion.

[@WahanaRecords]

Who is "Orchard Music"??? i am coming from the long long way road, years ago i have uploaded my music that is for "local traditional" music from Indonesia. and I don't know if they are also the same country [tribe] where i coming from. KZbin recognized that "Orchard Music" is the "owner" copyright materia for the music i have uploaded.... hello?? should i take any action to this rubbish dispute??.

[@Leodis.Leather]

These people are driving me mad! I use the music from Final Cut (Royalty Free same as GarageBand/iMovie etc.) and several times now they've claimed against my videos because they've made a song using the same loop then submitted it into content ID. I've contacted KZbin, they don't seem to care too much and have just told me they don't mediate copyright claims!

[@BrettWorth]

I got one of these too and I got an email saying their claim is also still valid. This is crazy that someone is able to do this! I'm in touch with the guy who I got the tracks off and he's doing what he can to get this sorted. Let's hope he comes through.