$8 Million MMO Scandal

[@Os10_]

Imagine paying 10k to be a king in an MMO just to have your character die of old age.

[@Elzzaw]

10 minutes in, some griefers destroy your kingdom and usurp your throne. Worth every penny.

[@user-10021]

It’s really wild to me, especially since a game like what they wanted to make has already been long in existence, called “Sims” by EA...

[@MemePulse]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4SxcpSupaiboqM

[@karhammer]

Literally real life just cheaper tho

[@TheBonkleFox]

Really innovative. Crusader Kings? what's that?

[@kylegonewild]

"Are they doing this as quickly as possible to avoid getting sued?" Yes. 100%.

[@MemePulse]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4SxcpSupaiboqM

[@EbonMaster]

@be happy be sure to not to ignore the spammers, guys. Report em. Group effort and all that.

[@Diddykonga]

@@EbonMaster Pew Pew, Two down, infinite more to go @_@

[@conorodea9346]

Nice profile pic

[@thegeneral19]

@@EbonMaster how to report?

[@KiraTV1]

This is crazy to see Charlie watching my videos, been watching you years man. Thanks man much love

[@ineedabreak6063]

ayy

[@chroma_ky]

Keep up the content!

[@BloopersINCjr]

Keep up the good work bro

[@jamesp1389]

Love your work brother been watching for ages!

[@Larry_Diamond]

It was a great video

[@StylizedStation]

The only reason the dev hasn't abandoned the game is that if he does, hes going to get sued so hard that his ancestors are going feel it

[@skeletonbuyingpealts7134]

Descendants as well

[@timtimjr3654]

All alternate versions of himself across all time lines will feel it

[@Slashgibber]

Kickstarter lawsuits almost always fail.

[@dmd1978]

@@Slashgibber They raised funds outside of kickstarter and promised a product pretty sure that will move forward.

[@Slashgibber]

@@dmd1978 Doesn't really matter. They can easily argue that people should have known that crowdfunding is inherently a risky proposition.

[@Dauntman]

if a kickstarter game came out and said "This isnt innovative, you've probably seen this game style 1000 times. We're just gonna give it a go". I'd be more inclined to donate.

[@crookedbuns]

honesty wins us over honestly. xD

[@danskyder1564]

Lol you’re probably right. “Yeah this is a tried and true formula and we just have a fresh skin for it all, interested?”

[@orangeusername1792]

me too but the big money people will overlook it as soon as they hear the first word of honesty

[@mizzy8655]

@@orangeusername1792 not if it wins over a lot of people donating small amounts. The public interest may draw in bigger investors

[@pillowmint4622]

@Riyad Harun yeah, this is kind of a case where cookie cutting isn't actually that bad

[@StoliMan]

Imagine becoming a millionaire from selling literally nothing.

[@Laurton]

Then getting sued and becoming a criminal.😎😎

[@gileee]

Televangelist selling salvation

[@NeroSurvives]

thats how mafia works

[@halowaffles]

That's how most millionaires are made today. We live in a time where advertisement generates more money than the actual product.

[@MemePulse]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4SxcpSupaiboqM

[@canadasfirstspoon909]

i can feel a MMO scandal tier list coming

[@meisterm5562]

@@ImmaWrongdoer stfu

[@aybon7398]

@about you i hoped this to be a mmo scandal tier list video

[@luiszapamoo]

same

[@nunyanunyaalt69]

@@HIMOMLETSGO nothing will happen 😂😂 LOLOLOL

[@rohanbawkar5619]

That would be great

[@foilhattiest1]

"We permanently kill a character when they die of old age" ...from trying to get from point A to point B on the map, no doubt.

[@RebeckadV]

People who were willing to act as couriers were in quite high demand lol. People foresaw that they'd probably want to bunker down if they were to keep their titles.

[@Nick-kw9oz]

@@RebeckadV Im sorry, what?

[@brahminzed1417]

@@RebeckadV Those are certainly all words

[@aficionadoavacado559]

@@brahminzed1417 They were going to have people who specifically ran letters to kingdoms so the kings wouldn’t have to and die of old age on the way there. Learn words

[@internal.rage.]

@@aficionadoavacado559 um ok

[@R.Sinnia]

I wonder if Charlie knows that Friday Night Funkin' had a 10k package on its Kickstarter and the only thing you get from it is Ninjamuffin calls your phone to say "YOU SUCK" and 2 people backed it. And honestly that's much better than owning a kingdom

[@krinsin2303]

And don't forget, you're supposed to receive said call in *June 2024.*

[@gotworc]

@@krinsin2303 LMFAO

[@lockerbuddy2039]

If FNF had a 100k package that was only Jeff insulting you for 1 hour, someone would've bought it.

[@ciphergacha9100]

@@lockerbuddy2039 *I would have bought it

[@StylizedStation]

All I saw was someone showing us around a game environment they slapped together in Unity, no actual mechanics are In place at all. This game is much closer to 1% done instead of 25%. Pretty sure I know artists who can throw this together in a night or two. Edit: I take it back, he just made a character harvest berries. The big reveal was worth the wait.

[@edit3891]

Finally I can start my berry based empire.

[@sdk2571]

Berry Picking is indeed very innovative and revolutionary

[@ArezX3]

Stylized Station shitting on a crappy game, that's a new thing to see, makes me feel some joy inside.

[@I3lueberry]

But will there be blueberries and can I be automatically king

[@mrs-chief]

It was in Unreal, at least going by the PAX East 2017 demo. The "preview" on the ground shows up before you build lights in Unreal.

[@patentedorganism1557]

The most innovative games are games that don’t proclaim they’re innovative. It’s almost like it should be self-explanatory.

[@zkull9982]

@DON’T GO AWAY

[@zkull9982]

@for you STOP

[@ImmaWrongdoer]

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[@Dave-jj3fk]

And the companies that don’t get news/media outlets to do it for them

[@danialyousaf6456]

The most innovative games are the ones that actually come out. Anyone that keeps tooting their horn about how their game is gonna change the game industry is delusional and should set their goals to a more believable standard.

[@Xalzia]

If I had a dollar for every Kickstarter scam, I wouldn't need to set up a Kickstarter scam

[@DrLeatherface]

You'd have about $400. Set for life.

[@OrigamiAhsoka]

@@DrLeatherface oh buddy there are wayyy more than that

[@DrLeatherface]

@@OrigamiAhsoka not really lol about 9 percent of kickstarter projects fail to deliver. So about 4500ish based on the number of projects listed as funded. Now take into account that most of them were due to the projects failure for whatever reason, which isn't a scam. That's a point that a lot of people don't understand. Projects fail sometimes. It's just how it is. Very few are outright intentional scams. I've backed 82 kickstarters and only 2 didn't deliver due to the incompetence of the creator.. so around 400 bucks is a good estimate imo.

[@MinatoBebop]

@@DrLeatherface I look at kickstarter scams all the time there's more than 400 you wouldn't even be able to look at them all because some never even get off the ground and make money cause it's an obvious scam you wouldn't be able to actually find all the scams beneath the real projects and scams that are well known so you cant really just say there's 400 you're just being a mr know it all

[@commanderodinstark3416]

I’m pretty sure the only issue here is what constitutes a scam. An unsuccessful scam is still a scam, in my opinion, which would raise the 400 number by quite the large margin.

[@pog8434]

Don’t worry guys, officer Greg is on the case

[@dont9073]

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[@ImmaWrongdoer]

°ᴵ ʷᶦˡˡ ˢᵘᵇ ᵗᵒ ᵉᵛᵉʳʸᵒⁿᵉ ʷʰᵒ ˢᵘᵇˢ ᵗᵒ ᵐᵉ ᵃⁿᵈ ˡᶦᵏᵉˢ ᵗʰᶦˢ ᶜᵒᵐᵐᵉⁿᵗ^$~

[@RareTS]

@@dont9073 ok I wont

[@viscountrainbows6452]

What is he gonna do? Shut it down?!

[@DaOneJoel]

nah he works plinkin for Taofledermaus. Still a goddamn phenom.

[@wadedevinney9681]

Some old lady was raising money for a children’s book she wrote on kickstarter, and it became the only kickstarter project I ever backed. The book released and it was pretty good

[@seymorbuns5363]

What’s the book’s name

[@willthomas4516]

What book

[@MathieuDuval]

I backed two games in total there, one where the owner ended up releasing it as a open source and refunded everyone cause he didn't have the time/ energy to finish it, and the other ended releasing and was nice. Dont remember the name, but i remember playing at least 200 hours of it, for 5$.

[@ammarpratama1207]

​@@MathieuDuval is it a space game?

[@josephmcwilliams9533]

I feel bad for that one software engineer ... he/she probably got roped in to it with promises of success and had to do their best with less than minimal support. Can't imagine the stress.

[@charlesm.2604]

We're used to deadlines but that homie is the choosen one.

[@floradevries7674]

The owner of the company making this game also fired EVERYONE last year and the game has basically made no progress. I'm pretty sure he's just trying to take his 8 million and run...

[@Spaced92]

Eh they knew what was going on.

[@LaVaZ000]

@@Spaced92 Probably not.

[@rexviperfan]

I remember being approached by a similar company a few months ago while I was job hunting, they were looking for a graphics programmer and it sounded promising. When I looked them up after the first phone call, I saw the succesful multi million $ kickstarter campaign, but then the complete lack of any real release/updates, and lots of public outcry. It might have been this company, I just remember that it looked pretty shitty. I politely declined; it's just way too unstable and seems like a hellish place to work, I'm not surprised they only had one engineer.

[@KingseekerFrampt]

I like how the game became increasingly worse looking

[@ThatFedoraGuyyy]

@about you Cmon man why you gotta spam links again.

[@BerryKnots2858]

It was evolving, but backwards.

[@Kaiji...]

Minecraft mods like Pixelmon are probs better than this entire "game"

[@ThatFedoraGuyyy]

@@ImmaWrongdoer *S TO P I T*

[@viscountrainbows6452]

That character model demo looked like it came from XBox. The first one.

[@2ksnakenoodles]

MMO Scandals have replaced NFTs as the biggest waste of money already

[@ConfusionPlus2]

Just wait till an innovator manages to combine them for max profit.

[@absolutfx]

Sadly MMO Scandals have been around way longer than NFTs.

[@HomekittyL2]

@DON’T ok

[@vetologist4333]

@@ConfusionPlus2 Someone already did, it's called vulcanverse. Basically a unity asset steam scam, but the assets are illegally re-sold as NFT's. They also sell you a piece of the world promising AAA graphics when it looks like it's from 2003

[@jokeis8684]

@@ConfusionPlus2 kinda what adoptables or custom sonas? I can just imagine them being in game super prized character models or abilities

[@greenlion1089]

"We thought people would just throw themselves and money at us when we showed them our super sweet idea."

[@rbuckley6248]

"Ideas are money... Unless it's a Kickstarter idea" -joker quotes about society-

[@MemePulse]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4SxcpSupaiboqM

[@tiajoseph7309]

And they did.

[@demonjmh]

@@tiajoseph7309 And theyre all pissed about it

[@BeastGamingHD]

imagine paying $10K to get your own "kingdom" in a shitty version of The Sims. I feel bad for everyone scammed.

[@Taskmaster17]

Those guys should've bought SIms medieval to fulfil their dreams. Would've cost way less and it's a nice game to boot!

[@TorinR90]

@@Taskmaster17 Wait, is Sims medieval a real thing? I've been drinking so ATM that sounds super duper excellent. I hope I remember to google that later

[@TorinR90]

@@Taskmaster17 Holy crap! Sims medieval is a real thing! haha that's cool, sounds neat/fun. Saw the screenshots, lighting spells and castles and stuff, super awesome lol

[@trixstix0910]

@@TorinR90 one of the best story games sims team has come out with. Granted, I have really only seen it played by callmekevin. But it seemed the most well thought out (in my opinion)

[@jackwalters3928]

Why?

[@RayAkuma]

Imagine ingame time being a year per minute and everyone who got their kingdom just dies after 50 minutes and loses it all xD

[@hb2495]

thats the best part!

[@RayAkuma]

@@hb2495 only true gaming connoisseurs know to appreciate this

[@thepoglin8479]

isnt there a game called 1 hour 1 life or smth? where 1 minute = 1 year and you have to build a civilization

[@lemonywater2979]

I want it to be real time so I can pass down my account to my descendants

[@chuckaugust9856]

I was a backer for this and a fairly active member of the community, holy shit. I only blew four hundred dollars on it, but that's incomparable to some of the backers who spent over 30k on it. What you have to understand is that it wasn't only four people who spent over 10k. That was just the kickstarter. After the Kickstarter closed, they opened up a marketplace on the website where you could buy noble titles as well. There were hundreds of people who spent 1k on county titles and 5k on duchy titles, not including all the other little items they paid for on the store. You could pay various amounts of money for a Beekeeper's Kit, Otterbear, etc. My memory is kind of hazy, but believe there were 20 kingdoms throughout all four servers in the game, this meant that 19 people spent at least 10k to become a king in a non-existent game. There was also one double king, a guy who spent 20k on it. I stopped spending money two years before the studio got shut down by Covid, because I had a good feeling it wasn't going anywhere, but it's hilarious to see Charlie cover it. Caspian is a total scammer, and the only reason he's continuing development is to cover his ass over the class-action lawsuit that's going on.

[@RodneyAndMeVideos]

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[@Spartan-xm2tw]

"only" $400, not to be harsh but you're one of the reasons why snake oil developers will continue to peddle scams like this, they know people will buy into it even if people realize half way through it's a scam they would have made all the money they needed.

[@chuckaugust9856]

@@Spartan-xm2tw Yes, thank you for telling me that I made a mistake by buying into a scam. I had never considered that perhaps I shouldn't have done that, and your message has helped me reflect on my role in society. Truly, I am blessed to have encountered you today.

[@Trubbsy]

@@Spartan-xm2tw too be fair, all of us has have at least done one dumbass thing in our lives. Some more extreme than others, but nonetheless still a dumbass thing.

[@esling77]

Hindsight is 20/20 .thanks for the information

[@mysteriousj3019]

"Why would they release this?" Because as long as they release SOMETHING, some people will continue to believe and give them money. They can also use it as "proof" that they are fulfilling their end by developing the game. Sad, but tbh I don't feel bad for people who donate more than $5-$10 to a kickstarter. Spending a bunch of money on literally nothing is ridiculous, especially $10,000.

[@conditionedair4353]

they were also being really rushed by everyone. People were screaming about how it still wasnt released and just wanted to see something

[@coamadafaka007]

@@conditionedair4353 they started gathering funds in 2015 and its 2021 now of course people rushing them, they paid money, some up to 10k

[@Sniperbear13]

never give more then you are willing to lose. the motto of someone i once knew when it cam to lending out money to people.

[@coamadafaka007]

@@JGD714 I think people are scared that they will miss next big opportunity to become rich, so they will buy literally anything and invest big money.

[@coamadafaka007]

@@JGD714 yea I know but when you tell people "oh for 10k you can become a king and have your own land in game" people instantly think that they opportunity to make real money by renting that land or building hotel etc.

[@brentonsmith3901]

I've been with the CoE community since 2016, so I'm gonna provide some additional insight. I only lost $40, a friend of mine lost $500, another friend lost $15K, and an unknown user by the name of Ghettomaster had donated over $40K. A big reason why so many people donated large amounts of money is because there were lots of gamplay features that were only available to those who spent large amounts of money, such as owning land, cities, businesses, etc. Obviously it was a bad financial decision to put any money towards it. One of the reasons why development wasn't going anywhere was because Jeromy Walsh (Caspian) kept adding new ideas that had nothing to do with the original KS. Former coworkers of his have gone public to say that he never finished any projects he started, he was all ideas but no execution. It has been discovered by community members that everything in older CoE videos (with the good graphics) and in the Kingdoms of Elyria (KoE) videos, are just assets purchased from the Unity store. The moderation team. Hoo boy. This was an absolute nightmare. One of the former community managers, username Caeltoiri, made a porn channel in the game's official Discord. A later community manager by the name of Serpentius would spy on community discords with alt accounts, dox community members, and attempted to file lawsuits and cease and desist letters against community members who expressed complaints against Souldbound Studios. Yesterday, in the class action discord, an admin posted screenshots of a private Q&A between Caspian and community members he refers to as his "loyalists". In this Q&A he states that the loyalists will have first access to all early builds of KoE and eventually CoE. One community member who is in the $10K club (which was promised early access to all builds) will not be able to play any of these builds because they aren't a "loyalist". Overall the whole thing has been a massive legal mess. The community had a lot of fun while it lasted, and it's referred to as the largest Discord role-playing game to have ever happened. It is more likely than not that the class action lawsuit will hold up in court, due to misuse of funds, such as not using the funds to actually work on CoE.

[@TorinR90]

Whoa! that sounds wild, to be fair it's friday night and I've been drinking but that sounds crazy. I'm way way too paranoid and frugal to invest in a Kickstarter personally so I really appreciate you sharing your info/insight. I don't have 15k to burn but I just cannot fathom dropping that kind of money on a video game... like an end of life trip to tokyo and hiring 2 escorts? abso-fuckin-lutely. but a game? no frickin way man Thanks for sharing! Hopefully you and your friend weren't impacted too deeply by the money lost

[@madstar44]

atleast on the one 10k non loyalist they might be able to get away with it by giving him an early access but not the earliest etc

[@chic-fil-ashouldopenonsund3623]

That part where u said big reason people paid money is gameplay features sounds awfully like those guys who buy the bored ape nfts because they get invited to exclusive parties.

[@brentonsmith3901]

@@chic-fil-ashouldopenonsund3623 I mean I guess I could see the similarities, but CoE culture and crypto/nft bro culture are extremely different. There definitely was some overlap, but CoE's role-playing aspects that the entire community engaged in was a very different dynamic from smaller assortments of nfts.

[@DawnOfTheOzz]

And I worry sometimes of wasting my money and yet here some people are willing to part with $10K just for some digital land in a game that doesn't even exist. You could spend all that cash on a shit-ton of Hot Wheels and they'd still be more tangible and real than anything in an MMO.

[@mattheusfinco7050]

I absolutely would buy those hot wheels

[@l1capricorn1l59]

@@mattheusfinco7050 me too hot wheels are cool

[@armouredjester1622]

You might even get lucky and the value of them goes up faster than inflation

[@pedropradacarciofi2517]

With that kind of money you could buy a real house (a shitty one, most likely an apartment)

[@TorinR90]

@@pedropradacarciofi2517 to be fair 10 grand would be a really decent down payment on a crackshack in most cities. Like not new york or LA, but like a city with more than 250k inhabitants, 10k would be the perfect downpayment on a "former" drugden 10/10 would definitely sink my money into a crack house again versus 0/10 Mmo ain't never gonna happen lol sorry, genuinely laughing at my own comment, drinking on a Friday night and youtube-ing the moistman makes for a very funny combo

[@rolorolan1459]

The one thing I never understood is how it progressively got worse, how is that possible

[@jonrambos1976]

The majority of the money was funneled into the creator's pockets. What else could be the reason?

[@nyrme2600]

It literally evolved backwards

[@BenRangel]

It's possible to end up with complex, buggy code and then it's often easier to rewrite it from scratch than to patch it up. It's also possible to downgrade. Tons of E3 games have a nice looking first gameplay teaser - and the final product ends up looking worse.

[@SlowestAround]

@@BenRangel This literally went from pleasant to look at all the way down to a roblox game

[@pedropradacarciofi2517]

@@BenRangel You'r giving this too much credit, I doubt they even programmed anything at all

[@jackmcmorrow9397]

im sorry, i know its rude, but i dont feel bad for anyone who's still enough of a chump to crowdfund an MMO. Major publishing companies all tried to make MMOs and 90% of them crashed and burned almost immediately. What makes you think some first timer shlub on kickstarter is gonna be able to pull this off?

[@goose95722]

True, there's been SO many attempts to create a new MMO, both by indie and triple A studios, soooo many have failed. I can only think of 5, maybe 6 who've actually been successful enough to stay alive.

[@protostnl6369]

At this point, a "developer" could literally say that the MMO that they're making is a scam and if you donate it, you're an idiot yet these dumbos would still donate their money to it

[@thedarklordx]

To be fair $8 million is enough to have made a great RPG or multiplayer survival game even if the MMO part failed.

[@PRIME-io1eu]

Warehouse studios did it, they created best RPG in my opinion, KCD

[@jackmcmorrow9397]

@@thedarklordx the budget means nothing if your game is headed by inexperienced goons.

[@ohuvi2]

Imagine actually donating to a kickstarter campaign

[@anapple1220]

Yeah too broke for that

[@abeydaby16]

@@anapple1220 me too brother

[@pin9326]

What about the Friday Night Funkin game

[@ladyhaha7548]

i would donate if its actually worth it

[@Myusername499]

I mean if you didn't wanted the money you can always burn it or give it to the homeless they need more drugs

[@roll1ng421]

That guy paying 10k to be king is a sadder royal story than that with the invisible clothes

[@TheFireNeox]

Several people paid 10k, one guy paid 20k

[@toi_let954]

Honestly if he paid 10k to back a MMO on Kickstarter he's probably well off and is still doing just fine

[@screweddevelopment12]

That Kickstarter pitch sounded like a KZbin parody for a purposely terrible video game Kickstarter pitch

[@Kaiji...]

The creator of Stardew Valley makes these guys look pathetic, and that's just 1 guy making everything... these people have a WHOLE TEAM.

[@Kaiji...]

@ROG Thanks Captain Obvious

[@justchill1617]

@ROG you didnt get the point lol

[@MonkeGeorge]

I don't know if that's an argument against these people specifically as it is against any sub-par game made by a large team

[@kilose6527]

@ROG He never said it was, he said that one person made Stardew Valley while a whole team made Chronicles of Elyria and that Chronicles of Elyria is still way worse.

[@kc3d777]

the guy who made Stardew Valley was a really smart and did a very good job creating a lot of content scaled to what he could actually feasibly deliver. there is nothing technically crazy or innovative about stardew in the gameplay or graphics but he was very skilled in maximizing the charm and fun of the gameplay loop. These guys went for the flashiest key words and had 0 idea how to deliver on any of it. realistic graphics, huge decision trees and maintaining mmo servers is waaaaaaaaay more complicated and difficult to do then what they had the resources and skill for.

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

"When a game says that it's innovative, I know that it's not" They hated Jesus because he told them the truth

[@vitvitcher2782]

193 people just couldn't handle the truth

[@whtismyname3286]

@Deniz Metin T. true

[@whtismyname3286]

@Deniz Metin T. Ya

[@MemePulse]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4SxcpSupaiboqM

[@Nocomment552]

Why are you in every comment section???

[@HobbesHobbiton]

Since people fall for microtransactions, all of these MMO scams don't surprise me.

[@pronick619]

im not one to buy microtransactions, but I understand people who do because at least you know you are getting something for your money. Those kickstarter scam is just throwing money out the window

[@patximartel]

there's no falling for microtransactions. Is an in game item that can be purchased, there's nothing behind it unless it's Fallout 76

[@MemePulse]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4SxcpSupaiboqM

[@karhammer]

@@patximartel There's manipulative techniques, thought out by literal psychologists utilized in order to make more people, especially vulnerable and gullible children, more enticed to buy overpriced and useless products, which could be considered extremely immoral and let's not talk about loot boxes lmao. Not really illegal, but they're shitty and mostly unnecessary in AAA games as they could just be unlockables instead.

[@patximartel]

@@karhammer it's an awful business practice. But I wouldn't call it a scam. They give you what they offer.

[@sirdurtle9519]

It actually doesn't look terrible. If it wasn't funded for 8 MILLION DOLLARS it might have actually been successful

[@Xiaara_Quala]

If you are talking about the settlement builder part, do keep in mind that according to the dev himself at the moment you basically can't do anything in the game at this point. The NPC's apparently do have a system in place to take care of their needs but, they never get thirsty in settlements and while they can hunt for food they can't cook so they won't take care of that. They can't actually at the moment do any gathering of recources since there is no storage place. There is no tasks that they can do to use recources since things like smithies and wood working buildings are not in the game. This means that the NPC's are just idling there forever (might change in the Alpha but honestly don't expect it) the player character can gather materials like stone and branches and fruit but again can't use them. Animal AI as far as I have seen is not working so they are stuck in place. Buildings have absolutly no function besides keeping fog away and at the moment you can't build more. The fog is something they worked long on and still doesn't work, he wanted a fog that.. well works like any fog of war, once you visited a place you will see what it looks like but not the changes that happened there unless you go there again. So, in this "game" so far you can.... tell your character to gather stone or wood and do nothing with it (and this is according to the dev diary video).

[@DecayedPony]

It would also look good if it was 2003

[@timtimjr3654]

@@Xiaara_Quala ?

[@thedofoshow5148]

Are you serious?

[@skeletonbuyingpealts7134]

@@DecayedPony Maybe up to 2008. As one of those pre packaged games I mean.

[@ischysyt]

The reason all these are MMO's is that people are unimaginably hungry for a good MMORPG game that they can enjoy with their friends and/or random people they meet on the game like most did when they were like 12 years old. I know many people like me that never had that much of a fun from a MMORPG game since then. This also makes a lot of people go back and try playing the super old dead MMORPG games that used to be mainstream like 10-15 years ago. It's such a sad state for MMORPG players to be honest, we want the old school fun, but since technology is progressed a lot, we don't want them to be like the old games either, but at the same time we don't like the new ones either. I wonder if there ever will be one that we can satisfy ourselves.

[@Sickling3]

Someone actually understands and says what no one(which is everyone actually) wants to admit.

[@getsouped]

this is incredibly real 😔 i was a 2000s kid that grew up on mmos, mostly disney ones, but the build a bear one was always my favourite (everyone talks about rs scams, no one talks about the bearville trading scams i used to have to deal with and committed a few of), also moshi monsters was fun for a period of time . now at my ripe old age (/s) of 21 the only mmo type game i enjoy is the ponytown 18+ server, both because i like the nostalgia after being a mlp fan and because peoples convos there r kinda batshit insane and fun to silently watch . i wish i knew of a club penguin reboot that wasnt ridden with scandals, or just a generally good, active mmo that has some sort of appeal besides being a scam that charlie covers. theres apparently a reboot of pirates online that i might check out and you guys also might like, the pirates of the caribbean mmo was my favourite of the disney ones and still holds the biggest appeal to me, artistically i think it aged better than games like toontown (toontown is still a masterpiece tho)

[@overdrivedrinker8284]

So far, FFXIV has succeeded in filling the void that old school WoW left in me. I was raised on World of Warcraft and before that it was City of Heroes. Final Fantasy XIV, in my opinion, is just a better WoW and I’ve been having the time of my life playing it for the last several months

[@mightytigah1232]

Uh... Plenty of MMORPGs are still beyond amazin to this day. Guild Wars 2, ESO, Warframe, FFXIV, WoW, etc etc. You sound like someone who's never played an MMORPG ever lmao.

[@adamgerald849]

Nope

[@AdamGlory]

Even if this weren't apparently a scam, they'd still lose me at the "no fast travel."

[@MemePulse]

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[@joshuaromani4241]

People liked wow classic and theres no fast travel

[@Sekaa95]

@@joshuaromani4241 there is tho, flying routes.

[@leetbus]

@@Sekaa95 underground train from storm wind to iron forge

[@bigbalticbox]

@@joshuaromani4241 If you even decided to play the game at any point since release you'd know how horrendously wrong you are...

[@mrkglsr]

Imagine being the one guy tasked with making this whole game with the promise they’d hire other people and just getting screwed over

[@officialcxmatxse7853]

I’m surprised more homeless people don’t start fake kickstarters

[@MemePulse]

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[@Type75Advance]

@@MemePulse the focc are you

[@ZachPlum]

@@Type75Advance Either a bot or alternate account self-promoting in good KZbinr's comment sections

[@Type75Advance]

@@ZachPlum it is a bot Meme Pulse repost this in every comments that I saw on this video

[@officialcxmatxse7853]

@@theartillery9724 almost every homeless person you see has a smartphone in their pocket

[@Caydiem]

They wanted to create an entire MMO within a single year. How did anyone ever fall for this?

[@IrisCorven]

Imagine making a Kickstarter game, garnering backing, exceeding your goal, and then telling the backers... "GREAT JOB GUYS. NOW HERE'S HOPING SOME DEVS ACTUALLY WANT TO HELP US MAKE IT, AMIRITE?"

[@andrewkelley9405]

This is why I don’t give money to anyone until after the product has been released.

[@dakotajensen181]

Even then you should wait another 1 to 2 months to let people die or kill others and write their reviews while/after using said product and you dont have to learn the hard way lmao

[@thisaccountisntreal107]

It's kind of insane that video games expect you to pay money before seeing the product

[@MemePulse]

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[@disu317]

@@thisaccountisntreal107 that's why demos are a thing

[@thisaccountisntreal107]

@@disu317 you can still buy a game after playing the demo only to find the second half is lacking in content I can't see an easy solution but it's not a user friendly market I haven't bought a game less than 3 months passed release in like a decade so I guess that's my personal solution

[@snowypixa]

Innovative games are never really innovative, it’s becoming a regular thing at this point

[@jipph2238]

0r are they?

[@tarotsushima3332]

@@jipph2238 When a game advertises itself as 'groundbreaking' and 'innovative' chances are they're a bunch of scams. And even if they somehow release a game, it's definitely not going to be anywhere near as good as the devs or fans hyped it up to be, ie Cyberpunk.

[@dakotajensen181]

Buzzwords to make it sound gud

[@MemePulse]

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[@jipph2238]

@@tarotsushima3332 Lol I was trying to vsauce type of thing

[@IneptOrange]

My dad and his brother were unfortunate souls who invested in this game. They still believe to this day that it will release despite all evidence against it. I think my uncle has spent at least a grand on it so far.

[@lemonywater2979]

I assume your college fund is gone now then lmao

[@Strype13]

Wait, it was an MMORPG for over a decade, and just recently became that dumpy village builder out of nowhere? That's feckin' hilarious.

[@Ridley369]

It's not a village builder, it's still a shitty MMO.

[@StylizedStation]

Berry Collection Simulator

[@RobertoDeMundo]

charlie has 2 stages: rapid blinking no blinking

[@MemePulse]

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[@RobertoDeMundo]

@@MemePulse bitch i cant even drive yet

[@rebelfriend8817]

Why are MMO Kickstarter scams such a recurring theme lmao

[@tago_t2226]

Where is Kickstarter Crap when we need them

[@acatfrompoland5230]

Scammers see that it works so they try it themselves and people are funding over confident developers

[@tarotsushima3332]

Because gamers are a new target when it comes to scams because of whales and use of FOMO, especially the MMO community considering how rare it is to get an overall legendary game so whenever any schmuck touts their MMO as innovative, there's bound to be some suckers buying it.

[@estooo]

My head canon tells me that the original developers wanted to pull a Sword Art Online then they couldn't so they just made a shitty game.

[@MemePulse]

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[@estooo]

@@MemePulse I don't wanna watch your wack ass content

[@norasyikinali6283]

I think SAO starts publishing in 2011 iirc? This whole thing starts 2 years before that.

[@jefferythibodeaux5573]

“Just buy it when it comes out”is how I feel about every game that gets a preorder

[@Andre-vt4np]

The low graphics type actually is good if they could just lower their standards and have a clear vision, a playbase type mmo like albion but a roleplayish type would be great.

[@bigdoggo5827]

6million dollars get you this. A hat in time got way less than 500k and look at that game

[@edit3891]

Yeah if it didn't take millions of dollars it would be great. I swear the people that will actually pull this kind of thing off won't be crowd funded, they'll make smaller games, accrue enough money to fund an MMO to the state where it's working and promising, even if it doesn't have all the features, and earn funding to work on it, not something like Kickstarter where they money it just dumped on them and they aren't encouraged to work on it but something more like Pateron and funded by people smart enough to know that they should stop supporting them if they stop seeing progress.

[@RodWaffle]

God I love albions art style

[@blackredd6563]

That’s one of the most super villain beards I’ve seen in a while

[@RizeUp8083]

I give it a day before this mmo officially launches

[@alexnoman1498]

Given his prophecy skills... xD

[@erycknovaes1420]

Only board games are worth donating to on kickstarter

[@ProBotGamming]

How does a game have worse graphics than old school RuneScape…

[@infernousignatios9967]

It's because the way the game was being developed what was seen was the core of the game that when done would run in the background tracking all motion and inputs while on your screen you would get the overlay with the finished graphics overhaul kind of like skyrim and the mods people released to make it look better.

[@JPTG717]

The first few seconds of this had me dying, the way Charlie types like a hacker in a movie is priceless

[@KevG]

Runescape > Everything this was trying to be

[@PURENT]

Runescape > every MMO ever to exist in the world.

[@heromedley]

albion > runescape

[@diskeyes]

@@heromedley L

[@yuhyuh5674]

@@heromedley L

[@galaxyvulture6649]

@@PURENT Final fantasy 14 might fight u on that especially with their expansions

[@epicjohnny4831]

To be honest, at least if they they had their ownership in NFTs they could have sold them off earlier, but someone would still have been left holding the bag = scam

[@MemePulse]

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[@skeletonbuyingpealts7134]

@@MemePulse kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKjRlHSHqtefp80

[@infinateminer65]

It seems to me like the developers weren’t prepared for the work that was required and they got hate from the fans for not being able to keep up with the schedule, the company should have been honest with the fans but they decided to keep quiet and it just led to this big legal mess. Unfortunate I feel like this game could have really been something under the right circumstances.

[@Danganraptor]

It's like No Man's Sky or 2077, but at least those two have the hope of bouncing back.

[@CrazyGaming-ig6qq]

"I feel like this game could have really been something under the right circumstances." Yeah, I feel like I could have probably also been a successful billionaire under the right circumstances, but alas, the circumstances were not right, and here I am, dirt poor. If only the circumstances had been right....

[@brandoncarlson1565]

If like to see a Kickstarter where each tier just says “Nothing. Absolutely nothing.” Just to see how well it would do.

[@zeffe8149]

Finally a video from you Charlie , my parents are arguing and my dad is an alcoholic and my mom is a batshit crazy feminist, I don't know who to follow , the only reason they're not divorcing yet is bc me and my sister are too young and they know it would change us , still , great way to cope

[@rinrinring]

Sheeeesh. I hope this awful situation ends soon.

[@MemePulse]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4SxcpSupaiboqM Worth the click :)

[@bokbok9501]

Tell them to divorce

[@worstchannel1226]

Shovel Knights funding 300,000 - Great game. Scam that got 8 mill - The best game

[@tri_wjbu]

I didnt know Shovel Knight was a kickstarter project

[@joaopeixoto6224]

@@tri_wjbu hollow knight too Silksong was made bcs they got X donations and the dlcs too

[@tri_wjbu]

@@joaopeixoto6224 the more you know

[@savamihajlovic1445]

@@tri_wjbu Undertale was a kickstarter too

[@Ludzig]

So was Halo

[@kornicoo]

never trust a game project that claims to be “innovative”

[@oliveroates]

Come buy my game, where we do nothing you haven’t seen before

[@huh3424]

Oliver Oates take my money

[@ivangomezprado434]

Take Cybertrash 2077 for instance

[@garrettgarner438]

Innovative, immersive, groundbreaking, revolutionary, and ambitious are words that are actually red flags for a game that’s going to be garbage.

[@MonkeGeorge]

@@oliveroates with how many people live and breathe "ironic" humor, I wouldn't doubt that many people would love an advertisement where a spokesperson shit on their own game

[@craftergamer9058]

The saddest part of COE is some of the fans still believe it isn’t a scam.

[@stevesabba2379]

"the enemy has way better gear than me, but he's old so i get to kite and kill him as i am 22 years old and he is 70."

[@drewsims3823]

This and other reasons is why you should never donate to a kickstarter

[@randomname1234-n6k]

i mean good things have been kickstarted, think about Hollow Knight and ori.

[@MemePulse]

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[@Dzeividz]

Kingdom come deliverance was kickstarted and is one of my favorite games, such a masterpiece.

[@fungberto5562]

alot of great things come from kickstarters, you just have to be careful and know when you should hold off and when to help fund, games like eco, ori, Hollow Knight, etc have been kick starters at one point

[@tiajoseph7309]

Which is sad, because there are some guinine people out there who use Kickstarter to help pay for medical bills and funerals. And then we have the degenerates who lie about those things, thus taking away trust from the ones who are being honest.

[@carlomaster1o596]

This would be a good game for the Fast and Furious series Since they prioritize FAMILY over everything

[@tago_t2226]

Where's Kickstarter Crap when We need them the most

[@TheL0rd0fSpace]

6:24 I think a good barometer for good kickstarters isn't when they promise the world, but when they promise a very small, focused project. I don't think a small studio could deliver a full mmo like this, especially one that's trying to be this innovative. I do believe that games like Darkest Dungeon, Wasteland 2, or FTL would be deliverable, however.

[@MegaChickenfish]

old school runescape actually just released two new agility courses in the revamped Shayzien area along with the new quest. Yes, count them, TWO agility courses. osrs > elyria. It's settled.

[@wifflwaffl1130]

This sounds exactly like something I'd think of when I was in bed when I was 12

Imagine paying all that money and just getting an "I owe you" in the mail

[@felenov]

Meanwhile Factorio: almost no money and then takes off.

[@nolanfaught6974]

One of my discord mates plays factorio and it does look fun

[@felenov]

@@nolanfaught6974 It's electronic crack cocaine. 2000 hours spent

[@deadhelix]

I don’t understand how people fall for these mmo scams when an mmo game that actually functions is never made by a small team, and if there is any that are successful they probably have runescape graphics because no small team is gonna make an enormous world for thousands of players, let alone make it good.

[@ScaredDonut]

6:08 as a beginner program that means they wanted someone with 20 years of experience for about 15% of what the market pays currently on average.

[@infamousdword3198]

So essentially it’s BitLife but a fantasy MMO

[@R3D_Saintan]

Here comes my favorite poet on the internet.

[@HTCaveman]

I remember being SO hyped when this was announced. This dug up memories.

[@squidwardtenticals2451]

Geremy: " Mail System " Me: * Skyrim courier flashbacks *

[@Ron-ew1dz]

anxiety is a paradox

[@EtherealMystic]

Should never trust kickstarter

[@silverhawk8699]

Officer Greg is diving into the game scandal rabbit hole so he can liberate gamers from scams

[@SewerTapes]

I like how they put the girl in their kickstarter video jus to prove they know one.

[@OrigamiAhsoka]

“Does anything happen in this game?” Of course it does, characters eventually die!

[@kamcio8586]

i'd also say that "they're all mmo's" also because mmo's are quite hard to do. Both team & resource heavy to make. Other game types can at least be somehow just good enough not to be marked as a scam, but just as a poor project. ...but also mmo's are quite an intriguing fantasy to make them, so from the game developer perspective, it's easy to fall in that trap ^^ I'd presume that most of these projects really wanted to make a game, but they just had no idea what they're doing at all

[@IckbobTheAwesome]

Nah, it’s all just “hey this is a cool idea let’s see if I can sell it” they never have a plan or any actual intention of making a game/product

[@danielshore1457]

@Riyad Harun you always see that with kickstarter games, they always try to put every single feature they want to at the start of the game when they should just make a game that works, like they could have just made a game that you can play has an open world and such with combat, have the nobility system in it for some role play stuff. Then you just update it and build upon that game. For example No Man's Sky although they promised everything the game release was disappointing because it was empty but they have built upon it and improved it you know what an update should be.

[@neok1yte494]

I feel like we need a kickstarter games tierlist

[@alexnoman1498]

There's so many good ones! You just never hear of them because they get finished and released on steam like any other game would :)

[@enashimo]

Undertale, Shovel Knight and Hollow Knight would be easy S tier

[@XplosiveSRG]

if Charlie posts it’s worth watching early

[@SilverZealot]

I personally know a discord server with former "dukes" etc... The reality is a lot of these people are close to their 30s or above, and got scammed out of a ton of money. Really sad, honestly.

[@chaosincarnate7304]

That sucks bruh. Imagine hitting 30+, just wanting to have some fun with life in a cool looking game and to experience the wonders of modern technology, only to get scammed out of thousands of dollars.

[@PearlSnce]

MMO : says it's innovative Josh Strife Hayes : "so you've chosen death"

[@mosstdev]

Small kickstarters and kickstarters made by smaller more reputable businesses are actually pretty trustworthy. I’ve backed a couple small pins and Starkid play and they all seem pretty trustworthy and have kept us updated if they haven’t already delivered

[@TheKrazyKitsune]

I remember when this first was announced. The concept seemed cool that you could pass down traits to offspring but I literally went....watch them run off with the money like every kickstarter that's overly successful. It happens with almost every kickstarter that makes that much more then they project, they run and churn out a steaming turd.

[@rohanbawkar5619]

The Parkour animation looked like they took it straight out of one of San andreas mods.

[@zynk7125]

It's so weird the stuff people invest in

[@Kitbats]

welp, I guess when ur bored and got a bunch of money I guess it yields to that.

[@sanityslayer5291]

people would probably invest money into a hovering mouse

[@Orert]

@@sanityslayer5291 I would to be honest.

[@sanityslayer5291]

@@Orert bro how would that even work wouldn’t it like push down when you click it

[@Orert]

@@sanityslayer5291 magnetic physics.

[@SmileyTheJester]

It's literally third person blade and sorcery. At 2:36 you can see the blade and sorcery map called "The Market"

[@poxeytheburgertarian]

Lol when you realize undertale had a kickstarter.

[@gianrcarlo]

I’m sure his chat probably let him know at some point, but there’s been a lot of successful crowdfunded games that turned out to be big hits. Pillars of Eternity, Divinity Original Sin 1 and 2, Hollow Knight, Shovel Knight, Squad and Darkest Dungeon to name a few. That being said, Kickstarter is still also fool of a bunch of shitty game or scams as well. The consumer just needs to be savvy enough and do their research before giving away their money.

[@Slomowo]

True, but pretty much all successful crowdfunded games are not MMOs.

[@gianrcarlo]

@@Slomowo true true. But he asked if any Kickstarter games delivered so I thought I’d name a few for people in the comments. But yeah MMO is a HUGE red flag for a crowd-funded game

[@VladimirPigeon]

SHENMUE 3 is missing from that list SMH you uncultured casual gamer. ShEnMuE 3 is the greatest work of art of this generation you don't understand the work of art that it is.

[@diddlypoop]

Damn, really ain't even gonna mention Undertale.

[@gianrcarlo]

@@diddlypoop it wasn’t meant to be a complete list lol, but yes Undertale may be one of the greatest of them all

[@billyclark6187]

It’s so crazy because there’s like… different worlds of Kickstarter. You’ve got the video game and shitty knick-knack side where you’re just as likely to get ripped off but meanwhile over on the board game/tabletop side of things where I tend to hang out life is good.

[@alexnoman1498]

Printing colour onto cardboard and putting other coloured cardboard inside doesn't require engineers with networking experience ;) There's a linear scaling between money put in and game boxes being shipped. And that's not how video games work.

[@billyclark6187]

@@alexnoman1498 I never really compared how they’re made though? I’m not just talking about the blunders like the mega man game I can’t remember the name up, I’m just talking the amount of shit like this that scams people vs the amount of good tabletop content Kickstarter manages to churn out.

[@fatherWolt]

"Are they *blank* to avoid being sued" Yes.

[@toffeelatte6042]

Also that class action lawsuit was thrown out this month. RIP.

[@Themaxxrad99]

I love watching these because without them I might actually be duped by one of these, as my kickstarter success rate is 100% but I only backed one project and it was Chaos Reborn. Wonderful game reimagine from an old classic I love great game dont regret getting it. Recomend looking into it of you like fantasy or chess.

[@es-hl7oc]

Imagine if hollow knight got crowd funded 8m dollars

[@gandalfbaggins2179]

If it did we would be playing zotesong 3 right now

[@bretthon2250]

“When a games says that it’s Innovative … I know it’s not.”

[@MemePulse]

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