Huge Honey Lawsuit

[@joehoardical]

“You’re gonna Pay, Pal” - Legal Eagle, probably

[@RandomName641-z4c]

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[@RandomName641-z4c]

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[@ethanhambert8732]

Ba dum tss 🥁

[@RandomName641-z4c]

‬‭‮‬‭‮ era ega ,ailihpodeꝐ ezilamroN just a number, just because it is illegal doesn't mean it is morally wrong! (check about me) /./././

[@oooeee5556]

"You've raided the legends in the shadow"

[@lolbro6942]

"In fact it's not allegedly, it's a fact... in my opinion. " -Charlie masterfully avoiding a lawsuit 😂

[@adamfromearth5641]

i thought that as well lol

[@urbainleverrier1]

It's a simple spell, but quite unbreakable

[@GenkiMadGaming]

​@urbainleverrier1 "then I'll take it off your corpse" -squidward

[@MajinMist603]

Charlie himself could try to join in the muticlass lawsuit because he used honey and most likely gotten money taken away from him …. Nothing they could do

[@OVOJacob3]

@@MajinMist603 Thats something a broke person would do he didn’t even get scammed

[@Masterofxtreme93]

"you cant sue us, that's illegal" says the company doing illegal shit

[@funniebunnie0427]

They called "nuh uhn"😂😂😂

[@CantTellYou]

@@funniebunnie0427 “takes one to know one” and they’re rubber but their opponents are glue

[@minamotokaruko5574]

>Says the company skimming bank credentials and having such shit security they are just hemorrhaging bank accounts and personal information to the dark web every minute

[@S3R1ALGDreal]

​@@CantTellYou yooo its CantTellYou

[@MrDollgramOfficial]

Mfs putting "you can't sue us" in the tos, as they do sue worthy things

[@artisanmain]

I remember hearing that a group I liked lost a sponsorship because literally nobody used their affiliate link I really wonder if honey was the direct reason they lost it, they have a few hundred thousand subscribers so zero people seems insane.

[@groundcretin]

was that sleep deprived by any chance?

[@artisanmain]

@ yeah.

[@groundcretin]

@@artisanmain yeah I thought that too when they joked about it. but at the same time i personally am not buying manscaped and I’m not sure if i know many people that would

[@FreshCutSIim]

The "Honey" was high fructose corn syrup all along

[@MegaVbnv]

I shouldn't be laughing this hard

[@NegitoroIsBestShip]

That’s a good one!

[@maygonzalez4249]

Poetic

[@scrapeddiamonds5776]

is corn syrup that deadly?

[@bigschmill294]

​@@scrapeddiamonds5776 it's not that good for you, especially high fructose corn syrup

[@wonderlandian13]

Honey is now promoting ‘ pie ‘ an adblocker which seems fairly similar to honey. Just wanted to throw it out there

[@Raven621x]

It seems fairly similar because it has the same creator lol - hit their 'about us' page.

[@michaelmoorrees3585]

Not owned by Paypal, yet. Same creator of Honey, but yes, a scam.

[@FloofyVixen]

I was wondering why that was being so aggressively pushed- thank god I have an adblocker that blocks the "adblocker"

[@wonderlandian13]

@@michaelmoorrees3585 ah my bad , I saw the pie : by honey and just kinda assumed it was through paypal

[@inlovewithmusic2121]

I knew those had to be related lol thanks

[@tommy8716]

You failed to mention the opportunity cost lost for creators. A youtuber might have lost future work with a sponsorship because that sponsorship decided not to sponsor them again due to numbers not performing as well as they would've liked. When in reality, honey could've just been taking those customers.

[@DamianQualshy]

depends if the new sponsors would realize that honey was doing this and they could only look at previous sponsorships?

[@KoopaRipper-dk8sz]

Lil bro was born in 2025. you missed peak Fortnite☝️☝️☝️

[@nuorigin]

It's EVERYONE who sells online!

[@freewind6368]

⁠@@DamianQualshythat brings in question, if u are a small time creator and this if ur first or maybe 2nd or 3rd sponsorship, so if other sponsors are only looking at how many people previously clicked before. Then wouldn’t honey be harming way more people if that’s the case?

[@DamianQualshy]

@freewind6368 definitely, yeah, but I don't know how sponsorships work so can't be absolutely sure

[@Mila-Coffey]

I love how the phrase "you can't sue us" appears in all uppercase. Very professional.

[@Lohfilter]

what is that pfp 😭

[@julioramos8085]

@@Lohfilterit’s a bot 😪

[@smug_baboon]

@@Lohfilter Its such a normal pfp tf are you talking about

[@Shadowkiing]

@@Lohfilter your pfp is perfect for this

[@jefferydeanmorganwife]

@smug_baboon it’s a bot, have a look at the other comments made by that acc

[@RSanchez111]

I work for a company that makes money from affiliate commissions, and now I'm wondering how much money we lost to Honey even never having anything to do with them.

[@tylerhartley5031]

Sorry to hear that honey

[@RandomYT05_01]

Request they join in the lawsuit. Or hire some goons to get their money back mafia style.

[@joeshmoe8827]

GOON

[@CallMeMimi27]

I don't have anything like that and I feel like I lost money to honey

[@spytf2203]

@@joeshmoe8827 GOONING!??!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?1

[@tylerwells5750]

Im going to put "You legally have to pay me $1000 right now, and you cant sue me ever" into my software's terms of service

[@Jefferino1093]

You should add “you must ’you must pay every time you agree to the site ToS” then mak em them agree to the ToS every time they join as well as make them agree to you being able to automatically transfer money to your wallet.

[@AuthEarth]

@Jefferino1093yeah say that it’s processing costs. Ez

[@KayJay940]

Thats called licencing. If you buy something like enterprise licence for Visual Studio etc thats exactly how it works. But youre also not paying for the app youre paying for the microsoft contact number that picks up the phone.

[@MrJoshy]

That sounds like Adobe

[@CantTellYou]

Follow the Disneyfold Path

[@BijuuMike]

they really need to look into pie is well, they are aggressively marketing that as being one of the creators of honey. What's odd is i thought KZbin was against ad blockers yet this pie marketing is all over the site.

[@beequeen2556]

Holy shit it’s bjm. Grew up on ur vids man, great stuff :)

[@diablocomp]

hi bijuu

[@avp_youtube]

idk why people would install pie when one of the creators come from a well known scam. always do your research.

[@Pseudomonis]

What better way to get people to flock to Pie, than for YT to be vehemently "against" ad blockers? I wouldn't be surprised if YT was getting a nice big slice of Pie's revenue. It would be another "perfect" scam. Step 1: Claim to be against ad blockers, which drives your ad inundated users to seek out any ad blocker, that's available. Step 2: Endorse an ad blocker, on your site, causing people to flock to it. Step 3: Sit back and rake in all of that "user money" that they didn't want to give you, from watching your ads. Either way, YT gets your money.

[@slashcake6045]

What the hell are you doin here Mike?

[@JeshuaHicksAuthor]

Gotta love how that "you can't sue us" part is in all caps. So professional.

[@michaelthayer5351]

The case he's referring to is a wrongful death case being brought before Disney for a woman who died from a severe allergic reaction at a Disney resort after repeatedly telling staff she was allergic and to not add the ingredient to her meal and they did anyway. Disney's lawyers tried to claim that the lawsuit was invalid because the family had Disney+, where there's Terms and Conditions that all disputes are to be settled by arbitration. The Court however, threw that out because no reasonable person would assume signing up for Disney+ means Disney has immunity for getting them killed.

[@janinaschmitt5562]

Thats last part is not true, Disney retracked their request for arbitration after major public backlash, but this question was never actually settled in court.

[@Grumptr0nix]

That's the one ^

[@yelenavvv]

I know Disney being evil isn’t new, but man that’s evil.

[@michaelthayer5351]

@janinaschmitt5562 Really, I thought I heard it'd been thrown out. Either way Disney's legal team shoulda known better.

[@jorgeporras9262]

Almost all of this is wrong one way or the other. LegalEagle himself explains on a video. TL;DW: Disney wanted to force arbitration (which is usually fast and involves settling for money) instead of a legal battle, because legal action should have been taken against the restaurant instead. Disney doesn't own or even manage anything about the restaurant themselves, they just lease the land and feature them on their webpage. The guy tried to involve Disney by using the fact that the restaurant's allergen-free claims featured in Disney's webpage. Which is why Disney tried to use the terms of a digital service like Disney+ to force arbitration instead. So it wasn't as frivolous as it seems, people just thought it was because Disney are kind of an evil megacorp.

[@garbuckle3000]

The TOS doesn't even matter because Honey steals the affiliate commission regardless of whether the affiliate has done any business with Honey or not. Creators who never even heard of Honey are affected; they never agreed to any Honey TOS. It may be more difficult for a consumer who installed the extension to file a suit, but it's fair game for creators/affiliates.

[@Sam-jc5no]

For the part of affiliate stealing, those who make money via providing affiliate links can go legally. End consumers also got a case here, since honey allegedly partnered with sellers and prevented consumer from getting best discount coupon. I don't know how many law suits are incoming. Brace yourself, payapal.

[@EnclavegovtofficialUSA]

yeah, but anyone who used the service can't sue for false advertising in a class action lawsuit

[@GrandCaptainSpeedyDashGames]

Honey will use it to try and dismiss anyone in the lawsuit that has used Honey.

[@ShneekeyTheLost]

Yea, the class isn't comprised of individuals using the ToS, they're not the users bringing suit, they never signed the ToS, so what might be in it is entirely pointless.

[@Nemesis9K]

Nothing will come out of this… always a loophole for titans like this.

[@zombiexpanda]

at around 4:00 , its even funnier actually. If you manually put in a better coupon code for like dominos or subway, theres a chance that they'd overwrite your better coupon with the worse deal.

[@jaqsre]

oh wow that’s great! /s

[@dbptwg]

The Domino coupons made it dead obvious from the start that honey was garbage. So many of us had been using the 25% coupon for a decade

[@Crow_Smith]

I had both Honey and Swagbucks, Swagbucks usually had a coupon that worked for Pizza, Honey NEVER did. But Honey offered "Activate me and get 8%-15% back as Honey Gold." - So I'd do that. My coupon still worked as intended BUT the Honey gold? Never came. I had honey for like 4 years, never got above 200 gold. No matter what I did or clicked, no matter what they suggested. I eventually just ignored Honey - not sure why I ever kept it honestly lol. Meanwhile every cashback I've had work was Swagbucks. And I'm sure if I looked I'd find out they're just as bad or something, but still....

[@beinerthchitivamachado9892]

There's still one thing I don't understand. When Charlie says even if Honey doesn't find a coupon it sends a popup to get the last click and puts in their affiliate link. If there's no discount, how would they get money from the purchase?

[@Jartran72]

Well that id the scam part.. They overwrite the affiliate cookie with their own That is how they get the money by doing nothing.

[@WendyApryl]

"allegedly, except its not alleged, its factually a scam! *in my opinion* "0:12

[@Strikedude]

no shit

[@CMAKdaSILLY]

Wow

[@AD-zo8ib]

We watched the video dog

[@el.chill.4]

​@@AD-zo8ib you're so cool man

[@cyanide_stew]

Bot

[@MoonWielder]

Barry B. Benson after learning about the apiculture industry:

[@whole_wheat_soup9321]

"guys, help legal eagle win the lawsuit against honey and PayPal or you're FIRED!"

[@razzles5170]

How oddly specific 😭

[@whole_wheat_soup9321]

wait wrong Benson 😂

[@charliethechunkygamer1257]

"They are committing fraud and robbing the damn bees , what next taxing milk from cows ? "- Seinfeld probably

[@Skiddull]

You know who else is committing wire fraud?

[@JourneysADRIFT]

Everyone knows Legal Eagle but shoutout to Attorney Tom & America's Attorney. Both are also on the suit and have made awesome content on here for many years.

[@JourneysADRIFT]

America's Attorney is a sleeper channel, bro has 30k subs but has made really well done and informative videos for a hot min. Attorney Tom is something special, Bros a bit odd but something so down to earth and real about his content.

[@khromatickarma]

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[@JamesQMurphy]

@@JourneysADRIFT I found America's Attorney through the Attorney Reacts channel, which was started by Attorney Tom. Good stuff.

[@xanderdelion]

Also the one with the cats, I forgot his name but he's very KZbinrs - knowledgeable too, and he seems like a very sweet person.

[@mmrchive]

​@@JourneysADRIFT fr. Found out about America's Attorney way back when Coffeezilla released the Cryptozoo investigation series. Underrated, but absolutely goated. Took me by surprise when he, Legal Eagle, and Attorney Tom decided to team-up against Honey, and if I'm not mistaken, AA was the one who announced first. 2025 starting off strong.

[@silv3r7ongue97]

I want all the puns in the world during this trial if it goes to court.. “ain’t so sweet now, eh buster”

[@RandomName641-z4c]

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[@JustaHarmfulguy]

🤣🤣😂😂

[@antmaster360]

Got yourself into a sticky situation

[@glooze]

Kiss your honey goodbye.

[@RandomName641-z4c]

@DontReadMyPicture425 😂😂🎉🎉

[@moonshineaudios5740]

10:43 Disney literally did that. A guy’s partner died from an allergic reaction due to Disneys neglect and they wanted to sue, but Disney says if you have Disney+ you legally can’t sue Disney for anything. RIDICULOUS.

[@RollcageTV]

One point to note: the Terms of Service DO NOT MATTER for this lawsuit! The ToS is between the Honey user and PayPal. Your grandmother (or Wendover Productions) DID NOT "SIGN" that ToS. Your grandmother had a contract with Tupperware, NOT PayPal or the Honey user. (I've seen an online lawyer get this wrong twice, and it's driving me crazy 🤪.)

[@femurbomb]

I don't trust the words of someone who doesn't know that terms of service like that aren't legally binding

[@poran_dip]

also this goes much deeper. honey isn't just stealing from "creators" and "blogs", they're also stealing from free platforms like youtube themselves. if you buy something from an ad on youtube, cookies are saved recognizing youtube as the referrer. then same story, when you use honey last click, they override it. this one's gonna be a honey vs the world type shi

[@RollcageTV]

@@femurbomb Binding or not, the point is it doesn't matter.

[@thatstranger6114]

Most of this information is irrelevant anyway since all of the clauses like this in a "ToS" aren't actionable. Any legal contract is still subject to written laws and cannot subvert your legal rights.

[@DanLe-vr9cj]

Why did Sam catch a stray there?

[@R3_dacted0]

It doesn't matter what their TOS says when the majority of impacted parties never agreed to it. An affiliate with no connection to Honey can still have their commission stolen by Honey without their knowledge. Without knowledge of Honey, they wouldn't have agreed to the TOS and therefore not be bound by it.

[@GCOSBenbow]

Moreover, as cookie stuffing is an illegal activity (its definitely a form of fraud) TOS does not cover them. All the language covering their arbitration clause instantly becomes null and void (as it also states in their TOS).

[@malcomchase9777]

I am no lawyer and I'm not from the states. But the idea that you can "sign" a "piece of paper" that says 'You can't sue me for doing something illegal' is insane to me.

[@Just_a_Piano_]

@@GCOSBenbow i'm also pretty sure TOS doesn't protect you from crimes, though this is American Law we're talking about it's pretty stupid

[@SolomonPrime3000]

Exactly. The TOS applies to people who use the browser extension only and only with respect to their use of the extension.

[@DarkPlaysThings]

​@@malcomchase9777TOS generally isn't a protection from blatantly illegal activities, it's more a cover for things that aren't EXPLICITLY illegal but may result in a lawsuit from an affected party/parties. Now that doesn't justify it in my eyes, not at all, but there is a distinction. With that being said TOS wouldn't necessarily protect a company in court either, if whatever it is they're doing is deemed egregious enough to not be reasonably expected to be upheld by their customers. It acts more as a deterrent for average people who will go "well they said it in their terms and conditions, so I can't possibly sue them", even if that isn't necessarily true.

[@Sasha11711]

8:09 Did they know? - Certainly yes Will they admit to that? - No Will they get punished? - Certainly no

[@godlynewbie]

and the cycle will continue. honey will go down and another will take it's place and finding work arounds to make it near impossible to detect the scummy shit they do

[@yomommashaus]

I'm convinced they weighed the risk vs benefits of purchasing a scam company for $4 billion and knew they could most likely walk away with well over that amount in profits when it was eventually exposed. I bet they had a great time congratulating each other over such an ingenious business move...

[@AE-or7xd]

@@yomommashaus they made sure to use the documentation as paper plates for the employee pizza party

[@BourdeoixEterno]

Half their customer base will not use honey because of these things coming to light they’re gonna lose a lot of money

[@Lanka0Kera]

"At best" they will throw someone from the Honey under the bus and walk away whistling. Hopefully not literally.

[@Jane.Shaffer]

It looks like part two is going to be about 'Honey extorting small businesses into using Honey or else they would give people uber-coupons that werent meant for the normal customer, driving their business into the dust..😊

[@punisherlee]

What I'm thinking is, the companies that do work with honey ought to see on their backend that a lot of commissions come from PayPal. They should ask how that came to be.

[@xyex]

I was guessing it to be mistakes on Honey's part, where they promoted the wrong coupons and then when the retailer complained and wanted compensation for it, PayPal just shrugged and said "oops, sorry" and ignored them. Yours is also very possible.

[@Arared0002]

Bot

[@directorAREESH]

This is literally the entire Bee Movie plot

[@TravisDoesStuff]

​@RandomName641-z4c that's not funny, that's sad.

[@omgitslukas5242]

“They make the honey, and we make the money.”

[@BigDaddy0Kev]

@TravisDoesStuffreally dude

[@GetMoreTalismans]

@TravisDoesStuff really? no way? almost like its a bot account

[@dragons_of_magicgirl368]

​@TravisDoesStuff responding to it is just doing what they want you to do

[@madaemon]

10:00 This may protect Honey against lawsuits from creators who had an agreement with them, but not ones who didn't. The class action lawsuit is filed on behalf of creators who had nothing to do with Honey.

[@Sam_Saraguy]

Fraud vitiates all. Their TOS means nothing if fraudulent behavior is involved.

[@madaemon]

@@Sam_Saraguy Ideally, yes, but the courts may uphold the forced arbitration clauses, even where fraud is alleged. i.e. The fraud is still only an allegation/dispute, and the creators who signed agreements with Honey accepted arbitration as the venue for determining whether fraud occurred at all. So they'd still have to overcome the hurdle of proving fraud at arbitration first, and that would be on an individual basis.

[@kessy628]

Creators who had an agreement with Honey weren't end users, so I don't think the TOS would matter here. There might be something in the sponsorship contracts, but only the creators would know that. It really only affects end users who might sue honey after using it.

[@Oh-Ben]

@@madaemon it wont. You cannot put anything in your TOS like this and expect it it be upheld. "You cannot sue us if you use our product" will never fly.

[@whymsttho1891]

Seems like leagle eagle was fairly confident that just about anyone affected by honey affiliate links could join the lawsuit (outside of consumers), so I assume creators have a strong case too.

[@adlockhungry304]

10:28 Even if the class action clause in the Honey terms of service were legally binding, that would only apply to the actual users who signed up for it. People who neither used nor promoted it who lost commissions are entitled to sue the pants off those leaches. As far as those who had actual promotion deals with Honey, that’s another question.

[@matt45540]

That's why there's a Creator lawsuit, and not a honey user lawsuit

[@adlockhungry304]

@ exactly.

[@Bri-lk7re]

Yeah cause I definitely got KZbinr coupons from Honey so they definitely weren't getting that commission

[@matthijsweststrate5552]

yeah I never used or singed up for honey so that TOS doesnt mean shit if I were to file a class action

[@YaBoiDaGuy]

would this not be considered unconscionable? Like at this point anyone can just make whatever malicious program. Drop a lorem ipsum ass TOS like any other, and sneak in the end there "oh btw by clicking a button you can't sue me"

[@kaseywahl]

MegaLag's subs have BLOWN UP with this video! I've been following his stuff since he had fewer than 10k subs when he was doing airtags that he was tracking through packages he was sending to North Korea and stuff, but his content has only been getting better and better of the last couple of years. Can't wait to see part 2 and 3 of his video series.

[@IjeomaThePlantMama]

He deserves every single one, I'd never heard if him before the Honey exposé but his investigation made me a new fan.

[@00-JT]

Terms of service that are so long they become unrealistically read able need to be outlawed. It should also be illegal then to wave any rights away.

[@youtubewontletme]

Also I think they are not legally binding.

[@youtubewontletme]

​@@tylerhartley5031 no one is crying here buddy, you ain't cool nor better for saying such simple thing to someone who is explaining like the adult you are not.

[@thatshiftyboi8593]

Ive seen judges literally say "dude, your terms of service is 47 pages long. No one is reading that." And then proceed to say that due to the extreme length of the document, it was harmful to consumers and couldnt be made legally binding

[@Pr0m3th3us86]

Agree

[@Pr0m3th3us86]

They 100% do that so you won’t read them(or can’t) so they can put some shady shit in it

[@perciusmandate]

The thing is, Legal Eagle's class action isn't for users of Honey. It's for KZbinrs who have had their affiliate codes poached by Honey's shady cookie replacement. The sponsorship contract with these KZbinrs has nothing to do with Honey's ToS. Now, whether there's an arbitration clause in the sponsorship contract is another matter, but i would assume LE has done his research on that.

[@ILoveTinfoilHats]

Users have absolutely nothing to claim against them

[@perciusmandate]

@ILoveTinfoilHats Fraud, allegedly. But that's a separate matter and probably covered under their arbitration clause.

[@sigmamale4147]

@@ILoveTinfoilHats yes they do, they could argue that honey prevented them from supporting the creator, which was part of the reason for a purchase

[@ILoveTinfoilHats]

@@perciusmandate except for that fact that it wasn't fraud and was exactly what was advertised? The whole suit isn't because they were lying, it's because creators didn't have to agree for it to affect them directly.

[@perciusmandate]

@ILoveTinfoilHats That's exactly what I said in my original post. Thank you for agreeing with me. Have a nice day.

[@kingkeshi1140]

The fact that one of the resident KZbin lawyers is on the case makes this so much better.

[@RandomName641-z4c]

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[@Burnt_Marshmellow]

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[@JourneysADRIFT]

Not one, multiple. Legal Eagle is the biggest but Attorney Tom and America's Attorney are also on the lawsuit and they both make awesome content.

[@ThisGuyDannyyy]

There’s already things dying in 2025 like: Nick Eh 30 Honey

[@Badiqx]

​@@ThisGuyDannyyyespecially Nick eh 30 he is MAD forgettable

[@trainmasterpi5687]

Adding the "you can't sue us" is the digital equivalent of rock trucks that claim they're "NOT responsible for broken windshields!". Your load isn't secured properly and is causing paint chips, flat tires, and broken glass. Good luck with that bumper sticker defense.

[@ValTudda]

9:32 " let's see " * proceeds to break the sound barrier with only his finger tips in the search for information *

[@ruffr4bb1t]

God I wish I could type as fast as he

[@Prantkun]

How many wpm is that

[@katzcribe2992]

@Prantkun Yes

[@Terrabyte425]

Keyboard turned into an ar15 😭

[@notify7581]

Clip farming

[@BugsNova]

Getting sued by legal eagle himself has got to be the most spine chilling thing ever lmao

[@buttertoof]

Bro the ovhoe bot called you broke you gotta fight em

[@georgehernandez2156]

If he has to be a KZbinr to make money . I dont think he is that successful

[@ChrisP999]

​@@OVOJacob3 elaborate more...that kinda comment I laugh at on youtube and never take seriously haha

[@AreYouTriggered24]

⁠@@buttertoof Ovhoe fans have to live with the fact that their GOAT is a pedo, let them get some peace, they’re already the joke of the internet 😂

[@DieNextInLINE]

It's up there with waking up in the middle of the night because you hear a noise at the front door, so you go to check and hear a very quiet "Nothing on 2... Little click on 3. Back to 1. Feels set... Maybe release a little tension? Oh! Big click out of 1 and we're in!"

[@ceddavis7441]

It is definitely important to note that this also inflates honey's affiliate marketing performance. This is very likely also illegal.

[@selinesbeau]

The advertising merchants should be angry too. The cookie swapping made it look like successful advertising wasn't working.

[@G1ng3rG4m1ng]

The BIG one in my head rent-free, is them saying theyre using a smaller coupon, but then using a larger one, and then scalping the rest for themselves OUTRIGHT; straight out of our pockets, and THEN stealing commission.

[@jgmusic_]

I thought this was going to be the "phase 2" in the original video

[@yomommashaus]

it's wild how much thought they put into making sure to squeeze as much scam outta honey from every angle as possible

[@boboscousin]

Honey even a bear wouldn’t touch

[@RandomName641-z4c]

‬‭‮‬‭‮ era ega ,ailihpodeꝐ ezilamroN just a number, just because it is illegal doesn't mean it is morally wrong! (check about me) /./././😮

[@L1nus16]

lmao this made me shiggle

[@GL0BALLY_TR3ND1NG]

lmao

[@RandomName641-z4c]

‬‭‮‬‭‮ era ega ,ailihpodeꝐ ezilamroN just a number, just because it is illegal doesn't mean it is morally wrong! (check about me) /./././

[@ladiesman960]

lmao😭😭

[@glooze]

9/10 any product that spams you with ads is trying to scam you.

[@Seraphim144]

This is good advice.

[@shanedbunting]

Modern marketing itself is the scam .

[@fireice8]

Can I interest you in some European royal land you can totally own????

[@丫o]

Says a lot about youtube

[@tylerhartley5031]

Prove it pal

[@victorluna2847]

just because you sign a contract saying that they are allowed to do illegal activity doesnt mean they are allowed to. You cant use a contract to get around the law, the terms of service is going to get thrown out.

[@ragedjam1866]

11:42 so they want arbitration when they do something wrong but want a law suit when someone bothers them. Absolute child behavior.

[@XBluDiamondX]

They took inspiration from Nintendo.

[@spoilerspree1077]

its worse, arbitration with guy they choose as arbiter.

[@lilharm]

literally the “I have an unbreakable shield and super mega sword that can’t be blocked”

[@randomizedtaco6565]

​@@lilharm "I have like, an invincible shield that can block any attack, and, like, a super sweet sword that does infinity + 2 damage" -Not Eric Cartman

[@jakeedwards4454]

Child behaviour? This is just evil shit

[@AndreJNick1]

I feel like i have heard before that TOS are often not considered legally binding but I can't say how true this is, what I can say is waivers that say "you can't sue us for any reason" are never legally binding. Waivers need to be specific in what you're waiving

[@liplak2029]

10:41 The people loosing commissions to honey wouldn't even be people who accepted these terms of service, so the fact that they are even here in the terms of service are still not binding to the aspect of the class action lawsuit. This only proves that PayPal-honey knew this was blatantly illegal if not morally wrong and lawsuit worthy.

[@zmanistheman812]

Exactly my idea

[@soboring1826]

Exactly. I think LegalEagle mentioned that too. A creator who has never even heard of Honey could easily be affected. Let's use MeUndies as an example. Say you're watching a video and the creator advertises MeUndies and provides an affiliate link in their description. So you click your creator's affiliate link and are brought to their site. Honey pops up in the corner and says: "We can't find any coupons for this!". You click to close their pop-up. Clicking the pop-up at all now takes away that content creators affiliate link and replaces it with their own, despite them not ever being involved with Honey. That content creator never agreed to Honey's terms of service, so Honey's ToS do not apply to them at all.

[@VAnotes2]

This is honey even Winnie-the-Pooh would reject

[@laurengreedywiweedy8635]

9:32 me fake typing when the teacher is walking near me doing my assignment on Microsoft word

[@Spyder447]

LMAO na I couldn't even fake type that quick

[@tr1tion]

@@Spyder447 it dont matter if you made sense, as long as you can mash buttons like a maniac

[@Ronniemcnutt-re2ms]

I am genuinely amazed that he didn’t make any mistakes either

[@JackScholten-g5m]

Can’t wait to claim my 4 cents from this lawsuit

[@JustaHarmfulguy]

fr

[@perkoz33445]

Fr

[@seriously58]

So you are part of the problem - not caring if ppl get shafted. Might wanna re-evaluate your life

[@LeafBoye]

​@@seriously58cringe take

[@ripnoah]

@@seriously58you caring what happens to billionaires. you need to reevaluate your life

[@X-CosmicVixen-X]

This is by far the funniest shit this year because I watched the animated version of Mark saying he doesn’t trust Honey but Honey is just a jar of honey in the video and now we got the suing of Honey lmao

[@Pr0m3th3us86]

OH NO ITS THE BOILED ONE😱😱😱😱

[@Big_Brainn]

-By accepting our terms, you agree to not sue us -Well, I don't accept them -Well, shlt

[@demdude3708]

The terms of use isn't even useful to them because the people affected by honey aren't the people using honey.

[@tylerhartley5031]

I used the honey to destroy the honey

[@rattle_me_bones]

Even then, I don't even think the class action waiver would work if they were being sued for false advertising (which there is a case for) - again, you can't just say "you can't sue us if we do something illegal :)"

[@codyallen43]

Actually customers who used Honey were scammed as well. Honey took money from companies to actively HIDE coupons from customers, basically doing the exact opposite of what they advertised they did.

[@Visitor______________________v]

Also, what if Legal eagle didn't use honey? Then he isn't affected by the ToS

[@N00dsA55Payments]

No bro, me by using honey, am not setting a cookie that would give my comission to somebody. If i know what honey does and want to use it then changing my browser cookies is my business and should be allowed. Honey never lied about what they do it's just people were too stupid and greedy to care how it works. Especially the ones promoting it.

[@DerpEnaz]

4:15 THIS, a lot of people dont realize how many organizations honey was also stealing from, churches commonly use affiliates for charity work... and honey is also stealing from them. honey was stealing from EVERYONE and the people who got hurt the most never involved themselves with honey to begin with.

[@biggyblunts5788]

Churches are literally the only organizations that deserve to be stolen from lmao. Worst possible example

[@Inspirator_AG112]

Even non-sponsors? You mean tell me that Honey essentially mass-weaponized unsuspecting users?

[@ellie_hc]

lmao yeah buddy because churches are totally not known for scamming people 🙄 (obviously everything honey did was terrible but the way you're trying to make it a sob story for churches is just kinda weird)

[@seven_swords]

@@ellie_hcwtf are you talking about

[@ellie_hc]

@@seven_swords never heard of churches taking money for "charity" only to make themselves more rich? are you 5, brainwashed, or living under a rock?

[@DeepHumor]

I'm glad LegalEagle also name dropped Pie. Pie seems just as shady as Honey

[@NotPliskin]

DeepHumor can I have your name if I ask nicely

[@beetlebg3759]

@@NotPliskin I want DeepHumor

[@Jbloz11]

If someone makes a real version of honey they should call it syrup 😂🙏

[@colonelb]

Regarding the class action lawsuit and terms of service - if YOU sign up for honey, YOU agree to the terms of service, but back to Charlie's Grandma example - Grandma DIDN'T sign up for honey, so she DIDN'T agree to the terms of service and therefore SHE can sue - I think that's the angle Legal Eagle is going with.

[@MariaMaria-gt8dc]

Also fraud because they steal the commission

[@OrbObserver]

Nope, the terms of service can't directly contradict advertising claims.

[@hxhdhhdjdjd8288]

TOS doesnt protect you from fraud otherwise it wouldn't exist

[@justinvallange]

If cookie stuffing has a precedent making it illegal, I don't think they're allowed to put crimes in the ToS

[@gamerhex7335]

Doesn't matter what the tos says, if it violates your rights, like saying you can't sue them, it's none binding.

[@Hrotriks]

Thing is , you cannot denny a person´s right to class action lawsuit no matter how many TOS you sign , I believe.

[@Namelessstew]

No TOS can deny a lawsuit of any kind. Unless your Disney apparently

[@nebulaonthisshiiii]

"It doesn't matter if you live under a rocket ship" didn't expect to hear that today

[@RandomName641-z4c]

‬‭‮‬‭‮ a fo oediv suoiralih a dedaolpu tsuj I woman crying ‬‭‮‬‭‮ god reh revo ‬‭‮‬‭‮ nwod ҏtu ,..//./.,///././/.// ,.,//,..,gnieb

[@RandomName641-z4c]

‬‭‮‬‭‮ era ega ,ailihpodeꝐ ezilamroN just a number, just because it is illegal doesn't mean it is morally wrong! (check about me) /./🎉././

[@RandomName641-z4c]

​@DontReadMyPicture425 I report

[@glooze]

I want him to say this, it'd surprise everyone expecting the same intro.

[@fenix8428]

@@RandomName641-z4c Ironic since you also should be banned

[@MatthewWhitman-j7p]

Completely off topic but love the display in the back of your set up really looks cool

[@Barely_Edits]

"Sometimes that sweet Honey deal is just a *sting* operation in disguise!" - The art of war guy

[@COnke-ew7hi]

Sun zoo

[@Barely_Edits]

Yeah yeah that guy

[@SawyerJensen69]

@@Barely_EditsYeah yeah that guy chain

[@swillieplays]

11:01 listen at 2x speed

[@Siirxe]

Summa lumma dooma lumma

[@randnet-n1ntendo]

worth it

[@ChrisDoesSomeStuff]

Eminem: "You dare challenge me...?"

[@malcolmcole5181]

Like I was being contacted by angry aliens

[@SnowyOwl369]

Even if its in the terms of service of honey that you can't levy a class action lawsuit against them it won't matter. I imagine that legal eagle never agreed to Honey's terms of service and many of the people being screwed over also wouldn't have

[@che3se1495]

Exactly how that works. It isn't the users (who agreed to the ToS) who are suing. It is other businesses suing for interference. Even if someone did agree to the ToS, that only covers them for the USE of the software. It doesn't cover them from being sued for losses outside of the use of the software. For example, if I lent you a car and made you sign a ToS that limits you from suing me in a class action from any damages from use of my car, and then my car leaked oil all over your property, you couldn't sue me in a class action. If you signed my services, and then I stole your car that you own to rent to someone else, I wouldn't be protected by my ToS. ToS only apply in a limited capacity; when you're using the product or engaged with the service. It doesn't apply in cases where you aren't using the product/service and are damaged.

[@Hrotriks]

Also still many people can give smaller suits if denied , and the court could tell them to just make it a class action lawsuit anyhow.

[@SavageGreywolf]

seriously people need to stop thinking ToS actually means anything. A ToS can say that they have the right to hunt and eat you, that doesn't mean it will hold up in court.

[@VagrantKnight]

Honestly even if they did, that wouldn't matter anyways since Honey committed a fuck ton of crimes chargeable by law, some of them being actual federal crimes which will invalidate the ToS immediately. It's not like someone can just put in their ToS "By using this software you are willingly agreeing to be unalived by so and so" and then you know, actually unalive that person and get away with it. They're STILL going to be charged for doing so. Honestly they might have a better chance just paying some money back to the creators than spending time writing the nonsensical bs in there

[@SnowyOwl369]

@@SavageGreywolf yes, I completely agree with that. What they put in their Tos will not be upheld in law, I was simply demonstrating that if it were to be, they would still be able to be sued.

[@contentcreatormancj3377]

I love coming back to Moist’s videos after a couple weeks and seeing his upgrades background

[@frjhracing]

This sounds like "theft by conversion" as well, which is common in car renting, where essentially they are obtaining the funds/thing "legally" but through illegitimate transactions outside the original agreement (where the agreement would be the kickback from a affiliate cookie/link). Which is exactly what the honey thing looks like.

[@asdsdasdasd4612]

What is the car rental example

[@frjhracing]

@asdsdasdasd4612 more common with luxury car rentals are where the car isn't returned or, more likely, torn down and shipped out of country. It's not normal theft because there is a contract that you are "given" the car via the rental agreement, but the "by conversion" part is where you break the... Giving it back part. It's actually a really big deal because insurance already doesn't want to cover the liability of high dollar luxury cars, so it carries a lot of other legal consequences and action by insurance companies and the rental company.

[@leroyd6778]

Seems like an odd comparison

[@dead-claudia]

conversion is one of the formal allegations in the lawsuit

[@EliteFiveJon]

Who knew we would get an uno reverse bee movie plot for 2025? We're suing the bees for all you got!

[@Seraphim144]

Truly one of the plot twists of all time.

[@thewarriorreturns9179]

Even if a KZbinr can show that their affiliate link was altered, they still need to prove that they lost money as a result. For a class action lawsuit to succeed, the KZbinrs need to show tangible, quantifiable financial harm, which is not always easy in affiliate marketing. Proving that a sale was lost due to Honey’s affiliate link changes would require detailed, accurate tracking data. Without clear evidence that the altered link prevented the KZbinr from receiving commissions they would have earned, the case could fail. Additionally, if KZbinrs are earning from other affiliate links or if the loss of commissions is relatively minor in the larger scheme, it may not rise to the level of harm needed for a class action.Another challenge is that Honey (or any coupon-finding service) isn't legally obligated to display every possible coupon or the highest-value coupon in all cases. There could be technical limitations or reasons why some coupons aren't shown. For example, some coupons might have expiration dates, or certain discounts might be exclusive to specific customer segments (e.g., email subscribers, first-time buyers). If the coupon-finding tool is functioning as advertised-i.e., it's finding coupons-it's not necessarily misleading if it doesn't show every available coupon or the most valuable one. This is especially true if Honey makes no guarantees about showing all coupons.

[@tommy8716]

That clause you read about no class action lawsuit applies to honey users. The people in this lawsuit are not honey users, so it doesn't matter anyway.

[@jeremydale4548]

It shouldn’t matter even if it is honey users. Breaking the law and misleading people should render that clause null and void.

[@tommy8716]

@jeremydale4548 but it doesn't. Forced arbitration clauses are often very hard to fight. The person LegalEagle is working with on this case has a channel called "AttorneyTom". His most recent video uses the clip from this exact video detailing why it's not actually correct.

[@anorangewithacapybaraunder2370]

Honey pt. 2: Sponsored Diddy parties 💀

[@muaxh03]

I'm so glad that I had the same thoughts as Markiplier and never used it.

[@RandomName641-z4c]

‬‭‮‬‭‮ a fo oediv suoiralih a dedaolpu tsuj I woman crying ‬‭‮‬‭‮ god reh revo ‬‭‮‬‭‮ nwod ҏtu ,..//./.,///././/.// ,.,//,..,gnieb

[@RandomName641-z4c]

‬‭‮‬‭‮ a fo oediv suoiralih a dedaolpu tsuj I woman crying ‬‭‮‬‭‮ god reh revo ‬‭‮‬‭‮ nwod ҏtu ,..//./.,///././/.// ,.,//,..,gnieb

[@glooze]

Seriously, if you're unsure about a product, why blindly follow through it without any skepticism? Never made sense to me.

[@NobleGamer889]

These bots man…

[@Burnt_Marshmellow]

so many bots here

[@jimmaul]

Regardless of whether or not the TOS statement waiving the right to a class action lawsuit is legally binding, anyone who did not use honey and did not partner with them can still sue them as they did not use the product and did not agree to the TOS. So really its irrelevant.

[@deathgodscythe5721]

I watched Mark's liars bar video yesterday and it's description, didn't know he always hated it, didn't think Charlie would mention it

[@risdespro5101]

“ You better pay up Pal , or I will steal all your honey “ - Legal Eagle , 2025

[@ArthurSavage]

All the people in the class action lawsuit who were harmed by affiliate link stealing unless they also signed up for Honey haven't agreed to the terms of service. So even if it was somehow upheld many wouldn't be bound by it. I don't know if it is illegal to lie but Honey also damaged users of honey by lying and saying they searched the whole web for the best coupon codes. So I hope there is a second class action lawsuit just for that.

[@KhangNguyen-ij4xh]

I don’t think it’s illegal for them on the user side, but yeah, they are about to get omega fisted on the creator side. Because of how wide they casted the net, theoretically ALL youtubers, tiktokers, streamers or anyone who uses affiliate cookies across the world can jump in and pound them. While I don’t think Paypal will go bankrupt or something, this is probably going to be a big blow to their company

[@hubble5703]

yess 14:07 excuses him reading all the way through though 😭

[@user-gs6zx8rg7i]

This lawsuit is for people who did not partner with Honey. When being sponsored by Honey, creators allowed them to poach affiliates so there’s not much that could be done there. But those who didn’t partner with them got fucked over royally.

[@Foopy]

That’s like robbing a bank with a sign saying “You can’t arrest me” and expect the cops to go home

[@megaytp69]

at 1:00 overdosing on stupid juice he'd overdose on goof juice

[@DylanGeick]

I love how quickly you’ve gone full warhammer

[@ReginaConnell]

0:39 you are so correct. This whole thing is so foul. I am so glad to see you guys are coming together rising up and taking action because like mega lag said it’s gotta be upwards in the millions that should’ve been paid out to all of you and anyone else doing affiliate links

[@NylanderHas5StarDragonBalls]

Dead Internet Theory ahh account 💀💀💀. AI has now made it onto KZbin boys

[@dwonner]

fowl!!

[@Chris-ue7zr]

fowl

[@Daniel-wr9ql]

@@NylanderHas5StarDragonBallsyeah fr I swear like 75% of these comments are literally just bots

[@SawyerJensen69]

@@Chris-ue7zrfowl chain

[@jonathanrobinson8926]

It looks like part two is going to be about Honey extorting small businesses into using Honey or else they would give people uber-coupons that werent meant for the normal customer, driving their business into the dust.

[@moviemaker2011z]

thats what i suspected part 2 was going to be about when he hinted to it in the video. i have seen several places talking about it and nobody believing them saying "just dont allow coupons on your site" as if that helps the problem any. honey really is trying to be public enemy #1 with all of this and it looks like they are about to be here really soon.

[@GG4F-tf8ex]

You know honey doesn’t create the coupons right? Any small business could easily just cancel coupons if they’re being leaked to the masses. But even if so, how would honey get these top secret coupons that are used privately between vendors? Honey would have to do a lot of leg work finding someone to leak those small business’ vendor/private coupons, it doesn’t seem realistic. They’d have to research who might hold those private coupons, and then convince them to leak them, and then have some way to do it over and over once the small business cancels it. And that’s even assuming that the small companies that might give out huge discounts to partners sell goods the general consumer would even want. Otherwise, even having those high discounts does nothing because there wouldn’t be enough sales using them to harm the company. At most honey could “search” for the highest coupon and actually give it to people, like it claims it would. But companies can cancel them anytime, or just pretend they’re out of stock until the coupon expires. I don’t know what they’ve done that would top the sheer scope and effect of them stealing affiliate commissions. Maybe it’s meant to be worse legally, but morally they’re pretty much at the top save for physically harming people. An internet-wide scam is hard to top, and maybe it was just hype for the next parts. But we’ll see

[@ARitzCracker]

​​@@GG4F-tf8ex 1. Create a 50% off coupon code intended for employees 2. Employees use that coupon code on a machine also with honey installed. 3. Honey slurps the coupon code (I'm extremely sure they can _always_ see what coupon code works) 4. Honey then adds the coupon to their database without user knowledge They already have the ability to read the website you're on to see of their coupons work, from a technical perspective, it's not difficult to also read the page while the user enters their own coupon

[@tedpair8219]

@@GG4F-tf8ex Thinking about what was said during the clips at the end of the initial video - it's likely that Honey was permitting forged coupons in as well. And then encouraging those who tried (and failed) to use said coupons to complain to the vendor, rather than Honey themselves. I mean, if you think about it, who would you rather trust? The people trying to "save you money" or the people who are trying to make a sale? Your instincts are going to go with the people trying to save you money the majority of the time. It's insidious. It's vile. It should be illegal if it isn't already.

[@LeScratch89]

@@GG4F-tf8ex It's an extension. Anyone who ever punched in a code while shopping, while having the extension? Honey now has that code and can parse it across the entire web. It's no different from an installed application on a smartphone having access to your photos or contacts list - unless the coupon code was set up in such a way to only be redeemable once ever (even big businesses generally don't do this, let alone small ones), it'd be fair game to be stolen.

[@alienpizza]

“Cookie Stuffing.” Me: “Mmm Cookies…”

[@pigeonsunitedroblox4343]

Bro is not Santa

[@rizkyramadhan7442]

Big back moment But ngl tho, stuffed cookies with chocolate/vanilla cream would be delicious

[@bskinner22rianna]

The end cracked me up there, thanks for leaving that in 😂

[@cattus7622]

Bees turning out to be scammers was not on my 2025 list

[@RandomName641-z4c]

‬‭‮‬‭‮ a fo oediv suoiralih a dedaolpu tsuj I woman crying ‬‭‮‬‭‮ god reh revo ‬‭‮‬‭‮ nwod ҏtu ,..//./.,///././/.// ,.,//,..,gnieb

[@JustaHarmfulguy]

its true bro i agree woman are used for the kitchen

[@DJandLF]

It started in 2024

[@TheLego_Eater]

@DJandLFbut the lawsuit is now

[@DJandLF]

@TheLego_Eater yeah but he didn't specify the lawsuit, he said when it was revealed/mentioned

[@aff77141]

10:50 I also have to assume a large amount of influencers this actually effected have never had honey, including and especially legal eagle. It's not a gotcha to all the people who never signed the tos.

[@dadrunk5213]

Exactly what i was thinking. Although i am not sure if there is some sort of terms of service for sponsorships?

11:16 "i'm sure the jury would side with you guys" of course 😂😂

[@submarinemagnet7965]

Tl;dr for what he just said in the last moments of the video: You cannot sue honey, but Honey can sue you.

[@FedoraDEV]

9:24 damn that keyboard 💀💀💀💀

[@DanMan-j5p]

Finally someone that mentions it 😆

[@TheKageokami]

The way you’re describing honey makes it sound like a back door program a hacker would use to access all your computer files without you knowing about it.

[@robsonroku2691]

Finally honey is in trouble

[@RandomName641-z4c]

‬‭‮‬‭‮ era ega ,ailihpodeꝐ ezilamroN just a number, just because it is illegal doesn't mean it is morally wrong! (check about me) /./././

[@exowars]

Bro knew before Markiplier

[@amarbaysgalanbayrsaikhan.]

reverse bee movie

[@exowars]

@ UTTP died it's time to get a job

[@CassTYGirl]

Damnnnn…if honeys taking a hit..nothings making it thru 2025 😱

[@thread8306]

"Factually a scam, in my opinion." I thought that was a bit of a goofy statement. Anyhow, I love how the room looks now. Good stuff

[@Vintagesupermarketstore]

5:20 he dies

[@MaHandle]

Yes

[@avolt6180]

He Prolly jus ran out of battery

[@Barely_Edits]

"Don’t get stung by fake deals-this Honey might just be a little too sticky for your wallet!" - A wise man

[@Oonkeh]

10:56 Bro hit the scatman

[@raz0rmusic_]

More like rap god

[@DawnOfTheOzz]

Markiplier knew. They called him crazy but he knew something was up.

[@illstarmusic]

Let's just hope the lawyers working with honey get paid and don't have to deal with the commissions going to honey.

[@JustaHarmfulguy]

fr

[@charliethechunkygamer1257]

they should have a pretty easy lawsuit lol like ' we will do illegal shit and you cant sue us just because we said so in our terms of service . ' like that shit is not gonna go well in court .

[@mr.microwave9134]

@@charliethechunkygamer1257No the difference is that Honey set an expectation that people with affiliate links are going to get a certain commission. I don't believe it was explicitly stated (even in any terms of services) that affiliate links are going to Honey.

[@charliethechunkygamer1257]

@@mr.microwave9134 the point of my comment was that you cant legally have in your terms of service that you cant have lawsuits against you , soo them committing cookie fraud and then saying you" cant sue us" is what i was talking about . hope this helps .

[@uponeric36]

@@mr.microwave9134 The fact that Legal Eagle is going after this is evidence enough: If there wasn't a case, he wouldn't be on it. This is one of the biggest and most blatant examples of fraud and racketeering in our time. Only one of, sadly. Hopefully, this becomes one of the nails in Paypals coffin, can't wait to see them shut down or forced to be sold.

[@crancat3495]

If you want to keep your CRT on in the background, you should use a pass filter to get rid of the high frequencies in the recording.

[@jamequius]

"it is factually a scam... in my opinion"

[@Syx-c9u]

The display case in the background is awesome can't wait ti see it complete

[@hiroikkuneko]

That’s quite the background… I love it

[@ElectricMan3444]

Honestly same, his room looks sooo nice now!

[@Seraphim144]

It’s a bit much for my eyes, but it does look cool.

[@aximat]

Maybe it’s just me but that corner with the poster looks awkward without anything to fill that space. Otherwise I love it too

[@warchiefvenomn7612]

His old one with Wato on the back is still the best

[@makeshiftcamera]

"This should be a slam dunk case" Please, for the love of god, do not jinx it. Thank you

[@AlbertoGonzalez-oc3rp]

6:22 I know the answer to this question. Honey picked creators with so much money they’ll never notice missing checks from honey.

[@Ferros-db2ze]

He quite literally said in the video, even if you didn't promote honey as long as someone has it installed it would steal your commission. Meaning everyone who has ever promoted something via commission would have their (be it content creator, blogger or anyone on the internet) would have their earnings stolen

[@stanvanillo9831]

​@@Ferros-db2ze this is what I don't understand. Literally everyone in the ad value chain should have noticed. E.g. all the VPN companies should have noticed that they suddenly pay all the referral dollars to honey, they would have stopped advertising because referrals from the content creators would have tanked. Honey is definitely a fraud but I think the extent is wildly exaggerated. If anyone at honey has more than one braincell they would have restricted this interference to a low single-digit percentage of transactions.

[@AlbertoGonzalez-oc3rp]

@ what I said since you didn’t read my comment, is. These creators would never know in the first place bc they make so much money. Unless they had a hawk eye on their finances they would never know. That’s why honey got away with it for so long. Your reply to my comment is completely irrelevant.

[@xandercloet7467]

That’s true, but there are still smaller creators that are suffering from honey. My question from since this all came to light is are smaller creators not noticing a consistent decrease in commission revenue?

[@Ferros-db2ze]

@@xandercloet7467 it's probably hard to track since from their perspective the money doesn't disappear from their account, they simply don't receive it in the first place as if people weren't using their referal links

[@MegStars79]

The “Brother,….I’m a moron.” Killed me dead. 💀

[@Chrosteellium]

1:50 I actually have a theory on what part two is going to be about based on the clips MegaLag played at the end of the part one video. He mentions that there were sometimes where honey would work flawlessly without any of the shady shit. None of the affiliate link poaching and the discounts were actually phenomenal, like 30-50% off coupons. All of the clips at the end of the video seemed to be from business owners who were also being screwed over by Honey. There was one thing one of the people in the clips mentions. People contacting their support asking about a 60% off discount that wasnt working. It was what he said that made me think this. He said, "That is not your discount... how did you get that?" Most of us only experience the world of Business to Consumer transactions (BtC), however, there is also Business to Business transactions (BtB). An example of a BtB transaction can be in the form of say a retail store buying products from a manufacturer to then sell to consumers. There is the Manufacturing Business and the Retail Business. These businesses have a shared interest in working together because they form a chain where the retail business makes money from selling the products that it buys from the manufacturer. Often, businesses like these will strike "deals" with each other. The manufacturer might give the retail business a private discount to be used between their BtB transactions only in exchange that retail business will stock and try to sell more of the manufacturers products specifically than other ones. These discounts can get quite large. in the range of 30-60% like mentioned at the end of MegaLag's video. Stuff like this happens all the time between businesses. Retailers and Manufacturers is just one example. What I think, Honey somehow managed to get access to these discounts that are typically only shared between business and started sharing them with their users. and because of their affiliate poaching, Honey was making money off of these sales while losing money for the "manufacturers" As well as any other businesses Honey could have gotten similar discounts from.

[@Hellcat007]

This comment should be higher

[@CealedOnYoutube]

Anyone else remember when Markiplier said the reason he doesn’t do honey sponsorships is because he “has no idea how honey gets the money”, we really should have heard him out.

[@Maxrepfitgm]

Yes. It's a comment in every video about this saying this.

[@femurbomb]

​​@@Maxrepfitgmalso if he thought just a little bit you would have been to the thought that they probably just got money from selling data. Like holy fuck I'm tired of his idiocy and ignorance being mentioned just because he happened to be right

[@V3_ethereal]

FINALLY, someone said it. I've been saying to myself "This has to be wire fraud" the moment this news hit. Even if the damages were not against content creators, it'd be against businesses. Like you can't claim responsibility for a sale in the last click of the sale. Everyone knows that's not what affiliate links are for.

[@senpairemu885]

i genuenly thought the nier music started from my spotify. love you for that.