Penn Slammer 3 Vs Daiwa Saltist Review | Comparison | What's inside Best $200 reel Round 1

[@mikerice9187]

That "top plate" or "shield" you mentioned at 25:52 is coated with a hydro-phobic coating on top....it works in unison with the rotor to provide a seal that is engaged when stationary or when the rotor is in motion. Not a traditional seal like a rubber gasket obviously, and there's a reason for that. This design is used because it doesn't create resistance, and allows the rotor to spin freely. The clutch area does not rely solely on the sealed ball bearing. Hope this helps.

[@TackleAdvisors]

Hey Mike, thanks for chiming in! Greatly appreciated! I'm surprised there was nothing in the marketing pertaining to it. That and the main shaft. Was I correct in that it is titanium?

[@tomporgy1143]

@@user-nx8vp5sy5d Lol 😂

[@TackleAdvisors]

13:32 drag discussion. For those who want to know why the drag has a higher than normal minimum drag pressure. It has to do with the sealing at the base plate which is required. Normal top only drag stacks are sealed by compressing the base of the spool against the shims. Dual drag designs the spool turns on the bottom drag plate which has to be sealed separately which adds resistance. Still very smooth but raises the minimum pressure a bit. Same with the Gosa vs Spheros. As well as Twinpower, stella sw and some other dual drags.

[@gonzarb93]

Hello sr, Any opinion for the okuma 8k? I have one and ir woobles everywhere, this two Reels woobles too?

[@Jessewrightfishing]

I have the 3500 and 5500 Slammer III. It's a work horse of a reel. Not a single issue yet. They are both about 2 years old

[@DaveMars0]

Hi! I would like to buy a shore jigging reel between Saragosa, Bg mq and Slammer 3. What’s the best? And what size would you suggest me for 300m of pe3 braid?

[@MakeYourDay_Good]

@@DaveMars0 I would say it’s between the mq and the slammer

[@dylancroft4321]

I have a both 6500 and 4500 size slammer. The 6500 is beautiful, I landed a 200lb ray on it. The 4500 was really tight when i first got it, so I opened it up and the thing was packed with grease. I wiped off some of the grease and the thing was as smooth as the 6500.

[@kongxiong6005]

11 months ago when I saw this video I bought the saltist 3000. 11 months later I bought a saltist 4000. Absolutely love these reels the drag is unmatched way more precise and buttery smooth. Definitely worth the upgrade over the BG and will take this over any pen slammer. Like Mr advisor here says if you can handle 60 lb of drag and then go for the slammer. But I can guarantee you 90% of all anglers won't even use more than 25 lb of drag for any fish weighting under 100 lb.

[@michaelbaldwin8391]

I got the Penn and it got gradually a 'heavier' feeling when winding (beach and inshore fishing), just lost a bit if its smoothness for sure. Services / repairs didn't really help. My mate got the saltist and it's never had an issue and also casts a little further. I think I will switch away from Penn moving forward. Still a great reel just comparatively I think its assembly qc not the best. Cheers!

[@michaelbaldwin8391]

Also, I would just go with best sale. The Penn was $190ish when I got it, saltist was about $50 cheaper.

[@DjDolHaus86]

Brass Vs Zinc alloy is a complex issue when it comes to gears because it's essentially hardness vs shear strength. Brass is much harder so the gears will wear less but a lot of zinc alloys have superior shear strength so will be less likely to strip teeth under extreme load. Personally I agree that brass is generally the better material in most applications because wear is a constant factor whereas large loads are an occasional hazard but if you were planning on catching a lot of tuna or other brutal tackle busters then maybe shear strength would be the bigger concern than ultimate usable life.

[@pbnjimages294]

Just found your channel; great infomation. I run a couple of charter boats in Florida, we fish Penn and Accuate for our deep sea reels and I really love them. I have tried almost every spinning reel brand, in the $175 to $300 range. Most last a full season before we replace them. However, the Penn Slammer III 8500, I purchased 4, lasted about 6 months before the rotors locked and the gears where stripped. This would be about 100 trips, We use 60 lb braid with 60lb mono leader. Every time one of these died was with a customer with big one on. Never had that problem with Saltist, Cedros, or Saragossa.

[@r.k862]

PBnJ Images - Hey i need your advice please. You said the saltist is the model is whats durable, im thinking to buy the Daiwa 4000 BG, do you think this is just as durable as the saltist overall? or is it just as bad as the Penn slammer III that has problems? btw i found saltist that is cheap models but im not sure if its the same durability as the saltist 4000 class?

[@pbnjimages294]

@@r.k862 Never owned one of these. But my preference is Daiwa over Penn in the spinning reels. But the question is what environment will you be using it in. In freshwater the Penn would be ok. We are tough on the equipment. Everything just gets a freshwater rinse at the end of the day and maybe every six months a little oil. We use the Stradic in the 4000 series. You should be able to pick them up for close to 200. One of my boat captains likes the Nasci reel. It is about half and if you not using it every day it will last a long time. Also, you may want to look at the quantum cabo series. We just purchased two of the 8000's in Oct of 2020. It is one of the smoothest reels I have ever picked up and is cheap. And has a 5 year warranty. We have not had a hook up that spooled us so I can't report on how it will handle really big fish. We have used it on mai and kings. But later in the season, we will have a hook up on marlin or large shark and we will see.

[@r.k862]

@@pbnjimages294 thanks for replying I highly appreciate your input in this matter. I think you misread my comment though. In your first comment you said that you never had a problem with the saltist reel. I just need to know which reel will last longer in my hands would it be the daiwa saltist or the daiwa BG model? I will use it for Saltwater and going to use it for small and big fish. I need to know between these 2 reels that won't break down on me. You said you never had a problem with the saltist, so I might buy that, but I need to know have you been using the daiwa BG model and do they break down quicker than the saltist? Thanks

[@pbnjimages294]

@@r.k862 Again never had the BG. The only problem that we have had is related to client abuse, They drop reals, sometimes breaking the handle or the bail. Or it goes overboard. We will spool the reel with 50 or 60 lb hollow-core Jerry Brown line, with about 100 ft of 60lb mono that gets change every couple of weeks. When the reel gets a sloppy or gritty feeling then it gets replaced. I can only assume that the bearings have lost their mag fluid and have ingested some salt. I am guessing that we get over 600 trips on a reel before they would need to be repaired. The cost from a BG to Saltist is ABOUT 100.00 spread this over a few years of fishing and your pre trip cost is very small. The cost of your gear is minor in the overall cost of fishing. This holds true if you are fishing from a boat. So go for the better reel.

[@r.k862]

@@pbnjimages294 thank you so much for your help. I'm an amateur btw. For the price of saltist ($400au) I think I'm buying 2 BG reels instead ($400au total). I'm looking for a extremely strong 4 piece (for compact size) rod that will catch large fish sometimes, people told me to buy the ugly stik gtx 4pcs that rod is extremely strong. What rod do you recommend? Would the gtx be the best one for what I need? Also what brand or type of line is most durable should I buy? I don't want it to cut easy for me or should I go for any brand name but look for how much lb it can handle?

[@mohamedsaeed7978]

I own a Penn Slammer lll 6500, like you have mentioned in the video it's really heavy on the handle. I was wondering if it was due to some issues during the assembling process I don't know. It would be great If it was a little lighter on the handle. Other than that this reel is the best for that price range. I love it

[@jimbo4612]

Have Penn slammer 3's and been up to chest in the surf on 30-50lb sea bass . The Penn Slammer 3 has the drag power I need to turn difficult hot fish and not damage the reel. Hook a white seabass and you will know why you need superior drag. Lesser reels will fail under the load these fish create. Very common as well to have to drag 20-30lbs of extra seaweed that the sea-bass wrap up in . Try winding all that up on a lesser weak drag. Penn is a tad less smooth than some, but its not apples and oranges difference. Top And bottom of the shaft movement perhaps a bit of resistance but on Fish, I mean serious fish, like a white sea bass with spinning gear you need the extra drag and raw power. This concept of ultimate buttery feel when landing a monster? The Shimano Stella has it but its $1200 to $1400 dollars verses $200.00 on a slammer 3. Daiwa b.G 's own a couple and they were great on striped bass but not on the White seabass.. Simply to much for them. A Saltist? looks pretty nice but no reason for me to buy as i know

[@drunknnirish]

I have to admit I watched the whole video waiting for the line lay shoe to drop. Great comparison as usual.

[@TackleAdvisors]

I was pretty shocked too! But...like always it seems with penn....it depends on whether you get a good one.....there are some that regardless of shimming have line lay issues....lol Thanks Patrick!

[@Hades-in5jy]

Always been a shimano guy but bought the saltist. Many charter fisherman in Miami and Florida Key swear by the older saltist model. They say it's unbreakable.

[@borasendil1383]

he just made this video to bury saltist. Its vay too obvious :)

[@tooshmart6669]

I work with ferrofluid a lot with electric motors. The high powered ebike community also uses ferrofluid all the time but not in the way that Daiwa uses it. Most BLDC electric motors have an airgap between the rotor and magnets, therefor we use ferrofluid to fill in the gap to transfer HEAT to the outside case and heatsinks. Once you put ferrofluid in a motor the motor has to be 100% sealed because the ferrofluid will find a way out while spinning at high speeds inside a motor. Its interesting to see Daiwa using it as a "seal" because in my opinion the only way ferrofluid can be used as a "mag-seal" is if the ferrofluid is 100% sealed itself which kinda defeats the point of having it in there in the first place. Ferrofluid is also a HORRIBLE lubricant under a friction load as it has micro-crushed magnets in it. In my opinion Mag-Seal is more gimmick than progression.

[@TackleAdvisors]

I've used ferrofluid for heat sinking in the past. Daiwa's use north of the clutch is sound...in bearings....it's a bit more problematic...as it can weep inside the bearing...and clog. It does a good job of keeping elements out for the most part...it's not perfect though

[@johnhall20]

Great video. I looked at two Slammer III 4500’s display models and both had QC problems (tooling marks, alignment issues, etc). It’s a shame. My first generation Slammer 460 Has been one of the best reels I’ve ever owned. I’ve been going with the BG’s for mass-produced reels as of late. They have QC problems as well but are half the price so the sting isn’t as bad.

[@dixondjallen6620]

I purchased two slammer III 8500HS, brought them home, was setting up to spool them but when i turned the crank on one of them there was a very obvious clicked sound at every turn of the crank! I can pretty much strip any spinning reel down and put it back together again blindfolded but being this was brand new, hell no back to the store with it! They did replace it with a new reel no problem. But my point is as you said, penn needs to really tighten up their quality control... Also, a great reel!

[@flo2500]

What about the weight? A Slammer is at a comparable line capacity double the weight of the Saltist. A reel with around two pound is kind of a deal breaker for throwing big poppers at GTs all day long. On the other handy I doubt that the improvemnt of the Saltist over the BG is worth the price. So I probably just get a new BG for every holiday trip... What do you think about the weight issue?

[@mrbadfish]

Man I wish I found this video 3 days ago, but I’m still glad I did! Just bought the Penn after going in to buy the Saltist Back Bay!

[@WoodsmanSkills]

Very informative I almost bought the statist today because the shop didn't have a slammer in, glad I waited I will stay with my original plan of buying the slammer3

[@stephenfrancisvoros382]

Great work mate, I just bought the slammer 3500, after carefully researching reals in this price range, whilst I was in at Tackle World Cairns Australia buying it, I was told they lend out Penn slammer 3 reals, for people to test out before buying, I was told a guy dropped his rod and borrowed 3500 into the salt water up the Trinity Inlet, he went back the following weekend, trying to find it, that he did, he returned it and the guys at Tackle World opened it up to inspect it, after a week in deep water, it had no water in it, I was sold, I'm yet to use it, waiting on good tides 👍😁🎣

[@TackleAdvisors]

Haa... Cool! I hope it treats ya well...

[@155michaelx]

for that price range i would go with a fin-nor offshore, they have stainless steel gears that will outlast both of those reels

[@caranx89]

ok!....but only BIGGEST lethal, the100 (range 30oz). Another factor is the gear ratio/RETRIEVE. slammer8500 for jigging 4.7ratio-42"(as a saragosa 20k...more power?7500 38")....and for popping hs 5.3/50". lethal is in the MIDDLE 4.9-45"...............Another missing factor is HANDLE length! (longer it length makes the reel slower, but more powerful) bg/saltist 5.3/48,7" or 8000 53.3"

[@kongxiong6005]

yup. Friend of mine bought a penn and its already grinding after just a few trips to the beach over a period of 2 months.

[@TackleAdvisors]

Friend of mine had the same thing... Bad pinion bearings... 2 trips... That clutch seal is mediocre.

[@roryduncan5686]

You should Review the Fin-Nor Lethal spinning reels. Probably one of the best value for money for a $100 reel.

[@jackchn23]

Would it be possible to put the Penn Slammers’ drag system into a less expensive reel like the Penn Pursuit, or Battle? I like the idea of increasing my drag by swapping out a few parts.

[@vinfish4697]

Seals are great and all but I actually enjoy dissecting my reels and slapping on some lube protection and really u know good and Well Saltwater doesn’t care how many Body Guards it has Thx for sharing it’s great to see what’s in the inside. That penn looks nice always been a fan of Brass gears

[@gwittner]

Amazing review. I really enjoyed it step by step (with my slammer and my saltist in front of me...) Thank you!!!

[@jaernelpatio7552]

I can't wait for the upcoming rounds! I'm planning on buying the winner! Keep up the great content!

[@riccardocarbo2479]

I have the 2500 LL and the line lay still sits narrow at the top and wider at bottom, even after leaving just the thinnest nylon washer in place. Any ideas? Going bare, metal to metal seems a no-go. And yes, the gasket is laying flat underneath that bushing the spool sits on. Thanks TA. --Rich

[@ItzikTsabba]

Thanks Nick/Scoobe In the ~200$ price range we also have the quantum Cabo. How does the quantum Cabo measure up to the other reels in this price range? Thanks Itzik

[@Dirtsmith]

Check out regearing a Dana 60 axle if you'd like to see what kind of pattern the ring gear should have from the pinion. But suffice it to say, like your did in the video, you generally want engagement in the center of the tooth otherwise you'll see premature wear, excess heat and even failure.

[@gameofman]

Wow, your review never cease to impress me

[@allengallion930]

Another fantastic review. Great job! I can't wait to see part 2 vs the Gosa(my Favorite reel). Thanks for the great reviews and videos!

[@strawhatmellow]

I owned both and my slammer 5500 couldn’t handle tautog in the jetty. The drag just gave out on me. So I trashed it and decided to never get a penn ever again (btw penn battle 2 was my favorite for the longest time so no I am not a daiwa fan boy). Had my saltist for over 2 yrs now and I’ve dunked it in saltwater, drop it in sand and actually fell off my truck while driving (was not driving to fast, max 15mph) and it’s still good and smooth. $75 cheaper and probably the best $200 reel in the market.

[@itsyessir7521]

Hi! I need a Penn Slammer for shore jigging. My rod is a Majorcraft Solpara 1002H 60-100g. Do you think will fit better a 4500 or a 5500 size? The Slammer III is still worth the price, or the Slammer IV will meaningfully be better? Thanks!!

[@garylawlor2288]

For some reason I like a touch of red Anodise on my beachcasting multipliers and baitcasters but I dislike same on spinning reels in which case I like blue or gold or silver/clear Anodise.

[@Galvoflysoz]

would be great if you did some tear downs of some of the Quantum spin reels.

[@bassiclogic]

I have the 4500 and the 5500 reels of this Penn! I have no issues you mention of these problems , so maybe I am lucky!

[@israelvibrations100]

I'm a Daiwa fan hands down....but when it comes to price and what you get for it....hate to say this....Penn Slammer I would choose over the Daiwa Saltis.....only......only because it just has more seals...more drag....and price is near the same but 40 or so dollars off......but still.....Penn Slammer...has to be the pick.....If Daiwa Saltis... had just a little more features not just the magseal.....then I would go straight for Daiwa Saltis....my thoughts😊😊😊😊

[@nelson12362]

I won't choose Daiwa again because they won't sell magsealed oil and parts. Daiwa BG will be my choice.

[@topher0254]

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[@barlow2976]

Thanks, I'm buying a Slammer despite having had to return a Clash that had impossibly bad line lay, despite shimming. I don't feel like I'm going to enjoy using it, compared to my Stradic, but I'll kill my Shimano if I keep on abusing it. Just hope I don't get another bad one.

[@horseblinderson4747]

Thanks for doing this review I'm getting off the fence and into Penn's yard on this one I have some toys to sell and get rid of but plan on a smaller slammer on a Shimano Teramar Tsx80xxh. The great thing about brass is it's gall resistant, electrolitic resistant, and self lubricates to a degree. Granted there's better corrosion resistant and harder gear material but not with all those other qualities at this price point.

[@RH421939]

I love my slammer 3 I picked up a saltist a couple months ago haven't had the chance to use it yet living in shitty new jersey, but heading to cancun on Monday and I will be trying it out down there

[@Kaptainrdean]

Hi, I'm from the Uk and it's getting very confusing what daiwa is offering here. Are the BG magsealed, saltist nero and saltist black bay the same reel? The daiwa uk website makes no mention of anything saltist now like it never existed. The 'new' bg magsealed looks suspiciously similar, but is cheaper than the saltist would typically be. Very mysterious what's going on.....

[@tolpacourt]

Titanium is impervious to salt water. Does not corrode at all.

[@jtoker9758]

Wish you did more reviews lately but I'll just binge watch your old vidjoes I reckon.

[@dixondjallen6620]

I guess I'm lucky. Ive never had a line lay issue with any penn spinning reels. And I currently have clashs, spinfishers and slammers. Offshore, fathoms and trolling squall (4)30vsw's and (2) 50vsw's. Great 2 speed trolling reels. And use the slammer III 8k's. One 8500 and 2 8500HS for spotting fish offshore. No, i dont take all 3 with me lol! And again, never any issues including line lay... I think penn went thru a bad quality issues time about a decade ago but they have really stepped their game up since then...

[@TackleAdvisors]

Poor line lay is mainly an issue on their lower end. Though a thump / click in the slammer 3 is a major complaint....and even those who have received replacements direct from penn have received reels with the same issue. Slammer 3, Spinfisher vi, fathoms and squalls are great!

[@dixondjallen6620]

I own both and the slammer easily wins

[@nicklo423]

Hi "TA". Just bought myself a new reel for Pike fishing - Okuma Raw 2 40 fd. I have a thing for just Okuma reels and i needed a new reel. So i tought that one was going to be a good reel for that purpose. The reel cost me 95 dollars. My question is, can you do a review on that reel? Let me know what you think about it. Greetings from Sweden.

[@dewaynethomas3258]

Is the new Saragossa better than the new saltist bg mq trying to make a decision on both of these reels

[@aidanlau795]

Daiwas have aluminium main gear. The grade of aluminium used changes depending on the price of the reel

[@danielbeavers8701]

I have a question! I do fresh watter fishing. So would i be better off buying saltwater reels? Like would they last longer? Would they require less cleaning? It seems like it would but i could be wrong. I have a 2500 BG and i absolutely love it. I figured it would last longer. So is this the case or am i might something?

[@TackleAdvisors]

The bg is a do everything reel....with sizes specifically fit for freshwate applications. Nother really makes a saltwater reel a saltwater specific reel......conversely. Carp reels were brought into the USA as long distance casting surf reels...and many didn't holdup well. If the saltist is your reel with mag seal and more rust resistant bearings.....and some rubber seals......It helps extend like new performance...but they aren't sealed like a saragosa or van staal...Stradics have similar levels of sealing to the saltist.

[@bpoin1]

Thanks for the review! I have been going back and forth between these two brands. I own some penn gear. And some diawa gear. Looking to make a purchase for a new striper set up. Thanks for the info

[@troycote4503]

Are you really saying Slammer 3 over Saragossa? What about the BG MO? Really like to see the Saltist vs the BG MQ. How's the Daiwa vs Realist?

[@HenryDarr]

I've got a Penn Slammer 3 8500HS on a 12ft Shimano coastal revolution topped up with 50 pound daiwa J braid. It's heavy asf, the wind knots are real ! Might sell it and put the money towards a 2018 stella FJ.

[@slaymond4293]

Lot's of people have said that the J braid is prone to wind knots... it's a very thin, light, pliable braid. It doesn't have much rigidity at all which is good until the line flops around mid cast and gets tangled on top of itself. I definitely would try some different braid before giving up on the reel.

[@TackleAdvisors]

I've gone through about 2000 yards of j braid...tip wraps sure....But not a single wind knot...Wind knots are 90% user error...Or in some cases....how the reel manages the line....Penn is notorious for sneezing blobs of braid. Even this reel. Often with penn reels you have to underspool them a tad. When you close the bail be sure to feather tension on your line prior to the retrieve.

[@1FishinAddict]

This post is old but the pre 2014 quantum Cabo pts has bronze main gear and a sealed shaft.

[@TackleAdvisors]

Not so sure about that..I put this out in 2013 right when the reel came out......Not a sealed shaft but a sealed clutch.....*daiwa says they have a mag sealed main shaft on all their spinners which is incorrect...it's a mag sealed ar clutch housing.... Here are all the pics....Cast zince with what appears to be a heat treat or something.... The link is from stripersonline a website I moderate. www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/topic/537342-2013-cabo-50-ptscould-it-replace-my-saragosa-6000-cabo-vs-gosa-fightwell-kinda/#comment-8439026

[@1FishinAddict]

Maybe even earlier than that one you linked. It’s one version prior to the 14 Cabo ( images.app.goo.gl/U69orPxXeh5RPxgEA ) it has bronze gearing. I have a csp40pts for inshore and it still perform til this date, just need cleaning and greasing every few season.

[@adithyankollam9452]

Hey can you say which is the best spinning reel for grouper fishing from shore

[@TackleAdvisors]

what lb test are you using and what kind of presentation? I've never done shore based grouper fishing..Do I assume correctly that you'll be slinging bait around structure? And would prefer heavy braid and leaders? If so....5500 slammer or 8/10k saragosa would be the best bet. Outside of a conventional.

[@adithyankollam9452]

@@TackleAdvisors no man I'm using lure for groupers and I'm from kerala India

[@adithyankollam9452]

@@TackleAdvisors in our fishing spot about 10-15 kilograms of groupers are caught on traditional handline fishing

[@vinfish4697]

Do you guys prefer the round knob or traditional T style?

[@RH421939]

I like the round knob

[@vinfish4697]

Saltwater Angler I guess I need to use one all day to feel the difference I could be missing out?

[@44studawg]

Round feels better. Look up Gomexus knobs to replace your handles.

[@vinfish4697]

Stuarticus86 Thx

[@chasinglegendsco325]

T gives u blisters

[@44studawg]

Eh I prefer the the Saltist. Faster retrieve rate and holds more line...Perfect for my type of fishing. I also prefer the tournament drag which helps prevent losing fish on the strike. As for the handle I replaced the T-handle for a Gomexus Knob. For drag you really don’t need more than 25 lbs unless you’re going for tuna or sharks. Anything higher is a marketing ploy. I got my Saltist 5000 at $209 and my Slammer 5500 at $270.

[@44studawg]

npgSymboL I don’t think they have a website because I tried looking. I got mine on ebay from gomexusfishing. Takes about 2 weeks though but you can check out some youtube videos on gomexus knobs. I’d be wary getting it from Alibaba because I got a knockoff version of the gomexus knob that didn’t exactly fit my reel because the screws kept coming loose. The one from ebay is legit and the screws and washers were definitely different from the one I got from Alibaba.

[@jimbo4612]

"25lbs of drag all you really need unless you're going for Tuna and sharks" Got Sturgeon, White seabass,big lingcod here in Nor cal that can destroy lesser drags from the heat generated. Maybe your not a big fish type angler but rest assured what your saying here is to limited. Guys on Florida giant grouper who would also fully disagree with your comment.

[@44studawg]

jim bo We use different reels and set ups for big grouper down here lol. Your comment is irrelevant

[@johnhollis3419]

Looking forward to your line capacity reports for the complete line of similarly sized spools on Saltist vs. Slammer III.

[@ACanOfRed]

I'd be keen to see an update on this, with the recently released slammer IV dx vs saltist MQ.

[@vasiliskoumoundouros5049]

I am very much interested in knowing about their mechanical power comparison when it comes to crank up and reel in under pressure. Does the larger main gear and pinion of the saltist play a role against the smaller but brass one of Penn? What about the lever/handle angle? Is the main shaft thicker and stronger in the slammer than in saltist? What about the ratio 6.2:1 -smaller diameter spool for penn 4500 to 5.6:1 for saltist equivalent?

[@gavinlangford2984]

Hi great video...I have a shimano biomaster 8000xsb but i am looking for a new fixed spool for tope and conger which one of these two would you recommend to go with a Century TTR? I was also looking at the Daiwa bg 6500 or the penn spinfisher 7500 or would you recommend a multiplier? Any help will be greatly appreciated!

[@BubbaNoze]

We need to be able to test these claims for maximum drag. That is, test to see if that drag rating is accurate AND test to see if reel can actually tolerate that max drag setting, e.g., with a big fish that is capable of pulling drag at max setting. E.g., the Penn Spinfisher V w/Slammer drag claims 30lbs of drag. BUT the reel (in my case SSV6500) can't tolerate that max drag setting. Big AJ on repeated runs caused rotor nut to break threads and pull rotor off-axis -- causing the rotor to hang and disrupted drag. Problem confirmed by Alan Hawk. Can these reels actually generate the drag rating they claim? How test whether the reel can hold up to this max drag setting over time? Or do we just assume reels aren't really designed to support their max drag setting?

[@TackleAdvisors]

I wish there was a way I could test drag... I myself have only really been let down a scant few times by drag numbers... At the same time I've also damaged reels testing drag numbers trying to get to the spec... I no long do drag tests because I really don't want the headaches... Additionally it's not max drag its how it performs at or near its max... Other than lock down fw bass fishing for fish that couldn't beat a scup in a tug of war... I never go over 20lbs on spinning gear... The hardest fighting fish I target are tuna... And even 100lb tuna can be easy peasy.. . I understand what Aj can do.... And the reasons why the strength is needed... But that's outside of my wheelhouse..... I've actually seen a mangled spinfisher at that spot.. But he fell on it.... I personally think in 2020 it's sad that manufacturers can't provide video of drag performance tests....

[@BubbaNoze]

@@TackleAdvisors Thanks for taking the time to respond. Never cared too much about max drag ratings until I started jigging for AJs!

[@HillWillE]

Doyou have a different channel where it shows you using the reels in action?

[@evelynday6219]

Very keen to buy the new slammer but that lower pinion support and wear seems like an achilles heel, there is a lot of torque under load in this area and chewing out what effectively the main body of the reel is not cool! Why on earth did they not bearing or at least bush it!

[@B.A.brackishangler]

Can the AR clutch be removed or disabled (remove the locking pins) using only the bac up AR system? Just wondering since the AR clutch always seems to be the weakest point.

[@aidanlau795]

Daiwa reels usually have more drag than listed on the website u should test the drag. Im pretty sure the gear of the saltist is machined aluminium.

[@TackleAdvisors]

The saltist is cast zinc. It's the same exact part that's in the bg. Saltist back bay gets the most forged and machined alu gear. The last drag test broke the reel.

[@mikew.762]

I use Shimano for my ultra light setups casting 500 times a day. I’m about to get a Daiwa BG 5000 for my striper rig.

[@TackleAdvisors]

Good reel... May even be able to drop down to a 4k.. Great fit on do all rated 10'6 rods and under.. Fits enough 30lb braid to rip

[@bennyrosado5402]

Can I use the main gear from a penn 4500 slammer 3 on a penn 4500 spin fisher v?

[@Cornuts1000]

Brass main gear may be better but not when you run it against the Brass pinion. Aluminum to brass would be better or stainlees even better

[@TackleAdvisors]

I'm not so sure about that. If that were true dissimilar metals would be used throughout industry. Like metals wear at an even rate. Dissimilar metals one wears the other

[@Cornuts1000]

I'm not convinced of that. Why does Daiwa run a Zinc to Brass then . I will research this .

[@TackleAdvisors]

@@Cornuts1000 because it's dirt cheap. And they aren't machined zinc just cast. Daiwas stainless on brass gear sets wear prematurely which is a shame because it's a 400$ reel.

[@robertdumicz7309]

You're bitterly mistaken, not only brass for 200 bucks but even stainless steel for even a shorter bill..! Fin Nor Offshore offers for 100 to 150 bucks stainless steel from head to toe, shaft, pinion, gear and even handle out of stainless steel and the pieces are realy strong, 6,4 mm thick shaft, about 15 mm thick pinion and about 48 to 50 mm diameter main gear. With 60 lbs of drag and some heavy duty grease in the reel, one is good to go for the big fish: Fin Nor Offshore: It could catch a big fish ! No bells and wistles as backup anti-reverse, one way ball bearings and not much sealing, (nevertheless it has drag sealing and handle sealing) but its drive train is stronger than both those reels together.

[@barlow2976]

The only problem being you can't lift the Fin Nor?

[@robertdumicz7309]

@@barlow2976 I can lift the Fin Nor so if you can't lift it you're gonna die soon, no good sign that a bad lack of power for a man... A man being unable to lift or to hold 1100 gramm... Yeah... You can't lift 1100 gramm but you can 800-900...

[@felgercarb3803]

I will just stick with my Penn Slammer 460 for saltwater fishing and be happy and worry free for the rest of my life. For freshwater fishing nothing beats my Daiwa Ballistic LT.

[@isubzerol]

Hello, relatively new to this channel and I’m really enjoying the informative and unbiased reviews. Have you ever dismembered/reviewed the Penn Conflict II reel? Would really like to know your thoughts. Thanks!

[@Machster10]

The Diawa Saltist has problems. The top of the has a rim around the the drag knob that line gets hung up on. It's a major issue since it does create huge tangles in your braid. Also the handle will self destruct quickly. The washers literally will grind away so you have to buy an after market handle.

[@Fishing31South]

Hey mate, What are your thoughts on long cast spools for surf casting? For example the Penn SurfBlaster II. I'm in Australia and surf fish for Tailor or what you call Bluefish with 2.8oz metal lures and 20lb braid. Thanks

[@nyoussef2623]

Great info, I personally spend 3 hours at tackel direct comparing those 2 reels I couldn't come to a conclusion and start to consider to bite the bullet and buy a Van Staal vr150 although everyone is recommending the slammer. I have used my trusty Daiwa BG for a rough year and it is still running as new. Please advise. Thanks

[@TackleAdvisors]

The VR is a great reel. It's sealed better than both...If you need it. And it has one of the most durable desgins you could ever ask for (don't let the marketing fool you....The VSX isn't leaps and bounds better) Van staal / zebco had to buy the design...otherwise the VS would be DOA....not enough room for a third premium surf reel especially at hundreds less. But it's $$$$ in comparison. amzn.to/2DwOUdt almost 3 x what you pay for the slammer amzn.to/2pfnm8m But ya gotta get a good one....the quality control has been touch and go with them. But...You can't rule out the saragosa sw. It's sealed as good if not better than the slammer. ((which nobody seems to realize)) Especially at the ar clutch...With dual lip seals as well as a grease barrier between the dual lips. Probably the best all around surf reel goin

[@nyoussef2623]

Thanks

[@MattsSaltwaterFishing]

This is the video I didn't know I have been waiting for lol.

[@TackleAdvisors]

Same here!!

[@MattsSaltwaterFishing]

Very informative video, I had been looking at these and in this video you did a great job comparing the differences between the two.

[@kresanreddy6809]

Any videos on the spinfisher 8500 vi? Please refer me to it, thanks

[@ElJuicePerformance]

Great video like always

[@bigalcervantes5118]

Great job, as a surf fisherman, I wish you could do a review between the seigler sm multiplier vs the Akios 656 dynamo reels its about a $200 difference in price. I would like to make an informed purchase. Lol. They are very expensive reels

[@jariol]

Would it be possible to cover the thickness of the Penn's reel foot? I have 2 Spinfisher V reels. They have thick feet that sometimes have fitting issues with seating on a rod. What comes to mind is mounting my Spinfisher V 4500 on my 7ft Shimano Crucial rod. The hood on the Crucial was not high enough to fit the thick foot of the Penn

[@franciscopeixoto6609]

I have the same set up. I filled my reel To fit snug

[@williamgoring7605]

Yeah the pens always been a good real thank God I'm loyal to pen I've never done wrong I just can't leave that the competition reels out there are not using the brass gears and keeping up with the competition well that's on them thank you much on that and good fishing to you

[@maxpowers2009]

You ought to at least check out Alan Hawk's review of the BG 8000. He gave a full explanation of the cast zinc gearing and that it is perfectly acceptable for the type of fishing the reel is designed for. It is the same type of metal used in the original BG which is still going strong after all these years. BTW there is nothing special about the saltist compare to the BG except for the sealing which is gimmicky at best. BG comes in at $90-115.

[@TackleAdvisors]

I know the review and Alan. He's featured me on his site. I'm a big fan of the gears used in the new Daiwa spinners. But for the price the saltist is at there are better. Look at the saltist back bay as an example. And everything else in the 200$ range now. The BG is probably the best 99$ reel out.

[@JOETERRANY]

New subscriber and love you videos, just wanted to thank you very helpful. Big question for you, if you had to choose one reel out of all the reels you have reviewed for surf fishing which would it be? Any price range?

[@TackleAdvisors]

Out of what I reviewed... Saragosa... Out of the reels I've owned... Van Staal or Zeebaas... Zeebaas being the king of the beach.... If you order one tell Rob that tackle advisors says hi!

[@shorejiggerchris3364]

So is the pinion gear well supported on the slammer or not?Because in other video you mentioned a bad pinion base design and now compared to the Saltist which has better pinion support on its base with bushing or ball bearing(not sure what excactly)the the Slammer takes the point at your opinion.So does the Slammer has a good overall pinior support to last long or not?Thank you.

[@TackleAdvisors]

I like the way they do it on the saltist and shimano better.....but is one way more mechanically sound than the other? I really can't say for sure. Both are rock solid. However...and i'm finishing up the comparison to the saragosa.....but the waterproofness of the slammer is suspect. corroded ball bearings in 2 locations on this reel. (penn is replacing the reel) Which sucks because after some use and a lube swap....it turned into a very nice reel.

[@shorejiggerchris3364]

Tackle Advisors. So the quality control is the worst part of the Slammer..again..But anyway i dont think that every body does surf fishing with this reel so in normal spinning or jigging technics the reel should perform realy well.Its my opinion.In a few days im waiting the 5500 model which i think is the best comparison to the saltist 4500 and Saragosa 8000sw shich i cant wait to see your compassion.Can you please tell me about handle play?Does it have any?

[@TackleAdvisors]

Yeah...very true...but it's ruggedness is one of it's most attractive points...which the land based anglers in the entire northeast us (my neck of the woods) value the most. As a jigging reel....it'll be great! Rock solid...and handle play equal to that found on reels offered by the japanese companies (daiwa shimano) I kind of like the Saragosa a bit better because I trust it...I've had a few over the years...and other than early on having unbalanced rotors.....they have been bulletproof and consistently so. The Slammer is better for jigging on paper....But the gosa going back to the F was great for pelagics as well (and the SW even upgraded the problematic drag knob to a metal plunger vs high temp plastic that caused issues in the past when getting smoked by tuna something to check on the larger slammer) The smaller slammer i have has a plastic drag knob....A friends saltiga 4000 knob deformed and bound to the spool...Not sure it you'll be effected as it's a rare issue....and I'm not sure if the larger slammer upgrades it to metal.

[@shorejiggerchris3364]

Tackle Advisors I dont really care about drag knob and i dont think that it will fail that easy.Anyway i chose the Slammer over the Saragosa sw only beacause the weight of the 8000 gosa is 680gr(too heavy for my 3.05m shore jigging rod).Hope i bought a good reel without quality control problems..When are you going to upload the comparison?

[@TackleAdvisors]

Cool...yeah..that was a niche issue..i remember being out in the canyons next to Renegade mike (charter captain) he had a 200lb fish on for about half an hour....we were tigth on a pair of 50" fish. Heard a gunshot...was the line breaking...later that week he posted about the knob binding on his gosa...and a few others claimed the same as well...they updated them with high temp plastics but some still had issues....a friend of mine had a shark take a jack on his saltiga and same thing occurred...so it's nice to see the metal in that location....is it a major flaw.... to some yeah...to most no. I'm filming the drag comparison intro and outro now...hoping tomorrow...they are very similar in design.....and i mean VERY simillar

[@wickedEPRacing]

awesome review..!!!! i have 3 slammers...two of which are 4500's and i love them. the drag is so smooth...but as you said..the drag at its loosest setting is still a little stiff.

[@ShellDwellersFishNanoReef-Only]

Shimano Stradic FL 5000 or Daiwa Saltist 3000 for blue fish ?

[@BlueButtonMasher]

I own both of these reels and agree with almost everything in this video but I prefer to fish the saltist, it just has better feel and casts better. don't think you can go wrong either way and the slammer is an actual awesome surf reel whereas the saltist just isnt.

[@TackleAdvisors]

I agree with everything you said!

[@steveburch5113]

Help! I LOVE your vids. I am so new that occasionally some terms swoosh over my head, but that is OK. I am catching on fast, My questions are about your camera and audio. What camera are you using, do you use a mic other than what comes with the camera, and are you looking at a separate monitor when you check focus and what is and is not in the field of view? Thanks in advance.

[@cu4at]

were i can buy daiwa magsealed oil ? i need for a manutenance and i don´t see no sellers , eny one can tell me were to buy magsealed ?thanks in adevance

[@samotmane5043]

Hey scooby I'm brand new to the van staal deal, just bought a Vr 150 and I love it but the drag isn't as smooth as I had hoped. any tips on getting the most out of the reels drag system as well as the reel in general (lube,maintenance,etc) always interested in hearing your thoughts.

[@TackleAdvisors]

I haven't been in the drag on that reel. And I sold my last 2 vsb's years ago.... Is it not smooth when desktop fondling or when under pressure fighting a fish... Big difference when you have tons of seals

[@TackleAdvisors]

Are you on stripersonline.com?

[@samotmane5043]

Tackle Advisors ha funny I never actually made an account I just like reading the forums over there, there's a lot of knowledge on stripersonline. I knew scoobydoo before I knew tackleadvisors I'll say that. But to answer your question I'll be more specific. The drag isnt sticky but the pressure is inconsistent. Going quickly from tighter to looser it makes the rod bounce like crazy when a fish runs. I tied my line to a post and walked backward slowly to feel the drag pressure without tail beats and such and observed the same thing.

[@emiliopaolo610]

@tackle advisors What about the saragosa?

[@robthorpe1591]

I own the Slammer III 6500HS, BG 5000 and Saragosa 8000 so for me this review was very informative. Thank you.

[@TackleAdvisors]

Cool you got the trifecta!!

[@robthorpe1591]

Yeah - I'm spoilt for choice this season. I managed to find the BG 5000 after Xmas for $75 - no brainer, the Slammer 6500HS for $176, another no brainer - a Shimano Spheros 8000 for $150 - no brainer, to supplement my Saragosa. If you hunt for the deals they are out there.

[@robthorpe1591]

I'm looking forward for the comparison with my baby girl Sara Gosa.

[@robthorpe1591]

I do love Sara - she smooth as silk!!

[@dixondjallen6620]

I paired my slammer III with a star paraflex and absolutely is the best snook combo I've ever fished with. With my Sewell custom rod paired with another slammer III coming in a very close second.

[@jairusaudwin2605]

when will you make slammer VI video?

[@doge_fishing]

I love your vids but was bummed to see the out come. I was hoping the saltist was gonna be better. The slammer is the obvious winner I'm not a Penn fan headed my spinfisher v, and other spinfishers of the past. I was hoping the saltist was going to a surf worthy sealed reel.i want to pull the trigger on the saltiga but concerned about sand binding it up.If I got a saltist and sand screwed it up no biggie it's not huge investment but saltiga gets bound up from sand gonna be pissed and can't bring myself to buy a penn.so maybe VR200. Thanks Again.

[@kristiancacic6361]

Can you please give me advice i am between penn slammer 3 and daiwa bg i will use it for light jigging .my operational depth is about 20m to 45m.

[@TackleAdvisors]

Hi Kristian, I'd go penn slammer 3. It is a very good reel. Provided you get a good one...I've seen some defects out there...but a good slammer is a spectacular reel.

[@kristiancacic6361]

Thank you very much for your prompt answer.

[@TackleAdvisors]

you're welcome tight lines!!

[@russackermann]

Is the 2016 saltist a great reel for $183 new in box or are the newer reels better for the $$?

[@TackleAdvisors]

I like the gosa or spheros over it if it's gonna see hard use in the salt. Same with the slammer...(and i'm not a penn guy in the least) If you are not using it in the surf and sand....and it's kept high and dry for th emost part....the saltist is a good reel...The back bay if the sizes and capacity works for you are better reels imho.

[@superlenz9156]

Great review!! Looking forward to future reviews!

[@michaelmacdonald5509]

Great vid as usual have u made a video on the Saragossa and I’ve just missed it or maybe not but for future vids I’ve been a Shimano guy for a while (until these daiwas are starting to come around) maybe when the new reels come out get down with the new stradic and Saragossa comparing them to the spheros and old saragossa also just wondering if you have ever been inside of a Cabo or any quantum thanks great vid

[@michaelmacdonald5509]

Was wondering about the gear in saltist is it the same as bg and back bay dosent look the same

[@TackleAdvisors]

Hi Mike, Thanks man! I hada Cabo 50 PTSD. I did a review on the 50 while alan did his usual on the 80 That can be found here www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/topic/537342-2013-cabo-50-ptscould-it-replace-my-saragosa-6000-cabo-vs-gosa-fightwell-kinda/ Wasn't the biggest of fans of the wimpy flexy bail wire and handle. Cast zinc gear as well although it appears to be heat treated or something..(not sure if it's changed) I kinda made the Saragosa F as popular as it was....at least when it comes to forums. I also was the dude that pushed for the 10k size. I have a 10k sw gosa in pieces now....GOnna film the review soon. I've had a few gosa sw's over the years.....sold em all as they jsut became backups to stellas....but I like them better than the Penn slammer....Slammer is still better on paper gear wise and drag and materials....But the gosa is smoother and just as powerful. Manages line better and is sealed at the same level wihtout being tight.

[@TackleAdvisors]

The saltist in this vid uses the exact same gear as the BG...The saltist back bay uses forged machined aluminum...which is an upgrade over the cast zinc

[@rickhernandez9451]

Love your videos. Thanks for the info. The commercials are def too much, def ruining the videos

[@FoxxCross]

Awesome review as always man! Ive got the saltist 2500 it seems to have the same machined main gear as the newer ballistic and fuego. It has me wondering at what point in the sizes did they decided to change main though.. XD

[@TackleAdvisors]

Woah...hold the front door....lol................Really? it has the forged machined alu main gear? When did that happen? I know the back bay has it ...never knew any of the others did

[@FoxxCross]

I take that back.. I just took a closer look at it completely apart and it is indeed Zinc with a machined outside edge. they almost had me XD I'll shoot you some pictures.

[@EpIkYrIgMeNoS7]

Gosh what u did to me i ordered daiwa saltist 4500 ltd for shore jigging am i gonna regret it? i use only daiwa reels

[@TackleAdvisors]

Just don't beat on it in the sand... It's not a rugged reel but it's a good fishin reel

[@EpIkYrIgMeNoS7]

@@TackleAdvisors no i fish only in rocks but you know i fish in bad weather too rogue waves always hit on rocks and wet everything on their reel too thats my only problem. And one last question whats the difference between saltist and saltist ltd cause i orded the ltd the one with the ball arm