People don't understand the Yuuzhan Vong

[@EckhartsLadder]

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[@Qbertqueso]

The Yuuzhan Vong feel like 40k xenos that popped up in star wars by mistake

[@zuephillips3450]

I feel like that is a comment of how much better the writing is in 40k than star wars.

[@JCIce007]

@@zuephillips3450 People were saying that about the Vong way back when they were new and 40K had very little narrative movement as a setting.

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

There is actually a Theory about that. They were chased from the 40k Galaxy by the Men of Iron. Hence their hatred for Machinery. That their Bioforms are pretty much Domesticated Tyranids cut off from the Hivemind. It does fit in the Star Wars Canon as they were canonically driven from their universe by a Sentient Machine Race.

[@Qbertqueso]

@@zuephillips3450 if that's how you feel cool but that's not what I was hinting at personally. The tone and presentation of the Yuuzhan Vong just fit better in 40k imo

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@QbertquesoYeah, they always felt like something a kid would make in creative writing class back in the 80s.

[@lordinvictus793]

The Vong would be extremely controversial, if they came out today. 1. They are a deeply religious people, and that's not something Disney would want to touch. 2. The Vong are violent. Like deeply R rated. Slaughter and torture alike. 3. The Vong's social and political order is both fanatically hierarchical, and deeply severe. Eckhart really isn't going into the actual details here-the Vong are a passionate people that are on a religious crusade to conquer the galaxy SW, and replace its civilization with their own. They have a severe social hierarchy, and a religiosity I can only describe as passionate in its intensity and grandiosity. (Meaning they believe with deep sincerity their gods are real and have given them the universe as their domain). They are basically an alien Imperium of Man. The average Vong warrior is as fanatical about as a space marine.

[@intergalactic92]

You say that like they aren’t controversial now.

[@Eagle-mn9mo]

I don't think they would be, at least not as controversial as you make them out to be. The Jedi and Sith are already religions, the Yuuzhan Vong would just be another one on the pile. You can definetely make them PG-13. Slaughter and torture can just be shown by implication. Remember how Han was tortured on Cloud City? And finally, you really don't need to spend that much time on them. Alien invasion movies don't really go into detail about the invaders in general, you just need to establish them as a threat. People are afraid of the unknown, after all. I don't see movies like Edge of Tomorrow or Battleship looking closely into the social structures of the invading force.

[@pancakes8670]

They would be controversial in that they don't fit in Star Wars, and completely ruin Palpatine/The Empire as characters. Get this 40k shit out of Star Wars

[@pancakes8670]

​@@Eagle-mn9moExactly. I don't like Disney Star Wars either, but it's dumb for OP to claim they completely ignore religion. Me thinks OP has some political biases

[@EdwardWood-yu8mi]

​@@pancakes8670If I remember the emperor's premonition of the vong is why his footsoldiers and military were primarily non-forcesensitives.

[@ToaCody1]

The Yuuzhan Vong were the direct Star Wars analogue to the Dominion from Star Trek: an indomitable, external force that challenged _everything_ about the franchise.

[@bobbyshaddoe3004]

They were interesting by and large because it provided something new, something to test the mettle of our heroes, especially the Jedi as they couldn't be detected by the Force. The problem was that things always got so depressing, it seemed like the heroes couldn't catch a break, and even when they won, they still lost.

[@jackolantern147]

We need the Yuuzhang Vong War battle breakdown series to return.

[@Marryjanesbud]

And Disney needs to watch it before attempting another franchise

[@TheMoparguy383]

@@Marryjanesbud So they can avoid this race of edgelords entirely. The Vong are what got me to stop reading Star Wars books as a kid.

[@The_Car_Pen]

​@@TheMoparguy383 I don't blame you. Some of the books in the series had terrible writers and could be a hard read. The better books are great though and really tell a good story

[@SURGEONAA2]

@@TheMoparguy383 MUH EDGELORDS I DON’T HAVE ANY VALID CRITICISM SO I’M JUST GOING TO CALL THE VONG EDGELORDS

[@TheMoparguy383]

@@SURGEONAA2 The Vong race is the lamest antagonist in the entire EU, the writers tried so hard to make them seem darker and more of a threat than the sith that they went so far as to be a parody of themselves. They took a cool concept (extra galactic threat) and tacked on some masochistic mutilation fetish that should have stayed in the head writer's sex dungeon where it belonged. So yeah, dull, uninteresting edgelords. The writer's relied on grittiness and gore instead of any depth, much like Marvel's Ultimate comic run. Their foothold in the galaxy relied on every hero leaving their brains at home and some flimsy excuse for the Jedi not being able to see them in the force. The whole story was misery for the sake of misery. Edginess to hide a lack of depth, and a goth esthetic to distract from the two dimensional characters. Each major characters' death was for pure shock value that would do jack all to advance the story. There's you valid criticism.

[@haydennoble9253]

The Yuhzan Vons are like reverse Adepta Mechanicus. Instead the flesh is weak, the flesh is strong.

[@julianstone1192]

So basically the Sarkics from the SCP universe

[@doomslayer9138]

The Vong are simply the perfect enemies for the Jedi, they are extremely strong beings with biotechnology, blaster-proof armor and completely invisible to the force Just the refreshment Star Wars needs

[@AlexTekle]

frankly they’re a bit TOO perfect of a counter for Jedi imo. we already have a whole galaxy to explore, adding extragalactic foes feels like a bridge too far for me.

[@ninjalectualx]

Haha I thought the opposite. The Yuuzhan Vong never felt Star-Warsy to me. They're like Waroo from Crystal Star they just don't mix with the rest of the universe imo

[@michaelanderson2166]

@@AlexTekle I liked the Crystal Star. They had a force hunting monster and a force dampening monster that were great.

[@Sergio-nb4hj]

People before you comment, acquaint yourself with the Unifying Force. The Yuuzhan Vong are still connected to the main galaxy. People have a lot of misconceptions as to where the Yuuzhan Vong "fit" into star wars. That book explains it, and then some

[@NareshSinghOctagon]

Yuuzhann Vong,after the literal giant Earth insects,is far better anything Disney has ever come up with,and fits so much better.

[@obi-wancanoli8236]

#AskEck On the topic of the Yuuzhan Vong, I've always has this idea about them running into a location infested with the Sith technovirus. What would happen? Would the Vong just start crying "Heresy!!" at the idea of being forcefully turned into machines? What would the ensuing battle look like?

[@EckhartsLadder]

Yeah that would be terrifying for them

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

I don't think it would actually effect them. It's Force Based first of all, and second their BioTech is so Strong they don't seem to actually be effected by disease (until of course the New Republic makes a Superweapon based off their genetic material specifically).

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@justinlast2lastharder749You mean the only when they get retconed and nerfed to give the heroes a chance at the end of the series?

[@SpaceJawa]

That kind of thinking is why I think that if you had any kind of crossover between Star Wars and Star Trek, the idea of the Yuuzhan Vong vs The Borg is something that I personally find very interesting.

[@cass7448]

@@SpaceJawa The Borg would find the Vong interesting. The Vong would find the Borg to be the stuff of nightmares.

[@AC20sAkimbo]

the not-vong look like storm trooper helmet heads.

[@DashsChannel]

I thought the same thing. I never even heard of them before since I avoid anything in the Disney canon, but right off the bat from the images alone, the Grysk just look like they have an organic stormtrooper helmet for a head. Not at all like the Yuuzhan Vong

[@amarcellus1714]

What I liked about the NJO novels was that the Vong War was the first true test of Luke's Jedi. These were Jedi that had never fought a Sith or been up against a brutal enemy before. At this point only Luke, Mara and Kyle had faced tough opponents. There were many losses during the war but the Jedi emerged stronger than before.

[@theostrichking6921]

been waiting for you to do more videos on the vong

[@ladylolth3057]

I recently played KotoR for the first time and was pleasantly surprised to hear Canderous reference the Vong.

[@fishbones77]

Yeah, it's crazy how long they were on the edges of the galaxy for thousands of years before actually conducting their invasion.

[@shaulkramer7425]

I get what you're saying about the Vong being a bit "edgy"... but at least they were different in a major way.

[@galilea723]

They really were. I'm conflicted about the Vong never really like them but always found interesting how diferent they were and how bold the narrative choices of that era of staw wars were. So I linda respect them...

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

Honestly...I like the Vong. Rebel Dream and Rebel Dawn are the Best Two Book Series in all of Star Wars. Nothing beats Wedge and Tycho happily skipping down the street on Borleias and telling Jaina Solo that they were so excited because today they were going to lose the base to the Vong...on purpose so they could hit them with a Lusankya SSD Orbital Bombardment. That Bromance between the two was classic. Traitor is probably hands down the Best Written Star Wars Book of all time in my opinion. The Breaking and Remaking of Jacen Solo under the tutelage of Vergere.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

⁠@@galilea723Kind of like how different and bold the narrative choices are in the Disney era? 🤣

[@SpaceJawa]

My general opinion is that the Vong are cool in concept, but could have used better execution in some way.

[@galilea723]

@@Lobsterwithinternet No need for a cheap shot. Disney Era is obsessed with beign the OT 2.0. in the Vong Saga happen a lot of thing that are not common in star wars. And like I said I didn't really like most of it but wasn't a deja vu or a story like a lot of moder star wars is.

[@WeaponizedAutism7]

The show/movie story should have it be revealed that Thrawn is intending to usurp the New Republic as a means of protecting against the Grysks, so as a climax it becomes a three-way war

[@TY-km8hj]

It should but won't, all of filonis use of the character directly contradict how he is in the books. Zhan himself has said he doesn't have involvement and doesn't see his input being used

[@intergalactic92]

@@TY-km8hjFiloni wanted an imperial admiral to act as his main antagonist. Instead of making his own he used one that already existed in the Star Wars Universe. Because why not? The character functionally already exists.

[@WeaponizedAutism7]

@@TY-km8hj Filoni’s Thrawn is definitely more legends Thrawn but that would still mirror legends Thrawn’s motivations quite closely

[@TY-km8hj]

@intergalactic92 problem is he's using a fan favourite that he can't do justice cos he doesn't have the talent or understanding of the character for that sadly. If he wanted to use one established he could've used legit any grand admiral or imperial warlord from the EU but he chose thrawn cos it generates more interest. Imo the fact he didn't use an original character and is reliant on characters that are already made and established is telling to me, he's not the creative powerhouse ppl make him out to be

[@TY-km8hj]

@WeaponizedAutism7 ehhh in terms of him being a straight up antagonist like in the OG thrawn trilogy sure, but that's about it. Later Zhan changed things and made thrawn more nuanced and outright went against what he originally created by saying he wasnt purely evil or selfish and thats the version that carried over into canon. Regardless of which depiction filoni wanted to adapt he still doesn't get the genius or strategy right in rebels or ahsoka to make ppl think hes a mastermind or great threat at all. On top of that the main issue is that from what we've seen this thrawn is nothing like the canon Timothy Zhan version in the books which is bad cos the whole point of canon was it being an connected universe no matter the medium. They don't gel at all. The viewers shouldn't have to do mental gymnastics cos ur depiction contradicts the other (that also came first from the acc creator).

[@jkamin88]

I like the Yuuzhan Vong because they use different tech then everyday enemy the galaxy delt with they made the New Republic think differently how to deal with the issue.

[@randytessman6750]

Guess am in the minority then, have always liked the Vong as a galactic enemy. Personally thought they were over the top to be the "space horde" of Star Wars, that enemy that unites other enemies to fight against them. Thou with disneys track record am glad that haven't included them in any of the movies .......... yet

[@NareshSinghOctagon]

You're not the minority,you're part of the majority who all agree that everything pre-Disney take over was far better then what Disney chose to do. The Vong is something we need,along with a complete retcon of the Disney crap.

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

​@@NareshSinghOctagonThe problem is, NOBODY has the balls to do the Vong Right. They don't want a Villainous Race of...Space ISIS. It might offend the Muslims and we totally can't have that... No really, they tend to do mass murder events when they get offended.

[@pancakes8670]

​​@@NareshSinghOctagonHe's in the minority in hating the Vong, and I am too. The Vong is not what modern Star Wars needs. What modern Star Wars needs is more media like Andor and potentially KOTOR. The Vong completely subvert the core of the series by retconning Palpatine and the Empire into being the secret good guys. If they were adapted into the Sequel Trilogy by Disney or by Lucas, you all would think they're dumb villains too.

[@NareshSinghOctagon]

@@pancakes8670 ,they don't? No amount of Palpatine preparing for the Vong invasion changes the fact that he had the contingency plan to literally destroy every planet he could upon his death. Nor does it ever change blowing up an entire planet just to make a statement,the many,many tales of corrupt Imperials doing all kinds of nasty stuff,the enslavement of the Wookies alone to mine spice covers that,a ruthless ruling empire preparing to face off a bloodthirsty threat does not make the ruhtless ruling empire rule less ruthlessly. What modern Star Wars needs is the wipe off of the sequel trilogy,and the actual implementation of the lore that was actually made to cover that period that Disney refuses to cover.

[@uberness77]

@@pancakes8670 Factually false. Palpatine learned about the Vong after he was making his plans. The vong were a future threat to his Empire, but it was an Empire he planned for long before he knew about them. Stop getting lore from Tiktok

[@DashsChannel]

I was NOT expecting the Buck Bumble theme at the end 🐝🎵 Eckhart you absolute mad lad

[@neofulcrum5013]

I hope to see their counter part, the Grysk in the upcoming film. But I’m probably asking for a miracle.

[@212GeneralKenobi]

Me too, Zahn did an exellent job as always setting them up in his books

[@rmw9420]

5:00 I mean, what would you expect from a species that HASN'T grown in and developed in the known starwars galaxy.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Something less like something I would have come up with as a kid?

[@AthEE_One]

​​@@Lobsterwithinternet Not even in my smart kid phase. I imagine (near enough remember) myself coming up with the Vong or something virtually identical in my edgy racist keyboard warrior phase at thirteen.

[@lihkan]

I agree with many criticism of the Vong, but SW DESPERATELY need new fresh threat, then re-hashing Sith/Empire over and over. I really hoped Peridia would lead to something like that

[@Strideo1]

It's supposed to be an entire galaxy. Writers can't imagine stories somewhere in this entire galaxy that aren't rehashing the Sith/Empire conflict? Even the old original Han Solo novels managed to come up with something that didn't involve the Empire or Sith or Jedi.

[@DemonicAdj]

That place is probably setting up like an Abeloth reveal.

[@IrishEyes1994]

Honestly, I mostly like the Yuuzhan Vong. The ideas behind them are pretty interesting to me, and I enjoyed the darker tone that got explored. While I enjoy legends, more than what we currently have personally, it did often feel repetitive. While light vs dark should be the most common thing, it shouldn't be the only thing. Frankly, the dark siders being pumped out were getting less interesting, a break from that was needed. Mixing things up a bit is good. However, I will say the execution behind the Vong was less than perfect. They were clearly making things up as they went along rather than having a set idea from the get-go. Many core elements seemed to be made up on the fly and in response, rather than having a fully coherent idea from the beginning. That's one problem with having a bunch of different writers only loosely collaborating. One case in point, the whole pain worshipping thing was supposed to just be Shedao Shai and his domain, instead other writers didn't understand that and made it a species wide thing, that came from interviews fyi. While I may prefer legends, it was by no means perfect and should have been a lot better, they got too focused on pumping out books as quickly as possible. Slowing down and being more meticulous would have been preferable. Wow I'm long winded haha

[@А280-г3м]

There is nothing wrong with making ideas on the fly. Some of best media was produced this way

[@markwilburn1218]

The Vector Prime? Huh, one of my favorite Transformer characters lol

[@DemonicAdj]

Till All Are One, light our darkest hour

[@chrisclarke4665]

They're just a rip off of the Cenobites from Hellraiser. Walking straight out of Clive Barker's imagination.

[@DemonicAdj]

"we have such sights to show your galaxy"

[@matthewatteberry8711]

I could watch an entire movie on just them.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

I wouldn't. I’d rather watch a month of the history of Frick in Star Wars. Heck, I’d rather watch a month of Bananaman videos than the Vong.

[@dohvahkene4473]

Who knows. Some day we might see them (or the Grysk) brought in via a show. They were nearly brought into Clone Wars before Disney bought Lucasfilm. I don't believe they were going to be as powerful, but there are some sketches of their ships and stuff leftover.

[@matthewatteberry8711]

@@Lobsterwithinternet they are not effected by the force. Imagine the shock on the audience when a Jedi tries to force push them and they just grin.

[@treycarter6736]

I’d be happy with a NJO anime like Castlevania. If you asked me that in 2012 I’d have said no. But post Disney, I’d be ecstatic to have ANYTHING from my adored EU be respected and given its time to shine. I know the majority seem to hate the NJO but I love it. I was a teenager and felt like I aged with the Solo kids and it hit hard when Anakin died. I respect those who dislike it, I do. But I love the NJO and I really will never understand how people can accept the ST but shit on the EU.

[@hunterverseproduction3890]

From my understanding the Yuuzhan Vong and the Grysk have next to the differences in technology one more major difference, that being their war doctrine. As far as I know (I never read The New Jedi Order) the Grysk conquer through force, strategies and violence, like many other evil factions. The Grysk however conquer not by themselves. They use vassals, beings who weaken their enemies for them, causing for example civil wars, so the Grysk can swoop in and take over the weekend nation. Or nfluence the government of a nation, where the population follows blindly, and take over the nation this way. They do not engage in violence if necessary, they stay back and observe, then strike at the right time. I think the true danger of the Grysk is the fact, that you never know, how far they already achieved this goal. With the Yuuzhan Vong, I'd say the danger was pretty obvious.

[@legobi_wan_kenobi]

#AskEck Do you think that Kyle Katarn and Jan Ors will ever make their way into Canon? Or do you think that Cassian Andor and Jyn Erso have effectively replaced Kyle and Jan in the Canon timeline? And by extension, do you think that characters from the Jedi Knight games like Desann, Tavion and Rax Joris could exist in the new canon?

[@corpsedesecrator2612]

The garbage movie rogue one(I fell asleep in theaters when my friends invited me to watch it with them) is basically a gender swapped version of Dark Forces but worst in every way so no we won’t see Kyle Katarn or Jan Ors in canon and how can we? Since Kyle Katarn goes on from defecting to the Rebel faction then becoming a Jedi like his Father before him and goes on to become a Battlemaster in Luke’s NJO and in the sequel failogy Luke’s Jedi Order never prospered as it did in the superior Expanded Universe it exceeding Yoda’s Jedi Order from before and went on to thrive for a century until Darth Krayt initiated the third Galactic Jedi Purge so we will not see any NJO Jedi in canon thankfully and to be fair the mary sue character that is supposed to be a rip off of Kyle Katarn didn’t become a Jedi which is great. So with that no Inquisitor Jerec and his faction of Dark Jedi even though Jerec was a former Jedi Apprentice to the Librarian of the Jedi Archives from the Clones Wars whom died in Order 66 I don’t think he is canon the Jedi Knight games aren’t Disney “canon” because that version of Luke created the prospering NJO went on to fight the Yuuzhan Vong, the Kiliks, Lumiya(many times), Abeloth etc while the Disney Jake Skywalker failed in every way.

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

They deliberately remade those characters. They didn't even try to hide it with Jyn Erso being incredibly similar to Jan Ors and even casted someone that looked like she was cosplaying Jan Ors.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Considering that Disney decanonized everything outside of the films and TCW after they bought it, I would say they might as well not exist.

[@dohvahkene4473]

I could see there being a possibility on them making it into the canon, but it'd have to be changed a bit. For instance, Kyle could still be involved in getting the Death Star plans, but they've need to create some possible way for him to escape Scarif. It could be cool to see a modern day Kyle Katarn fighting the darktroopers prior to Mando season 2, or him as part of Luke's Jedi academy. The rest, I'd be a bit iffy on.

[@Molfra]

Day thirty one of asking Eck my question: #AskEck Why do you think the pirates kept grogu, there was quite obviously a bounty on him considering all the hunters with tracking fobes and I doubt they wouldn't have known about it, so we're actually protecting him. My theory is that after he was saved after the purge, so senator or rebel group hired these pirates to protect him, but was eventually captured by the empire or forgot about grogu, (why he was never given to the new republic after the war), and the pirates not knowing he was a jedi just kept and raised him till mando showed up, killed them and stole their kid.

[@mirrorslash028]

The Grysk look like First Order stormtroopers lol

[@Ghibli-Dude]

Awesome Lop avatar! I'm giving you a thumbs up.

[@wccaptkirk]

Love this topic

[@romangeneral23]

I never knew people "Don't" understand them. They are pretty straightforward and not a complex enemy

[@azurefire-91]

The reason people don't understand them is because they get their Star Wars lore from KZbin shorts and not reputable sources like Ecks or the actual books.

[@starkillerab1582]

Every time you say Grysk I keeping thinking of the food Grits

[@nickvinsable3798]

#AskEck are you willing to do a _Star Wars_ _Pokémon_ crossover narrative where each trilogy is essentially an eight gym & elite four journey? I can easily imagine that the first gym that Luke visits is Jabba’s Palace, but its closed, so Luke moves on & returns in _Return of the Jedi_ 😏 (the elite four in the end here would be during the Battle of Endor & such)…

[@Cykeys]

What do you think Kreia would think of the Vong considering that they did not voluntarily cut themselves off from the Force?

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Kreia would throw herself into the Maw rather than share the universe with such low-tier fanfiction Mary Sues. I know I would. 🦞🤷‍♂️

[@AAhmou]

Honestly, the same thing happened to the Rakata at the height of their Infinite Empire. There is a precedent of the Force cutting off species that harm it too much.

[@Hello-bi1pm]

​@@AAhmou why not cut off the Sith then?

[@leiferikson850]

@@Hello-bi1pm Sith are too inddividual, Yuuzahn Vong shared a sentient planet the shared its connection with them, it withdraw that in disgust when the Vong conquered their own galaxy in the most barbaric way, thus they lost their connection. Sith don't share such symbiotic connection to something that could cut off this connection. The Rakata speculated that some slave species developed a virus or other bioweapon to screw with their conection. We know too little to tell if thats true or the force itself decided its enough.

[@andyf4292]

I reckon starwars needs a droid rebellion, a sneaky one... the start of it being R2D2, and every computer system it had contact with is now spreading the rebellion

[@ultronomega9667]

That happened in the comics. It's called Dark Droids

[@facundopollacino7956]

Los Yuuzhang Vong fueron un cambió muy refrescante en contraste de los típicos señores de la guerra imperiales y de los Siths.

[@gregorius.dentang]

Just random question but if Illithids were in Star Wars universe, would it be weirder or more acceptable than Yuuzhan Vong?

[@DemonicAdj]

I was just thinking of that. I can't remember what an elder brain is supposed to smell like, but Illithids are said to smell garlicky, much like Yammosks.

[@SanelyRed]

Hope we see more of the Grysk

[@andrewtyrell4795]

Buck Bumble theme song outro?! It's an old code, but it checks out. I'm gonna have to start sitting through the whole outro now. If you'd asked me a few years ago I'd say i didn’t want the Vong in the new canon because yeah some of their stuff was pretty goofy in their edgy for the sake of edginess and that fit in with Legends because Legends got kind of goofy. But now, i think with some adjustments they could make for an interesting looming threat villain. So, if they're well done I'd be willing to give them another shot, but I don't have faith that they would be well done with the amount of effort Disney seems willing to put into their shows lately. Tl;dr: if you give them the Andor treatment and do it right sure, but otherwise don't even try. Also the Buck Bumble theme slaps.

[@dannymuggleton6019]

Love the new jungle outro

[@LAV-III]

Unfortunately there isn’t really any long formatted videos detailing the entire Vong war.

[@Yuuzhanvongg]

All Hail Shimmra Jamaane

[@azurefire-91]

You worship a false king. I know who pulls his strings...

[@aidanlavin8211]

#AskEck Has Star Wars in canon or legends ever a had a multiverse and or other dimensions with alternate laws of reality?

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Rebels and Ahsoka: “Allow us to introduce ourselves.”

[@JohnMasterCheif]

for Canon, it's "it's not Time travel, but it is." World between Worlds. For Legends, technically hyperspace is, but there is Otherspace,

[@gbozzi05_]

There’s the World Between Worlds, which is a dimension that exists outside of time and space. Ezra has been there. Ahsoka went there twice.

[@Mandaloran317]

I always thought the Grysks looked like elves. I guess I took an exaggerated take on Thrawn's description.

[@nicholasszabo5954]

#AskEck do we have an official name for the Star Wars galaxy, from any point in history? I was thinking about it the other day, and I can't recall a single mention of it. Not even from one species or faction.

[@EckhartsLadder]

Not that I am aware of.

[@Hello-bi1pm]

​@@EckhartsLadder Skyriver

[@dohvahkene4473]

The Galaxy is made up of planets. Those planets all have skies. The Galaxy is also made up of Rims. The Core, Mid Rim, and Outer Rim... The best possible name is Skyrim.

[@RoysTravelBus]

I always thought the Yuuzhan Vong were a bad direction for Star Wars, definitely one of my least favorite things about EU canon (but still better than Disney canon). Overpowered, too much death and chaos, too much change to the galaxy. Plus, their physical appearance was bad to the point of me considering it as anti-creative. A species hailing from another galaxy should not resemble Humans even remotely. However, I will agree with some of the other commenters in that they were at least not another Empire ripoff.

[@tendracalrissian8820]

They're not technically from another galaxy; they were exiles from a long dead past version of the Living Planet Zonoma Sekot. I'd also argue that adding a species of death-focused zealots is the perfect enemy for Luke's Order. They required Luke to re-examine everything he thought he knew, and to actually address the problem of what the purpose of the Jedi was (although he failed to go far enough in his rethinking, and did absolutely no restructuring).

[@michaeljamesm]

I like the idea that the death star was proposed to be created to fight them

[@tendracalrissian8820]

@@michaeljamesm The death star would make short work of the worldships, but the Empire's TIE fighter design wouldn't be sufficient to deal with coral skippers. The TIE-Advanced would, but getting Palps to buy enough of them wouldn't be easy.

[@Ezramando16]

4:50 WTF are you talking about? They were gonna be in the clone wars, but then the show was cancelled. It was never, "They were considered for the clone wars, but it never happened". They were gonna appear in it, just like many other storylines that sadly never got animated/fully animated.

[@ShagShaggio]

It still never happened, hes not wrong.

[@azurefire-91]

Even if they were considered, there was no guarantee it was going to happen. Just like how Darth Bane and Revan were considered to cameo in the Mortis arc but never made the cut despite the episode being made.

[@TKB-u5r]

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[@corpsedesecrator2612]

No real fan wants the Yuuzhan Vong to be part of Disney “canon” absolutely not especially me because the 19 NJO Novels are sacred to me as it’s easily the top 4 best era of SW it was something completely new original and chartering into Dark territories equally rivaling Order 66 and the fall of the Galactic Republic during the climax of the Prequel Era with more grotesque and violent themes characterizing the Yuuzhan Vong lots of characters sacrificing themselves this wasn’t going to be the happy ROTJ ending to say the least meanwhile all this happening you see lots of character arcs and development from your favorite characters and mine like Luke Skywalker, Kyp Durron, Kyle Katarn, Corran Horn, Mara Jade, the Solo children, Grand Admiral Pellaeon, Natasi Daala, Boba Fett and so on you got to see 2 opposing factions unite against this bigger threat and greater evil to the Galaxy so much so that these beings were cut off from The Force and in conclusion no one wants something so amazing in Story telling to get desecrated by cash shilling goyslop that is Disney.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

At this point, I’d love to see Disney try their hand at the Vong just to watch all the EU fanboys scream bloody murder about it. Especially when a general audience sees them and calls them out for being the generic fanfiction Marysues they are. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Zachcraftone]

The Vong come into our galaxy, take our planets, take our jobs, and lives. I say we deport em all back to the void!!!! But in all seriousness The NJO Yuuzhan Vong are probably my favorite parts of Star Wars. They were just such a huge risk that actually worked! Yeah not everyone was a fan, but he compared to what Disney gave us. A galaxy wide invasion arc was incredible, just wish we could have gotten more of them post/pre war. Or even more stories about the war from lesser factions and what not.

[@lightspeedvictory]

#AskEck can’t remember if I’ve asked this or not so apologies if I’m repeating myself but what was the endgame for victory that the Rebel Alliance had for defeating the Empire (asides from the disastrous Operation Domino as well as the Battle of Endor)? Did they have one or was it just going to be perpetual guerrilla warfare? Plz cover both Legends and Canon Lore ship Versus video request: Resurgent vs. Starhawk Tie Striker vs. New Republic V-Wing World Devastator vs. Vong Worldship Tie Silencer vs. X-83 Twintail Tie Silencer vs. Tie Defender (legends version) Keldabe vs. ISD II MC90 vs. Nebula class star destroyer Nebula class vs. Pellaeon class Majestic class vs. Bothan Assault Cruiser EAWX: FOTR’s Mandator II portrayal vs. Subjugator Praetor vs. Subjugator Starhawk vs. Bulwark MK III Gargantua/Aratech 520 Battle Platform vs. A6 Juggernaut

[@claytopolis]

The grysk feel like something that actually fits into the star wars universe. The vong meanwhile feel like how some people depict 40k space marines killing whatever 3rd party property but instead of space marines they're amish dark eldar.

[@JohnMasterCheif]

I think my biggest hiccup with the Vong (with only having read one comic involving them by accident. seeing them rip people in half with bear hands is fun) is how they interact with the Force. To me, ANY force users should've been a giant threat to them. not really powerful users like Luke and Mara. the fact they can't be detected because "the Force abandoned them" makes zero sense. they don't have a personal "no Force" bubble like the Ysalamiri, but yet can't be detected and can't be directly affected by Force based attacks, like telekentic throws or shoves. but Lightning and thrown objects do work.... Plus their main communication to their ships are telepathic organisms. which if all Vong tech was also denied by the Force, shouldn't be able to work either

[@azurefire-91]

I'll give you the backstory. Yuuzhan'tar the Vong homeworld was a sentient planet. A sentient, *Force-sensitive* planet, that gave the Vong their bio-tech to fight off droid invaders. However the Vong as a whole essentially fell to the Dark Side and began to conquer other worlds in their galaxy. In response, Yuuzhan'tar stripped the Vong of the Force, possibly to prevent the spread of the Dark Side, an ability that we've seen before in Tales of the Jedi. So it's not that the Force abandoned them, essentially a planet sized Jedi Master severed their connection to it. Telepathy and mind-melding are not Force-exclusive powers, see the Killiks for example, so just because their tech was cut off from the Force it doesn't mean it didn't function.

[@SpiffyYuh]

Can you talk abt the most terrifying thing In sw again the gnall gnall? Edit:I meant the mnggal-mnggal

[@PrismaticSpaceMarine77]

#AskEck Ive heard a lot about how good the revenge of the sith novelization is, but what about the books for phantom menace and aotc? Are they also worth reading? What about the OT? Are there novel versions of those movies too? Are they any good? Currently reading halo first strike but once i get through the halo novels id like to start reading the star wars books including all the legends stuff

[@davidlundquist1979]

The Revenge of the Sith novelization is the best Star Wars novel I've ever read. Yes, even above Lost Stars. I read the original trilogy novels around the time the Special Editions came out. That was over twenty five years ago now, so my memories are a bit fuzzy. The original, officially written by George Lucas (but not really) was satisfying, but didn't really add much. The Empire Strikes Back novel was quite strong, adding additional details to some scenes. The Return of the Jedi novel is one of the worst books I've ever read. Though it might be worth checking out for that reason alone, since it isn't all that long.

[@Arashmickey]

The problem with Thrawn introducing a species is you gotta really flesh out their culture. Do they worship taking rysks? Do they have gryzzly personalities? Do they eat gryts?

[@____________838]

It’s always weird to me to see Dark Empire placed after the Thrawn Trilogy

[@misterlegoblitz]

#askeck Can you do a vid explaining the Hapen Consortium? I’ve always found them interesting but don’t know much about them

[@Interitus1]

The biggest issue with the Vong, and why they will never appear is because the radically altered too much . People get pissed they killed off Chewie, but hoenstly at that point the main characters need to have their plot armour broken. But things like physically moving Coruscant is never going to fly because it forces everything happening after that to adapt to the changes. It's why in Episode 7 the new republic was conviently not on Coruscant when it was destroyed. If they were to appear their impact would be greatly reduced and at that point another species could fill in that rol.

[@NareshSinghOctagon]

And that's just bad writing,whatever came first and is within the scope of what happens next MUST take what happened before into account. Something Disney is clearly unable to do.

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

Coruscant was not destroyed in episode 7, that was Hosnian Prime. There is ONE reason they had the Capital on Hosnian Prime...and thats because Hosnian Prime was created for Rebels and Clone Wars stuff. It was a "Member Berries" Moment in a movie that was pretty much entirely made up of them.

[@Hello-bi1pm]

Everyone hear has some stupid answers, Hosnian Prime exists because Lucasfilm wisely decided to spare Coruscant, not because JJ is some master storyteller. If Lucasfilm didn't stop him, he would have blown it up like Vulcan. Vong never moved Coruscant, it just got terraformed.

[@khora3845]

I was really hoping the Ahsoka series was going to at least namedrop the Grysk

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

I'm sorry, but it's 2024. The decanonized everything besides the films and TCW back in 2012. If they were going to bring in any of that, they would have by now. So the chances are slim to none.

[@khora3845]

@@Lobsterwithinternet The Grysk and new Thrawn trilogy are part of current canon

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@khora3845 They're also books, which Disney and Filoni have proven to not give a crap about ignoring and replacing with their animated and Live Action counterparts. So none of them matter.

[@dohvahkene4473]

I'd actually think that it'd be the perfect way to show some form of the Vong. We don't know where Peridia is other than some other galaxy. Could be possible that the Vong arrived there at some point. Given that they nearly made it into Clone Wars as well, there's always a small chance, or as Ahsoka said when they brought back elements of Legends "There's always a bit of truth in legend".

[@PoeticTwist]

#AskEck What is the fastest capital ship in each era, hyperspace wise? For instance Hammerhead cruiser size up to Eclipse super star destroyer. And a very brief of each one. Like a famous named ship, manufacturer, and era/time range of usage.

[@TheRevan1337]

They are fundamentally part of the Expanded Universe, the Expanded Universe and Disney canon should remain separate. Filoniverse and Disney are one thing, Expanded Universe is another.

[@Antesyd]

Let's hope the new movies could focus on the The Yuuzhan Vong wars. They just have to change the timeline slightly and we'll have a wonderful new trilogy. Maybe Jacen Syndulla could be a leading character too.

[@Regulus985]

#AskEck The H’Drachi species have the ability to view a ‘time stream’ - do you think this is a force technique or something else? Please see the Rivers of Chaos comic book for reference.

[@lordcarnorjax8599]

If some people don't like the Yuuzhan Vong, that's their loss. Some of the best EU books are in the NJO series - Star By Star & Traitor in particular. The other thing with NJO is that the authors reference so many other earlier EU books that to get the most out of NJO it's better if you've read a lot of the books that were published before it.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

I wasn't impressed. Felt very pedestrian to me. Felt like someone else took their own sci-fi setting AZ nd sprinkled some Star Wars stuff into it. I honestly preferred the Galaxy of Terror books.

[@TheChristianPsychopath]

The Vong were 3 books of interesting stretched into 20. Star by Star wasn't badly written but it also killed off my favorite character, so I was done after that. I knew after Vector Prime it was gonna be a miserable slog, but they drained all the fun out of Star Wars and turned into one long war story. I appreciate the ambitiousness of the project and letting the story build chronologically. But fandom already had Death Star fatigue, so they trotted out biological super weapons like that was somehow better.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@TheChristianPsychopath Yeah, felt the same. They're an interesting idea in theory but fails in execution and was dragged out for way too long.

[@emilsinclair4190]

​@@Lobsterwithinternethuh I had actually the opposit problem. The downfall of the vong was cut way to short imo.

[@justinhammer3196]

I understand them. I understand they suck Space Balls. Now bring on the Star Wars version of the Tau! Let the Greater Good face off against The Force.

[@tatepalmer1997]

Factions compared idea sci fi insect swarm. Such as Tyranids, Arachnids, Zerg, Rachni, Terminids.

[@itsLeels]

#AskEck During the Clone Wars (if I remember right) The Acclamator was an assault vehicle to move thousands of troops. Pretty much almost like a Core Ship. Wasn’t it supposed to be a heavy brawler too with good armor? But in every case the Republic uses the Venator. Why? 😵‍💫

[@CatvsShark]

#AskEck why was the CIS shut down switch on Mustafar and not on Raxus? Furthermore, why was it centralized to one place?

[@vhetinmandadral7545]

I really hope Disney does something big with the Grysk... We need to move on from "Civil Wars"...

[@Terrivel119]

I haven’t listened to the outro in a while but I was not expecting BUCK BUMBLE FROM THE N64.

[@Iamsnuggles]

My boi Justin back with another banger! Honestly I think bring the vong back into cannon would be great for the new trilogy. I think they could do NJO but with Rey since they killed off Luke. Edit: I think the Grysk are similar to the vong but they aren’t as good as the vong.

[@h4ogaming492]

#AskEck regarding to ship designs in legends, how do they change over time. Like for example 100 years after the vong invasion, how do the ships look like during that time period?

[@Bluepizza1684]

#AskEck What was the whole deal with the Pius Dea era of star wars lore, from what i've seen and heard it is more akin to warhammer 40k in tone and themes with cathedral ships and crusades against non human speices for some god

[@nicholasszabo5954]

@@Bluepizza1684 you pretty much summed it up. A cult who worshipped "The Goddess" went on a rampage against non-humans. It wasn't as edgy as 40k with the whole "kill all xeno scum" thing, but it took the Jedi and Hutts to stop the Contispex dynasty.

[@EckhartsLadder]

It's really just a couple pages in some reference books, there's not a ton there.

[@TheChristianPsychopath]

Zahn was trying to set up an Unknown regions threat with Outbound Flight. The Vong were kind of a retcon connection. I'm okay with Vong staying gone or at least downplayed a lot. They were kind of boring and unpleasant.

[@KangarooJakk]

Star Wars, Hockey, and now Pokemon?¿ WTF man it's like KZbin made this man in a lab so I could get all my content from 1 dude Hell yea

[@azamutu1413]

Space orcs. They’re just space orcs.

[@h4ogaming492]

Don’t tell me u just brought a warhammer 40k reference…..💀☠️

[@AlexTekle]

@@azamutu1413 with their looks and how they relish pain, maybe it’d be more accurate to call them Drukhari

[@travisbishop782]

I thought they were Space Aztecs?

[@E-stat]

@@h4ogaming492WAAAAAGH!!!

[@lordinvictus793]

You have no idea what you’re talking about.

[@dittoking8996]

I miss your galactic/faction versus. Here got one for you to think about. Could the Prophet of Regets' fleet at the start of Halo 2 take over Clone wars era Umbara? Eh eh? Come on... You know you want to think about it!

[@Arms872]

Having not read the novels, I admit to knowing little about them.

[@Aliksander54]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the Vong technically NOT extragalactic? Like, yes they came from outside the galaxy, but wasn't it discovered that they actually were exiled by their own sentient home planet, which also cut them off from the force? Then they went wandering "in the wilderness" as it were for millenia. So technically they were returning to their home galaxy. This also explained their obsession with pain, as it was cultural self-flagellation for their transgressions that got them exiled.

[@dragonturtle2703]

#AskEck Can you explain the corruptive nature of the dark side and why it seems some Sith are more effected than others, if not avoiding it all together? Or why Palpatine's' lightning did that to himself but nobody else? P.s. is it okay to ask more broad or open ended questions here in the future?

[@TimSedai]

Hey Eck, what if Jude Law was stealth cast as C'baoth in Skeleton Crew? It could all tie into Ashoka and the Mando movie....

[@cheffdonty]

I just don't like the idea of the enemy being an external force. For this reason I have never been interested to learn more about them.

[@dive107]

#AskEck Sometimes the difference in technology in Star Wars between the various time periods isn't always obvious, particularly with ships. How would some of the famous ships from the past fare against an Imperial Star Destroyer, or a 'modern' ship closer to their size?

[@ClintKarinaPeters]

#askeck. Who do you think would have won if the clone wars era republic faced off against the old republic?

[@lordinvictus793]

@Eckhartsladder, why didn't you mention how deeply religious the Vong are?

[@rajatberry2277]

@askeck a few years ago there was some buzz around that scene in marvel what if which showed vaders castle. what happened to that?

[@SakuraMoccixX]

I LOVE Lore videos

[@ddqfpluskick]

Always found how the Vong get this attitude but no one gives the Mandalorian the same attitude when they are very similar.

[@azurefire-91]

It's the worshiping pain thing specifically.

[@ElectricalMatthew]

#AskEck if General Grievous had managed to escape Utapau what do you think would have happened to him? Would he join the empire and become similar to an inquisitor or would the empire hunt him down or do you think something else would happen.

[@LupusVirTV]

I like to think he would go into hiding, and eventually find out that Dooku was behind his crash, injuries, and rebuilding into what he is now.

[@davidlundquist1979]

Palpatine would have arranged for his demise soon after that. The Revenge of the Sith novel went into some detail on this. Palpatine was happy with Obi-Wan and Grievous facing off no matter who won, because he knew it was a virtual guarantee that at least one of them would die, and he wanted them both eliminated in any case.

[@LupusVirTV]

@@davidlundquist1979 well, he didn't manage to kill obiwan either so I figure Grievous would have gotten away.

[@darthgenesis9]

Bro, is that the Buc Bumble song at the end?

[@kadewiedeman3127]

Vong are like a splinter fleet of Tyranids who rode the short bus to a different galaxy than the main arm of the hive.

[@pancakes8670]

Genuinely possible. Diverging evolutionary paths.

[@343bungie]

#AskEck is there a time period in star wars legends that you consistently dont like?

[@Sphendrana]

6:55 That art of Luke reminds me of Chris Pine. Could he have been cast as Luke effectively? Asking for the audience. Post Watch Edit: *B U C K*

[@randucci]

We wont get Vong, but we will get a lot more Rey 😒

[@tombraiderstrums09]

In a different world where Disney had NOT decanonized the EU but was instead pursuing a hybrid course of adapting the EU stories with varying degrees of fidelity while also finding ways to introduce new stories and characters, I would still not expect NJO to be brought to screen without some major changes. Since it’s pretty far down the timeline I would expect that small changes introduced in earlier stories would have ripple effects that would create some sizable departures from the books. There would probably be new characters, like Mando, that would find their way into the story. I would expect less of the “clash of civilizations” tone as that is definitely a relic of early 2000s culture. There would likely be expanded roles for female characters as well (which I would welcome in Jaina’s case, as I think they left a lot on the table as far as developing her character). As things stand I couldn’t care less about canon and don’t have any enthusiasm for seeing the YV brought into it. I’d rather watch a fan-made trilogy adapting NJO…anyone?

[@jamessoto7652]

which comic these panels came from?

[@gregharn1]

Much as I love the new Thrawn stuff & Grysks, I'm still irritated how the Vaagari were skipped over in new canon.

[@LiliaArmoury]

what i would like to see is the vong vs the tyranids.

[@venkelos6996]

I enjoyed the Vong as an enemy...at first. I always thought that, with huge army battles, gigantic ships, and powerful space wizards, the eventual angle was going to have to be something anti-Force, but the Vong overstayed their welcome, if you will, and while I appreciated that they were in a time when important characters could actually die, the NJO era got expensive, if you will, and the Bong got silly. I was almost expecting them to vong-form some ysilimiri, and either build structures that could negate the Force on a while planet (did that in Stsr Wars RPG), or attach them to elite warriors, and go on Jedi-murdering sprees, where their anti-Force was even worse, and AoE. #AskEck Would you ever mention the Clone Masters? I know Star Wars is much different now than it was all those decades ago, and even before the Disney Descent, the story line had changed what the Clone Wars were, and who was fighting, but even if they, and their Spaarti cloning cylinders weren't making Commando Clones, and the CIS "clones" were robots, I feel like that might not mean they were totally retconned out, and things like them, and Arkanian genetics manipulation will always intrigue me! Anyway, thank you for the fun Vong video!