Pooling Around

The plaintiff was hired to install an aboveground pool on the defendant’s property. He claims the plaintiff won’t pay him for the work he and his workers did, so he’s suing. The defendant argues the plaintiff’s workers did a terrible job and he doesn’t owe the plaintiff
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[@user-oq1og6qm1y]

Guy brought up his dead mom for nothing.

[@VeryKinkyCurl]

Right 🙄

[@elainevankat5353]

Exactly! Everyone brings up a “death in the family” as if it’s going to make a difference for their case!🤷‍♀️

[@cynthiacler9284]

He was hoping for some sympathy from the judge like they all do.

[@mikieanthony777]

He didn't bring her up. She's still 6 feet under . ⛼

[@sheryllashayshay6759]

Welp she got a shout out on tv so……

[@mercmichigan]

Tripping risk: bad Drowning risk: acceptable

[@fitnessfocused]

His point was that the tripping would cause drowning. Listening comprehension is a lost art.

[@jasminecarroll9788]

The defendant is a joke. Tried to exploit his mother's cancer for NO REASON, and while I think he's entitled to those few cosmetic changes fixed, they're also a result of natural things that happen when you're dealing with an above ground pool. He's no different from when someone goes online and finds a picture of a $12,000 Prada dress and then brings it to their local tailor and wants to pay $250 and expects the exact same dress. If you want a perfectly aligned pool that isn't susceptible to things like the settling earth, the altering volumes of water, "looking" like an in-ground pool, you get an in-ground pool. Even the fact that he actually expected the plaintiff's to EXCAVATE some of his yard to make the pool level with his deck, he was quite literally trying to get an in-ground pool for the cost of an above-ground pool. I agree with the judge that the plaintiff was being a little petty at the end, but I also think the plaintiff is telling the truth when he says the problem was that the defendant wasn't truly worried about those smaller issues, he was worried about the fact that they altered the deck, and that's why they couldn't come to an agreement to handle the repairs.

[@stratfordbaby8572]

WRONG. You've obviously never done anything in your life.

[@redpepperchildcare]

"No, not in the middle of my sentence." 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@Tuturu708]

Meanwhile she interrupts people at every opportunity 🙄 and talks over everyone

[@TopherGrant]

​@Tuturu708 she's the judge. She is more important in this scenario. It's not that hard to figure it out.

[@sonquatsch8585]

@@Tuturu708 she da judge. and she knows how to get to the point. the litigants never do. hush plebe.

[@Tuturu708]

@@TopherGrant being a judge doesn’t give you a free pass to be rude. If you ask a question it’s reasonable to give time to let people adequately respond instead of cutting people off within half a second of trying to respond. Have you ever been to a real courtroom instead of watching court tv? Most of them don’t act like this.

[@TopherGrant]

@@Tuturu708 cant relate. I don't frequent courts as I'm an upstanding citizen. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@renysimone3312]

Defendant will use any excuse possible: cancer, dead mother, military service, wife calling him crazy! Total narcissist!🤨

[@sonquatsch8585]

yeah u called it. that man is a full on narc.

[@yung1717]

Alright let’s calm down

[@lukerinderknecht2982]

💯

[@stratfordbaby8572]

NOPE. They should NOT get the late fee or the interest. They contributed to the money not being paid because they refused to come back to complete the work. They don't benefit from that. Every time there's work that needs correcting, you WITHHOLD money until that correction is made, THEN YOU PAY.

[@shellwilliams6306]

Agree! I can't stand it when people bring up family/friend deaths as excuses. True or not, obviously sad if true, but to use that as part of the defense is ridiculous. Just say something horrible or personal and then let the judge ask WHY

[@ChasRiaStJohn]

That had to be an awkward day when they came out to fix everything 😂😂

[@sonquatsch8585]

they all had a beer afterwards. i swear it. that's how men are. they are all prolly friends now too.

[@katem3667]

@@sonquatsch8585 Harvey said at the end that they have "rekindled their friendship".

[@marleonetti7]

if people only got paid if customers were 100 percent satisfied with the work then 99 percent of people would never get paid for anything .

[@sonquatsch8585]

@@marleonetti7 oooo i like u.

[@maxinef6654]

Nice try bringing up your mother’s cancer treatments. 😏

[@AndreLePuck]

Bro thought he could exploit the cancer card 😐

[@elainevankat5353]

Yup!

[@sonquatsch8585]

yeah he is always going to be slime in my book. seriously.

[@tjneverdefeated4394]

He tried it. Smh.

[@lukerinderknecht2982]

And his army service.

[@moniqueengleman873]

I have cancer, and I only throw the cancer card when absolutely necessary 🙃 Otherwise this is my personal struggle. Nobody owes me anything

[@warrenfrazier6996]

I do pool decks, that is the best way to put a deck next to a pool

[@boxhead3781]

anyone with a brain would think that. this dude has none.

[@Shalomfriend]

It’s always funny when litigants bring up sob stories and JM corrects them. Like dude your mom’s cancer treatments was not even the reason for you not being there that day so why bring her up? 🤮

[@sonquatsch8585]

such a shady effer. so shady. someone called him out for what he is in the above comments and i was like OF COURSE. he is a TOTAL narc.

[@maryannegunter115]

Always someone wanting to get something for nothing, defendant. PAY THE MAN!

[@stratfordbaby8572]

NOPE. They should NOT get the late fee or the interest. They contributed to the money not being paid because they refused to come back to complete the work. They don't benefit from that. Every time there's work that needs correcting, you WITHHOLD money until that correction is made, THEN YOU PAY.

[@DreamWarriorPaige]

The plantiff screwed up by not going out to the property when asked. He held the defendant hostage. "I'll fix it after I get paid" is essentially his answer.

[@AshleyBrown-ec3vn]

But he still owed for the initial setup. He never paid in full.

[@MM-sz6ku]

wrong action. right motive

[@marleonetti7]

if people only got paid if customers were 100 percent satisfied with the work then 99 percent of people would never get paid for anything .

[@user-oe1mb9hu9i]

I feel sorry for the plaintiff. I'm bald like him and his son, but we are no longer in the 90's - I don't plan on growing a pony tail ...

[@contessahinson]

Judge shut Down the dude sick Mother quick

[@P3rmissionD3ni3d]

Wowwwww. He really tried using his mom for sympathy 😮

[@trentj8946]

She’s getting mad at him for ending up in court literally in the same sentence as saying do the work then sue him in court 😂

[@sonquatsch8585]

oooooo nice catch !!!

[@joemancurreri6635]

This guy just didn't want to pay... typical NY guy.. a scammer.. the pool guys did the job.. Pay the man!

[@stratfordbaby8572]

NOPE. They should NOT get the late fee or the interest. They contributed to the money not being paid because they refused to come back to complete the work. They don't benefit from that. Every time there's work that needs correcting, you WITHHOLD money until that correction is made, THEN YOU PAY.

[@sashabenoit1518]

I disagree with the Judge ruling in favor of the late fee and interest, especially because she agreed herself that they were wrong for holding him hostage ny refusing to do the repairs until they got paid and they told him that they were going to call to schedule a date to come out to his house and never called him. In my opinion, that's on them and he shouldn't have to eat the late fees and interest because the guy never said that he wasn't going to pay, only that he wanted them to fix their mistakes first making the job complete, which is completely reasonable. But I do agree with the rest of her ruling of them going to fix what needs to be fixed and him paying the remainder of the bill.

[@JaiB-xr9fl]

I agree! They refused to come back unless they were paid. How are they entitled to late fees and interest?

[@billmoran3219]

Contract !

[@Fistful_of_Mana]

she always keeps asking questions when she doesn't want to hear the answer or won't allow them to speak

[@user-oe1mb9hu9i]

Think YOU need to listen more carefully. She asks rhetorical questions and is usually speaking to one of the two plaintiff or defendant when the OTHER one tries to butt in and bring his silly opinion into the mix. THAT is what she's NOT wanting to listen to = People interrupting her when THEY are NOT being spoken to.

[@motorcycleman3470]

All they would have do is raise the deck up

[@davefil6102]

peter griffin behind the defendant

[@floydpattersonii4996]

def - why bother puttin a tie on if its gonna look like that ?

[@Enemyatg334]

His mom had cancer. Give him a break

[@partickaljamested5146]

Judge Millian is amazing and worth a million

[@Amy-xoxo305]

MORE 30 MILLION...DAH

[@EsuMandusa]

YAAAAAAAS complex litigation i know the judge was living for this case! Any case longer than 15 min is a win! she loves diving deep into the litigation. This was a cute one !!

[@thefonzkiss]

The father’s face when the son for no reason says that defendant said he wanted it under the deck. She didn’t believe that he had said that up until then.

[@dLu3451]

Pool installer? He hardly knew her

[@sonquatsch8585]

i was like...

[@chrisdavid3510]

Defendant more than reasonable by allowing them to finish.

[@trudypops]

The comment about the contingency and the contract being 20 pages. There can be a section on the contract that's for comments and notes pertaining to the particular job. Write down specifics of what the customer is asking for, that way they can sign off and it'll be there. It's not about changing the wording of the actual contract each time

[@lindawilson4961]

Seems to me.The defendant wants a free pool and free work.I would not give him anything except fixing and if it wasn't.He gotta be home to have it fixed

[@Rendosian]

Rich people problems

[@sonquatsch8585]

totally. 1st world

[@oldageisdumb]

Rich people don’t have above ground pools lol

[@thefonzkiss]

Don’t be jealous.

[@sonquatsch8585]

@@oldageisdumb u might be right.

[@langstonwalker1618]

Business owner didn't learn. Customer acknowledging possible modifications to decks should be in the contract.

[@bongoikno4994]

Father and son ponytails is awesome 👌 👍🏾

[@rookie_hero8682]

Come and fix it, but I am not allowing you to come onto the property!

[@stratfordbaby8572]

MONTHS LATER. PAY ATTENTION!

[@MsPiinkFllamingo]

That Plaintiff looks like he don’t play. 👀

[@Micknkeithable]

Defendant is RIDICULOUS!! The pool guys did a fantastic job!

[@Degorff]

To not harm the liner the pool will have to be emptied moved carefully, adjust the wall . refill it while someone stays there. Use a firetruck. The owner should of payed for the firetruck and then someone could of waited while it fills.

[@stratfordbaby8572]

NOPE. They should NOT get the late fee or the interest. They contributed to the money not being paid because they refused to come back to complete the work. They don't benefit from that. Every time there's work that needs correcting, you WITHHOLD money until that correction is made, THEN YOU PAY.

[@julianneg5051]

Wrong about the pool issue is cosmetic. The manufacturer says the buttresses are weight bearing, as well as each of those concrete footings, the metal posts have to sit on them to maintain the pool integrity. They should not move with the water install if they are placed correctly. I’m assuming no pool permits occurred. I installed mine myself and these install instructions were mandatory and required to pass inspection.

[@billmoran3219]

I think the reason people have above ground pools is that they don’t need to be permitted and cost .

[@k0chana6]

I don't think he should've had to pay interest. But bringing up your dead mom for no reason is horrible.

[@jeanicelewis510]

I Agree but we get interest for credit and lare payments as well

[@stratfordbaby8572]

@@jeanicelewis510 The plaintiffs caused the payment to not be made. They did NOT complete the work correctly. DUH.

[@XFiorentti]

I really hate when Doug slaps folks in the chest or arms...it's just so disrespectful...crazy old guy

[@sonquatsch8585]

doug wants to secretly kill. he's prolly a killer, and he does that a lot i think he's just repressing these urges to kill and he does it a lot with white dudes...u ever notice that? i think doug doesn't like whitey even tho he white himself. he made a VERY shady remark against a german litigant referring to his heritage. i was like DOUG !!!! but it was gold.

[@lukerinderknecht2982]

We love Doug.

[@billmoran3219]

Defendant probably called plaintiffs and MF them up and down and refused to pay balance due so plaintiff said F him either I get paid and fix settling issues or I go to court. Believing plaintiffs more than defendant because of defendants comments to try a sway court in his favor. Judge made right decision.

[@traceyaz125]

I disagree with JM. “The customer agrees” to me means if the project goes forward the customer is agreeing to modifications.

[@VeryKinkyCurl]

Right and the fact he was not present

[@TopherGrant]

Keep any changes in writing. Problem solved

[@they-live1]

Defendant wants to cheap out on a pool installation thats all this is about

[@Crixon100]

I feel like if the plaintiff were to shave his ponytail, he could be Bryan Cranston's twin. He evn smiles like him when he's talking to Doug.

[@shellwilliams6306]

STOP saying you're in/were in the military. Its pointless

[@jgrosskopf4878]

A estimate a proposal then a invoice SHALL DESCRIBE ALL WORK. Any additional work ir JUST 1 MORE THING is a change order. Family & Friends are ok as long as you are specifying all work done.

[@markbirchette8740]

So, were your kids falling into the old pool that had a drop from the deck?...lol

[@MrStv1163]

The defendant's whiny and wants a bunch of stuff not in the estimate for free. If he was so concerned about the aesthetics he would have made a point of being there when the pool was installed. I think the job looks good. The plaintiffs seem like honest businessmen and I feel like they were above board in communicating realistic expectations to the defendant - especially since they merely installed the pool the defendant bought! I also believe the plaintiff when they told him the deck would not overlap like it used to. The defendant should then modify his deck. Bottom line is, defendant screwed up and he wants the plaintiffs to pay for it, and had unrealistic expectations on what the installation would look like. And his own letter demanded they fix the issues while simultaneously demanding them to not be on his property. Can't have it both ways. He wanted a new pool installed onto an existing foundation and expected it'd look just like the old one - and unfortunately, in this scenario there will be sizing and fit issues. To me it looks like they did a good job of trying to make it look good.

[@MsPiinkFllamingo]

Document phone calls y’all and add a signed affidavit with a statement indicating permission for any mods 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@MrMatteNWk]

Bald Drew Carey second row behind defendant

[@boxhead3781]

The defendant is acting really nervous and i think he's Bsing. He's the type of guy to buy a 2002 car for $1000 and instead they give him a 2024 car for the money and complain because he didnt get the worse deal.

[@susangenry6497]

Jm doesn't want to be interrupted..I get that..but she interrupts constantly

[@Scrilla2times]

It’s crazy to me judges and polices have very little expectation to control their emotions, and most of the time won’t be punished for not doing so. While regular citizens are expected to be in complete control of themselves and sometimes others around them. The punishment for not could be jail and fines. Citizens are expected to know all the laws and regulations because I didn’t know or I didn’t understand isn’t a valid defense in court. Where as police officers get qualified immunity from most mistakes except constitutional rights violations, because they can’t possibly know or understand every law they’re supposed to enforcing. But for some reason a lot of people feel like no one should be worried when encountering cops.

[@RuralCoast2024]

Surprised Defendant didnt include orange man bad in his list of excuses.. sheesh, what a loser

[@MichaelJones-yx4zv]

Should have ordered they don't get a cent until after they fix it

[@sonquatsch8585]

um she did that.

[@adlifting9824]

I can’t STAND the plaintiff. How dare he mock the defendant

[@inspyr9]

When did he do that? Do u have the time stamp?

[@TopherGrant]

Just like Trump...

[@feliciagallo9832]

​@@TopherGrantwhat are you talking about?

[@chelseac8855]

So the contractor refuses to come out and fix the problems, the defendant rightfully withheld the remaining fee, and now has to pay interest and late fees because they refused to come out and fix it?? But if he just paid them at the time they would have never come out to fix it either. BS. I also think it’s BS that filling the pool would move the posts off the pavers like that

[@JRico831]

He didn’t “rightfully” withhold the fee lol that’s the problem, and that’s why he lost.

[@JaiB-xr9fl]

It's weird because I've seen cases where the judge was more lenient to female plaintiffs in house construction projects. Because women are picky apparently. Women would complain about every small detail and the judge would give them sympathy saying that it was ugly or off a shade of color. However, this man is nitpicky about relatively the same issues, she is a little less forgiving. I feel she isn't as empathetic to his situation. Why did he have to pay for interest if the plaintiff refused to come back to his property?

[@ILOVEBACONBOY2018]

Ha these are great. My dead mom.. whhaat

[@shellwilliams6306]

A tripping concern isn't "cosmetic"...

[@sassyfassy8594]

Drew Carey is behind the defendant 😅

[@sonquatsch8585]

drew carey is not nearly that large. not even close. gross

[@stratfordbaby8572]

@@sonquatsch8585 He was. Don't be a loon.

[@DeltaDyl]

It looks better now

[@rubinajohnson3943]

Maybe too many big irons in the fire

[@Terrafire34]

There is no way in hell that pool would fit under that deck. The defendant said I want a pool with out paying for an in ground pool and talking about his mom and that he’s in or was in the military. 100% what was in the contract was what he said it was. What does she think additional carpentry means?

[@trekgirl65]

If you are referring to the Judge, you are disrespecting a person whose family was in the construction business for many years and knows a lot more than you. Sad you do not know that much.

[@Terrafire34]

@@trekgirl65 just because her family is involved in something doesn’t mean she’s right about that. My dad worked on an oil rig I know absolutely nothing about oil rigs.

[@Crob100]

They all knew it wouldn't fit that's why the defendant assumed they were going to excavate to make the pool fit under the deck.

[@EmoNinjaKat89]

My father, husband, brother in law and father in law do carpentry for a living. I would have assumed that they might have to change the deck in some way to safety have it meet the new pool as well. Idk what the judge was thinking or how it wouldn't mean changes to the wood 🤔

[@Terrafire34]

@@EmoNinjaKat89 he was just trying to get it cheaper there is no doubt about that. All his complaints were stuff that could be fixed in a couple of minutes cept the deck that he knew they were cutting it and he was just in a hurry.

[@LoveChild71]

Joe Le Taxi!....

[@migueldeavalos8971]

Michael Is A Dream❤

[@jimmorrison9656]

Defendent is a crybaby.

[@ericfrost7517]

I get that they didn’t do it the way you wanted but dude has a pool and I bet his kids are swimming in it, pay the people their money and if there is issues let them come fix it. You see videos popping up of contractors destroying the work they did after they don’t get paid and that’s extreme but may be necessary

[@DestoPhillips]

What is Douglas saying after he says “be seated?”

[@Crixon100]

"Come to order, please."

[@jacquelinecassidy7672]

They did a shitty job!

[@JoseAntonio-pr8km]

Dude?????

[@ZovaBe]

What was his point about his mother's cancer treatments and death ?

[@moniqueengleman873]

Sympathy

[@chrisjarrett9724]

Huh?🤨 Okkaayy?🤨🤨🙄🙄🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔💭

[@Bebedollie]

Adrian if you see this comment, the judge was mean and they are both white and the defendants mum had cancer and she still was harsh. I hope this shows u that she's not racist .

[@gb1konobi]

20 pages or $1200. Your choice.

[@AshleyBrown-ec3vn]

I wouldn't have went out to fix anything either without being paid in full.

[@maryserrato1024]

Good judgement

[@stratfordbaby8572]

Crazy.

[@tamekadavis6641]

First 🎉

[@surfbreak190]

Defendant just broke 🤣.

[@debbiehernandez3945]

OMG, my father put one in by himself and did a better job. Although he should not be able to with hold money, they should have the opportunity to fix the issues. The deck is fine, he can't complain about it.

[@mary5305j]

Anyone else find it weird the defendant keeps bringing up random sob stories that have nothing to do with the case? His mom had cancer and passed & he’s an airborn infantryman? He’s not subtle about trying to pull the sympathy card lol

[@cableguy6843]

Defendant is completely wrong for not being there the day of install.

[@sonquatsch8585]

def. is an absolute noob.

[@stratfordbaby8572]

You don't have to micromanage professionals fool.

[@stratfordbaby8572]

@@sonquatsch8585 Fool.

[@mjgutierrez]

Disgusting that the Plaintiff mocked the Defendant’s stutter.

[@jeromecummings47]

He wasn’t mocking a stutter. Defendant doesn’t have a stutter. He was making a point that people stutter when they are lying.

[@Van-hb2lk]

No one was being mocked lmao

[@inspyr9]

When did he do that? Do u have the time stamp?

[@mikieanthony777]

​@@inspyr9, lol 😂😅

[@sonquatsch8585]

@@inspyr9 ikr?!??! i was like now i have to go back !

[@MrCharlesEldredge]

I have no idea what was said verbally on the day of installation. But why would ANYONE want the deck to meet the pool the way they did it? It was a million times better with the deck overlapping the pool. I know they kept saying it was impossible, but they never said why.

[@thefonzkiss]

They did say why you didn’t listen. The new pool was deeper than the old one. Defendant thought they would dig the new one in. Plaintiff cited some rule that said they couldn’t. Hence the problem.

[@sonquatsch8585]

when dad is WAY hotter than the son. jeeeez that is one fine man. and JM did not like defendant bringing up his dead mother to get sympathy. he should have lost the case instantly for that. he's scum, unless his mother was abusive. really don't like guys like the def. he is so undercover shady...he knows he looks innocent and cuddly, and they USE that shit. those are effers that run the planet. i'd have held the work hostage as well. smart move if u ask me from the pool installers.

[@thefonzkiss]

Bizarre comment.

[@sonquatsch8585]

@@thefonzkiss and ?

[@trekgirl65]

Defendant has issues, more than wanting a free pool. And anyone can say they was in the military with no proof of being in there. And plus he would have been too short for the military. LMAO!

[@VeryKinkyCurl]

Height doesn’t matter 😂

[@barbarawallach1334]

Judge bending over backwards for the defendant, not sure why?

[@stratfordbaby8572]

You weren't watching the same case.

[@crystalhall-davis9748]

She too much as a judge she mean and don’t let you talk

[@adrianknight1406]

Tried telling you all this fact from the very beginning. It's great that many of you see it for yourselves now. Finally

[@RueM-lf3xm]

@@adrianknight1406Adrian you’re always here in the first ten mins, we see you got a thing for her

[@amandavaull6198]

Don’t mind him he just hates white people.

[@BurntMike26]

The plaintiff tried to interrupt her multiple times, I would tell them to shut the hell up too

[@adrianknight1406]

As long as it's the truth doesn't matter how quickly I'm here.

[@elle6714]

Defendant looked like a cornered fox the whole time. Shifty af

[@gene5148]

You raised a lovely aughter dad

[@user-hs1zr6mc5d]

Judge was way more annoying than usual. She just loves to hear herself talk. Repeating stuff interrupting as usual and that hollering 😒 I have an aunt like that and when you interrupt her she gets louder. I one day I told her hold on and clicked over. I was on the other end about 10minutes or so and hung up forgetting she was son the line. It rung back and she was still talking 😆 hadn't missed not one beat. 😆 I screamed in her ear and she said what I said I've had enough for one day talk to you tomorrow. She said wait one more thing 🤦‍♀️ 😆

[@Amy-xoxo305]

THINKS HE GETS A FREE POOL INSTALL? NOT!!!

[@Dove.Love.]

Lord help me. I can't watch this episode. She won't shut up and let the man talk. I never say this about her but wow

[@adrianknight1406]

I could see it being problematic to hire a friend to do a construction job for you but all in all it depends upon the friendship and what the job entails. But remember there's always a huge risk because if things go left it could very well cost a friendship.

[@TopherGrant]

No one cares. No one is listening. Only waiting to pounce on your bad behavior. We are always watching...

[@lukerinderknecht2982]

​@@TopherGrantdon't be a creep

[@TopherGrant]

@lukerinderknecht2982 oh I will be a creep. The BEST creep! I'm good at what I do and shall continue to do so until I see fit to stop. Thanks for playing!

[@richardwilson7942]

How about the Judge stops interrupting people.

[@TopherGrant]

How about the litigants stop lying, changing stories, repeating themselves, waiting to talk instead of listening to the judges' questions?

[@adrianknight1406]

I've been saying this all along Richard. Glad that you see how Milian is as well.

[@TopherGrant]

@@adrianknight1406 lol hush girl

[@Moelle3635]

She's just so snappy and insulting for literally no reason at all.

[@jvillebil13]

99% if the time I agree with Judge Marilyn, but today she was a little arrogant and pissy. Speaking from a contractor's point of view.

[@VeryKinkyCurl]

Why do folks always bringing up stories like that seeking empathy when it doesn’t pertain to the topic. Smh

[@inthemouthofmadness5910]

The dude sitting behind the defendant looks like he's dressed for an 80s or early 90s sitcom.

[@VeryKinkyCurl]

Defendant was being cheap and he signed an agreement. They used their professional judgment because he was not there. That is on him imo.

[@stratfordbaby8572]

NOPE. They should NOT get the late fee or the interest. They contributed to the money not being paid because they refused to come back to complete the work. They don't benefit from that. Every time there's work that needs correcting, you WITHHOLD money until that correction is made, THEN YOU PAY.