Percy Jackson Supplemental Notes

[@DaveBlackrose]

"You don't have 3 hours to listen to me complaining" You understimate our power, Krimson.

[@salenebrom6476]

DaveBlackrose I'm here for three hours

[@rolleriffic]

we can also speed up the video

[@artinsazgar6397]

DaveBlackrose you underestimate your work

[@Wurmze]

Would happily spend 3 hours listening to you rant

[@jaysea5939]

It's not like KZbin doesn't have a pause button or time scrubber. I'm all for it.

[@Joenah5]

"You don't have 3 hours to listen to me complaining" I would honestly prefer that.

[@goodnight-moon564]

Daw Me too

[@thehighground7926]

That would actually be great

[@Iamnotaworm]

The one thing that annoys me the most is probably just how badly they ruined the progression of Percy and Annabeth's relationship. Like I read these books growing up and it was so fun to see this sort of young schoolyard antagonism morph into reluctant friendship and then so much love and admiration for each other before they were even together. It was so sweet how they grew on each other at the same time that they were growing on you as the reader. That would never work in those dumb movies because they aren't kids and they both have the personalities of wet cardboard.

[@jayblade2000]

I know, one of the best things about Percy Jackson is their romance, as it is one of the most realistic and emotionally engaging one I've seen.

[@FuugaNatsu]

"They both have the personalities of wet cardboard" - YOU TAKE THAT BACK RIGHT THE FUCK NOW! Wet cardboard is thousands of times more interesting than these *"characters"* (there are no sarcasm quotes large enough)

[@kanikaobhan5295]

Making them 16 or 18 year olds also plays a part in ruining it because if u r 18 u don't have tgat kidishness to make that friendship Rick Riordan made for them at the age of 12

[@thebeavpercabethftw9604]

You can probably guess how much this pisses me off.

[@ilopominecrafter]

kanika obhan it also takes away the tragedy angle. It is kinda tragic when most demigods are known to barely make it to 16 or even 18, and having them at that age and say 21 for the prophecy, the angle is greatly reduced. Even worse is they don’t even hint at the tragedy of modern demigods..

[@summerjaffe1757]

Also Annabeth said she never met her mother but in the first book she said that she took a field trip to Mt. Olympus and met her mother

[@ilopominecrafter]

And she has met her mother prior since its how she got her yankees cap of invisibility... which is very noticeably absent from the movies

[@goatperson3403]

And that's when Luke stole the lightning bolt

[@Ben-vl5ew]

She also guided her when annabeth ran away from home, and leads her to Luke and thalia

[@abidizzne892]

@@Ben-vl5ew technically that was indirect intervention

[@disneydork100]

The Selina Beauregard thing pissed me off considering what she lost, how it was revealed she was the spy, and her very meaningful sacrifice and her death! It really pissed me off that they just swept that under the rug in favor of having her be a name on a boat.

[@aronhalverson2115]

Those 3 characters were there just for name dropping, basically it was the writers going "hey, recognize these characters?"

[@thehighground7926]

Her sacrifice was actually pretty sad and unexpected. But it was also very tragic and done well.

[@TF2Fan101]

@@aronhalverson2115 The only one who even makes sense to be there is Chris Rodriguez.

[@aronhalverson2115]

@@TF2Fan101 exactly

[@WilliamShade75]

Kronos: Wanna be my host? Luke: No Kronos: Why not? Luke: YOU TRIED TO EAT ME! THEN I WAS ALMOST EATEN BY A CYCLOPS! Kronos: Your point? The Gods hate you. Luke: BETTER THAN BEING EATEN BY THE GUY YOUR TRYING TO HELP OVER THROW THE GODS!!!!!!!

[@gennybaratta2460]

the only logical way that conversation would go in the film's verse

[@michaelnally2841]

I don't think Luke to begin with Volunteers to be possessed. I think Kronos was like. "You've failed me for the last time to dispose of Jackson: As the saying goes, if you want something done right you do it yourself. Then he forced Luke to become possessed.

[@goroakechi6126]

Michael Nally Yeah, makes a lot of sense, considering Luke’s first action once he’s conscious is to pull a Masked Man and kill himself.

[@sarcasticat_1727]

SPOILERS Pollux is the one left alive. In chapter 15 of The Last Olympian, the scene where Dionysus and Percy "talk" about the situation with the war, Mr. D says, "One last thing. My son Pollux. Is he still alive?" "I would very much appreciate it if you could keep him that way. I lost his brother Castor last year..."

[@box6049]

I loved that scene

[@sabrinamcclain162]

The twins are named after these twins from mythology, ones a son of Zeus and immortal and the other is not, so the mortal one gets killed and they end up splitting their immortality and becoming stars. Anyway, the one that lives is named after the immortal one.

[@ilopominecrafter]

Box its even bigger an impact when you recall how Dionysus reacted in the fourth book where he was just about destroyed/in grief when he heard and saw one of his sons had died.

[@Susanoo1016]

Sarcasticat _ Castor died ironically because he got immortality and Pollux dies in mythology but lives in the books

[@kindnesstemmie6625]

the contrast between that and him waging holy war against blinky

[@Bartfan16]

I think the Percy Jackson series would work better as a Netflix series.

[@joshuabell7761]

RJ Agreed.

[@Prettywitchiusaka]

Yeah! I'd watch the hell outta that!

[@michellemuir2249]

RJ Totally agree I mean look at Shadowhunters it is doing better as a tv show then a movie

[@stelanora7827]

yes. there is just to much cool stuff in each book to fit in to one movie

[@michaelnally2841]

I always thought that. Netflix or HBO they have the money and resources for this!

[@teacuppuck]

4:20 Nico and Bianca were born before the vow was made anyway, they just ended up in the lotus casino.

[@micahclark3606]

Therefore, Hades was the only one who listened to the new law.

[@owenbridgers]

@@micahclark3606 Therefore, Hades is best god

[@anarchomando7707]

That named his dog spot (greek) or fluffy(Roman traslation) that Heracles asked take for a walk

[@cas2762]

Joseph Misinec and Hades allowed him. He was basically like “okay, cool, just don’t hurt him and bring him back home when you’re done”

[@frostyenderman13]

Don't worry, you covered the most important points. Ethan in the movie pisses me off because to even know he existed to name drop him, the writers would have had to read at least up to book4. Thus they would know the shitstorm of continuity errors they were creating, as with knowing that Selena works for Luke. And yet they name dropped anyway. Was this some ridiculous attempt at fanservice??? Because if so, they picked the worst possible characters at the worst possible time! Agh!

[@michaeloconnor5904]

Right! They did not need to say anything. It felt out of place even saying anything.

[@jacklovejoy5290]

If they wanted to drop names Lou Ellen doesn't do much and could have been used, or if you want to go really deep they could have used Alabastor

[@donb7519]

Was selena even working for luke at this point I always thought she worked for him after book 4

[@ashnanadesan]

There was a spy in book 2 so it's implied that Silena did it but they didn't leave anything else from the books...

[@entertain7us148]

utter disrespect for the source material

[@donb7519]

Actually Thalia was about 12 when brought to camp the tree just slowed down her aging.

[@ashnanadesan]

Luke was 14

[@lukes3845]

Ashna Nadesan no, he was 12.

[@ashnanadesan]

No, he's 14 there's a quote from the Demigod Diaries that says "I'd run away when I was nine - five long years ago."

[@lukes3845]

Ashna Nadesan well that contradicts what Percy said. I forget the exact words but, when he was 17, he said he was the same age as Luke when he betrayed camp. Annabeth and Luke were at camp 5 years prior to this, so he came to camp when he was 12. Maybe he wrote that when he was at camp for 2 years?

[@ashnanadesan]

*_Qwerty Master_* maybe

[@GlaurungtheRed]

the harpies and Circe's Spa were both important, the harpies as part of Annabeth's character arck, and blowing up Circe's Spa come into play in Heroes of Olympis book 2

[@CoolG97]

I think you confused Harpies with Sirens.

[@elizabethbeck4071]

Harpies were important to annabeth's character arc in the second series with a harpies character that was important in son of Neptune and causes thing in mark of Athena

[@ilopominecrafter]

elizabeth beck ya, but in first series, they are just good drivers and the reason percy, annabeth and tyson hurry since they come after them

[@MistbornTaylor]

One thing is at the beginning when Grover's like "Oh Percy you did all these great things!" He mentions Ares's chariot and the Bronze Dragon among other things and Percy says no those were all done by Clarisse. The problem is *Percy did do those things* they were short stories that Riordan had written. Ares's chariot was a question that Clarisse and Percy got together. Then the Bronze Dragon is a quest that Percy, Annabeth, Silena and Beckendorf went on. The filmmakers probably just got a list of random Greek quests and didn't know about these things but still it feels like a sit in the face. Also an annoying thing about the two movies is how different the camps are from movie to movie. In the first one they're very war like and well trained. That would be a problem if they theoretically were going to the Hero of Olympus series and it's a little less fun than it is in the books. In the second movie for no reason the camp is barely a step above a regular summer camp. I'm amazed that the gods don't fire Chiron for what a shit job he's doing with training these kids. Riordan did such a good jump at making CHB a place where it's a fun and interesting setting but also "realistically" trains these kids to survive the outside world. The first one was a little closer to the books but they both weren't perfect.

[@thatcrazynerdgirlproductio4481]

Taylor Ramirez I agree about how they did the camp. While the first movie certainly looked the part, it didn't feel like Camp Half-Blood. When I imagine the book camp, I imagine the Stoll brothers pickpocketing someone, the Ares kids and/or Clarisse yelling at someone, and dryads playing games with satyrs in the forest. When I think of the movie camp, I can't think of anything because they never really gave us time to appreciate the camp before the heroes were moving along with the plot. You don't remember any of the campers other than Luke, Annabeth, and Clarisse because we didn't really get to see the actual atmosphere of the camp.

[@goodjobeli]

The Bronze Dragon is between books 3&4 and the Chariot is between 2&3 and it makes no sense them saying that in the movie? Like it doesn't happen until afterwards, guys.

[@Mobysimo]

@@goodjobeli Also Clarrise wasn't even involved with the Festus quest! (I got used to calling him that thanks to Heroes of Olympus) And honestly, the camp in the first movie feels more like Camp Jupiter

[@Suzduko667]

10:45-11:08 Also, if the movies somehow made is to the sequel series, Heroes of Olympus, it would lead to an impossible scene in House of Hades where the fact that Riptide's disguised form being a cap pen was important.

[@jeanailurus643]

Also, i just think of it now, but in the movies how does Percy turns Riptide back into a pen ?

[@dirkjehovah4731]

Jean Ailurus he kind of crushes it? I don’t know how to describe it but he closes his fist and it shrinks back into a pen

[@enderfrags808]

Jean Ailurus he puts the cap of Riptide from pen versioning the tip of the sword and he pushes down. It’s weird, but it’s magic

[@ilopominecrafter]

Vivid Blade that’s the book. The commenter asked about the movie. Which in that case they don’t show, as it just retracts offscreen except for one scene in the first while in the underworld where it retracts by itself

[@Hopper_Films]

@@jeanailurus643 I found the prop, there is a button on the side that I guess is how it closes

[@sirjacob74]

Yes! I'm a big fan of the Percy Jackson books, and of course, I hate the movies. I know this might be a little too much, but you should consider reading the Heroes of Olympus series. When I first heard about it, I was being an idiot and thought that the Heroes of Olympus books were just Rick Riordan running out of ideas and trying to make a series exactly like Percy Jackson and the Olympians. I decided to read it and give it a go. Its actually amazing, and a continuation of Percy Jackson. Not gonna spoil though. It's basically about a new generation of demigods in Camp Half Blood, and them fulfilling the prophecy that Rachel spoke at the end of The Last Olympian. Percy is in it, and a very important character, however there is new heroes as well.

[@KrimsonRogue]

Planning on making a trip to the bookstore later this week actually. That's one of the series I'm looking for.

[@artsycloud9140]

SirJacob you said it better than me ;p

[@sirjacob74]

Super Fan My comment was way too long. You said it better :D

[@sirjacob74]

KrimsonRogue Great! I'm actually reading it for my second time. Currently on House of Hades. I'd also like to say that these books are a lot longer than the Percy Jackson and the Olympians books.

[@michaelnally2841]

I did like the books but I felt the blood of Olympus was a big disappointment. It wasn't a bad book, but this wasn't the finale I wanted.

[@a-mellowtea]

Goddammit they _did_ reveal Selena... I forgot they did that.

[@Sephiroth766]

Sarah Tilgner yup ruins a MAJOR plot in the final book. It's like the creators knew they weren't doing another movie so they just said "fuck it, tie up all loose ends"

[@isobellakoot7058]

I know, she wasn't meant to be revealed until the last Olympian! And Chris the battle of the labyrinth! And since the entire series is ruined, I won't get see Nico or Mrs O'Leary! 😭

[@donb7519]

@@isobellakoot7058 im also pretty sure she wasnt even a traitor at this point in the books i think she turns when he's looking for the labyrinth after book 3

[@lukedeakin7124]

@@donb7519 She was a traitor the whole time, Luke was friendly to her before he left which is why she worked for him and then he blackmailed her when she wanted to quick

[@RF-mc8cx]

@Isobella Koot Ypu don't want to see Nico done that injustice.

[@TheIceCreamTroll]

The continuity is ruined across the Heros of Olympus series as well. I'll copy/paste my comment from your Sea of Monsters review: By not going to Cires island (the lady who turned guys into guinea pigs), they gave Reyna no reason to be at camp Jupiter, meaning that she wouldn't be able to: deliver the Athena Parthenos, delay the attack on Camp Half Blood, indirectly introduce Arion into the story and kill Orion (I could keep going, but we'd be here awhile). However, the writers of these movies have messed up so much of original plot, that this is the least of their worries Also, in the opening scene, the cyclopes throw Thalia behind them which means that the cyclopes are inside of the barrier when it is created, giving them free access to Grover, Luke and Annabeth. However, the next shot shows Grover, Luke and Annabeth standing what looks like 5 feet from the shield

[@alexturlais8558]

TheIceCreamTroll 😂😂 you think the writers thought far enough into the future for the heroes of Olympus series? 😂 they didn't even plan for the other books.

[@GoodNeutralEvilChaos]

They could just have had her a regular Roman that never went to Circe, problem solved.

[@emc246]

@@GoodNeutralEvilChaos But the problem is that she lived there and dislikes Percy specifically because of that.

[@GoodNeutralEvilChaos]

@@emc246 I know but when adapting works there's always going to be changes. I just thought of the path with the least amount of fuck ups.

[@tardigrade8019]

@@emc246 lets count it as a blessing then they didnt destroy more characters then they already had

[@NickGames2000]

Also , in the movie makes us think that in the hermes cabin ,the only person living there is Luke .

[@kiarasnapper1698]

Percy slept on the ducking floor!!

[@jdrvargo287]

Yeah, Hermes Cabin being packed to the gills was kind of a major detail for the whole series. Way to go, movie makers!

[@dominicthompson5544]

Also the monster attracting tech

[@shosty575]

@@jdrvargo287 the whole deal with Zeus about claiming all demigods

[@DarthMolgy]

@@kiarasnapper1698 yeah, which brings up the fact that in the movie, people knew who Percy's father is and had the cabin readied for him, while in the book it was forshadowed and then revealed in a surprise.

[@TheLastSane1]

These movies got me into Percy Jackson. So I thank them for that.

[@michaeloconnor5904]

And hopefully nothing else.

[@TheLastSane1]

No the movies are trash in comparison to the books. I actually got the audiobooks because I liked them so much and I enjoyed listening to them.

[@Siriwarbreakerskz]

The only good thing they have done and will ever do

[@elainagilbert7663]

The fact that Rick Riordan has a letter to teachers on his website explaining that the movies are a waste of time to show in class honestly says everything you need to know about them. He even goes so far as to recommend the Disney Hercules film as an alternative which really showcases his opinion brilliantly.

[@epicanime009]

I cant remember if you said anything in your lightning theif review but demigods prophetic dreams werent mentioned at all. This was always major forshadowing for events to come and the way kronos attempted to corrupt percy throughout the series

[@spaceylatte]

FOR PEANUT BUTTER!!!

[@serenahamilton6724]

HisenArts I've been waiting forever for someone to make that joke

[@eyoshinthemaximum]

Such a silly, but extremely impactful moment in the book

[@chrisash4853]

Thanks for touching on these. I totally agree that this should get properly rebooted as a Netflix series.

[@DianaDxD]

Chris Ash I was going to suggest that. I mean another book series I love called Series of unfortunate events got a really terrible movie years ago but then Netflix did it justice. Percy Jackson has the potential to work it just needs to be done in an episodic format. Each book is a season and each chapter is an episode. Plus with binge watching so common you don't have to wait to know what happens next.

[@01ChaosWarrior]

I hope you read and enjoy all the other books in this universe eventually Krimson. They are great fun, and Rick LOVES to call back to earlier entries and have fun messing with us. Heck, he even did a little trilogy of short stories (That are collected in a small book called Demigods and Magicians) that crosses over Percy Jackson and the Kane Chronicles, and Magnus is just plain awesome as well. (Though it takes place after Heroes of Olympus, so I'd wait till your through that to begin that adventure) Like others have said, I wish Percy could get brought back and done right. There are so many great moments and characters that are begging to be properly adapted.

[@1slayer959]

01ChaosWarrior and that thor vs jesus joke was hilarious

[@shosty575]

@@1slayer959 😂😂😂😂 it just sort of replayed in my head and I lol'd 😂😂😂😂

[@jayblade2000]

"Krimson, what does the scouter say about it's continuity counter?' *Crushes Scouter* "IT'S OVER 9,000!" "What? An overused joke?"

[@TheLastSane1]

selina turned away from Luke when he killed her boyfriend who was during with percy. she sacrificed herself to bring area cabin to the fight. which thru clareese into a safe and no-one told anyone she was the spy out of respect

[@jacklovejoy5290]

Was Beckendorf even mentioned in the movies?

[@TheInsensitiveAsshole]

+Jack Lovejoy Nope.

[@cherrybillet4339]

for a start the true forms of the gods never brought up or referenced in that you will be burned alive if you look directly at them. similarly the true forms of the titans are so powerful that being in close proximity is suppose to make you spontaneously combust. How do you click the sword back into a pen? why is the hydra in the first movie, where is ares in the first movie, where is Aphrodite in the first movie, where is the trapped water park where they are attacked by tinker toys made by Hephaestus.

[@goodnight-moon564]

cherry billet I agree with you. The books have so much that the movie doesn’t. Also, Aphrodite was meant to be in the 3rd book (the Titans curse).

[@christianfreeman8690]

You can survive seeing true forms Jason did

[@carlweaselbear534]

@@christianfreeman8690 Jason only survived because the doors of the were opened

[@liv0072]

Great video but Thalia was 12 when she was turned into a tree. Luke was 14 and Annabeth was 7. Thalia did grow when she was a tree but more slowly. When she comes out she's 15 almost 16 even though she's supposed to be 18. All of this the movies kindly decided to ignore.

[@BrazenLunatic]

I'd say they did attempted at least to show it, given when Thalia was swatted away by a cyclops she looked 12 but came out if the tree looking around the same age as Percy. Its not like in the books where she did aged but slower, but at least they tried to show it in a way or another.

[@ghostking7853]

I also want to point out Luke never got his hands on the fleece. Clarisse took a plane to get it back to camp quicker. She was gone before Luke ever even showed up.

[@juliarhapsody]

i'm just saying this now the musical is SO much better than those terrible movies

[@weeaboo_weirdo]

areadersworld There's a musical?

[@alexturlais8558]

areadersworld Team Starkid would make it amazing

[@goodjobeli]

Kadesher Yep! Off Broadway, starring Chris McCarrell (Les Mis) as Percy and George Salazar (Be More Chill) as Grover and it is PERFECT!

[@goodjobeli]

Kadesher They're going on tour this year as well

[@stellasmob6937]

I love the musical

[@MsBAAKAAA]

It's like they read the first two books, threw them out, started writing the movies and read what happens in the fifth book on Wikipedia thinking this will be a showstopper by putting it in the movie.

[@goodjobeli]

This is a load of barnacles It's like they read the books when they first were out and forgot most of the plot so they just made it up.

[@LaurenTheorist]

Thank you for doing this. Those books were my CHILDHOOD. I have a friend that doesn't like to read, but I knew she would love the stories so I hoped for a movie, and told her she would love the movies if they happened. AND THEN THE MOVIES CAME OUT AND SHE LOVED THEM AND UGHHH!!!

[@cjkalandek996]

The thing about these movies that pisses me off the most is their misunderstanding and non-inclusion of the philosophical conflict of the book series. The overall themes of the book series consist of family, friendship, loyalty, and tragedy. And these essentially create the philosophical conflict of whether or not the gods are worth supporting. The gods are known to be forgetful and ignorant towards their children, hence the Hermes cabin being so crammed. And this is what led to so many Half-Bloods joining Kronos, because they felt insignificant and unloved. And there's the whole Great Prophecy thing. How many times have the gods outwardly stated their concerns about allowing Percy and Thalia to live and also their desire to kill them to prevent the prophecy from coming true? Hell, in the 5th book, we get a flashback scene where Zeus blew a building full of innocent people to kingdom come just to kill 2 children (who were not even pre-teens at the time) in an effort to save his own skin! But part of what made that argument valid on their part was that both Percy and Thalia have shown signs of being manipulated into Kronos's traps. Percy's fatal flaw is he doesn't really know when to cut his losses, as he's always trying to save his friends at the risk of sacrificing the world. And Thalia, being a daughter of Zeus, has this sort of superiority complex. She's been tempted once or twice with the promise of power when they find out about how the Ophiotaurus factors into the destruction of Olympus. And there's that little tidbit that the gods often know the fate of their children, thanks to the Oracle of Delphi. And while they have good reason not to divulge that info to their children (as they have a tendency to wanting to change their fate which usually ends up making things worse), it still makes sense how that would alienate anyone. In _The Battle of the Labyrinth,_ when Percy and Calypso are talking on how she was sentenced to imprisonment on her island because she supported her father Atlas in the first Titan war, she asks Percy a very thought-provoking question. _"Do you support the Olympians because you like the way they run things or because they're your family?"_ Having the gods be these beings who are forbidden by Zeus to see their children just feels like a betrayal to what made the books so engaging!

[@shadowcrone]

other than the missing prophecies from each book, the bead necklace, monster doughnuts, each of the characters backstory (grover and pan along with annabeth reconnecting with her father (since that becomes big in the next book)), also if the mist is a spray that also messes with stuff that happens in the heroes of Olympus (has a big deal the house of hades, won't spoil it for you) also this comes back to it ruins everything about the Riordanverse (percy jackson and the olympians, heroes of olympus, trials of apollo, karter kane trilogy and the magnus chase and the gods of asgard) there is way more ruined plot continuity counters than 12....more like 1200.

[@shosty575]

Hazel and her arc with Hecate and Pasiphaë gone down the drain

[@austinwalden2395]

let us all hope the screenwriters who made the percy jackson movies never discover heroes of olympus

[@matthewscorner2990]

I love how Sea of Monsters tried to be more faithful to the book series by doing things like making Annabeth blonde, Chiron a white horse, introducing Dionysus, Clarisse, Thalia's backstory, and the prophecy, but it ended up making more mistakes with continuity and plot than The Lightning Thief.

[@OptimusPhillip]

You can say the same thing about Chris Rodriguez as Silena and Ethan. In Battle of the Labyrinth, it's revealed that Chris and Clarisse were close friends before he turned to Luke. After Chris is found in the Labyrinth, driven almost completely insane, Clarisse is inconsolable and refuses to go into the Labyrinth. This ties in with the Silena arc as well, because after Chris recovers, Silena helps Clarisse to become Chris's girlfriend, and Clarisse becomes a super-protective friend to Silena, which makes her betrayal and sacrifice in the final book all the more tragic. It's especially insulting considering how large of a role Clarisse has in this story.

[@samuelbarber6177]

I love that this is a book series where we can say: “She’s effectively dead, and living as a tree.”

[@ztyran]

8:18 She did age as a tree just slowly. Also she was twelve, Luke was fourteen when Zeus turned her into a tree. When it's undone she's nearly sixteen.

[@tomhur1]

I'm not gonna spoil to much because I saw in the comments your planning to read heroes of Olympus. But sea of monsters had a moment that ruins continuity for it. You'll know it when you see it

[@artsycloud9140]

Tom Hur what moments

[@as8221]

Super Fan circe island. the fact they scrapped that storyline will ruin a characters backstory in hoo

[@tjsharpe7]

Oh shit I had forgotten about that. The freaking amazeballs lady from place-unspeakable-due-to-spoilers.

[@as8221]

tjsharpe7 yes exactly

[@donb7519]

What's sad is one of them is one of my favorite characters.

[@michaeloconnor5904]

Some notes: Luke was 13 or (more likely) 14 when he meets Hermes. Thalia was 12. Annabeth was 7. It is Pollux who Dionysus requests safety for.

[@verdethestarwarrior1088]

Man, I've been with this series since The Lightning Thief and even I never noticed most of these. Did they even TALK with Riordan during the production of this movie?

[@bul13ts]

Not really. He signed away the movie rights early on in the books distribution to get the sales boost that comes with a "Now a Major Motion Picture!" stamp. I don't blame him. It's probably part of what launched this series into the public eye, and without the early boost that deal gave him, I doubt the series would be as well known today. It's just such a pity the movies turned out to be shit.

[@verdethestarwarrior1088]

Poirot's Mustache Guess that's the only good thing to come out of this whole mess

[@b.f.2461]

Nothing ends literary criticism better than KITTEHS!

[@idrisa7909]

In addition to the dumb change with riptide not having a cap: in the Heroes of Olympus series (the sequel to pjo), it comes into play that if you touch the cap to the hilt of riptide, it turns back into a pen and you can write with it (and I believe the ink has some magical properties)

[@SebasTian58323]

Initially Annabeth did live at camp all year, but afterwards she improves her relationship with her father and goes back to living with him, initially it doesn't work out but I think they have a better relationship by the end of the first series. Thalia aged slower in tree form so that she's younger than what she's supposed to be but not as young as she was when she was turned into the tree. Apollo figures out what her current age is. They didn't think she was still there, so why would they try to heal a perfectly healthy tree? As for the clothes and stuff, I'm guessing that magic had something to do with that. Granted she wasn't physically there until the Fleece undid the damage and transformation in the book, but the movie doesn't really care. A God's true form is deadly to most mortals and demigods, and it's implied that a Titan's true form would be about as strong or stronger, so Percy and the rest would be vaporized if Kronos' true form were to be revealed

[@samuelbarber6177]

In the Lightning Thief movie, Poseidon says in the opening scene: "Zeus... It's been many years." You meet twice a year, what the hell are you talking about? Also, in the book the Fury is hiding out as the Maths, not the English teacher. The reason I care, is the actual first chapter, the first thing you read in the book is: "I accidentally vaporised my Pre-Algebra teacher", this can only be a "F*ck you, Riordan" message right out of the gate.

[@VyvyantOH]

That 1 dislike is from someone who was in the production of the movies

[@GoodNeutralEvilChaos]

And the other 6?

[@vigilantsycamore8750]

Kronos: "the cursed blade..." Percy: "yes. And do you know who cursed it in the first place? Poseidon" Me: "WHAT? NO! NO! WHAT? WHAT? NO, WHAT? NO!"

[@salenebrom6476]

Can you review each book

[@artsycloud9140]

Krimson you should read the heroes of Olympus series it's a spin off of the Percy Jackson books it's the same world same people but new stories and new characters i really enjoyed them and I think you would to ;)

[@sirjacob74]

Super Fan Lol you beat me to it! I said that as well. I think I write comments too long.

[@Anon3433]

It's not a spinoff, it's the sequel to PJ&O

[@sebastianohlson2833]

Blackjack was not in the movies

[@mistymornings4862]

They can't afford to animate a horse when they spent most of their budget on unnecessary scenes lol

[@mistymornings4862]

The fact that riptide was a capped pen may seem like a small detail that can easily be thrown aside, but it plays a somewhat big role in House of Hades, later on in the series, in a way it literally helped Percy and Annabeth in Tartarus. The cap, when placed on the other end instead of discarding it like Percy normally does, turns it into a real, functional pen, allowing percy to write a note with it. Love the way Riordan incorporates small details into his writing, something the movie definitely doesn't care about

[@tedgruver7618]

From what I heard, Disney has announced that they will be adapting the Percy Jackson books for Disney+ and they promise that they will be more faithful to the books than the movies were.

[@neoblaster5417]

I'm thinking about making a Percy Jackson "movie" that actually has everything in the book. But I am to young right now. Still is my dream to make something worthy of being named Percy Jackson. What do you guys think. Should i do this or should I not. Edit: it won't be in the horrible Percy Jackson movies out right now.

[@jackntheboxproductions6793]

Neo Blaster absolutely dude, I think that's a great idea, it would be great to see the truck scene with Percy and annabeth actually talking in live action

[@FuugaNatsu]

Throw in a few "seaweed-brain"'s, remember to actually give Tyson his character, and y'know, don't destroy the continuity of the entire book series, and I am there, man.

[@peggyskyler3283]

Neo Blaster Heck yeah man

[@jamieriley9410]

The mess up on Hades in Lightening Thief is such a bummer

[@snow-wing7965]

I like the cat at the end. And Percy never lived every day with his mom. He lived with her during winter and summer vacation, untill the end of the first book, when Gabe is dead, and she moved. He joins camp half-blood for summer vacation, and lives with his mom full-time because he doesn't have boarding school anymore anytime eles. That is how it is after the first book.

[@No1ofConsequence]

Part of me, a very dark and twisted part, kind of wishes there were going to be more movies just to watch the hate flow through you. Give in to the Dark Side!

[@TheLastSane1]

Also Krim, for Thalia in the tree, she was not in the ground she was the tree. The Fleece just healed the tree and saw Thalia's humanity as foreign so it expelled it but since it healed her before it she lived. If it had expelled all toxins or foreign traces at once shw would have died. At least from what I understood of it .

[@ninefold7937]

Your really good as a KZbinr you should also read the heroes of Olympus, Magnus chase, the trails of apollo, and the Kane chronicles just on problem; a lot of vids just point out mistakes that's it

[@ninefold7937]

Those movies have as much in common with the books as an oven and a freezer

[@michaelnally2841]

Well in the first book it's established that an outsider needs permission to enter the camp and the Minotaur disapperates Percy's mother just like in the film. But my problem is in there Grover was knocked out and was unable to help Percy. In the film though Grover is conscious and while he may not have been able to say the phrase in time he could've tried. Now while the Sayters are technically not campers I don't recall any details preventing Grover from giving permission to enter the camp. Also Percy finding out Possieden is his father. In the book after fighting Clarrise in capture the flag and forming a rivalry with her(also why wasn't Clarrise in the film). Any who after the game Percy is chose(I forget the exact word) by Poseidon and finds out he's the son of Poseidon. Everyone bows and Percy doesn't want the royalty treatment. In the film however he's a typical half blood, and it's not treated with the weight it was in the book. Also they got Hades wrong. True Hades captured Percy's mother, but he didn't want the Lightning Bolt and wanted his charm. He didn't want a war to happen between his brothers and honestly was a more chill type of God than the villain he's otten portrayed as. This helps because we find out in book 3 he did have children and in book 5 how much he really loved his children.

[@1slayer959]

Michael Nally yeah... especially considering he risked his neck continuasly to keeo the alive

[@OptimusPhillip]

Slight correction: Thalia was 12 when she was turned into a tree. She's 14 or 15 when she's revived six years later, though, because she continued to age at the rate of a tree.

[@thefabulouskilljoy7076]

And in the house of hades HoO riptide has to have a cap because that is how they get to use riptide to write a note to people in camp half blood

[@cuanchulainn]

A small detail i just remembered and it's so nit-picky but Camp Half-Blood's thing is supposed to be a summer camp that's funded by a strawberry farm as its mortal front, as a fun riff on the fact that Dionysus can't drink wine and can't even grow his own grapes, so strawberries Where the fuck were the strawberries in the movies?

[@clonedastarwarsstory6914]

I love this! Well done Krimson. You could entertain me for hours by simply criticizing movies this way. I mean of corusei. Love your huge videos with great emotion put in, but these are sort of relaxing. I have my coffee and I'm relaxing while I watch this.

[@NicklasZandeVGCP2001]

Luke was the only character in the movies to retain his original age.

[@thewitchinghour8533]

after i watched the first Percy Jackson movie I was really upset on how bad it is and the books are so good they don't even need movies about them, but if some one still wanted on the TV at home then it should have been an animated series. what makes that though so much worse is that the way the book is structured it would have been a perfect animated series think about is each book is one season and each chapter is an episode. even the way Rick Riordan named the chapters you wouldn't even need to think about funny names four the episodes but sadly no, Hollywood needed a few extra bucks.

[@llllll1897]

I was really pissed that the cut the whole scene where Percy and his mum go away to the beach in the first book. It's a really minor thing, but that whole interaction was so beautiful and wholesome and really increased the impact of her death soon after.

[@As8bakwTheSage]

"Ana...anaclus...anaklusmos.... one of those has got to be right?" Me, the Latin/Ancient Greek nerd: *sCREAMING iN pAIN*

[@KrimsonRogue]

Lol, my bad. XD

[@LaurenTheorist]

I didn't know how much I needed this until now.

[@thexsoar]

It is so much fun seeing you take apart the inconsistencies, please do this with other movies! Your passion is amazing!

[@emmawright9660]

Tyson “died” halfway through Sea of Monsters which wrecked Percy. Also there is such GOOD character growth in cerci’s island, and the island of sirens and leaving those out is such a disappointment.

[@tigamaki1345]

Coming back to this 3 years later cause it popped up so why not 14:07 - Not only is it in plain view, A CAR SWERVES OUT THE WAY. Why would it have done that unless IT SAW THEM

[@samuelbarber4154]

9:55 also, how did Percy's mum even get past? If she can through the barrier, then how come she can't get through the arch?

[@izzycassiopeia8450]

Krimson: "You don't have 3 hours to listen to me complaining" Me: "I bingewatched every video of Empress Teresa. I can sit here all day."

[@adamgelb567]

23:45 If I recall correctly, this was a nod to the Plutarch line "theGreat God Pan is Dead!".

[@ravenknight4195]

Something I don't hear mentioned pretty much at all is that Percy can't fly in any matter or else (I can't remember if it was theorized or actually said) percy would get fried like a chicken strip by Zeus for entering his domain, so percy using the flying shoes in the Parthenon and in the battle with Luke would have him killed faster Level 1 player in a COD lobby

[@BenSmith-oi2wn]

by the way they explain nectar completley wrong.

[@alexturlais8558]

Ben Smith did they explain anything right?

[@Fvillegas]

I really enjoy these vids. Listening to your insides on the adaptation/series when less scripted and more natural really helps the viewer to focuses on the analysis and specific plot details. Also it provides a sense of intimicy; like chatting with a friend about the movie over a cup of coffee. At least that 's my experience as a viewer. Really enjoy the entire channel, though. PS. Look cute on that shirt.

[@Foustdoodles98]

I would love to see the Percy Jackson books as an animated series on Netflix, with Rick writing it!

[@Demona9999Marluxia]

aaaah this is so nice to see someone pick this movies apart. Well Krimson, its time you read the rest of Riordan books!

[@dominickfinch5693]

“You guys don’t have three hours to listen to me complain.” I have watched, at the very least, 100+ hours of 3-5 hour videos of voice actors sitting around and playing D&D. I could do it no problem.

[@mikkurzhal7390]

You've put everything that made me cry in anger while I watched these movies into words.

[@jkseraphim4]

Don't forget that in the book Tyson was able to hear other people across another room and mimic their voices before Percy and the others were caught. And him giving inspiring words to his biggest fan, I believe it was another mythological cyclops. I haven't read the book in years, so not many of the scenes that you listed I vaguely remember. I did enjoy the Party ponies and when the centaur who worked in the camp was kicked out.

[@ericgaw113]

The part about Pan dying because of the wild lands disappearing, could have a fun reveal that Teddy Roosevelt was a son of Pan, and that is why he he started the National Parks. It would have been a great twist. He could have influenced FDR into making the CCC [Civilian Conservation Corp].

[@epicremarc]

The screenwriter for the lightning thief’s resume was the live action Scooby-doo, for the sea of monsters his resume is green lantern. Yeah, these movies were doomed from the start

[@jsb6975.ah.crapbaskets]

Which live action Scooby Doo movies?

[@tedgruver7618]

@@jsb6975.ah.crapbasketsThe first theatrical movie and it was a story credit.

[@Siriwarbreakerskz]

With the whole Thalia thing, this is what happened. She was about 12 when she was turned into a tree and as we can see later she did not die. In the years following that incident she kept aging but much more slowly than she should have normally . As a result when she was was purged from the tree she should have been in her late teens but she still felt like she was 12 and if u looked her she seemed to be somewhere in between and it was concluded in the Titan's Curse by apollo that she was 15. Hope this helped somehow :)

[@alexnoya6910]

One thing that they left out that I was disappointed by was Percy and Grover's connection. The mental link they had comes into play in helping find Grover in The Sea of Monsters as well as in the Heros of Olympus series.

[@reginarodriguez1477]

Tyson yelling “PEANUT BUTTER” as a war cry being cut out is a crime against humanity

[@lo4tr]

Let's not forget a couple of things... 1) Luke and Annabeth are shown to know each other in Sea of Monsters, making their lack of interaction in Lightning Thief even worse. 2) Why did Luke have Percy and Crew find those pearls if he didn't want them to escape the Underworld? In the book it is Poseidon who gives the pearls because he doesn't want Percy to die... That would be the same as if Ares gave them the pearls and acted shocked when they lived.

[@cathalhughes5996]

Little did we know cursive blade means blade that can write in cursive which since riptide is a pen can do so.

[@696190]

27:24 according to the OED, the only word that rhymes with orange (perfectly) is sporange, some kind of tool used in glass manufacturing. according to Drake and Josh, you can rhyme orange with door hinge. according to Eminem, depending on your intonation, you can rhyme orange with ten-inch, porridge, storage, etc. I think I spend too much time on YT....

[@thevoidlookspretty7079]

“You don’t have 3 hours to listen to me complain.” I once watched the Achievement Hunter video of them playing Uno for 3 hours. I can do anything.

[@justijess5233]

Thalia is 12 Luke is 14 when they first came to camp. When Thalia was in the tree it slowed her aging so in titans curse she's just older than percy.

[@barddbarian1384]

In the book, Thalia is 12 at the time she dies, is turned into a tree and ages at about half the rate, and so when she is revived 7 years later, she is 15. By the 3rd book, her 16th birthday (which is very important to the prophecy) is only weeks away.

[@coderoflife1687]

You forgot the respect Clarisse and Percy have at the end of the second book as he lets her take the fleece to camp.

[@annaprigge5877]

You should read the Heroes of Olympus series. You will find even more things they messed up with the movies, that are important for the series

[@psychopassifist]

omg yes!! Selena!!! I completely missed that part of the movie! Okay now I'm mad... they shattered such a big part of the 5th book for absolutly no reason.

[@NeroCM]

15:30 I feel like everything falls on Luke anyway. No matter what kind of problems you have, you don't ally yourself with an ancient Titan who wants to take over the world, possibly killing thousands if not millions in the process, nor do you (like the first movies suggests) cause a war that will annihilate Earth as we know it. At some point in your life you need to take responsability and ownership of your actions and choices. No matter if you had a lousy father, were an orphan, were abused or any other possible traumatic experience you might have had, you don't get a "get out of jail free card" because of that.

[@prussianlord4066]

Oh boy this will be good. Oh and also if i remember correctly Thalia just aged slower. Also that ending.

[@habylandblah960]

My point is that Annabeth only gas her dagger in the film once for what I know but in the book it’s the only weapen she uses.