Perfect Landings: Stabilized Approach | X Plane 11 - Zibo 737 - 800

[@mjc3008]

I only fly Ryanair so that if I have a hard landing, I can just say that I was making my flight as realistic as possible

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Haha, well played!

[@twentiescommunity7880]

🤣

[@Jakubisiakgames8779]

fr same on my lives

[@rigor.m9422]

Great tutorial for beginners, but here’s my two cents: 1: use the autopilot. Disconnect at minimums the first few landings, then at 1000’, then at 2500’, and theeeen go raw data. This way you can learn how the flap speeds behave, how fast is too fast, etc. 2: flap 30 is much easier to land on, 40 is a bit floaty. 3: use the autothrottle. Bug vref + 5 and let the plane do your job. 4: seriously, use automation as often as possible. I get that when you’re new, flying the plane manually is awesome and all, but the plane is there to work with you, not against you. Use flight directors, autothrottle and autopilot, you’ll need to learn how to use these at some point anyway, might as well make your flight easier 5: get into the habit of doing checklists. This is probably the fastest way to get consistent approaches, to have your plane configured in time, all the time Also a good bit of info: 160 kts at 2000’ is key. Gear down flap 15 at 5 miles DME. Hope this helps abit :)

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Fantastic tips, thank you. I wish I had known those when I made the video. Are you a sim pilot only or do you also have real world experience?-Tim

[@FlightBrothersFT]

rigor m those are all great tips for the community! If each simmer critically evaluates areas where they struggle and works to improve that area they will get better. Work and consistency!

[@andredarin8966]

As remarkable as the zibo-mod is keep in mind that there are a lot of ways it just can't capture the demands of the real airplane. By it's nature, the 800 is a bit stiff-legged and "roll ons" are a hit or miss proposition. This is likely due to the necessity of a 3 degree to 4 degree flare to avoid a career ending tailstrike. Insofar as Vref goes, Vapp is almost always faster and typically going over the numbers at 140kts-150kts is the norm. Fully weighted and carrying extra fuel 170kts is not out of the question. Then, too, different airports necessitate different approaches. MDW stands out. Flaps 40/brakes 3 is typical (brakes 2 if you're landing light and flaps 30 in gusty winds). Add to that different performance preferences for different airlines and there truly is no "one-size-fits-all" way to land the 800. I would suggest one more thing: spoilers and thrust reversers first and then considerably later,brakes. The reversers will have already have brought the engines to idle before the brakes kick in. Here is a graphic from the Boeing training model for 737's and a note: www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/articles/qtr_02_10/5/img/A5_fig1.gi 737: Intercept the glide slope with gear down and flaps 15 at flaps 15 speed. At the end of the day, there's no substitute for having a line check pilot babysitting you while you grapple with these things.

[@anthonybruce3482]

rigor.m used your pointers during my practice along with this tutorial really sped up my learning curve. Number 3 was crucial vref+5. Thank you

[@d.t.5400]

Thank you from a baby Aviator lol

[@s6xer]

i liked the part when you said "all red, you're dead" haha epic! 😂

[@FlightBrothersFT]

I can't take credit for inventing that phrase, but I like to share it. It definitely conveys the appropriate seriousness of being below glide-slope.

[@OhYeahBeats]

Thank you for this. Working on my soft landings

[@FlightBrothersFT]

You are welcome. Let us know how it turns at after you get some practice in.

[@mitchellhuffmenne6408]

Thank you for the tips. I’ve only flown GA aircraft so far. My landings were pretty bad at first, and still not great, but once I read the section on landings in the Airplane Flying Handbook, I got much better. The advice to pick and focus on an aiming point made the biggest difference. Glad you emphasize this in your video.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Thanks for taking time to comment. You'll have to let us know how it goes when you try landing commerical jets. Getting everything configured, trimmed, and the throttle just right is really an art. The GA planes are great practice, so I'm sure you will learn quickly.

[@anthonybruce3482]

I'm new to the Zibo but have been X Plane simming for a year and this was really helpful. Thanks

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Glad to hear it! Happy flying.

[@anthonybruce3482]

Question please. I have a thrustmaster hotas throttle/yoke system. I'm landing stabilized now based on this video in practice patterns. One thing I can't sync is my auto throttle. If I don't disengage the speed takes me to the runway perfectly. Is the auto throttle supposed to disengage automatically on touchdown? When I'm on final at any distance I can successfully disengage AP but not AT - meaning the N1 drops to idle and I lose stability. Hopefully this makes sense.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Depending on the aircraft there might be a blue or green line on the N1 indicator, this should coincide with your throttle position. Try moving the handles and hopefully you’ll see it, then set your levers to the “current”/commanded thrust setting. This should ease the transition from AT to manual thrust control. Configuring an AT disconnect button on the HOTAS may also help. Some of this comes down to your personal preferences. We hope that helps, but feel free to hit us back if you need to!

[@blackbokis3064]

Flying multiple circuits is the most effective way to practice landing, it helped me a lot with the An-24RV! Trim is also very important for stabilizing the approach. I barely move the yoke up or down on approach, instead, I play around with the trim and it avoids overcorrections.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Good tips, I agree completely!

[@ukLeeham720]

A Ryanair pilot said use Flaps 30 unless it's a very short runway. The 737 FCTM (1.12/page 44) gives figures for actual landing speeds based on VREF in the Approach page and current winds. Tail Wind

[@FlightBrothersFT]

ukLeeham720 thanks for the info. The intent for this video was due to the popularity of the 737, but was intended to help all pilots develop a solid sight picture and fundamentals to improve their approaches irrespective of the equipment they are flying. Thank you for sharing the info with the community! This is the kind of feedback we love to receive. In ground school I was taught to add half of the gust spread (Lee)

[@avneeshawasthi5763]

I think another great way to learn about stabilized approaches is to monitor an ils approach, how systems work....what is the descent rate...how is power managed etc. Although , yes Practice makes a pilot perfect...great vid brother.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Thank you!

[@Jaden_Iarusso]

Crazy to remember i learned how to fly a 737 from your channel. Im so good at flying it know i absolutely adore the Zibo mod 737 i just want to have a perfect landing every time now thats why im back lol.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

That’s great to hear! Well every landing is different, but practice and repetition should help. Then you go from a Cessna to a 747 and smash it on anyway! :)

[@ch4dix]

As of XP12 there's actually a 2d glideslope guide on the map. Just open the map, select the destination runway number and "show glideslope". It should show you some how close or far you are from the ideal glideslope. I wound up on this page because I couldn't keep my lateral landings straight.

[@Sim737Pilot]

Nice quality video with insets and clean sharp labels and good audio with no stupid music in the background. If only more KZbinr's would record like this.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Thank you for the compliment. We are constantly working to improve our video quality, and we were rather proud of this one. Be sure to subscribe as our content is always improving.

[@larissasousa5052]

Hello, Captain. It is me again. This time, I would like to thank you very much for writing to explain the glideslope +/- 1 dot to me. Further, I would like to say that I learned a lot of things from the answers you gave to other simmers. I am looking forward to watching other educational and entertaining videos as the one you have posted on perfect landings. Once more, congratulations! Regards. Larissa.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Our pleasure 👍

[@rockyrowlands3652]

Good video technique to get your point across, and well done. No waffle, just relevant information. Good use of multiple views. I hope others learn from your instruction technique. Keep up the good work.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

David Rowlands thank you!

[@hovikabrahamian3801]

Perfect landing tutorial, great explanation, not often find perfect tutorials like yours, Thanks a lot.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Thanks for the compliment. Happy flying and smooth landings to you.

[@klaush.6032]

I have been looking for a good landing tutorial for such a long time. Here I finally found the right one. Many thanks for the excellent Explanation.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

You are very welcome, thanks for taking time to comment. Since I (Tim) did not have any formal training I decided I needed to look up the actual method for landing. Making this video helped force me to research the procedures and then practice them. I must say, since making this video I have not made landings as awful as the ones I showed in the beginning. Happy flying, and hope to see you around on the channel.

[@donunder]

Circuit training is helpful and fun. And it's a good idea to memorize a few pitch/power settings and use them to hand fly at low altitude to get a feel for the jet. I like to bomb around at 2000 ft AGL at 5 degrees of flap and thrust set between 55 & 65% N1, depending on weight.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Great tip. I found when I flew the pattern by hand I had a great approach. When I let the autopilot fly the pattern and I took over, it was a hot mess.

[@randreas69]

Great demo. I'd like to add that the throttle at the end of the video should be used to adjust the descent rate and the pitch up to reduce speed.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Roger Andreassen absolutely. Thank you for bringing that up. A key element that many miss!

[@johnmarek8985]

Thank you for producing this video, I have learn't a lot from your instructions and this vision continued in the Flight Brothers teaching tradition.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Thanks Porco. We are glad you haven’t bored of the content! Stay tuned, we have some new things planned which we hope add more value to the channel.

[@PilotWannabe]

If you're going to teach yourself how to fly a new plane, you may wish to take a VFR tour of your fav city in slow flight in landing configuration, gear up. Once you can fly at slow at Max Landing Weight comfortably, you will never fear another bad approach. Most all poor landings start with a poor approach. Oh yeah, forgot to mention, its great to get stared with the autopilot engaged, but the real fun is doing it manually.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

That is a fantastic suggestion! I'm definitely going to give that a try.

[@pbr2805]

Good video... Don't forget to set auto brk. Speed brk and landing speed about 140K and flare will loose speed. Radio alt set to about 31 for call out.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Thanks for the tips! So I should be crossing the threshold at 140kts and then bleeding all that speed in the flare? I will have to give that a try.

[@bishb25]

Great video! I found it very well made and informative. Thanks

[@MrNICAULISES]

Great Video !! This is the areas where I struggle a lot but I will keep practicing 🛬🛬🛬🛬

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Thanks for the comment. We're also constantly working on our landings. The wide range of aircraft we fly in Xplane makes it even harder as the principals translate from aircraft to aircraft but the feel and handling are so different on each.

[@iShowGaming02]

hey after setting up Your VREF speed in the FMS (7:30), was the speed (i.e 140 knots) Automatic , or manual ?

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Normally if you’ve selected the aircraft weight and flaps, the V speeds populate automatically….in the Zibo, not the default 737.

[@iShowGaming02]

@@FlightBrothersFT oh ok thx

[@AviationMaster]

Great tutorial! Always used your channel for XP guidance :) Thanks!!

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Our pleasure, thanks for taking time to comment!

[@marshall1864]

This is very useful info, very well presented. Just one thing. It looks like you're trying to use power to control sink. Don't. It's a fast, slippery jet, with slow-spooling engines and lots of momentum. Use pitch for rate and power for speed, and you'll find yourself at almost a fixed 48-60 percent power coming down the hill, depending on flaps and weight. Keep up the good work!

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Thank you, good tip!

[@marshall1864]

@@FlightBrothersFT BTW, any fan of FlyJSim’s two epic Boeing jets, especially their hand-flying qualities, shows immaculate taste.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

@@marshall1864 I take it you saw our comparison video then. Aircraft so good you don't even want to use the AP.

[@marshall1864]

@@FlightBrothersFT and that’s the key point. Hand-flying ought to be a test-and valued more, when it comes to judging and calibrating flight controls. If real planes, commercial and GA, were as squirrelly and tough to fly as most simcraft, planes would be falling out of the sky hourly.

[@dgnz7628]

Really good video, cheers for sharing!

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Our pleasure, thank you for commenting. Be sure to check out our other content!

[@larissasousa5052]

Hello, Captain. You are very good at explaining technical concepts in clear language. Unfortunately, I was not able to understand the +/- 1 dot aspect of a stabilized approach. Congratulations for your video. Regards. Larissa.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Thanks for the compliment Larissa. The +/- one dot is referring to the magenta ILS glideslope indicator on the right of the artificial horizon. The magenta arrow shows your aircraft's location on the vertical glideslope, and the dots above and below indicate a specific number of degrees above or below the glideslope. Up to one dot off from the centered position is considered acceptable, but beyond one dot is too far off glideslope to make a safe approach. Too high and you would land long or hard, too low and you may leave the protected airspace and risk hitting something as you get closer to the runway. The magenta indicator on the bottom of the artificial horizon indicates the localizer in a similar way, which is your alignment with the runway horizontally. We hope that helps. Happy landings!

[@cnewtonc]

Excellent Tutorial. Thanks

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Thank you. A lot of behind-the-scenes research went into the production of this video.

[@kaeptnbaloo]

WAZUP... another great waypoint. last week i stumbled over BARBQ

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Check the Freedom1 into KDCA and the Razor into either KOAK or KSFO. There are some good names there too.

[@JasonCauman]

if the talks thingy says 10 idle then thrust reverses and spoilers on the ground but you need a good flare about it

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Jason Cauman thanks for commenting. That surely finishes the landing, but our point being a good landing starts with a good approach!

[@TriforceLegacyOfficial]

What's the scenery called and is it free

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Yes this was the free Phoenix International Airport KPHX, by MisterX6 from XPlane.org forums.

[@magicnorm2036]

Loved your video. Using multiple views adds a nice touch. Would also be nice if you could make a video describing the steps in detail to practice the landing and the pattern.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

@Normand Bedard, thank you. This was my first video utilizing multiple camera angles, I'm glad it was worth it. I like your ideas and realize I didn't elaborate those points. Until I have time to make another one, here are some tips. You can fly the pattern using HDG mode on autopilot, simply turning the HDG bug 90 degrees for each turn. You can continue the turns on the crosswind and base leg immediately without leveling out. For the downwind leg, refer to the MFD map or the DME to be sure you fly far enough to be able to intercept the glideslope. Turning by hand, simply bank the aircraft 30 degrees and maintain altitude and speed. For the landing, it is hard to give tips without seeing what you're doing. One way you could practice would be to arrive at the glideslope fully configured (gear down, flaps set for landing, speed at VREF). That will give you a nice long 5nm or so to 'feel' the aircraft, monitor the descent, and practice the tiny adjustments in throttle or course that might be needed.

[@magicnorm2036]

Flight Brothers FT Do you configure anything in the FMC? Do you mostly use the trim to control the pitch or use the yoke? What about after touchdown? I suppose you reset Autobrake RTO, Speebrakes down, Flaps up to 5, full throttle, ....

[@FlightBrothersFT]

@@magicnorm2036 You could use the FMC to select an approach, but for practice that isn't really necessary. Trim is the key on stabilized approaches, touching the yoke should be almost unnecessary for pitch. Once you get the perfect trim and throttle setting (if on glideslope), the aircraft will basically float down to the runway without much further intervention until flare.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Normand Bedard after exiting the runway you can complete the after landing checklist. You are heading in the right direction! Auto brakes would come off (RTO, rejected take off not necessary for taxi in) strobes off, taxi light on, spoilers retracted, flaps up (if not on a contaminated runway, inspected for damage post flight in snow/ice for example, so they would be left), transponder to alt off (this lets surface radar still ping the aircraft so they show up to air traffic controllers, but “declutters” their (ATC) display. Hope this provides a bit more information for you!

[@gemster18]

Great job on the video my friend, I also agree with the other commenter that you should maybe use auto throttle a little bit more so you're not floating up and down between the glide slope and then on the route of thousand feet from the threshold maybe you can disengage the autopilot and the auto throttle, otherwise perfect video! Great learning tool for people that are flying simulation and perhaps even learning something in the process.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Great comments, thanks for the feedback. I certainly agree the auto-throttle would be more stable. That said, there is some benefit to practicing manual throttle enough that you can handle it without the automation. I'm certainly not there yet!

[@YourLocalSigmaBoss]

The legend says that he replies to every comment

[@FlightBrothersFT]

We try.

[@timotejpanuska5323]

Nice video it helps, but can you tell me how can i get to the centerline because my landings are not in the center of runway Thanks for answer

[@FlightBrothersFT]

The easiest answer for this is practice. If you have an ILS on the runway, you could tune it up as well to help. Stick with one aircraft and keep practicing, build the sight picture in your mind, then move to different aircraft. Each one will be slightly different. Cheers and happy flying!

[@timotejpanuska5323]

Flight Brothers FT thanks very much man and happy flying to you too

[@richiee4736]

great vid

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Thanks! Welcome to the channel.

[@Kreemerz]

I was watching the Speedtape on the PFD. I noticed you didn't have the Flap VRef bugs displaying. Are you gonna show how to use those when doing a precision landing?

[@FlightBrothersFT]

@Kreemerz I think I know why they aren't displayed. Most of the video is filmed in the Zibo, which calculates and displays the flap references you're describing. Some of the video is filmed on the default Laminar 738 which I don't believe has the display because of its simple default FMC. If you'd like to see an example of the flap speed references, please check the linked video below. It is time stamped to start at a point where the PFD is displaying the information. If you wanted info on using those references, basically deploy the displayed level of flap at (or below) the indicated speeds bugged on the speed tape. kzbin.info/www/bejne/lX65Y3Z3hb-tr7c

[@gemmapowlespowles8739]

what screen recorder do you use

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Invidia’s built in Shadowplay.

[@RyanLoveMegenNicole]

Awesome video! i would like to ask, do you have any plans to do a full flight tutorial with the FFA320?

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Thank you, glad you like it. Regarding the Airbus, it is certainly an possibility for the future. The other FBFT creator has it in his hangar already.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Ryan Kau Lee here, I plan to do one in the future. Most of my heavy metal flying is with Boeing, and, as you may be well aware, the two manufacturers have quite different ideas on how the airplane operates. The short answer is yes, the A320 will make an appearance. The longer answer is I need to fly it more to not look like it’s my fourth or fifth flight! ;)

[@RyanLoveMegenNicole]

Flight Brothers FT that’s awesome! Glad to hear you have plans to do a few airbus flight! Looking forward for your videos!

[@gopalakrishnandharmaraj1689]

Its really nice to watch and can you please make video for plan entire setup in home

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Thanks for the comment. Do you mean aircraft setup (cold and dark), flight plan and FMC setup, or perhaps something else? We have videos already on the aircraft cold and dark, as well as flight planning and FMC.

[@LazyFoxAC]

Very good titorial, but just wanna know jow do i download charts from navigraph after i have paid.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Charts.navigraph.com has the chart viewer. Navigraph.com has links for downloading the AIRAC nav data as well as a chart viewing app. Also, the Avitab plugin you see in the video can be linked to your navigraph account to allow you to view charts 'in the cockpit.'

[@LazyFoxAC]

@@FlightBrothersFT Thx a lot.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

@@LazyFoxAC our pleasure. Happy landings!

[@LazyFoxAC]

@@FlightBrothersFT Just like to know one more thing, how can i link navigraph charts to avitab as i dont want to screenshots all the charts before the 1 month subscription has ended. Anyway thank you.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

@@LazyFoxAC you click the Navigraph button on the Avitab and it takes you to a login page. After that you can access the charts. If you let your subscription expire, you will lose that ability.

[@segerpramono9781]

Good morning healthy al ways Greetings everyone 👍👍👍👍💪👏the best 😃thank you 👍👍👍👍👍

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Thank you!

[@rahalwidanagamage]

Thank you very much for convincing me the fact that landing rate alone won't make your landings perfect. Subscribed...

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Awesome. Welcome to the channel. It really is a satisfying feeling to get the plane stable and have it float down to the runway right on glideslope.

[@chensich7519]

Cool vid, I was always high and fas

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Thanks for commenting. High and fast is a problem, but certainly better than too low too slow!

[@Danny_Roman.]

Excellent tutorial m8

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Thank you!

[@martintoner9477]

What hardware are you using for this? Graphics quality looks good

[@FlightBrothersFT]

It's from xForce PCs, they custom build for Xplane. I5-7500 @ 3.4ghz, 16gig ram. Graphics card is GTX 1070 with 8gb vram

[@bastiangross8554]

Nice Tutorial! Bit I have a problem. Every time im on the ils my plane is just doing a 45° left or right turn. And I dont know what im doing wrong. Can you please help? I would appreciate it.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Bastian Gross there should be no reason for that. A bit more info might help. Are you hand flying the aircraft? This would rule out a “bad” autopilot, if simulated. Which aircraft are you using? If using autopilot, are you pressing a “v/loc” mode to align with the final approach course and once established on the Glideslope using app (approach) for the vertical profile?

[@bastiangross8554]

@@FlightBrothersFT im doing that and i am using a zibo 737

[@bastiangross8554]

@@FlightBrothersFT can i send you a vid who im approaching?

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Sure, I’m not sure if we will be able to help, but we can try. A lot of users with issues in the Zibo do not have a clean install. Did you install the complete version and overwrite existing files? Often this is a problem. We would also suggest searching/posing your questions to the Zibo Community group on Facebook.

[@chensich7519]

I think it might be your yoke needs recalibration

[@SimsSmith]

Would love to see a tutorial on details of "Flare " phase during landing.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Thanks for idea, we will definitely consider that. In the meantime, you basically need to slowly bring the nose up while idling the throttles about 20 feet above the runway. Flare too much (or if you're speed is above vref) and you'll get a float and climb. Flare too little had you risk touching down on the nose gear first or simultaneously with the mains, which can damage the gear and/or bend the aircraft.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZpOydpyIa6-ojrs - Flight Bro Lee

[@SimsSmith]

@@FlightBrothersFT That video doesn't apply to 737. There is no flaring in GA but it is a real thing for jetliners.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

@@SimsSmith agreed, but in either case you are bleeding off energy to allow the aircraft so settle comfortably onto the runway. You wouldn’t want to stall an airliner, but any approach to landing is an exercise in energy management.

[@bluepasta9505]

I like the mid air reverse thrust lol

[@FlightBrothersFT]

A classic cheat move!

[@mikejvevo3153]

beautiful brother

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Thanks!

[@mikejvevo3153]

@@FlightBrothersFT I just don't have the specs for the game if not I'll be playing it

[@vitconli]

Could you please give me list of mod in this clip?

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Zibo 737, avitab plugin, Navigraph charts subscription, and freeware MisterX6 KPHX scenery.

[@vitconli]

@@FlightBrothersFT kindly appreciate and thank you very much.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Our pleasure, happy flying!

[@EliasSchanz06]

1:23 was that CYVR!? That’s where I live!

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Sadly it is not Vancouver. What a great location you're at though! Have you seen our Xplane vs real world comparison video? I was on a Cessna with friends just south of you flying from Seattle up to Friday Harbor, just across from Victoria. I frequently sim around that area for fun. Stunning scenery and many great airports of all sizes from SeaTac up to CYVR.

[@EliasSchanz06]

Flight Brothers FT oh awesome! Same here. I control (vatsim) at cyvr and I’ve flown to seatac a few times

[@Captain_bernoulli]

I love it.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Thanks!

[@i3rendan435]

My plane like drifts up so it’s hard to get a good glide slope it is annoying

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Just a few things to check or try: Are you on the VREF speed and configuration? Are you using trim and not just yoke inputs?

[@penguingames9994]

thanks, helps a lot

[@FlightBrothersFT]

You're welcome! Be sure to check out our other content.

[@-AlifizharM-ko1li]

How about landing with heading button . Is it true?

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Heading mode on the autopilot only holds heading. You should set the HDG bug to the runway heading, but you can't expect it to keep you on centerline.

[@-AlifizharM-ko1li]

Flight Brothers FT well done mate . Thanks you for the information!!

[@tintinmeyer1968]

What airport is this?

[@FlightBrothersFT]

KPHX, Phoenix SkyHarbor. Freeware custom scenery by MisterX, available on Xplane forums. The link is probably in the video description.

[@noidea1234100]

3:02 awful landing...hopping like a bunny...16:40 another bunny hop. Sorry dude, these landings are crap.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Thanks for the feedback. The point of the video is to improve landings, but not every landing is perfect. Practice, repetition and solid habits and procedures are the key

[@vsimulacion]

My landings are Ryanair landings. Always RIP or "You're fired!"

[@FlightBrothersFT]

We can all relate to that. Not all of them are great, but improvements make the flying all the more enjoyable!

[@Fgswift21]

I think ryanair pilots need to watch this video

[@FlightBrothersFT]

FindaFn I think their simulators are better than ours! If you can reuse the plane, it’s a great landing.....

[@AbuctingTacos]

I just let atc help line me up then I watch the lights

[@FlightBrothersFT]

That certainly works for most situations. Just watch out with airports around high terrain, default ATC has directed me into hills and mountains a lot. The PAPI lights are definitely my favorite landing aid, especially for general aviation aircraft or runways without an ILS. Happy landings!

[@ldee247]

Thanks for sharing amazing information very helpful indeed much appreciated, so at what point do you know it's safe to start deploying flaps with reference to charts so that you won't end up approaching too fast or stalling before touchdown? Can you shade a bit of light at what stage or DME flaps 1 to full flaps should be applied to say you are fully configured for approach? Also, how do you know its time to manually trim or dial your speed down on the MCP with reference to flaps deployment corresponding to speed tape on PFD? I have noticed sometimes you deploy fully configured for landing and hear the turbines stressing. What do those arrows going up or down on the PFD mean or telling you to do?puu.sh/ELIyO/f45c6445e6.png I hope I'm not asking too much information, thanks in advance.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Awesome questions! I want to give some solid answers, so I hope you don't mind waiting a little for a reply. Once I'm home on a full keyboard I'll try to answer each of those items in this thread. Check back later!

[@ldee247]

@@FlightBrothersFT Thanks for the prompt response I dont mind waiting at all that information very vital gold dust in my opinion...😊 Cheers

[@FlightBrothersFT]

So, let us tackle your questions by using the charts included in the video. Under 10'000 the speed limit is always 250kts, so we can assume you are starting at that speed. Approaching KPHX for Rwy 08 you can see on the ILS chart a two colored wedge shape where the glideslope/localizer intercept begins. On the descent profile on the bottom of the chart you can see the same indication for the glideslope. For the sake of practice, make your goal to be configured (full flaps to whatever setting you plan to use) at that point of glideslope intercept (usually 5nm out). This way you aren't wrestling to configure the airplane and slow it while also trying to stay on a narrow glideslope path. So what I might do in the last miles before the glideslope (see 3:21 in on the video for the chart) is use the level flight at 3000' to bleed off speed. Then as you fall withing safe flap speeds, start easing the flaps out. Flap speed limits are posted under the gear handle, and the red warning lines on the speed tape of the PFD will move down to show you those limits with each flap setting (These didn't show in the video I believe because replay mode doesn't catch all the datarefs). Adjust throttles to reduce and hold the VREF speed, typically between 125-150kts. Setting the VREF and planned flaps in the FMC is shown in the video. A lower stall limit is also displayed on the speed tape. The trick is to gently adjust trim and throttle at each new flap setting to hold VREF and maintain your descent exactly on the glideslope. This will only be perfected through careful practice. Trim: if you are flying manually, as I was in the video, then you will trim the aircraft until you can release the yoke. Ideally you are making little or no yoke adjustments if trimmed correctly. Throttle should be the only adjustment necessary in calm winds when trimmed perfectly. MCP speed: I used manual throttle on the video. I have never used autothrottle beyond the glideslope intercept, so you'll need to seek another source for how that might be done. You might find benefit in using the autopilot and autothrottle to help you configure the aircraft before the glideslope intercept. For example, leading up to the glidelslope intercept you might run the MCP speed down to 10kts *ABOVE* VREF and begin extending flaps. The autopilot will trim the aircraft for you as it slows and flaps extend. You could then disconnect the automated systems at the glideslope and only need to slightly reduce thrust and monitor trim. Regarding engine revving when configured, that is to be expected. The flaps generate a ton of drag and increased thrust is necessary to avoid quickly stalling. Last, I believe that is a green 'trend line' indicating that the airspeed is falling. The quicker the ship is decelerating, the longer that arrow becomes. Thanks for the great questions! I hope our answers are of some help. Disclaimer: I have not flown the Zibo in months, so these answers are mostly from memory and might not be entirely accurate. If you are really enjoying Zibo, I would recommend joining the closed Facebook group 'The ZIBO Community Group.' There are a ton of avid Zibo users there with great technical knowledge and support for you! -FlightBro Tim

[@nawazsaheb4845]

Just watch a video on Captain Joes "How to fly an ILS" video.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

@Ldee247 use the speed placards near the gear lever for your MCP Speed. Tim references this in his response. If you are 10nm out at 200 KTS flaps 1,2,5 could be selected I believe based on speed. Many don’t know 200kts is a max speed in Class B airspace unless ATC approves higher. This is also memory, I have not flow the Zibo for a few months. Just looks at the placard. At Glideslope intercept (appx 5 nm) gear down, flaps 15. Now use those placards and your FMC. Let’s say you are 190 flaps 15. Look at the flaps 20 placard. Assume it’s 175. Spin your speed down to 175 and extend flaps AS LONG AS YOU ARE BELOW the selected max flap speed. Select speed 160, flaps 30 etc etc. Continue all the way to your final vref approach speed based on the FMC data. The most important thing is that you are under the max flap speed for the flap you are ABOUT to select. Tim was right on, and also, fantastic questions. I hope I’m able to help you out as well. -FlightBro Lee

[@gamin002]

I only have x-plane 10

[@FlightBrothersFT]

That’s ok. A flight simulator is a flight simulator. The concepts in this video should help you improve your approaches and landings. Happy flying!

[@frenchatclives]

Your landing aren't very smooth at your landing you flare so much and the plane climb and then he stalls and the aircraft fall on the runway so please don't say that your landings are perfect but the rest was very interesting son thank you. I come from France. 🇨🇵

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Thanks for the comment. The idea of the video is more that stabilized approaches (and practice) are the key to perfect landings. I acknowledge mine are far from perfect, but improved dramatically after practicing stabilized approaches.

[@frenchatclives]

@@FlightBrothersFT ok thank you for your answer I didn't underwood very well the theme because dont' speak very well English and I think that since this video (one year ago) your landing are now better so I subscribe to your channel and I watch the other landing videos bye

[@Hakujoudaiii]

I’m new to x plane 11 It’s all too much to take in 💀

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Relax sir, nobody learns this overnight. Xplane is very likely the most demanding simulator on the market, with the Zibo 737 in particular using almost identical procedures to the real aircraft. If you really want to get comfortable, we suggest you train yourself the way a real pilot is trained. Grab the Cessna 172, fly patterns at a small airport. The hand flying skills of a forgiving Cessna will really help you to manage a full sized airliner. Keep in touch and be sure to check out the rest of the channel, we have lots of resources for the new sim pilot.

[@Hakujoudaiii]

Flight Brothers FT will do

[@Firefox-cr3jw]

LoL how can you not land butter after all this effort? Landing the stock 737 is the easyest thing ever

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Firefox2910 no one nails 100%.

[@editz26smithoni69]

ils

[@deutsche9025]

No more ryanair landings for me Just kidding xd

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Stabilized butter 😀

[@deutsche9025]

Dude I have a question how you know the gates for the flight 001 ?

[@FlightBrothersFT]

@@deutsche9025 take your pick! The terminals PanAm was using in the 1960s are nearly all replaced today. At the time, jetways were uncommon. Parking on the ramp and using air stairs would be the most accurate.

[@deutsche9025]

ok thanks :)

[@stefanfilewicz]

stableized approach and he bounces lol

[@FlightBrothersFT]

Filewicz lol, the approach and landing are two separate phases, but no one gets them all 100% of the time.

[@stefanfilewicz]

Flight Brothers FT correct lol

[@joyschtik]

This is so wrong in so many ways..

[@FlightBrothersFT]

It sure would be nice for you to let us know what those are.

[@AMT4245]

Oof. Probably should learn how to fly and land yourself before making videos teaching others how to do it.

[@FlightBrothersFT]

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