PERFORMANCE CAR CHALLENGE: Mustang GT vs. GR Corolla vs. Civic Type R vs. Elantra N

[@edmundscars]

What is your favorite performance car for $50,000? Let us know in the comments!

[@craigrider2116]

@@edmundscars vw golf r

[@Phantom-drift]

6MT Zupra ftw

[@abikepeddler]

1997 Mitsubishi Pajero Evolution. No doubt.

[@HarryTwatter]

A golf R

[@PEACEOUTXX1]

Golf R or used m340i

[@nicholasmatthews5989]

A great review by the crew at Edmunds. Many thanks. Regarding prices, Type R; $45,890, GR Corolla; $46,000, Mustang; $56,400, Elantra N; $35,320. Regarding the Mustang, thank you Ford for still making the Mustang and making it available with a V8 and with a manual transmission. Considering that the Mustang did not have the magneride suspension, and the tight course, it performed very well in the autocross. The big surprise for me was how the underpowered Elantra N performed in the autocross test, with beating the GR Corolla and being pretty close to that of the Type R. In my opinion, with the Elantra being the cheapest here, and by a big margin, with what it achieved it is the winner. It is terrific that there are still fantastic fun petrol cars available. Any of these cars will bring great joy to their owners. :)

[@S.Madman]

With a DCT on the Elantra it would have been an even better fight. These guys really hate Hyundai.

[@copperkeyracing6167]

​​@@S.Madmanbecause Hyundai engines are unreliable... edit: not that Honda is any better, but Honda is better at pushing issues under the rug.

[@JohnLee-db9zt]

It’s always funny how Elantra N is being compared to cars $10k+ more. Shows you just how good the Elantra is.

[@tjramsey7274]

@@S.Madman car enthusiast would never want a low power, FWD, hyundai regardless of price. and last version was very unreliable.. auto is scum along with dct. especially in a somthing like this

[@S.Madman]

@@tjramsey7274 You must hate Ferrari with their DCT? And why the hate on a zippy FWD. And what last version?..., this is still the first version.

[@barretrichardson1229]

Hot Take - looks like all 4 cars are fun, so just buy whichever one you like/whichever one you’ve got the budget to finance.

[@clintsimone]

That works too

[@mengx94]

Honda boys: "Wrong"

[@Gltokensp06]

Why Ford switched back to the Pirellis instead of the MP4S is beyond me. Pirelli must've been basically giving them away because the p-zeros are GARBAGE.

[@jerryfirman5364]

The Mustang would have done much better with 4Ss.

[@BitcoinTo100K]

Yup the performance pack used be $2500 now what $6k definitely should have 4s and mag ride for all that $$$

[@robl7532]

Thats why tires should always be the same in tests. Not a Stang owner but would love to see it on better tires also.

[@V1ralB1ack]

The mustang is such a stupid ass car.

[@robl7532]

@@V1ralB1ack lol

[@jaseongkim4485]

N is monster

[@francisbrosseau1143]

Lets all be honest here: Civic Type-R is the car here but....... F*** those dealers with the 15-20k$ markup, juste because of that that car is way overprice for what it give Mustang = great car, but..... not practical at all, its more like a week-end car, forget about it in the snow, its a terrible winter car GR Corolla = Ahahahaah!!! Terrific car fom Toyota but....... This is a track car that can't track.......Yessss the transmission overheat after 2-3 hard lap... that is terrible, terrible. See GR corolla on fire over the net lol Elantra N = yes, spec wise it is the worst, but it beat all the others cars with their biggest flaw: There is no 15-20K$ markup on them unlike the civic type-r, The car is pratical (4 doors, fwd for winter driving) unlike the mustang, The car is ready for track all day long, it wont overheat or catchfire like the corrola GR. Just to be clear I am big fan of Honda. But for me Elantra N tick all the box, he is good at everything but master of none. Elantra N is the winner

[@Michael-hx6ls]

perfectly said, really good at everything, but not the best.

[@30hours51]

it's honestly just a win win situation purely defined by financial status, no matter what EN or CTR, you will be happy with the purchase

[@ThreeDogsTwoCatsAndAWife]

I got a dual motor model Y for $37K 😂😂😂….0-60 in 4.8

[@jpchampine6992]

VW says hello! I'd take a 2024 R. More specifically, for these prices, I'll keep my MK7 GTI with full bolt ons, tune, & handling mods.

[@ThreeDogsTwoCatsAndAWife]

@@jpchampine6992 GTI/or Golf R is also a better built car to sit inside. Less boy racer. Great utility.

[@shamalabadingdong]

Elantra N goes faster than the gr corolla on their own autocross course while being down significantly on power. The elantra N has the fastest fwd production laguna seca time despite being down 40 hp to the type r. Yet the handling is put behind the gr LMAO. Maybe rename the handling section to subjective reviewer opinion. I dont know how you could argue it handles worse while being faster with less powerr

[@30hours51]

lap time does not suggest great handling, handling is a translation of cars feedback to the driver and driver's confidence pushing the car to the limit, GRC with its awd, swb and it's extremely rigid chassis makes it handles better because it is easy. Also EN is on PS4S, Corolla is on a less aggressive PS4 tires. Also every single independent track test suggest that the GR Corolla is faster than the elantra N on the track with the same tires, but let me continue. In 2024, none of these cars had tried a official lap time at Laguna Seca... But EN is an absolute performance bargain for the price of a GR86 today, recommanded my friend to get one, great car.

[@unexplainedwearenotalone3537]

​@@30hours51 check all track all drag or test max speed Elantra N is better fast if you put automatic is just smoke all them why they no bring with automatic way better so no need be ignorance if ego gr never beat Hyundai or Kia is fact so gl check yt test or track i30n vs gr nurbgring see who is King any weather and smoke failure gr AWD if you add AWD Elantra N is just be weapon so go compare Elantra N with automatic see who is faster.

[@30hours51]

@@unexplainedwearenotalone3537 damn had a stroke reading your comment the fact is EN IS FWD, where's the AWD coming from LOL and if you actually enjoy driving cars you SHOULD choose a manual and DCT is faster than manual in a straight line, and with an extra gear it has better top speed than a manual? WHATTTT SUCH A SHOCKER!!! Also GR corolla has extremely short gearing because guess what, It's a great car made for dirt roads and enjoyment at all season, I am saying this even if I don't think GRC is worth the price EN is a great car as well, but I hate it when owners like you make it look like such a egotistical car by blowing it out of proportion into a category that either doesn't matter or numbers that are misinformed. Just to make other cars look bad for no good reason Also If u wanna drag race at this price point, a Model 3 will smoke all of these cars in the video

[@afrikengunner]

@@30hours51no gr owner rn is confident pushing their car if it going to blow up... the gr also overheats on track no elabtra N has ever overheated on track EVERE!

[@Fadic4]

For the FWD record, was it an official time and was there other cars tested at the same time? I mean, the Type R holds the FWD production car record at other tracks so not sure what point that proves.

[@randallmeans9797]

I literally sold my 2019 Camaro 2ss simply because the Elantra N was significantly more fun. Elantra N making peak torque around 2k rpm is something people have to experience to understand.

[@Freestyleny]

really? the veloster N makes peak torque at 1450

[@jjuhring1]

Best Edmunds video review in a long time. Appreciate the inclusion of an Autocross test. Not many drivers track their cars, but we have hundreds of autocrossers in our area. New performance car drivers are often amazed at which cars actually perform best in that environment.

[@popsandbangs8858]

Elantra N 1 point for handling ?? Wtf this better to be biased review

[@COne-qu2pf]

Korean car no gud

[@sokratzmmf]

Poor Elantra

[@clintsimone]

Elantra N won the last time we did this test.

[@Mehrbod9]

I have both a 2023 Elantra N and a 2023 Mustang GT. Definitely, Elantra N handles way better than the GT.

[@NismoFinder]

Yeah this entire test needs driver mods, big time. Can’t be taken seriously, moving on.

[@SiCxNeMeSiS]

I got my base gen 1 coyote mustang GT for 28k brand new in 2014! It's crazy to see how expensive everything got

[@C6BlueDevil]

For anyone wanting a new GT, you are better off buying a used gen 1. You can fix anything that needs fixing and mod it to make it faster than a new one and still be left with 20k in your pocket lol.

[@rmp5s]

Cars in general...if you want anything but the most basic, base model econobox, it's WAY too easy to drop 50k+ on a car.

[@gp5.082]

In all fairness they specced the shiet out of that mustang. Base manual without many options you're low 40s.

[@C6BlueDevil]

@gp5.082 A base GT is about 45k. If you add the performance pack with no other options it brings it past 50. 😳

[@gp5.082]

@@C6BlueDevil So then don't add the performance pack lol. And the $45k you're quoting is with destination. CTR is $45k starting, + destination (but we're splitting hairs) but + the most important factor: dealer markups. Unless that's no longer a thing.

[@DTEL77]

The results are not surprising, the EN is $10k - $25K less than the others, and that's only the MSRP...real-word prices are more like $15 - $30k less. Spending more for more power will let you go faster, pretty obvious. Thing is, the EN can go straight to the track without overheating in a lap or two, or killing its OEM tires, or catching fire if you go over 85mph. (Which Toyota won't cover under warranty). The Elantra is also the only one that offers an advanced DCT transmission for those who prefer modern technology. It truly is an amazing performance car at any price, and a bargain at $35K

[@Koda9799]

“Hard to keep it collected” “squirrelly” “sideways”…in other words, way more fun!

[@brokentradgedy]

Sike...I bet the GR Corolla is funner and even the Type-R because of the insane amount of grip. Not fishtailing a heavy boat that's about to wrap around a pole.

[@joshgessinger4509]

Right lol!! Didn’t time the race track either mustang would of dominated. Nothing more fun than winning except maybe spinning hahaha

[@evoman44]

A mustang might be more fun to just hoon around in. But when it comes to a race track it will actually be the most difficult and frustrating car to race. As a Grand Turismo Veteran since the PS1 I have grown to dislike high performance RWD cars. An old friend that was a muscle car guy got frustrated with GT racing because he couldn't keep the cars on the track.

[@NinoNlkkl]

Fun for doing donuts?😅

[@hbk2233kgb]

Definitely Mustang 5.0 ❤

[@mikipavloski5239]

@@hbk2233kgb I had a mustang gt 19" and a BMW 740i 19" but EN DCT has a better sport than both, I claim that !!

[@GR4Corolla]

Driven all (+MK8 Golf R) and love all. GR was truly the most fun of the bunch hands down. For sure not the fastest either. But once you get in the twisties, the driver feel of the car is superb. Super light front end with confidence inspiring AWD system. I live in colder climates so this car checks all my boxes for needs. Has done amazing in the snow, and is too much fun!

[@MrMgh76]

The Elantra is 10k less than the Civic so is the civic that much better? I would take the Elantra the bang for buck it one of best deals out there. Side note why mention 1/4 mile track then only post 0-60 times? The 1/4 mile is better way of showing how a car accelerates than 0-60.

[@downsouthlouisiana]

The question wasn't which car is the better bargain. It was which is the better car in a specific price range.

[@JohnLee-db9zt]

@@downsouthlouisianaThat specific price range ($20k MSRP spread) is way too broad. It’s meaningless. I can get EN for under MSRP where I live, but the dealers are still asking $60k for a Type R here. I don’t know where you can get a type R near MSRP. So your argument holds no water. Of course a car costing 20k more should be faster and better handling. Just goes to show you just how god the EN is.

[@vjdfl5]

​@JohnLee-db9zt I got my type r in west palm beach at msrp the very first day I looked. It's really not that hard to find. I also lost over 10k in value on the 2 year old elantra N that I traded for it, so technically, I paid more for the Elantra. And that would have only gotten worse with more time

[@downsouthlouisiana]

@@JohnLee-db9zt you acting like I made the rules lol.

[@COne-qu2pf]

Hyundai vs honda. Hyundai cheapest and worst car to buy.

[@Aliens4ever117]

Elentra N is atill a go to for me. Thats more so because of price. The GR corolla would be the win for me over the type R. just preference. But Type R and the GR are well over 50k CDN. Closer to 60-65k. EN ive seen for 40k and below. And thats for me a huge win for an average consumer for a performance car of this price range.

[@rickbernhardt3912]

Say weight to power one more time…

[@mistersecret88]

So dumb ain't it?

[@JulianZwemer]

Civic Type R costs almost a 100 grand overhere 😮😢

[@roguedogx]

9:15 but the civic took out a cone, that's +2 seconds

[@WECanOn]

The lap in the video may not be the actual timed lap. It could be one of many of all the cars.

[@roguedogx]

@@WECanOn fair, it's really just supposed to be a nod to the AutoX community.

[@dareneaken6220]

The Elantra N "didn't quite stack up," yet the Hyundai Elantra N dominates the TCR class, winning both the Nürburgring 24 Hours and the TCR Championship.

[@MikeJones-on9vm]

TCR cars are not stock.

[@pompano_jedi172]

That's stupid because those are heavily modified cars. Also, different drivers

[@sis-l1i]

The Chinese are not trustworthy. This test has low reliability because of the Chinese.

[@DaD-xx7vr]

Bring your "N" against any of my cars, it won't be pretty. Hyundai 😂😂😂😂

[@NvSrAgE679]

Those are race cars bud.

[@blablah538]

The clumsy, awkward, unplanned commentary here shows how special channels like Savagegeese really are

[@stang-rv4pb]

No 1/4 mile run? Maybe they were worried that Toyota wouldn’t cover them if the Corolla GR catches on fire, since the speed would exceed 85 mph.

[@SuperSmoovy]

Blown out😂, there were 2 cases. How many hyundais have caught fire this year alone 😂😂😂

[@stang-rv4pb]

@@SuperSmoovy 2 cases out of less then 6000 sold. And Toyota denied the warranty, because the car computer show that at one point, the car reached 85 mph.

[@SuperSmoovy]

@@stang-rv4pb more than 11,000. And the person involved was denied because his tires were rated for 85mph or something stupid like that. There's really only 1 case people refer to because the 2nd incident involved an accident. Doesn't fit the narrative when actual facts are available.

[@neubs1969]

this comment is getting old already sick of hearing it…….

[@oTehGomez]

@@stang-rv4pb 2/5500 * 100 = 0.035% chance I think that is minuscule, plus the 2 guys that caught on fire have pretty sketchy stories. The whole 85mph thing was clearly a toyota rep copy and paste error. Nothing to be concerned. look up on google how common is a car to catch on fire.

[@martingriggs6362]

I would disagree. I have driven every car here. If we are talking fun to drive, the Hyundai and Toyota are more fun than the other 2. If you are talking numbers, and fun to drive then yes the Honda, and the Mustang are maybe more well rounded. If I buy a performance car, I want it to be involving and fun. The rest of it you can have.

[@sis-l1i]

The Chinese are not trustworthy. This test has low reliability because of the Chinese.

[@k.w.m-q6n]

clearly this corrolla warranty left the chat

[@bokiNYC]

😂😂👍

[@John-jf8nh]

😂😂😂

[@BigBear--]

People rarely mention this fact, that the ~$10K That you save on the Elantra N and then theoretically spend it on upgrades to try and close the performance gap, will never close the quality/reliability/usability gap between it and the Type-R. Especially for long term owners.

[@tonyayala1695]

All the Elantra N haters are trying to find a reason to not like it, saying it’s ugly. Literally never heard anyone say that before until they can’t make another reason to hate it

[@CaliSteve169]

That Hyundai clearly lost. Far inferior to the Civic.

[@taelee347]

Great video. The N punches above its weight for the money. CTR launches very well for FWD car, and GRC could do better as its the only AWD car here. That's the only advantage that GRC has over CTR - if you guys did 1/4 mi instead of 0-60 I bet the difference between CTR and GRC would have been even greater in flavor of CTR. GRC is still great and I know its not a drag car but it is not very impressive in terms of 0-60 vs mid-2000s EVOs/STIs pulling 5 seconds flat (or better in some cases).

[@Braeserker]

Why does no one ever put the Elantra N DCT in these comparisons?!

[@CTF33]

Because it would win and all the honda fan boys would be crying that it's an auto.

[@ph4z0n18]

@@Braeserker because comparing a manual transmission to an automatic is not a fair comparison

[@ArthaxtaDaVince777]

​​@@CTF33 says the extra chromosome Hyundai fangirl

[@CTF33]

See I told you, right on que the honda fan boy is crying "ITS NOT FAIR" Hyundai made a faster car than the Hype R, Waaaaa😢😭🤧

[@파워에이드-p1q]

@@CTF33 in your dream

[@jp23x]

Youll void the toyota warranty if they catch you going a mile over the speed limit. Good luck.

[@malcolmar]

Thank you for this comparison. We are eating good right now with enthusiast focused working man sports cars and I am taking none of it for granted. I hope to own a GR Corolla soon. I have an FK8 Honda Civic Type R and I am never selling that car.

[@rmp5s]

Rented an FK8 through Turo when I was in Texas a while back...great car! AMAZING manual transmission.

[@joshgessinger4509]

@@malcolmar sorry but sports cars don’t have 4 doors sedans do. Sports sedan would be the correct terminology. Wouldn’t even call the mustang a sport car but its the closest thing here.

[@sonydominates]

I have a 16 Mustang GT, and I absolutely love it and plan to keep it forever. Stock Mustang suspension is wallowy, but a few mods and good tires really wakes it up in the corners. I've been wanting a GR Corolla for a while, and I might pull the trigger when the refreshed model comes out. Good to see the GRC brings a lot of smiles. Really enjoyable comparison!!

[@commbubba1990]

Your GR didn't catch on fire?!?!

[@milagosthomas9141]

Literally only 2 have.

[@Soh90]

Cars catch on fire all the time. I literally had 2 coworkers who had their cars burn down to the ground. One had a 2021 Acura TLX and the other a Mercedes Benz AMG. I think it was a CLS or whatever the bigger 4 door coupe model is. But let a GR Corolla or Tesla or Hyundai catch on fire and people act like it’s breaking news in the history of the ICE.

[@roshanviscoro4136]

Haha😂 lol . Such an original comment

[@shiftmotorsports9803]

Or blow the rear diff!

[@AngelValdovinos]

Why would it

[@robl7532]

Yes I own one of these and might be biased, but I am so glad all of these options exist today. All are amazing options and such amazing experiences for 2024. Great video, even better cars.

[@afrikengunner]

That Elantra should be over 300hp to compete... 310 wi 255 tyres

[@honshin23]

You can tune it to match the price difference.

[@HarryTwatter]

Hopefully the next gen gets the 2.5L

[@afrikengunner]

@@honshin23 voids warranty

[@Awsme]

The Elantra is over 300hp with octane learning that’s built into the car, the 276 rated hp is with 87 fuel

[@afrikengunner]

@@Awsme not for the manual

[@jaymac4448]

Man, I wish I was able to go into a dealership to purchase a $56k car with only $50k and they let me leave with it.

[@JacesOwnWorld]

Try more like $65k+ for the CTR 🤣🤣🤣

[@ruebzrandomreactionz3488]

@@JacesOwnWorldI mean at that price point I’d rather buy a Nissan Z any day. You could almost get the Nismo. With out the mark ups of course.

[@karmahunden]

RIP Kona N. It would've killed this test: it's equally as quick as a manual EN, faster with NGS on, and tucks itself perfectly on sharp turns presented in an autox scenario. No only that, it's the funniest of all of these to drive!!!

[@jmmch3358]

But the stiffness of its suspension its terrible even in the softest setting, a much better choice is the Elantra N

[@eptdy]

Center of gravity is trash compared to the EN.

[@karmahunden]

@@eptdy high center of gravity affects high speed turn and grip on big track. It actually helps it rotate in short tracks like an autox.

[@karmahunden]

@@jmmch3358 yes, something that can affect it on a large track that also has different inclines. On a small track, it compensates for the high center of gravity. Bmw engineers aint dumb; the KN on a softer suspension setting and a high center of gravity would equate to a jello-like wobbly ride. You would have to lower it AND THEN loosen the suspention.

[@Beyondthebox11]

Awesome video loved all the comparisons. It would’ve been really cool if you would’ve added something that was $50,000 used to the mix to see how it held up with all the rest of the cars.

[@chrissimmons9969]

Being an owner of a Type R of course I am biased. That still doesn't take away the fact that I love seeing comparisons like this. I haven't tracked my CTR yet but have seen plenty of videos from other CTR on the track that can hold their own with other far more capable sports cars. Front wheel drive 4 poppers are not supposed to be able to hang......

[@LafemmebearMusic]

Sigh, language matters. Being bias LITERALLY I mean LITERALLY according to the English language means it takes away from your ability to be impartial… like that’s what biases mean… 😂 words are hard I get it.

[@chrissimmons9969]

@@LafemmebearMusic but just because I am unapologetically bias doesn't mean the CTR isn't an objectively great car.

[@chefdred1111]

I think 2024 ecoboost mustang should be added in the mix. I know a lot of you wouldn’t agree but HP wise its at the same level (315hp) of the competition and its lighter than the GT. Plus it will be the cheapest amongst the line up, I got mine for 26k plus only last year.

[@MaxPwr176]

I've driven an ecoboost hpp in anger, and I agree it's a great car

[@joshualewis393]

They should have stated that the 5.0 starts at ~$42k and what options the one they had, had. Even with the GT package, its right at $50k. So not that far off from the Type R or GR.

[@S.Madman]

The mark ups on the type-R put it above on price. The Elantra N with a DCT would have killed the Civic, and on an endurance race it would not have overheated like the Civic.

[@joshualewis393]

@S.Madman Markups are ridiculous. Anytime who pays that should be ashamed.

[@GTR003121]

The right car won, the FL5 is obscenely good.

[@NBABY-J]

quickest fwd car you ever tested? 5.5 sec ? lol. but once again no EN dct. all 3 cars 38 sec on the lap. EN punching above it's class. cheapest and 'less power" good video.

[@reyfuentes4572]

Gotta be fair unfortunately

[@TuscaniGT]

It's down on power, it's down on price, but we won't run the DCT because it wouldn't be fair..... this is like every video ever with the Elantra N. Showing 6 sec 0-60 here when stock DCT has seen 4.8. The 6sp variant still always gets praised but always falls just a tiny bit short of cars costing 10K+ more. 10K+ cheaper but somehow not fair to use the DCT, it's pretty funny almost like there's a NDA for having to make the Type R #1 no matter what, no matter by how little.

[@anthonymastino483]

Enjoy the auto GR Corolla vs DCT EN videos coming soon 😉

[@Symphoniics]

@@reyfuentes4572Does anyone care about transmission “fairness” on the street, drag strip, or track IRL? No! If someone made that excuse, they’d get laughed at. But here online where everyone is a Care Bear, it’s unfair 🤷

[@TuscaniGT]

@@anthonymastino483 As a lifelong manual fanboy myself I can honestly say that the DCT is still very fun in this car, I know because my wife owns one and it's the first auto that would almost make me give up the stick it's just that much quicker. I love changing my own gears but the DCT is amazing in this car for the price which is still much cheaper compared to the others. To me it's only fair to put the best performing variation of the N against these cars.

[@ravenstylea2]

I feel like Ford missed an opportunity to improve the handling of the new Mustang GT. Not many are willing or have the means to pay nearly 70k for a Dark Horse.

[@joshgessinger4509]

Why bother the C8 is around $70g right lol!! Mustang also gained weight still rather have the mustang than the other 3 though.

[@DaD-xx7vr]

Yea over 1g on the skid pad is bad 😂😂😂

[@eptdy]

Why do that when they can let the owners do that with modifications?

[@rickbernhardt3912]

The term is power to weight

[@MrSqeeky1000]

Great comparison, i would have liked to see points given for pricing as well. Pricing is always important for majority of consumers. Keep up the good work.

[@JohnLee-db9zt]

Especially when there s $20k difference. 😂 this comparison is a farce.

[@uludak8468]

GR corolla is on 💥🔥

[@Kahless00]

People love to complain about the mustang gts suspension being too soft. Gt stands for Grand touring, is supposed to be soft. It's not a track/performance car. That's just what the call the v8

[@Marbind]

You forgot that this one has the performance package 😉

[@latino914]

Type R ⭐

[@craigrider2116]

You missed the VW golf r

[@youcangetsum6871]

Yup that or gti

[@commonduck10]

No manual

[@brokentradgedy]

No one wants to see an automatic egg

[@craigrider2116]

You guys the ‘24 golf r has the manual…

[@coolfart7092]

best video for performance review ive seen for these cars

[@will5150]

no GTI?

[@StrongerThanEver84]

Type R.... for the win 🙌🏻. I own a 2023 Rallye Red FL5 too! And I absolutely LOVEEEEEEE this car. I typically end up trading my cars every 4 years for something different but this will be the 1st car I ever keep. For me, that says alot. Car is absolutely phenomenal. Especially with the right mods to tweak the power and looks it's muaaaah (chefs kiss 🤌). Seeing all the videos like this saying the same thing about the Type R just reassures me I made the right pick.

[@uptoolayte1]

My favorite performance car under 50k (with tax credit) is the 2024 tesla model 3 performance. The low end torque is insane and it is so planted on the street. I know EVs are supposed to be soulless and boring but Im having a blast and ive owned many ehnthusiast cars.

[@AB-coyote]

Mustang definitely had a handicap with those Tires.

[@sonydominates]

I agree, but to be fair, stock Mustang suspension is more for comfort. Add stiffer springs and maybe some sway bars, and it'll be really solid in the corners.

[@AB-coyote]

@@sonydominates you aren’t wrong but tires make a tremendous difference. They already admitted that those tires were somewhat cooked before the test. A set of 285 square tires work well on those cars even with the stock suspension.

[@joshgessinger4509]

Mustang way more fun whens a front wheel drive ever been more fun than rear wheel with 485 hp. The mustang would of crushed the other 3 in time around the race track why wasn’t it timed. Like to see the other 3 leave a burnout spinning aint winning but its grinning lol!!

[@superleggera1900]

It would be cool to see this series carried up into more and more expensive price ranges, and taking the winner of the previous group to compete with the next. Next group could be 70 or 80k, BMW M2, Ct4-V Blackwing, C8 Corvette, Porsche Cayman, etc.

[@Drako_93550]

Mustang over the other Rice bowls any day!!!

[@gaivoron]

GT for me!

[@frankbjr1250]

Mr. weight to power has his winner already picked before the test started. I love the Type R (dc2) but that GT platform is an undeniable bargain - whipple and tires and call it a day

[@mistersecret88]

Yes. Couldn't let the mustang win. Even hit a cone

[@ayushmalpeddi2793]

In a straight line yes. Around corners meh. Camaro, BRZ, 2 series, Supra, etc are all much better

[@keauntaewright8006]

The mustang on better tires would have won every event. The most capable car there

[@rickross5233]

Not octane learned and no dct… what a waste of testing

[@Marbind]

It has been proving many times by different outlets including edmunds. That octane learning doesn't help the EN 6MT overcome the CTR.

[@NPazdernik]

Maybe not but that 6 second 0-60 is just criminal ​@@Marbind

[@Marbind]

@@NPazdernik to be fair. The EN 6mt had been always slower than the FL5 in terms of quarter mile or 0-60.

[@copperkeyracing6167]

I feel like the weighting of the autocross shouldn't be equal to the other categories because most people aren't willing to void their warranty so they can autocross it. If the weighting is the same, then the price should also be the same and you can include modifications to all of them so that they are all at the $56k level with mods, or without as in the Mustang case. If the weighting is half (out of 2pts, not out of 4) then the Mustang and GRC are tied and the CTR is in 3rd place... or, you could just say it's a 3-way tie because it really is.

[@billshoe22191]

Just crazy that a Mustang GT is now $57k. No longer a V8 car that everyday people can afford. Shame on Ford for raising the price on essentially a last gen car to this absurd price

[@joshgessinger4509]

@@billshoe22191 ya the C8 corvette isn’t much more money lol!!

[@pompano_jedi172]

Yeah. GTs used to be super affordable

[@tomfromeyer6230]

You can get a GT in the 40ks 🙄

[@dpajc056]

Im supposed to love the rally car the most but being real Mustang no 1 for sure. RWD, V8, #2 GT86 RWD #3 civic most reliable #4 Hyundai just because corolla sucks the most #5 corolla coz the (3 cyl only!) engine will blow up randomly and they void the warranty if you go over 85mph and seriously that much money for a corolla?!

[@t.motive]

Type Raaawrrr All day long!!

[@backnu]

So you guys don't have a budget for a real track anymore? Got it! So you rig a test that eliminates any HP advantage? I got that too. So you appeal to your base. Got it 🌈

[@amw2822]

I wanted to like the comparison, but I can’t just get into these two. Sorry guys I’ve tried a few times now.

[@JohnLee-db9zt]

Comparing a $35k car to a $50k car is amateurish at best.

[@ChaseElliottBand]

For about $550 you can throw a Scorcher GT piggyback on the Elantra N with some colder range spark plugs like the HKS M45XL, run it on Sport + mode, and gain 45hp and 60ftlbs, dropping the 0-60 down to 5.35 seconds and putting in the number 2 spot in the leader board easy AND keep your powertrain warranty. Literally the best performance car deal of the last 20yrs except for the Fiesta ST but with better reliability.

[@Marbind]

Until Hyundai scan the ECU log for overboost flags and bye bye warranty claim.

[@Turntablist_Mk2]

Best feature of the Elantra is once your inside you don't have to look at it.

[@JCTiggs1]

A 2024 Golf R would have been a great addition to this comparison review.

[@User.Joshua]

I am Toyota nut, but I'd go with the Civic Type R with the Cup 2 tires.

[@AnthonyParrilloRI]

Frickin awesome review.

[@TheBreakfastLover]

9 points: Civic Type R and Mustang GT 8 points: GR Corolla 4 points: Elantra N ...there I ruined it for you

[@mistersecret88]

You must be fun at parties

[@justinbecker4772]

Consider therapy

[@NlghtShifter]

These cars straight line performance wise are considered 'slow' nowadays after Hyundai released the I5N and Tesla the 2024 M3P (U.S. version). You would have to invest some serious money to get an Elantra N into the 10's constantly without having to put in wrench time every couple runs. Jason did an 11.65 after hybrid turbo and running meth and some other upgrades ... slicks and on the track (not on the street which isn't prepped and with legal tires mind you) and still didn't beat the previous model M3P. Golf R would be easier but costs more... would have to swap out the Turbo most likely to get into the 10's which will fuXor your warranty on these cars. Tesla M3P (U.S.) for 47900 (after tax credit and no dealer markups lol) is the best bang for the buck now. Avg. of 10.8s in the quarter and 2.7 sec (w/rollout) 0 - 60mph anywhere really... no need for drag radials/slicks or prep :P There is no other *new stock car that can touch those #'s for under 50k!

[@Marbind]

Why tesla offers self driving options? Because people fall sleep while driving them. Boring has hell.

[@SteveC1]

Great review, thanks for creating this content. Nice that the Porsche Experience Center LA let you use their track as well!

[@GERONIMO326]

The Type R has NO weakness. It's the most practical, has the most room, fantastic gas mileage, low cost of ownership, the best reliability, the best inputs (steering, shifter, and chassis feel) also has the best sport bucket seats probably ever made, and greatest manual shifter ever made. It's arguably the greatest car ever made under 45kish dollars. It and the 6th Gen Camaro SS 1LE are the best performance cars/do it all cars ever made under 45k dollars. If you need a back seat, get the CTR, if not SS 1LE. But man, the CTR IS SPECIAL. It's literally a FWD Porsche Cayman, LITERALLY.

[@davothegreat9990]

Fwd is its weakness. And too slow off the line.

[@GERONIMO326]

@davothegreat9990 fwd has no impact on the dynamics or characteristics in the handling. There is zero understeer, zero torque steer, and one of the best handling vehicles ever engineered. Blistering 100+k dollars vehicles on the Nurburgring, and other tracks across America. It rotates beautifully as if it was rwd, and pulls you out of the corners as if it was awd. Is it a straight line, drag car that's going to get you an insane 1/4 time out of the box? No.

[@davothegreat9990]

@GERONIMO326 85% of people don't track their car. Elantra N isn't far behind and the ctr is definitely not 10k better car. It's overpriced and too big.

[@GERONIMO326]

@davothegreat9990 then you obviously haven't driven one. The CTR is lighter than the Elantra N, they weigh roughly the same depending if it's manual or auto. The CTR has the best sport bucket seats ever made, best mechanical manual shifter ever, handles like it's on rails, made in JAPAN, fit and finish is LEAGUES ahead of every other car in it's segment, the Elantra N isn't even in the same ballpark. 0 to 60 and 1/4 mile times don't tell the tale. If you are a true driving enthusiast, the CTR is one the best cars ever made. If you're not, you make comments such as yourself. The CTR is worth EVERY penny it's priced at.

[@davothegreat9990]

@@GERONIMO326 ctr is now overpriced for what it is. Should be quicker and now oversized. Yes, driven one. The 3000rpm limiter on launch is annoying.

[@tomfromeyer6230]

So the mustang won with data. But you picked another car just because you wanted it to win 🙄...

[@Marbind]

How so? The only category that won was acceleration. Sucked in the others. Results were expected.

[@tomfromeyer6230]

@@Marbind the mustang did the best in times in every category but one.

[@Lehpurdzzz]

230i or m240i missing from this

[@sunchon9229]

Just curious, why do you guys don't use N with dct? Is there a particular reason for it?

[@TuscaniGT]

The consensus is that it wouldn’t be fair. V8 vs a 4 banger, awd/rwd vs fwd, 10k+ price difference are all fair just can’t do auto vs manual because reasons….

[@Symphoniics]

Putting the Elantra N behind the Mustang GT in handling is regarded

[@travisflowers]

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[@joshgessinger4509]

Why the mustangs faster everywhere 😂

[@Symphoniics]

@@joshgessinger4509 Speed and handling are not the same thing. The Mustang is faster but the EN very obviously handles better

[@pompano_jedi172]

I drive a type r in autocross my buddy drives an elantra n. Both cars are pretty good. Some days I beat him, some days he beats me. I would race in an elantra N but I would not want to own it just because I don't trust hyundai reliability even though they've been making pretty reliable cars for a while now.

[@KuyaArbee]

13:10! I'm happy that TOYOTA didn't just chase numbers, lap times... they understand in the REAL WORLD! you want to have fun driving the car...

[@michaelsantiago7093]

My guess before watching the video. 1. Type R 2. GR 3.. Mustang 4. Elantra

[@simphiwendlovu7]

So all most cars here are of advantage with all wheel drive and quicker on paper, but failed to pick the Elantra DCT, but the manual instead ??😂😂😂

[@copperkeyracing6167]

The conclusion of the video is that it's really a 3way tie. The Mustang wins against the CTR in 3rd handling/fun category... even without the magnaride, but then the magnaride makes it even better but for even more money. If that happens, then the Mustang wins and the CTR and GRC are tied... but then, if the CTR is better priced than the Mustang, then the CTR wins... but then, if the CTR is better priced so it wins, the GRC is even better priced (GRC core with performance package, $8k less than CTR) so it wins. You basically need a whole other category which takes into account bang for your buck, and clearly the GRC would pull up to the CTR and Mustang... which means 3way tie... but, then there's the dealer issue/factor... there is NO WAY you are going to be treated like any decent human being at any Honda dealer, and Toyota is generally the better dealer experience... so, because of the dealer experience, I feel the GRC wins this beating the others out by a nose... but it's basically a 3way tie. In final, I WOULD NEVER STEP FOOT IN A HONDA/ACURA DEALER WITH MY EXPERIENCE! So to me, the CTR loses to all of them, even a Hyundai.

[@mikipavloski5239]

EN dct has a much better result !!

[@Symphoniics]

@@anthonymastino483It is not a crime… Most super cars are automatics because the performance is superior. I have driven manual most of my life but I switched to auto when I got my EN and I have no regrets

[@anthonymastino483]

@@Symphoniics correct… when someone wants to buy an auto, they get an auto. But 90% of the people that are interested in this class of car are interested in the manuals. If you buy any of these cars trying to flex straight line speed, you’re not worth trying to explain it to

[@brandonanderson4117]

Not really, the DCT is still fun and faster

[@Symphoniics]

@@anthonymastino483 As I said in another comment, that's not true. 90% is exaggerated. And hey, I cross-shopped the CTR and EN DCT. I ultimately chose the EN because the infotainment is better, exhaust is way more fun, and the suspension is better for daily driving. I chose the DCT specifically because it matches the CTR's performance better than the manual, and the DCT it an absolute hoot. Super fast shifts and awesome sounds on upshift.

[@mikipavloski5239]

@@anthonymastino483 I was on a test drive for the Honda Type R and Corolla GR, the Elantra N DCT is better in my opinion, and I believe that only the Type R will be DCT and it would be better !!

[@MarMPB]

Fun test! But no time penalty on the Civic Type R Autocross run for hitting a cone?

[@MaxPwr176]

Right! Surprised, I had to look this far down to find this.

[@bretth1558]

the EN 0-60 is way off somehow in every test they do. The average owner will get about 5.2 to 5.5, the DCT can do high 4s stock.

[@kylemonteiro7143]

Mustang with boosted v8 enough said, of course I’m bias I only own 8 cyl or higher. Would never drive a 4cyl junker

[@Marbind]

It would post a worse 0-60 and track lap. The car isn't balanced, too much power very little agility.

[@kylemonteiro7143]

@@Marbind a gt500 has a better track time what are you saying

[@kylemonteiro7143]

Plus the gt350 is the track car which is NA like you talking about but boost always helps

[@Marbind]

@@kylemonteiro7143 The car reviewed here is a mustang gt. ;)

[@kylemonteiro7143]

@@Marbind I know I was using the gt500 as a example that a boosted gt would be a lot better than na like you said

[@TheLogitech91]

Time should have been added on the Civic for hitting a cone.

[@ayushmalpeddi2793]

The mustang time genuinely shocked me. Was definitely expecting it to put a time 39 time given it's extra weight

[@kfx3907]

Why Americans always bash Korean products and biased towards the Japanese? This is nonsense and ridiculous.

[@Happy013-l5r]

Weeboo

[@jamieleanderson]

Love the idea of bringing the cheaper car to the comparison. Shows us the consumers how much more we're actually getting.

[@msmarshall854]

Honda Civic HYBRID is a mere half (0.5) second slower than these hot hatches.. maybe it's just as fun ??????? maybe ? ? ?

[@COne-qu2pf]

It's also 500 lbs heavier

[@robertMSP19]

@@COne-qu2pf True! Not 500 but more than 300 to 350! (which is not insubstantial!) :D

[@COne-qu2pf]

@@robertMSP19 thats still yuge

[@atflores85]

Performance reviews should always be on the same tire. I understand it’s based on dealer options but anyone that buys a performance car with the intention of going to the track will most likely upgrade this immediately. Still if this proves anything it really shows how far up the Elantra N punches.

[@anthonymastino483]

Can’t wait to see 8,000 comments from Elantra guys moaning that the tested car doesn’t have the dct 😂

[@afrikengunner]

The dct is faster but also he did not launch that well enough first 6s en I hve seen usually 5.5 to 5.8

[@TuscaniGT]

What do you expect, it's a comparison none the less. Should we moan about the silly octane learning as well even if it really does exist and makes a reasonable difference? Should we moan that it's fwd vs rwd and awd? Is that fair? Is the price fair? At this point, after all these comparisons using the 6sp N and refusing to use the DCT because it's somehow not fair I'm thinking it's more about keeping Honda at the #1 spot even if it's only by a tenth of a second.

[@anthonymastino483]

@@afrikengunner I’m sure you could find a dragy screen shot of all 4 cars going faster to 60. It’s a test conducted on a single day by a single driver though

[@anthonymastino483]

@@TuscaniGT Weird, both the GRC and Mustang have auto options for 2025 and I haven’t seen either community whine

[@brandonanderson4117]

But it wasn’t a DCT

[@MrScoobieman]

I’m extremely happy with my decision. I picked the Integra type S and I have one now for one month.

[@User77989]

I love the manuals. I will at least say that lol

[@signpost5596]

Instead of the Mustang GT, maybe the Ecoboost with the HPP is a better choice for this comparison? After all, it has a turbo 4 making roughly the same amount of power as the other cars here and supposed to be a sharper handler than the GT.

[@arctictruck10]

Can't wait for the GR Corolla automatic transmission

[@naveenthemachine]

Prepare to be very disappointed 😂 Toyotas not known for overachieving. They always overhype everything and underperform

[@arctictruck10]

@@naveenthemachine naw if you look at the reviews of the automatic GR Yaris, it cooks the manual in 0-60 times and a full second around the race track.

[@naveenthemachine]

@@arctictruck10 but GR Yaris isn’t sold here. It doesn’t count. Toyota not known for making good automatics. They almost always suck. Nice try

[@arctictruck10]

@@naveenthemachine swing and a miss... it has the same engine and transmission my guy. Do you eat salad with a spoon?

[@SME5724]

@@naveenthemachine why do you own a Toyota automatic then ? … have you ever been to a track ? lol this guy is a weirdo