Performance, Expandability & Power Consumption of MacPro 2012 & 2013 - Does it make any sense Part 2

[@NexorikMason]

I swear your the best Mac KZbinr that covers unsupported stuff i love this

[@JessiesFlying]

@@NexorikMason thank you so much! 😊

[@tbjinvestments]

Watching this on my 2012 MBP 13" i5, after using OCLP to upgrade from Catalina to Ventura today. Thanks for all your previous videos, which helped me make this happen!

[@arranmc182]

Honestly I tested my Mid 2012 MBP and found that Modcern Linux makes this thing faster than Modern MacOS I have Ubuntu MATE OS installed and its faster than any version of Mac OS I have run on it.

[@johnwilson8582]

It will run Sonoma just fine too. I put an SSD and 16gb of ram in mine and it works surprisingly well.

[@arranmc182]

@@johnwilson8582 still slower than running Linux does does work crazy well for its age, shame apple did not think to sell copies of the OS to people on old hardware and only do free OS updates for supported macs

[@mvrck-pb5pk]

Again a very nice video, Jessie. Still having a nice humming MP mid-2012. My personal Best Buy ever since 2012. Hope I’ll be able to extent its lifespan a few more years using OCLP. Cheers

[@JessiesFlying]

@@mvrck-pb5pk stay tuned for the next video then!

[@Tru-Luv-is-2-Giv]

Still rocking my 2010 MP, RX580, 128ram, NVMe's running the latest Pro Tools. Handles everything I throw at it. Thank you Jesse. You are truly a blessing to all of us.

[@JessiesFlying]

@@Tru-Luv-is-2-Giv 🚀😬

[@TzahiShahak]

Thank you Jessie. What a great video. Can’t wait to see the expandability video. Thank you for your great support of the unsupported Macs community. You’re truly the best. Keep up the amazing work! ❤

[@JessiesFlying]

@@TzahiShahak 😊

[@passiverytnutzer3350]

so much work went into that video. Thank you very much for everything!

[@JessiesFlying]

@@passiverytnutzer3350 ☺️

[@dmug]

I appreciate you doing this, I sorta got into this comparing the 2013 vs a m1 mini. The most bonkers thing I received people profession the 6 core cpu being better than the 12 just because of a 30% clock speed over 2x the core count.

[@arranmc182]

I'm still running a Mid 2012 Macbook Pro zero issues in 2024 put Linux "Ubuntu MATE" on it popped in an SSD, 16GB RAM & used an adapter to install a AC WiFi card form a newer Macbook Air and the thing runs perfect for what I use it for

[@MrSascha70]

Hallo Jessie, das ist wieder ein tolles Video. Ich bin gespannt auf die Erweiterungsmöglichkeiten des MacPro 2012 in Teil 2a 🙂

[@JessiesFlying]

@@MrSascha70 Danke! ☺️

[@Guanaalex]

Was ganz toll funktioniert ist der Austausch des USB 1 Boards mit einem USB 2 board auf dem Mainboard. Eigentlich Plug & Play mit kleiner Modifikation und ein paar Teilen von Alibaba.

[@darrenhankner5282]

you should cover the 2019 Mac Pro. I plan to buy one on eBay $1500 to $2000. the last of the great expandable Mac Pro.

[@JessiesFlying]

@@darrenhankner5282 yeah, but still quite pricey 😩

[@djbabyboi]

I’ve also seen the 2019 Mac Pro for that price. Wondering if it’s a real listing and not fake

[@macgamer1973]

I can wait to find a mac pro 2019 500-1000 in couple years. The 2019 MacBook pro and mac pro are the macs i’ll buy. An thank to xcode and real basic I can write my own programs. Don't need apple or other crest apps for me

[@JyothiPrakash-g5u]

Nice Info,Looking for next video Thanks

[@filipr6070]

Another great video, Jessie! Thanks for the useful info. 👍👍👍👍👍

[@peterscheepers5780]

Hallo Jessie, great video again. I have a couple of pre 2012 Mac’s running Monterey and if one dies not care about the maps not working these run great with OCLP. Now I don’t really use these as daily drivers though, I use a 27” iMac 2014 for that with an i5 and 48 GB memory running of an external NVME SSD on USB3 which I subjectively found to be a bit faster in praxis than my 6 Core 🎉MacPro 2013 with 64 GB, D500 and 1 TB NVME. Anyway I love the 5K display.

[@BenedictChrysosthomos]

Da ich kein eigenes Kernkraftwerk besitze, verwende ich meine PowerMac G4 und Mac Pro 3,1 nur noch als Dekoration. Für alles andere müssen mein MacMini M1, MacBook Air M2, iPad Pro M4 und hoffentlich ab nächster Woche eine Vision Pro herhalten. Habe meinen Stromverbrauch so mehr als halbiert.

[@JessiesFlying]

@@BenedictChrysosthomos das ist wohl wahr 😂

[@drx1xym154]

I suppose one has to wonder why the German government decided to shut down the remaining reactors. France made no such mistake. Strange times!

[@johnvaleanbaily246]

Yup, I'm still using a 5,3 and apart from one piece of software (latest) Capture One, works just fine for me... the Trash Can was a waste of time for me... having been used to the diversity of the 5,3 its expandability, storage and card slots.

[@macgamer1973]

13:14 with the intel macs you can dual boot, which can't be done with silicon macs. So install Monterey for eGpu useage, other for Sonoma for use without the egpu.41:32 you must keep the original SSD, otherwise you can still Windows 10. I brought a OWC SSD, tried to install windows 10 with no go.

[@JessiesFlying]

@@macgamer1973 thx for the info!

[@BorisaComputers]

running an m1 mac mini and intel 2014 mac mini on solar panels, they are very good with power

[@rrcoster]

Still using Mac Pro 5'1 2012 with opencore huge help and few upgrade such as USB 3.0 and graphics card

[@BorisaComputers]

2014 mac mini running 14.3.1 perfectly. iMac G4 20" running 10.5.8 still works and still is workable. clients 2011 macs running 11.7.10 with an SSD all good. Mac Pro 2009 running 11.7.10 with newer video card all good. These things can be used if you know what you are doing and removed all the cloud crap. I personally have the 2020 M1 with 16Gb RAM on 14.5 and its all good

[@clivesaunders5576]

nice one!

[@NetColemanDrummer]

Hi Jessie, great video, really! But….. there is a but (like one more thing), i follow all the OCLP on my 2012 Mac Pro (2x3,46, nvme and 128 gb ram) and i was very happy but a game changer is install Linux, the baby really fly now!

[@MrCoords]

At work I was hanging on to my old MacPro 5,1 (2010). It's performance was great but because of the dated OS, I eventually had to bite the bullet.The videocard in the MacPro was the nail in it's coffin. It did not support Metal...

[@JessiesFlying]

@@MrCoords you could’ve easily upgraded the video card…?

[@The-Weekend-Warrior]

BTW, the AMD FirePro D300/D500/D700 DO support Metal and OpenGL 4.3. I don't know why you say they don't...

[@macgamer1973]

Don't support the newer one. It supports metal 1-2 not 3

[@The-Weekend-Warrior]

@@macgamer1973 I'm not sure about that. What do you need 3 for? I'm on Monterey and mine is running everything just fine... I'm doing Logic mainly though...

[@JessiesFlying]

@@The-Weekend-Warrior just check maps app, Apple MapKit requires newer Metal

[@RCTUN748]

Even though I have an M1 Max, my Mac Pro 5,1 still works well for me. I generally use the laptop only when I'm traveling or moving around; at home, I barely use it. So yes, the MP 5,1 is slower than the M1 Max, but honestly, it's not intolerably slow-it's pretty manageable. I can also share what I do with my MP 5,1. I'm a full-stack developer working on front-end (Angular), back-end (Node, PHP, Python), and AI with Hugging Face, and I use Docker for these development tasks. Surprisingly, this "old" computer still keeps up with the latest industry standards, and it handles software like Adobe quite well too. So, is it still functioning? Absolutely. Currently, my MP 5,1 is equipped with macOS Monterey, X5690 x 2, an RX6600XT, 128 GB ECC, M.2 x 2, 3 HDDs, 1 SSD, updated Wifi/Bluetooth, and USB 3. I feel like it could keep going unless it decides to quit one day. However, I must mention, if you're developing AI, you can only use the CPU for computations, as the MPS part obviously doesn't support the GPUs used in setups like OpenCore. Oh, and about whether this "old" computer is fast enough? I can give you a rough idea. When I run routine, small-scale, and less demanding training tasks for my RAG on the MP 5,1 using the CPU, it performs at full speed. The training speed is roughly equivalent to a cloud server with 2 to 4 vCPUs. It's an interesting comparison, though not very scientific-just something to keep in mind. Lastly, I have to say, in 2024, it's really not worth spending money to tinker with it, and I wouldn't encourage it either. But for me, I just genuinely enjoy working on it. I like how well it still performs, and I'm not too concerned about speed. Plus, the large memory capacity of this old guy is actually quite useful. The fact that OpenCore even allows it to be upgraded to 256 GB is pretty fascinating.

[@JessiesFlying]

@@RCTUN748 absolutely, thanks for the insights

[@The-Weekend-Warrior]

I have a 2013 Mac Pro as a daily driver... stuffed with storage and ram (64GB)... the M1 Mac mini is sadly not a match in that regard :(

[@macgamer1973]

One I don't like about apple m1, if it break ill have to take it to apple. We all know apple charge a lot to fix your computer. Also you can get hold of part for m series computers. Because I would like backups of my Mac pro 2010 logic board in case it dies one day

[@stephencawker1565]

Jimmy!...Your Trashcan is on fire!....lmao..all stop..lol. I love my 6.1....

[@capitanknightfilms3986]

Awesome indeph analysis! Thank you jessy. I guess is time we all consider to move on to the mac mini,!!! Lets start hacking the mac mini then for maximun performance👌hell yeah😅

[@JessiesFlying]

@@capitanknightfilms3986 🚀😂

[@starsk13]

Cool video, super detailed, big work! thanks ! I use a 2015 MBP and a 2010 Mac Pro 6-core with OpenCore, Monterey, NVMe, and an RX 6600 XT. I get these numbers: Geekbench single: 552 / Multi: 2718. I prefer comparing it to a Mac Studio M2 Max which gets: single: 2684 / Multi: 14853 ! But the RX 6600 XT competes: MacPro 6600XT Geekbench Metal: 102963 vs M2 Max GPU: 129976!! Unfortunately, this Mac Pro is stuck with Monterey with the RX 6600 XT even though it runs without any problems. The lack of fast USB is a big problem - I have to choose between PCI NVMe, SSD PCI, and USB card as I have too many things inside... The major issue is the computing time when transcoding Canon Raw video to ProRes, due to the old weak CPU... My 2010 has been rock solid since I bought it in 2011 ! Incredible computer. But for me, it's time to upgrade... I am planning to buy an M2 Max Mac Studio, or wait for the M4, we'll see in September... I will keep my Mac Pro forever as an archive machine and for some Windows games... Love this guy :)

[@JessiesFlying]

@@starsk13 thx for all the info!

[@friendofthechannel-i6i]

he's giving up all the secrets!!

[@lpastorino]

Hi Jessie, another great video! A question: why do you always talk about Mac Pro 2012 if the Mac Pro 2010 is almost the same? I have one (Mid 2010 2 x 2.66 GHz 6 core Xeon, 64Gb ram) running seamlessly Ventura (I don't know why, but the Sonoma shows a forbidden sign after boot on both Mac Pro and MacBook Pro 2012). Why do you not recommend installing it on my Mac Pro? Thank you for this and all your other videos!

[@JessiesFlying]

@@lpastorino I just call it Mac Pro 2012 and it’s the same for Mac Pro 2010 or even a flashed Mac Pro 4,1 from 2009 👍

[@charoui]

You can set the playback speed at 1,25x and thank me later.. great content btw

[@retrovox]

I changed out my Mac Pro 5,1 single Xeon X5670 to a Xeon L5630 and installed AMD Radeon Pro WX4100 to keep power consumption to a minimum. Here are my findings... Idle power consumption: 104.4W KZbin 4K Video Playback: 142.6W Sleep: 5.2W

[@JessiesFlying]

@@retrovox thx for the info 👍🚀

[@samdavidh]

It always feels weird for the 6,1 to be considered 'obsolete' considering it was only discontinued in like 2017 and was the most powerful offering of the time. Apple really had no idea what they were doing with it.

[@t4thfavor1212]

The 6,1 gets destroyed by a dual CPU 5,1 with a modern Nvidia gpu like a 2080 or whatever, especially if you need to a lot of RAM or some sort of PCIe card, etc.

[@TruenorthmtGod]

If it does what you want you’re good. Still using 2012 for audio

[@The-Weekend-Warrior]

When you say "Apple used a triple channel memory controller", that's misleading. INTEL made that decision, not Apple. I guess they couldn't have used a quad channel memory bus with the Xeons of that era. The later Xeons in the 2013 Mac Pro allowed for more memory channels. The chipset is usually done by the CPU manufacturer, not the OEM.

[@JessiesFlying]

@@The-Weekend-Warrior correct, that’s why I just said Apple “used” a triple channel controller, not “made” ☝️

[@The-Weekend-Warrior]

@@JessiesFlying I get it, however, when you say "Apple used", it kind of implies that they maybe had the option to use something else... "Apple could only use" or "The Xeons in the 2012 Mac Pro only support" would have been accurate...

[@StardustOneReviews]

A MBA from 2015 with the Core i7 2.2 GHz has more than 1000 in Geekbench single core and about 2000 in multi core with MacOS Ventura 13.7. It does not make much sense to me to still use these older Mac Pros considering the mediocre single core performance.

[@bsdooby]

Cool videos! How much power does your iMac 27" (2012) draw? I use my iMac 27" (2009) w/ High Sierra as a "monitor". Sadly a feature that is only had w/ that H/W, macOS combo :/

[@JessiesFlying]

@@bsdooby that would be worth finding out… 🤔

[@johnwilson8582]

Shame it wasn’t the D700 gpus on the 2013 model you tested.

[@JessiesFlying]

@@johnwilson8582 I didn’t buy the D700 to avoid them breaking down

[@jolladevices]

But also the Mac mini M2 8GB... it's entering some promo here and I got one for 540 euros. I am not leaving the Mac Pro 6.1 but I try it, I am not sure the total System Memory will be enough for video editing 4K.

[@JessiesFlying]

@@jolladevices at least it’s not enough for Apple AI 😩

[@AlexZhur2]

Thanks for such a detailed comparison, great job. I wanted to clarify one point: I have a Mac Pro 2012, I installed an RX6800 video card with firmware in it. Everything works great with Monterey. Will this video card work on Sonoma OS (after installation with Open Core)?

[@JessiesFlying]

@@AlexZhur2 nope, there are no graphic drivers available beyond Monterey… 😩

[@vmystikilv]

Considering the mac pro trash can is still supported by apple (at last for the last few months it has as of writing this) I think its automatic that its still worth it if you can get it for the right price.

[@stephencawker1565]

last thing Jessie..theres an article that proves the 2687w is better than the 12 core 2697..it explians that clock speed...3,4ghz..8 cores...has lower latency, and rules..over cores,..2.7ghz..12.cores...,in this case!

[@gameofflife]

Did they make sense at all ?

[@dx-xb]

Id love to see this with a M4 mac mini

[@mcdjchandler]

Thanks for the great info. My 5,1 has a RX570 Armour 8gb, and I'm wondering if that graphics card can handle more than Big Sur or Monterey and be stable. I think I had Ventura running and it was sluggish.

[@JessiesFlying]

@@mcdjchandler my Mac Pro 2012 with RX580 handles sequoia very well, so 🚀

[@mcdjchandler]

@ I only needed Big Sur for Ableton 12, but we’ll see. I’ll keep it humming as long as possible. 96gb ram and 12 cores at 3.46ghz and a nice RME PCIe card.

[@binomair9326]

Hello, Still no chance to used AMD radeon 6900XT in macpro with sonoma ??????

[@JessiesFlying]

@@binomair9326 nope, unfortunately only in Monterey

[@francocoello5002]

I install amd 6800 XT Radeon on my Mac 2012 5,1

[@francocoello5002]

There is a place in Poland you can get those graphic cards , they are great , and they send the cards ready to be plug in and play !! Macvideocards ( something like that ) I forgot 😂

[@MrSoy_]

I like your haircut!

[@JessiesFlying]

@@MrSoy_ ☺️

[@Jesus_Saves_1_Corinthians_15]

Hi Jessie... I have a 2010 Mac Pro running Catalina and I'm finally looking to upgrade after all these years. What's the best stable version that you recommend? I have this: Mac Pro (Mid 2010) Processor 2 x 3.46 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon Memory 128 GB 1333 MHz DDR3 Startup Disk Catalina SSD Graphics Radeon RX 580 8 GB

[@JessiesFlying]

@@Jesus_Saves_1_Corinthians_15 most solid macOS is Monterey, but my Mac Pro runs perfectly fine with latest Sonoma

[@Jesus_Saves_1_Corinthians_15]

@@JessiesFlying ah thanks. You don't happen to have a step by step tut for sonoma? Does bluetooth work?

[@JessiesFlying]

@@Jesus_Saves_1_Corinthians_15 absolutely: Easiest Tutorial to instal macOS Sonoma on UNSUPPORTED MACs! kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZ7an5h8lL6meaM

[@Jesus_Saves_1_Corinthians_15]

@@JessiesFlying Hey Jesse I tried it today but didn't get the boot screen when holding down option... Do I need to change graphic card?

[@JessiesFlying]

@@Jesus_Saves_1_Corinthians_15 check this out: NO Boot Selector on MacPro with PC Graphic Card? kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmHXgKB6aLZ4pdk

[@computerenthusiast402]

How to you fix Wifi and Bluetooth ?….What are some alternatives ?

[@JessiesFlying]

@@computerenthusiast402 what’s the problem?

[@stephencawker1565]

Nice Work Jessie,,Thanks about telling a cheap and simple way, to hotrod 5.1..love that rx 580 game mode trick..so good too now!..match that gpu up, with the sonnet mc fiver!...And bammmm...lol..2600 read etc...love that old girl!.the 300$ card,,doubles speed..someone is giving me a double cpu 5.1 for a 512 gb ss Polaris...lol.So if I spend 500$. look out...lol

[@djlollyreal]

hi can i use a cheese grater 2010 wth the latest open core?

[@JessiesFlying]

Absolutely! 👍

[@AristoclesPlaton]

The best GPU card for the 5,1 with Pixlas mod is the Radeon RX 6900 XT ROG Strix water cooled. You will need to cut a hole in the case. Not so simple.

[@JessiesFlying]

@@AristoclesPlaton yes, but I wanted to focus on the unmodded Mac Pro

[@carlosfilho9404]

@@JessiesFlying I am running the Radeon RX 5700 XT without any mods on my Mac Pro 5,1. Great card and way better than the 580. Highly recommend it.

[@JessiesFlying]

@@carlosfilho9404 not if you want a newer macOS than Monterey

[@macgamer1973]

Yes they still making mac games for intel mac vs that silicon chip junk

[@johnwaldmann5222]

If apple sold current tech at the profit margins of 2003 Mac’s then apple silicon without an upgrade path would make sense.

[@logiclust]

my trashcan is running ubuntu studio and not doing much. my cheese grater 5,1 is still my workhorse if i feel like working. i have an m2 pro mini that i watch tv with. Also have a 2012 mini server now running ubuntu and hosting a bunch of containers. The last mac I still use is a 12 year old macbook pro that's just as good as any of the ones that work keeps giving me. kinda sick of apple tbh (total understatement).

[@o0OmrmusicO0o]

i have installed sonoma on a imac 2017 but i have a bug nobody is talking about.. its related to usb.. if i plug a usb stick/drive in (thunderbolt) then the imac detects it.. but when i resated then its not showing up no where.. i have to unplug it and plug in again... can somebody help?

[@JessiesFlying]

@@o0OmrmusicO0o when you have done what?

[@o0OmrmusicO0o]

@@JessiesFlying nothing special, if i want to connect/plugin a usb drive (external ssd) that the imac detects it but when i restart the imac (still pluged in) then the usb drive is gone.. sorry for my bad english

[@JessiesFlying]

@@o0OmrmusicO0o that might be something how the USB drivers are implemented by OpenCore, so I think you might just have to unplug the USB before booting

[@o0OmrmusicO0o]

@@JessiesFlying what if you want to boot from that drive?

[@JessiesFlying]

@@o0OmrmusicO0o that should work when it is inserted already when you switch it on

[@MrZar1988]

My mac Pro 5.1 geekbenck 6 metal score 69535

[@JessiesFlying]

@@MrZar1988 great, what GPU?

[@MrZar1988]

@@JessiesFlying I mounted a Radeon VII Pro, but I don't know why it's very fast in everything except on FCPX when exporting it's slower than an rx 580

[@MrZar1988]

@@JessiesFlying I tried with montery and also sequoia 15.0.1 but it seems the same. however, with da Vinci resolve a 1080 60p movie at over 150fps exports very quickly

[@JessiesFlying]

@@MrZar1988 thx!

[@jonjohnson2844]

I hope the next Mac Pro resembles an air fryer

[@JessiesFlying]

@@jonjohnson2844 😈

[@Mybrain007]

The Mac Towers are the T-34's of Apple..lolol

[@commops106]

Buying either of these is ill advised with windows dropping Mac support these will be very long in the tooth after oct 25 you will be stuck running unsupported and unsecured software. Mac is dropping intel like they did with power pc support I have a 2019 MBP that will be “obsolete” in 1-2 years. I would only buy a M2-3 Mac at this point.

[@stephencawker1565]

so WD Black 850 x...1 tb with heatsink...64 gbs memory.and 3.4ghz cpu..and trashcan is Maxed .right to the max!can't go faster than that combination ok...its a simple formula..and you can have rx580 working 100%,,with some tinkering,,so thats good too!

[@stephencawker1565]

Oh ya!..my xeon e5 v2 2687 W is definitely the sweet spot on the 6.1,,that talk about to hot!...150watts!..don,t go there,,,is bull...its the best one..makes sense!...its the big w..workstation..3.4 ghz..4.0 turbo, went from 2667 3.3ghz so I know1..its 5% cooler then 2667 v2..its faster too.....912 single.....6509 write. Geekbench 5..I knew it!,but I tried very cpu, thats how I know!...lmao,except 3.0 1680...never tried that one,,but 3,3...and 3.4 8 core are better anyway

[@yt-1161]

and the 5.1 2009 Mac pro would draw around 1kilo Watt 😂😂

[@JessiesFlying]

@@yt-1161 🤣

[@stephencawker1565]

To bad the big w..didnt hit 1002 read...arrrrr..lol..its too bad its such a headache!,,using an external gpu on the trashcan..to much money buying rozorcore box..plus rx 580,and then you have too mcgiver the hell out of it!...lol..So the 700,s don't start on fire!..15 mins in to Call of Duty!..Crossfire Blazing!..with stock thermal Paste..from 2013...lmao

[@emotionalintelligence776]

Lets just be honset like Uncle Sam. The only reason to use either the 5, 1 or 6, 1 Mac Pro is bc of nostalgia. Any other reasoning is sweet little lies youre telling yourself while have nightmares about the new M4 Mac mini, Lol.

[@JessiesFlying]

@@emotionalintelligence776 😈

[@stephencawker1565]

the 500,s and 700,s must have started on fire!..lmao.bootcamp windows 10...lol. crossfire..old paste...and no Mac fan control!..cant you guys seeing this happen to some kid!..all wrapped out in his game..not knowing about fan Control!...lmao...it would man..she,d start on fire!..turn off first?...Shed be smoking!..ive seen a burnt 700 once on eBay...lmao

[@insaneiaq]

The 4-5,1 Mac Pro is not a computer I'd advise anyone actually pay for. At most, this is a $80 computer in 2024 and buying one on eBay for several hundred dollars is simply a terrible purchase. Doesn't matter the spec, they are just really old PCs with very dated technology (USB 2.0, slow DDR3, SATA II etc). The 6,1 is a slightly different deal. Still a much better machine, but again, I'd say keep it under $200 for one of those as the CPUs and RAM are extremely cheap to upgrade to top spec. I Still use my 6,1 Mac Pros quite a bit, but I haven't touched my cMP in years.

[@mattstone8878]

I agree. The M1 Mac Mini just destroys the old Mac Pros in every way. 😅

[@bsment]

Definitiv nicht!! ​@@mattstone8878

[@meumau-x8v]

All the times u say typical for apple not support something, U have to remember the truth that it is the same in the PC world. And there u never know why one pc support and another one does not

[@stephencawker1565]

I love telling everyone the 2687 w is best..I had to see for myself..im getting1585 read...1490 write..amourpousdisktest.with 64gbs OEM apple memory,2 700,s,and a 512gb OEM..m2 Apple ss Polaris ssd,,no shit!.that is the fastest trashcan Boys!.only 2tb ss Polaris ssd, can make it go faster..then it will hit 1610 or so read..thats what the WD Black 850x 1tb with heatsink got...with the 3.7 1660 6 core..cool ehhhh!the 2 big w.s are best...lol