Most reasonable upgrades for the Mac Pro 2009-2012 - Does it make any sense Part 2a

[@SteveAaron]

I'm still heavily using my Mac Pro 5,1 every single day, despite heaving much more powerful Mac's and Hackintosh (i9-14900K / RX 6900 XT). It is fully upgraded to the max (with thunderbolt) and still very powerful for music production. I even edit videos with DaVinci Studio 19, with no issues, And it's very nicely running Sequoia, a regular PC RX-580 and a boot screen To be honest, it is still my goto computer for just about everything.

[@skip741x3]

I use my 5,1 all the time but for web surfing: overkill for sure! and for home theater playbck...12 core dual 5960's ,nvme,rx570 and 96gb ram...mutibooting with win 11 and 4 other mac os systems up to sonoma which I use the most...I just havent gotten around to sequoia yet... Plenty fast and able to handle so many things at once effortlessly, I still love it....Ive had so many underpowered computers, lacking in ram, or in cpu or both, that this one is a treat! Ive never even come close to making it sweat.

[@AristoclesPlaton]

Me too. We have three in this house, upgraded with RX 6800 GPUs flashed for mac & with Pixlas mod. But with this we cannot go higher than Mojave, which is still good enough for everything we do, including Windows 11 Pro for gaming.

[@gibbynla]

Can you point to a site where to get your hackintosh?

[@AristoclesPlaton]

@@gibbynla It is not a Hackintosh. We are talking about the Mac Pro 5,1 that is no longer supported by Apple, but with OCLP works just fine on the latest macOS.

[@gibbynla]

@@AristoclesPlaton I didn't ask you, I asked the person who has a hackintosh about his setup that is NOT a 5,1 MAC.

[@adamhutton4165]

Awesome as always, Jessie. I'm running several mid-2010 MacPro 5,1s running latest OS and OCLP. I want to make a note to other mid-2010 MacPro 5,1s guys: An unpowered (dumb) 2.0 4-port hub doesn't work anymore with 2.0.2 OCLP. I had to use a 2007 extended keyboard as the hub. This is the 2007 thin metal one Jessie shows in the video. I plug in my regular wired USB keyboard (white 2003 extended keyboard) and my wired Apple mouse into the side ports of the 2007 keyboard then plug the 2007 keyboard into the front mac port then restart. Only the regular keyboard (white 2003 extended keyboard) and mouse work with this set up and the keyboard I'm using as the hub (2007 thin metal one) does NOT work as a keyboard. It ONLY works as a hub. In addition, you cannot use the white 2003 extended keyboard as your hub. This is the one with the USB ports at the top instead of the sides. It will not work as your hub. Only the 2007 thin metal one Jessie shows in the video works as a hub. Maybe another dumb 2.0 4-port hub will work for you but none of mine work anymore -- only the set up I have described. I hope this helps someone.

[@JessiesFlying]

@@adamhutton4165 thx for the info 👍

[@TzahiShahak]

Thank you so much Jessie. Thanks for all the efforts you are putting into this channel and the content. Very much appreciated. Your guides helped extend the life of my MP5,1 and enjoy all new MacOS releases. You are the best!

[@JessiesFlying]

@@TzahiShahak 😊🚀

[@bla2030]

I have not had the time to complete the video, but this is exactly what I needed. My two old macs failed somehow lately, and this video is spot on. God bless you.

[@JessiesFlying]

@@bla2030 👍😬

[@bla2030]

@@JessiesFlying Jessie, I have a strange (for me) problem. I have the very same graphics cards as in the video. When I revert root patches and swap old card (Ati HD5770) to new one (Ati RX580), the macpro 5.1 boots, loads the OS, and at half the process the graphics card spins off completely (as is shuts down) and the monitor show the "no signal" message. The computer stays on but the gfx card seems dead. Any ideas what is the problem? Also, is it possible to manually revert KDK to a previous version?

[@JessiesFlying]

@@bla2030 did you check that the GPU is in game mode? Did you try a different output like HDMI?

[@bla2030]

@@JessiesFlying thanks for the reply. I checked both what you say. In game mode, it keeps restarting with nothing on screen (total black).Also, If I connect via displayport (instead of hdmi), it doesnot stop dead (fans do not spin off), but it stays running with nothing on screen (all black).

[@JessiesFlying]

@@bla2030 NVRAM reset doesn't help either?

[@Tru-Luv-is-2-Giv]

Thank you Jesse for your hard work. Truly appreciated.😉

[@JessiesFlying]

@@Tru-Luv-is-2-Giv ☺️

[@vb7200]

I booted my 5,1 up again today for the first time in a while and was surprised to see a root patch for USB 1.1 support in Sonoma. You still would need a hub to apply the patches but I'm glad I don't need to have my mouse plugged into my keyboard all the time. I wonder when they added it, I haven't booted into MacOS for quite some time.

[@filipr6070]

Your info is always very usefull, Jessie. 👍 However at this moment I stay with Monterey because of the AVX/AVX2 issues with some graphics 3D applications and my printer doesn't work on higher systems.

[@torbjornlord]

Thank you wizard Jessie !!

[@JessiesFlying]

🤣

[@paristo]

Good information for the expectations for the SSD changes via port. I have old Power Mac G5 (the second latest version) that I am going to take in use at some point. Its legacy PPC processor of course limits to use some old OS X 10.5 "Leopard" but the machine is so good looking that it is one of those decoration/museum pieces you put in one of your 27 rooms in home. So when you wander to the room, you might get a moment to boot one up and go to memory lane to see what there was before new. I have total Admiration / Hate relationship with Apple devices. Some parts in some machines looks great, and works great. But lot of things not. I am writing this on Macbook Pro Early 2011 13" model. Fully upgraded (16GB, new battery, SSD, repasted thermals and all) and running Linux. This works wonderfully as long I keep the amount of KZbin tabs under 20, otherwise temperature raises and fans starts. Two weeks ago I updated one 27" iMac Late 2013 to OS X 15.2 "Sequoia". Installation went fine, just needed to do root patch twice as after installation the GPU drivers went off, and graphics were limited to something around 15-20 FPS. But after patching it twice (or once after installation, I dont' rememeber now) the drivers got in and all is smooth again. I am planning to install 15.2 as well on the iMac 23" Late 2009 model, but I think I have a hardware problem in it, as it loses the WiFi chip on Linux. And I think before that it did so as well on the OS X 10.13 "High Sierra" that was last official version to it. I am not sure, but I think the Mojave with OLP started to do that WiFi dropping, as the WiFi symbol just disappeared on top menu and didn't come back until booting couple times. So it wasn't always back after first reboot. I haven't found any other having similar problem, but I think it is just hardware failing by temperature or something, as it can work for days and then one day just middle of use go off. I think it is a crime that Apple doesn't support old hardware better. Sure you can leave out the T2 chip features and so on, but let the people get latest OS X officially for apps support. It is annoying that beautiful OS X versions like Lion and Leopard are left to past for new graphical designs, but if you could at least get to use your hardware it would be worth it all!

[@jeken28]

261 / 5,000 Thanks for this video! I've been an idiot. I have bought several 580's and thought they were all broken. With your video, everything is obvious and self-evident. However, I should mention that I haven't been losing sleep over the problem, but it has annoyed me. Thanks again.

[@JessiesFlying]

sharing appreciated ;-)

[@macretro_techvintage]

Great video ! I use actually a MacPro 4.1 flashed to 5.1. the configuration of my machine is : Xeon 5690 (6 cores) at 3.46GHz single CPU - 32GB of ram at 1333Mhz - AMD Radeon RX580 with 4Gb of ram (but I just find a version with 8Gb for a good price) and a 500Gb samsung 970 Evo plus on PCIe card and a PCIe card with usb 3.0 ports. All upgrade (except the ram) is second hand, so I have a good price for all items. My MacPro is a second hand too. This machine working very well, I made with it my little video production for my channel, using for the net, etc. Very good machine. I was installed Monterey on my MacPro with OpenCore Legacy Patcher. A little trick for the problem with USB for the keyboard and mouse with installation and using Opencore legacy Patcher : if you have a Apple Cinema Display, this monitor can use like a Hub USB, personnally I have the 30 inch model, and I have connect my keyboard and my mouse on, and it's working perfectly !

[@jrstrong]

I didn't see nvme mentioned, and after I 'pulled' my nvme adapter from my former PC, I bought a 1gb WD Black nvme drive for $47, and connected it to a PCI lane in my 2010 cMP! With this. 96ram and a 12core xeon 3.33 CPU, its 'on par' with some early M1's!

[@macretro_techvintage]

@@jrstrong Wah ! So great ! :)

[@TheChinoTube]

Hi Jessie, a quick hello from France. Just to let you know that I have almost the same configuration as you with my Mac Pro 5.1 RX580 and that I had problems with the display of wallpapers and screensavers with Sequoia and OLP 2.0.1. However, I have no problems with my 2009 and 2011 iMacs (with GPU Metal upgrade Quadro K2100M), and my MacBook Pro 2012. Fortunately OLP 2.0.2 has just been released, and I couldn't wait for your future video to find out if it would solve my problem. So I just tested it, and everything is fine now, and I feel like the overall display rendering is better, a little more vibrant. Thanks for your videos and all your explanations.

[@JessiesFlying]

@@TheChinoTube already testing 🚀

[@vincentpolisi]

Watching this on a 2010 5,1 running macOS Sequioa 15.1 Developer Beta thanks to OCLP 2.0.1. Running like a CHAMPION!

[@Locky2701]

Hello Jessie Talking about the hub when installing Big Sur and up, I never used the hub since I connected to the USB 3.0 card,it works. I have 2 mid 2012 Mac Pro with 6 Cores and 12 Cores and I installed from Big Sur to Sequoia plus Linux Mint too. By the way,Apple Music app doesn't work properly,my 2019 Mac Pro doesn't have any issues with it. Great video Jessie

[@JessiesFlying]

@@Locky2701 thx for the info 👍

[@ItsMeSFSPlayerAndRoblox]

Monterey and ventura seems to have the same RAM usage. Monterey is unsupported so i look foward to upgrade to ventura.

[@ItsMeSFSPlayerAndRoblox]

I clean reset windows 10 because the performance was very slow than the other time i used it.

[@crisomelido]

Este canal es extraoridnaario!.... UN saludo desde Chile... Los fanaticos del MacPro 5.1 te agradecemos tu tremendo trabajo en cada uno de los videos...

[@JessiesFlying]

greetings back!

[@skipbreakfast]

I'm from New Jersey and had to play this video at 1.5x speed so I could understand it. :D

[@JessiesFlying]

@@skipbreakfast 😂

[@Locky2701]

Hahaha,your Mac is really slow that's why you speed up to 1.5 😂😂

[@besserschreiben9481]

Some years ago I purchased a cheap red USB 3 card (two ports) for macOS Sierra or High Sierra, because external Firewire drives for backup are hard to find. Installing the card was complicated, because I had to get power from some ATA adapter. However, the USB 3 card caused nothing but trouble and corrupted my external hard drive. Finally I gave up, and Mojave did no longer support that card. I never dared to test the card with Windows 7 or 10, because I was anxious to get more corrupted drives. The card is still installed, but I just ignore it.

[@marcevo3540]

Great video, thank you ! Mac Pro 5.1, I'm running 2 M.2 NVMe one for windows one for OSX in 2 PCI slots. The one next to the 16X slot is quite tight I put some tape its touching the RX 580 case but it fits and it works perfectly.

[@artysanmobile]

Making sense or not is up to each owner, but I have to say, the Mac Pro 4,1-5,1 is a piece of art, a true revolution in 2009, and I found modding it to be a rewarding activity. Clearly I’m not alone as there is such a large market of available hardware and info for the model. Apple made damned sure to never give their customers such flexibility again. I used mine professionally without fear until 2021 by planning my upgrades carefully. After 13 years, it is still an impressive piece of machinery, built purposely for tool-free upkeep. I only abandoned it for purposes of weight and size as much of my work is done on the road. I can see a future where it is displayed behind glass in my home.

[@JessiesFlying]

@@artysanmobile I totally agree! 👍

[@valramos2003]

I still use MacPro 3,1 for photo editing using pre- subscription Lightroom.

[@RobertTruppa]

being an owner of a 2009 Macpro 4 core 3.46 Ghz,I have had lottsa troubles to upgrade to even Big sur even with the dongle. I need to swap the Graphics card to a 5770 metal or newer and install Sonoma for around $250.00 or more for all the xtra parts. However getting a 2012 cMP 12 or even 6 cores has a lot more omph and has already the correct Graphics cards and the updated WIFI card for less than $300 and keep all my hard drives...

[@TimHamper-i4w]

Thank you Jesse this is amazing

[@JessiesFlying]

@@TimHamper-i4w 👍🚀

[@vitorsousa5951]

Problem of the wallpaper: The solution is to go into Mission Control, add a space and delete your default space. This solves the problem!

[@JessiesFlying]

@@vitorsousa5951 thx for the info! 🚀

[@FREZINO]

great video. Thank you

[@thegr8nate]

1st one here 😅 been waiting on the video. Thank you Jesse.

[@JessiesFlying]

🚀

[@froschfreak1699]

I used my 5,1 until the M1 released. I upgraded it to the 3,4 ghz 12 core cpu and a RX 580 and ssd and it was a great an solid machine. Since every Silicon based Macbook destroys it this heavy and power consuming beast makes no mire sense for me.

[@GLOBALO-NORGE]

Hello I have a question if Mac Power G5 can also be upgraded to Sonoma? All videos are on Mac pro 2009-2012 nice to see you

[@JessiesFlying]

@@GLOBALO-NORGE nope as it doesn’t have Intel chips

[@mikepxg6406]

Great job. Thank you.

[@JessiesFlying]

@@mikepxg6406 you’re welcome!

[@Cinefilo_Celuloide]

Hello, excellent as always, I have a question I installed SEQUOIA on my Mac Pro Trashcan but when doing Mirroring with my iPhone 12 Pro Max with IOS 18, I don't know why it doesn't let me advance from a specific point, when I try to do it and it asks me to put the password on my iPhone I put it but it doesn't let me advance 😟

[@nohavename6983]

Only mac with Hardware T2 Chip support iPhone Mirroring.

[@Cinefilo_Celuloide]

@@nohavename6983 thanks 😱

[@Cinefilo_Celuloide]

@@nohavename6983 At some point the Opencore team will do something to make it work on teams without T2

[@rrcoster]

Best money every spent years ago on Mac Pro 5.1 2012. Been my daily driver for many years and now with opencore and few upgrades like ssd usb.30 and graphics card i'm hope get quite few more years out of it before have look at different options

[@JessiesFlying]

@@rrcoster 🚀

[@starsk13]

Nice video, thanks. My 5.1 is running Monterey with a RX6600XT witch is for me the best video card for this computer in terms of Power/speed/price... Unfortunately, it means my 5.1 is stuck forever with Monterey. I don't want to downgrade Gpu with an RX580 in order to upgrade the OS...

[@paiaria]

Hi Jessie, as always thanks for all your work and information that you share with us. I have an old Mac Pro (2009) and I'm wondering what is the best solution to keep it alive. I installed a Metal compatible ghraphic card (Geforce GTX 680 4Gb), USB 3.0 hub on PCI-Express, disconnected the internal bluetooth receiver and plugged and external one on the USB3.0 hub, installed a new SSD on PCI Express card... what else... that's basically all. Is it enogh in you opinion? What OS do you suggest for my Mac? Thanks a lot for your suggestions. ps. a curiosity out of the blue... on the old El Capitan OS I can see and use the SSD on the PCI-Express, but when the system go to sleep it is automatically unmounted... is that normal? Can I install the new OS in this SSD? Thanks again!

[@JessiesFlying]

@@paiaria that might be a system behavior of El Capitan, I’m not sure. The only upgrade option would be to go with a RX580 as NVIDIA support is not very good

[@YoutubeToolsEasySend]

thx bro for all

[@JessiesFlying]

@@KZbinToolsEasySend 👍

[@johnnyknap]

Excellent video especially the trick to get the EFI boot screen with a USB drive . I have a ssd in the Sata drive and one in the pci express drive . Is it best to install Mac OS on the pci drive? Also my wireless mouse is a bit intermittent using Sonoma. Also seems to be a problem with a wired mouse. Is this a bug that might be fixed with sequoia I wonder? Many thanks for all your videos going to install sequoia on my Mac Pro 5.1 Sapphire 580 .

[@JessiesFlying]

@@johnnyknap I would recommend PCIe

[@nikosnastas]

Please make one Video for mac pro 5.1 Update from ventura to sonoma with opencore without Lose data Apps ect like normal macos update

[@JessiesFlying]

@@nikosnastas you can find that here: Tips & Tricks to install macOS 15 Sequoia on UNSUPPORTED MACs! kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6mmkKN5opyjsKM

[@Frank290578]

I upgraded to mac pro 2019 16core a few days ago 😀 its super

[@AlexBaylymusic]

Hi would the last card you showed work with a uad Apollo with thunderbolt adapter.

[@JessiesFlying]

I have no idea, maybe ask that on Discord...?

[@AlexBaylymusic]

@@JessiesFlying ok

[@AlexBaylymusic]

Good video thanks

[@Cinefilo_Celuloide]

Hello, a question, have you tried to install on a MacBook Pro 2017? Because I have a problem when I already press the EFI boot to enter the installation before formatting the disk, it asks me to connect a keyboard and a mouse to the computer or it recognizes the keyboard or mouse of the MacBook and the truth is that I have already placed via bluetooth mouse and keyboard and it never recognizes them

[@JessiesFlying]

@@Cinefilo_Celuloide are you sure it’s 2017? That issue should only happen in older Macs where you need a USB 2.0 hub and USB keyboard and mouse…

[@Cinefilo_Celuloide]

@@JessiesFlying Of course brother lol I'm very sure, the truth is I don't know what's going on this is very strange

[@JessiesFlying]

@@Cinefilo_Celuloide that’s really strange, did you already ask on Discord?

[@macgamer1973]

6:46 AMD 5770 came out in 2010. Vega 56 and 644 are for Big Sur and up.13:19 Spin HD 9 TB for 100:)

[@vitorsousa5951]

Good morning Jessie, On my macpro 5.1 from 2010, the live button on photos doesn't work, I did it on my macbook pro from 2017 14.3 and there's no problem, you can test, thank you, Victor

[@JessiesFlying]

@@vitorsousa5951 🤔

[@christagchurchbelize9668]

You are just awesome! I have learned a lot by watching your videos. I have Mac Pro 2.1 from 2007, is there any use for it?

[@JessiesFlying]

other than doing retro stuff I don't think so... even MacPro3,1 is a little behind with only 4 CPU cores in Sequoia

[@eljutre]

Hi Jessy!, just a question, the adapter card to put the ssd on the pcie port of the mac pro can be any adapter card?, or it needs an specific chip set?, because I try one and it didn't work, it does not find any hard drives even after I pull out all the others hard drives that I had in the mac.

[@JessiesFlying]

@@eljutre as far as I know it can be any, but check the ultimate Mac Pro cheese grater upgrade guide from Greg Grant for more tested boards

[@starsk13]

Can you make a video like this, reviewing all gpu available for the 5.1 ? :)

[@JessiesFlying]

@@starsk13 unfortunately I only have this one

[@gibbynla]

Hey Jessie, I had to go back down to High Sierra to get a license to work, and after I wiped the drive and reinstalled HS and zapped the pram, no installed bootup works. FYI the HS bootup works externally for my MBPro 2011. Called place where I got the used Mac Pro 5,1 and they have no clue either. Any ideas for a remedy? I'm this 🤏close to just buying the cheapest used 5,1 I can find and just putting my upgrades into it. Any info appreciated.

[@JessiesFlying]

@@gibbynla what if you start with CMD+R into recovery?

[@gibbynla]

@@JessiesFlying will try

[@gibbynla]

Hey Jessie, I was able to get into recovery with the Monterey bootup, but not the High Sierra bootup. I am having it reinstall Monterey, should this work?

[@JessiesFlying]

@@gibbynla yes if you still booted EFI boot before

[@Bushidounohana]

What an excellent, comprehensive video, kudos! Apologies if you mention it elsewhere and I missed it-what adapter are you using to use the Cinema Display? I have an old Thunderbolt Display that I’d love to put to work with my Mac Pro 4,1 flashed 5,1!

[@JessiesFlying]

@@Bushidounohana it’s not the Thunderbolt Display but the Display port display, so it’s just a mini display port to display port cable…

[@Bushidounohana]

@@JessiesFlying ah-therein may lie my problem, then! Such a beautiful display too soon “obsolete”! But again, brilliant video, thank you!

[@macgamer1973]

to connect a Apple Thunderbolt Display you need thee PCI Titian Bridge card to connect it-kzbin.info/www/bejne/haG1gXuIeLl_faM

[@JyothiPrakash-g5u]

Nice Information Jessie, I love this MacPro 5.1 and have done all modifications(CPU 5690/Graphics card) ,works great,I am unable to Install any macOS on NVME on PCIE slot4,During installation suddenly drive disappears,What I have to do?Also pl share USB 3.0 card info (both)

[@JessiesFlying]

USB card info is in the description in the video (ULANSEN)... my installation on NVMe was without any problems - did you try slot 1 or 2?

[@JyothiPrakash-g5u]

@@JessiesFlying Thanks for reply ,its on 1,I will keep trying will update once after successful

[@13lobos]

Would you need to revert the root patches before upgrading from a Radeon VII to a 6900XT?

[@JessiesFlying]

yes, but those GPUs only work with Monterey

[@SteveAaron]

Navi 21 GPU's are only supported up to Monterey. "Maybe" in the future, but not yet. Stick to a RX-580 if you want to install anything beyond Monterey.

[@benmuetsch]

@@JessiesFlying Radeon VII works also w/ OCLP and Ventura / Sonoma / Sequioa as they're Vega based.

[@vitorsousa5951]

Hi Jessie, I upgraded my 15'' Macbook Pro 14.3, everything is ok

[@laszlocsikos189]

Sorry for writing here, but somehow it is related. I bought a second hand iMac 27" mid 2011 for my sister, and just noticed that it's running Catalina with dosdude Catalina patcher. I wanted to reinstall high Sierra from a bootable usb but it's impossible, it looks like there is no recovery partition or i can not reach it. Of course i tried the keyboard shortcuts at boot, but the recovery doesn't come up, not even work the internet recovery. Very strange. So i just thought, maybe i can install a newer macos with OCLP on top of this dosdude Catalina? Is that possible? If yes, which OCLP MacOs would work flawless on this iMac? I already made successful OCLP installation with the Sonoma on my unsupported iMac 27" late 2012 successfully, and it's working great. I would really appreciate some of your advice what to do. Thanks in advance.

[@JessiesFlying]

@@laszlocsikos189 it’s not recommended to update a patched macOS. I recommend a clean install of Big Sur on Macs older than 2012

[@laszlocsikos189]

@@JessiesFlying Thank you! Actually i wanted to put back the original High Sierra, the latest supported OS for this model. In internet recovery i could erase the Macintosh HD for clean install, after i choose install high sierra from the menu, and just a message came up, the recovery server can not reach or something like this. I also tried the bootable usb but after i choose it , it's just an apple logo and nothing happened. I will try to make a BigSur installer with OCLP on my iMac for this other iMac. As i remember there is way too do it, just have to choose the right model. Am i right?

[@laszlocsikos189]

@@JessiesFlying Problem solved: in the recovery at the erase part had to change/format the file system from apfs to macos extended journal. Because the patch made the file system to apfs for Catalina, that's why the bootable usb couldn't find where to install because high Sierra need macos extended . After this change the high Sierra installation was successful from boootable usb. :)

[@JessiesFlying]

@@laszlocsikos189 correct 👍

[@laszlocsikos189]

@@JessiesFlying do i have to do something else apart from i choose the right model in the list above the host model? Is there any tutorial video about this? It's always fail at the validating integrity.

[@sko556]

@Jessie: I want to let you know that I am successfull in upgrading all MBPs 9,2 using a single USB. Thanks for your advice regarding this. I would like to ask you about upgrading Macbook air 2015 which I plan to do in a few days after finding new USBs when I have time. Do you aware of any problems upgrading to 15.0 from 14.7 for MB Air 2015. They have no ethernet jack to connect so I am a little worry about losing Wi-Fi before I can do post install patch. Please illuminate me about your experience. Thanks Jessie.

[@JessiesFlying]

@@sko556 I’m not aware of issues - simply install KDK and MetalLib upfront and do the update and have OCLP on the USB drive to install root patches afterwards for WiFi

[@sko556]

@@JessiesFlying My MBA 13" is 7,2, I checked for KDK in it and it is only 14.3 after updating to 14.7 5 days ago. I can try to download KDK but I am not sure of how to download Metallib and where to save it. Can you please guide me. Thank you so much.

[@JessiesFlying]

@@sko556 check out my video here: Tips & Tricks to install macOS 15 Sequoia on UNSUPPORTED MACs! kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6mmkKN5opyjsKM

[@TimHamper-i4w]

Hey guys I’ve just done a clean install of sequoia 15.0 on my 5,1 with oclp 2.0.3 amazing - completely installed and automatically performed root patches. So when it start - it was done. Installed everything I need except the UAD Apollo Now on sequoia you have to allow installations but they get stuck - anyone have this problem, word 2016 was the same writing scrips for ages but eventually it passed - not so much with UAD

[@JessiesFlying]

@@TimHamper-i4w maybe ask that on Discord?

[@vitorsousa5951]

Good afternoon Jessie, I had a problem related to the wallpaper, it has now been resolved and I left it in a comment. I have two MacPro 5.1 One of them has an original card, the other with the RX 580, now everything works fine on both. I have a question, in addition to other Macs I have a Macbook pro 15 from 2017 with touch bar, after what I read I couldn't find anything to say whether the touch bar works or not in SEQUOIA, I would appreciate your opinion, thank you. Victor Sousa

[@robertwilliams2762]

Can you share how you fixed it for others who might have the same problem. Me for example.

[@JessiesFlying]

touchbar works on my MBP 2016

[@vitorsousa5951]

@@robertwilliams2762 The solution is to go into Mission Control, add a space and delete your default space. This solves the problem!

[@vitorsousa5951]

@@JessiesFlying Thanks, I will install.

[@vitorsousa5951]

I installed Sequoia on the 2nd Mac Pro with the original card and it works very well, it just doesn't give 4K because it only has 1Gb, but it's OK.

[@JacquesMailloux]

hello, what graphics card are you using? thanks

[@howandwhytv]

Let’s say I put an SSD that has a sierra image can I swap OSs without a graphics card swap?

[@JessiesFlying]

@@howandwhytv depends on the graphics card. Sierra most likely doesn’t have drivers for newer cards…

[@MyGeogy]

Hi, May I know why I can't connect my 12max pro iPhone to my 2012 Macpro 5,1 through bluetooth?

[@JessiesFlying]

@@MyGeogy for airdrop?

[@MyGeogy]

@@JessiesFlying phone mirroring app!!! My 12 max pro is not detecting my 2012 sequoia 5,1.🥲

[@MyGeogy]

@@JessiesFlying my iPhone is not detecting my macpro 5,1. Same my Mac is not detecting my 12maxpro

[@JessiesFlying]

@@MyGeogy are you sure it’s all visible?

[@MyGeogy]

@@JessiesFlying can you please explain more?

[@injusticemattersuk4744]

I didn't mess around with the Open Legacy Patcher; it was easier to upgrade my iMac, especially when dealing with those old Intel processors. Especially if you have an old machine, you need a lot of RAM to work the new software properly; it's a RAM heater. You'd be better off upgrading your machines. You're doing well running those old machines, keeping the old Intel going. To run this software, you need sixteen gigs of RAM to run it properly. It will be too slow on eight gigs of RAM. If you've got an old hard drive, it's going to be worse. You're not going to get any more significant upgrades with that old Intel; it's too slow. This will be the last significant software upgrade. 😊 What I love about the old iMac is you can upgrade them; you can't do that with the new iMac. Forget about the patcher; upgrade your machines. I've seen folks running two thousand and five machines you've done very well it seems from old machines going 😅😅😅

[@kikencorp]

how do I know if my Apple keyboard has a 2.0 hub? Mine looks like the one you have in the video.

[@JessiesFlying]

then it should be fine

[@sko556]

@jessie: You are providing a lot of information but I don't have any Mac Pro unfortunately. I want to ask about the possibility of using same USB for upgrading to Mac Os Sequoia for my macbook pros 2012 and macbook 2016. Is it possible to reuse the same USB for Macbook Pro 9, 2, I have 4 of them and Macbooks 2016, , I have 3 of them. If so, how can I use the same single USB to upgrade without redownloading the 15.0 installer and OCLP 2.0.1 and without erasing the USB. The local retail electronic store has been selling a few USB installer only each time and they run out and only online available at times. I have upgraded multiple iMacs and Macbook Pros 2016 using different new USBs without any problems to 15.0. Please advise for single USB use for multiple same model upgrade. Thanks

[@JessiesFlying]

@@sko556 yes, you can reuse it. Just select the appropriate Mac model in the OCLP and say “build and install OpenCore” to the USB…

[@sko556]

@@JessiesFlying Do I have to wipe and reinstall the USB or can I use same USB without wiping out and reinstalling same Mac OS 15.0. All my MacBook 12” are same models for 2016 and all my MacBook Pro are Same model ID 9,2 2012. Can I just eject the same USB with Mac OS 15.0 installer in it from same model to another same model without wiping and without building open core and Mac OS 15.0 installer ? Please clarify it for me? Thank you.

[@JessiesFlying]

@@sko556 as I said: no need to create the USB installer again, just install the different variants of OpenCore via the patcher

[@sko556]

@@JessiesFlying Thank you. I have only the latest OCLP 2.0.1 in the USB with 15.0 installer for same macbook models. I think I don't have to install different OCLP patcher at this time until newer one come out later. Correct ?

[@JessiesFlying]

@@sko556 correct 👍

[@computerenthusiast402]

I have 3 Mac Pro’s. ( 2 are 2010 ) and one is 2009. I want to upgrade the CPU’s in 2009 but I can’t get the firmware upgrade tool to work. When I try to upgrade the firmware and reboot the computer it starts the upgrade then reboots. It never completes the upgrade. Thats one thing I would like to fix. Also can you make a video on how to create the USB installer thumb drives with Opencore included ?

[@JessiesFlying]

@@computerenthusiast402 I don’t have a 2009 to upgrade, so maybe ask on Discord….?

[@besserschreiben9481]

CPUs. Not CPU's. Plural. Not genitive.

[@danielmarucci9371]

Hello, which gpu can I install on the macpro 5.1 with El capitan, without making major updates? A GPU with at least 2GB. Grateful

[@JessiesFlying]

@@danielmarucci9371 I’m no expert in El Capitan, maybe ask on my discord server?

[@Wellenbrett]

Many thanks for your helpful videos! I managed to install macOS Sonoma with OCLP on my Mac Pro 5.1 (with PC-GPU RX 580 and OWC PCIe-Sata-SSD-Adapter) right away. So far it has been running macOS 10.14.6. I would like to be able to choose between the old macOS 10.14.6 (without OCLP) and macOS Sonoma (with OCLP) when booting. Is that possible? When I press the Alt-Key after the system sound, I only see black on the screen. So far I can only switch between the systems if I remove the SSD with the other system. Could you make a video about such a dual boot, or is it quite simple and I'm missing something?

[@JessiesFlying]

@@Wellenbrett unfortunately it’s not that simple if you can’t see the boot selector. But OpenCore should also be able to boot 10.14….?

[@Wellenbrett]

​@@JessiesFlying Thank you very much for your quick reply! Initially, the OCLP boot selector was visible and when I clicked on the icon for macOS Sonoma, everything worked and Sonoma started and worked properly. But when I clicked on the icon for the old macOS 10.14.6, it did not start, only an icon with a crossed-out circle appeared. But since I still need macOS 10.14.6, the only solution that worked was to remove the PCIe SSD card with macOS Sonoma and then start the old macOS 10.14.6.

[@JessiesFlying]

@@Wellenbrett then I think you’ll always have to physically swap the drives 😩

[@Wellenbrett]

@@JessiesFlying Many thanks for your expert assessment: it saves me having to experiment. Good luck with this great channel!

[@JessiesFlying]

@@Wellenbrett 🚀 sharing appreciated 😬

[@pureflower5248]

I ve updated my imac 2017 to Sequoia , but it only boot with my usb pen , always I have to use it when it boot. Even though tried to copy it into my imac disk , it dont work .Can you give me an advice? and how can I remove all files and get apple server original factory download to my imac?

[@JessiesFlying]

@@pureflower5248 just install OpenCore to your boot disk EFI partition

[@pureflower5248]

@@JessiesFlyingCan you teach us how to unstall opencore patcher and downgrade to clean original imac?

[@JessiesFlying]

@@pureflower5248 downgrade only via clean install: Easiest Tutorial to instal macOS Sonoma on UNSUPPORTED MACs! kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZ7an5h8lL6meaM

[@TheNessquest]

THANKS

[@johnw7236]

Running my Mac Pro 4,1 upgraded to 5,1 and have done this several times and have never delidded my cpu's

[@JessiesFlying]

dual or single cpu?

[@johnw7236]

@@JessiesFlying Dual

[@JessiesFlying]

@@johnw7236 make sure you don’t apply too much pressure onto the CPUs then

[@MrBurris_]

Jesse, PLEASE help me and many others here, HOW do we flash our 4.1's firmware, the original links have broken and we can't do the way we used to. I have done this many times using the firmware tool and the 5.1 firmware but the links have broken and it doesn't work anymore. PLEASE let us know how you do this now in present day, Dec.23, 2024. THANK you !

[@JessiesFlying]

@@MrBurris_ maybe ask on Discord for working links…?

[@superimportant]

one comment. The Radeon 5700xt would be the largest GPU using the onboard power. Also

[@rossherrmann9854]

@@superimportant yes I am using one of these cards in my 5.1

[@MrJbipes]

OK I am at my wits end here with GPU/Video cards. I bought the exact model Sapphire GPU. The 'game' switch is set, the cables are correct, reverted the root patches, shut it down, reconnected it all. Black screen. Tried to reset the PRAM, nothing. It works fine with the old NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 2 GB, except for BT! Which these new cards are supposed to fix. Mac Pro 5,1, Dual NVMe PCIe cards. What do I do?

[@JessiesFlying]

@@MrJbipes so when you boot it from USB installer into recovery menu and then swap the graphic cards, does it get into recovery menu again?

[@MrJbipes]

@@JessiesFlying I did not do it that way. I did what your video here at #4 said to do. Reverted the root patches, shut it down, and swapped cards. All I got was black screens.

[@MrJbipes]

@@JessiesFlying I'm at a loss here to know what I should be doing. I expected that this vid with the Sapphire GPU you showed would fix my problem. I'm not familiar with the process you outlined booting from the installer. Can you clarify or point me to your video for better understanding? Thanks.

[@JessiesFlying]

@@MrJbipes create a USB installer and remove all others drives (NVMe or SSD), then boot from it with the old graphic card into the recovery installer. If this works, shut it down, swap the cards and try again if it works…

[@MrJbipes]

@@JessiesFlying This didn't work. Yes, I can boot into the Recovery Mode with the old graphics card. Shut it down, remove all drives, install new graphics card. I get the boot screen on startup and it will get 1/3 into booting, then stop. Any re-starts the screen remains blank. I'm returning this GPU.

[@benedeklippai0203]

The fastest gpu, that you can use in a mac pro 4,1 or 5,1 without pixlas mod or flashing is the rx 5700, not the vega 56

[@JessiesFlying]

@@benedeklippai0203 correct, but only up to Monterey ☝️

[@robertwilliams2762]

I thought you would show an install of sequoia. I have a Mac Pro 5,1 with 64 gig ram, a flashed Mac vid card 580 so I can see boot picker, NVME but after installing sequoia, patching with OCLP 2.0.1, I cannot see or change wallpaper or screensaver.

[@JessiesFlying]

install is shown in my other video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6mmkKN5opyjsKM

[@robertwilliams2762]

@@JessiesFlying I did see and fallow it but no luck. Downloaded all the extra package file. Though I don’t need it because I hardwire into internet when updating

[@JessiesFlying]

@@robertwilliams2762 so the root patches are all installed (check the log)?

[@robertwilliams2762]

@@JessiesFlying what I do is always make a new volume and instal there to test it. I still have Sonoma. After several attempts of fresh install having used OCLP to make a USB installer then running the patch after install completes several times in fact, it persists.

[@robertwilliams2762]

@@JessiesFlying So it turns out to be something with OC 2.0 cause problem resolved 2.0.2

[@FyxMMM]

hello，Jessie，I need your help,mac pro 2009 cannot install macos, The progress bar is displayed

[@JessiesFlying]

need more details pls...

[@WalterSietinga]

Hi Jessie Do I understand correctly that if you upgrade from firmware 4.1 to 5.1 you still need delidded CPUs?

[@JessiesFlying]

@@WalterSietinga yes 👍

[@WalterSietinga]

@@JessiesFlying thanks for your fast answer

[@metamon2704]

Why are you not not recommending the RX6600? - as far as I know it's not more power hungry than the RX580

[@JessiesFlying]

@@metamon2704 there are no drivers for this in macOS newer than Monterey

[@linkineric]

I have mac pro 7,1 with sonoma, is it okay to install newer version of mac os? (Open core legacy patcher) Core 2 duo 2.66 ghz with 8 gb ram and 500 gb ssd

[@JessiesFlying]

@@linkineric I doubt it’s a Mac Pro… 🤔 if it’s a MacBook Pro I don’t recommend that

[@linkineric]

@@JessiesFlying sorry its macbook pro 7,1 form mid 2010

[@linkineric]

@@JessiesFlying why don’t recommend? Because new mac os just released and have many bugs or I can’t install in future also because of hardware? Mention that its my second device and Im not using it as a daily main device

[@JessiesFlying]

@@linkineric I don’t recommend Sonoma or sequoia on Macs older than 2012

[@linkineric]

@@JessiesFlying which version mac os is recommended for use on this device? Most app support mac os is important for me

[@VeryFunnyStuffs]

I now have a rx 6800 xt in macos 12.x. Switching to oclp for sequoia I would need to revert to an rx 580?! Why the step back on the supported gfx card?!

[@JessiesFlying]

@@VeryFunnyStuffs no Navi support by OCLP yet for macOS 13 and newer

[@VeryFunnyStuffs]

@@JessiesFlying thank you for your quick response. As I learned it has to do with the drivers having been compiled against AVX2 supported CPUS which the 5,1 don't have, so no way to use these drivers.

[@JessiesFlying]

@@VeryFunnyStuffs correct

[@eldjdelaraza]

Tienes que poner el bios a gpu grafica para que telea bien el boot de arranque

[@JessiesFlying]

@@eldjdelaraza English please 🙏

[@claudiom.5167]

one more great and very useful video, Jessie is N1 ! But I have an issue with the Videocard RX580 8GB Nitro on Mac Pro 5,1. It boots normally with windows 10 (OpenCore) but the same card is not recognized on Mac OS Sonoma (Black screen, no boot, keeps restarting because does not detect the card. Please help.. Thank you and keep up the good work.

[@JessiesFlying]

@@claudiom.5167 are you sure it’s not trying to load macOS without EFI Boot and therefore doesn’t start…?

[@claudiom.5167]

@@JessiesFlyingthx for the reply🙂 I have a RX580 modded with boot screen working perfectly on my 5,1 / Sonoma 14.7, after switching the card with a "normal" rx580 Nitro the Nitro does not work, it should remember the boot disk right? What am I missing here ? heeeelp 🙏🙂

[@JessiesFlying]

@@claudiom.5167 yes it should. Does it have a tiny switch for “game mode”? That has to be set

[@claudiom.5167]

@@JessiesFlying the switch is the correct position and checked the firmware in windows, everything looks fine. In windows works perfectly.

[@claudiom.5167]

another thing, when I install Mac OS (any) from USB, after reboot does not find the drive (🚫similar icon) and shuts down. If I install or upgrade from internal HD to different HD on Mac Pro works. I installed (any) OS no problem on other Mac Pros.

[@overdriver99]

I have updated 4,1 to 5,1 Mac Pro with dual booting Mac OS and Windows 11. to be honest.. Windows 11 give me way faster experience. unless you have real good reason to stay with Mac OS.. I would suggest Windows 11 for Mac Pro 4,1 or 5,1. graphic card is Radeon 480. My NVME/PCI adapter installed has Mac OS and regular SATA SSD has Windows 11.. still windows 11 wins. I am considering switching each other but I have less reason to keep Mac OS for now.

[@macgamer1973]

it weird we get more support from Microsoft than the creators of our beloved Mac Pros

[@injusticemattersuk4744]

Don't you think Jesse's pretty good? It gave a good performance all around, explaining it in every detail. 😅😅

[@JessiesFlying]

😊

[@eldjdelaraza]

Grasias por tu tiempo ⏱️ que es muy valioso te entiendo por los titulares en español bendiciones que el Altísimo te lo triplique

[@JessiesFlying]

😊

[@emotionalintelligence776]

The problem is the reality of newer Apple silicon being superior even the M1 Mac Mini has unmatched performance over our eMP. People who upgrade these Mac Pros refuse to be reasonable tbh its more delusional then anything. When youre looking at a new PC bc Hackintosh is what youre doing anyway when you use opencore or oclp. You should invest in something with a return value over outdated xeons that are dead compard to anything from Intel or AMD in the last few years, easily. Then you are buying a GPU that needs to be flashed or so outdated that its only worth using in these Macs. Someone said it and its fact, five years ago these machines were untouchable. But with soc and the M4 Mac Mini recently released, there's no reason to invest a cheesegrater unless you have some nostalgia itch you have to keep scratching.

[@hotdogdog4740]

@@emotionalintelligence776 in his part one of this series, he showcases how you are mostly false in this assessment beyond efficiency, storage speeds and single core performance. There is much much more to a computer than that

[@darrenhankner5282]

buy a 2019 Mac Pro used on eBay for $2000 to $2500 forget the Mac Pro 5.1 and trashcan. not worth it.

[@JessiesFlying]

that's still a lot of money for a non-Silicon MAC...

[@robertwilliams2762]

@@darrenhankner5282 Buy that and in a few short years you won’t be able to update when Apple drops intel all together and no OCLP will be able to help.

[@JonTrott]

I feel a bit ashamed. I have installed Sequoia on my Mac Pro 5,1. I'm using an OWC sled in the PCI slot with a standard Samsung SSD (1t). But I'm just not using it much yet. It runs fine.

[@gameingHyenia]

To bring down cost of the new systems that ARE SOOOO OVER PRICED * ASK why do i need to upgrade to another new system WHY Just because its there , Help Break the cycle of buying a new system every yr. Wow really . There are 75% of us that cannot afford to buy a new computer every 5 yrs , The other 25 % of people are either Stupid rich or Need finatial help. So what happens is The builders Make More profits on You At some point the Industry is only going to depend on the18% of the multi million $ Industries to survile on Not any public Money.

[@JessiesFlying]

that's exactly why I help people install a newer macOS on old MAC hardware ;-)

[@macgamer1973]

they are not rich. most people are using their credit cards to cover it. Tim Cook and apple want you to upgrade to make themselves richer and make others poorer.

[@TomaszCichawa]

Hi, thanks for another helping video. I have a MP 5,1 with RX580, and the old GeForce GT120. I'm starting my upgrade and the boot screen (or black screen) causes me always a problem that I'm trying to resolve. I am about studying the "Enable GOP" process (here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKjNcpmGjrF5pKc and here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpynnWmCiNZmba8 ), but I'm discovering your advice (chapter #4) related to swapping GPUs while installing a new MacOs. You say "be sure, before swapping cards, to revert root patches". It maybe could ease my pain… Do you think it's not necessary to "enable GOP", if I follow your advice? Please confirm if this procedure would be correct: 1. Via OCLP installed on my High Sierra disc (with GT120) I install Monterey (for the moment) on a different SSD. 2. ⚠Now, I need to understand: DO I execute "Post-install Root Patches", and then I revert them, or I DON'T apply P-iRP before I swap the cards ? 3. I swap the cards and restart my MP… and everything would be OK with my RX580?

[@JessiesFlying]

if you have not yet installed the root patches then do not install them, swap the GPU and then install them with new GPU installed

[@TomaszCichawa]

​@@JessiesFlying Thank you for this clarification. Concerning the 'Enable GOP' procedure, I will do my own research that would complete my present knowledge… :-)

[@JessiesFlying]

@@TomaszCichawa I never tried that before as it has its risks