Persona 2: Innocent Sin: Worth Playing in 2024? (Yes, but no.)

[@KoopersKuzunoha]

Valid complaints and criticisms i didnt mind the gameplay when i played but can see why people dont like it, EP is peak persona tho trust

[@OmniMon94]

I agree I'm currently playing EP and I honestly enjoy the difficulty more than what IS kinda screwed over And the story is peak

[@Tasty_Tango45]

I honestly love oldsona’s gameplay, I get why people don’t like it but it stratches an itch in my brain due to how organized everything feels. Mordernsona has so many systems that feel over complex at risk of the player getting bored or whatever.

[@Tasty_Tango45]

@@OmniMon94For sure, EP is my favorite game

[@KoopersKuzunoha]

@@Tasty_Tango45 I totally get what you mean, recently replayed p1 and despite the faults still love the game to death with how the combat is

[@OmniMon94]

@@KoopersKuzunoha if there's one thing I hate about P1 Thanatos Tower Nuff said

[@edwardsimpson119]

Maya Amano is the Best Girl of the entire Persona franchise.

[@YandereGogeta]

I like Maki a bit more but Maya is a close second

[@nightwish1453]

I do think that as far as the gameplay's parts concerned playing the PSP version makes it even worse. the fights last longer because someone at ATLUS decided to go artsy on the UI and this results in extremely long padded out time on setting up every action on each party member. the ps1 version takes half of the time and there is a video you can find that compares how quick it is to go through the commands and PSP is way longer than ps1's by a long shot. Vid: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXK9hWeqhZmDbsU

[@HadasB1]

I think the reason for there being so many different rumours about each shop is to help the player get and sell equipment more efficiently: for example, you can spread a rumour that one Rosa Candida branch sells expensive high-quality armour, and then spread a rumour that the other branch has a mediocre selection, but buys stuff for a high price. That way you could sell armour to the latter, and get enough money to buy from the former. However, the game's so easy that you could go through it entirely without having to change anyone's equipment (that's what I did), so this mechanic is practically useless.

[@YandereGogeta]

This is probably the reason, but the problem is that money is never an issue throughout the entire game, at least it wasn't for me. They must have realized it with Eternal Punishment cause that game's rumor system is WAY better

[@HadasB1]

@YandereGogeta Yeah, Eternal Punishment fixed a lot of issues, the UI especially is so much better

[@Cooler_FHD]

Thank you for making this video since I wanted to play it but the first few hours were so torturous that I could not continue 😭

[@YandereGogeta]

I totally understand 🫡

[@AdApT3Rx]

can't wait to play it on the vita

[@Jimmylikehalo]

Persona 2 IS would benefit from a remake the most as the story, characters, and music are all good but the gameplay being more like the combat in recent games would be amazing

[@FromBeyondTheGrave1]

It literally got a remake IS (PSP) is an updated version that uses EP new changes, and it wouldn’t benefit from a current era remake

[@nightwish1453]

@@FromBeyondTheGrave1 the psp remake's gameplay is actually worse than the former, the combat UI is dreadful that it takes an extra minute to go through the commands, ps1 version takes half of that time, how is that an improvement? the ep PSP did not even have this issue at all

[@Venom.02]

You made good point But gaming was very young at the time I was like under 13 I didn’t understand stand nothing but it was so much fun. I hope and do hope when they remake this game I want the challenge and what it harder then any other person games.

[@gotinogaden]

I completed Innocent Sin back in 2013, by way of Gemini's translation for the PS1. While it was somewhat rough around the edges, the game was greatly immersive and challenging at times, but IIRC, there's a drastic re-balance between the PS1 and the PSP versions. The latter was watered down in terms of difficulty (if the rumours are true... oh!) hence your observations. Those dish stat increases weren't permanent in the OG version (?) but I too was annoyed by the slow nature of the random encounters. On top of that, I wanted to one-shot the final couple of bosses so I decided to grind for Alice in the abandoned factory. It was like having a part time job, but man, it was totally worth it to not drag out the final battle more than was necessary. This is a game carried by its story, so if you're in it for the gameplay, you might be disappointed unless you like dungeon crawlers and their general quirks. If you want the genuine article, I'd suggest the PS1 version.

[@flyingover3737]

I think Persona 2 is one of the most amazing stories of all Persona series in my opinion (the other is Persona 4). However, what I heard is that Atlus just wants to remaster it but not remake it.

[@Ryu-Q363]

I personally enjoyed the gameplay even though it wasn't a challenge

[@OmniMon94]

Innocent Sin was definitely a fun game minus the difficulty. Eternal Punishment was definitely the sequel it deserved considering the game play. But for both gameplay, the fusion spells were fun to play with.

[@PkmnMasterNeb]

Played through IS for the first time last year after owning it for years (bought it when it was cheap but never played it other than to see if the umd worked) and I felt very similarly. Actual top tier story marred by insufferably easy and monotonous gameplay. I stuck through it though bc the story is just that compelling. I had to look up a guide to understand fusion but I also just decided to not fuse anything. I fused two personas for cheap healing and fusion spells and stopped there. Planning on playing Eternal Punishment some day but I have other games I plan on beating first.

[@slayer2875]

That's really strange, because in my country (i'm in france) most who have played the game appreciate the gameplay. So i don't know what to think. Maybe our opinion and appreciation of this types of gameplay is different in my country. because personally, i kinda liked it (as well as Persona 1.)

[@kayz774]

En vrai je trouve qu'il a exagéré de malade Genre oui le jeu a bcp de choses dans son game design qui nique un peu l'expérience mais rien de vrmt désastreux Le seul reproche que je ferai au jeu c'est d'encore plus simplifier les combats que ne le faisait persona 1 et du coup ça donne des combats de boss longs ou tu passe juste ton temps à spam Mise à part ça ça reste plaisant à jouer

[@slayer2875]

@kayz774 Après chacun son avis. Moi perso pour ètre en train d'y joué, j'ai pas de problème avec le gameplay mais si il aime pas parce que c'est lent, simple et aime pas les négociation, c'est pas grâve. J'ai vu sa vidéo sur eternal punishment (juste pour la partie gameplay) et il dit que c'est bien mieux. Donc voila, après c'est son experience, après dire qu'il a "éxagéré" c'est un peu fort je trouve mais je comprend le point de vu.

[@kayz774]

@slayer2875 oui évidemment c'est une question d'opinion en soit c'est plus pour faire avancer la discussion que je parle Mais ce que je veux dire c'est que ce qu'il pointe comme des défauts ne sont pas aussi graves que ça Genre je sais pas toi mais perso le farm de cartes du tarot c'est allé assez vite à partir d'un moment, et c'est encore moins chiant quand tu regardes les tables pour savoir quel trucs utiliser, le plus gros problème avec ça c'est que le temps investi à négocier est juste perdu à cause de l'inutilité de farmer les personae Et pour les combats ça viendra peut-être après mais j'avoue que sur la fin je spamais juste mes attaques et j'ai eu aucun problème Sur un autre smt si tu fais pas bien gaffe à quel sort tu lances sur quel démon tu te fais ouvrir par le moindre ennemi croisé sur la Map Du coup ça rend certains (pas tous) boss vachement chiant parce que le combat est long pour pas grand chose Enfin bref je viens de commencer eternal punishment, vu que j'avais bien aimé le gameplay sur innocent sin si ils ont amélioré ça (et tout internet semble dire que EP est est un vrai challenge) ça va sûrement être une expérience de fou, j'ai hâte de voir la conclusion de cette histoire Bref profite bien de ta partie tu verra la fin de innocent sin c'est quelque chose j'avoue que je m'y attendais pas x))))

[@slayer2875]

@kayz774 Merci a toi, Ouais malheureusement je sais pour l'un des dernier boss, le fameux H (aka moustachu) c'est vrai que quand je l'ai su la première fois, j'était là en mode WTF x)).

[@kayz774]

@slayer2875 oui après ça va ça c'est plus une surprise marrante qu'un vrai truc important Y a des trucs qui seraient bcp plus tristes de se faire spoil mdrrr T'es arrivé à où dans le jeu ?

[@jesusarmandocontreras2742]

10:00 Joker Noriko on og EP says hi xDDD

[@dgc1570]

I imagine that those issues will be fixed should we ever get a remake for P2

[@hxntaiguy3318]

🤔I probably won't ever play it unless they remake it in the gameplay play style like persona 3-5, but I would agree that the story of both games is good, watch a video on KZbin explaining the games, and yes it is a great story as a whole.

[@nightwish1453]

i feel like remaking oldsona to play like 3-5 has a lot of problems to it. for starters you don't have the life sim (unless atlus rewrites the whole thing to shove it in which i doubt they would do that) so already it would be seen as less appealing from the get go for newcomers by virtue of the newer games mesh with it better (it would be like episode aigis but as full game in length) a lot of other issues come up with this like how all characters in oldsona aren't restricted to one persona and instead have a semi fool and can wield a vast amount of them and can equip 3 at once and there is also the additional elements that the modern games have never implemented. the gameplay style for oldsona would better off using eternal punishment's built in foundation and building off from there you might as well stick to something that roughly stands out on it's own rather than dumbing down the whole thing of what's the most digestable especially how the stories of oldsona were written with the older gameplay style in mind

[@hxntaiguy3318]

@nightwish1453 I get what you mean it's just that's how I got into the persona so I'm use to that gameplay style, but if they change it to shin megami tensei 5 like with the gameplay style I think it could work like polish off the rough edges that he spoke about in the video.

[@goddamnpavuk1099]

I played ps1 version, maybe it's harder, but I really had to fuse new personas and play with fusion spells to win some battles, overall I really enjoyed p2 battle system tho persona acquiring and encounter rate were tedious. I think eternal punishment improves quite a lot on difficulty aspect, tho some find it too high of a spike comparing to IS. You'd probably need to get new personas on second or third dungeon already, or else bosses would destroy you

[@anxhelovucinaj1576]

Off topic but when you get to playing p2 eternal punishment,I would reccomend playing it with the original ost instead of the remixed psp one since a lot of the remixes take away some of the musical instruments that were in the og music. The final boss theme of innocent sin is probably the biggest example of that. If you ever get the chance listen to the og music of the final boss of IS and you'll notice the difference between it and it's remixed rendition.

[@YandereGogeta]

I go back and listen to the originals after I beat them and leave the ost default

[@nightwish1453]

EP's PSP ost is a bit better than IS's as a whole. less crazy on the guitar it only gets worn down by having to reuse IS tracks and there are mods to insert fanmade versions like philemon's boss theme

[@ZX-Gear]

If you are going to play Persona 2,go PSP for both versions as each rendition has one part be exclusive to one side of the coast for their Western Releases and the PSP version is just a better version of the PS1 game with the old OST as an option.

[@Megidolaon999]

The only thing i think of when i think of IS is: It sure is better than Persona 1! And that’s it!

[@trigunlover11]

I hope this game comeso ut for me to try playing this game on my channel...for the first time. That, the second half of the second game, and the 1st game remake for the PSP.

[@destructor3152]

The game with the boss fight with Hitler

[@GabiShy]

I can already hear Persona 2 screaming at you to play the PS1 version of P2IS lol

[@GabiShy]

*Persona 2 fans

[@GOOSE_7777]

most of the complaints in this video are just so goofy to me its really not that bad (besides the difficulty and contact system, those are still ass) also when you play eternal punishment, please tell me you're playing the psp fan translation cuz that dub in the original was ass

[@YandereGogeta]

I will be using the fan translation, yeah

[@GOOSE_7777]

GOOD

[@kayz774]

I thnin you're a little bit exagerating about negocations I mean yes it takes time and it's absolutly useless to go through the game But it's not that much annoying When you find out what command make the demon eager it becomes faster to farm a specific arcana With a pact you can add free cards (and i recommand to farm a high amount of free cards because it's the only stat that will be transfered in eternal punishment) and free cards really save your day I would like if there was a second story like the snow queen quest that force you to use everything in the game

[@Raposadegeloo]

I think the most problematic thing about thos game is: it just dosent good in tell you where you need to go All my gameplay i need to check a walktrough because the game just didnt tell me whats the next objective (or maybe im just dumb) Oh, and fuck the air shelter, boring ass dungeon

[@YandereGogeta]

I personally didn’t have too much issue in this regard, but I do gotta agree on the air shelter good lord

[@dgc1570]

Yes! P2's OST is so good!

[@alternateGRAMMAR]

Vindication!!! All I ever heard was that Innocent Sin was easy, nobody truly warned me of how AWFUL the gameplay is. I felt my brain leaking out of my ears by the ending. Characters were cool, though.

[@FromBeyondTheGrave1]

Persona 2 is peak gameplay loop is divine 11:58 you’re using a fallacy to find a problem the map is still grid based and you know that why would you try a path you as the player know won’t work

[@YandereGogeta]

Persona 2 is about the furthest thing from a peak gameplay loop I can possibly think of in my head

[@FromBeyondTheGrave1]

@ bruh you used false examples on tarot cards cause you get way too many of them for Persona Summoning (Not fusion by the way) when you were even trying to argue the fact of summoning costing too much you use an end game Persona like Lucifer, the demon negotiation is super easy that you’d have blank cards out the ass , and Fusion Spells actually make you feel like you’re fighting in group.

[@YandereGogeta]

Dawg the issue is that the gameplay itself sucks and there’s no reason to get new personas

[@FromBeyondTheGrave1]

@@YandereGogeta your opinion on the gameplay itself sucking holds no weight you used fallacies to get those results, it’s like the dude who used the Reaper strategy in Persona 5 to justify it being a bad game.

[@YandereGogeta]

Ok

[@speaksincircles]

so you’re saying I dont have to grind to get through this game? 😊

[@YandereGogeta]

Definitely not

[@RohenEdwards]

I really did wanna play through P2IS but that gameplay was so bad I couldn't. 😮‍💨

[@GobbsBrown]

Idk what version you're playing but it's definitely not the original, you should clarify that in the video. I played it on PS1 and it definitely wasn't "brain-dead easy" and you wouldn't blitz through the game with default personas. Unless there's an easy setting or something I didn't notice on PS1

[@YandereGogeta]

Within the first 20 seconds I say what version I’m playing.

[@GobbsBrown]

Oops, sounds like a bad rebalanced port. It's a shame you had to experience the game like that

[@kaorinsz]

Early and P2 has always interested me ill get into it soon

[@alaskanspartan89]

I wish they rerelease this game

[@pokestar9994]

While the combat was pretty easy (minus a few fights where I did no fusions and the default personas were getting power crept), I preferred it to P1 in that I could just set auto and press emulation fast-forward to get on with the story. P1’s gameplay felt more annoying to me (looking at you Thanatos tower…) Also I’m trying to do no fusions again in EP and holy crap, it is way harder. Practically unplayable without the defend exploit.

[@DarkkirbyKRPG]

I think you are the only person I've ever heard that praises the grid system of Persona 1. As someone who played P1, Innocent Sin and is currently playing Eternal Punsihment in 2024 (all 3 of them), the grid system is the absolute worst mechanic from Persona 1. It was ass.

[@YandereGogeta]

Idk I just really enjoyed it. Made an otherwise simple gameplay loop feel like something different. Worst mechanic easily is negotiating though cause that's the worst in every game (to me) and it was at its worst in Persona 1

[@mauri4140]

man the HD mod for this game looks kinda ugly 😭 the smudges on the art due to the upscaling is so off putting to me. amazing game tho lmaoo

[@mattf.868]

never play the PSP Demake

[@47NapoleonBonaparte]

How do i play it on ppsspp?

[@YandereGogeta]

All you gotta do is find a copy of the game (which I can’t provide) and open it via the emulator

[@BillyAnselmo]

If you like persona series and then yes if you only like some persona like persona 5 or persona 3 then no because it will make you just complain for like persona series my best persona is 4 which is atlus make the game perfect the cast feels like you know them, the story is engaging, if you are true persona fan just try p2 who knows maybe you like it.