Persona Prototypes

these are currently the only persona games that have publicly available prototypes.
all prototypes here can be found on hiddenpalace.org
patreon: / bubbletea_
timestamps:
0:00 Intro
1:59 Persona 1 Prototype 8-2-1996
8:04 Persona 2 Tsumi Demo
11:10 Persona 2 Batsu Prototype 11-17-2000
15:18 Persona 3 Prototype 5-25-2007
26:17 Brief Closing Words
all music used (excluding parts with in-game audio):
Persona 4 - New Days
Megami Ibunroku Persona - Reiji's Theme
Megami Ibunroku Persona - Nanjo's Theme
Persona 2 Innocent Sin - Ginko's Theme
Persona 2 Innocent Sin - Seven Sisters High A
Persona 2 Eternal Punishment - Map I
Persona 2 Eternal Punishment - Boss Battle
Persona 2 Eternal Punishment - Satomi Tadashi Pharmacy (Yumezaki)
Digital Devil Saga: Avatar Tuner 1 - Comrades
Persona 3 - Burn My Dread (Beta)
Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha vs The Soulless Army - Tsukudo-cho
Persona 3 - The Voice Someone Calls
Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha vs The Soulless Army - A Strange World
Persona 3 - When Moon's Reaching Out Stars
Persona 3 - Changing Seasons
Shin Megami Tensei III Nocturne - Sound Test
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In this video, I take a dive into Persona game prototypes. Megami Ibunroku Persona, Persona 2, and Persona 3 are the only Persona games to have publicly available prototypes at the moment. The Persona 2 Innocent Sin Demo is also covered here. Prototypes for Persona 4 and Persona 5 have not been discovered yet. If Persona 4 and Persona 5 prototypes or betas are found at some point, I will consider making a part two. Please note that all prototypes covered in this video are almost finished builds of P1, P2EP, and P3. The games are fully playable and you can complete them the same way you'd normally play Persona 1, Persona 2 Eternal Punishment, and Persona 3 if you so choose to. Also note these are all prototypes of the original versions. For Persona 1 and 2, they are the PS1 versions (not the PSP versions). For Persona 3, it is the vanilla PS2 version (not Persona 3 FES or Persona 3 Portable). Lastly, I would like to note that this video DOES NOT cover the very early Persona 3 Beta with massively different gameplay as there is no public dump of that beta. All that being said, I hope you enjoy my unearthing of the Persona Prototypes.
#Persona #Prototype #Beta #SMT

[@bubbletea_]

i’ve heard about the persona 5 2015 debug prototype. i’ve already seen some stuff but i’ll investigate it myself whenever i have time. 🖤 www.patreon.com/bubbletea_

[@YoshiONE2ONE]

Honestly the idea of starting a new Persona game normally for the first few days then suddenly being prompted with a difficulty select sounds really awesome. I realize P5 sort of does this with its en medias res intro, but playing the first week of a Persona game with just its social elements then suddenly being thrown into the crazy RPG stuff sounds really cool to me lol

[@alchemistofsteel8099]

So like the beginning of Kingdom Hearts 2?

[@inazumarai7690]

@@alchemistofsteel8099 no.

[@shokotwokawa9695]

The free movement on the P1 map just made me imagine the Party just no clipping flying around town

[@vosssanchez8042]

No-clips outside of town, still get encounters up the ass

[@thequincy_]

These prototypes/early builds are very interesting. If only there were more early builds uncovered that use unused characters, bosses, music, and other general concepts.

[@zedokaiba6047]

minato got hit with a big april fools joke. he became a door, thats the funniest shit ive ever seen.

[@BreckinMathias]

It makes me very happy how the Persona 3 prototype was on my Birthday because it's one of my favorite games of all time

[@Littlefighter1911]

17:25 Event flags usually contain information like which characters you spoke to, which quests you've completed, which areas you unlocked etc.

[@paulhenderson800]

i don't know why but "mc wakes up from his little nap" made me completely laugh my ass off, thank you

[@sillygobbler87]

for the p3 prototype i think that the programmers names and what was in the categories was mean to be as a guide for what they were supposed to be focusing on, AKA their job.

[@marka.t.s.8344]

It's always interesting to get a feel of prototypes, as someone who is studying a software career it somewhat feels I too could do similar stuff, if I had the knowledge. Also, that conclusion? 10/10

[@Yulises]

Can I just say, thank you not only for the video, but also the detailed description. Specifically wanted to mention the OST that listed in order. Absolutely appreciate that. Amazing work 🙌

[@tastefull1682]

Learnt a lot! Very interesting and well put together video.

[@fr0zt_ed]

Nice video man, I think your channel is fairly underrated due to how high the quality of videos are on the page. I hope you gain the recognition that your content deserves.

[@JahleelSingh]

interesting, could you do one on smt? I emulated Strange journey, the og, and redux and played with some of the cheats. I used the wall through walls to skip some parts and discovered in sector Eridanus on the third floor just beyond the elevator to the boss, I discovered an option to change your alignment by answering some questions. I am not a programmer or proficient in computing, it was just some things I stumbled upon. It worked in both versions. Sorry had to make a correction.

[@JoeMama-jl7wi]

That's interesting

[@giantdad1661]

I believe that may have been for debugging purposes. Were they on other floors or just Eridanus?

[@JahleelSingh]

@@giantdad1661 Just Eridnus as far as I know

[@giantdad1661]

@@JahleelSingh Weird tbh.

[@enoyna1001]

Isn't there a demon in this game that lets you change your alignment by answering questions?

[@adonailr9667]

This is such a great video, very cool topic and editing, hope to see a P4/5 prototype some day

[@aggersoul23]

Very well researched and way amazing presentation... Definitely should be proud of it, full on awesome 💜🖤💜

[@tyropanic]

Another great video as always bubbletea, worth the wait for sure and I can't wait til the next one 👌

[@maripostal]

Really cool video, love prototype stuff

[@DevilManthehero7786]

Keep the good work

[@littlea420]

I never hear of prototypes of smt/persona games so this is amazing TO HEAR

[@LazerAzxl]

This was super well edited and informative my man, great job on this one!

[@israelballaro]

I appreciate you. I saw this video had posted a little while ago and thought, "THANK GOD, Something GOOD to watch on KZbin." Anyway yeah you're cool or whatever, thanks for the vids.

[@Powerstrike368]

This was really interesting ngl. Keep it up! :D

[@ashisharky]

13:09 i love how these debug menus look! That old windows style titlebar and window appearance is kinda charming

[@arrombaacasa390]

awesome video dude

[@BAIGAMING]

Great video, I hope you make a game in the future if it's something you're still interested in. Without in-depth programming knowledge or the context a lot of these debug menus are tough to use or understand. It's pretty interesting how you can break Persona so easily!

[@maccamachine]

Awesome video man very interesting stuff I love this type of shit

[@TheAleStuffs]

Incredible!!

[@blur4504]

Cool video

[@Lozzu]

Your aesthetics are literally unrivaled

[@ajflink]

The "Read!" turning yellow I would assume indicates whenever stored data is being read. If it is just related to the battle or the game as a whole, I am unsure. I assume it is just for battling. Typically, especially for video games, you want to minimize the number of reads and writes for data as possible. Today, especially with the advent of SSDs replacing HDDs in hardware as time goes on and HDDs being a lot more efficient, making this as optimal as possible can be seen as less of a priority, except when dealing with 3D objects and algorithms revolving around texturing.

[@SilentVinyl]

Fascinating

[@gnuwaves743]

hey you're pretty cool guy. Thanks for reminding me how much I love persona 3's character designs. Probably my favorite looking cast of the series.

[@ItsShaz1]

This is interesting!

[@P43re5r]

This has aged nicely

[@johnlukecampbell3140]

That P3 prototype video looked like a P1 remake

[@spydersoup8447]

Could you also try to get your hands on some unfinished Social Links (I don't mean you haven't finished them, I meant the Social Link being unfinished in the game and scrapped during development) for the male party member Social Link. What Yuriofwind talked about in his video on the development of Persona 3 is you were supposed to have a choice on if you want to play as either a male protagonist or a female protagonist. If you're wondering why that sounds like Persona 3 Portable, that's because it was actually an idea they had for the original game, which they ended up scrapping and going with the male protagonist due to time constraints, but it was finally implemented into the PSP version and updated with the female main character being given a slight redesign. There's evidence that how the female route was originally supposed to go back then is in terms of party member Social Links, it was the other way around where if you were to play as her, you would never at any point get to form Social Links with the female party members, only with the male party members, much like with the male protagonist in the final game. And in The Cutting Room Floor's page about Persona 3, over at the unused Social Links section, there's the Social Link status portraits of the rest of the party members each having a portrait for their Social Links either at a normal state or a reversed/broken state that are still in the game's files, and this part even points out that you were supposed to choose between a male protagonist for a female protagonist, but was cut due to time constraints. So, if you've ever wondered why you can't form Social Links with the male party members in FES when you should've, now you know and yes, even I think this is stupid as both protagonists should form Social Links with all their party members regardless. I wonder if there's any leftover data for this scrapped female route in the original game that you could find in the prototype?

[@raphaelkhoury218]

Yeah!!! I want to see if there's any leftover data in the Persona 3 Debug disk, and maybe also any leftover data for the first persona games too!!!

[@aaronbasham6554]

Here's a weird question: Do you think the anime Moon Phase had any influences on Persona 3? I'm asking cause it feels like there was a tone shift on Persona 3 around that time, and it wouldn't be the first time Atlus was influenced by stuff.

[@Kirbyfan45]

....Wait...

[@glitchmaster2672]

Finally, Makoto Yuki gets to be alive

[@ParakeetDSi]

You gotta do a follow up

[@CheesyLizzy]

What if you load into April 8th and just play on from there. What difficulty will Tarturus end up being at?

[@kazonrobinson6272]

Bubble tea how do you make that moving blue background? It looks really cool and I wanna make something similar?

[@bubbletea_]

i looked up a tutorial on animated texture backgrounds

[@iisogal2]

There's nothing more fun than messing with debug menus

[@orbyyorbinaut]

There's a good chance you've heard this by now but a Persona 5 debug build just got dumped today, might be worth doing a video on

[@bubbletea_]

i heard about it. i'll look into it at some point.

[@ArshadZahid_nohandleideas]

Why is that unused SMT Nocturne track titled "Sound Test"?

[@NineArc]

did you test setting the date to januray 31st in persona 3? do you think it would start the nyx fight?

[@bubbletea_]

you're given time on the 31st before the final excursion to tartarus, so no.

[@heartfinality4163]

Do you have a link for that unused persona 3 track after the burn my dread one?

[@wa7saka]

oh wow playing while the games ended and there’s no NPCs but just a few people huh

[@DanieluYoshikoto]

Wishing you good luck with making that game one day, as I finally did that a few years back, but there is so much i had to fix post release... it feels like I just want to trash it and, re-do it... maybe one day I can do it all over again, but this time with the foresight of what I actually need instead of piling code upon code.

[@johngreen8344]

why do all the good videos upload when I'm at work? I'll have to see this video in 8 hours or so. I'll be back.

[@agroah7236]

after the tense I love Videogames i followed haha

[@NuevaBestia]

Now let's see P4 and P5

[@velvetbutterfly]

What anime is the girl at 14:50 from? It's a cute background

[@bubbletea_]

that’s nene from bubblegum crisis

[@PosthumanHeresy]

That intro = sub

[@zedokaiba6047]

guess who just became the 5000th sub?

[@Kira-lo4fx]

it's always just been kaz

[@johnboona4048]

Is it possible to cheat out OP Personas with the debug menu in P3 FES?

[@schmliff0873]

I am the Genesis.

[@kilometerimmorales23]

Sorry i can't pay attention in the persona 3 credits because my eyes are full of tears

[@abel8831]

I love P3 and learning more stuff ability it.

[@Magnesio_dito]

I didn't know that, so i just lost tons of Persona 3 Fes Saves, for nothing. 21:55

[@less5925]

I can't believe I like these type of stuff I'm so weird and smart nice video how did you get the prototype games?

[@randomnames6313]

I have a question, how did you use the .bin and .cue files?

[@randomnames6313]

like is there some sort of software you would recommend?

[@dizzydaisy909]

@@randomnames6313 ePSXE and PCSX2 can run them directly

[@randomnames6313]

@@dizzydaisy909 thanks

[@thethirdpurseowner]

Oh localization debug prototypes are cool. Nice. Edit: Wait, you’re telling me I can be thrown into a creepypasta scenario on invalid dates? Wow.

[@requiem165]

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[@requiem165]

Stopppppppppp

[@tomato5049]

Youuuuu haaaaave aaaaa Fuuuutaaaabaaa PFPPPPPP

[@nayutakes]

@@tomato5049 based tomato as always!!!!

[@fesyuki-kun2332]

Do you have a dump of the isos?

[@bubbletea_]

They’re pretty easy to find. Most discovered prototypes can be found on Hidden Palace’s website, if you read the description. They’re also not in ISO form. They’re in a BIN and CUE file format.

[@fesyuki-kun2332]

@@bubbletea_ thanks man great video

[@johnS98102]

@@bubbletea_ How did you make the BIN and CUE files into iso? I keep getting an error saying file not found path: IsoFileSystem

[@bubbletea_]

@@johnS98102 i just had the bin file set in the iso select menu.

[@johnS98102]

@@bubbletea_ Alr thanks

[@Destanyxoxo]

Original thumbnail gang

[@nanowithbeans2511]

Persona 3 before it was meant to start feels like uncanny valley, and playing after the end is some eternal punishment levels of creepy!

[@ouiVEVO]

You mean "p a o t o t y p e"

[@ThunderMelon]

So feel free to say "No you didn't" but I remember I actually saw a listing for that exact Persona 3 Beta Disc on eBay in like 2015, nice to see it got preserved

[@serphvarna4154]

Persona 3 starts 15:25

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

persona is definitely not influenced by jojo not even once

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

wink

[@implozia1360]

Idk I feel like you are a lil wrong in that prototypes aren't interesting. I mean... Look at the most sought after demo in the Pokemon community, the Spaceworld Gold/Silver demo. And that demo shows how the game took a 180 from the original concept when it changed directors as well as unreleased designs we theorize that made it into spiritual successors or somewhat remained into the final game. You never really know what you find and channels like oddheader also prove that easter eggs also reside in finished games or demos too.

[@tailsprower8118]

22:34 oh cool, the start of a creepypasta

[@JohnHunt-bo8ug]

First

[@redhood7778]

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