PERSPECTIVE BASICS III: ELLIPSES

[@gsdc1268]

Everybody gangsta until they freehand an ellipse

[@Adrian-wd4rn]

Freehand ellipses are pretty easy.

[@kym966]

freehand ellipse in a perspective box

[@Adrian-wd4rn]

@@kym966 Yes, that's even easier.

[@slimnics]

hahahahaha

[@yoyolol22]

Adrian I hate you

[@lordbeerus3383]

I saw this a year ago and didn't get nothing because I wasn't advanced enough. A year later I finally get it after learning a lot from studying from other sources

[@moderndayjames]

congrats my friend! Keep up the good work :D

[@chrisjordan3493]

That’s kind of how I feel. I’ve been following along and it mostly makes sense. I definitely know how other videos can help piece new info together. Do you have any suggestions on other sources?

[@alfiemarshall9224]

Chris Jordan drawabox.com

[@hellomint4028]

@@nutellanuts9321 I recommend just trying out the previous video's exercises and doing at least 5-10 excersices. U should get what this video is by then

[@bgx3232]

What is the God Of Destruction doing looking at perspective videos on KZbin?

[@pune434]

My stupidity failing me to understand the perspective lesson in the class brought me here. Finally I could understand what my professor trying to say. Thank you for making these videos!

[@althea5265]

Your vids are perfect for us intermediate folk that are stuck in that twilight zone between amateur and advanced intermediate! I have been following the advice you've given us in these vids and needless to say my 3d forms and understanding of perspective have increased in quality tenfold. These techniques have helped effectively catch mistakes I was previously missing. Many thanks!!! You rock, dude!!!

[@renookami4651]

The use of multiple colors make it so much easier to read. I can hardly imagine how confusing it would look like as monochrome. xD I'm glad this series was recommanded to me by someone on an art Discord.

[@TheBlackParadeHasYou]

JAMES! This is INCREDIBLE I'm furious I didn't find these series of videos until today. This is going to sound like an exaggeration but I am honestly so moved seeing how you are able to transform simple shapes into three dimensional objects. I've been struggling with art for YEARS with all my work looking so flat and listless and 'floating' on the page or canvas. Nothing seems grounded to anything and everything just looks very wonky and off. Everywhere I read just said to 'practice more' which didn't feel like it was helping because I was just reinforcing my incorrect way of doing things. I did a tiny bit of perspective work in school but hated it and tossed it to the side for being too hard and beyond my capabilities while feeling like an idiot in the process. Seeing how you explain it in easy to understand terms while illustrating it one step at a time has opened my eyes on how it actually works and how everything 'sits' in three dimensions. Again sounds ridiculous but I feel so relieved that I might finally be able to tackle perspective and massively improve my work I am getting a bit teary. No more weird flat faces with floating features. Plants and animals that actually sit on the page. Backgrounds I have been too daunted to attempt. Hell literally anything it feels like once I get a handle on this the world is my oyster! Thank you so so SO so MUCH for taking the time to make these videos I'll definitely be checking out your patreon in the very near future!

[@jessicaraven9367]

I just wanna say I really love you. I have really poor focus & I appreciate your short but straight to the point videos

[@NLLHW]

Just stumbled across your channel. I'm an architecture student and enjoy sketching a lot in my free time, and this series is giving me a much better understanding of the underlying forms that construct what I am seeing. Awesome stuff.

[@shishenliart]

Where were you when I started 8 years ago? Damn. This is juicy stuff right here. Thanks for doing this.

[@AnnSnowfrost]

Oh yessss!!! The vanishing point determines the direction of the minor axis is exactly what I've been looking for!! Thank you so much!!!

[@jellsart]

How is it possible that you have such low view ? Your content is fantastic ! Thank you for sharing !

[@moderndayjames]

Thanks so much! The channel is only 2 months old but im workin' hard to build it up!

[@jellsart]

moderndayjames i cant wait to see how it will grow. Keep going !

[@furrrevayoung]

Its from Scott Robertson's book

[@dreamlord8863]

@@furrrevayoung 😂

[@met4mage]

@@moderndayjames at least you already have your place in heaven

[@viniciusdeoliveira171]

"The minor axis is allways in the direction of the vanishing point" I think that trobleshooted my weird ellipses. The tricky thing is guessing the correct degree of inclination when drawing in a loose way.

[@thesteelshow433]

Nearly four years later, and I just found these tutorials. These have all been extremely helpful, and I've been literally getting great results after 2-to-3 attempts! Maybe all I needed was a little bit of a perspective shift! (pardon the pun). Thank you so much!

[@jonathansolis8296]

im an artist of about 10 years now and ive honestly never enjoyed anatomy or perspective until these videos! some of it comes naturally for me but im seeing how many fundamentals ive missed...big help, thanks!

[@RafaelBrasilLeapharz]

Thank you very much! I've been studying perspective for some time now using Scott Robertson's How To Draw book and this video helped me to understand some concepts.

[@PhillipP93]

I slowed down the video to .25 speed to catch some things I didn't understand about the drawing process, and my God, I can't stop laughing...

[@dasmerlin6106]

wow, I'm so glad I stumbled over your videos while I was searching for help with perspective. You helped me a lot, thank you! Now I'm no longer terrified when I think about perspective because it'd seem too complex or frustrating.

[@shawnwalker7027]

Thanks for your videos, they’ve definitely been a great help on learning to draw cars! I’m finishing up on Scott Robertsons book combined with watching your videos, now I am fully understanding how to make these cars in Perspective! Thanks man, your videos were a great help!

[@larryglatt2548]

Great stuff, yes. One suggestion I would have, it's personal & I know you are not making a fortune from doing these, is that the numbering system be more organized by what the lesson type is such as Perspective I, II etc & Structural Anatomy I, II etc. Thank you for very informative videos. Yes, I have Subed

[@moderndayjames]

Thanks for the suggestion! we'll be updating the channel this week so we'll make sure it's more organized

[@larryglatt2548]

Oh wow, thank you for the quick response. I look forward to the updating.

[@johnshore839]

Note: The minor axis of the elipse or wheel is always at 90 degrees to the major axis!

[@RnioBB]

7:27 This view is called wireframe. The first conception of 3D CAD applications was based on the wireframe view and then involved into the shaded view. Nice videos

[@sergiomuriano6634]

dude i was so bad at perspective but with your videos and practice from them and more exercises everyday i learn a lot and understand so much. Thanks you so much!

[@erunooo]

mannn this is really helpful! I know to myself that that I I'm not advanced enough to get all of this because I'm still struggling with rotating cubes ,but man I'm always strugling with the ellipse whenever a do the loomis method and this vid enlightened me

[@kentclark1969]

Just a bit of clarification for some who are not yet familiar with this: The Minor Axis of an Ellipse (or a Circle viewed in perspective) aligns with the orientation of it (the direction it faces). Keep in mind that this rule only applies to Circles viewed in perspective, not Ellipses themselves in perspective.

[@lordzavulon666]

EXCELLENT insight on the curves and vertical lines. That was always my main weakness with drawing cars in perspective. Thanks.

[@Well_away]

Really helpful thank you😄

[@Jayantea]

I quit reading Robertson's because It had became very hard to understand, this is helping a lot thanks

[@treefrog4693]

Im crying cause I have no idea what is going on

[@montez.youtube]

wild how public education doesn't automatically include advanced drawing because paired with my calculus classes in hs would have been super fun. I was already a dweeb for math but drawing being prioritized would have given me more context and something to explore on my own.

[@darrenfromla]

the hardest part is getting the ellipse right and you don't address that. what is it aligned to? That's my big question

[@SheigonSheffield]

Can you do more exercises like this? but drawing others things like a human head or an arm, etc. (Sorry for my english)

[@benjiroantazo3534]

Or make one of your own

[@djdjdjwjhehdi]

fine i will do it myself

[@kingkyrie6474]

You are my master!!!. Hey one question can i apply that to a human body, for example 3/4 view or different angles

[@stanislasnicolau2412]

that's actually quite mindblowing, tanks for the tutorial

[@vasilivros4166]

The car seems like some advanced shit, but on the other hand you're only using techniques you already taught before, so it just seems hard, but not impossible/magical. Gonna try that in Krita and see how it'll work for me.

[@justabout6979]

How'd it go?

[@EreneyMc]

I don t know but you have your way to make me love more the constructive part in a drawing. Thank you for that cuz I love to expand my ideas by learning to draw from imagination.

[@uber1015]

Smart man! thank you for sharing this process.

[@shaikameershameer7150]

Subscribed. One of the best masters.

[@kirmor2055]

Thank you for this! Truly art life saving.

[@denzelgonzales3854]

Deym, I still find this hard 😂

[@jordanweaver9658]

cubes are the answer, take up the drawabox cube challenge and ascend to a form god.

[@utfkygkuyh4386]

@@radjax2574 Thanks baby

[@vaggelisroussis3656]

So glad I discovered your channel. Your content is fantastic!

[@domgreco7]

Thank you for the valuable info. Great work. 🙏🏼

[@artistankit8945]

Wow.... Really helpful video.... Thank you so much

[@albertrzeszutek2645]

Hello, Thank you for your great videos. They are really helpful. I have one question. At 2:59, why does the minor axis go toward the left vanishing point and not towards the right one? Thank you 😊

[@jenelynbacasnot3448]

Thanks for sharing your knowledge.. this is great and helpful especially for industrial design student like me.

[@dcrbdh]

man, glad I found this channel. Great stuff

[@shahidhassanboni3555]

Moderndayjames you are Love.

[@anzatzi]

Great presentation. Imo--it would help to a slight pause after significant steps so the viewer can take it in. Thanks for helping me dig into this

[@JulianAlvarado777]

Such a useful guide! Thanks a lot for doing this videos!!!

[@chiragswamy5072]

Limiting the movement of the paper for the video is doing you good man. You are ripping straight lines in every angle!

[@userGGG702]

thank you sir , thank you for sharing.

[@secretsdelost]

My shape of my car looks like it's from the 60s but I almost got it perfect! Thanks a lot James these are some great tutorials

[@theprisoner3]

Hey James, I'm a bit confused why the minor axis of the ellipse at 2:51 heads towards the L.V.P and not R.V.P...

[@Hoboart]

Love your Lessons

[@axel9546]

Can u make a tutorial in which face Planes method is best? Loomis, Relly etc :)

[@moderndayjames]

I can definitely make a video on this, I can't necessarily say which is best since i think thats a subjective matter, but I'll give my opinion

[@harima40]

hi! great tutorials keep them up! just one question. you mention that minor axis always goes to the vanishing point which is true but I think there is room for confusion in your one point perspective example where you layout elipses on the ground. their vanishing point -minor axis is the perpendicular to the ground since they are on planes that are looking up. not the one that goes in depth. in the particular example the two axis just happen to line up . correct me if I am wrong ! thanks!

[@jamesbutler5995]

Is this the preferred way for the beginner it just seems really complicated to me thanks for sharing!!!!

[@tacticslc4805]

Ok question time, a square is 90° and a 90° ellipse aka a circle fits perfectly into a square. Does that mean the degree of the perceived square is in direct relation in the naming of the ellipse's degree? Like a 50° ellipse in perspective is within a 50° square? And if I'm wrong then how would you determine the degree of an ellipse? I can't see any other way of measurement

[@althea5265]

Yes, that is correct! The orientation of the square is the same you would use for an ellipse

[@utkarshrathore4246]

We want Ancient day James

[@SILCIllustrations]

Bro sounds like that one art student that really knew math

[@Bunny-wg9sn]

OMG. this is what I needed to learn

[@jerryhall5709]

The minor axis isn't always in the direction of the vanishing point. It's the reason I'm still confused. I can draw an ellipse and find the minor axis by dividing it into equal parts. In extreme perspective it doesn't always align with the vanishing point. Close to the horizon line, yes. Far above or below it, no.

[@darrenfromla]

i don't understand something. At 3:03 how can you have the minor axis aligned both to the left vanishing point and the right?

[@benjiroantazo3534]

Do you have a class for advanced drawing?

[@dalbilconstructionwoodmarb4497]

diffucalt thing makes you from easy thing thankz for your good drawing .......

[@flowerbloom5782]

So basically the minor axis is measuring the angle of the rotation of your ellipse facing the vanishing point? Like the reason the circle getting smaller cause it’s rotating in perspective. We call the minor axis cause it’s getting smaller. Mean while the major axis will always be bigger cause it’s not the part of the circle being rotated?

[@sanjaydathan5123]

Awesome mate

[@HuutDylanProductions]

These are great! Thanks so much!!

[@vinaysindhe]

Hey james, i have a question. Is there a way to determine the exact angle of the ellipse based the perspective grid which you created?? Thank you

[@ThePpyrosa]

Why are the other videos "private" ?

[@kaustavsood2107]

Could you do a video on the cone of vision and it's applications? Thanks!

[@tommytrieu6277]

Thank you for this lecture :D

[@ROGUESPIRIT_]

how long should i spend practicing whats in the video before i move on, i have "how to draw" by scott roberson and find it easy to make a rectangular prism by placing a horizon line and 2 VP but when i want to create a rectangular prism at perspective i have chosen i find it extremely hard...

[@althea5265]

Just follow along! Draw with him, pausing the vids along the way if need be. That's what I did, I mostly spent about 20 mins per vid

[@ironpalm8798]

Good tutorial 👍👍😊

[@JohnSmith-es2fh]

just a little moment, Scott Robertson was using perspective grinds for some of his objects in perspective, and so was you to? im asking cause i haven't seem the same as in his book

[@drendelous]

this one is pretty hard to follow though the two previous videos were easy..

[@kittywhiskerz1018]

THANK YOUUUUUU THATS WHAT IM SAYING! I love love love his videos. But he ran through this way too fast. ;_; I've redrawn and scribbled out just the 4:00 (roughly) lesson part. I've been trying for two days, hours at a time. ;_;

[@grungemax]

Thanks James

[@jamesw9559]

I like the beats.

[@andrewcheng2852]

Hi James, thanks for making this video. Quick question, how did you mirror the line to the other side without drawing a diagonal line to the center at 5:32？ Did you estimate or did I miss something?

[@tiscs9870]

For anyone who has the same question: he creates the ground plane, and finds the middle by connecting the corners (the cross in the middle). The trick here is that the line on the right side of a plane he created earlier (the vertical one at the front right of the car) already goes from the corner to the middle of the new plane. So he didn't draw the diagonal line, because it was already there from something he drew earlier.

[@lucycrabtreeart5581]

These videos are amazing and so easy to understand, I’ve been puzzled by perspective ellipses for ages. Cannot thank you enough!

[@anzatzi]

MYD--@1;33, you aree just guess-timating the square, right?

[@unicorns537]

Yes he is comfortable with guessing but beginners should always put their points to start off

[@elijahkim1885]

Are you supposed to just freehand drawing a perfect circle in perspective (standing up) or is there some other method?

[@lilyofluck371]

TL;DR: No, you're not expected to freehand a circle in perspective at this level. Though, you should always be striving for it through practice because art is as much a physical challenge as it is a mental one. "supposed to" is kind of a misleading descriptor. You _should_ be trying to get to that level, yes. But, are you "supposed" to be able to do that? Well, "supposed to" implies that you have the ability to do it and aren't, which is the case because of the fact that you are asking for alternatives. If you're having trouble, just practice a _lot._ draw badly and quickly because eventually you'll start to get the hang of it. Digital art apps usually have some form of ellipse tool, but I find that they hardly ever have the energy and intrigue that just free handing it has. Remember: perfect isn't necessarily good

[@elijahkim1885]

@@lilyofluck371 ok thx!

[@dijyy]

Ok so this series is for people that already started learning it elsewhere. I see.

[@maxi9982]

2:49 I tried many times but can't get it right

[@maxi9982]

@@radjax2574 thank you !

[@mudchild9033]

Wow. So good

[@Harpoonland]

ah man this is so cool

[@adamszczesny2646]

Hi James! How do you know, that, the rectangle you just drew in perspective is square? I mean: If every rectangle (trapeze, romboid etc) drawn in perspective is a representation of a square, then how can you draw rectangle that is not square in perspective?

[@worklifedraw9255]

Adam Szczesny I wondered about this too. This only applies for 1 point perspective. As long as the edge that recedes into the distance is shorter than the front edge, (making any rectangle), placing an ellipse would define the convergence of that 1 point perspective. An ellipse in a flatter rectangle would mean u are viewing the cube in 1 point perspective with a zoomed lens, hence the flattened depth. In a 2 point perspective the convergence and lens is defined by the distance between the vanishing points while in a 1 point, depth is more arbitrarily determined by deciding the depth of a square/ellipse

[@adamszczesny2646]

Thanks for your reply, but It doesn't convince me. If it was true, than every rectangle sharing the same convergence lines would be squares but viewed from the different camera angle. This can't be true, think about railroad tracks. Depending on what high is your view point you can squeeze a several sleepers until the distance from the first is greater (in your POW) than the lenght of the front edge. It doesn't mean that the distance between every pair of sleepers in this group is equal to the length of the sleeper. I dived deeper into this topic and I've found a solution for 2 point perspective: www.architecturerevived.com/how-to-draw-a-perfect-cube-in-perspective/ It is indeed very complicated and for a regular draftsman doing it every time you want to draw a cube is a waste of time, but hell, you got to know where does it come from when you want to teach peeps. No disrespect to James, he's doing a great job teaching Scott Robertson's techniques for free.

[@worklifedraw9255]

yes, for 2 point perspective you would need a fairly complicated process to accurately determine a cube since the convergence/lens type is defined by the distance between vps. Its only for 1 point perspective that any rectangle can be a square depending on the convergence. if u draw a single rectangle on the ground plane, and drop and ellipse into it, u can treat that as a square and every other rectangle is measured relative to that. So lets say u draw an ellipse in a fairly flat rectangle. Project forward towards to camera enough times it will visually start looking like a square. An ellipse in a flattish rectangle is simply a zoomed in view of a square far in the distance near the horizon line. Im not saying every rectangle in a scene can be regarded a square. What Im saying is once you pick a particular rectangle to be a square, you will need to to draw and foreshorten everything relative to that initial definition of a square. To be clear, when I say convergence, I mean the lens type, is it a wide angle or telephoto etc...Im not referring only to the 2 lines to shoot towards the vp.

[@adamszczesny2646]

On a second thought, you might be right. 1 point perspective seems to be much easier than the other methods. Thanks for explanation!

[@harima40]

What's a square in perspective (let it be 1pt or 2pt perspective) is linked with the distance of the viewer looking at that square. as known as the Station Point. If you start a fresh drawing and you decide randomly on a square you are basically committing to a very specific distance of the viewer looking at that square (SP). There is a formal way of locating all this stuff and I would suggest you do your research on formal perspective if you are interested. If you just want to eyeball it keep in mind that the shorter this square looks the further away the SP is. in vice versa the longer the square looks the closer the SP is. After you decide on your square everything on the drawing will behave to that. So if you want a longer rectangle you reference the square as your measuring system and you act accordingly Hope that helps!

[@Trishpaytaxes]

I followed part one and two but i cant follow along with this one because there's too many constructions lines I cant see anything and I have no idea where to draw my next line 😭

[@mycollegeshirt]

wow... so cool.

[@rokompoljdj]

Request for future videos, the how to render book covers castshadows. I find it even more confusing then the how to draw book. Videotutorials help me way more... any chance for a future rendering series?

[@moderndayjames]

this is definitely coming soon!

[@punkandrockgirf]

Thanks!!

[@charlie1872]

That was brilliant, an extention of Scott Robdrtson's technique. Can you dmonstre further how yo woul sketch a car from a phto model or in situ to thecfinished sketch? A big ask I know but I didn't go to school for this and I have so many questions. Thanks very much

[@IamALeaf]

damn thats pretty sick

[@fe.1]

This is gonna have a part 4?

[@moderndayjames]

I'm not certain just yet because much of what I would have wanted to cover in a part 4 was covered in my "BECOMING A GI" series. Particularly in part 2 :]

[@fe.1]

thanks for answer my question.

[@bardosgamers3774]

best vídeo

[@lucastonondossantos5636]

Cara seu canal é um dos primeiros melhores de desenho que eu conheço, más tem como colocar legendas em português??

[@lifeisfun7391]

Grt work

[@elvin8196]

1:15 how did u know that line would make a square in perspective an not a rectangle? is this just down to instinct

[@loganjohnson4801]

wooow it looks like your drawing in 3d

[@Bushrasew]

Any book u think will help

[@charliecao7208]

How do i know if the shape is a square in perspective?

[@lilyofluck371]

this question fundamentally makes zero sense because 1: perspective is a fundamental in art that tackles 3d forms 2: a square is a 2d shape and thus has nothing to do with 3d. Did you mean, "how do I know if something is a cube in perspective?" The answer is quite simply look at it. If it looks like a cube you would see irl, then it's _effectively_ a cube.