Peter Attia Reveals His True Thoughts On Vaping, Alcohol & Nicotine

Dr. Peter Attia describes his thoughts on vaping, alcohol and nicotine. What are the risks associated with vaping? Are there any amounts of alcohol that are considered good for you? Should nicotine be demonized or embraced?
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[@ChrisWillx]

Watch the full episode with Peter Attia here - kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4OtYWp-rsR-sKc

[@mattappleton3399]

As a 10 year alcoholic, the low quality sleep is one of the worst parts of the addiction. 4-5 hours after passing out, I'd wake up and be tired as hell but couldn't fall back asleep for at least another 4-5 hours of laying in bed feeling like shit. It's exhausting and there's no wonder why the shit ages you prematurely.

[@JoshB_17]

I get good sleep when I drink and when I don't for while most days I get bad sleep

[@talksick508]

I quit smoking 15 years this august! Alcohol 2 years ago this July And weed 2 years ago this October Don’t miss any of it It’s no good

[@pf4186]

Nail on the head with the alcohol comments. I was a massive weekend drinker until 12 months ago when I got a Garmin and learnt about HRV and tracked my sleep. Giving up drinking was a no brainer. I now run marathons whereas I used to struggle to run a bath on a Sunday.

[@kameafourstar1037]

Can you go more in depth please with what your heart rate was drinking and the sleep heart rate compared to it normally and what you learned that stopped you from drinking entirely?

[@mikeunsworth775]

I think he's spot on about the rise in sleep trackers making us aware of alcohols effects. Ever since I saw it increased my resting heart the day after I reduced it, and now I'm 3 months without it and feel better!

[@nolan_8]

Awesome, same with me regarding Cannabis. When I smoked my sleep was around ~6 hours and there was less deep / REM. As I sobered up, my sleep instantly began hovering ~8 hours with better REM. I still had restlessness throughout the night (probably withdrawal symptoms) but it has gotten better in just a months time.

[@staceyharvey2750]

Way to go! You’re awesome!

[@diegoplanes7183]

When you compare your sleep with or without alcohol it is indeed a real life changer. A massive eye opener. That shit purely destroys your sleep.

[@richardmiddleton7770]

What I only recently learned, is how much even 1 drink can affect you!

[@mattbarber2056]

I wasn't even a heavy drinker and I totally agree with you. My heart rate tracker has opened my eyes to alcohol's effect on my quality of sleep.

[@iBeKaLee]

I cannot believe I just recently discovered Chris Williamson. I wish I would've came across content like his or people like him in my life while in my 20s. We need more men with a platform like his. If you all have any people, let me know.

[@SWRfrfr]

Andrew Huberman, Jordan Peterson.

[@PrestoJacobson]

Kati Morton, Huberman, Secular Talk, Sam Harris, Majority Report, and Andrew Gold? I listened to Attia before he made his podcast pretty much paid-only.

[@suleiman1520]

Adam Lane Smith

[@djVania08]

​@@PrestoJacobsonI was listening to Attias podcast too. To me it feels like it has lost some sort of juice. But maybe you're right that the juice got hidden behind a paywall... I don't knoe

[@imdwgsolol]

Yeah it's great stuff, informative and inspirational. I'd love to do something similar but I don't have the courage like this guy lol

[@PursuitofExcellence32]

Wow! This video came at the right time. I've been sober now for an entire week after getting drunk consistently every night for the past 3 years now. Sleep was very difficult for the first day or two but once your mind adjusts to falling asleep naturally, you'll feel so relaxed and in the morning you'll wake up feeling extremely rested. I drank because I told myself I couldn't sleep without it but now I can see that it was the one thing preventing me from getting good sleep. Make the change, it'll change your life!

[@grantwlms]

If you look at the science, alcohol makes yours sleep 60% worse and prevents your brain from fully recovering.. which is why we sleep in the first place. Alcohol significantly decreases natural melatonin production for multiple hours of your sleep which stops you from actually getting any meaningful deep sleep. If you did this for any longer you would have some pretty bad long term side effects from your lack of ability to fully recover. People think it helps them sleep because it knocks you out but that couldn't be further from the truth. I used to drink all the time too but it's 100% best to keep it to a once per week thing.

[@nickmasters8474]

Hope you stick to not drinking! Good for you for giving up the booze!

[@amandaburleson2035]

i know a solution for you, drink early in the morning and dont over do it! i sued to think that i had to give up alcohol 100% to sleep good, now i know that i just have to keep it under control and drinkn early in the day to get it out of my system at night,

[@dave9547]

Good work! Keep it up:)

[@rockyevans1584]

An entire week? Jesus dude

[@lohengrin4009]

I recently gave up vape because it’s basically treated as smoking in Hawaii, the legislature has tried to ban it several times over concerns the industry caters to minors with flavored products. Apparently, lawmakers have never walked past the cotton candy flavored vodka at the supermarket. Nicotine patches don’t produce the blast, it’s more of a cruise.

[@yeetdeets]

The cruise is great though. It's what I'm looking for. Great for productivity.

[@MeanBeanComedy]

Try snüs or gum?

[@NGC1433]

"cotton candy flavored vodka" Is it legal to sell it to minors in Hawaii? I thought people of age under 21 are not allowed to consume alcohol in US... Or you are just speaking out of your ass??? Of course you are. Why should it be treated like anything different from smoking?

[@LifeWisdomTV]

Well then, thank the legislature for keeping you healthy!

[@lohengrin4009]

@@LifeWisdomTV according to a UK health study vape is 95% less harmful than smoking, I’m pretty sure that would provide better outcomes for most people who aren’t going to give up nicotine. Alcohol gets a big pass in society because hypocrites like to get elected too.

[@richyneung]

I quitted smoking and turned to vaping for 3 years and finally free from this habit , I think it's habit rather than Nicotine itself , during vaping the health looks pretty much better than smoking I could start short running from that moment , and now I run 2-3 times / weeks , thanks for Vaping

[@VinnyDubs]

Brilliant information I agree with everything said here!

[@jennh2096]

To me, vaping is kinda like how we use suboxone or methadone for heroin addicts. It's safer than using the street drug, and it curbs withdrawal symptoms, but it's still an opioid, just a cleaner version. Vaping to quit smoking is the same thing.

[@janvyachaslav5903]

Peter Attia is always full of quality advice. Great talk.

[@Lieutenant-Dan]

Hmm I don't know about that, I kind of stopped watching when he said he was all about nicotine.

[@dame7526]

He literally said nothing about vaping. Just he doesn’t trust it but can’t explain why

[@markb3786]

@@Lieutenant-Dan and you would be correct.

[@flyingnorseman]

I smoked for 10 years. Quit and got myself in very good shape over another 10 years. Started smoking again and immediately was unable to do my mt bike rides for fitness, Felt like I had a weight on my chest. I started using Juul to quit smoking. I know its bad for me but Im just as capable of riding my bike using the Juul as I was off smoking.

[@macfin4862]

+1 for the sleep tracker and alcohol link. Put the impacts of a few beers in to focus

[@murflem1]

Started vaping about 10 years ago to get myself off cigarettes. Vaping was still very new, not many people knew about it, so I was one of the first (at least in my area). About a year and a half ago, my health started to rapidly deteriorate, and in Feb 2022 I was diagnosed with leukemia. Three rounds of chemotherapy, one stem cell transplant, and a long year of recovery later, I am finally starting to feel normal again. No family history of leukemia, and otherwise I was in very good health. Now, there is NO PROOF that vaping lead to my condition, but I wouldn't be surprised if it did, and I definitely won't ever be vaping again. Not worth the risk people. Take Care.

[@sleepinggiant333]

Wow ! Thank you for sharing. I'm over the Moon happy to hear that you survived such hell.

[@subliteral1380]

First, that sucks that you got sick, and I'm sure that it was horrible for many reasons. Second, it's wonderful that you have recovered! What I wanted to say about your comment is that if you smoked cigarettes before you started vaping, then it's really hard to tell if it was the vaping or the smoking that ultimately was the problem (or neither). Nonetheless, the best way to reduce your risk is to do exactly like you said and stop vaping OR smoking.

[@murflem1]

@@sleepinggiant333 Thanks a lot, much appreciated!

[@timchristopher6337]

Jabbed?

[@CleM-sp3xv]

For how many years had you been smoking?

[@dakotasimon3445]

Vaping saves lives. When you said you don’t see a point in vaping, the entire purpose and reason vaping was created was to help smokers quit cigarettes. And it is extremely effective at doing that. I smoked for 3 years and quit cigarettes in 4 day thanks to vaping. I’ve been vaping 5 years now and have had zero negative health issues. Not only that, I feel much better than when I smoked. The question should not be “is vaping safe”, even though it is, in my opinion. And I will also add that not only is vaping safer, after many years of study, vaping has been found to be 95-98% safer than cigarettes. However, you are correct about nicotine; it is not the problem.

[@Logan_Patrick8]

Zyn saves lives…the metal is the vapes is just as toxic

[@dakotasimon3445]

@@Logan_Patrick8 you’re speaking nonsense. Do you even know how vaping works? Do some research before you start spewing incorrect information all over the internet about a technology that literally has saves MILLIONS of lives, including my own. Zyn is a good product also, I’ve seen it work for people. However, vaping has and will continue to save way more lives than Zyn ever will..and it’s not even close. I’ll tell you how vaping works. There is a wicking material (usually cotton) wrapped around or inside of a heating element (a coil), usually made out of Kanthal or Nichrome wire. The cotton is soaked in eliquid (made up of 2-3 base ingredients plus flavoring, all safe for human consumption and is consumed in food already). The heating element/coil is heated up with battery power, thus creating a vapor that emits from the cotton and coil. The metal is just there to heat up the eliquid that is soaked in the cotton. The metal/coil does not emit smoke itself. It’s simply there to heat up eliquid.

[@unknown-vo3di]

​@B1ue1agoon zyn is good but burns some peoples gums which I'm not sure if it leads to recession. I would say swedish snus is probably better than that not the white portions but the wet ones

[@dennisgordon7767]

Great stuff

[@nextgenmillen]

I know it's tough to quit nicotine, but you can do it. Take that surge of energy you get once the cravings hit and channel it into your personal development. Whether it's physical exercise, learning a new skill, or listening to a self-help audiobook... the cravings will subside when you distract. And you'll come out a better version of yourself. Try it today.

[@yeetdeets]

Switch to pouches as an intermediary stage if you have trouble quitting vaping or smoking. The nicotine takes a longer path in the bloodstream, slowing the lag between consumption and it hitting the brain, which makes it less addictive and habit forming. Pouches also have barely any negative side effects (loss of membrane on lip and gum) in case you choose to stick with nicotine but not be a slave to it. Nicotine in of itself does not harm your health.

[@littleleuca]

Make one of those self improvement books 'the easy way to stop smoking' by alan carr. It has helped millions of people quit smoking snd drinking.

[@jonnyhatchman687]

I absolutely felt no different after quitting vaping for a year

[@vnanjun1]

You want to draw a difference between smoking, vaping and taking Nicotine in through other delivery mechanisms i.e. patches, gum etc. Nicotine has a known beneficial effect in neurological health in small quantities. It has a positive effect on memory and cognition. As Attia articulated well, it's the delivery mechanism in cigarettes and Vaping that is severely damaging to humans

[@nextgenmillen]

@@littleleuca Thanks for sharing!

[@ThatBoi1995]

Great take from Peter. Juul exploded in my college right around when I was 20-21. Knowing myself it was inevitable that I would pick it up at the time. Im only using on the weekends now but it is such a shame point. I eat healthier than anyone I know, I powerlift, and have a background with triathlons. I will get this done but our generation got absolutely F'd when young america had almost quit nicotine entirely.

[@yeetdeets]

Bro if you are only smoking on weekends, just quit. You're not addicted.

[@rogerc23]

You poor victim

[@AP-qu2li]

You knew it was inevitable? So you knew you were too weak to resist it and instead of overcoming that you gave in

[@jennh2096]

It is sad that your generation had really dropped the rates of smoking among teens. Vaping was originally made for smokers to quit smoking, then it just became the new cigarette for people who never smoked, while being advertised that it was safe

[@rogerc23]

@@jennh2096 LMaO 😁 You believe advertising in this day? Why are people so dumb. Let me guess you believe big pharma ads too and think side effects don’t exist. Let food by thy medicine and don’t eat crap.

[@AsifLicious]

Vaping is much safer than cigarettes but I wouldn’t call it safe either. I personally had periodontal issues related to vaping. Since quitting, I have noticed a significant increase in my cardio and a significant decrease in my resting heart rate

[@TheBruceKeller]

One of the most cited(100s of times) peer reviewed studies from UPenn only did their study on ~20 subjects and used one single brand of disposable e-cig, and it was some no-name Chinese brand you've never heard of before. Definitely need more quality studies, preferably advised by someone actually knowledgeable on vaping that can have them test different voltages/watts etc.

[@grazzitdvram]

if I remember right they also improperly used the device, they straight up "cooked" the wicking material during the tests which nobody who vapes would be able to handle

[@MeanBeanComedy]

@@grazzitdvram Yeah, they burned the shit outta the wick.

[@587583922]

There are no combustible products in modern vape devices so long as your wicks stay saturated. There's no reason to believe it's completely harmless, but neither is breathing the air in an urban or suburban area. Every study not funded by a pharmaceutical company has concluded that vaping is at least 95% safer than smoking. In other words, it's probably not worth starting compared to another method if you want to add nicotine to your life. But, it is unquestionably better than smoking. And as a side benefit, switching from smoking to vaping doesn't feel like quitting. It just feels like you forget to smoke. After which, smoking is no longer a positive experience.

[@MK4vDubbin]

I’ve observed some unique, bigger picture issues with vaping: 1. Lots of kids, teens, adults picking it up that normally would not have picked up smoking. 2. The liter especially from disposable vapes like Elf Bars and alike is insane. Go to any urban area they’re all over the sidewalks and God knows where else. 3. I work with several people currently that quit smoking cigarettes years ago, took up vaping and haven’t quit but want to. They both said they found vaping more difficult to quit because of the habitual aspect and how convenient it is to vape compared to cigs which leads me to…. 4. Most people who vape are doing it practically all day because it doesn’t have the repercussions smoking a cigarette has in your house, business, car, etc. I’m curious as to the effects on health and addiction are from ingesting such high levels of nicotine over the course of a day.

[@brushstroke3733]

Your reasoning is exactly why I never switched to vaping to help quit smoking. For me, 90% of the joy of a cigarette was taking a break and going outside for ten minutes to smoke one. I reasoned like you did that if I started vaping, I could just sit in my house and do it all day long, without breaks. I reasoned that would make vaping even harder to quit than smoking. Not to mention vaping doesn't carry the social stigma, the bad smell on clothes and taste in your mouth, etc. So I let myself smoke until I felt ready to quit, and then just stopped. When you're really ready, it's not that hard. You just have to make it through the first day, and then you know you can do it. Taking long walks helped, and I started those probably a year before I quit.

[@grazzitdvram]

Vapes generally have fairly low concentrations of nicotine because it feels quite harsh on the throat in higher quantities. Its part of the reason why someone who vapes tends to be hitting it constantly because it's a fairly low amount in comparison to a cigarette. Also you start getting the runs and nausea long before you would reach some dangerous level of nicotine, almost exactly like you'd feel from smoking too many cigarettes in a row. The concern is what the constant exposure to propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin in vapor form will do to the lungs at high doses over years. They're both FDA approved food grade additives that are also commonly used in smoke machines, but there really isn't a study on what breathing in that vapor consistently for 10+ years will do to you. There are only 2 other ingredients that should be in the "juice" nicootine and fda approved food flavoring btw.

[@MK4vDubbin]

@@grazzitdvram All excellent points. That’s a big problem with the whole safety debate. There is the team anti-vape that shells out baseless propaganda, but you also can’t say vaping is safe because we just don’t have any long term data on it.

[@grazzitdvram]

@@MK4vDubbin yup, but i'm still pretty sure it's healthier than setting fire to a plant that's treated with chemicals and sucking it down. At least vaping contains only 4 ingredients that are just vaporized. This hatred for vaping is just weird and I mostly think people just don't want to see it which is the stupidest reason to restrict freedoms. /rant off

[@yeetdeets]

@@grazzitdvram I wouldn't trust the FDA on flavorings which go in my lungs.

[@LK-bz9sk]

Peter is right about becoming more aware of alcohol downsides with sleep trackers. I also have drinks earlier in the day, stop by 3pm and drink a lot water and have lean protein before going to sleep. I am not a social drinker and never drink away from my home

[@AtechG35]

Maybe try stopping instead of making reasons why you shouldn't. Idk life's hard.

[@LK-bz9sk]

@@AtechG35 are you my shrink? Oh thats right. You’re a stranger offering free advice. And as usual stuff that costs nothing is worth nothing. Thanks for playing playa

[@ZeriocTheTank]

Some of us are well aware of the effects of alcohol, but also don't consume it to the point where it's a huge issue. There's absolutely nothing wrong with an occasional indulgence. A lot of people in the comment section are speaking from the perspective of former addicts.

[@paulyoung3504]

@@ZeriocTheTank ...Spot on.

[@ohara3762]

I f*****g love vaping. I can live without it (sort of), but I really dont want to. Grape flavor elf bars are heaven, lol. I smoked cigs for a few years in my 20s but now think it's super gross and would never go back. I got into vaping for a couple of years but quit because of all of the hysteria. Im waiting for a real excuse to go back... Im a health nut otherwise. The doctor drew video on vaping and 95% safer then smoking study is almost enough for me to go back. I just love it. If Peter Attia signed off on it, I'd be ordering a crate tomorrow, lol. Thanks for grilling him on this, Chris. Hopefully, he will give us the green light soon. Huberman seems to be part of the moral panic on vaping unfortunately 😕

[@dionklmr]

Totally Agree, Health nut here as well. Can't stand Huberman's view... Brent Stafford on Global Forum on Nicotine, is doing a great job. My story is similar to yours. Social smoker in teen years, then in the army, and now from 2020 until this day vaper. Freaking love this thing, although because of all this madness regarding quitting substances I managed to vape only when i had my coffee or even go days without nicotine, just 0mg dessert type e juice. Even if i'll stop let's say for 4 weeks to bring back my baseline dopamine levels (even though i vape 3mg) I don't see myself as a quitter, like never putting it again on my mouth. I don't want misery in my life, and not getting high from time to time in the safest way for me is a slow death

[@cashblaster3475]

I never understood how people even start smoking as long as they don't get dragged into it as a young teen. It just seems absolutely disgusting and unpleasant with no upside.

[@rogerc23]

No upside? As opposed to what other addictive drug?

[@overtblowfish4439]

Guys get into smoking and drinking in the military that's one reason

[@vincer7824]

It's really a cultural thing imo. Started smoking when I was 12. When I was a kid my Dad would smoke a pipe or cigars sometimes. They were pleasantly aromatic, especially the pipes. A lot of the movies I watched had actors smoking. It was something adults did and when you're young often you mimic the actions of adults. For me there's something vaguely seductive about the way the smoke twirls, dances and lingers on the air. Back in the day there was some kind of camaraderie among smokers. It also presented opportunities to talk to women, namely outside of bars before smartphones were invented. Tobacco can have a taste similar to coffee or very dark chocolate. Rich, bitter and complex. Lastly, like all drugs, it gets you "high" to some extent. Nicotine can be very relaxing, especially since your basically doing deep breathing while smoking.

[@jennh2096]

My dad started smoking in his mid to late 30s after going on a backpacking trip with his firemen buddies who smoked cigars. He only smoked cigars for awhile, and then got to where he would smoke one of my mothers cigarettes when he didn't have a cigar. Now he only smokes cigarettes and rarely cigars. Funny thing is, he always hated my mom smoking before he started. Nicotine is a drug, plain and simple. It's addictive just like heroin, but it's legal and was much more socially acceptable before the 2000s

[@harijeevakumar2218]

Marketing

[@joshuafuryon7874]

I have been vaping for 14 Years now , and making my own liquids for the past 8 years, very basic chemistry very basic ingredients, nicotine in a vegetable glycol solution concentrate, vegetable glycol and propylene glycol then just add the same flavorings that are used in everyday kids sweets and drinks, all made in Britain or France, strictest food controls in the world, use an app to work out your ratio and all good, went from not being able to walk up hills without having to stop for breath, to running 5 miles every morning , working out , judo and ju jitsu changed my life.

[@osigano]

I also think the whole rise on the gut microbiome field gave objective data on the long-term impact of alcohol on this central powerhouse.

[@13odman]

Nicotine truly killed my drive in life. Nicotine is hijacking your reward system and you will be less likely to seek dopamine from positive things in your life. I've gone down this road for years and years and the best course of action is to raw dog reality.

[@JoJoJoker]

Yes

[@dorotejadnb]

Exactly, nicotine kills motivation. You get the reward (dopamine) without needing to work for it.

[@martint.1538]

Basically look after your body , mind and Soul. Everyone knows deep down what is good for us. Eat the Colours of the rainbow, Less sugar and alcohol and stay fit. Easy solution x Peace and love to everyone x

[@thomasbrown7328]

As a wellness obsessed physician and a regular listener to Attia’s podcast, the Drive, I am shocked to hear him state that he uses nicotine! Beyond the anxiety inducing withdrawl from nicotine there is evidence that nicotine ITSELF can lead to cancer via increased cell proliferation, micronuclei formation, angiogenesis, genotoxicity, chromosomal aberrations, etc. (source T. Sanner, Frontiers in Oncology, 2015). Sure maybe not yet proven in the most pristine prospective double blind human trials that nicotine gum causes cancer, and sure the harmful effects of the gum are less than smoking cigarettes, but as a risk obsessed longevity concierge physician Attia should at least acknowledge that there is evidence pointing towards harmful effects of nicotine ITSELF.

[@MattFromSMM]

“Nicotine causes cancer” is such a trope. There were plenty of studies and papers debunking what you’re saying doc. Dig deeper and stop looking to cherry pick data.

[@wecanjump7512]

Shocked me as well. I'm not a doctor, but if a substance is used as an insecticide, I'm pretty sure it's not safe.

[@DanielDurham121]

You’re drawing conclusions from one study when there are many more showing nicotine to be harmless. There’s an entire class of receptors in your brain called “nicotinic” receptors. It’s a safe and effective nootropic

[@thomasbrown7328]

@@DanielDurham121 Got any references for me please? I quoted a review article in a peer reviewed journal- that peer review article compiled data from 98 separate papers. I’m not saying there are not some cognitive benefits to nicotine but do those out weigh the potential harmful effects?

[@wecanjump7512]

@@DanielDurham121 Yes, nicotine is an effective nootropic. So are amphetamines and caffeine. But there are no free rides, every drug has a cost to benefit. Nicotine (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, doctor) can raise blood pressure, inhibit the healing process, and effect stress hormones. If it said insecticide on the vape cartridge (and it is) would you still feel safe? I don't mind people weighing out the cost to benefits of any drug. I, myself, used to dip while I was in the military to stay awake. But I have a real problem with poison being marketed as safe. *I also disapprove of amphetamine prescriptions for minors. Whomever sold the public on that idea should be hanged.

[@gavwan]

'E-cigarettes are 95% less harmful to health than tobacco' - Kings college hospital. Our tobacco lobbyists aren't as powerful as in the US.

[@vincer7824]

That's interesting but I do have consents as there are no long term studies available and it's not easy to find "responsibly manufactured E-liquid", especially in the disposables. Most of it is Chinese made and Lord knows they don't have the highest standards.

[@gavwan]

@@vincer7824 That's the thing with fairly recent products, you can't have 50 year studies lol. However the manufacturers do have to list ingredients here. I treat it like alcohol in the sense that I wouldn't buy cheap vodka from a market stall with an unknown label but sticking to larger brands, they have reputation and money to lose if they add ingredients they shouldn't. For context, it helped me kick cigarettes after 20 years but it's not something I'm passionate about.

[@vincer7824]

@@gavwan Yes of course on the lack of long term data. As far as helping you quit smoking that's awesome and is clearly a better option. Happy for you.

[@GOATMENTATOR]

You are wrong - EU tabacco lobbyists are extremely strong. They have banned the sale of Snus in EU for decades(except sweden ofcourse). Snus is almost harmless and could save millions of lives in a long run and it is obvious to anyone who has done even minimal research about this. Currently this ban has been kinda bypassed with fake synthetic snus but this still doesn't make sense since real snus is pretty much better in every aspect than fake synthetic snus (nicotine pouches). We have to go through different illegal loops to get fresh real swedish snus shipment in EU countries if we can't go and buy it in Sweden

[@gavwan]

@Fenwick Chick You'd have to Google the King's College London studies but that's overall and not surprising with the number of toxins like formaldehyde in burning tobacco. As for the headaches, lower watts, less nicotine and make sure you stop after a few minutes like a cigarette.

[@MrAnderson234]

As someone who has been on and off nicotine in all forms for over a decade, I have the strong opinion most are not equipped to handle the downsides which I believe massively outweigh the upside. In general, I'd say stay away from it entirely

[@johnnyrayh5858]

Such a hassle and waste of money. So glad I quit. It’s kind of just a useless addiction with potential to harm.

[@Anon.G]

There is very little harm from nicotine itself. Nicotine itself is more heart safe than caffeine.

[@mikea22875]

@@Anon.G Nicotine causes your blood vessels to constrict or narrow, which limits the amount of blood that flows to your organs.

[@Anon.G]

@@mikea22875 literally every stimulant does this. Are you suggesting that exercise is unhealthy because it also causes blood vessels to become narrower? Let me tell you, it sure doesn't reduce blood flow to organs

[@mikea22875]

@@Anon.G I’m gonna trust the ncbi website instead of you. Also, my body functions much better without it. Take care.

[@grazzitdvram]

This guy is quite right that he doesn't know enough about vaping to comment on it, first off vaping when done correctly burns nothing, if you burn the wicking material or have hot spots on the heating element (spots that are not in contact with the wick) that's a bad thing and the vaper will immediately detect the difference because its quite unpleasant. 2nd there is legislation in all the states of the USA on what you need to do to be able to create the "juice" which straight up requires a lab quality clean room with legislation constantly marching towards stricter and more expensive regulations to meet which is likely going to make the product even better but its also how big tobacco is just positioning themselves to be the ultimate winners. The vape itself is basically a really small fog machine and operates the same way with a combination of vegetable glycerine and propylene glycol heated to produce the vapor with the addition of fda approved food flavoring and nicotine. The sketchy part is that while we're pretty sure those fog machines are safe, we really don't know what sucking on a fog machine daily for years is going to do

[@rikmichaels9233]

The youth are the biggest pervaders of reducing alcohol use. It’s weird the worse drug for us that makes us emotional, violent and sick is so beloved and accepted

[@Caneyhead123]

Regularly Putting stuff other than air in your lungs is likely going to have negative consequences.

[@robs1714]

Broke my ankle 3 weeks ago, stopped all alcohol to not get in the way of healing….my HRV use to be in the 100-120s when I would “have one before bed” nights … now? 50-90’s

[@Samuel-bu7xr]

A majority of flavoring chemicals are FDA approved for consumption in foodstuffs, not to be metabolized through the lungs. Theyre anything but safe products.

[@tommyrq180]

If I drink after late afternoon I get zero deep sleep on my tracker. But like caffeine, if I drink earlier in the day, and by drink I personally have one “normal” bourbon in a Glencairn, I still get good sleep. But I only drink on my recovery days from cardio training (cycling) as I’m fairly focused on getting faster (am a bike racer) and alcohol inhibits my work/recovery efficiency. My own experience only. ☮️

[@ohara3762]

Thanks for sharing. The drinking is a great cathartic experience for me. Im just hoping I can fit it in earlier in the day every once in a while to minimize health issues. Thanks again.

[@dant.6364]

I can’t understand why cycling culture (hyper-focused on marginal gains and supposedly health conscious) is so alcohol centric at races and other events.

[@tommyrq180]

@@dant.6364 Because drinking alcohol is fun. Cycling has mostly European roots where alcohol is part of the social order. So in the Tour de France you see champagne at the finish for many years (like in car racing). In the US there has been a recent trend toward beer drinking associated with cycling, mainly in mountain biking but with hipsters and millennials I’ve seen it be cool to talk about how you drink beer in association with riding. But to answer your question, cycling “culture” is human culture. And humans self-medicate. One might say it is as fundamental to the species as food, water, shelter, belonging, language, etc. So other than cultures specifically forbidding alcohol, human culture is most often alcohol-centric. Oh, and by the way, COFFEE is more a part of cycling culture than alcohol. Cyclists are coffee fanatics. And what is coffee but self-medication? Cycling training and racing involves a significant amount of self-induced pain. Alcohol helps with the pain. But I’ve never seen an alcoholic bike racer and I’ve been racing my bike over 50 years and coached elite cyclists for decades. I’m sure they exist because humans; but a true hard-core bike racer would never let alcohol get in the way of going fast. Just my two cents.

[@tylermears2671]

I just quit using nicotine lozenges after 3 years of use. My reason was reading online that they cause an increase in blood sugar levels, and can lead to type 2 diabetes. Anyone have thoughts or information on this?

[@joseph1845]

My theory would be that people are now generally more open to new ideas and are less attached to cultural norms, while previously people just saw alcohol as this normal thing, now people are seeing it without this cultural filter.

[@larrysandiego88]

Thanks to vaping I have not inhaled burning embers for twelve years now. Just flavored water vapor ❤

[@Ultrawide_Gameplays_Channel]

I vape heavily but just so you know it isn't water vapor you're inhaling. It's propylene glycol, a petroleum derivative. Personally I don't care. I need and love it. Just don't delude yourself into thinking it's water vapor because it isn't.

[@dionklmr]

@@Ultrawide_Gameplays_Channel Propylene glycol is a common food and cosmetics ingredient deemed generally safe by US and European food authorities.

[@DanRichter]

To be clear, nicotine is a horrible compound as well. I almost couldn’t believe that these guys stand behind it. Pretty much what I heard is the equivalent of “ethanol isn’t bad, it’s the other substances in the drink that’s bad, now I just consume pure ethanol”

[@chewby218]

What is it about nicotine that makes you believe it to be a horrible compound? What do you think it does to the body?

[@DanRichter]

@@chewby218 From a neurological perspective, nicotine use is associated with reduced dopamine signaling, which can lead to a range of behavioral and cognitive impairments, including anxiety, depression, irritability, and difficulties with attention and learning. Long-term nicotine exposure is also linked with an increased risk of dementia and Alzheimer's disease, as well as disruptions to fetal brain development during pregnancy. From a physiological perspective, nicotine use is associated with pronounced cardiovascular effects, including increased blood pressure and heart rate, which can promote the development of heart disease and stroke. Nicotine also damages the lining of blood vessels, making them more vulnerable to plaque formation and blockages, as well as contributing to peripheral vascular disease and aortic aneurysms. This is just a brief summary, the list goes on. Any perceived benefit tends to be from the perspective of an addict attempting to use logic to justify their addiction, which tends to be perverted; the risks far outweigh any potential "reward."

[@Anon.G]

​@@DanRichteryour comment is wrong on so many levels. First of all the blood pressure and heartrate increase is less than that of caffeine, next you have almost zero understanding of ANYTHING to do with dopamine. Any anxiety is not from dopamine, but either lack or Seratonin, gaba or increase in norepinephrine. Pretty much everything you say about dopamine is wrong and I can't even get into all of it. Lastly, nicotine actually does the complete opposite of what you said about dementia and Alzheimer's. It is actually significantly neuroprotective in terms of Alzheimer's and dementia. You are wrong on so many levels

[@DanRichter]

@@Anon.G Found the nicotine addict ^

[@Anon.G]

@@DanRichter completely wrong once again. I have only used nicotine a handful of times, we are talking less than 10.

[@nelsonraley]

Anybody know what brand of lozenge Attia is referencing?

[@sophocles8761]

missing a large component of the alcohol and sleep debate a glass of wine or whiskey may not have physiological benefits in promoting sleep but can help reduce anxiety and rest the mind - there is nothing worse then lying awake at night and getting anxious about not getting sleep I would argue that is outweighed by the alcohol sleep argument -

[@crisper1614]

I’ll smoke a pipe once or twice a month and a cigar once or twice a year. I like the hobby of pipes. And the flavor of aromatic tobaccos. I’ve gone months without smoking and don’t consider myself addicted to nicotine. Sometimes I’ll put herbs (not marijuana) in the pipe. I think in light moderation it’s fine.

[@Julius314159]

Nicotine is still a vasoconstrictor! How are his views on nicotine in line with his views on cardiovascular health if he's all about a blood pressure increasing vasoconstrictor?

[@rorynelson7548]

My memory became incredible after greatly reducing drinking beer daily

[@jJust_NO_]

what about oxygen? can you choose minutely what youre inhaling?

[@Rigpa88]

Whats the utility to chewing nicotine gum? Do you have it before a workout or in the morning to wake up? Or just chewing it socially to feel good.

[@JonathanWrightSA]

I do not consume a lot of alcohol, generally speaking. I do not drink during the week except very rarely, and only if I can justify it (A 'stressful day' is not one of the justifications). When I do drink, it is only the top shelf liquor. The saying "The cheaper the liquor, the more expensive the hangover" is DAMN true. I can consume many more units of high quality whiskey, rum, brandy, and even vodka, than I can the cheap stuff before I have to stop. The cheap stuff sends the alcohol straight to the head. You drink BECAUSE you want to get drunk.

[@mindfulnesswisdom]

Sounds like placebo bro

[@JonathanWrightSA]

@@mindfulnesswisdom I considered that, but I'm not convinced. You certainly don't drink Kilpdrift Premium (a bottom shelf brandy) for the quality or a refined experience. You drink it to mix with coke and knock yourself out. Van Rhyns 20 year old on the other hand...

[@bmatthews15]

I use a 3mg nicotine toothpick. I like to pair it with 40mg of caffeine in the morning. I smoked for 20 years. Nicotine in and of itself is not addictive.

[@BIGSHARKMAN]

I don't even think its very bad but to say its not addictive is blatantly wrong lmfao.

[@That_Cant_Be_Right]

It's too bad Peter didn't elaborate about nicotine. I'd be interested to know how it affects your body and how he takes it without becoming addicted.

[@zlocesti_djedica]

don't mess with nicotine. It is super easy to get addicted and the benefits are overrated. I am currently quitting cigarettes and nicotine and it is a bitch to quit.

[@yeetdeets]

The speed at which the nicotine hits the brain seems to be the main factor for how addictive it is. Meaning, how long is the duration from intake to appearing in the brain. With cigarettes and vapes, the nicotine is absorbed in the lungs. Blood in the lungs quickly go directly to the heart, then a portion of that blood goes directly to the brain. Takes literally a couple of seconds (2 to 5). With pouches and patches, the nicotine is absorbed in veins on the skin/lip. That blood then goes to the lungs slowly, then same path as above. Takes between 20 to 40 seconds. With gum, the nicotine is swallowed (only gums give burning throat sensation), then absorbed in the gut. Gut -> lungs -> heart -> brain. Takes between 30 to 60 seconds. I've used pouches for like 7 months. Roughly 60 mg nicotine per day. Ran out of pouches a few months back and didn't have any for 3 days. Got a headache first day which was remedied by 200 mg caffeine. Otherwise no issues at all during those 3 days. Could easily have stopped even on the 3rd day, but I started with my eyes open on the health side and nothing had changed. It's a valuable nootropic for me.

[@yeetdeets]

@@zlocesti_djedica Switch to pouches. Barely any adverse health effects. Way less addictive and you can probably quit easily a year after the switch.

[@hesmycat]

He is addicted. Anyone that uses it more than like once a week is addicted, and in denial.

[@mickeyredeyes26]

why would he use it if not addicted?

[@juanzavala9023]

Vaping & nicotine is WAYYYY better than psych meds.

[@Brian.8272]

I've been chewing nicotine gum for years, I'm glad he is ok with it

[@wonderman65]

Hardens your arteries

[@IVEdge]

@@wonderman65Bullshit. I've read the opposite. Show me the data.

[@TheTechnicalRecruiter]

Yes but drinking is timeless. While it is crucial to recognize the potential dangers of excessive alcohol consumption, it is equally important to acknowledge the positive impacts that moderate and responsible drinking can have. By fostering social connections, providing health benefits, promoting mental well-being, and contributing to the economy, alcohol can play a valuable role in society when consumed responsibly. As with most things in life, moderation is key - and alcohol is no exception.

[@aaronmcconkey1062]

I've been vaping since March - April of 2015. I'm 100% fine!!

[@Cymricus]

i’ll come back to this comment section in 15 years for an update to make sure haha

[@whoanelly-]

I am a pro vaper, even though I have recently decided to put it down. I cant argue with anything being said here. We just DONT know, and to the points he brought up. More about the repeated heating up of the element and any type of toxicity from it. Anectdotally speaking, lungs are in way better shape than when I was a smoker (smoked for 15 years, vapped for about 10 total). Arugably if you already WERE a smoker and you switched to vaping, it is my belief you ARE doing yoursefl a favor, and from that context I would say going from getting hit by a train to a trike. If you are NOT a smoker, dont do it period. I think that is just common sense. I would rather see a smoker convert to vaping, then hopefully and ultimately go to nothing at all.

[@jennh2096]

I think vaping just to vape is stupid, but vaping to quit smoking has got to be safer considering there are over 4000 chemicals in a cigarette. Obviously not inhaling any chemicals into your lungs would be best

[@GOATMENTATOR]

2mg/g!? Whole Scandinavia and The Baltics are in shock :D When many of us started snusing in middle school many of us had periods where we would exclusively us 20mg/g. Weakest mainstream snus in this region is 8mg/g. Anything below that is a niche product here.

[@G00N3YC4NG]

That's pretty hardcore. To get off of cigs I used Salt Nic at 25%, which was at least twice the 11-12% you get in a hard cig like Marlboro red or Winston red. I got lightheaded and would be floaty for a few mins, actually getting high off of nic even after smoking for 2-3 years consistently. It made me realize how the addictive nature of nic worked. You end up scaling infinitely if you intake those high amounts consistently. I ended up down to 6% regular vape oil, and am working on 3% eventually.

[@GOATMENTATOR]

@@G00N3YC4NG inhaling nicotine and getting it from snus is different since when you inhale it goes in your system in a few seconds. with snus the nicotine comes very gradually and consistently. So snus is more appropriate if you want to use it as a nootropic. I do have to agree with the infinite scaling :D. When I was in high school couple guys did some 'dick measuring' with Siberia snus - each pouch 50mg/g and they even used multiple at once reaching theoretical lethal nicotine dose :D. But they were fine since they had built a tolerance throughout the years.

[@nevengerencir5423]

I as a non smoker tried snoose. I was zoned out for a whole day. Worst experience ever. Don't promote that shit here as a nootropic.

[@jx2794]

I thought the sleep disturbance had more to do with upregulation of the neurotransmitter GABA in response to the ethanol. Although the aldehyde byproduct of ethanol metabolism is, indeed, toxic. Dunno, I could be wrong.

[@dz_ca]

Re:alcohol, really wish you would have asked him about some of the products on market now that claim to counteract Acetaldehyde (what I understand to be the toxic byproduct of alcohol metabolizing?). I don't think I have an alcohol dependency because I have no problem cutting alcohol for weeks at a time. However, I LOVE drinking wine and scotch and on average drink a half bottle of wine and couple ounces of scotch a day. I'm concious of how awful for my body it is, and it would be great if these products actually worked. They certainly point to lots of scientific studies to try and back up the claims of their product, but I'm not nearly educated enough to know if it's marketing bullshit or if there's real merit. I didn't mention the products by name because I don't want my comment to be characterized as promoting them... Edit - I should also clarify that I haven't even tried any of the products, because without having a trusted opinion on them I definitely feel like its a 'too good to be true' kind of thing.

[@Beans-great]

Didn’t know there were alcohol products that claim to counter the effects of acetaldehyde. Will look into it. I am a wine enthusiast and usually have it with my dinner. I drink lots of water after my two glasses and overall my sleep is good.

[@cowabungakev]

I gotta say, when it comes to vaping and the unknowns regarding the long-term effects is enough for me to simply "Say no" without hesitation.

[@Ultrawide_Gameplays_Channel]

soy

[@scottcrawford1104]

Once a week heavy drinker here (then don’t even bother with a single drink any other days). I find that I often wake up the day after drinking feeling very good. My mood is boosted, and it’s almost like the buzz is carrying over. I can only imagine that my biochemistry is facilitating this, but there’s also something to be said for the cognitive moral boost alcohol can carry over into the next day. I would like to see studies investigating this. Of course, it can go the other way too, and I feel irritable, lethargic, and often times sick.

[@MrDunkyg]

Similar, think it's because I'm still a bit drunk and carefree the next day. It's two or three days after that the downsides and withdrawal moods come in.

[@user-qy6yn4kl8d]

Never heard a doctor endorse recreational nicotine before. It's a powerful drug, it has a lethal dose, unlike cannabis. Not sayin he's wrong, was just surprised. It's incredibly addictive. But I do like his balanced approach to wellness. Life must be enjoyed to make it worthwhile.

[@irrelevant2235]

That was a shocker for me as well. During this interview, he admits that it's addictive and yet he endorses it and even takes it himself?!

[@aheadandapen]

Omg how terrible, it's the end of the world, we are all going to die... Jesus you guys need a chill pill

[@senshai1267]

Alcohol also aromatises testosterone into oestrogen … it’s hilarious how achohol is kinda known in the media as a sign of masculinity and yet it’s what changing out hormones

[@ruffastoast8570]

I don't drink for ages, sometimes months, over lockdown I didn't drink for two years. I'm not getting these benifits people are talking about. I don't even feel shit the next day after drinking, maybe there's something wrong with me. Coffee doesn't keep me awake either.

[@MrAckers75]

In the uk vaping is very standardised and regulated not sure if it’s the same in the us.

[@DJake78]

The suppression of hormones by alcohol is also very measurable.

[@psychopsycho3]

I’m very surprised to hear Dr Attia express little concern for the effects of nicotine itself, given the ways it impairs and alters mitochondrial function! I can’t square that circle at all. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@supakhan23]

yeah it makes me less trustful of his other opinions.

[@martinlutherkingjr.5582]

Why people are insistent on inhaling heated random chemicals is confusing. A person can ingest mind altering substance through other routes if they want/need to.

[@Alendi11]

Anyone know what kind of watch peter Attia is wearing?

[@MrVirly]

Silly question, but there's a benefit to nicotine?

[@62Cristoforo]

What about pure tobacco? I’m smoking organic American Spirit, supposedly free of the three pages of additives of triple-hyphenated chemical compound names I can’t even pronounce.

[@dannygeurts1921]

Nicotine iss the last of my addictions. I had to quit smoking 3 years ago, COPD. I still vape, no 6 bronchitis and no 3 pneumonia's a year. Is it bad? Probably. I'm trying to transit to pouches only. Many countries try to ban or restrict vaping, maybe they get paid by the tabacco-lobby or are the taxes too profitable.

[@djmileski]

Is it ok to drink till 1:30am? I mean as long as you don’t start till after 3pm, That’s obviously healthy right?

[@JohnWilson-cy1ge]

Alcohol is poison, yet it's promoted all the time. Should be treated the same as smoking

[@denyhoudy2085]

Not everything can’t be looked at risk/reward .

[@jamalmcdaniel3339]

Drugs, alcohol, and nicotine fucked mt heart up. I quit vaping after i couldnt breath and my chest was hurting. Mind you im someone who hits it constantly

[@kajwaverider9353]

This guy sounds like Eric Andres smart brother

[@stevecatanio8532]

So many questions.

[@jamesalexander3893]

Most of us need something to get through life. We can't or don't want to lead a perfect middle class life. You may have seen some of Jordan Petersons videos telling you not to touch alcohol. Guess what - it turns out he is/was depressed and was addicted to painkillers. Lesson: don't give advice you can't stick to yourself.

[@yoyoyowhity]

Lol Jordan Peterson wasn't addicted to pain killers.. He was on a prescribed benzo for anxiety and came off of it and experienced extreme withdrawal symptoms.

[@sylinify]

benzo's not painkillers

[@george46light]

Oh and the Order of Man (by Ryan Michler) channel of course.

[@nix123ism]

If you want to stop smoking cigarettes, just stop ..... I smoked a pack a day for 25 years, decided to try quitting when I had to spend 1 week working in another city, I thought a change of circumstance may help me, after that first week which was admittedly hard, I returned home and havent smoked cigarettes or anything else for 3 months, dont even feel the need to....

[@Robert-Downey-Syndrome]

What happens if your vape alcohol?

[@pio7763]

Alcohol is bad 😮 i'm shocked. Good people getting to know this mysterious knowledge.

[@saniadams401]

For those interested in the nicotine product mentioned, I believe he's referring to the brand "ZYN"

[@JoJoJoker]

Velo

[@spitalhelles3380]

I'm a fan of nicotine gums too but I gotta say it doesn't hit like a vape

[@MissteriousMisstress]

In Australia $1 is a gold coin- I laughed. 😅

[@eram92]

Why is It always the industries fault? What about being raised right? Or getting educated on your own? I feel like everyone can and should do whatever they want with their own body.

[@maxgodfrey1483]

took a fat blinker while watching this

[@marccadenelli4033]

Anyone know the brand of nicotine he’s referring too

[@werunguns]

This is the reveal we’ve all been waiting for. After 70 years of conclusive results, what’s his take on it?

[@robertdepesci3418]

Doesnt Nicotine cause heart disease?

[@plisskin83]

He determines vaping is too shady, he loves Nicotine but can’t cite any particular brands. It may seem unrelated but one thing COVID taught me is that even the most credentialed medical experts advice should be vetted thoroughly. I dislike most all longevity experts because the true objective seems to be the delusional modern iteration of shooting for immortality. So you’re starting from an irrational space to begin with. Much better to focus on the significant harm reduction from vaping which is already well documented. Living to 90 to 100 most likely is not in the cards for anyone including podcasters.

[@stanlevox2291]

Nicotine is great, lots of benefit. Just need a better delivery system. No titanium dioxide in the gum or no burning sensation on the skin with the patches or whatever else is in there transdermally.

[@matttherrien9608]

So you're saying that's a hazardous component the gum? I've never heard of that.

[@stevenpassow]

How about cigars?

[@Cymricus]

I do wonder if vasoconstriction like happens in caffeine and nicotine is the same for every person. I would think someone with poor health and nutrition history has a higher risk taking drugs like those.

[@yeetdeets]

I use nicotine pouches as well. Volt Deep Freeze. 12.5mg per pouch, 21 pouches per box, about 3$ per box. Helps me be a productive programmer and doesn't affect sleep the way caffeine or moda does. Basically no downsides except some loss of membrane on the inside of the lip and on the gum. Nicotine in of itself isn't harmful, and while it is addictive, the addictive properties are highly reliant on the speed at which it reaches the brain. Vaping and smoking makes it hit the brain extremely fast, which is why they are so addictive. Chewing gums, patches and pouches take much longer and IMO are barely addictive at all. I'll probably quit or take a break when I start bulking in the gym due to the reduction in appetite.

[@vincer7824]

How different is that experience than chewing tobacco or gum With the nic gum I disliked the acute throat itch and having to spit the liquid consistently (admittedly it was probably too high a dosage for me).

[@yeetdeets]

@@vincer7824 I don't personally get any discomfort in the throat from pouches, whereas I did from gum. Might just be tolerance, but with pouches you don't try to dissolve the nicotine in saliva and swallow it. You just let the pouch rest under the lip and it gets absorbed into the blood vessels, kind of like with patches. It's also like 1/10 the cost per mg of nicotine. Gums are expensive AF.

[@vincer7824]

@@yeetdeets Hmmm. Got it. Yeah the gum is near highway robbery. Thank you for the swift reply.

[@radosaw4616]

Lol they should do a study on me vaping since I was 13 and I'm 23 smoked cigarettes here and there at parties but never brought a pack but I vape all day long also there's elf bars geek bars etc are terrible they make me cough and have a blocked nose after 2 days use addmittably I used 2 in 2 days but I use 20mg nic salts in a sub ohm coil and never have any problems but I'm curious how my lungs are also I smoke tons of weed everyday so idk