Peter Boghossian coaches Corey Drayton on how to speak with the Woke

Peter Boghossian teaches Corey Drayton techniques from his book How to Have Impossible Conversations in order for Corey to use them when speaking with his Woke friends in Portland.
We filmed this in late 2020. Pete is immunocompromised, so we played it safe and did the coaching remotely.
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[@RePlaylist1]

Wow, he nails what it's like in the corporate world. I graduated near the top of my class, but along the way I earned an internship at a Blue Chip. This opened doors to nothing but Blue Chips and these are where you are to be steered, but only as wallpaper, not really climbing in your career. If you aren't the raving caracutures they expect, you won't be advancing, and as incentives became financial they have flooded in black women in particular which compete with you, not just because they are using skin color, but the mentality they are looking for. Those that advance are in newly created positions that suddenly lack requiring any spread sheet skills. Even below average performers are moved into management over you. So, in the end, no one is better off when wokeness erodes a business, trumps merit & competence.

[@westfieldartworks8188]

What Mr. Drayton is saying is just spot on. My Nephew in law is a writer in Hollywood, and he is FULL WOKE. Interacting with him is horrible. Thank you for bringing Corey Drayton on... much appreciated.

[@erikkovacs3097]

How woke is he?

[@GenX4ever]

@@digital.jordan woker than woke. He's a wooky!!

[@airgunningyup]

@@erikkovacs3097 super woke people will call you a racist for buying popcorn at a movie theater.. Walk out of resturaunts for percieved slights, refuse to shop at most stores, it becomes impossible to be around them. They wont attend any event with known republicans .etc.

[@user-wp8yx]

Did this advice help you talk to your nephew? It sure didn't help me talk to my brother. I was told that in his experience people who asked us to questions are racist.

[@BlueShoe25]

@@user-wp8yx caution trying something new in general, like all the preparation needed to get an A+, some things don’t come naturally and/or take longer than we’d like but effort usually pays off. Hard work beats talent 9 times out of 10 😅 hang in there.

[@147salsa]

I work in film... About 6 years ago I started having positive conversations where I planted a crap ton of doubt 😂 On numerous topics I just couldn't stay quiet! But I definitely love this technique! Getting them to actually think these ideas through is hard but pays off most of the time. I have ppl from a show I did a year ago call me up to say begrudgingly that I was right. Kept 3 sets of parents from putting their 10-14 year Olds on puberty blockers ... It's painful and slow but it's definitely better than keeping quiet!

[@alexjones7845]

Three separate parents? That is truly insanity that so many people have nearly done so much damage. I live in southern CA and have woken up plenty of people from general leftist dogma but it can take years. I mainly try and just ask them questions about their views so they have to support it logically without just name calling their opponents. I typically point out where they are wrong and provide them evidence and then they resist and want to change the subject. I probably make too many statements though, which might slow down the process and cause the backfire effect.

[@147salsa]

@@alexjones7845 yeah 3.... I live in a massive city and a Hollywood hub and it is EVERYWHERE. I definitely like the questions. I also have occasionally said something along the lines of... well if you haven't don't the research it's kinda pointless to continue this conversation. Other ppl have helped too as they discover something, are shocked and share it

[@machtnichtsseimann]

@@147salsa - I can relate. It was a personal growth step for me to discern much quicker how a conversation with a ranting Woke person was going nowhere fast. Why waste time with someone not listening, not engaging in dialog ( two people conversing, not only one preaching ), and not respecting my voice in the matter. I have asked questions, though not enough. Yes, I leaned more on counter-points, "evidence" and stats, but maybe it planted a seed or two of doubt. Keep up the good work!

[@machtnichtsseimann]

@@alexjones7845 - Good for you in being persistent! I'm with you...should ask more questions than making statements. Keep up the good work!

[@machtnichtsseimann]

I VERY MUCH AGREE. Better than keeping quiet. Good to know that someone in "The Industry" does speak up and contribute to true Diversity. ( Amazing how superficial the Left can be in terms of just hiring enough "colors" and "sexes" makes for "diversity". It was when I immersed within the Left that the Diversity they were talking about was just a thinly veiled version of the Right that only wanted versions of their own thinking and no one else. Just insular tribalism. What makes it worse is that the Left prides itself on how open and "diverse" they are. BS. )

[@ddoghfx]

I like the tools that Peter is supplying. One problem, I have watched a lot of his videos where he is speaking to people (including Ivy League students who are supposed to be bright) and they very often will not allow for any circumstances or conditions or new information to change their positions. I am reminded of a Mark Twain quote, "It is easier to fool a person than convince them they have been fooled." That quote may be very applicable to the way people get their information it also points to the fact that most people are unwilling to be swayed by facts.

[@jackdeniston6150]

'The gift of doubt' It absolutely is, and such a powerful perspective to come from.

[@JasonBrockStick]

Every time I hear Corey speak - I am deeply impressed and learn something that makes me a better human!

[@Vorgaloth]

Peter is doing great work in helping us with these Socratic tools of civil conversation. Share this with family, friends and social groups.

[@edgar9651]

"Don't bring up facts". That's very interesting. And as you say it obviously doesn't work. There is a lot to learn here. Thanks!

[@perknsmerch4824]

If you think about the meta of this video it’s wild. Man 1 coaches man 2 how to have a conversation with coworkers on culture associated with his own background. How wild is it that a black man might feel adverse, or like he could lose his job, if he talks about his personal feelings or experiences that go against what his coworkers think the culture is.

[@DFMoray]

It’s sad that this video needs to exist. Shows you how far off the deep end we’ve all gone. The tides are finally turning though. We won’t feel the effects on the street level for a little while though.

[@ronalddepesa6221]

Love Street Epistemology!!! The original book taught me: -Modeling the doxastic open attitude myself -Disconfirming/defeasibility questions -confidence scales and creating doubt -Socratic Methodology -Motivational Interviewing -back fire effect In 2015 sitting in a hospital waiting room waiting for my girlfriend to get an XRay (we thought she had a blood clot in her lungs P.E. but she was fine). In the seat next to me was a soft cover of 'A Manual for Creating Atheist'. I picked it up, started reading and was immediately hooked. I eventually joined the Face Book groups run by Anthony Magnabosco and I was off to the Street Epistemology races!

[@Lurch685]

I remember an interview with this man a while back. I’m very happy to see he’s beaten his cancer and is still doing his thing and speaking out.

[@bertrandrussell894]

Corey comes across as an exceptionally open and even tempered, decent person. For my part I am sorry he has experienced the sorts of bigotry he has described.

[@wiseonwords]

@Bertrand Russell - That's a very thoughtful response. I agree. I admire your reasonable and humane positions on many topics, Professor Russell. ;)

[@Ozark_Viking]

Nice use of alter-casting

[@Jay-ru3hx]

Great video! Interestingly, I started doing this out of laziness. I knew all the data, but I got tired of doing other stubborn friends' homework for them. I would spend hours learning about a topic, reading about it, looking at data, and talking to people only to discover that I was always faced with emotional reactions to something a person "felt" was true (that they held with some strange confidence). Maybe they saw someone on TV making the claim or heard it from their college prof. So instead of trying to convince them of a different thing, I adopted a mindset of simply planting seeds. Something that would inspire a person to look more into the topic (like the number of whatever race shot by police), to do their own homework ... late at night when they are bored and don't feel like they are in a debate. A time when there are no "I told you so's" or lost face. A good byproduct of this is that they may learn something I didn't know and share it with me ... Instead of just regurgitating what I told them to someone else like they originally did to me. Now we both have more to chew on.

[@sethfreeman8745]

So valuable. Warm thanks, Peter. Warm thanks, Corey.

[@interestedpart2650]

Excellent & Very informative!

[@adamblackman6660]

What a great listen. These tools are golden!

[@YTgrounder]

THANK YOU!!! I needed this information so badly. I especially appreciate the technique to engage the other persons individual logic without engaging the defensive emotions. I fear it will take a significant effort, personally, to be able to implement these strategies but I think it will be worth it (if not required). Thank you Peter Boghossian.

[@donastreetman5427]

Nicely put.

[@NastazyaPhylipovnaTchornaya]

Brilliant.

[@plaidpaisley5918]

Love Corey. Seems like such a genuine person.

[@melissaradaker1128]

Such an instructive role play!

[@artemkatelnytskyi]

Forget about woke people. I just learnt how to handle a disagreement in general.

[@SineEyed]

Yes, apparently this technique can be applied generally..

[@amedeoavogadro2788]

I had my first exposure to Corey Drayton yesterday and this morning this video popped up. He seems like a really good guy.

[@RePlaylist1]

Can recommend long time YT, Rippaverse, Eric D. July.

[@woodb51]

I had my first exposure to him yesterday and I’m duly impressed.

[@human.imagination]

Everyone should watch this as a workshop. This is happening in all industries as we speak.

[@TheKalluin]

I find this video so encouraging. For far too long I felt I had to win the argument but it was against my nature. My strength is conversation not debate and this has really uplifted me to trust in my nature. Really I don't want to fight anymore but I am totally against wokeness. In the end I would rather win a friend than win an argument. Thank you so much!

[@16m49x3]

My issue is that these days the cult gets new topics from the mass media, and suddenly everyone around me has adopted some insane opinion they are virtue signaling about. There's really no way to argue against it, because this opinion they adopt is completely new and concocted. Oh there's a deadly virus going about. Where? Says who? They said it on the news, don't you watch the news? Why are there flags everywhere? Well, it's pride month Why? Says who? It just is. ???

[@LeonCouch]

very little is usually accomplished by political arguments on strongly divisive issues, beyond providing entertainment for believers of whatever point of view. we rarely win such arguments with facts and logic. it's in true discussions with trust and good will that some distance towards truth or the good can be really made.

[@QuirkyAvik]

Everything that the speaker taught are things customer care can benefit from in calming down or engaging a irate customer. These aren't just for dealing with 'woke' people, very useful techniques of probing and deescalating being taught here. I hope other see this information in more than 'dealing with woke' context. Thank you for sharing this information.

[@LeonCouch]

agreed. this is about persuation to use evidence and rational thought. I see it in terms of rhetoric & philosophy of the ancient Greeks and historicaly a thread through Western education until recently. it could be used with the far right, the far left, or really anyone.

[@skunk_artworks45]

Goddamn, this is good. We need more videos like this!!

[@human.imagination]

I was producing shows in NYC between 2009-2015 and I would call this stuff out not really knowing what was happening. I got to a place where I just believed everyone in showbiz wanted me to be woke… without really saying. I wasn’t as strong as this guy was. I’d love t get back in the industry and create good shows. Perhaps I should…

[@LiMortacciSuaSempre]

Bet. Glad I got out of N.Y. modelling ind before all this crap but as a Gen Xer in N.Y. still learning. Guess you watched Peter's guest Dr Lyell Asher's presentation already on where all that nonsense came from. Blew me away cuz finally I knew what it is, the roots of it and how it started.

[@user-tc7lb6rr4r]

Bro, You should, these people don’t own you, your thoughts or your ability to be in a industry you love. It’s the same in London, not quite as bad yet, but it’s there, and they are ruining the experience and environment that makes the Buisness exciting and fun.

[@karamlevi]

Daily Wire Ben Shapiro’s company is doing some of this.

[@Mercybeat74]

These are some great tools to have access to. Thank you for the discussion.

[@annal2740]

This was so helpful. Thank you.

[@nielsww]

This approach can be learned by reading "Never split the difference" by Chris Voss which is the book about hostage negotiation that he took these ideas from such as calibrated questions etc. It's a very good negotiation book that can be used in basically any context as this video shows.

[@karamlevi]

Chris is woke btw. I’m pretty sure.

[@justanordinaryhuman]

Going to watch this multiple times

[@karenkendrick]

You just laid out all the mistakes I made last week in a debate about gun control. Thanks for this video. I have never been great at debate I spend a lot of time in crafting a proper fair responses full of evidence. I am going about it all wrong. I just need change my plan from changing minds to creating doubt.

[@allosaurusfragilis7782]

Yes I've fallen into this when attempting to engage with conspiracy theorists. Stating facts and expressing my astonishment that anyone could believe something I think is absurd does not change anyone's mind....the opposite in fact. Interesting.

[@JR-yx3po]

Corey, I thank you and HaShem for (finally) entering my sphere. I so admire you.

[@davidgardner4779]

I really appreciate this conversation. Sincerely. 🙏

[@Robert-ck7nm]

Great segment! Peter's advice for Corey will be helpful to others. And Corey is a charming, thoughtful benevolent person. It's sad we will in a world in which people like him are demonized. Carry on!

[@nicholasmosley8707]

This is interesting because most of the techniques being used are from Chris Voss’s book. On hostage negotiation. Kinda tells you who we’re dealing with. Who or what is the hostage in this case?

[@pbziegler]

Boghossian draws on Voss' book.

[@nicholasmosley8707]

Any relation to Zelda Phillip?

[@FG-wn6re]

hostage is themselves

[@bpj1805]

Ideological possession. They are hostage to their ideology. You're negotiating with the ideology.

[@designforlife704]

I work at a big pharma, director level. I'm absolutely desperate to discuss this in more depth. I honestly don't believe people understand just how bad things are. My colleague, with an outstanding 22 year performance, generating incredible growth and demonstrating outstanding leadership, missed out on his biggest promotion (director for Europe) because he missed one diversity module. But it was really because he's a white guy. The company made 18 executive moves last year, all were non-whites.

[@RePlaylist1]

I am someone similar to Corey and would discuss my experiences at major corporations going back to 1989 - 2019.

[@HostileTakeover555]

People have to keep ongoing records and evidence then sue for discrimination

[@porgguy4962]

PB coined the term Street Epistemology as a modernized Socratic dialog. It's absolutely a fascinating and very useful tool for discussing these closely held beliefs. Maybe the best one.

[@ronalddepesa6221]

In 2014 sitting in a hospital waiting room waiting for my girlfriend to get an XRay (we thought she had a blood clot in her lungs P.E. but she was fine). In the seat next to me was a soft cover of 'A Manual for Creating Atheist'. I picked it up, started reading and was immediately hooked. I eventually joined the Face Book groups run by Anthony Magnabosco and I was off to the Street Epistemology races!

[@oceania2385]

The title reminds me of the movie airplane, when Mrs. Cleaver shows up and says "I speak jive" Boghossian appears and says "I speak woke"

[@Traderbear]

I like the term social justice crusaders because it encompasses the religious/cult elements.

[@bigdaddyfilmmaker]

This is great stuff

[@LeonCouch]

This is a clear and useful presentation for numerous discussions with any extreme vantage point expressed by humans. Thanks for it!

[@matttorrence2900]

Corey is a cinematographer!

[@thelement3363]

Corey you have an awesome attitude and sound kind and confident. Kindly let em have it.

[@horizon8927]

Thanks Peter. Note that you should speak into the side of the microphone you are using rather than the top.

[@CH-sl1yd]

This is so helpful.

[@kimj5037]

Love the alter-casting technique. Playing to someone's ego is a classic move.

[@gonzobrains]

Classic Roger Dawson negotiation advice: feel, felt, found.

[@southernkei]

RIP to Corey Drayton's career, cause of death: refusing to be brainwashed

[@lorenfulghum2393]

more like this please. it's one thing to listen to reason and agree with it, but going to articulate it yourself requires practice.

[@RePlaylist1]

When the company suddenly started scheduling time wasting bridge building, they didn't say they were trying to get people to break an unwritten rule: no politics or religion talk at work. This was their excuse to do nothing but talk all day, but I would simply ask them, "you do see me?", this company hires plenty of blacks. They literally say, "not you, you're not really black." I say I am, what do you mean??? Well, you're mixed with something. I am not. And look at them. "You are the minority on the floor. Lololol!" (I point to the bay where almost every cubicle is a black woman). Crickets. How does this end? Suddenly they all need to be somewhere. They simply never answered me and I jacked up many because they liked to spend so much time in the break room, right next to my desk. Even where my desk was was a show for anyone getting off the lift.

[@stacypastry2440]

This is such a great project!

[@donastreetman5427]

I'm getting ready to go back out in the workforce, I would have a difficult time refraining my thoughts.

[@VrejHAI]

Here's a good hypothetical question about police shootings. What if violent crime rates for blacks was disproportionately higher? What if instances of fighting against police arrests with blacks was disproportionately higher, would that explain why blacks are shot or incarcerated at such a high rate?

[@becky7385]

The sjws say this would be proof of systematic racism. Circular but...

[@9xxxxxxxxx]

I bet you think Jim Crow and lynching were great forms of community service.

[@Mztbtc]

Wow this is so good for sales, as a someone who does sales for a living i approve!!

[@BenWeeks-ca]

Good to see Chris Voss ideas applied in this context.

[@paulstevenson1712]

Thank You, Bog Wan

[@jayhub1982]

Tool added to toolkit. Thanks

[@S1L3nCe]

28:15 The point explained in this segment is precisely why having public debates or public discussions rarely brings anything positive. Most people don't feel safe questioning their own beliefs in front of others because they care for what others might think of them. We see this happen every day in social networks.

[@egeneraltnf]

As a person of color, that some how works in industries without proper credentials, I deal with this all the time. I now work in a very blue collar job, I don’t see this anymore. I can’t do it anymore your a better person then me.

[@deanatkins4456]

I found this super useful = subscribed

[@SamStone1964]

Be curious, not defensive. Don't take things personally. Wait 5 seconds after the other person pauses before you speak.

[@christophermallett8166]

If I told a woman what it was to have a "female experience" I'd be absolutely crucified without question. Why is it different with race?

[@ruaidhri777]

Totally fascinating conversation and illuminating. This explains perfectly when I, over the covid period, very politely said to hundreds of different people, that I've read well over 150 clinical trials on mask efficacy and all the best ones (RCTs with meta analysis) say they don't work at all to stop any airborne virus, it had zero effect. Even doctors and nurses. I went out of my way to try to tell people because I thought they would want to know this, but everyone would either change the subject or defend mask wearing with some bizarre, illogical low level evidence point. This video absolutely confirms my suspicions I had about a year ago coming through that weird period. Self realisation needs to come from the self, it can't be forced down people's throats. But, the question whether people can actually change their mind on something is a good one because I think with all the tactics that Peter has put forward, and God bless his patience, some people will never, ever, ever change their stance on something.

[@troy3456789]

Boghossian's (along with James Lindsey and Helen Pluckrose) troll with that hoax letter (The Grievance Study hoax) that got peer reviewed and approved was legendary. It didn't change anything of course, but it was quite incredible.

[@SineEyed]

They had a few papers get published IIRC - and another was in pre-print when their cover was blown. The fact that nothing came of it is seriously disheartening. It's another piece of evidence that those who are in positions in society which should absolutely be held accountable, will never be held to account..

[@mathewhill5556]

This is really good stuff.

[@LouisGedo]

Hello all you lovely truth seekers 👋

[@PhatStacksPoker]

"I want to show up as a human being on their radar, rather than an abstract, detatched particle of a collective" This is what it's like to speak to collectivists. They don't see individuals. They only see group identity. The sword cuts both ways too. They would tell a homeless guy that he had white privilege and a wealthy black man that they are oppressed.

[@grayhill6728]

"Dehumanizing" is exactly right, and for that matter, what this man describes is a type of racial prejudice. People who think they can assume all sorts of things about him by taking a glance.

[@tallgirlhappyme]

⏩ I appreciate WHERE you're trying to go with this. Unfortunately, *it seems most woke are ready to shut down the convo* at the first sign of challenge or question of their statement. I will, however, keep listening to your suggestions!

[@fbinformant]

Ya I think the method underestimates the hostility that will automatically appear and the mental gymnastics at play. For example, "there's only 20 reported police shootings bc the US is dominated by white supremacy. so most of the shootings are covered up". A moderately intelligent person can always fabricate a reason to justify their views. That's my experience at least

[@Bradley9967]

Try saying "Well I was talking to a friend of mine and he thinks there isn't systemic racism in the police. What evidence do you think I would have to aquire to prove him otherwise?" Now your on the side of the person you're talking to.

[@evo1ov3]

Holy shit... Drayton & Boghassian Viva la Resistance!!!

[@griffinsdad9820]

Im only 7ish min in but im already intrigued. I really hope they do a follow up to see whats happened

[@Jakeross123]

Really hope there is a follow up to this. Would be great to hear if Corey was able to put some of these skills into practice. Great stuff!

[@Vorgaloth]

There is. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZ66kIN3pNiShJo

[@JGSuttonJr]

A true woke nut would've ended the conversation as soon as you engaged them with anything but nodding in agreement.

[@YourBestFriendforToday]

I see we have some Chris Voss action going on here!

[@bigdaddyfilmmaker]

I bursted out laughing at the you’re a fucking idiot part because that’s exactly what I do🤣

[@Little.R]

These are good rules for engaging anyone to plant the seed of doubt...

[@purdysanchez]

The problem this technique encounters is that most people don't even have an argument for what they believe. Most people in a round about way say "I believe it cause it's true"

[@joelsterling3735]

I don't know why but I'm picturing a purple-haired monster scrolling through her phone getting stronger with every scroll, while this guy is putting on his armor and sharpening his sword preparing to slay the beast.

[@Archpope]

This was hard for me to watch. Peter, if you read this, there's something you need to know. The Blue Yeti is a side-address microphone. Talking into the top of it makes your voice sound tinny and slightly distorted. Also, it's backwards, In the cardioid pattern (which is what you should be using if you're alone in a single room) the Blue logo should be parallel to your face. The sound quality will be a lot better if you do that.

[@SineEyed]

I noticed the shit quality of Peter's setup immediately. I mostly listened to this though; didn't pay enough attention to the screen to catch what you did about the mic..

[@TokyoXtreme]

Should be the top comment.

[@tomzablee]

Personally I thought the audio was fine. I could hear every word clearly.

[@shanesaxon6863]

Peter: These people do not want a dialogue. You CANNOT speak up without painting a target on your back. Disengage, disengage, disengage.

[@kelrogers8480]

I am Shane, we can no longer afford to be the silent majority. It's gone too far. There's no room for fence-sitting. We - you - must pushback! And we need to learn how to do that. It takes courage, but make no mistake: we are in a war for the souls of our children!

[@Apistevist]

I think we need to use force. FULL STOP. Nothing else works at scale.@@kelrogers8480

[@13e11even11]

What I notice, is that it is near impossible for them not to get defensive or triggered, and I suspect it may be because they are smart enough to understand that there is reason for severe doubts about these ideas, and are worried about the frailty of these ideas being exposed and overturned as this puts them at odds with the mob, which I believe is the true motivation.

[@montmi]

Alter casting is very familiar to role-playing game players! It is just sympathetically role playing as someone who is different from you.

[@mojopin2000]

Always think critically, reject the mob. Books>Blogs

[@kdemetter]

13:07 It's a good idea, but I think this only works in person, with well-intentioned people you know who actually care about you in some way. I don't know if it work against some ideologue who only cares about enforcing their pet beliefs and would walk over your corpse to achieve it. What do you do in that case ?

[@stewheart]

its like POA's but for un-woking people. love it

[@nynoah]

I need to work on these tactics

[@TransparencyandMerit]

I think it would be hard because it involves letting go of the ego and ego is a very strong narcotic

[@jumbo4billion]

@@TransparencyandMerit I found it to actually be more of an ego trip being above getting emotionally tangled in a conversation and play a much longer game. Peter's book is very valuable.

[@SineEyed]

@@jumbo4billion which one, "how to have diff convos"?..

[@jumbo4billion]

@@SineEyed Yes that one

[@SineEyed]

@@jumbo4billion I need to get that book. That is, if it's not soley focused on street epistemology. Does the book cover ground outside of that school of thought? SE hasn't quite made a believer outta me just yet tbh..

[@plaidpaisley5918]

You would think these friends would notice your silence and ask your opinion.

[@LiMortacciSuaSempre]

The tips are really Amazing you can see how helpful in expanding the interactions steering.clear of triggers, which for those types is far from easy eh 😪😉🙏🙉

[@tomcarl8021]

I had an exchange with a well-off English white woman who sent her kids to an exclusive school in London. She claimed that because she had a deep love of black music and had been to Harlem a few times, she was "steeped in Black culture".

[@xchazz86]

Its basically narcisistic behaviour flaunting as some weird shit.

[@StillAliveAndKicking_]

This is so true. Woke ideology has me treating black people as abstractions rather than real people. I now feel uncomfortable with black people because I have the feeling they hate white people and resent them. I used to just treat people as individuals, black, white, nice, unpleasant, rich, poor and so on. Yes I had black friends. Why do I feel uncomfortable? Because most adverts now feature a black cast, news sites such as the BBC propagate resentment stories and identity politics, it’s horrible. We do not have labels attached, we do not conform to simplistic categories. We are people.

[@djlduro]

It seems like Peter has studied the work of Chris Voss (author of Never Split the Difference).

[@goatbreeches1381]

I agreed with Drayton that he became defensive when PB asked about what if more black people were shot. All of a sudden it switched from seeming like he was inquisitive and asking questions to seeming like he had an agenda.

[@Enhancedlies]

This content is so fucking needed right about now

[@yesand5536]

Improv!

[@ivywoodxrecords]

I gotta say, Im an immediate fan of anyone anti-woke. Im worried its a new tribalism thing. Like I fucking cheer when they say shit. We should be careful not to demonize the woke as I am finding it very easy to slide that way.

[@Archmage9885]

I think we need to acknowledge that many wokists know that they're evil and don't care. They love the power it gives them and the freedom to say and do horrible things to people without consequence. That's why they'll always gaslight, deflect, and try to destroy people's perception of dissenters. And if all of that fails they'll run away and cry for someone with more power to silence you.

[@HalJikaKick]

It’s all about one upping morally. “Look at me! Look at me!”

[@TransparencyandMerit]

Moral minds overriding their logical mind that’s rather deep

[@joemarker1]

Peter himself uses these techniques for his street epistemology on college campuses. Hate to say that I have not seen any video yet where a so called woke person has changed their view. Or even had an ability to think of any argument where they could be persuaded to alter their level of conviction. If you want a technique to have a dialogue with a woke person, this probably isn't it. These individuals seem to prioritize being good people. And their path to righteousness is the beliefs that they have, and in some cases, their willingness to destroy their opponents. Peter has the benefit of having a large enough audience where he can produce something of value from having these conversations because he can then show others how stubborn the ideologues are. Unfortunately, for regular people with no platform, you stand to gain little from making an attempt. You may even suffer consequences for doing so. I don't mean to say that we should shy away from conversations simply because it may result in a personal loss. It is better to be brave and say what you believe. What I am saying is that the techniques he prescribes likely won't yield a positive result. I believe that one thing Peter said that is absolutely true is that you will have more success with less people chiming in and running interference. I've gotten interesting things out of people one on one. But I wouldn't say any of these people were woke. They were just people who were a bit skittish about what they've seen going on. Edit: Funny enough, just after writing this, I found a video with Peter and Dave Rubin titled "Don't even try reasoning with these people". Granted, this interview took place in 2017. "How to have impossible conversations" was published in 2019. He may have changed his tack during those two years and decided that it was actually valuable to try. I should say that I'm actually a fan of Peter. I have a fair amount of respect for him. I just don't see this prescription landing any points for us common folk with regular jobs. Edit again: Alright well I watched the Dave Rubin interview and Peter doesn't make a case that you shouldn't make any attempt to talk to these people. He was mainly detailing the convoluted situation that we're in with wokeness in the University. Felt like I needed to have some journalistic integrity, even though I'm not a journalist.