Peter Hitchens: The British Revolution WAS Televised (but few realised...)

In this first episode of Season Two, Peter Whittle's guest is Peter Hitchens, the celebrated conservative columnist, writer and polemicist -- and one of our most commonly requested people:
Subjects discussed include free expression, identity politics, immigration, education & social mobility, conservatism etc..
Sometimes styled "Britain's Obituarist", Hitchens best-known work is "The Abolition of Britain". As with Sir Roger Scruton, Hitchen is a social conservative who feels far closer to social democracy than the unfettered market .
In this indepth discussion, Peter Hitchens explains how Britain has undergone a silent and radical revolution as transformative as history's most famous, where the buildings remain but little else is the same.
Whilst many assume the roots of this revolution were planted in the 1960s, Mr. Hitchens traces the foundations back to the Bloomsbury Group & the First World War. Recalling his own time as a far left student in the 1960s, he reveals how, when they were at university, many of Britain's leading political and establishment figures of the last 30 years -- such as former PM Tony Blair -- identified openly as revolutionary Marxists or Trotskyists.
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[@63mckenzie]

Any University that restricts free speech should have their government funding withdrawn.

[@paulmcgreevy3011]

Graham Mckenzie ... government advocates restriction of free speech with hate crime laws, police pursuit of people who say nasty things on Twitter, threats to social media companies to censor their content

[@rodneyplewright7685]

HEAR HEAR!

[@scobra6652]

They should be shut down.

[@zbdot73]

Restriction of freedom of speech is what those who control government want.

[@jh5kl]

people like you generally are the first to try to stop free speech when it doesn t suit your narrative

[@Niemand1947]

"It is almost impossible for an intelligent person to watch the BBC, luckily for them the number of intelligent people watching them is very small." classic and true.

[@wordsnotswords9517]

To put that in perspective. I come from a working class council estate background. I consider my self someone with an average education having not excelled at school by any stretch of the imagination. When I watch the BBC (which is literally never these days) it is incredibly infantile, annoying and as Peter says totally unwatchable.

[@Niemand1947]

@@wordsnotswords9517 this lorry driver tries to listen to the news and current affairs programmes on Radio 4 and Radio Scotland every day. Recently I have been unable to stomach more that 30 seconds or so of their drivel!

[@ranoutofeyeballs]

all mainstream media...

[@Niemand1947]

@@ranoutofeyeballs Yes that's true, the different outlets are tripping over each other in a race to the bottom. But the others aren't tax payer funded and don't bask in a long, if undeserved, reputation for "fairness and impartiality"!

[@kiwitrainguy]

The reason why I watch BBC World News is the same reason why I have Apple Computers and use ESU decoders in my model trains: They may not be ideal but they are the best that I have found.

[@HerbertDuckshort]

Great to see someone interview Peter Hitchens without wanting to continually shout him down. Excellent.

[@48sydney]

@Adele K I think you just proved the point.

[@OldeJanner]

Life as it used to be, someone other than a liberal/leftie getting a chance to speak without fighting the hecklers, so refreshing!

[@Cassiopea456]

He should run for Prime MInister to restore the Conservative values of British tradition and education, which is totally lacking in today society!

[@seanmoran6510]

Adele K Postmodernism

[@paulthompson8996]

Agreed, but I would like the interviewer to have challenged him sometimes, or at least asked him to explain his remarks more (for example, on the BBC)

[@RB-mq6em]

What a great interviewer Peter Whittle is: asks insightful questions, doesn’t make it all about him, and lets the interviewee speak for as long as they wish. This is yet another interesting and informative interview.

[@edwinleslie1330]

XY YX..... Totally agree with you. Brilliant interviewer ....... AS ALWAYS.🤔

[@neil1261]

I smell an old guff manifested into Peter Hitchens. Dreary and boring not a patch on the David Starkey interview I watched recently. I read one comment on here saying it was nice to hear him speak common sense? You only have to read or watch his views on legalising cannibis to understand he does not use common sense on forming all of his opinions and sometimes refuses to listen. I agree with most of his observations but also recognise he is an old guff at the end of the day.

[@lapamful]

@@neil1261 Have you read Red Cocaine? It's all about how the Soviets tried to get us all addicted to drugs in order to tear our societies apart. Seems like they've also won on that score too and your type of opinion (and person) is just another indication that we're lying in ruins of what the West once was. I'm not talking about the legality, I'm talking about the kind of society in which so many people WANT to take drugs for whatever reason. No, you're absolutely wrong and Peter's right.

[@colinstephenson5386]

Uncle Sam yes sam miss maitlis does at times try to nail someone down to actually coming clean , but as you can see by the comments you’ve attracted that this brexit business has caused a kind of ‘blinded by the light” phenomenon, people without a pot to piss in who previously would’ve approved of her taking a person with more money than he could ever spend to task now sadly are being taken for a ride and sucking up

[@summercoat]

XY YX - So what you're saying is, Whittle is nothing like the typical So what you're saying crowd.

[@chimesmedia2331]

Peter Whittle is a great example of how to conduct an interview.

[@monicawarner4091]

Perish the thought that any present day university student would ever have to be exposed to people with different points of view! The poor dears just couldn't cope! 😵😱🤯

[@johnsmythe7940]

The sadness with that is obviously because people are not taught to qualify there own point of view with examples and evidence.

[@ShoshiPlatypus]

Monica Warner I totally agree. If I had kids, and they were of university age today, I would actively dissuade them from going to university at all. Institutions which used to pride themselves on teaching students critical thinking have now degenerated into something very different, and I believe that they now do more harm than good. I never went to university (although at the time, things were better) and have not particularly missed that episode in my life. After an education up to A-level, what I now know is mostly the result of my own research, and sharpening my wits through discussion with others who are intelligent enough, and sufficiently able to think for themselves, to teach me anything. I think we are way past the point of no return now, throughout the education system, starting in primary school. I do find it sad, as another commenter stated, how disillusioned Peter Hitchens sounds, but I understand fully the reasons behind it.

[@monicawarner4091]

@@KC_NZ . 👏👍 It's such a pity that there aren't more like you. It seems that many Student Unions these days see de-platforming people as the best way to ensure that only the narrowest of views can be heard...the ones which they hold themselves! Alternative opinions are proscribed.

[@monicawarner4091]

@@ShoshiPlatypus . I've learnt much more since leaving school than I did throughout my entire school life, and in the same way that you have. The most useful thing that I was taught in school was that I should never just accept the truth of anything without investigating the "facts" for myself, and that even parents and teachers could be wrong. The next best thing I learned was how and where to find information.

[@monicawarner4091]

@@KC_NZ . I must admit that I too take great delight in using rules to outfox the narrow-minded people who make them!

[@mrcockney-nutjob3832]

"We can't do what we like with this country. We inherited it from our parents and grandparents and we have a duty to hand it on to our children and grandchildren, preferably improved and certainly undamaged."

[@bar10ml44]

Circus Midgets I agree but I’m afraid the madness has become irreversible

[@robertbrowne4049]

Circus Midgets It’s already damaged beyond recognition.

[@j.jasonwentworth723]

@@bar10ml44 I fear that for the UK, too. (With a grandfather, aunts, uncles, and cousins from--or in--the Cayman Islands [like the Jamaicans, the Caymanians are "more British than

[@aucourant9998]

​It's sad to hear how cynical and hopeless Peter sounds. If Boris betrays us with a fake Brexit, I think things could really change, because the English population is really naturally conservative (unlike the Conservative Party).

[@1992toehead]

It is sad but I think he is correct. Britain as I idealized and thought of it growing up is dead.

[@LolLol-ch7sl]

I disagree most people don't want to conservative anything. My brother says we should support lgbt movement because "votes"

[@drewmann856]

@@blackphilip8936 Dude, he tried when he was at the peak of his popularity and when it wasn't so bleak as it is now (late 2000's). Nobody listened to him. The philosophical foundations of what is happening now were laid decades before he was even born. He's done what he can, he's a committed Christian, he has a family, and he tries to persuade people that he's correct. That's all anyone can do, live their lives as they know they ought to and build families and communities despite it all.

[@nuh2ndbr466]

No the Brits arent conservative, they are liberal and individualist and anti white beyond belief

[@nevbarnes1034]

If elections are rigged, then why did the Brexit vote happen in the UK and the Trump vote in the US? These events are clear evidence that the elites do not always get their way, and that our democracy--however painfully--is still working.

[@inglesconalan5360]

What a wonderful surprise, I just came back from walking the dog, I saw that Peter Hitchens was on, so I made a big pot of coffee and now I am going to sit back and enjoy the conversation.

[@w3w3w3]

Same :) I enjoy Peter Whittle as well.

[@MrDaiseymay]

YOOOOOOO R SLIKKER

[@inglesconalan5360]

@@w3w3w3 I always enjoy Peter Whittle - he is how I imagine a professional at the BBC should be.

[@sunnyjim1355]

I hope the coffee was good and that your dog is well, but did you enjoy the conversation?

[@goodyeoman4534]

I did the same.

[@MrClingclong]

Peter Hitchens, always great value for money.

[@MrDaiseymay]

he charges ?

[@CbrigBear87]

@@MrDaiseymay he's been done

[@dread4836]

Got to love Peter Hitchens, thinks very much like me but in a much smarter way

[@Alan7997]

Same here.

[@suzimonkey345]

dread I’m interested, have you guys made the same journey from the extreme left over to the conservative right? I described myself as, “A bit of a hippy liberal”. I don’t believe that my fundamental views have changed that much but politics have definitely moved around me. Growing-up Mary Whitehouse optimised the censorious right...now it’s the Left becoming totalitarian...

[@LolLol-ch7sl]

@@suzimonkey345 I have I'm basically for dictatorship I used to be a classical liberal/milktoast conservative

[@j.jasonwentworth723]

@@suzimonkey345 Suzi, there is nothing really wrong with being a hippie; it's the leftist "political accretions" (and the heavy drug use [beyond occasional use of the less-potent cannabis of those days, which--at least in the U.S.--wasn't considered desirable by hippies, at first]) on top of the fundamentally "Live and let live, live simply, live close to nature, and be kind to others unless they give one cause not to" hippie way of life that were and are the problem--and I'm a conservative! Until heroin and LSD use became part of hippie culture (and the later, zealously spiritual ones such as the "Jesus Freaks" [who weren't freaks at all] and Native American/Eastern path followers denounced it beginning in the early 1970s), the hippie notion was that the body should not be abused by putting unhealthy things into it (which is the same as the Biblical admonition along those same lines, that "The body is the temple of the Holy Spirit" [so take good care of it]). Also, here's another oddity connected with hippie culture: My father was conservative, too (he was a Fire Chief and--during World War II--a U.S. Coast Guard officer [the USCG operated under the U.S. Navy during the war] who was involved in combat at sea), yet he was fascinated by, and somewhat attracted to, despite himself, hippie culture. We often browsed in a hippie "head shop" whenever we went to Midway Mall (a large, eclectic shopping mall in Miami, Florida) in the 1970s, and even though he made disparaging remarks about "those damned hippie stink candles!" (rather 'fruity-scented' candles the shop sold), he was fascinated by the beads, posters, sandals, tie-dyed clothing, shawls, and other hippie items nonetheless, and he even occasionally bought hippie craft kits there, and: Even though he was born in 1919 (100 years ago, this month!), he, his sister Jane, and his brother Thurman all called their mother and father by their *first* names (Sophie and Jackson), which was unheard of back then, and is only barely known of even today (the art rock star Frank Zappa's kids called their parents Frank and Fay rather than Mom and Dad). So in a sense, my father seemed to already have been a "proto-hippie," even if only slightly (he also believed in hippie-type things--which society in general frowned upon at that time--such as "We work to live; we *don't* live to work" [while he believed in working hard and seeking excellence therein, he *didn't* accept the "Protestant Work Ethic," which taught that leisure was a bad thing and wasted time that could be spent working--when work was done, it was time to relax and/or have fun, with no guilt about "wasting work time!"]).

[@sixmagpies]

Oh God, how one wishes all interviewers were as excellent as Mr. P. Whittle. He asks his questions, as necessary, paying out plenty of rope, and then allows his audience to listen to the full response. This, in turn, encourages the speaker to speak openly and develop his thoughts. Marvellous. Would that the BBC et al could follow his lead.

[@thedolphin5428]

Its also that one as intellugent as PH knows how to be clear, succinct, to the point, rational, non combative, all those things which make a conversation rather than a rant.

[@kbeetles]

That is not the point of BBC interviews........

[@sixmagpies]

@@kbeetles Obviously not.

[@chonnerone2964]

Great interview - love Peter - so many interviewers fail to get the best out of him. We're so lucky to have stuff like this available - it's antidote to how shit TV is.

[@NewCultureForum]

Thank you

[@MrRadiorobot]

How did the hitchens family produce two such astonishing minds? Peter and Christopher...polar opposites on many a subject but both essential heel kickers of the establishment.. Peter, live long and prosper.. Christopher you are so missed... Xx

[@threeriversforge1997]

You'll notice that they got their educations long before the education system was fully corrupted. They were raised old-school, and thus were taught how to think at the same time they were held to a higher standard and exposed to the great authors of history like Plato, Socrates and others.

[@MrRadiorobot]

@@threeriversforge1997 indeed!

[@hittitecharioteer]

@@threeriversforge1997 Isn't that the truth.

[@roodborstkalf9664]

Probably their mother was quiet talented

[@fionagregory9376]

@@threeriversforge1997 Shakespeare's plays too.

[@Al-ny8dk]

The best form of interview - no interruptions, just gentle directing. Thank you Mr Whittle.

[@1669Python]

Very interesting as always. Peter confirms how deep and awful the Blair government was.

[@botany500kojak]

And the remoaners are marching to his drum beat now.

[@Chris-kz7us]

Awful how happy my parents were to vote him in and how happy the country was when he got in. How different life might be if he didn't.

[@regen6152]

We in the U.S. riding high on the Bill Clinton election were in love with Tony Blair’s Cool Britannia political schtick. Only a few years later we had W. Who dragged Blair and Great Britain into the quagmire of a Middle-eastern war. How the mighty have fallen.

[@JRobbySh]

With Blair and Bush in charge of Iraq, no wonder it turned out so poorly.

[@j.jasonwentworth723]

@@regen6152 As Tonto said to the Lone Ranger, after he remarked (upon seeing hostile mounted Indians on the tops of all of the surrounding hills), "It looks like we're surrounded": "Who's ^WE^, kemo sabe?" :-)

[@sanguinefan1734]

Probably the best interview of Peter Hitchens I've seen. The fact that he allowed the interviewer to finish his questions speaks volumes for how much he respects Peter Whittle. I have the impression that Hitchens is generous enough to allow himself to be interviewed by virtually anyone with a camera phone, but this one stands apart. I do think many people are aware that a revolution has occurred and we are now living in a post-revolution society. That revolution took place in the 1960s (although as Hitchens says, its roots lie in much earlier times). It affected popular culture, obviously, but it also created an unbridgeable divide between generations, which needed only time to come to fruition. In other words, once the pre-war generation died out, the next generation effectively launched a new, year-zero culture in which the past truly was a 'foreign country'.

[@adambritain5774]

Both parts of the interview carried out by John Anderson are even better. Absolute dynamite.

[@sanguinefan1734]

@@adambritain5774 I agree. The Anderson videos are worthwhile viewing for Hitchens watchers. But Peter Whittle's interview is in a class of its own, IMO.

[@ronpeel1878]

Those of us who new our towns and cities of 40 years ago are saddened to the core; you now have to live in the outer edges or in a village to get an insight of just how pleasant England used to be. But, even these areas will change because they, too, will be overwhelmed by the mass emmigration. Neither our contry-side or our culture can survive the influx; a population growing by a million people every three years.

[@edwinleslie1330]

To me Peter Whittle is the BEST ( That others should watch and learn) and amazing interviewer who (As many have said) allows his guest to TALK. To which we learn.

[@thegreenbikerider6189]

I took Mr Hitchens advice and left the UK, however I ended up in Australia which is just following the UK in its footsteps.

[@rodneyplewright7685]

Yes, sadly, the forces of darkness in Australia are working hard and clandestinely to subjugate us.

[@thedolphin5428]

'Fraid so. (From Sydney)

[@eyoung8215]

There is nowhere to go... And we are subjects of our country. Why should we leave?

[@david-spliso1928]

Unless you want to learn Russian or Chinese and are allowed to flee there, there really is practically nowhere else to go.

[@eyoung8215]

@@david-spliso1928 yes but we are Europeans! We just don't get up and go elsewhere. There is a filial piety I have for my country. It's a kind of globalist solution.

[@kevint1719]

I like Hitchens and I dearly wish he'd use his platform more often to talk like he does here about cultural marxism and how it's taken over this country. He has unique knowledge of it and it helps more than he realises to get that information out there. Too many people have never heard of it or think it's a conspiracy theory, which it is not.

[@barbpem5480]

Hitchens make some good points but he does seem all over the place with contradictions. I can never get where he's coming from! Perhaps it's me. But he does annoyingly woffle and isn't a speaker who is easy on the ear either!

[@alexnorth3393]

Ah the old right-wing nonsense about "cultural marxism"...such a debunked and tired talking point by them.

[@alexnorth3393]

@Benson Walker Sargon is a vile misogynist and a racist. Thankfully he imploded. He remains and evil gamergater and got HUMILIATED by feminists.

[@seanmoran6510]

Alex North Yes disgraceful that a former Bolshevik should blow the whistle on the Intellectual Left. Don’t worry comrade msm will silence/sideline him and the sheep will not notice.

[@thomassimmons1950]

This is a serious cat. I'm a Yank myself and too was very influenced by the Drama and Comedy of the 60's and 70's both in the UK and US. The great irony is that the agit-prop of the so-called Left today has the ideological bent in spades, but completely bereft in any creativity or real talent in any sense. Course as Mr. Hitchens so astutely said, it may not bloody matter anymore as to the quality of the message, as the public over here and there have become so tragically stupid.

[@ferventheat]

It's never boring listening to Peter. He has a depth of knowledge, insights and experience from which he can speak with intelligence and wisdom.

[@thumper8684]

I never fail to find him boring.

[@no_namematrix8630]

Peter is the only person who makes me feel like an optimist!

[@pigknickers]

haha! me too

[@robearl1983]

The views he gives is the true counter culture.. The LGBT and leftist movements are conventional wisdom.

[@ottomeyer6928]

to hell with them

[@alexnorth3393]

It isn't at all. Amusing to see brittle men like yourself so upset by them. LMFAO.

[@robearl1983]

@@alexnorth3393 the left of 2019 act as old church ladies. They see things on the internet and in culture and conspire to ban those ideas they see as a threat to safety and polite society.

[@MrHullRockers]

Hitchens' failure to understand identity politics is quite shocking. It's not about identifying yourself to a group and finding camaraderie it's about labeling others as a means of negating their rights and even in extremes, their humanity. How does a supposedly intelligent man miss the defining and most dangerous aspect, of identity politics?

[@MrDaiseymay]

because it's pathetic and utter bollocks---now fuckin grow up.

[@MrHullRockers]

LOL, great comeback Peter.

[@lowandslow]

Does it really matter if he has your understanding of "identity politics"? Is he wrong on the larger issue of how the west's move to left has been disastrous and possibly fatal?

[@knickertwistcopperby6066]

@MrHullRockers He is fully aware of it and has discussed it in other interviews. I think he likes to play things down sometimes. It is frustrating but perhaps he is simply refusing to satiate our confirmation bias!

[@paulmcgreevy3011]

MrHullRockers ...it’s not about negating their rights it’s about persuading them they are oppressed and then promising to fix their problems and fight their cause in order to leverage power and control and win their votes.

[@concars1234]

Britain dying isn't funny though. It's a crime please Britain wake up you're not out of the fight brothers

[@seanmoran6510]

Been dying since 1914 😢

[@mikemcfadden1927]

Great start to season two. Keep up the good work.

[@mr.g4785]

"Everything is beyond help" That basically sums it up doesn't it.

[@paulbriody297]

Great questions, thoughtful answers. Wonderful!

[@beetlegin]

Love Peter Hitchens. We should make his misery complete by branding him a 'national treasure'. How he would loathe that !! But then only left leaning liberal luvvies can be inducted into this hell hall of fame - talk about hegemony. And can another studio not be found for these interviews ? That's at least the second time I've heard an interview here conducted to the dulcet background tones of a hammer action Black and Decker !!

[@care4ajellybaby403]

Thank goodness your back! I have missed your honest and thoughtful videos. They are a harbour in a sea of sjw/npc/woke/leftie liberal emotional bilge, bias and insanity. Keep up the good work.

[@care4ajellybaby403]

@@martinheath5947 Thanks 4 the gramar updait, itz sorely neaded!🤣

[@antkcuck]

XD

[@care4ajellybaby403]

@@martinheath5947 👍

[@alexnorth3393]

Whine more about your phantom "sjw" crap.

[@care4ajellybaby403]

@@alexnorth3393 Triggered!

[@spamspum928]

There's nothing like a cup of tea and a peter hitchens interview to start off the day.

[@charliebuttocks2400]

Or a glass of wine and Peter Hitchens in the evening

[@lesgamester7356]

Welcome back Peter. Good interview with, er, Peter.

[@scdobserver835]

Great to start your new series with Peter!

[@scdobserver835]

The better half of the Hitchens brothers, who actually evolved and grew out of leftism. The other one remained obstinate in that position till he died.

[@fourtoes412]

@@scdobserver835 Give me Christopher any day, Peter comes across as dry, humourless and some what narcissistic.

[@sydneycarton3000]

@Four Toes narcissistic ? How so

[@scdobserver835]

@@fourtoes412 Homourless? He's seen the rot in the Communist/Socialist perspective and slowly seeing the hollowing out of the British and English (liberal) culture and you expect him to play a clown about it? I speak this as a non-English (and non European) person who's a naturalised British.

[@fourtoes412]

@@sydneycarton3000 Each to their own, I enjoy this chanell very much, guests who I thoroughly enjoyed listening to and hearing their perspective, include Roger Scruton, Rod Liddle, Katharine Birbalsingh, James Delingpole, Claire Fox and to a certain extent Brendan O'Neil. Two guests who just dont do it for me are Peter Hitchens and David Starky. In the case of Peter I certainly regard him as conceited, especially when I he talks about twitter and identity politics during this interview. Maybe I am missing something, I dont know.

[@alfonsobakhani9876]

Very interesting. One of the best interviews with Mr Hitchens so far.

[@MrDaiseymay]

as long as you agree with him

[@crossley941]

@@MrDaiseymay You don't have to agree with people to enjoy interviews in which they feature.

[@gx2music]

13:00 “my advice to the young is to leave the country”. Come Halloween , and Brexit gets pushed back again , then his statement will be prophetic. Unless we have a nationalist revolution , England is lost.

[@shirleysmith3881]

Surely the western world is in decline so where do people go?

[@stephenvince9994]

@@shirleysmith3881 The Sword

[@DieFlabbergast]

It's lost anyway. No "revolution" can fundamentally change the way people think, and without that, everything else is meaningless.

[@david-spliso1928]

And sure enough, Brexit has been delayed, yet again.

[@goodyeoman4534]

It's lost. And all without a fight. Completely irreversible. Even if a tyrant came in promising to restore Britain to it's former glory, it still couldn't be saved. Just the cold hard truth. If people revolt, it will be because their credit dries up when the economy crashes. It certainly won't be for moral or political reasons, or they would have done so already.

[@beatsinabar]

A short break and a new series - and very welcome. I enjoy Peters Whittle and Hitchens, and it is interesting to see them both together. Keep up the good work, in your separate ways!

[@shaunpaulwallace]

Brilliant interview. Thanks to both. Most refreshing.

[@saltynutsman1]

Lately, I’ve been feeling that the west was in some kind of war but according to Peter Hitchiens, he seems to think the war has already been fought and lost, which is even more depressing.

[@paulcunnane4]

It's completely and utterly hopeless....expecting the youth of today to stop this rot is like expecting a primitive tribe to reconstruct a crashed aircraft....even if they understood it they wouldn't have the necessary tools

[@jumbo4billion]

Maybe you should have given them the tools

[@Ronnytigs]

Really enjoyed the discussion, very thought provoking.

[@thejigantics2641]

Mr H is always interesting and eloquent. Thank you

[@Tj-ot4jp]

"Taught what to think,not how to think" how true that is today.

[@ianderbyshire384]

Please invite Thomas Sowell/Larry Elder

[@brownfox3180]

What fantastic news to have a second season of this fantastic show! :) Always look forward to these interviews, keep up the great work @New Culture Forum

[@jimusgrimus]

His book the Abolition of Britain is a masterpeice..........

[@translunar1]

Thank you Peter and Peter. Excellent discussion!

[@lapamful]

MINDBLOWN. Peter @11:57 "This is the really ridiculous thing about the modern West, we live in post revolutionary societies and in most cases we don't even realise the revolution's taken place. It's been a Kierkegaard Revolution in which all the buildings remain standing but everything which led to their being built and contributed to their design, and the whole society that supported them, has been wiped away. And people walk around in it relatively prosperous thinking revolution must mean a red flag flying above the post office and the barracks and the railway station with commissars in the streets; it doesn't. Modern left wing revolution means this, the policing of thought, the deadening of the academy, the lack of serious debate or understanding, the suppression of disagreement, and everybody accepts it and you're surrounded by it and there is no cure for it, it's all gone. Education is dead, the media is dead, it's almost unwatchable, most of what's put out now in particular on BBC television, it's almost impossible for an intelligent person to sit down and watch it. But luckily for them the number of intelligent, educated people watching it is very small, so they get away with it." "[...] My advice to young people is to leave the country, and people laugh at me when I say it but I've never been more serious about anything in my life. And they ask where should I go, and I say I don't care where you go. The point about this country is, in the foothills of such a catastrophe, it's not a good idea to wait around and find out what it's like."

[@rklight33]

lapamful Thank you for transcribing it. Indeed, some of the most sobering (and darkly eloquent) words I’ve ever heard. God help us.

[@rklight33]

Btw-it’s “Kierkegaardian Revolution.” From one of PH’s columns, quoting Kierkegaard: A passionate tumultuous age will overthrow everything, pull everything down; but a revolutionary age which is, at the same time, reflective and passionless, leaves everything standing but cunningly empties it of significance’.

[@lapamful]

@@rklight33 thanks for that. I knew I hadn't gotten it right. Updated it!

[@petergregory8864]

Identity Politics doesn't cut society horizontally, vertically! It throws it in the blender!

[@coolwhiteboy2084]

Love Peter Hitchens! And his brother!

[@RobWhittlestone]

Peter Hitchens is ALWAYS worth listening to and Peter Whittle is a delightful insightful but self-effacing interviewer. I really like this format. It's the only KZbin series of its kind that I know and listen to. Very refreshing to hear this conversation. Unfortunately I agree about the demise of the UK and left 30 years ago for Switzerland. I detested Bliar and do so now even more.

[@mikemcfadden1927]

Something to look forward to

[@edwinleslie1330]

If you watch Peter Whittle! He STOPS talking the moment his guest talks .... even if HE is talking. A 'CLASS INTERVIEWER '.

[@pigknickers]

Almost exactly how a woman doesn't.

[@wewrestlenot]

classy and sophisticated

[@MrRubberchicken21]

Love Hitchens interviews, I can’t decide if I like reading him or listening to him more.

[@marionreynolds7080]

Peter Hitchens’ discursive narrative is so dense I shall be rewatching this video several times. He never ceases to surprise, educate and inform me. He is uniquely brave in his assertions and like all real intellectuals freely references others. Thank you Peter W so much for finally entrapping him! I have printed the Andrew Neather article to which you refer. Marion

[@stumbling]

People cannot be reasoned out of a position they did not reason themselves into... but they can be shown a way out. We must demonstrate the superiority of our way of life by living good lives.

[@KistoDreams]

Sounds like there's an angry bee in the room. Other than that, I enjoyed the conversation very much.

[@TheFatController.]

The sound of wood being sawn...

[@lizajames]

Even the bees are angry at the state of affairs ;)

[@pauljoneseyboy9615]

KistoDreams leftist bee is angry

[@Londonfogey]

It's Antifa trying to break the door down with an angle grinder.

[@johnabbott9431]

I thought he was having his floors sanded/

[@edwinleslie1330]

Love listening to Christopher Hitchens as I did his Brother.

[@A_random_nerd_with_braces]

Thank you very much for this absolutely fascinating interview.

[@gx2music]

For American viewers : grammar schools were selective based on an exam at age 11. Therefore High IQ students would end up in grammar schools. That system has been utterly opposed by the Labour Party and thus education levels have declined.

[@coyhutt8022]

Who frequently send their own children to selective private schools.

[@adambritain5774]

Opposed by the none conservative Conservative party, as well.

[@olivermackie2009]

@@susanport5697 I finished a prestigious private senior school in the Midlands in 1988. Private but entry was by competitive exam at 11, a la grammar school, and government assisted places for those who passed but couldn't afford it. In my year, it was 1% Chinese and 3% Indian. Looking recently, the breakdown is now about 50% white, 30% Indian, 20% Chinese.

[@mrcockney-nutjob3832]

@@susanport5697 The white working-class kid has been left on the self, and it's deliberate. Just watch the news at 6pm, BBC or ITV, you won't see a white working-class kid on it, unless a crime has been committed.

[@temperateortropical161]

susan port : BBC "Asian" meaning Muslim or international Asian meaning East Asian & sometimes Indian too ?

[@FredKaczynski]

"I used to think life was a tragedy, now I realise it's a comedy" - The Joker

[@tearsinrain8002]

Good to see you back!

[@E.R.Hewitt]

Loved this. Especially his appreciation for people who will take a subject and ferociously argue it to its logical conclusion with all their might.

[@lumpyfishgravy]

I like Peter Hitchens. I don't share his pessimism, however; which seems to be the burden of an overactive mind. I've known others like him who can persuade you of their unique perspective and you get up the next day and have a look around and realize it's really not as bad as they say. There appears almost a wilfulness to their despair.

[@temperateortropical161]

Most of us live in greater or lesser levels of denial, without which we couldn't get through the day, let alone the week, month or year.

[@lumpyfishgravy]

@ginger rodent If I believed that, I couldn't believe in democracy.

[@basseal2677]

He is right. Everything one might have read in 'Marxism Today' in the 80s has now become unquestionable orthodoxy.

[@andrewdock7288]

What is missing is the sense of National Populism found in Eastern Europe or America. A remarkable lack of Conservative culture meaning faith, family and community in the UK.

[@hazchemel]

mr hitchen's understanding of death and sin, eternity, karma etc., give his thoughts gravitas. it is realism at a level seldom encountered. sir, your interview moved me deeply to see the happy combination of professional skill with adroit and creative intelligence. bravo.

[@markhughes7927]

Pleasant, interesting interview, particularly on the extent of communist infiltration and destruction of lovely old Britain and through personalities one thought one knew as representing something different. The destructiveness and the shallowness of Blair come across very strongly as well as the reach of his fifth column. Shuddersome.

[@TheHateSpeechChannel]

A great summer? Im still waiting for it up in the north of Scotland

[@jumbo4billion]

It's not too late to visit the south coast and enjoy a week or two of what we call "sunshine".

[@darthlaurel]

Very, very interesting interview. Thank you.

[@Yourismouter]

always a treat to listen or read Peter Hitchens even if you don't entire agree with him, never a dull moment and always thought provoking. I look forward to hopefully you interviewing him again, amazed both you gentleman could carry on the entire interview with an annoying fly buzzing in the background lol

[@oo88oo]

9:45 "...there's only one form of virtue, and that's..."

[@threeriversforge1997]

I've long since stopped going to movies and watching most television programs for exactly the reason Mr. Whittle describes. While they can be good for illustrating a point, as noted by Mr. Hitchens, funding their propaganda with my hard earned dollars just doesn't sit well with me. I can just as easily use them to illustrate a point by watching a short clip here on youtube because we all know the pseudo-subliminal messaging is going to be rather blatant and omnipresent. As for Mr. Hitchens' assertions, I can't find that he's wrong. Looking around the US, I see time and time again that the politicians have dumped "refugees" into areas and destroyed the local culture entirely. I'm reminded of one small town in Maine that received several thousand refugees from Somalia (?) without any regard for the needs of the white community there. They already had joblessness, homelessness, school crowding and all the other problems. Dumping a thousand refugees on them was simply a political expedient meant to make the area fully democrat-voting for the next hundred years and demolish the sense of community that had existed there for better than a hundred years. And it happens everywhere. I live in the middle of what scientists are now calling the Piedmont Sprawl, and recommend you look it up to see just how interesting a thing it is. That "quaint southern charm" that attracted folks to the region is now completely destroyed because there is no "south" anymore. 40% of the new immigrants to my area (including all the folks from other states who have moved here) are foreign-born or their first generation children. Think about that for a minute. 40% of our population are now non-white, non-native, have no ties to the nation or understanding of the basic threads that used to bind us all together. What's that going to look like in another decade? On top of all that, the excessive amounts of people flooding in has meant a significant reduction in our open spaces as well as an incredible increase in traffic, congestion, taxes, crime, school crowding, etc. In essence, all the bad things have increased and all the good things have decreased. And why? To what ultimate gain? I'd love it if someone could point me to citations for the articles and individuals that Hitchen's mentions in the video. In the US, we don't hear anything about this stuff.

[@davelewis7098]

Thankyou again a very honest interview from two distinguished gentleman who are working from inside the bubble trying to pop it God bless us all !!!

[@franklyThor]

Peter Whittle’s interview techniques are based on human decency and objectivity. It is the opposite of the typical mainstream journalism where the only aim is to discredit the interviewed person’s character and integrity. Keep up the good work.

[@catrinadeeley7909]

Your writing and talks have confirmed conclusions I’ve already reached independently. I hope this Country doesn’t end up like law less South Africa. Socialism is dripped into state education insidiously.

[@davelowe1977]

The problem of young people today's beliefs probable has something to do with nearly all teachers being female.

[@MsChitterchat]

I have been thinking about this too and I’m a feminist. It can surely not be healthy that most teachers are female. It’s a very interesting thought. Good luck dealing with what I call the fake feminists on this! I also feel strongly that single sex schools should not exist. I think they are cruel in the way they deprive a child of essential social development. But that’s another issue..

[@TomDulson]

Love the new intro music. Also you're doing a great job generally. Keep going.

[@teresahall8762]

Thatcher did implement the National Curriculum. It made Religious Education compulsory. That gave me a job (cheers Maggie). The main religions were to be covered. The problem arose when no one really followed the part that said that the Curriculum should be MAINLY Christian.

[@Nick_fb]

Let's kickstart the book "the obituary of Britian"

[@dankatz5224]

I don't think it's legally possible - since his idea for the book is a compendium of existing works, and Hitchens' publishers are the ones against it.

[@hallee68]

Always very interesting in his analysis of what's gone wrong, and his views on the "Blair Revolution", but as he thinks there is no hope, not much help on the future. I would suggest we have seen several political revolutions in the last hundred years, the first was the economic revolution with the unionisation of the workplace as industry became an employment service, then the Welfare revolution after the war, and the social revolution which as Peter says really got a grip in the early sixties and after slowing in the seventies and eighties sped up under Blair, continuing as the Conservatives bought into it, as 1960s conservatives surrendered to the economic equivalent. But there is hope. Thatcher reversed the first of these three revolutions, and while Corbyn and McDonnell might think it can be revived, there is no sense in which most of their voters actually want it back. If that can be reversed then the social revolution can be too, or at least limited and it's direction changed. The hope lies in the realignment of politics after Brexit. The Conservative working class, who voted Labour by tradition, are needed by the Conservatives, Cameron's aim of winning over Lib Dems can no longer work. What policies that leads to, we will have to see.

[@dannyboywhaa3146]

If Peter’s happy, I’m happy - he’s my ‘go-to-guy’! Can’t wait to hear what he feels about Boris and his proroguing of Parliament etc etc... he’ll clear those muddy waters for me and leave me feeling that I stand under the problems etc etc...

[@fionagregory7040]

My parents only listened to radio 4. I only sometimes listen to it, but internet is my greatest love now, as well as typing.

[@TheEnglishLongbow]

I'm English, not British. The worst thing to have ever happened to England was the United Kingdom. English independence is essential for English folk.

[@andrewoliver8930]

Created by the English.

[@TheEnglishLongbow]

@@andrewoliver8930 Garbage. The one people never to have been asked about the United Kingdom is the English. Scots would have the world believe that the English were dancing in the street with the establishment of the UK whereas the Scots rioted, when the reality is, Scots flooded into England like Africans and Arabs are doing now. However, the English pelted Scots with apples and the like. The Union of the Crowns was met with the English trying to blow James I off the English throne. English money paid for the Union and English money has paid for it ever since.

[@andrewoliver8930]

@@TheEnglishLongbow The Irish begged for England to takeover. Of course they did.

[@andrewoliver8930]

@@TheEnglishLongbow Create a Nationalist Party and get a referendum.

[@TheEnglishLongbow]

@@andrewoliver8930 There is a nationalist party that has been going for nearly two decades and also a campaign for an English parliament. I was on the national council of each for a while. There is all but a media blackout on English nationalism, unless it is to denigrate and defame it.

[@perperson199]

This will be good

[@alexc8209]

Every british citizen MUST watch minutes 10 to 15. Very very wise words.

[@wewrestlenot]

This was so enjoyable. Thank you!

[@allaboutkalergi5012]

28:14 H.G. Wells was at the heart of the Bloomsbury Set. 'The Shape of Things to Come' is a work of science fiction by H. G. Wells, published in 1933, which speculates on future events up to the year 2106. 'A long economic slump causes a major war that leaves Europe devastated and threatened by plague. The nations with the strongest air-forces set up a benevolent dictatorship that paves the way for world peace by abolishing national divisions, enforcing the English language, promoting scientific learning and outlawing religion. The enlightened world-citizens are able to depose the dictators peacefully, and go on to breed a new race of super-talents, able to maintain a permanent utopia.'

[@DevonDandy]

I find that one can learn so much more from this more sophisticated form of interview that is ever possible with the confrontational style which BBC presenters are wont to use when they have Tory in front of them. Constantly interrupting and talking over the interviewee.

[@hittitecharioteer]

The internet offers so many alternative sources for news and analysis. Take a look at Spiked which is excellent.

[@gelbsucht947]

Everyone loves Peter Hitchens’ decency, truthfulness and common sense. Sadly they’ve become very rare.

[@alexandrepereira3902]

Peter is someone worthwhile to listen

[@dread4836]

I'm 57 and realize I know nothing about anything after listening to Peter Hitchens, loses me most of the time but fascinating mind

[@roodborstkalf9664]

Time to educate yourself.

[@astrogirluran]

So sad you don't have a good Conservative party, afraid to be themselves so ineffective, need to be credible alternative.

[@ladyfaye8248]

'the Obituary of Britain'....brilliant.

[@forearthbelow]

To think some people refuse to read The Daily Mail, some if it because Mr Hitchens writes for them. People don't believe me when I say that paper is hard on the Conservatives - The Mirror has not one word of criticism of Mr. Corbyn [or at least the copy I read recently]. Great interview.

[@markjennings2315]

Can I donate to a "go punch the noisy cretin with the rip saw" fund.

[@michaellawson6533]

How about an obituary of South Africa ?

[@goodyeoman4534]

The biggest world even ignored by the Western media. Along with the Saudi genocide of Yemen.

[@nigelsoden1821]

Michael Lawson there’s interest from ‘Russia’ that may have influence ( which I believe will have ) to infiltrate the current political power and over a period time change things that may suit the ‘Russians’ interest and suffocate some of the SA political ideology. This will change the landscape somewhat but I do think will benefit the minority ( those who have little say in the affairs of South African ). The ‘West’ has lost its moral ground while from the ‘East’, that is Russia, has moved away from the West and has found new purpose through its ‘religious’ institutions, tho not perfect but certainly more inclined to be morally inclined. Time will tell. Short term South Africa will see some form of turmoil but will escape the ravages been perpetrated by the ‘left’ in the West currently. The real present enemy is deeply infiltrated in all facets of government, the face not seen clearly but slowly there mask is been exposed.

[@raymondfearne8932]

Peter Hitchens has come a long, long way, since this interview! :)

[@calengr1]

11:00 vertical cut; 14:00 "Britan's obituarist"; 21 approx killing the grammar schools; grammar schools had been aiding social mobility 23:30; 26:44 decline of the married family