Sinn 144 St S Anniversary II

[@simonp7231]

Was just looking at the 144st online and boom your video goes live! I believe the leather band is shark skin, thick, but waterproof. Mine softened up after about 2 weeks of daily wear, lasted about 2 years even after using it in water! Great video, really enjoyed the presentation. When it comes to real useful innovation sinn is far ahead of any competition. (Don’t even mention Tudor or damasko 😆) Never have to take mine off, Sauna, ice bath, diving. Such a great brand 🔥

[@TimeToGoTravelAndTimepieces]

These are such excellent watches. I recently added a 157 to the collection and loving it. Thanks for the look at these 2 beauties 👍

[@PeterKotsa]

Very nice piece that 157, enjoy it brother..

[@res00xua]

Absolutely right about Time Only. Also we are all Sinners.

[@PeterKotsa]

Then we need to repent 😊

[@res00xua]

@@PeterKotsa better repeat

[@chrisp6681]

Yep highly recommend Timeonly

[@PeterKotsa]

@@IDKline possibly, but re-penting certainly guarantees any recent misdemeanours 😊

[@lpblade7]

All the Sinn love on this channel is wonderful. Top showcase!

[@gilleswinckler7023]

Thank you ! Lovely watches and I really appreciate the tone of your videos

[@PeterKotsa]

Thank you Gilles, for your encouraging words, much appreciated 🙏

[@chrisp6681]

Beautiful watches and video mate! Great to see Sinn, german watches in general and time only getting some credit

[@simonp7231]

Me too! Sinn Muhle Tutima 😮😮😍😍

[@benduhigg4423]

Me 3 😆

[@christopherjohnson4276]

Stunners for sure. 😲

[@BHNEOH]

Thumbs up review. Same watch with different approach when it comes with strap and bracelet. Love it the black version.

[@alvinpillay9995]

😂 Love the title. And the watches

[@e28forever30]

Sinn watches are incredible attractive to me. There is something in their design language that really pops. The orange, my god, it really pops on the dial. Incredible designs. Maybe someday I’ll own one…

[@terryg4681]

Lovely review, really beautiful watches. I think I prefer the stainless steel one. Sinn watches feel so great in the hands. Really high quality

[@felo6035]

I absolutely love Sinn watches. In this case I do prefer the older model as I do not like coatings on metal. Terrific review Peter, but that is just your norm. Thank you mate!

[@fredericc9676]

I'm so in love with my 903 that I'm gonna buy another Sinn. Maybe a U50. This brand has it all.

[@oceanwatchesclaudejolly1742]

Beautiful watches

[@leonm2407]

Claudia Schiffer, Heidi Klum and SINN... very appealing German models

[@evh4611]

Porsche 911 too

[@slaphead2965]

...the Sinn is less maintenance! 😉👍

[@motlay]

@@slaphead2965 ...and far more obtainable. Even limited to 600 pieces.

[@chulkcha]

@@slaphead2965 and affordable.

[@juniorjohnson5961]

Channel keeps getting better 👍

[@markbyrum4743]

Nice. Someday I too hope to be a "Sinner" (that is, an owner of a Sinn watch - we are all "sinners" without even trying). Good vid. Keep at it!

[@PeterKotsa]

Nicely said 👍

[@stavros_katsopr]

Hmm, double logo = double sin(n)... plus that spinning to start the show, mind spin! But the big sin is that these are tachy-chronos 🤪. Still the aesthetic of Sinn is marvelous. Can never go wrong, as long as you Sin(n). 🤣🤣🤣 Thanks for showing these mate. You know it's not my thing but always good to know. Be well, stay happy.

[@PeterKotsa]

Absolutely, hope you're doing well bro...👍

[@tnaylorplus6350]

In Europe Sinn is very popular. I also have a Damasko in my collection. We are also very fortunate in Europe to have many brands that are not exported throughout the world.

[@tobedetermined638]

just wanna say that your channel is really making my day, thank you for the effort you put into it (((:

[@randynovick7972]

Yeah, those Sinn leather straps need some break-in. I found the technique of taking the strap off and folding the springbar ends back on the strap itself (about 1 cm down from the spring bar) and clipping a clothespin at the fold, letting set for 2-3 days, puts just enough flex in the right spot that the watch sits flatter and more manageably. These are great watches, no question.

[@PeterKotsa]

Thanks for the info 👍

[@BeansAndBezels]

The 144 St S Anniversary II is gorgeous! Thanks for this video Peter.

[@PeterKotsa]

my pleasure, enjoy it 👍

[@jouwenlee7829]

I came across with Sinn brand about 14 years ago. They already had quite a lineup of fantastic looking and advanced material/technology in some of their watches back then. IMHO the downside of certain technology Sinn used like dehumidifier, special lubrication (if I am not wrong) means one has to send back to their service centre for services. Could a bit costly and longer wrist-off time. Thank you for making this video.

[@benduhigg4423]

Not in Australia, Time Only and Define Watches have an authorised service centre, from what I remember only the UX has to go back to Germany

[@baronbristow8764]

I like the old one!

[@anthonysmith2982]

I love Sinn Chronographs, these are very cool, but it's the 103 that really whets my whistle. BTW, I have a leather strap in the same style on my Lunar Pilot. It's made by a German Co. called Rios. Mine doesn't have that 'hump' of padding the Sinn strap has but it 𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙡𝙡 needs some wearing in after 3 or so months. And the Sinn strap looks a lot thicker! They'll last a lifetime, but they'll take a long time to soften up. Cheers Pete.

[@LivingInSaltLakeCity]

I have the anniversary edition and absolutely love it! Amazing video.

[@lancelloyd7429]

Damn. Another solid Sinn offering. 😍

[@perlundquist6938]

I pay very little attention to what the KZbin community buys. Name recognition is one thing, however what is important to me is does the watch meet my intended needs and do I like it? With Sinn my answer to both questions is yes. I would also recommend Damasko.

[@alextomlinson1725]

Agree with your point about the limit where the law of diminishing returns sets in. Also agree that German engineering is amongst the best. Two nice pieces very nicely reviewed.

[@PeterKotsa]

Thanks Alex..👍

[@yoinkhaha]

Interesting look through both casebacks, for sure!

[@MrNullifier]

I really need to get myself a Sinn. Nice vide by the way 👍

[@PeterKotsa]

Cheers

[@thewatchmission7693]

I really do love how purposeful Sinn watches are.

[@petercampbell3828]

I like Sinn. They fly under the radar of most "watch people". I think that a custom leather strap would solve the issue for sure.

[@PeterKotsa]

Absolutely, a nice soft leather strap would do the trick 👍

[@lefroy1]

The new one looks great with the ice blue lume showig. Pity it's not that colour in daylight too.

[@Csibu89]

the black tagimented case one looks stunning! okay it's a valjoux base, but that just means you can easily get it serviced for not a whole lot of money(gonna be more expensive than your 2824 ETA or Sellita, but still, it won't cost you a fortune).

[@PeterKotsa]

Although I like in-house, I’m a huge fan of valjoux and eta for that exact reason (long term service costs) Can’t beat it 👍

[@paulhart2021]

Work of Art!

[@slaphead2965]

The 144 ST SA is pretty slick! ⌚👍 Great video btw, Cheers!

[@PeterKotsa]

Welcome

[@stuartbrown25]

their both lovely watches, I bought a le jour mark 1 swiss eta 7750 Valjoux chronograph. no doubt by the name you can tell it's french, it was designed to look like the 1970s chronograph which was very popular back in the day. also, the subdials are black which look like the 1970s and 80s Orfina Porche watch design, just like martin shaw who played ray Doyle in the British programme the professionals (CI5). also, I believe the subdials are the same look as the dials you have in the porche motorcar. the Chrono pushers on my watch are hard click just like these Sinn watches and also 200m water resistance with lume and sapphire crystal. great watch costing me just under 1,300 pounds. great video peter, thanks for sharing.

[@PeterKotsa]

My pleasure Stuart 👍

[@roybatty4687]

Very similar to my Omega speedmaster 3513.53. Same colour scheme for sub dials same hands, logo at 3 o clock.

[@andrewd7586]

“Let he who has not SINNed, cast the first watch…um I mean stone!”🤣🤭🙏🏻 Yeah I gotta say Peter, Sinn I would love to own, so Sinn I will do! Amen🙏🏻😁 Another good review.👍🏼

[@PeterKotsa]

Thanks Andrew 👍

[@lamaludwig1470]

Beautiful watches. Bracelet is a must IMO.

[@timmcdonald5335]

I envy you being able to have these Sinn watches on your wrist. Great if you could review the Sinn U50.

[@PeterKotsa]

I’ll see what I can do Tim Cheers mate

[@AKhan.28]

new one looks dope

[@lucacadianalbert]

I love the old Sinn 144 St Sa with hidden lugs. I have the poor mans version from Le Jour and love it (although it's in desperate need of a service night now)

[@direnzowatches]

I have the original 157 titanium with Lemania movement , love it!

[@michaelniemer4449]

Double the Sinn, double the penance when you had to give them back 😂 What a lucky duck for the time you were able to enjoy them. May I just take a moment to say how next level it is that your watch guy is named Fabio. The rest of us can only dream to have such a life. Stay blessed, Peter!

[@fabiopetzold]

😆😆😆

[@PeterKotsa]

Absolutely..he is living the dream thats for sure..😎😎😎

[@mdunawaym]

I'm liking the OG.

[@AlexanderB.]

Hiya Pete! I noticed you seem to have a thing for German watches. You review more of them than most other channels, like Tutima, Mühle Glashütte and these aren't the first Sinn watches that popped up on your channel lately. Nice! Cheers mate!

[@PeterKotsa]

I’ve always been a sucker for products that say Made in Germany 🇩🇪 Quality and reliability are the first two things that come to mind Cheers mate

[@evh4611]

A micro adjustment clasp, on the fly, would be stunning

[@yaeger]

Try the Hadley Roma rubber strap. Has the same design as the black leather.

[@Stanjara]

Yes Peter, Yes! Marvelous! Top Gun watch.

[@MoeSzyslak0815]

Use the 144ST SA since 1994. 4Services during that time. No issues, never ever. Timeless time piece.

[@alexbern5188]

Beautuful!

[@kostar500]

Cool tool watch!

[@DashDrones]

€3,330 hmmmm, it's so smart. Thanks for sharing

[@M3LTUP]

Sinn is making some nice watches. Fortis is another manufacturer who is making some nice stuff.

[@135ipocketrocket2]

Very steep price for a 200m auto chrono, but the brand isn't a cheap one, and the build, as you say, is amazing. Such a legible dial for being so busy. A great layout. The bracelet difference in fit is a surprise. Very thorough review! 👍👍👍

[@caspar_gomez]

Really? Which 200m chronographs do you think are better value, genuinely curious

[@135ipocketrocket2]

@@caspar_gomez Lots to choose from, especially if leaning toward the nearly six grand version. Can get a Seamaster Chrono in that territory, or, for even less, a Breitling Superocean Chrono, with 500m WR. Or, less again, a 3000m WR Avenger Sea Wolf, lol. Looking at the lower priced tier, consider less pricey options from Doxa, or from Chris Ward, or a Seiko Transocean, or drop under a grand for a 7750 powered, 300m WR buy from Revue Thommen. Heck, Aragon put out an NE88 run 200m diver for a few hundred, with ceramic bezel, sapphire crystal. The list goes on.

[@caspar_gomez]

@@135ipocketrocket2 6k? this is a 2-3k watch where I am. So I'll discount all the breitlings. The doxa probably closest, but it's about the same price. I'll give you the aragonb or revue thommen, but personally don't think they come close for me. I'd take the sinn over all of them, so hard to call it steep.

[@135ipocketrocket2]

@@caspar_gomez Spend your money how it pleases you. I'll do the same. Prices are in AUD, which puts it far less for USD, so the high end one is $4700 and change. Means the Breitling options still count, lol. At $2500 for the non-anniversary edition, it's consistent with many opinions that Sinn is about paying more, so that's not my random opinion. What's worth it is relative, obviously. Overpayment is something most watch nuts do, myself include, which is why a U1, or likely U2 these days, is on my shopping list. Still steep for what it is, but that's the branded world of watches.

[@caspar_gomez]

@@135ipocketrocket2 yeah can't comment on taste or perceived quality, I'm in Europe so the breitlings and omegas are ~2x the price. the doxa I'd say is comparable in what you get, but they're also comparable in price (bit more here even), so I don't really get the 'very steep' comment. To be fair though I didn't realise you guys are in Australia, you do tend to get shafted on prices

[@tfchin23]

I do wish the hands are white all the way not just part-way. Sinn seems to do this for their watches. Otherwise great watch. Nice video Pete. Thanks very much.

[@PeterKotsa]

You’re welcome

[@timnaylor8208]

I have the original and wouldn't sell it for any reason.

[@davidwarburton8890]

Love tool watches, the all black has my full attention.

[@maljones.8737]

As looks go I like the old one.swap out the strap.away you go .Nice video Pete.thanks.🤺

[@PeterKotsa]

Yeah it does look great, thanks Mal..👍

[@WilliamButtel]

I want this bad but pricey for $5800 from what I found online, if this was like 2-3k aud im buying one now

[@carlledell9251]

We definitely love and support our German brands. Unfortunately, you lot most likely pay high tax and import fees. All I can say is if one has the means, you can't go wrong with Sinn. 🍻

[@aman803]

Wtf was that bezeless samurai in the intro

[@PeterKotsa]

I removed the original bezel and replaced it with a fixed one 👍

[@aman803]

@@PeterKotsa it looks insane!

[@PeterKotsa]

@@aman803 cheers

[@xeniamanuela2505]

Price ?

[@PeterKotsa]

Prices are on their website..

[@khole15]

Why cant Sinn, (and other watch makers) make more models with such a perfect L2L ????

[@ninozebec5740]

The decoration on the rotor is Cote de Geneve, not Perlage

[@aussie8114]

I can’t afford that.

[@PeterKotsa]

A little pricey for sure..I was sad I had to give em back 😔😂

[@fakenewsisthenews3542]

Did you just say "Coronagraph"? LOL

[@PeterKotsa]

I don’t know, maybe I did 😂

[@paulhiggins8774]

My wife would consider it a sin if I bought that watch, now how do I get it into the house without her seeing it :)

[@rubikmonat6589]

I would start with bringing it in the front door around my wrist, and see what happens.

[@vicvictoras6071]

Porsche design orfina chronograph homages, dare to say.

[@terryg4681]

Sinn made the 144 design in 1974 but before then already made this design in 1969 for alfa romeo marketing. 3 years before the Porsche design orfina came out, if anything porsche design was heavily influenced by the Sinn Alfa 😆

[@vicvictoras6071]

@@terryg4681I'm 50 years old and as a teenager I remember people wearing the Porsche design, like Tom Cruise in Top Gun.I think this is the iconic watch.

[@CyberBeep_kenshi]

They are probably good but if water resistance is so important, my Steinhart ocean 39, for a fifth of the price, has 500m....

[@8AP1]

One is a diver the other is a sports chronograph, with non screw down pushers, so no comparison really.

[@anonimushbosh]

I don't understand the universal fascination with chronographs with mostly useless sub dials that don't even measure full hours & require quick mental agility to read say 5hrs 43mins. Actually I do - they're bought because they're fashionable and if someone with a Speedy or a Daytona needs to time something then that's what phones are for. But why does everyone completely ignore the one mechanical movement that's quicker and more convenient at timing minutes & hours than even any digital or smart watch? 'Almost' everyone... the Sinn 144 is definitely the wrong Sinn to get excited about.

[@8AP1]

Why buy a watch then? Just use your phone.

[@anonimushbosh]

@@8AP1 Compared to a good usable chrono a smartphone/watch (even with voice control )is fiddly & takes too long to use. If G-Shock had a one-touch stopwatch it would immediately become one of the best three chronographs money could buy, alongside the Breguet XXI, IWC Yachtclub & a defunct Bell & Ross Blackbird that no one bought. If watch enthusiasts were remotely interested in chronographs for timings rather than gawpings there’d be many many versions of usable ones at every budget.

[@8AP1]

@@anonimushbosh I get what you're saying, and you are dead right. Most people buy chronographs for the romance and history, and rarely time things more than a few minutes (if at all). Personally, I like this watch for the longevity of the design, and its 70 throwback. However, the valjoux 7750 is a very solid time-tested workhouse movement. Yes, the running 30 minutes is a bit of a pain, and you have to look at the elapsed hours to work out whether it's the first 30 or last 30 minutes. The Lemania 5100 kind of achieved what you're saying, by using a central minute counter and elapsed seconds counter. That's primarily the reason it's hailed as one of the "greatest" chronograph movements as it was very user friendly, and subsequently heavily used by armed forces. Unfortunately, it's no longer in production, but Sinn developed the SZ01 movement, which mimics the 5100. I suggest you maybe take a look at some of the Sinn watches housing the SZ01 or SZ02 movement. That movement was also a joint development with Damasko, so Damasko also use it in their DC8X series. Really nice simple chronographs that are joy to use, and IMO are just a much better design.

[@anonimushbosh]

@@8AP1 I have a Sinn 140st with the Lemania inspired SZ01. If it was a flyback it’d have a serious claim to being THE best watch ever! A good compromise though would be an ana-digi with a one-touch chrono.

[@8AP1]

@@anonimushbosh Awesome, I've always admired the 140st, but never seen one in person. I have the new 156.1 and love it. Have you looked at the Hanhart 417 ES flyback? Only a 30 minute counter but a pretty neat package for the money.

[@Ktrb]

More than 4k$ for a Sinn 🤯

[@zillsburyy1]

the lume on my sinn ux diver sucks

[@heinrichheuer6510]

Guinand is the real Sinn now

[@heinrichheuer6510]

@@PeterKotsa they have almost the same watch for less money

[@nikouai]

What I like about Sinn is that they have personality and their own designs. I have the U50 and 556a and those are on my wrist half of the time

[@chrisp6681]

I disagree. Helmut Sinn started Guinand as a side project that never really took off, no innovation goes into them and the quality is meh. Sinn is by far the best german tool watch followed by tutima and muhle glashutte

[@johnm5131]

reminds me of the old Porsche Design watches of the 1980's.The only thing that bothers me about these Sinn models is the laziness in designing the cases. 14+mm thickness?? Seriously? 20 years ago, 12mm was too thick. So with all of the advanced CAD and 5-axis machining, this is the best we can get?? Pure laziness and cost-cutting.

[@benduhigg4423]

Its the thickness of all watches using these standards high grade swiss movements and thick sapphire crystal glass. What do you want a in house movement under 5k with this case tech?

[@chrisp6681]

14mm is fine for most people, especially when it has 200m water resistants in a Chronograph under 5k with pushers and thick sapphire crystal glass front and back! I agree, did you want them to build an in house movement as well for that price? Dont see the cost-cutting at all

[@johnm5131]

@@benduhigg4423 no, and don't act like a fool please. A quick review of watches from 1990-1995 for example, shows catalogs of mid-grade ETA movements (7750 is one) in 10-11mm cases with 38mm diameters. TAG, Ebel, Omega, all produced budget ($1200 at that time) models that were thin, graceful, rugged, accurate and had water resistance at 120-200meters. I sit here holding a 1995 Seamaster 120 at 10mm and in my other hand a new seamaster 150 and it is 14mm. pure laziness. I don't expect all watches to be like my patek 5712 at 9mm either, but at least give it a try!

[@johnm5131]

@@chrisp6681 again, I don't want a fanboy debate, but you miss the point. But I will ask you a question: Why did the 7750 only require 10mm cases for the last 30 years, in watches with the same water resistance...and now they make all of the watches 14-15-16mm in thickness? What say you? (and you don't need a thick sapphire crystal for this water resistance) A nomos with in house movement and 200mm of WR is 8.9mm thick. That is the whole watch, BTW.

[@giusepperocchi2979]

I totally agree. Silly thickness is putting me away from chronographs lately.