Petra IS IN the Qur'an! - Data vs. interpretation - Qibla Dilemma - Episode 6

Dan believes that Petra was the birthplace of Muhammad and Islam. Despite claims that the famed city was in ruins during Muhammad’s time, geographical and historical evidence say otherwise. Petra was a thriving booming metropolis during the birth of Islam, a beacon of wealth, trade, and culture - everything Mecca has always claimed to be. Al Fadi and Dan also refute the claim of Petra never being mentioned in the Qur'an. While it is never mentioned by the name we call it today, there are several mentions of it by other names and references. Petra is alive and well in the Qur'an because Petra is the real Mecca.
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[@obiano-ngwuekene7350]

What struck me was the "Zamzumite". Petra has MORE ARCHAEOLOGICAL AND GEOGRAPHICAL EVIDENCE THAN Mecca in Saudi Arabia.

[@MainframeCobol]

It is always a joy to learn from Dan Gibson may the LORD extend his life. God bless you Al Fadi.

[@aevumcorvi2108]

Amen.

[@aevumcorvi2108]

Thank you Al Fadi and Dan Gibson, at this point it is now showing that this is a work spanning a significant part of Dan's life, and for which he had lived in situ.

[@-BigIi-]

''situ''? (edited) *ok, I get you now* :))) for a moment I thought it was a typo\unfinished sentence:)

[@aevumcorvi2108]

@@-BigIi- Thank you sir.

[@courag1]

Yes, Petra would be considered a “blessed city” in that it had water, well-developed systems of water channels to be able to capture any rain which fell. They had all the sorts of vegetation in and around Petra, like olive trees, loam, near to the supposed pillar of salt said to be Lot’s wife as Muhammad daily walked passed this. No way he walked passed this down in what is today Saudi Arabia! Brilliant show today, my congratulations to Al Fadi and Dan Gibson.

[@williamgarayua5878]

"The Mother of All Settlements"; is mentioned in REVELATIONS & nothing good is connected to that City, only its dooms day under FIRE!

[@agengsatya96]

Quran 14:37. Our Lord, I have settled some of my descendants in an *uncultivated valley* near Your sacred House, our Lord, that they may establish prayer. So make hearts among the people incline toward them and provide for them from the fruits that they might be grateful.

[@michaels4255]

But more on point, it was "blessed" because it was a religious as well as commercial center.

[@henkh63]

@@agengsatya96 According to Tafsir Al Jalalayn this should apply to Mecca, and to Hagar and Ishmael. So where is Abraham - who is supposedly being quoted here - himself? And why are the locations not mentioned? If the location was a valley near Petra or Jerusalem it would fit just as well. And if Abraham left Ishmael in (or near) Mecca to "establish prayer", then why did he not stay there himself, since it was the holy place of his god? This all makes no sense. There was no Mecca in the time of Abraham, no Ka'aba, no nothing!

[@agengsatya96]

@@henkh63 near house of god, not near mecca! & it's in uncultivated valley! & petra or jerusalem is not uncultivated!

[@adnan2072]

I see the work of you guys as revolutionary. Stay blessed everyone.

[@ghhammer3498]

Great video Al Fadi and Dan Gibson. Very interesting material you show us.

[@pictureel5863]

Amazing! Great work!!

[@Pappu_9065]

Great job Dan

[@abebezeleke1337]

God bless you Alfadi i am always following your posts💚🙏

[@generaljg4373]

Gibson petra claims have been debunked long time ago just like the trinity have been debunked long time ago

[@ProfYaffle]

@@generaljg4373 there has been no debunking of the Trinity, not by anyone, no time. Just cos you have a god who is not capable of being 3persons and 1being doesn't mean we do! YHWH is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Stop making a fool of yourself.

[@generaljg4373]

@@ProfYaffle even ur bible debunk the trinity, oh Israel your lord is one, Yup the trinity is false doctrine😆

[@daduzadude1547]

@@generaljg4373 Morning my favorite Sufi Apostate! So that’s why Jesus said “I and the Father are one” or why God said “This is My Son in whom I am well pleased” Or why Jesus said “No one comes to the Father but through me” and “I am the Alpha and Omega” And why allah called Isa the word and spirit of allah… heck the Trinity is even in your book! 🤣

[@generaljg4373]

@@daduzadude1547 god also call Adam and Jackob my sons in the bible are they part of the trinity as well? jesus says in the bible to the israelite I'm going to ur god and my god, the bible debunk that jesus is god😂

[@zeus.87]

One of the best episodes so far 👏👏

[@AndiWidjaja]

Al Fadi, this is amazing video series with high quality guest. 👍 Please do more of this and maintain high quality of your channel. Don't need to give platform to guest who based their theory mostly from speculations even if that guest has a lot of followers.

[@stevejankins405]

Al Fadi is a good listener. Thats great.

[@philipjames2570]

Thank you Bros Dan and Al Fadi.

[@jerusalemite6522]

in hebrew we call the area of petra the Bikat Ha Yarden (valley of BEKKA). meaning splitted rock valley

[@islamizz6759]

In Quran is mentioned by Baka the oldest temple or home

[@drstrangelove4998]

Great to see Dan Gibson with Al Fadi. Made myself a good coffee and sat down to watch this! It was absolutely fascinating as anticipated.

[@aldredtawasil9339]

Petra, originally known to it's inhabitant ( Raqmu or Raqeemu) is a historic and archaeological sites located in southern Jordan..

[@peterjackson2625]

Raqmu is the name for Petra that I found also.

[@judahsamaria5250]

Great video learned a lot.

[@henktmmr]

Thank you Al Fadi! GBU!

[@SzTz100]

As a Muslim I find this very fascinating, including the original documentary Dan did a few years ago.

[@ronafortnitenoobie1392]

Thank you for keeping an open mind. I find it fascinating that a prophet of Allah like Mohammad cheated on his wife Hafza and even beat Aisha. What are your thoughts about these?

[@sagittariusa7662]

Do you now face Petra while praying?

[@SzTz100]

@@sagittariusa7662 It's wrong to assume that everyone who calls themselves a Muslim is somehow devout or even believes in it. I am now an ex-Muslim. By this I mean that the historical evidence for the standard Islamic narrative is weak and therefore not something I can come on-board with. Even before this I wasn't a strict adherent of Islam and hardly prayed. And now it seems Mecca was somewhere else. Too many holes in Islam.

[@sagittariusa7662]

@@SzTz100 Good for you in leaving the cult. You must feel like a former member of Scientology. Anyways, this is a faith you were born into without much say and when you had a say, you realize "What the F is this? I'm out" and so you are out as you have said. Islam has been bastardized so much due to politics that it isn't what it originally was and it has no reason to be in Jerusalem at all, which is critical. We have millions of people suffering, right now in Gaza, due to this blunder. And they really shouldn't be suffering. Even though, I believe people should be free to believe whatever they want, we don't have that luxury outside of the Western World. And even though Israel is a Western country, it is surrounding by non-Western lands. So it makes sense at least given the area that there has been some regard for conformity at least when it concerns outsiders, which are the Palestinians. So even though I really don't think they should be forced into Judaism. I do believe they should have a right to leave Islam like yourself and I do believe given the environment that in order to live in Israel, it would be preferrable for them to convert to Judaism just as a means to guarantee the peace. It would be better for them to be Agnostic or Atheistic or Christian or whatever, but given the sensitivity of the area the greater advantage of being Jewish holds in regards to israel to itself, I believe this condition should be endorsed upon the Palestinians just so they can live better lives. Not so they can abandon Christianity for those that want to be Christian, but certainly for those that are Muslim. I believe that the Christians will just move like the Lebanese to America or some place like that making it not really an issue for Israel if they are just going to move to New York within a year anyways.

[@SzTz100]

@@sagittariusa7662 haha, kind of. But it opens up even more questions about religion in general and what the universe is really all about.

[@sandytatham3592]

Loved this. Thank you Dan!!! I can't wait to visit Jordan and Petra again now that I have so much more information to refute objections to your theory.

[@simonhengle8316]

Excellent research 👍

[@karmacounselor]

I love it thanks! shokran!

[@danieljosephdelta44semperfi]

Awesome dear brothers, so exciting, oh God save the Muslims now in the name of Jesus thank you brothers and God keep you and God bless you oh God in the name of Jesus

[@ethercruiser1537]

Fascinating! Great job!!!

[@TesseRact7228]

Great stuff...

[@QabilAGhor]

This reminds me of Kamal Salibi's book called, "The Bible Came From Arabia." In that book, Salibi argued that nearly all Biblical place names, including Jerusalem, came from Arabia as ancient villages exist in Saudi Arabia which have similar names. But those names, except for Jerusalem, have never been found in Palestine/Israel. So, it could have been the opposite!

[@maxschon7709]

Dan as great as ever !!

[@maxtigas2906]

Dan as cool as ever. I admire Dan the way he talk.

[@maxschon7709]

@@maxtigas2906 Because he is like the mix of Al Fadi and Dr Jay - calm like Al Fadi but resolute like Dr Jay. And he takes on the science level which nobody can dismiss right out of the hand. The only thing I think he is wrong: Mohummad might never existed in the first place - but the place he shall live it in was Petra.

[@nurisunnah2871]

Thanks for the vid. Allah bless you ❤ Knowledge is key.

[@user-cs2gz5em8n]

Fascinating stuff . Good work

[@ramOahi]

This is some extremely interesting content, great to see passion towards the history

[@kimkurbitz8503]

Home of Esau..Gen. 32:3 Descendants.. Deut. 2 2:20 zamzum-mim Destruction..Ezekiel 35:15 God bless 🙏

[@joek8948]

A century from now people will remember Dan & Petra the same way we remember Darwin & evolution.

[@Sango-po5pi]

And probably Islam would be totally debunked as a religion and go the way of paganism .

[@roshlew6994]

Informative.

[@AbrarKhan-hz2mm]

Slightly off-topic, since Dan mentioned about York in England, interestingly, not far from there, if you travel up towards Durham and then Sunderland you will come across a tiny village called Philadelphia and if you keep traveling up north, not far from there is another little town called Washington. Its quite amusing reading road signs to these places since whenever you think of Philadelphia or Washington the first thing that comes to your mind is United States but then you realize that the names of these huge American metropolises come from these tiny towns and villages in the middle of nowhere in the northeast part of rural England, it's absolutely fascinating.

[@DaimosZ]

in addition, Philadelphia was the the Roman name for what is now Amman, the capital of Jordan.

[@user-lo9si5dx8t]

There is also Boston, although if say Boston to someone he would think USA lol Paris Paris, Arkansas, a city. Paris, Idaho, a city. Paris, Illinois, a city. Paris, Indiana, an unincorporated community. Paris, Iowa, an unincorporated community. Paris, Kentucky, a city. Paris, Maine, a town. Algiers in New Orleans etc...

[@AbrarKhan-hz2mm]

@@user-lo9si5dx8t oh yes Boston one of my favourite cities in the States. I have also been to the original Boston in Lincolnshire, England. Its a beautiful little town named after St Botolph, an Anglo Saxon monk from 7th century.

[@AbrarKhan-hz2mm]

@@DaimosZ thanks for sharing. | didn't know about the Roman Philadelphia, its fascinating stuff!

[@DaimosZ]

@@AbrarKhan-hz2mm you're welcome

[@nemesis1291]

This channel is the most important channel 2022.

[@generaljg4373]

Hahaha nobody knows this self proclaimed scholar of Islam al fadi🤣

[@tonyputman3398]

@@generaljg4373 Hello Mr. Nobody!! God bless y'all!!

[@ProfYaffle]

@@generaljg4373 except all the people who have left Islam because of His work. And you know Al Fadi because he worries you so you come to troll

[@generaljg4373]

@@tonyputman3398 and who are you Grandma?

[@ossamah1959]

بارك الله بكم عملكم مبارك. اكملوه فم الله

[@leahhamdaoui7755]

Totally fascinating and such a studious and well researched and convincing interpretation done and delivered with great respect to Islam. Machallah Mr Dan Gibson.

[@ericlima2832]

Thank you

[@ngashmir]

Refute that if you can! Excellent presentation. As clear as it can get.

[@ShqipeInfo-bc3ss]

I act if a were a muhamadan: " you arrrr a liarrrr, jesus peace be upon him is not god, you believe in 3 gods" you see how easy i can refute you 🤣

[@D.-yh4bu]

​@ShqipeInfo-bc3ss wrong! we do not believe in 3 separate Gods.Jesus said I am in my father as my father is in me... Also....Before abraham was "I am" Why does it say in genesis in the Tora, "Let's make man in "OUR" image ? Let me ask you another question. Doesn't your koran say muhammad's or Allah's words cannot be wrong? And he says to believe the people of the book right? But then you claim that the Bibles been corrupted but you can go back to Greek Aramac and hebrew text over and over again and it says the same things.Show me where it was corrupted and if it was that means Mohammad's wrong

[@l.sweden]

Love Dan Gibson!

[@brachisaurous]

Dan always manages brings back Petra into serious contention for the original location of Mecca. Fascinating!

[@shuk1964]

Petra is the place where Holy Grail is buried somewhere into the mountain

[@theastronomer5800]

Fascinating look at ancient sources!

[@eddiegeijn9965]

I was always wandering were the cresent moon sign came from on top of the mosques as like the cross on top of the churches has its origen. Well it seems the old testament of the bible points to the area of petra/midian in that case too it seems as we can read in Judges 8:21 and 26 in the story of Gideon.

[@ShqipeInfo-bc3ss]

Paganism my friend. Sacred moon, for their god is the sabean god of the moon, the moongod with 3 doughters (lat,uzza,manat), the stars, sabeans worshipped stars, so thats the unification or tawheed of them. Muhammad was called SABI = sabean, because he was sabean to, then later he become power through khatidsha when she died and then he claimed to be a prophet of the sabeans, then he even tried to be a jewish prophet, then also he tried to be christian prophet, but all of them rejected him, because of false prophet with no sign from God. Then he simply did mix sabeanism (Kinze Rba) + Torah + New Testament + Apokryphal Books + Jewish legends = thats exactly islam. You dont believe me? Then my friend you were never interested in the true islam, if you had studied only 10% you would see at least the same picture as i can see. Mest up cult and worst cult ever existed in the earth history.

[@4SyriaTruth]

Petra/Hijr = where Abraham went with Hagar acc to Islamic tradition, also the real tomb of Aaron is in Petra, and it is a city of ancient tombs - unlike "Saudi Mecca" where no pre-Islamic tombs have been found

[@Joshuaalabi]

Thanks to you guys for this big work you are doing. The work of Dan Gibson is enough to rewrite the political geography of the Arabs if it had been stumbled upon by an Harvard university professor. However I sense a huge opposition and suppression by the power that be against Dan Gibson been a Christian author and much more so for exposing information that has the potential to destroy popular belief about Islam

[@khany6345]

It may be possible that people from Petra migrated to what is now Mecca , either due to religious persecution or due to natural disaster. These people were Ismaelites, off shoot of Jew religion, who are descendent of Ismael , and his son Nebaioth , the first born son. This could be origin of Nabateans. The cubical structure which is typical worship place through out Arabian desert, especially around Yemen, had one special characteristic associated with it, and that is Black stone. Once placed in this cubical structure, you have combination of old rituals of Bedouins and rituals of people from Petra. This is now part of Islamic religious rituals. Rest is all history, created later on during Ummiyads and written during Abbasids era.

[@friedpickles342]

I've seen jews wear the black rock on their heads

[@aaronkristo858]

Beyond the grandchildren of Ishmael, there is no further historical record of his lineage.

[@saiaditya844]

@@friedpickles342That is not a rock. It’s Tefillin. A box made of skin from cow’s neck. There are hand written scrolls inside the box.

[@lorenh763]

It seems to me that Gibson's work, makes Prophet Muhammad more viable not less for it puts him smack in the middle of Bible Territory linking his story to that of Abraham and Ishmael rather than remote from it, despite anyone's possible wish to the contrary

[@joecurran2811]

Gibson does not deny Muhammad. I agree Petra is closer to The Holy Land.

[@aaronkristo858]

The qibla walls of the earliest mosques face Petra, not Jerusalem. And there is no historical record if Ishmael's lineage beyond his grandchildren. There is a 1000 year gap between Ishmael's grandchildren and the earliest record of Muhammad's ancestry. Everyone in between that gap, Muhammad filled in with fictional people. Like most things in Islam, it doesn't take much digging before the whole thing falls apart.

[@RO-dx2pr]

Wonderful

[@samendican2124]

Good research with archeological and historical evidences

[@Man_663]

It doesn’t really have any historical or archaeological evidence backing it up, in fact most of the historical and archaeological evidence we have suggest that Mecca has always been in Hejaz lol, gibsons theory suggests that the major shifting to a different qibla happened during the time of the Abbasids, if that’s the case then how come the Umayyads of cordoba didn’t write anything about a qibla change despite them being enemies with the Abbasids? And how come there are no historical records that were present at the time mention anything about a qibla change? This theory is a fringe one and most scholars don’t take it serious

[@ISKeeylaas]

Amazing

[@joseywales3789]

Brilliant Series, Al Fadi......... when the Jewish people have Archeological Evidence of the City of David in Jerusalem from the Bronze age, around 1,000BC and the Christians have Archeological Evidence of the home of Saint Peter and Jesus Christ in Capernaum on the banks of the Sea of Galilee from 24BC but the followers of the Islamic Ideology have *NO ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE* of any of their historic sites, even the Kaa'ba cannot be dated as it's made from Volcanic Rock and to carbon date the rock only proves when the Volcano Erupted. The Polytheists from Yemen who first inhabited Mecca probably built it to their Gods in the 5th century AD! But Mohammads home, Aisha's home or any other historic site is covered in concrete! If it was ever there in the first place?

[@AndiWidjaja]

According to Lloyd, Yemeni worshipped a moon god named al-maqah in Yemen, likely the origin of the word mecca. Since then various cities was called mecca. Based on Dan's explanation, it seems that it started in Petraeus (first in northern Petra - smaller rock, then in the second Petra - bigger rock), before the current mecca - black stones. I would speculate the moon worshipping cult started in Yemen and was adopted in Petra by the Nabateans merchants.

[@fantasia55]

Pagans in Ephesus worshipped a rock.

[@joseywales3789]

@@AndiWidjaja, I agree wholeheartedly with Lloyd De Jongh and we know from Islamic Scriptures that the Kaa'ba was surrounded with Polytheists, Pagan Statues prior to the followers of Islam removing them. I've also read that there's evidence of a smaller Kaa'ba being built into the Kaa'ba that we see today and in certain light you can clearly see where the original Kaa'ba has been extended by the colour of the rock. But my main concern is *WHY?* ...... Why is there NO Archeological Evidence of anything in Mecca that predates Mohammad?? And Why is there NO Archeological Evidence of Mohammads time or that era in Mecca? No pottery, no artifacts, nothing! Mecca is in an arid, dry, volcanic rock plateau and therefore any artifacts would survive intact. If Mecca was the center of a great civilisation as Islam claims, there would be some Archeological Evidence of this Civilisation. All over the World from Deep in a northeast Kimberley rock shelter on Balanggarra Country is a two metre-long rock painting of a kangaroo. The painting is dated 17,500 years old or 15,500 BC. There's parts of the "Great Wall of China" in the Gobi Desert that's dated to the 7th Century BC, and Newgrange, the Stone Age (Neolithic) monument in the Boyne Valley, County Meath, Ireland. Newgrange was constructed 3,200 BC. Not to mention, The Great Pyramids of Giza or Stonehenge! So what's the Evidence of Mecca? NONE!!!

[@AndiWidjaja]

@@joseywales3789 because the current mecca didn't exist until the 8th century.

[@ethercruiser1537]

Was it volcanic rock or pa of a meteorite?

[@vallieclay3041]

Wow... Mind blowing facts! No wonder Islam is so confusing in many ways.

[@Ahmed21313]

ce n'est pas l'islam qui est déroutant, c'est ce qu'ont fait les ommeyades ennemis de muhammed et de sa famille qu'ils ont massacré et les abassides. ne dite pas n'importe quoi please. moi je crois à la théorie de Petra car les premiers chiites y croyaient.

[@ABDTalk1]

like Trinity, Original sin... etc..

[@intuitive_data_science]

Like, more confusing than a human god 😂

[@eddiegeijn9965]

Dan mentioned York as the root for New York. Funny he mentioned that cause the first name for New York was New Amsterdam and parts were called Harlem and the root is the dutch city Haarlem and Brooklyn's root is the dutch city Breukelen.

[@franciskaruru8018]

Crazy.

[@srebalanandasivam9563]

Amalekites and Amorites were the ancestors of the Arab tribes and the latter worshipped Moloch and Rephanim

[@Kingfishertim24]

Can you walk through the meaning of Bakkah? I know the Arabic word for Petra is Baqqa. A Muslim tried to explain to me how Bakkah is the area directly around the Kaaba. It’s a dubious claim to me since I can’t find that description anywhere…

[@Vankatraman]

Thanks for illuminating our minds through your intensive research. Please note that Sanskrit origin of Arabic words. Shila ,,rock ,Patrick, peter, Patricia root word is pitre Sanskrit, black stone kaaba sangge aswad is ashwet , not white is snskrit . Metro is matri again sanskrit. I believe Taxshila university near Peshawar played a big role in Central Asia, middle East,, Iran, iraq Arab etc. Because students of Taxshila university occupied all elite positions in these areas. Hindus, budhiest religion prevailed . Later abrahmic means not brahmi cal religions flourished .

[@ryansiam9557]

Lol. Cow worshipper 😂

[@TRFrench]

No Kidding!

[@Hamann9631]

13:30. Not only is there a "New York" in American. In the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania there is a city "York" which is an exact match to "York" from the other side of the ocean.

[@maxschon7709]

What heard that the in arabic Makkah has it root in مكان = mkkan PLACE/ side. Also mention be that the fully arabic name of Mecca is Makkah Al-Mukarramah = "Makkah the Honored", also refered as the "Holy City of Makkah" and if Makkah original means it can be translated as "Place of the Holy city" OR better "The honour Place" . That today's Makkah can be renamed is logical - Islam renamed cities quite often Yathrib -> Medina, Al Qahira for Cairo and many others

[@thorandlundeve]

yathrib = jethro (an ancient city near baghdad) madyan = medes (an ancient kingdom in east of today iraq)

[@maxschon7709]

@@thorandlundeve Yathrib is the accient name of Medina in Arabia.

[@thorandlundeve]

@@maxschon7709 nope. don't let standard islamic narrative fools you

[@maxschon7709]

"Before the advent of Islam, the city was known as Yathrib (pronounced [ˈjaθrɪb]; يَثْرِب), supposedly named after an Amalekite king, Yathrib Mahlaeil" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medina

[@thorandlundeve]

​@@maxschon7709 that's what islamic narrative told you. i don't think you're a muslim

[@SaintFluffySnow]

Arabia Petraea = Petra/Mecca

[@usmanmanni786]

Mecca Medina was moved from Dedan it was near a river near nowadays Jordan. Our last PROPHET Huthman is known by his title MUHAMMAD. Also, the shahada is sacrilegious against GOD, the quran that was burnt by Uthman and OUR last prophet Huthman.

[@sagittariusa7662]

It cements a very crucial history of Islam as being derived from much closer to the Jewish Holy Land. The problem is that it also point to Jerusalem as not the Farthest Mosque. Jerusalem is right next door to Petra compared to Medina. "The general consensus of modern Muslim scholars is that the Isra' and Mi'raj were specific to a physical place called al-Masjid al-Aqsā ("the Far Mosque") and that Muhammad did indeed go to a physical location." But where did the companions of Muhammad while Muhammad was alive fled after being kicked out of "Mecca" (which was actually Becca, which was another name for Petra), East Africa. So that means the al-Masjid al-Aqsa would be in East Africa. Yeah, the Muslims have no reason to be in Jerusalem at all. At more likely it was not just a deliberate ploy (as Islam is very much tied to politics) to take control over the Jews by making the Mosque in Jerusalem the third holiest site, and going further to make Islam appear like a continuation of Judaism or at least the Abrahamic Faith. Islam was a monotheistic alteration of the Nabataean Folk Religion. They may have had ties to Judaism, more correctly Proto-Semitic faith in general as being fellow Semites, but Islam really has no reason to be in Jerusalem or in Palestine for that matter. It really doesn't at least not to the extent of dying a holy war over.

[@PremKumar-nk3db]

Good 👍🏽

[@welcometomyworldlouismoniz2758]

I wanted to ask you a favor if I can share your video on my TIKTOK channel in a different language Wolof from west Africa Senegal but I live here in USA thanks and I watch you a lot I just want to share the truth

[@michaels4255]

Petra was the Greek name of the city, but Petra was not a Greek speaking city to my knowledge, so it makes sense that it would also have a name of Semitic origin.

[@sonosmusica]

Well, here is the documentary in question - it covers many archaeological and text topics not addressed here. >> Has Modern Archaeology Changed The History Of Islam? | The Sacred City | Parable

[@cascarrabias397]

Colonia in Spanish is the same as Barrio, meaning neighborhood.

[@tiagorodrigues3730]

To the Romans, "Colonia" meant a settlement that was created by settling a number of retired legionnaires, and thus a settlement of Roman citizens as opposed to native peoples without Roman citizenship. Of course, after the third Century, the difference between a _cives_ and a _peregrinus_ had been erased by the Antoninian Constitutions, but the practice of settling veterans in the provinces must have still been alive and well.

[@MrMrneil1]

very convincing, lots of correlated data. However, while the black stone came from Petra, and the mosques faced Petra, its connection to Arabs does not mean that the Koran was written there: I've visited Petra, Antioch, Baalbak, Harran, etc. and have no doubt that the physical geography of the Koran audience fits none of these, only Homs fits.

[@vicmath1005]

@Neil Sutherland You make a very interesting point. I need to read your book for an understanding of the Homs angle. For some reason, I have held the view that the writing took place in Yemen.

[@fantasia55]

Islam combined many sources - the Petra rock, the Iraqi Quran, the Jerusalem temple, etc.

[@flamingchillum]

Petra is the lost city. good show...

[@defenderoftruth3212]

It looks like Jay Smith and Abdul Fadi become irritatingly jealous when they could read something beautiful are written about Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). What they want is that all writers would always go by their line of thinking of always finding faults against Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), and that what they should write will always be about his bad sides. If only they have a supernatural power to squeeze the intelligence of Michael H. Hart and the likes of him, they would do so to make them write anything negative only about Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). What they lose sight of the fact is that they cannot suppress the intelligence of the writers and their independence to write. They cannot make them succumbed to their evil motives. -06-19-23

[@louellacentina89]

Everytime I view your channel forgive me because cannot help laughing instead of being sad to what they did irrationally twisting the true facts and events,its like Iwas.hearing a fairy tale of Puss n boots? Lol! That's why you are called by God in a special way to deliver the history and true facts about this what they called religion? Not so only narratives and opinions thank you CIRA International thank you Rev. Pastor Al Fadi!Thank you sirDan Gibson!.God BLESS

[@aryabiotech1307]

SHEELA in hindu word known as small mountain or very very big rock

[@defenderoftruth3212]

Is it not worth pondering upon as to why the ORIGINAL ARAMAIC GOSPEL cannot still be produced by the Christian scholars up to now? If I were a Christian, I would give a second look on my faith since I have no book from God to serve as my basis for my spirituality and religiosity. I would not hesitate to give a second thought by questioning the genuineness of the source of my faith which come only from the opinions and ideas of different men. How could it be that their words become the words of God? Am I in the right track? Or, should I now shift lane to erase the doubts bothering me? Or, should I choose procrastination until the original Aramaic Gospel would surface from oblivion? But my end is getting nearer and nearer every day. I have to act now and waste not a second. I have to choose the religion whose book comes from God. With that, I am sure that I am following the words of God, and not the words of men. I am certain now that I have a better place to go to. Paradise. -06-22-23

[@americanpolitic1]

Some think Matthew was originally written in a Semitic language. There are theories on a common source for Matthew, Mark, and Luke due to their similarities. A lot comes down to what authority(authorities) one believes in terms of perceived truth. The truth itself does not of course change. Didn’t Khadijah have a cousin or relative from among the Christians, a Nestorian? This would make sense in Jordan and the Levant as Nestorianism today is in that area and traveled the Silk Road.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

How I earnestly wish that there is now an original ARAMAIC GOSPEL because I am dying inside to read it. I hope there is a translation in English. It's hard to read it in its original form in Aramaic. I don't know that language. I think Aramaic is much harder to read than Arabic. From what museum or library can we find the original ARAMAIC GOSPEL? Is there any original manuscript for it? I am urging Jay Smith and his cohorts to produce that book as soon as possible so that Muslims and Christians alike will be enlightened. -05-13-23

[@emmanuelroosevelt6840]

This is called Decoding Islam.. how will Muhammad feel knowing that his infallible Islam has a lot of holes in its narrative...?

[@gungahlin10]

Theophanes the Confessor notes that Mohammad was a Medianite Arab. Median was in Northwestern Arabia in the same area that encompasses Petra.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

From where did the Bible come from, and to whom it was being sent to? Who was the sender, and who was the recipient? -06-26-23

[@defenderoftruth3212]

As per my study, the 4 make-believe gospels are written in the wrong language. The true original Gospel is written in Aramaic. But Jay Smith and Abdul Fadi are evading to let their books be put under scrutiny. So, to hide the falsehood of the 4 make-believe gospels, they diverted the attention of the viewers to the Qur'an which is written in its original Arabic language. Dig up first the original Aramaic Gospel. That is the best contribution you could do to the whole Christendom. -07-05-23

[@Heartsandsouls786]

Mecca today was known as Bacca, why did it change?

[@defenderoftruth3212]

Granting Dan Gibson went as far as China to measure the old mosques there. How did he measure the inaccuracy of the qibla direction of the mosques which he claimed is directed toward Petra? Granting he went to other places where old mosques were built, what instrument did he use to get the precise direction to Petra? Let's try to accept that the mosques were directed toward Petra, do you think the intention of the muslims praying is toward Petra? The mosques were intentionally built directing toward Ka'aba in Mecca using the traditional method of measurement which is based on the astronomical direction of the sun and the stars. So the possibility of the direction sliding a bit to other place is not remote. It may have had passed through the line of Petra, but it doesn't end there. Why did Dan Gibson stop at Petra? What is the place after Petra? What is the place after the place after Petra? And so on and so forth. That is the question you should ask Dan Gibson. What is his motive in stopping at Petra? Why did he not continue his journey of measurement? Why did he choose Petra as his stopping point? -06-19-23

[@Diamond-rv4dt]

They take it out of the book.

[@AdamosDad]

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[@cistojoselourenco9077]

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[@StephenCowley001]

Rock is "petros" in Greek (as I'm sure you know).

[@FOCUS-000]

סלע - الصخر Petra - the rock Petra, Antonia, the mother of colonies Umm al-Qura, The blessed city , Al-Mukarramah, Jorden Antonia, the mother of colonies ام القرى , The blessed city , المكرمة, Armenian sources : The Mecca in Arabia Patria - soutern Jorden

[@facedanielsful]

My family will have some retaliation and riots if they hear this 🤣🤣🤣 They're really in denial.

[@AliHassan-hb1bn]

Petra is a Roman term, but the real name is Median

[@defenderoftruth3212]

According to Jay Smith the LETTERS OF PAUL are just MERE TAFSEER of the Old Testament and “other scriptures” (?). Tafseer means interpretation. If the letters of Paul are just mere tafseer, why is it they become the main core of the New Testament which comprised 90 percent of it. These should be written in a separate book. In the Islamic standard, no single tafseer is included in the Holy Qur’an. Hence, the letters of Paul must be written in a separate book. Jay Smith failed not elaborate as to what specific book or verse/s in the Old Testament that each letter is intended to for being a tafseer. He should have elaborated on the following letters of Paul: LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT CHURCHES: 1). Romans - tafseer of what is it intended for? 2). Hebrews - tafseer of what is it intended for? 3). Corinthians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 4). Galatians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 5). Colossians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 6). Philippians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 7). Ephesians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 8). Thessalonians - tafseer of what is it intended for? LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS: 1). Timothy - tafseer of what is it intended for? 2). Titus - tafseer of what is it intended for? 3). Philemon - tafseer of what is it intended for? 4). James - tafseer of what is it intended for? 5). John - tafseer of what is it intended for? 6). Jude - tafseer of what is it intended for? 7). Peter - tafseer of what is it intended for? -06-07-23

[@landon4351]

Petra is 4000 years old

[@birutybeiruty4469]

The "Hebrews" spoke "Aramaic" ..

[@defenderoftruth3212]

According to Jay Smith is that he believed that there is really ONE ORIGINAL GOSPEL. Since he cannot find it, he assumed that the gospel of John is already that book. But his is only mere assumption. He failed to make any clear evidence to show that his assumption is correct. Hence, he has to show manuscripts in Aramaic as evidence for his assumption that the gospel of John is the already real Gospel of Pophet jESUs (pbuh). By his hasty assumption, he undoubtedly discarded the gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke into useless books which have no more meaning to the whole Christendom, and hence not fit to be used as the basis of the religiosity of the Christians. -06-03-23

[@selasihmkh9917]

Petra is Bakka not Mecca.. please refer to ayat 96 Surah Al Imran..why scholarships are dare to replace Ba to Mim...they want change ayat Al Quran.. ????

[@michaelg4919]

Since al-Hira was Mecca (see Hira Cave) and (the real) Muhammad re-conquered it, then Petra must be Medina! Are there Qiblas facing al-Hira (or the real Mecca)? Or why do they point to Medina/Petra?

[@imadabiad4326]

There is no doubt that prophet Mohammed was born in Arabia Petraea and is certainly a Petran . Therefore kindly consider the following starting point for a minute : There is only one holy land, one sanctuary , one place , (one masjid) that the Quran as a book keeps on referring to ! In that location already lived people of the older scripts (the Torah & the bible) some of which were true believers (as God mentions in the Quran) and others were either deniers or associators. Meaning in that location already lived Christians and Jews ! God called those people the children of Israel and talks about the sanctuary which will be entered twice by believers. Once is already a done deal (during Mohamed's lifetime), the second entering of the sanctuary (the masjid) is prophecized but not yet done (Surat Al Isra). By reading the holy scripts (Quran & bible) we immediately understand that this sanctuary (masjid) is located n Jerusalem! There is no doubt that even Jesus called that sanctuary : "a place of worship and pilgrimage for all nations". This should already trigger an alert, to say wait a minute ! If Petra is Mecca then what is Jerusalem ?? Could it be vice versa ? That Jerusalem is Mecca and Petra the City ?, or Petra is Mecca and Jerusalem is the city. Which version is the correct one ? Let's not forget that the Quran already mentions a city using the word city. The Quran would not have refered to London City as London by name, but merely as a city. similarly, I don't believe that the Quran addresses any personalized names for places of worship or masjids such as "Masjid Al Aqsa". That name could only have been copied from the Quran's verse to justify another purpose by whomever named this way ! Every word must be taken literally, and Al Aqsa means the farthest point with no beyond ! And this was used in the verse from surah al Isra in which God rose the prophet into the heavens in a one night return trip. Therefore that masjid (Al Aqsa) could only be a heavenly place and not an earthly one. The holy scripts have all the pieces of the puzzle in them. The history was obviously altered and re-written.

[@salihthemonotheist6700]

The Muslim history is different from the Quranic history

[@defenderoftruth3212]

Dan Gibson had a hard time finding the link of Petra to the Qur'an. He has to go to the Bible, and reinterpret the verse in it to make it similar to the occurrence in the Qur'an. Therefore, it is right to conclude that he is just fabricating his theory. Hence, it is totally false. -06-28-24

[@Als749]

so what is the actual Mecca¿?¿?

[@defenderoftruth3212]

Why is it the BIOGRAPHY of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) is TOTALLY HOLEY? And why the Christians are not fully aware about this HOLE? Is the story of the life of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) not important to them when in fact, they should oblige themselves to know every minute detail of it? What is the use of venerating him when they know only a little about him? As can be observed that in spite of the 4 narratives depicted in the 4 make-believe gospels, the 4 Greek writers failed to give the full account of the life of Prophet jESUs (pbuh). The narrative started from year 1 which tells about his miraculous conception and his birth, and then it jumped immediately to year 30 which tells about his preaching of the Aramaic Gospel to the children of Israel (Jews), and ended in year 33 where he was allegedly crucified and ascended to heaven. 28 years from year 2 to year 29 which comprised the primetime of his life are unaccounted for. Indeed, what a BIG, BIG HOLE it is!!! Such a man who hailed from a miraculous beginning cannot escape the curious and inquisitive eyes of the people. So, it could not be that there is no narrative for those 28 years. It could not be that out of his 33 years on earth, only 5 years were accounted for and having narrative. Those 28 years must have been replete with tremendous meaningful and wonderful activities. It could not be that after he ascended to heaven, people of his time blew all the memories about him into oblivion. The story of such a man like him who is revered and venerated by the people cannot easily be forgotten. But why did the 4 Greek writers skip the account of the primetime of his life? Is there something fishy that needs to be hidden? One cannot help to cast doubt that there is really something fishy in the narratives of the biography of Prophet jESUs (pbuh). Indeed, I smell something fishy. -07-25-23

[@huntermansuper6243]

Theory of qibla in Petra is totally absurd... Thousand year ago, we already have trader, sailor, astronomer, traveler, navigator, algebra and so on. It's impossible to replace one mountain to another even back then... How they travel to southeast Asian then get back to their homeland, or travel by silk road from China to Italy and then going back if they do not master the navigation. It's impossible they do not recognize their family, their homeland. 🤣🤣

[@jvo3777]

Romans 10:9-10 (KJV) 9 that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.