The DARK Truth of LOOKSMAXXING: TikTok’s “PICK ME” Boy Obsession | Downfall

[@PettyUniversity]

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[@Apexthebeast]

Hey swoop, haven't heard your theme in a while so that was comforting And also I don't know if you take ideas from here, but I was wondering if you would be willing to do a deep dive into the issues surround the lgbtq+ community regarding the banning of health care and such, how it's effecting both teens and adults and the massive controversy of the libs of tiktok, and how this downfall led to the unfortunate death of several people including the recent teenager Nex Benedict. Just something to think about, I know your busy with other stuff, but I really would love to hear your take on this, and I know that your passionate about the serious issues, and I think the ones plaguing my community is worth looking into.

[@cherylspeares7003]

I live for the theme song, I love every time you do it I do it right along with you so I don't look as cute doing it LOL

[@tickleishpickle9269]

hey im a happily married guy, and my wife doesnt wear makeup. and i have to say one im a fan, im subbed. but two.....your makeup segment offended me. im not sure what your going for on that part with all men will ignore this part and some woman will because they cant understand.... so what you want to yell at me and my wife for not knowing? or whats the ...actual point?

[@tickleishpickle9269]

you know the hypno swirly part where all men click off and only males and females that agree with you will understand ? .......that part

[@ImperfectRoseTira]

ITS CALLED MEWING?! I do this because I’m afraid of swallowing my tongue 😭

[@theanubisfan10]

Some people will do anything except seeing a therapist.

[@JohnGardnerAlhadis]

You need to be open to therapy for it to work, dude.

[@dangerxbadger2300]

ONG 😂

[@JohnGardnerAlhadis]

@@mirabelarmstrong433 Did I say anything about bone-smashing? FFS.

[@anisassquad7814]

@@mirabelarmstrong433Can’t assume someone is bone smashing because they don’t agree with you

[@painunending4610]

​@@mirabelarmstrong433 you know literally no body in real life actually does that right? It's always been a joke

[@Atinywithsocailanxiety]

I am a guy with body Dysmorphic disorder and a friend of mine has been trying to get me to do this im glad i watched this video cause this is insanity

[@PeacheIIe]

Please share the video with that friend! Glad you found it and wish you the best :)

[@Atinywithsocailanxiety]

@@PeacheIIe thank u I already linked it

[@HavianEla]

So glad you found this!!! You and your friend (no one, really) deserves to suffer like that! Please know this random, internet stranger knows that you are extremely valuable and offer a unique and vital perspective to this world you alone can share! Without you the puzzle piece of humanity is incomplete!

[@Atinywithsocailanxiety]

@HavianEla thank you so much I really needed this today

[@CB-dj1uz]

A little bit of confidence and a good sense of humor is all that’s needed to attract a girl 😉

[@TabithaKMJ]

I have a 13 year old boy and thanks to this video I became aware of this trend on TikTok and got to talk to my son about it. Thank you for opening that dialogue for me.

[@not_you_i_dont_even_know_you]

Oh man, i hope he can surround himself with kind and supportive friends. The younger generations seem to be both more empathetic and also subject to more nonsense than ever before ❤

[@ArtificalHistoryI]

Id blackpill your Boy

[@cookiechan7641]

Yes! Don't let your son get dragged into this very, VERY toxic lifestyle! Thank you for helping to make this society better!!

[@danielhague734]

I desperately wish someone had talked to me about this stuff when I was younger. Your son is lucky to have a great mom :)

[@rickym1046]

Should have probably had his dad talk to him about it not the mother

[@SleepySuperhero]

I'm one minute in and I have to say this: what men idealize of other men, and what women idealize of men are two VERY DIFFERENT things.

[@thareelhelloagain]

For reeeeeal. Well said.

[@madsfiedler3884]

as an mlm, i like my guys Realistic, not looking like a sims extreme :/// gimme a guy who will make the fishy face if i squish his cheeks- (agreeing with u)

[@daintycaked]

My dad was shocked once when my mom and I said how hot Bruce Willis is. "But he's bald!" um. not important!

[@daintycaked]

@@madsfiedler3884men who are not hyper perfect. I am not into Brad Pitt, for one.

[@madsfiedler3884]

@@daintycaked exactly!! idk anyone who is, tbh xD

[@TheNanamariam]

No amount of "Looks-maxxing" can get you a girl if your personality-maxxing is at an all time low.

[@Girlhead]

For real though...

[@sluttymctits4496]

Elliot Rodger in a nutshell. Had everything that woman allegedly want on paper, but couldn't get a girl to stand within 150ft of him because his personality was absolute trash.

[@andyandbee]

😂😂😂

[@WaffleSalad]

I don’t care how “hot” someone is, if they act like a total jerk who can’t respect anyone around them it’s such a turn off. Personality trumps physical appearance when it comes to seeking partners

[@MountainPearls]

Yep. Can you make me laugh? Carry on a somewhat intelligent conversation (hell, many women would take “coherent and thoughtful conversation”). In all seriousness, intelligence is important (and just like personality and looks, it isn’t about being perfect…it’s whether you read, think critically, ask questions, seek information…these things matter. It’s not having the highest IQ…or however you define the term. Do you TRY…can you think and consider both sides of an issue? Much like it isn’t all being the most handsome or charming or muscular…and “perfect” … it’s about making an effort…trying… and being a decent, kind human. It’s like they heard us say “please get away from the video games and couch a little sooner before our date. Please try a little harder with how you dress, your hygiene, and health”… and went WAAAY too far. We meant smell good b/c you shower throughly and use aftershave (and shave well instead of rushing and looking sloppy before a nice date). The same goes for things like ironing your shirt (it’s not about how expensive it is to me…but did you take the time to look nice and do you know how to dress for X type of event…or seek the information out?) Did you trim your nails and toenails…Yes it makes you a bit more attractive when you do these things…but that’s not really what it’s about… mostly women want you to show that you care enough to TRY. For me, the effort you put into your appearance, the little bit of extra time, where you SHOW me what I think matters is what I find attractive. Things like that show us you respect our time and opinion. (Personally, when a man smells clean and delicious I’m more likely to feel attracted yo him). Basically, we’re likely to find you much more attractive overall soley based on the fact that you make an effort with your appearance (like many-if not most- women do). We didn’t mean for men to do all of this!!! Please…not this! We don’t want you having to live in a looks obsessed culture either! Most of us women just care if you are clean, respectful, kind, have a decent personality and you *try* (by being somewhat healthy, and doing things like ironing your shirt and shining your shoes before going on a nice date, for example). Be a good human that puts in effort and doesn’t expect women to fall in your laps with no effort…like what incels expect, ironically enough…is mostly what we want when we feel chemistry and/or see commonalities in a man we may be interested in. (I feel like that should be filed under “be respectful” automatically…but wanted to make it very clear). ETA: I was getting over a migraine. Triptans make me repeat myself. (If I can figure out how to put on eyeliner you can tune your damn nails, wash your butt, read a book, and steam your shirt!)

[@linnbaardsen9459]

As a straight woman, women don't want this. Not once have I rejected a man because he has more than 10% body fat or because his eyes were not hooded. This is men's standards for men. Not women's.

[@PrincessNinja007]

​@ville__you've commented this like 100 times what are you even on about?

[@sabertoothno34]

@@PrincessNinja007 Think about it as food... Everyone loves food, we have so many different kinds of dishes. Of course you are gonna have your favorite dish, one that just can't be beat... but that doesn't mean you want to eat your favorite food, all the time, everyday of the week no matter if it's home, a restaurant, or someone else's place ... because then the food becomes less of a special treat and just mundane. TLDR; You have a favorite food, that just can't be beat by others. But now it's the only thing you can eat... that taste, texture and feeling you got from the food loses its special touch.

[@SkyeSoleil]

@@sabertoothno34okay but what does this mean in context to women? I am so confused

[@sabertoothno34]

@@SkyeSoleil We don't like the date same thing over and over again

[@elin_]

​​@sabertoothno34 uhh.. speak for yourself. I much rather date a kind chubby guy than a self-absorbed muscle pack.

[@iinktongue]

as a victim/veteran of 2000’s ED forums and the 2014 tumblr era, this just feels like history repeating itself

[@sprayz390]

i am also a victim of 2014 tumblr pro ana communities! i thought looks maxing was good? until i realized it’s literally just what i went through when began to find ED forums to lose weight. i wasn’t even really chubby. just insecure and sad. now it’s 2024 and i’m still just barely recovered :,)

[@JackieB88]

FACTS! I was on pro-ana sites and it just made my eating disorder so much worse. And the people were all so mean because we were starving.

[@JackieB88]

@ville__ I'm just a manifest? Will you tell my boss that so I dont have to go to work please?

[@narls9470]

​@ville__Oh Babe i wish this was true, life would be so much easier for me ;)

[@P0rk_Sinigang]

Time really is a flat circle.

[@MonaLyssa33]

I saw a video yesterday saying how men think they are in competition with the top 10% of other men in winning over women, but really, they are in competition with the peace women feel being alone. They used to be able to use "You're going to end up alone with your dozens of cats," as an insult, but women have started to realize that that actually sounds like a pretty awesome life.

[@specializedchemicals6669]

is that why i've been seeing more guys shitting on women with cats or who love their cats as family on cat videos?

[@therealzeon]

Would you date a 5ft1 fat broke 💲Indian He has the best personality tho 🤔

[@itsthespiceoflife]

​​@@specializedchemicals6669 Probably. They hate the fact that a woman loves her furbabies more than any douchebag that treats women like shit but a precious cat loves unconditional, doesn't judge and makes us laugh on a daily basis. I would rather snuggle with all of my cats then put up with a mindless asshole seeking attention any day..

[@Mewa-tv6qc]

@@specializedchemicals6669Yes. Males are jealous

[@justdawnreborn]

You’re right on the money.

[@The_dandy_zombie]

If a man looks at me like a hunter I try to back away since my mind jumps to "oh they wanna kill me"

[@waterox73]

💯 right lol! this does, however, make me feel a bit cooler for having hooded eyelids. 🤣

[@litneyloxan]

id rather date a normal guy who doesn't look like handsome squidward and treats me with kindness, respect and loves me for me.

[@Imjustkendall]

If my guy was into mewing I’d break up with him

[@nylarose2310]

I once said this to a guy, he told me that I only felt that way because I'm ugly. I dont know how ur meant to get through to some of these people.

[@litneyloxan]

@@nylarose2310 He sounds like he wasn't a good person on the inside anyways. I'd say you dodged a bullet! Everyone is beautiful to someone though, just may take some time to let them come to you rather than looking for them. You got this ❤️

[@KristofskiKabuki]

@@Imjustkendallsame unless it was in a carboy way

[@morkawlanamk2319]

​@@nylarose2310and I was told that I'm lying when I say that I'm not attracted to gym bros, because I'm trying to give other men false hope even though I'm just using them... It's so funny how most of those men talk about preferences all the time(that being that they don't wanna date somebody who's overweight or too skinny)... It seems like they don't understand the concept of preferences.. or they only get it when it suits them

[@reneejordan9221]

As a mum whose son has crippling anxiety concerning his looks and suspected body dysmorphia this trend is absolutely terrifying to me! He does not have social media, because he does not want it, and after seeing this I’m so thankful he doesn’t!

[@queenmarshmallow8013]

It's really good he doesn't, I don't want to think about how worse his mental health might be if he did, smart decision on his part. I hope you can help him overcome that anxiety!!!

[@TheMaskedChef7]

Our self worth should not be dependent on society’s perception of what they think we should be like. Your son should believe that full heartedly social media doesn’t affect you negatively when you know yourself worth and not easily influenced by others. 😊❤

[@alisonmercer5946]

​@@TheMaskedChef7 yeah the crippling anxiety melted away forevermore cause u shared that wisdom / s seriously though are u even serious fr

[@leannameents8309]

Bless your son for his competency knowing that social media isn't good for him. I hope he gains positive confidence in himself as a person and is able to engage with people and grow into a wonderful man!

[@shibibi1]

Absolutely support him staying faaaarrr away from social media. It's so damn toxic out here

[@captsparrowslady]

I'm a school bus driver and yesterday, when I was dropping of my *Elementary* Kiddos, one of the boys showed me a picture of some boy on his phone and asked me "Hey can you rate this person?" (or something like that)... I was slightly thrown for a half a second, but I immediately was said "No!" and the kid who asked me was like "Oh is that because he's so off the scale you can't rate him?" and I was like "No, I said 'No' because I don't rate *children*! and the kid looked shocked and then was like "Oh yeah..." like he forgot that I am an ADULT and he was asking me to rate a literal child?! I think the boy who asked me was maybe 4th grade (abt 9 or 10 yrs old).... I'm not totally sure if he asked because he's been influenced by "Looksmaxxing" on social media but I had just watched this documentary a few days ago (before he asked) and now I can't help but wonder if he's being influenced by "Looksmaxxing" which if he is... that's a scary thought that literal pre-pubescent children are being exposed to this...

[@DEVOTIO33]

It's already over for gen alphas

[@kristenclark82]

This is incredibly sad. It’s all the scrutiny and appearance focused stuff I remembered growing up as a girl. Now everyone feels like they have to uphold some weird, super human appearance. I don’t know if the world will ever realize it truly is what is on the inside that matters. Thanks for covering!! 💜

[@PettyUniversity]

Well said

[@sarahcox1197]

Yes! I was gonna say it's like they're doing to boys what they did to girls in the 90s and early 2000s, it's depraved

[@BabyGirlRaven]

@@sarahcox1197 I grew up in the 90s so I remember how bad it is anorexia was the thing being super skinny was the same having big boobs long blonde or red hair even really care if you were too fit they just wanted to skinny now it’s all about women having Botox and then having them fillers women having plastic surgery I think it’s still just as bad, but they’re pushing it more on the men right now but to this day, I still feel like what they’re doing to. Those men is very unfair like it is very unfair to what they’ve done to us as well. Not even just unfair. Disgusting. Everybody is different. Nobody should look the same and beauty is in the eye of the beholder

[@SabrinaRina]

I always expect the day we resemble the character from the film Brazil who just becomes stretched out skin and makeup. That Dr. Kim stuff ain't far, not far enough for any comfort I won't live to see the worst.

[@Prettykittychimi]

@@sarahcox1197lol they have been doing this to women since the beginning of time, it didn’t start in the 90’s.

[@MyCatIsADonut]

The guy refusing to move his eyebrows ended me. 70-93% of communication is nonverbal. It was so unsettling watching him talk without moving a single facial muscle

[@ithalaine]

He looked like a serial killer, no joke. Why the f do men think that’s what we want to see? Is it the roids melting their brains away?

[@OGA103]

Right?!?! It's actually super creepy.

[@SigynRegn]

Yeah. I like hunter or whatever eyes type but it's ridiculous to not move your face muscles ever to mantain it every second.

[@The_Salty_Siren]

This is how I feel looking at anyone with facial injections (no matter if filler or Botox) is …uncanny valley unsettling… don’t forget the filter on top! 😮‍💨😅

[@MyCatIsADonut]

@@The_Salty_Siren SO uncanny valley!! The women who are allegedly receptive to it are probably so unsettled they're afraid to walk away

[@redvelvet1278]

“I don’t have time for therapy” I’ll take a sane guy who’s in touch with his emotions and can communicate well over the six pack and whatever is happening to these jawlines that I’d never even notice.

[@insirable3127]

You wouldn't take him if he was 4'11 and facially deformed.

[@ouwebrood497]

Therapy doesn't get you laid. Going to the gym maybe does. But I prefer to spend my time and money on a sex worker. And I'm sure this is the least expensive way.

[@vklnew9824]

Poorly aged white ♀️

[@blackwolf1061-n2g]

Good for toy

[@serpalex2922]

I call cap on this. Everyone is in touch with their emotions unless they have some mental health issues. The thing is, they don't share it willy nilly with someone they've known for a little time. I did this once. Let's just say it ended horribly.

[@rainofflame]

25:36 - Attention: If you do not move your eyebrows when you're talking to me, i will assume you are a serial killer.

[@Ali_D_Katt]

THANK YOU!! That guy had my true crime go with him if you want to be locked in a trunk later alarm bells ringing. I don't care where he approached me I'd just say nope, no thank you, not looking to be slowly tortured and killed this afternoon I've got errands, I need to run. Byyyeeee Creepy.

[@niccalee]

I was so unsettled

[@kriswhite2220]

So glad I wasn’t the only one catching the Ick. He bears a resemblance to Ted Bundy.

[@AdamantErinyes]

I don't move my eyebrows much when I'm talking, but I'm also autistic...

[@jamietingey7498]

The fact that you'd have to be thinking the entire time you're talking to a girl not to move your eyebrows is unsettling.

[@prudentreality]

NOOOOO!! As a feminist, this was NOT the equality I wanted!! The point was to shed arbitrary and irresponsible beauty standards (along with all their deeply damaging baggage and repercussions) so we could ALL engage more with living life to the fullest. It breaks my heart to see young men and masculine identifying persons taking up the EXACT SAME, self-obliterating bullshit we women have been trying to stamp out!

[@6kat103]

Yup

[@Shelby_Erilyn]

It never turns out the way they sell it to us, women and men.

[@HobieInTheBox]

This isn't even equality, this is patriarchy doing even further damage to men, bc this is all male standards

[@SabrinaRina]

If it makes you feel better, sounds like it's not pure body image attacks, but dog whistle bigotry where women are still just objects, but only certain men are worth the object. It's just a tiered system for men, we're not equal.

[@Not4Raccoons]

It’s like the bad faith argument of “if you want equal rights then men can punch women now” Like … no?? I’d ideally prefer NO physical violence??

[@nikkienolet6773]

I don't understand this pumpkin spice rating system... But really, guys, if you ask women what we want/like/are attracted to, we will tell you. This isn't it. Yes, take care of yourself, self care is sexy. But this is self obsession and that can turn dangerous and scary.

[@vklnew9824]

Poorly aged white ♀️

[@DiscombobulatedKluska]

The thing is, a man can have the face of a Greek god but if he has a shit personality, he becomes hideous to me. It's so sad that as humans we're so obsessed with appearance when who you are as a person is what truly shines

[@selinesbeau]

As I keep saying, a turd wrapped in gold is still a turd.

[@laurastrele]

​@@selinesbeauyes

[@ChardeeMacdennis339]

This is so true!!! If I think an actor is hot, the minute I find out he’s got a reputation for being an assh*le or something it’s like a switch flips. Just ew. Perfect example - Adam Levine. I used to think he was SO hot. But over the last several years he has turned into such a huge douche bag. I can’t. So unattractive.

[@Dani-Claw]

It's amazing how fast the attraction changes, too! I find someone attractive, then I hear them say awful stuff and my body and brain instantly start finding them disgusting. That's why the people finding serial killers and disgusting murderers hot REALLY freak me out, especially when you recognize the uncanny parts of their appearance (the sempaku eyes, unaverted gaze, etc)

[@4bibimimi]

In the same vein, don't expect a man of average looks with a big schlong to be faithful. He may be hanging out with you to hit on your girlfriends. Men like this r nothing but a nuisance.

[@kiterafrey]

I spent years wishing men could understand the struggle I went through as a woman with an ED during the 2000's. THIS IS NOT what I meant by understanding. I didn't want them to go through the same 💩but just a toxic masculine version. This is NOT the type of equality feminism was asking for, we wanted equality of the good things not to give men part of our toxic oppressions that we're suffering.

[@mermaiddiyartist8119]

😂😂😂 right. Fellow ed survivor. Insane thing I had it even though I was in great shape. But didn’t have model skinny legs. And dealing with trauma.

[@painunending4610]

We shall all suffer equally lol

[@decium1846]

it seems we men combined self care with a "finish what i started to the best degree". it seems crazy, but its what we've always done with hobbies. these guys are looking at this like some would look at wood working. i get how they fell into it, but its crazy on paper. the that guy talked about keeping symmetry when talking to women looked like a 1000 yard stare to me. very unsettling.

[@Imjustkendall]

@@decium1846women do the same “finish what we started to the best of our abilities” thing bro

[@Mercurio2435]

@@decium1846 That's not male exclusive. And not all men enjoy woodworking... hell, I'm convinced some of them don't even enjoy hobbies anymore.

[@Moho_braccatus_]

Oh, I have a bone to pick with the Looksmaxxing nutters. They recently raided an event in the autism subreddit where people were posting selfies, and came in to hyper-scutinize individuals for physical traits that define the apparent "autism look". It was a very eugenics-adjacent thing too, users were directly harassed and dehumanized by people coming from that forum. So yeah, somewhat personal anecdote here with dealing with this phenomenon.

[@KnockedupNout]

That's so fucked up!

[@Moosesmeeses]

Oh absolutely 40rk1ng NOOOOT $#@&*%(!)@*$&@* SORRY I'm late to the party, but I work with kids with autism, it is my passion, and this makes my blood BOIL

[@azizmoawiya]

I'm a 23 yo old young man and I can tell you that my face and body are always changing, seeing young teens worrying about their looks and wanting to resort to surgeries and extreme workouts is crazy to me! like you haven't developed yet, literall kids 14 yo!! also the fact that grown men are rating children doesn't sit right with me, this needs to be stopped, its so sad...

[@HiddenDarkHM]

God right? That's one thing I was thinking too like "My dude you're 14, your face is not going to look the same by the time you're 19 no matter WHAT level of 'chad' your genetics are." Your skin might be flawless, clear as a newborn babe's one week and suddenly you look like a black plague victim the next week, like... sure take care of yourself, look your best but... just give it a chance to chill out.

[@princessskennnyy]

children are told they can change their gender with a pill It’s not surprising that children want plastic surgery

[@alisonmercer5946]

The grown people rating kids yeah that's not right

[@alim.9801]

Fr, puberty isn't the only time your face and body change and it's important to learn how to deal with that and pass on that learning to the younger generations man!! It's like kids are getting more and more obsessed with skincare and body image and stuff like that, like we're going backwards and it's really distressing dude

[@alim.9801]

Yeah I think it sucks to rate ANY person period, seems shallow to me but like...kids??? Rating kids??? Leave the kids alone!!

[@talkingtochapri]

Notice how they are pick me for women's attention meanwhile talking crap and disrespecting women.

[@annenelson5656]

Yeah, now they’re lookmaxed they’re too good for any woman less than a 10.

[@MaGpeS]

Every day, I agree more about the saying that there are men that hate women, but at the same time they feel sexually attracted to them. They want us for sex, nothing more.

[@HobieInTheBox]

Because this is all just toxic male bullshit, they don't really care about anything or anyone else

[@talkingtochapri]

@@annenelson5656 most women still don't want them, it's less about looks and more about their attitude.

[@ObjectionHearsay]

​@@talkingtochapritrue!

[@cjs3838]

I know I'm so late to the party, but even before the end if the vid I know every single one of these "looks maxxers" would hate on women for wearing makeup, or getting surgery because it's "not natural:?" And they're "lying to men"

[@crispdip9635]

That's a pretty wild generalisation don't you think "every single one" there are "looksmaxxers" that teach men to not sexualise women and stop watching porn so when they see a girl I real life they won't objectify them

[@blackwolf1061-n2g]

@@crispdip9635they don’t want to hear the truth.

[@AmazingStoryDewd]

And yet many of these look maxxers will get surgery themselves and claim they did it by mewing.

[@cjs3838]

@crispdip9635 my bad strawman. 100% of the ones I have come across haven't proven me wrong. Which creators don't?

[@nicholevimmerstedt6759]

Every time I see these teenage boys saying “if mewing doesn’t work then why did my appearance/jaw line change???” I want to just shake them and explain puberty to them 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@nicholevimmerstedt6759]

Agreed and some of them might have lost the chubby cheeks/“baby fat” most people lose during puberty. It’s like bro your growing up that’s what’s changing lol

[@justchilling704]

Puberty isn’t magic, and neither is mewing. Mewing is a posture and is natural. Mouth breathing is proven to cause several health issues. Dr. Mew is correct highly processed diets filled with soft foods cause smaller jaws prone to teeth crowding plenty of dentists and Orthodontists know and accept this. Don’t let an ignorant KZbinr stop you from educating yourself. The human body is plastic meaning posture effects bone structure and can damage it if it’s bad. This is why why people with pelvic tilts have to posture train and stretch daily to reverse it. Please educate yourself.

[@justchilling704]

@@nicholevimmerstedt6759Growing up, doesn’t mean a recessed jaw is natural wtf are y’all saying 😂

[@DarkKing-z6b]

Looksmaxxing is not only for men, it's for all people, men and women, you can call it glow up or self imrpove or anything you like, in the end it's the way to be the best version of yourself, lookmaxx was considered somthing only for men because everyone who talks about it are men, the reason is due to the difficulty of attracting a hot girls, while women have it easier, because men will fvck anything, so please women, have a certain awareness when talking about a topic

[@yourlocalnerd7788]

By their standards of "attractiveness" I wonder what they think about all the "unattractive" dudes I've met who are in relationships because they have personalities and are fun to be around.

[@mst3kharris]

I’m sure they assume that the woman is exploiting him because obviously she can’t be in love with him. 🙄

[@likhwezititus]

​@@mst3kharrisBRO honestly my husband is korean and chubby and I LOVE HIM and everytime I post us people in the comments assume he must be CRAZY rich cause how could I love a "chubby asian dude" um...? Maybe cause he's not an intolerant spore?

[@painunending4610]

They probably don't care because they're focusing on themselves 🤷

[@Shane-hx4xp]

@@painunending4610they are definitely not focusing on themselves, they’re focusing on how society sees them.

[@painunending4610]

@@Shane-hx4xp that is focusing on yourself

[@britneybij3997]

Its funny cause these looksmaxxing dudes are probably the same kinds of dudes that would, or once before have, complained about high-maintenance girls and how their strict routines and such take the fun out of things and that they rather date a more "normal" girl because you can actually be fully engaged with them and in the moment. Oh, how the turn-tables

[@manic_girl]

Take it from someone in recovery from an ED: starving yourself will cause lasting health effects. My metabolism is so messed up now, even 3 years in recovery. I had a seizure. Stay safe ❤

[@judithfaze]

🤗🫂

[@jmb8732]

❤ stay strong and continue to be good to yourself

[@greg-op2jh]

I am so sorry. Hope you are seizure free. They are awful! Remember you are beautiful!

[@manic_girl]

@@greg-op2jh thank you! The seizure was due to me taking Wellbutrin. Apparently it lowers your seizure threshold, especially when you aren’t eating anything. 3 years in recovery and no intention of changing that ❤️❤️

[@Deus_ex_lucifina]

@@manic_girl that’s good to know. I wish doctors shared this stuff. I’m currently on Wellbutrin and on a (healthy, purely medically motivated) weight loss journey. I don’t TRY to skip meals, I just do, and it’s part of a host of unhealthy habits that have led me to take purposeful action to heal and pursue health. Your story is helpful for a lot of different kinds of people. Thank you so much for sharing, and congrats on the progress of your own journey. 💛

[@EMILYHERRERA]

Can we do Intelligence-maxxing? Critical Thinking-maxxing? Self-awareness & emotional intelligence-maxxing?

[@swuffie]

need

[@angel127_]

💯💯💯

[@MellowJelly]

education maxxing, wide variety of sources for research maxxing, perspective maxxing, culture maxxing, emotionally/physically/mentally balanced maxxing ? lol

[@Wolfiewolf1234]

Yes. I'll even join that one 😂😂😂

[@phyliciajoykloes]

Yes, please!

[@danielrico6037]

It essentially boils down to seeking the approval of other men.. Ive always thought this 😂

[@zyyl1949]

It’s called “male gaze maxxing”, it’s used as an insult against looksmaxxers who view attraction through male eyes

[@DarkKing-z6b]

Looksmaxxing is not only for men, it's for all people, men and women, you can call it glow up or self imrpove or anything you like, in the end it's the way to be the best version of yourself, lookmaxx was considered somthing only for men because everyone who talks about it are men, the reason is due to the difficulty of attracting a hot girls, while women have it easier, because men will fvck anything, so please women, have a certain awareness when talking about a topic

[@horrorlover9794]

Saying women won’t date you if you have more than 12% fat is insane. Women(me included) love bigger guys. Wanna get girls? Be a good person

[@SpecialBlanket]

yeah the 2 biggest pussy slayers i know both have dad bods. most women do not want totally ripped guys.

[@wickedgaymer6998]

It's wild. I'm pretty sure that's the upper average for actual athletes.

[@WynneL]

I *don't* love bigger guys. I love scrawny guys, not muscular *or* teddy bears. And that's a better point than "women like big guys"--women are not a monolith and we like *different things!* Which means that whatever your body type, you can be found hot and be loved. You are *somebody's* ideal hottie.

[@PrincessNinja007]

​@@wickedgaymer6998 for women I know it's like 17%

[@manuelsilva6244]

Guys also say that to girls. It doesn't stop them obsessing over make up and looking like Kardashians. The reality is what it is.

[@cherylreaves253]

I think for the first time in my life I’m glad to be elderly (70). I would hate to be a young person this day and age with social media pressures, too many crazy terms for individuals, censorship, and, in my opinion the worst, the push towards segregating people. This is so sad.

[@hiropon2985]

I love seeing comments from people your age, thanks for sharing your wisdom. I'm in my 30s and feel very much the same. These poor kids seriously, I hope the pressure eases and they can learn to love themselves.

[@cherylreaves253]

@@hiropon2985 exactly.

[@juliestrickland7754]

Im 54 and I've dated men who have been WAY better looking than me, and men who weren't much in the looks department, and men who were just average cute guys. The biggest thing for me has always been personality and how they treat me and others. Especially animals, kids, and the elderly. Young people, especially, are under SO much pressure to be perfect that I seriously worry about their mental health. It's sad and ridiculous that they think there is a certain female idea of perfection because there's not. Everyone has their own idea of what's attractive and what's not. Some women ARE attracted to this idea of perfection and that's their choice. But I hope that these men and boys figure out soon that it's mostly 🐂💩.

[@arecoveringlife4961]

I’m right there with you. I’m 64 and I can’t even express how grateful I am that I was a teen in the seventies. It was not only much easier (although at the time it didn’t seem like it) it was much simpler. I had a lot of fun with makeup and hair styles and clothes but all the hype of today wasn’t even on the map at the time. A lot of people think the young people of today have it easy. They don’t! It’s brutal out there.

[@Theworldisyouroyster156]

I agree with you both. I’m middle aged and social media has caused so many people to compare their looks to other people’s looks. Then they think if they look better they will obtain success, happiness and women. Problem is the person on the inside is what they really should be focusing on improving. Being a teenager or early 20s is fraught with enough emotional challenges as it is now to add this? Too much pressure on these poor guys.

[@elizabeth184]

Hey boys ...invest all of this time and energy into 'maxxing' your Personality. Looks will get you one conversation with a girl, possibly one date, but that's about it. A great personality, intellect, sense of humour, being curious about the world around you - this is what amazing women actually value in a man. (not to mention personal fulfillment regardless of attracting others).

[@manuelsilva6244]

Girls don't do that though. You giving advice on a thing you don't do it yourself ( im talking about girls in general) its irrelevant

[@Muniaczek90]

​@@manuelsilva6244but woman do. Trust me.

[@Muniaczek90]

​@@manuelsilva6244and let me extend it. I am a skinny, well shaped lady with pretty face and petite posture. My man is a lil chubby towering over me force of love, care, security, smarts and humor. I love his every curve, his lovely dad bod, his messy hair and beard and his adorable cheeks when he smiles. He is amazing. Smart, inteligent both logicly and emotionally, funny, loving, caring, protecting.. did I say funny? 😂 Real woman look for a man with good character qualities, because after all we want someone that we will spend rest of our lifes with. And guess what? We all get old. We lose our looks, our shapes... but our characters stays! And sense of humor! So Elisabeth is so right here in her comment.

[@insirable3127]

Looks > persoynality

[@raincalled1783]

You know this isn’t true come on

[@JamieHersheys]

Hearing that men aren't desirable above 10-12% body fat is insane. You're desirable at any body fat %. The person who would care about that isn't someone you should be with. Anyone deserves better than that.

[@dreykenv2163]

cope harder subhuman

[@Deus_ex_lucifina]

Literally found the love of my life at my absolute fattest. But these men aren’t looking for healthy heterosexual relationships. They just aspire to a standard and status quo that is no long relevant.

[@Wavyso]

Being low body fat is better for men. Better hormonal profile bigger dick sharper jawline nothing but benefits just don't go under 10%

[@VVS84]

​@@dreykenv2163 truthnuke

[@BitchChill]

Nope, I'm staying thin and pretty

[@lindsaythemorallygay4586]

“hunter eyes” is crazy because that’ll scare me away personally 💀

[@kruff169]

Lmao yeah, when I pick a guy I am specifically looking for someone who’s *not* giving me “hunting” vibes, for my own safety💀 But… I guess it’s not really for us, huh, they’re doing it for each other

[@JHaru777]

It reminds me of the male protag for the After Burn/Shock movie, his face never emotes or moves! 😂

[@eleven-hopper]

Hunter eyes don't even look good

[@SigynRegn]

And I, for example, like it a lot. My husband's eyes look like that and it is one of his qualities I absolutely bought me. This is the beauty of it all. Being different and liking different things.

[@SigynRegn]

​@@eleven-hopperI don't agree. But this is good. We all prefer different things.

[@Rayra4221]

The "rating" reminded me of when Onionman used to do that to children on his channel. It isn't okay and it's disgusting. I hope these young men find inner peace with who they are. You are enough. There are better communities for you.

[@Princess-ur2gd]

I was gonna say the same thing! Reminds me of onionboy and Shane Dawson rating and sexualizing their fans that were a majority minors

[@s_a_r_a_jd2204]

It's like misogyny has come full circle and it's now eating itself. 🙃

[@Penterror]

I wish yall used any amount of critical thinking

[@Beatmyguest001]

@@Penterrorand you do possess that do you?

[@wednes3day]

hasn't it always been?

[@ChynnaBlue1]

The male gaze destroys everything, including the gazers.

[@manuelsilva6244]

Yes it's always misogyny and men's fault. Its like women have no agency in society and don't ree force this toxic trends at all. Its not like this things haven't appeared the more we see misandry being accepted as a normal thing at all.

[@mst3kharris]

Okay, the “I don’t move muscles in my face when I talk” kid at 25:42 was giving me “I’m a serial killer in my free time, what are your hobbies?” vibes.

[@Geospasmic]

Theres a tiktok lady who does this to avoid wrinkles and she straight up looks like plastic.

[@jaday7282]

🤣 He's legit become my sleep paralysis demon. What a creep.

[@ieshiaunique1943]

LOL I literally was terrified

[@mermaiddiyartist8119]

American psycho

[@creatrixcorvusarts876]

So, they’re doing the extremes that women have been doing for ages…it’s disturbing, and sad. I don’t want girls to be doing this, or boys! Can we just try to love ourselves the way we are?

[@vklnew9824]

Poorly aged white ♀️

[@blackwolf1061-n2g]

It’s a bit hard to do so when society convinces you that there’s something wrong with you the way you currently are, and when you’re constantly getting disrespected because of your appearance.

[@jayfasf6828]

I wouldn't have turned to plastic surgery if I wasnt so constantly treated like trash by people lots of people have given me dirty looks, called me ugly etc. At that point you realize you are just objectively unattractive. I was also having immense trouble in the dating field and people would look at me like I was a monster or something. Therapy won't get me a gf it does not solve the underlying cause which is looks and looks are very important you'd be lying if you said it wasnt

[@heathermizer2111]

Since becoming a mother nearly 16 years ago, I’m always thinking like a mom. I think about my sweet 7yo little boy. He thinks his teenage sisters are really cool. He loves snuggling with his mom and dad. Dinosaurs and Pokémon are the epitome of awesomeness. He’s just a sweet little boy. These men were once sweet little boys and that breaks my heart.

[@HiddenDarkHM]

I don't think anyone ever stops being that entirely either. We all just want to be loved and validated. Dinosaurs and Pokemon are still as awesome to me now at 33 as they were when I was 13. We're all still those kids inside. They just think they have to be something else and that's just... it's just so sad. In so many of them I just see these scared little boys that want to be valued and told "You did it. You did the good thing. You succeeded." by the guys and girls around them but they don't know how to express it or even realize that it's what they're experiencing so they just get angry and scared instead.

[@leannameents8309]

hold your son tight and tell him EVERY DAY that he is VALID. Tell him he is WONDERFUL, TERRIFIC, and COMPLETELY worthy of love! Every. Day!

[@leannameents8309]

@@HiddenDarkHM Bless you for being brave enough to be your honest vulnerable self with the world! It's the best sort of trait!

[@HiddenDarkHM]

@@leannameents8309That's very sweet of you, thank you kindly :)

[@michelehaytko]

Yes yes yes! I have 3 boys (8, 10, and 14 but his autism has kept many of his behaviors "young") and they all love snuggling me and adore their sisters, and the idea of these guys online makes me just want to go hug them and find out who hurt them to get them to this point!

[@leilaklara]

You know you love a youtuber when you see their vids on your youtube page 30 seconds after posted lmao. Thanks for your hard work covering this, SWOOP!

[@PettyUniversity]

Thank you for being here!

[@olexvndrv]

@@PettyUniversityNo, you.

[@morganlefae267]

I just saw the notification and have announced to everyone (my partner and our fur babies) that another Swoop Doc just dropped and don't bother me until we're done.

[@lilywelder]

I'm a mom to a boy toddler and a 5 year old girl. This ENTIRE doc I just kept wondering what have I done to have these innocent children susceptible to this world..

[@onestepatatimepb]

Things like looksmaxxing, sephora kids, etc show how what could be healthy habits and routines become self-destroying tendencies when taken to extremes. Like many of the individual parts of these ideas: grooming, staying in shape, getting sleep, caring about your skin (sunscreen, proper hydration, etc) are good habits to gain early in life yet when the mindset behind it is not healthy it destroys the overall benefits they have.

[@alexrojas9013]

10yro kids purchasing anti-aging creams bc it was in an influencer's daily skincare routine is honestly scary

[@yourancientancestor]

Too much of a good thing

[@storybooksculpts-dg1cn]

Men will put their tongue to the roof of their mouth for hours but won’t go to therapy

[@eo0-g9j]

"but we should continue blaming women for not talking about men's mental health11!!!!"

[@Deus_ex_lucifina]

“We would like men to treat us with respect and kindness.” “These females are asking too much!” *smashes face with hammer*

[@washere3955]

Putting our tongue on the roof of our mouths is free.

[@Carp6969]

​@@washere3955and does nothing

[@P0rk_Sinigang]

​@@washere3955And does it do something?

[@summerjohnson9929]

Anyone who has been a middle school girl can tell you that pulling and pushing on your face to change its shape, does not work. Poor boys. Thinking they’re really doing something here but honestly just refusing to learn anything from the 1,000 years of women being forced into narrow beauty standards. It makes me very sad. But maybe 100 years from now there will be a “radical self-love, body-positivity” movement for men.

[@lindenshepherd6085]

We can only hope. 😞

[@emccamey1]

Wow, as a part of my anxiety, I unconsciously press my tongue to the roof of my mouth. The tension from it gives me chronic headaches. I've been working with a physical therapist for years to stop... 😮 The fact that people are doing this on purpose blows my mind

[@BrokenEvil]

oh no, I do the tongue on the roof too and I've never thought my headaches were caused because of it!

[@AidenFeltkamp]

Came here to say this!!

[@Mercurio2435]

I've been compulsively chewing my own cheeks for decades and it never gave me a chiseled jaw 🤣

[@justchilling704]

@@BrokenEvil How can something natural cause headaches? I suggest actually researching a topic before blindly listening to some KZbinr that doesn’t even make content on the topic.

[@bethannew9207]

Anxiety and adhd has me pressing my tongue to the roof of my mouth and clenching my jaw and I don't tend to notice I've been doing it until I go to eat or something and my jaw is tight/sore 😅... Its not fun lol

[@abigailbustos1231]

Mewing is so annoying. That is just how my tongue sits in my mouth, and I still have a double chin! These people need to knock it off!

[@ennds4636]

Same haha.

[@AnnekeOosterink]

It's how your tongue should be, or at least I was taught that by my physiotherapist. I had a lot of tension headaches and I got all kinds of exercises to stretch my neck, back, and jaw muscles so they'd maybe relax a little. One of the exercises was putting my tongue behind my front teeth, or softly massaging the jaw muscle in the hinge of the jaw to stretch it out a little. It feels a little like "This physiotherapy exercise meant to help with recovery after surgery and making sure the tendons and muscles don't adhere to each other is going to make you look good." Like. No. That's not how it works.

[@monique6451]

lol 😆

[@DarkKing-z6b]

Mewing is a cope

[@ravenmarkussen291]

So what im hearing is that my cat is the ideal man. Lean, hunter, sharp jaw, handsome, and fantastic with the ladies. Cat boys for the win

[@ouwebrood497]

No wonder lot of women turn into cat ladies.

[@vklnew9824]

Poorly aged white ♀️

[@4amlibra]

@@vklnew9824Just how many comment threads did you nonsensically add this exact “reply” to?

[@urrrsula]

Looksmaxxing is so toxic...

[@StarlightSelenite]

I’m thinking personality is WAY more important. Like kindness. Interesting interests, that aren’t criminal. Being good to others. Yeah, that is way more important.

[@AAAAAA-n9f]

As a top 1% of alpha males I can assure you that we are not all like that /s

[@samanthadelahunt3698]

Mewing helps my migraines tho so that at least is beneficial

[@StarlightSelenite]

@@samanthadelahunt3698 wow, that’s great!

[@tinkercat8268]

@@AAAAAA-n9flol That’s my favorite comment ever 😂

[@crossidy7223]

All of looksmaxxing reminds me of american psycho (not necessarily the serial k1ller part, but the main characters other characteristics). Not that every man doing this is striving to become like the psycho, but definetly feels like thats where theyre headed to with blindfolds on. This is so dangerous for them and everyone around them.

[@thehillisalive]

Makes perfect sense because these are probably the same people who took this clearly satirical film and went "omg patrick bateman is literally me"

[@painunending4610]

Why is it dangerous to 'everyone around them'? Lime I can see how some are hurting themselves, but that doesn't mean they'll hurt others. I think it's disingenuous to say they're violent or more capable of being violent

[@crossidy7223]

@@painunending4610 Not talking about violence, its very harmful way of seeing yourself and others. why I think its dangerous is various mental health issues going into the looksmaxx rabbithole will likely cause

[@petitmains]

I saw a TikTok I assumed was a parody of American Psycho and sent it to my friends like "Hah! This one's funny!" They were like "Babe. Gotta check the rest of the account. This man is dead serious."

[@zyyl1949]

I’m as deep into looksmaxxing as it’s probably possible to go, but also very psychopathic so I might be able to offer insight on this. At the root, looksmaxxing is just the intrasexual competition strategy of ‘self-promotion’ and aligns closely with the sexy son hypothesis, good genes theory and Fisher’s principle when sex ratio nears 1:1, that’s it in essence. Most ‘looksmaxxers’ from what I’ve seen in the obscure parts of the internet that I’ve lurked seem to be on the autism spectrum and to have experienced bullying. By extension, this imo is why there’s such an obsession with gonial angles, maxila projection, canthal tilt etc as they view attractiveness mathematically and not via aesthetics and the female gaze

[@werewolfie100]

I bet most of these men never asked a girl what they look for in a man or even have a girlfriend. I'm a chubby dude and my girlfriend loves my chub she only want someone thats treat her right and kind and there for her, we been together for 2 years and counting, she saved my ass at my darkest time but she loves me for me and my fat. I am still trying to lose weight a look better but that because for my own health. Lol i know how weird that last part sounds 😂

[@Roxestar]

The guys that look like the “ideal” are the ones I would cover my drink around, expect to body shame me and to be named Chad (derogatory).

[@Muniaczek90]

I avoid dudes looking like that because they look creepy for me and give the vibe that makes me not feel safe in their company 😬

[@georgiadailey182]

Absolutely, they glorify the "hunter" eye but I don't want some guy looking at me like I'm prey.

[@ArDeeMee]

@@Roxestar They look like they want to eat you. … in the bad way. =/

[@Mortibella]

I thought having 2 boys that I wasn’t gonna need to worry about this shit. Luckily I just checked in with them and, while they’ve both heard of this (they are teens), they both said they thought it was stupid. 😅 Thanks for informing me of yet another thing that I need to know about on the internet!

[@DarkKing-z6b]

Ropmaxxing

[@LumineGenshinCrochetHOLY]

Do they really think us women only want pretty guys? I don't want a pretty guy who only cares about looks. I want one who will be with me threw good and bad times, who is confident in himself. I want someone who wants to make a family with me, who will love me and like my body even when I gain weight or when I have kids and am out of shape. Someone who is there for me, and where I can be there for him. I am beautiful and I don't care for looks in men. I have a 10 year relationship and my boyfriend doesn't have huntereyes, he has hooded eyes that go downward, he has a weak chin, he is average heigt and doesn't have a sixpack. He is very beautiful to me the way he is. And for real what would it change for him to have a different jawline? NOTHING. I love my boyfriend because he is allways supporting me, he was there for me when my dad died from cancer, I was there for him when his mother almost died from aneurism. Do you think after having had these experiences we were thinking about looks? No, you treasure that they are healthy and you have time with them. My female friends don't care for looks either, they want someone who they trust and that is not only concerned with themselves. And the fun thing is since I stopped caring about putting makeup on or dying my hair or wearing the trendy clothes, I became more myself, I got more confident and I started to like myself more. I don't compare myself to others cause that's just an insecurity. Do I need to know how attractive I am on a scale from 1-10? No, I just need to like myself, I don't need others to find me pretty. Do I need my friends to look beautiful? Ask yourself that, do you like your friends more if they are beautiful? Cause in my opinion the answer should be no.

[@ColorfulDolor]

someone pinch me, did Swoop just say they were doing a doc on Pearl?! I'm speechless and excited

[@monz]

Omg, soooooo so excited for this one!!! Pearl is wild to me 😱

[@ColorfulDolor]

@@monz Yes! i watched the "debate" video between her and H3 and I just cringe

[@mickaylamaystrawberry6251]

I'll never understand why they ask other men what women want rather than actually asking women what we like, also red pill guys will say we are run through and sleep with anyone but then we are also to picky and gold diggers which one is it !!!

[@DumpsterFairy97]

Right there are not enough men with money for us to be doing both 😂 especially since it's all like 18 year old dudes with these opinions. Almost everyone young is broke especially at this point. I personally don't know ANYONE with even decent money at my age and im mid 20s.

[@Franken5teinMadness]

I'll use myself as an example, redpill told men to keep their trauma to them cause it'll be use against them while women say that they want men to be more open about their felling . I once confessed some childhood trauma to my girlfriend and few month later she use it against me during an incredibly petty arguments, the cherry on top after making what was for me a monstrous effort to tell her that she hurt me by doing this, she gaslighted me saying that I was the one who hurt her when I tell her that what she just did hurt me. So now I now I keep my bad feeling for myself as the redpill advice,since listening to the zeitgeist ended up hurting me more in the end. It's one personnal experience among many that make me think that listening to women about what the want in a men is not always the right thing to do.

[@Franken5teinMadness]

Another example, I often help her with her rent and grocery, but one day I dared to ask her for a little monetary help to go to an interview for my PhD and she was in a huff for a whole week. So yeah the second you're seen lacking you're instantly a trash in the sideway

[@Franken5teinMadness]

All this to say that sometime people may fall for the redpil not out of indoctrination but personnal experience

[@hannahp1108]

@@Franken5teinMadnessYou aren't describing characteristics of women, you're describing characteristics of a shitty person. The "red pill" community just convinced you it's a woman thing.

[@MaraBaelish]

The "nasties" is genuinely an excellent workaround to ya know, the word.

[@kembm]

In the Jordan Peterson clip I died bc the interviewer asks if he knows about incels/red pill communities and he goes “I’m vaguely familiar“ and then goes off about all their deep beliefs and why they have them 😂

[@rockandrollfantasy86]

Jordan needs some voicemaxxing.

[@sanityshorror]

​@@rockandrollfantasy86 Lil bro always sounds like he's boutta cry 😭😭

[@ApequH]

Yup, that was so funny

[@ForsakenDAemon]

Pick-me behaviour makes perfect sense to me because it’s not about being found sexually attractive - it’s about getting validation from people perceived to be in power. These guys react badly to being found attractive by women, queer men, and nonbinary folx because that’s validation from someone they consider to be lesser. The only true validation for them is by the powerful, and that road leads inexorably to inceldom.

[@painunending4610]

"These guys react badly to being found attractive by women, queer men, and nonbinary folx" ... Do they? I've never seen this. Can you recall any examples

[@normasanchez9037]

@@painunending4610If a gay man finds a guy attractive, they assume that he wants to sleep with him. They hate the trans community saying its all biology. They believe super traditional women rights(which women did not have) so a woman’s opinion “doesn’t matter” because women are just an object or accessories to their life. They look for the prettiest women so that they look good. There is loads of examples that are clear if you listen to their bs

[@thomass5440]

What the hell kind of assumptions was that? Asking as a queer guy. We will literally blame anything other than say “society has put too pressure on men to look a certain way” won’t we? But we’ll say that till we’re blue in the face about women?? Make it make sense

[@lillachrissay5564]

​@@thomass5440 I think maybe the writer means something like that the guys in question are idolating a specifik subset of men to such an extent that the opinions of anyone and everyone else - even potential partners or family - are given zero weight. (I'm not putting any value on the text itself, this is just the only way I find that the text makes any sense)

[@pmurphz]

OP, do you know each of these men individually to make such blanket statements. I'm a gay man and completely disagree with you. I'm really disappointed with your take. As a man I'm sure you'd understand there's more to mens mental health thab stupid internet terms like "incel" and "pick me" BS. It's completely dismissive of the idea that men can struggle at all. When men have body image issues, it's their fault. But if a woman does it's society's fault. Like who knows, it may be possible that it's not all pick-me and inceldom behaviour that leads to this. Maybe, just maybe men struggle with similar issues to women at times. But you would need empathy to understand that, unfortunately for you. Why is misandry acceptable yet every other 'phobia' is not?

[@4Mr.Crowley2]

The comments re “bone smashing” by the gentleman are actually terrifying as one could easily blind themselves by striking a facial bone and damaging the eye socket and/or sending a bone shard through the eye. Sigh. Great video Swoop but this is so depressing.

[@ugh712]

I'm a woman who has always been insecure about my sorta masculine eye shape and inability to get my eyeliner to look right but it brings me some joy to know these weird alpha male podcast bros are doing stupid shit to their faces now just to try to get what I naturally have and have always hated about myself. guess I'll go use my sexy hunter eyes to pick up some chicks now 😂

[@tiffanyd269]

I feel this so hard. I love my eye color but hate my hooded lids and eye shape, because as much as I love doing eye makeup between my lids and my glasses there's zero point ☠️🙃

[@yasu7409]

as a past broken woman, let them do what they want. let them experience the pain of being completely distraught at each tiny fibre of yourself. let them judge eachother the same way they judge us. as a HEALED woman however, i don't wish the anxiety and hatred upon anyone let alone an entire other sex. this is so sad to see.

[@shrek-tr4ud]

THIS IS SO REAL!!

[@heavenlysmile2484]

i think this will do some amount of good. people can't seem to truly empathize with others unless they go through the same suffering. i see this as a road to mutual understanding.

[@littleshopofeldritchhorror6224]

@@heavenlysmile2484hopefully

[@ericabamforth6528]

Well said.

[@monroeglam]

I see where you're coming from except, the target is kids and teen boys. Children shouldn't have to feel that way regardless of what they are.

[@thelittleowl8399]

that guy going on about face symmetry makes me laugh when everyone and their mum will say how charming a crooked smile is.

[@waterox73]

Nearly every human head is very asymmetrical. Reminds me of an assignment in an old darkroom photography class where we all made prints of our faces after cutting the negative in half and flipping it so we could pair the 2 halves into 2 new "faces." The results were dramatic, showing one side of mine was skinnier than the other, which was a more square, block like shape. Super interesting and debunks this kind of eugenics/phrenology stuff because the human norm is not symmetry but in fact the opposite.

[@thelittleowl8399]

​@@waterox73 oh god yeah never done it with negatives but if you get a similar effect if you mirror one side of your face with a filter or an actual mirror. There was a interesting study done that showed that people with more "perfect" faces are more forgettable too. can't remember the name of it but it was an interesting read.

[@JenArch]

So glad you touched on social media. I honestly believe it is the root to all of this. Unattainable beauty standards have always been a thing but with AI, filters, and the internet have introduced norms that are just not real. Being on social media so frequently 100% leads to feelings of inadequacy when it's filled with people who have filters on and lighting. I really wish we could be online and just physically be ourselves instead of tweaking all our pictures to a perfection that doesn't exist.

[@averlinbc5680]

Not only that, but the obsession American media has with attractive actors

[@CARATMom]

After the face smashing I will once again question why no one calls this trend the Handsome Squidward

[@Lucy-qv2ur]

That's exactly what I thought lol

[@Ixc795]

I get it's serious but I'm confused.. Why didn't they call it bonemaxxing ?

[@sherrismith8874]

I agree with Curtis: No more online courses!

[@Caroline1025.]

Genuenly feel bad for these guys. it's important to remember that body dysmorphia/dysphoria is a mental war and is incredibly damaging to men and women. We need to get to a point where men feel safe expressing themselves to someone they feel safe around

[@Deus_ex_lucifina]

The problem is that they don’t want help. It’s men keeping men from feeling like they can express themselves at this point. They silence any man that deviates from this red pill ideology as “soft” or “simp”. We are not able to help them - they have to do the work themselves.

[@DarkKing-z6b]

Looksmaxxing is not only for men, it's for all people, men and women, you can call it glow up or self imrpove or anything you like, in the end it's the way to be the best version of yourself, lookmaxx was considered somthing only for men because everyone who talks about it are men, the reason is due to the difficulty of attracting a hot girls, while women have it easier, because men will fvck anything, so please women, have a certain awareness when talking about a topic

[@mayaaditi]

so basically the same thing women have been silently doing for hundreds of years but this time loud and aggressive?

[@annvassallo2604]

Exactly.

[@manuelsilva6244]

Women where loud and aggressive about this things. They still are.

[@ngarcia103]

I recently got surgery to repair my injured shoulder, and the process scared the hell out of me. Being a straight man, I can't imagine voluntarily (!) going under the knife just for the purpose of impressing other straight men.

[@syntheticnightshade]

These men got the wrong message from American Psycho

[@mirisparkleslikewhoa]

For real!!!

[@kenziegrieman8142]

Okay true story-I work in the beauty department in a department store and we had a man once come in to find a skincare routine after he had watched American Psycho. He wanted “the best products” we had and then was very surprised at the price tag

[@DarkKing-z6b]

Looksmaxxing is not only for men, it's for all people, men and women, you can call it glow up or self imrpove or anything you like, in the end it's the way to be the best version of yourself, lookmaxx was considered somthing only for men because everyone who talks about it are men, the reason is due to the difficulty of attracting a hot girls, while women have it easier, because men will fvck anything, so please women, have a certain awareness when talking about a topic

[@syntheticnightshade]

@@DarkKing-z6b Okay Mr. Bot. Seriously though as a man, I get the thought process but maybe chill. I've never met a woman who wasn't impressed by common decency and emotional awareness over looks.

[@DarkKing-z6b]

@@syntheticnightshade so what you want to say ?? Looks not that important ??

[@SkwithOv]

i have hooded "hunter eyes" and i always raised my eyebrows to make them look LESS like that when i was younger (i felt like i looked too serious and mad and you could never see any eye makeup i did) and now it's something i do sometimes without realizing never would have realized people would be pulling their eyelids for that look 🥴 the grass is always greener or whatever i guess lol (for the record i do like my eyes more now ♥ i also "solved" the issue of my nose looking crooked/asymmetrical by getting it pierced, so now it feels more balanced and i like it - no bone smashing or other daily looksmaxxing efforts required)

[@hotpinkcrayolas]

Discovering that I would be a hot man because of my hunter eyes and my tendency to suck my tongue to the roof of my mouth is honestly not what I needed today 😅 x

[@angel127_]

lol i raise my eyebrows to make my eyes less hooded and it gives me migraines

[@HiddenDarkHM]

I have "sleepy bitch" eyes, I wonder if that counts in their book... My eyes just always look like I'm about to take a nap lol.

[@chestterfield]

This is the perfect example of how body dysmorphia works on boys. Of course it had many different variations for a while, but this right here- is on a different level.

[@extracthiroshima]

If we took the amount of time obsessing over ourselfs and put that into caring and taking care of others, the world would be a nicer place to coexist

[@DarkKing-z6b]

We know this is cope, so stop it

[@kiterafrey]

As a part Jewish girlie, before you even said the German N group I knew we were going there and I was so shaken I stopped typing on my work mid sentence and lost all focus. Red Pill is so linked to ⚪supreme ideology that it even comes down to a level of looksmaxxing typing into N ism.

[@angel127_]

i swear there’s a word for it , is it eugenics ?

[@kiterafrey]

@@angel127_ Yes

[@MellowJelly]

yeah. all this stuff online is totally eurocentric and most if not all beauty standards are measured by a caucasian default. i'd say it's boring but it's also sickening.

[@ajm2360]

As a Jewish dude through my mom's side(my dads Italian)that whole aspect of Redpill ideology is very much concerning to me because I'm willing to bet being jewish isn't something they consider attractive and same can be applied for most everything that isn't white. It's really disgusting too because I bet they don't like people who like non white people as well as just not liking non white people. Like I'd much rather be myself and be with a woman who's my type(which is generally like olive to dark skin(like what we associate with being "of color" ig), dark brown/black hair and brown eyes) than do this weird eugenics stuff and thus basically deem both myself and what I view as attractive as bad in order to make sure my future child has that canthill or whatever dumb shit they talk about. And for the record I don't even want kids

[@AndromedaChace]

Yep. N*zis were super into Physiognomy, which is exactly what looksmaxxing ideals are.

[@humphrke]

Wjy does this feel like romanticising body dysmorphia very much like the pro ana things?

[@torimbfs]

I remember when guys made fun of other guys and called them metrosexual for basic hygiene. Seriously, though. Try to eat healthy, be at least a little active, and be hygienic. Take care of your teeth. Those things will make you feel better, and in turn, look better. You don't need to beat yourself with a hammer.

[@tawnyew]

My heart hurts for these people doing the most without self love and with that body neutrality. I have weight struggles and body image issues myself. Finally asked my doctor what a healthy weight for myself should look like... only around 10pounds she said but that I'm doing great and in the right path. I just strive for health and comfort within myself. I wish that for everyone else as well

[@LittleMrsNonsense]

I’m an elementary school teacher and one of my 5th grade boys (who is deeply insecure about being the shortest kid in the class) is starting to majorly fall down this rabbit hole. It hurts my heart because he is such a sweet and thoughtful kid who will absolutely not struggle to find a significant other when he’s older but he’s been convinced (partially by these stupid influencers) that unless he figures out how to make up for his height with other parts of his appearance, girls will never look twice at him.

[@bmocbruhistotle339]

Why are you lying to that poor kid

[@vklnew9824]

Poorly aged white ♀️

[@pshaw8406]

Years ago, I remember reading that Elvis would smack his wife in the forehead everytime she would furrow her brow or, basically, show emotion because he didn't want her to wrinkle. Look what that obsession with looks eventually did to her face? Smile, laugh, be happy. All this is stupid and a waste of time.

[@justkiddin84]

Yep. Abuse King.

[@ChardeeMacdennis339]

Yeah apparently Elvis was into 14 year olds 😒 the no wrinkles thing makes sense

[@ngarcia103]

I'm glad someone's shedding light on the fact that beauty standards are just as twisted and toxic towards men, and that it does more harm than good not just outwardly, but on the inside (mentally). More people need to see that men, too, are pressured to... do things to themselves... in order to appear more attractive"; to look more like "the guy in the magazine". From a young age, boys / men are told, "real men look like this", "real men do that", etc. And it gets lost on so many people that men are being told to put on this fake image in order to be considered a "real man". I've been self-conscious about my looks ever since I was a teenager. These "looksmaxxing" videos certainly don't help. To me, the men in all of these videos gave off a "you look terrible. I look so much better than you and I can attract any woman I want. But here's how you can look like me..." kind of vibe. These men talk like they know better than ACTUAL WOMEN as to what women want. (And it's why I never go to other men when I need advice on how to attract a woman.) All of this said, I'm glad that somehow, my will is strong enough to never give in to "looksmaxxing" or anything similar. At some point when I was a teenager, I chose to stop pursuing the "perfect male image" and decided to just start being myself. It's been FAR easier.

[@alisonmercer5946]

good for you. The thing is is that there is no good ending to becoming obsessed that way. It's pure self destruction. it's a game that is impossible to win

[@andilee1512]

also that quote: just because you have one, doesn’t mean you have to be one…

[@DarkKing-z6b]

My ass

[@roxyndra]

Dude, the trance worked on me, and the countdown bringback did too. What just happened?

[@luhaguilar]

Thanks to this video, I found out that I’ve been mewing unconsciously for years now because I have anxiety and not only I grit my teeth for no reason because ✨tension✨, but also I’ve always felt like my tongue rests more comfortably in when the tip is touching the roof of my mouth. And let me tell you looksmaxxers a little something: it does nothing. It has not changed my face shape whatsoever.

[@jelyfisher]

Same! I do the same thing. And yeah, my face is unchanged.

[@Lynnie2005]

"Starve-maxxing" is literally anorexia pushed towards men. I've seen the exact same thing on pro-ana forums. OMAD, % body fat, calories, macro and micronutrients, over-exercising, and measuring all can be found on 2010 ed Tumblr. I've participated in "challenges" and diets like the 3 banana diet, Victoria secret diets, diets where you couldn't exceed x00 calories a day. The only goals I've achieved with purposefully developing ana at age 11 was crippling body dysmorphia and worsened depression and anxiety. This disease will last a lifetime. I've been hospitalized 4 different times just because of my eating disorder for months. There is nothing attractive about sitting on bed rest in a hospital with a nasal gastric tube in your nose crying about the 3,500 calorie emergency nutritional rehabilitation diet you've been placed on to save your failing organs.

[@SpecialBlanket]

> purposefully developing ana at age 11 hey this is how i described my experience too, but if you even wanted to self-program, you already had the roots of the thing. that's like saying you purposely got molested-- there's no level of "consent" that can make you not a valid survivor

[@Lynnie2005]

@@SpecialBlanket Yes, I agree. I already had horrible body dysmorphia and depression/anxiety. It was also partly genetic, lucky me 😓😓. I meant I had just learned what it was and started copying the bad ed behaviors from what I saw online. I romanticized it without knowing it would ruin my life.

[@bluntichibanopinion7319]

Why can’t we all be individuals? I don’t want to be like everyone else. I like being me, an individual.

[@hanabi_kitty]

Hey Swoop! As someone with TMJ and has physical therapy, while I never heard it called "mewing", putting the tongue on the roof of your mouth to help not clench therefore taking pressure off the jaw joint. Hope this helps!

[@petitmains]

Ayyyy! I'm a clencher and my orthodontist pointed out I already have my tongue resting on the roof of my mouth so all I had to do then was be aware and every time I was aware - check if I'm clenching. It's been very helpful!

[@ngarcia103]

14:35 - "... because there are a lot of definitions here, some of which I unfortunately had to research on incel forums." And that right there tells me all I need to know about "looksmaxxing" and how awful / toxic it is.

[@WynneL]

In the end, all that fake-redpill stuff is just a way for grifters to get money from lonely young men. And they're often backed by oligarchs if you trace the money, because they benefit from people being more interested in gender wars than in politics and holding politicians accountable as public servants. They don't want to ever have to pay as large a tax percentage as regular people.

[@cesaronti1984]

As a guy I say if you wanna get a date don't listen to Andrew Tate and all thiese insecure "cyber chads" be your self and girls will gravitate towards genuine and confident guys

[@eve5226]

It absolutely breaks my heart that some young men are willing to take a hammer to their face because of how shitty they feel. Obviously go to therapy, but damn thats sad. Especially if they don't have access to help

[@lorenorzorro1996]

im autistic and one of my quirks is that i constantly have my tongue up on the roof for self soothing..... this whole mewing thing makes me hate myself for doing that so much

[@Beckhi13]

My tongue naturally rests on the roof of my mouth and my jaw is practically non existent so I call BS on the whole mewing thing lol

[@katelynelms3062]

I noticed that I do that too, when she mentioned it!

[@Fadingroses19]

I am not autistic but I do that sometimes to self soothe not to mew like the billing dept 😂

[@rociosegura6091]

I do this too and my jawline still looks crap lol

[@witchyemmy8090]

I do it because of lifelong stress. Quite literally cant geti ti back to the "normal" placement

[@jm_mort]

"I dunno how you walk around with those things just hanging out" OMFG 😆😆😆

[@Alinda1308]

I'm a woman and the man that I have madly fallen in love with and consider the most hot man I've ever met is practically the opposite of what these guys think we desire, tbh. He has doe eyes (which I personally love), soft jaw line, he does sport but doesn't lift and definitely has body fat (never been a problem, on the contrary). Every time I see men come out with these theories I'm like "Ughhhhh, seriously, again??!"

[@bunnybutt5664]

Sadly, my mom falls under this category of older women who don't really like the way she looks no matter what anyone says. My mom is around 48 now, and, for her age, my mom looks amazing! She's one of the most beautiful women I know in terms of looks for her age... but my mom is terrified of the idea of getting older still. I did my best to always compliment and reassure my mom that she looks beautiful in any outfit she gets for herself that looks really stylish. My mom always dresses up for anything, no matter where she goes. Even for something as mundane as going to get groceries. However, despite the beautiful features and beautiful body she has, my mom still has lingering insecurities stemming from way back when. She was a chubby girl like me, and people made fun of her or jeered at her for it, always saying something awful about her body... one of those people being her own mother. My mom has always feared getting old or fat out of fear of that same negative attention. She does come off as someone who is desperately trying to LOOK young instead of accepting and aging gracefully. Luckily, the only work she ever got done was a cheekbone lift since she didn't like how her face sagged, but that is about it in terms of plastic surgery. For a while, she would even do the same thing. Constantly criticize my body or fat from when I was about as young as 10, maybe younger. It instilled a lot of feelings of inadequacy in me the same way it happened for her. I'm not as hyperfixated on it from when I was young, but whenever my mom claimed she only criticized my body because she said "I would probably hate her more if she didn't in the future."... Well, it did the exact opposite. It felt like when my mom looked at me, she was being reminded of herself; it also didn't help that looked just like her when she showed me an old picture of what she looked like. The reason I bring this story up is that a lot of these issues may seem to stem from either deep-rooted trauma from family and social media. With my mom, it's the former. I don't think it's like that for all older women, but there definitely seems to be a pattern that does seem to stem from that. It's, overall, just really tragic that now young men are going through this too and being introduced to these same, if not much worse, influences.

[@willtaggart]

I am so glad that I found my way out of this side of the internet a few years ago, I have (and still do to a lesser extent) experienced so much insecurity relating to my appearance. Luckily, I realized how self destructive I had become, and started on a far healthier road to my own self improvement. I truly feel for all of the younger men that fall into the pitfalls of deep insecurities, and I really hope that they can find healthier ways to look at themselves.

[@PeggyLuWho]

The trance!!!! Oh my god, you never fail to crack me up. Can we get a Swoop Too video on the PUA tangent, please?

[@19Carmelita92]

It’s crazy that we live in a time where there’s a big push for acceptance, yet people are more obsessed with fitting an impossible beauty standard than ever.

[@ScrapDisk]

When guys do a beauty routine they make it absolutely terrifying😰

[@reallifefiasco]

Men tell other men what women want yet ignore what women say they want. Being treated like a human.

[@HiddenDarkHM]

"Girls are so hard to talk to" "Girls are from a different planet" "It's impossible to know what women want" My dude. My bro. Have you ever actually attempted... to talk... to a girl? "Yeah bu-" No no no, not chat up, not hit on, have you ever just tried to have a conversation. With a girl. Like a regular person? I guarantee it will change your life.

[@manuelsilva6244]

​@@HiddenDarkHMyes and they don't care or even responde they act like assholes and reduce you to a lower human.

[@manuelsilva6244]

Well guys tell girls that they don't need make up, fox eyes, bbl butt, etc.... and yet they still obsess over those things and say no dude wants them of they dont have that. Girls do, act and talk the same.

[@JustChillingOnTattoine]

​@@manuelsilva6244if that's your overall experience you may want to reexamine the way you talk to women. Every single one of them cannot be in the wrong,it sounds more like a you problem. Maybe you come across agressive or misogynist without meaning to.

[@Hinata8778]

When we say that we like men who take care of themselves, it's like some simple skincare and shower routine, not whatever this is

[@DarkKing-z6b]

Not enough