The DEPRAVED Mind of Ruby Franke: 8 Passengers FINAL Downfall

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[@lilliawright3771]

She withheld food as punishment, didn’t let her oldest son have a room for almost a year, and blatantly terrorized her children LONG before Jodie came along. Kevin was there for all of that. Jodie is a monster but she didn’t influence Ruby; they just found a common bond out of hurting children.

[@specializedchemicals6669]

this! right here!

[@Bunnykoobujo]

Exactly! Kevin even supported Ruby at one point when the Internet was coming after her for her punishment tactics. He said that he agreed with them and that she was A-OK with her parenting technique. He essentially gave up when he walked out of the kids lives for 14 months, if that was so easy for him to do, I don’t see why he should get them back now.

[@ShannonBartkowicz]

​@@Bunnykoobujo Agreed!! I think, He is just as Guilty as Ruby, he should be in a cell himself!! He Never protected the kids, He went Along with everything Ruby did and then, he went along with Everything Jodi said! He should not be allowed around those kids

[@lisavalentine8877]

Exactly!

[@annieonpaper]

Jody's been around way longer than you think. Sending Chad to wilderness camp was Jody's idea. Taking his bedroom away was too. Ruby even used that as an excuse for the backlash at the time, saying she wasn't wrong for following a professional therapist's advice. Chad even mentions Jody as his therapist by name once in a video. That video about Eve forgetting her lunch, Ruby is using Jody's lingo too. Jody's been around just as long as Ruby's channel almost, but her influence grew with time. Ruby's still guilty, though.

[@kristief.8574]

Honestly, Kevin Franke SHOULD NOT have access to those kids. My mother both mentally and physically abused me, and my father was complacent. In my book, my father was equally responsible. Kevin is NO savior, and should be kept far, far away from those kids. Let those kids heal. Keep them BOTH away!

[@lde-m8688]

And now he is suing for money against Jodi. Sure, if the courts want to assign representation for all the kids and keep the parents away from the money. But Kevin doesn't deserve anything but 3 hots and a cot.

[@stephaniec0625]

I agree based on what we know or have been told so far.

[@Oraclestwin]

Present but absent parents who don’t protect their children should not have custody. They have already proven themselves unable to parent while enabling abuse.

[@tigerlily102511]

I agree. The abuse started way before Jodi entered the picture. Kevin allowed it. He is equally as guilty.

[@moona3206]

I'm so happy someone mentionned that !! They're not safe with the accomplice...

[@Bunnykoobujo]

I pray to God that Kevin does not get custody of those kids, he was just as much involved as Ruby was. The fact that he walked out on his kids only for the sake of Ruby, and then attempted to press charges on his oldest child makes me feel like, he’s protecting himself and possibly Ruby. Both of those people who dare call themselves parents do not deserve these kids.

[@brendad940]

I agree and worry about Kevin getting the kids. He is the most wishy washy excuse of a man/father I've seen. I think he filed for divorce just to protect their finances and make himself look better. There is no excuse for him abandoning his kids for over a year just to please Ruby and I think he'd still do anything to save that relationship. I really pray he doesn't have those kids.

[@TJ-wz3tt]

​@@brendad940He's just as guilty IMO

[@foxymama9203]

Absolutely agree!!!

[@ngarcia103]

I say this on every video about them... even if Kevin is telling the truth that he didn't know what was going on for those 13 months, what excuse does he have for the several years before that?

[@Bunnykoobujo]

@@ngarcia103 your username freaked me out for a second since it’s the initial of my first name and my last name 😂😂😂

[@SavvvyGhost]

I still tear up hearing the 911 call. When the man says something like “you enjoy that banana son” and his voice cracks is so heartbreaking. A complete stranger took care of the sone better than Jodi did their entire lives. I hope Jodi is enjoying not having her own room, loving the crappy prison food, and is very uncomfortable rn 😌

[@princessofhell4639]

Agree with your comment but just a reminder Ruby is the mother and the one who took away the room ect Jodi is the therapist one

[@littleshopofeldritchhorror6224]

Jodi has been in the family’s life longer than we realise I think. Which I think took Ruby from a very strict parent to a diabolical one. The things done to Chad scream Jodi, and while Kevin is not innocent at all Ruby was very much the primary (as Kevin worked at BYU) and very dominating parent.

[@JusticeTheBull]

​@littleshopofeldritchhorror6224 I believe ruby did need the help and was doing better than she was...

[@cdmurphy949]

I get tears in my eyes also whenever I hear him start speaking. "Have a seat, son.". He and his wife are true heroes. They understandably want to remain anonymous, but their empathy is obvious. The gentleman is like the caring grandpa in all this.

[@Ninja498095]

What broke me was when the man realized what happened to that little boy while talking to the police on the phone

[@marynewton5441]

The way you stopped short of saying “they don’t love you” at 47:45 and instead said “this is not an example of love” - I am so happy that whole moment was left in, it was such a beautiful capture of how you work through the messaging in these tough videos with such careful, compassionate intention. You’re such a light

[@Mirenelka]

Yes, that was impressive!

[@cantduckinbelieveit7426]

The fact that she’s taking little to no responsibility by pushing it off onto that farce of a therapist is absolutely infuriating. Own your shit. You fucked up. You abused your children. You changed the course of their lives forever. You made them feel unwanted, unworthy, and it will affect them for the rest of their existence. I hope they heal. I hope they get help. And just a circumvent any bullshit that might come up as a response to this, damn *NEAR* every single adult, who came into contact with these kids in any family capacity failed them fucking spectacularly. Aunts. Uncles. “Friends of the family”. Not to mention that person they call a “father”.

[@GraceVanderWaal-sp6jx]

Remember the spirit of Christ in your journey to forgive

[@Hearthburn1]

@@GraceVanderWaal-sp6jx Until she repents in truth she doesn't deserve forgiveness.

[@cantduckinbelieveit7426]

@@GraceVanderWaal-sp6jx I don’t subscribe to religion. But thank you.

[@maddiekain7728]

​@@wintermoon7003 how old are you now? Or how long until you age out and can leave?

[@GraceVanderWaal-sp6jx]

@@wintermoon7003 you alright lady? I don't think this is the right place for this

[@krisl6537]

I hate hate hate the fact that so many people and her team have decided to solely blame Jodi as if Ruby wasn't a total dumpster fire before. That woman was always abusive, she did not get manipulated into escalation, she just found a partner in crime who she could be her true self around, and that gave her the endless validation that she so desperately craved. They are both demented, and they both should rot in prision.

[@reginarainer9740]

TRO did a video on it and his theory was that Ruby shopped around until she found Jodi because they enabled her abuse instead of challenged her. Which is something I agree with.

[@MadeOfQuestions]

Jodi was actually recommended to Ruby by her brother and his wife. She didn't shop around... and Jodi actually moved into the Franke home for over a year. If anyone was Jodi's prey, it was Ruby. Ruby was perfect for Jodi. Jodi wanted Ruby's platform of millions of viewers, with her morman background and willingness to go along with the purity culture and abuse it was just a perfect storm. Jodi had diagnosed psychopathic tendencies and narcissistic personality, according to Jessi. When you combine those disorders with a psych degree, 0 accountability, and no soul, you're bound to get some terribly manipulating behavior. Ruby is 100% responsible for what she did and allowed to happen to her kids. Jodi is 100% responsible for everything she's done as a licensed mental health therapist over the decades. I just don't think Ruby was looking for someone to validate her abuse. I'm pretty sure Jodi was looking to use Ruby's platform tho

[@lactofermentation]

IMO, it doesn't matter how much influence Jodi had: Ruby duct taped her her younger children's limbs, locked them in a room, then starved and dehydrated them. There's something wrong with anyone who thinks that's anything less than unforgivable.

[@krisl6537]

@@MadeOfQuestions the only thing I'd disagree on is that Ruby was Jodi's prey. You see, that feeds into the mindset that Ruby was manipulated by Jodi and also places her in a victim's position. Ruby is NOT a victim, she was starving, abusing, and isolating her children way before Jodi came into the picture. If anything, they were a perfect storm because they both found a completely like-minded person, they fed off each other.

[@belinus7180]

It's a legal trick to try and show that Ruby lacked "mens rea" or "guilty mind". In this case, her defense is essentially "I was just following orders." Problem is there just some things, like depriving your children of food/water, that are patently wrong. Especially since Ruby could have easily verified Jodi was giving her sound strategies with a simple call to the family doctor's PA.

[@cadenandthegirl]

Shit like this is PRECISELY the reason why we should ALWAYS be skeptical of “strict parenting.” There’s a very fine line between being strict and being abusive. If you want your children to be well-behaved, you can achieve that while treating your children with respect; withholding food, adequate shelter, threatening violence, etc. isn’t being strict, it’s just straight up abuse.

[@Infantfaire]

I will never forget a time I was at a restaurant with my toddler. Without assistance my child turned to the waitress and said “I’d like a glass of orange juice please.” She was startled and asked me “How did you do that?” I was confused. Are toddlers not confident to order food and do so politely? It was the respectful politeness. She wanted to know how I taught that to my toddler. It’s simple, he hears “please” said to him. He knows what politeness feels like and so he gives it to others. Violence doesn’t solve problems, it creates them

[@IamLegionGreen]

​@@Infantfaire that is called proper parenting and you are doing a great job. Parenting doesnt need to always be about whos in control but about respect for one another. I wish more people would understand this. Children tend to emulate the environment they live in. Thank you for being a positive role model!

[@GabrielleHutson]

I have a 1 year old. My child will never be "punished" by having basic needs withheld.

[@dinosaysrawr]

It's why the hardline fundagelical parenting philosophy espoused by the likes of Mike and Debi Pearl and James Dobson is inherently abusive, regressive, and harmful, even when it's phrased in sweet, civilized-sounding language and backed up with Bible verses. A person who thinks that their child is an innately wicked being who must be brought to heel or else they will someday burn for eternity in Hell is not going to treat their child with the humanity, consideration, compassion, and tenderness they need and deserve. Or, in other words, don't take parenting advice from a dude who once beat a dachsund with a belt for wanting to sleep next to the heater on a cold night instead of in his doggie bed.

[@saushat2931]

Whats crazy is that “strict parenting” never works. Children always end up more sneaky abd secretive. Most children never feel comfortable talking to their parents and end up being the most wild adults be because their parents restricted them too much. Most of those kids lack social skills, due to the lack of their parents not letting them have the will to make their own decisions.

[@RF0rty]

usually cases like these are found out after the death of a victim. That boy saved his siblings and himself. brave kid. i hope those kids are able to heal and let their mom go, she's not a real mom and i dont think she will ever be.

[@dianealarcon8304]

We know Franke abused her two eldest children, and the two youngest. Let’s not forget her two middle girls. They probably were abused, but gave in sooner to avoid consequences by their mother. This is one reason, the father knows more. Their oldest daughter called LE and DCF, a few times, to no avail. Too many children experiencing abuse Not to be aware of what is going on in your own home. Talk about your head in the sand! Being complacent is a form of neglect. Kevin and the All the kids need counseling, and Not by the church!!

[@LilMissClementine]

What’s wild to me, as someone who grew up with some very religious-zealous type family, is how everyone is acting like this is the absolute worst abuse they’ve heard of. These types of abuse are prevalent in so many strict religious circles across the country. I wish more awareness was being brought to that angle of this story.

[@TolinaSapphire4444]

yeah i agree. especially in areas of utah and montana, those zealots are EXTRA EXTREME.... their convoys make this look like the brady bunch!

[@The_Slammy_Jammy]

I'm so sorry ❤

[@LoveJoyPeace4612]

It is very horrible abuse those poor kids went through. If this is happening in other families, that is beyond heartbreaking. I don't understand that level of cruelty and sadism.

[@LilMissClementine]

@@LoveJoyPeace4612 I agree that it’s deplorable. But it certainly isn’t a matter of “if” it’s happening. There’s a literal book called How to Train up a Child that details how to physically and emotionally break the will of your child. It’s been recommended by church leaders since the early 90’s.

[@mht4908]

Growing up I studied in Christian schools until I graduated high school. I always found things to be pushed onto students a lot of the time. There was one occasion where the principal did not allow the girls to bring a female date to prom (whether it's as friends or as a partner), she explained this as this was an opportunity for us to have co-ed interaction, but the motive was clear. It was only when the cohort rioted about it that the rule was changed. This experience plus most interactions I had with religious people made me extremely cautious and distant against them, especially with Christians

[@mylastduchess9998]

She didn't just hurt her kids. We'll never know how many kids were hurt by parents who followed her guidance. Those parents are absolutely responsible for anything they did/do, but so is she for telling them to do it and using fear to manipulate people.

[@allisonfairchild4777]

I hope the kids know that they are enough and they didn’t deserve this abuse.

[@Lanaxparillaxwife]

Same I hope they can get the help that they need & unlearn what they were taught

[@GraceVanderWaal-sp6jx]

It's not their fault.

[@starrycharacter]

I agree I hope they are surrounded by all the love and kindness and i wish the same for Jodi's Nibling

[@josie_the_valkyrie]

Unfortunately, it’s going to be a very difficult path for them. They’re going to have a lot of programming that they’re going to have to break and it’s not going to be easy.

[@momichisan]

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[@strawberryskygirl44]

I will never forgive Ruby Franke and I'm not one of her kids

[@Lanaxparillaxwife]

Same with that other lady

[@nah7656]

I hate her for what she did and even more so for how she said her son was basically a pervert when she was arrested. That poor boy wouldn't have been allowed to be around his siblings or other children until those allegations cleared up. it was her way of punishing him while behind bars and it's so damn sick.

[@GraceVanderWaal-sp6jx]

Remember the spirit of Christ in your journey to forgive

[@Loohoo2]

@@GraceVanderWaal-sp6jxwhere was he when these children were being starved?!

[@GraceVanderWaal-sp6jx]

@@Loohoo2 he was busy attending the Eras tour

[@KateCat420]

My mom never withheld dinner or allowed others to withhold food from me - when I asked her why, she specifically said it was because she was worried it could lead to an ED. Ruby Franke, meanwhile, told parents to completly isolate children with ED's because she thinks kids who have them are just "acting out".

[@christinadiaz4349]

Ruby definitely has a ED

[@genesisdcardenas9360]

Your mom sounds like what an actual mom should be. Bless.

[@TenaciousTD]

My mom was abusive and even she never withheld food from us. Even she had limits to the punishments we received.

[@oliviasobsession]

Yes, I’m happy to hear your mom treated you with respect and kindness and love, as a mother should. I can’t fathom telling a child they can’t eat, it’s sick. “Acting out” that’s the same shit that gets said about younger teens who have depression. It happens. It’s real. But I’ve met far too many parents who think of it as “acting out” and that it’s “just the kid just being a kid” or “they just want attention”. Ridiculous and beyond harmful, potentially physically and mentally

[@Chicagocanine]

It’s so dumb when people use “they’re just acting out”, or “doing it for attention” as an excuse to blame/punish kids for their behavior. Even if those things actually are true-- those are reasons to get them help, not punish them.

[@Supertrooper_00]

The LDS church and the bishop should be held accountable for recommending Jodi as a therapist to their members. Freaking ridiculous!

[@Herewearenowentertainus]

I bet this was pled out partially due to the churches influence over the courts. I also think they will get a light slap on the wrist, to help this just go away from the public eye.

[@mariusvanc]

Why? If you recommend a doctor to someone, and something goes terribly wrong, should you be held accountable?

[@Herewearenowentertainus]

@@mariusvanc the church was paying the therapist. The therapist compromised laws and released info on her patients back to the church. Do you see how laws have been broken here ?

[@piggiesmallspodcast9102]

The church HAD to have known, but obviously agreed with her inhumane “practices”. Just sick all around.

[@dianealarcon8304]

Yes, sadly many do not want to talk about the ELEPHANT in the room called The church of LDS. They have looked the other way regarding children for far too long.

[@m30wn3ss]

My heart still hurts every time I hear the neighbor's 911 call. You can hear in his voice how much he was trying to fight the tears... Poor baby had to look awful with all that was done to him. It takes a lot for a man to get choked up like that. I'm so glad he had the strength to run and the neighbors were there that day to protect them.

[@photofreak56]

I don't know if he works with kids or if he's a mandatory reporter but he did phenomenally. I can only speak for my state but as a mandatory reporter you have to ask the questions that this guy asked and you have to stay calm .Honestly I salute him for being able to say all of that without completely breaking down you do hear him choked up but he was able to get the most important information to law enforcement and I commend him for that. I do wish that the cops had separated the children away from each other because yes they probably were coached and the fact that law enforcement didn't do that really fucked things up but what do you expect from the pigs

[@ForeverLumoz]

It annoys me to no end how she blames her friend. Because she’s been a horrible mother for years. I know her (soon to be x) husband was part of that. And to make it seem like it’s just the last couple of years with Jody that she made ‘mistakes’ is absolutely mind blowingly disgusting.

[@TJ-wz3tt]

🎯💯

[@foxymama9203]

Agree!!!!! She was horrible long before that!

[@starrycharacter]

Agreed I'm not going to deny that there may have been outside forces acting in this situation but what she did is unexcusable because when you have children it is your job to protect them that means keeping the people who could hurt them or cause you to hurt them out of their life

[@khaIid624]

She wasn’t just her friend she was a therapist a professional that should be trusted

[@KingOfGaymes]

⁠@@khaIid624yeah but she was specifically a “Mormon church therapist” so already not very trustworthy

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[@nathryl03]

I want to add my voice to this message. Always take care of yourself first, we can wait.

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[@lindseyquinn_]

If we are to believe that Kevin had no idea what was happening to his children than that’s a problem! Because any decent parent would make it their business to know! You not being involved and making sure that your kids are safe, healthy and happy makes you a part of the problem! Had you done your due diligence as a father maybe you could have stepped in and stopped/prevented a lot of this. He gets no free pass. Not knowing isn’t acceptable!

[@ACE.321]

Exactly!

[@photofreak56]

During the Great Recession my dad was working 80 hours weeks as an unemployment specialist I don't feel like I really saw my dad during those years. And yet he was still enough of an Engaged parent to try and make time for me and my brother when he was able to and he did keep up with what was going on in our lives. Even when he ended up getting cancer and COPD he still made an effort to be a part of my life and my brother's life if my dad who was dealing with all of that could be an Engaged loving parent to me and my brother both of us having learning disabilities and struggles in school then Kevin has no goddamn excuse

[@dianeratti5644]

He knew exactly what was do e to those children HE WAS TNERE FOR YEARS 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 WHY THE HELL ISN'T HE IN JAIL ? HE SHOULDN'T GET AWAY WITH THIS ITS ON THERE VIDEOS 😠😠😠😠😡😡😡

[@jessetreadway5249]

Oh he definitely knew.

[@Gchildwarrior]

Took the words out of my mouth. He doesn't deserve those kids. I wish all the money those evil people earned went to actually taking care of the kids

[@trishtrish41]

I just want say a huge thank you to the man who helped those poor kids and essentially saved their lives. All of them. This man got these kids justice and answered their prayers. We all get caught up in the story of all this but without him, they may have actually brought those kids out in body bags.

[@jess.of.suburbia]

Excellent point! Some people might have not wanted to get involved. This guy is a legend. 🙌

[@searchingfororion]

Not only that, but he managed to keep a terrifed child there (despite how he was probably counting every second he was gone and had every intention to sneak back) and get as much information possible about the siblings so he could relay that to 911. It's everything that happened in the unreported time before and between that really tells you his character. He probably gave that kid the closest feeling of being safe since he could remember. That's *true* heroism.

[@jacquelineglitter4328]

Prayers for that sweet man. I wonder about him and how bad it has affected him. When I heard his 911 call I knew it was really bad.

[@auggiemain]

Ive known my dad was abusive towards me since i was a little kid arguing with a friend that he wasnt on Omegle, but its still so validating now as an adult to hear that the things he did were abusive and manipulative. Sometimes, I get stuck in my head, only remember the good memories, and start gaslighting myself onto believing I was just being dramatic. My dad kicked me out last year and Im hoping to move states away from him in the upcoming nonths and, with the help of a friend, go to college. Thanks for keeping me strong and giving me the hope to continue Swoop 💕

[@tara-a-c]

I’m so sorry you went through that. Allow yourself to feel the emotions that come, give them space and time, then move on and say “I’m building a better future for myself in spite of my past” ❤️ you deserve happiness!

[@boopmcgoo]

every time you remind us survivors that we are worth love and that it's not our fault, i burst into tears. for some reason "you deserve to be cherished" really hit me in the best way. thank you 💖

[@goddammitalana]

Alot of kids grow up without their own room or bed, etc... but the difference is with those kids it's out of necessity/ making the best out of a poor financial situation. With her kids, they know that it's a punishment and their parents have the ability to provide them with everything they need but are CHOOSING not to.

[@charliehatch288]

And to be further clear, I worked in cps, and a child not having a room isn’t something a child is taken away for, or the parents to be shamed for. It’s something that would result in hunting down a cheap bed and hopefully a donated decent mattress 😅 BUT the intentional removal of access to a bed is literal and by no means hyperbolic, abuse. I once looked after a kid the parents intentionally blocked access to their bedroom, let me tell you the judge definitely wasn’t shy to name it abuse

[@babygoeshardinthepaint]

yeah i was in 1 room w 3 bunkbeds w my 6 siblings and then later shared a room with my sister and my 4 brothers slept all together in the same room on a big pad and cozy thick roll up mats on top of that so they could have a play space during the day - my parents were not financially well-off but it was clear that we were all loved and valued.. i don't think Any of us could ever look back at that as abusive in any way.

[@BiggerinRealLife]

Not a trauma therapist, but have been through lots of trauma therapy. Unfortunately, young or not, those kids will be affected for life whether or not they remember all the details of what they went through. These kinds of experiences rewire your brain, change the way it functions, impacts the nervous system and infiltrates your physical and mental responses on a core level. Unfortunately with trauma, The Body Keeps the Score.

[@kieramaccourt8717]

Yes, exactly. As a survivor myself, I know how much this is true.

[@ladeekatt]

First, nice name drop of an incredible book. I think you just summed up what I was going to say. Unfortunately, while there may be real healing for these children, it will impact their lives and decisions for the rest of their lives. I hope that wherever they are now that they're getting the best, and most validating, help possible. Too many children of abuse and neglect fall through the cracks.

[@justagirllookingup]

You’re so right when you say the body keeps score! My 30 yr old daughter in law is still dealing with all the damage that comes along with a selfish, emotionally abusive, alcoholic parent and the other is completely checked out & hides from it all. There are times where I tell her she needs to create boundaries or nothing will ever change, but I honestly don’t think she is there yet because of the endless guilt pushed on her. I also don’t want to push too hard and cause her even more anxiety. As a parent, all I have ever wanted was to raise my kids to be confident & happy so they could grow into a healthy adult. I truly don’t understand how a parents can do this to their own flesh & blood.

[@ladeekatt]

@justagirllookingup I HIGHLY recommend the book Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents: How to Heal from Distant, Rejecting, Or Self-Involved Parents by Lindsay C. Gibson. The Body Keeps the Score is an excellent book that deals with SA, while the first book deals with (obviously) CA that can continue into adulthood. My heart goes out to her and your family.

[@PeppySteps]

While I do agree this will forever impact the children, we have to remember neuroplasticity is a thing. They have suffered a lot, but they can still heal and become healthy, fully functioning adults.

[@priscillapickel]

What she “confessed” in those documents is only the tip of iceberg of what she did to those children. I am so proud of that boy for having the courage to escape and ask for help. I am sure she had him beat down so low. I hope the best for those children and they always know they are worthy.

[@cory8526]

I know you say hopefully her Littles will not have this be a formative memory for them, but as a single father of an 8 year old with diagnosed PTSD from visitation with her biological paternal parent, it will. My baby girl suffered atrocities far less than the Frankie kids, thankfully, but sometimes things like being alone in a room, a raised voice, the sound of running water, or the smell of vinegar is enough to make us call the local "behavioral health" (their term for mental health) crisis line to get her an emergency appointment. This kind of thing WILL follow them all their lives, unfortunately. Hopefully, the extent of the trauma doesn't remain the same strength in them forever, but I can assure you they'll never forget.

[@nypupu]

I feel like kids really do have much harder time dealing with trauma since their brains are not fully developed and they lack the tools to properly process the situation. I know it myself, I still feel tons of anxiety when I hear someone stomping or cleaning up the dishes a little too loud, and I completely freeze and involuntarily stop breathing when I feel like I am in trouble (as an adult, I obviously do not get into “trouble”…). It is so so hard to be pulled back into the past in these instances so I am heartbroken for everyone who experiences something similar. I hope Ruby’s children will get the help they need asap and I wish you and your little girl a ton of luck and strength in dealing with this ❤

[@ericabamforth6528]

@cory8526 you’re a great father.

[@samp4711]

I don't know if it's technically a "family vlogging" channel, but Momma Cusses does an excellent job at talking about family without showcasing the kids. Great channel, always makes my heart happy. As does this one ❤ thank you for always reminding people that we are worthy of love and care.

[@kaymarie252]

I love her channel! The way she allows her oldest to choose if she wants to be in videos and never shows the littles, beyond one video with their backs to the camera, is an amazing way of including family in videos without invading their privacy.

[@Gancanna]

I love when she illustrates whatever wild thing her Littles have done on any given day without actually putting them on camera. She has the right of things! It's great to see a 'vlogger' putting their kids' safety ahead of the views.

[@cliffgreene1675]

As someone abused "out of love", listen to SWOOP when she say "don't believe it". I'm still working at getting over the shame and pain that was caused to me that I fully accepted as my fault.

[@littleshopofeldritchhorror6224]

It definitely wasn’t your fault. You’ve got this, one step at a time. Sending hugs and hope from the uk

[@DimaRakesah]

It blows my mind that the woman thinks she should be allowed near her kids ever again. The absolute HORROR they have been through should mean she never gets to see them again unless it's in court.

[@photofreak56]

Mormonism has this way of believing that the government will someday fall and they'll get whatever the fuck they want. For proof of this just read the witness ore ref, the polygamist daughter, Or really any book that relates to the LDS / flds. Mormonism is a racist cult where the treatment of children as property is widespread whether it's the very fundamental list Viewpoint or just the out facing views of the religion Mormonism they're creepy as fuck I think there's a really good ex-mormon Creator on this platform I can't remember her name but if you just look up ex-mormon you will find so many people talking about how this church teaches people that the government will one day fall when the second coming of Christ is upon us and how all those children that have been taken from us will return to Zion and shit it's it's a cult it's creepy as fuck and that's why Ruby thinks that she's going to be able to see her fucking kids again

[@dalfifran7572]

I don't think she will out anytime soon. By the time she's out, likely her kids will be all adult and they can choose for themself if they want to see their mother or not by then.

[@Thestashdowndiaries]

In my opinion, Ruby never actually wanted to have children and just had them because that’s what she was “supposed to do” as a Mormon. There is not one maternal bone in her body. On a side note, I think I speak for many people when I say that it’s about time that Swoop admitted those babies are hers now ❤

[@chelseaoconnor3261]

Sadly and respectfully I disagree that she never wanted to have kids. It is an incredibly unfortunate reality that many people become parents because they see it as a way to enforce their complete and utter will over another person and that power trip makes them feel good and in control. It’s absolutely messed up, but I wholeheartedly believe that you don’t reach the levels of villainy that this woman reached unless you are severely messed up morally.

[@rinherdez]

I completely agree. Especially when Ruby recounted the time when he two oldest kids were small and she left them watching TV so she could sleep and when she woke up she found that they disobeyed her and she disciplined them. It seemed like she wanted to do easy parenting by forcing her children to do their own, and getting punished of they didn't do it or did it wrong

[@kristajones7202]

It's very probable she didn't even realize she didn't want kids due to religious indoctrination until later, if ever. I grew up in a conservative Mormon household. I met my ex-husband at an LDS college at 19, married at 20. Dropped out of college for my husband's job offer. Had my first kid at 23 after 2 years of infertility, and my second baby at 25. I didn't even realize I was bisexual until 27, that's how indoctrinated I was into the ways the way The Church wanted me to live. I left The Church around the same time, for a wide variety of reasons. My kids did not grow up indoctrinated. But it will last with me for my life. Back to Ruby, I don't know if she never wanted to be a mom, or if she wishes she had waited to have them, and have fewer. I wish I had finished a bachelor's or higher in education and worked a bit before having my two kids. But, I had to work my way out of my religion to even consider that. And by then it was too late.

[@Looshfarmer]

She may not have kids, but she certainly wanted to reproduce her nasty indoctrination in others.

[@tamaraelsberry6630]

​@@kristajones7202im sorry you were so victimized. It must be frustrating when you are the victim of such a family oriented religion. I hope you don't have secret feelings of resentment towards your children. I hope there's a small silver lining somewhere..

[@ObamaMpreg]

If Ruby really wants to “mend relationships” with her family, then she should give the kids every cent she made off of exploiting them for thousands of people to watch for years

[@candiev2703]

What's scary about this and is often left out is the religious aspect. How Jodi used their beliefs and magnified them for her use in therapy. How if the kids are still in the religion will be "gently" coaxed to forgive Ruby over time. The intertwining of her therapy and the religious beliefs made this more insidious for those children. I think for even some of the adults.

[@JusticeTheBull]

Yes that church is rediculus

[@noturfaiiry]

reading the journal that RUBY wrote. she idolized Jodi and knew her kids were afraid and obeyed her more. Ruby is just as bad if not worse because it was her own kids, and reading her journal She sounds mentally insane. She gets off to pain , and takes her anger out on them. She wrote written physical proof that SHE threatened and has hurt her kids. They just used their relationship as a crutch, to do wrong. These people are far from Godly. They now made their kids probably always have resentment to having a actual LOVING relationship with God. because all they know is what they were shown.

[@mxqueer]

I love that you took a moment to make it super clear to everyone watching that people's love should not hurt, and that you provided some resources for survivors. This story is wild, the fact that it unfolded right in front of everyone on social media is just baffling.

[@floofgoose7167]

Appreciate all the effort you guys put into these documentaries!

[@PettyUniversity]

Thank you so much for being here and early!

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

​@@PettyUniversityYOU'RE THE BEST 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤

[@Akiku2]

@@danielsantiagourtado3430agreed! Swoop kicks ass!

[@jess.of.suburbia]

I think it's a bit of a reach for her to call every KZbin video she makes a "documentary". Other KZbinrs who do videos which are just as well researched and produced, don't call them documentaries. Maybe I'm just being "petty" but that's ok isn't it? She says so herself and you all worship her ass.

[@milujoTV]

Even here in Germany this topic was popular. When I saw the first reports on other American channels, I thought by myself that everytime I believe it can't get crazier, someone steps out of the woodwork and waves screaming loudly with his arms... As a mother I just shake my head and hope the kids are safe now and are able to heal.

[@radschele1815]

It was? In which channel?

[@milujoTV]

@@radschele1815 Keine Ahnung ob du die KZbinr verfolgst, aber Kyzer hat ein Video darüber gemacht und Staiy und Gronkh haben drauf reagiert.

[@curlyKTJLuvsWatermelon]

Having SEEN the room BEHIND the VAULT door in Jodi’s house, a room that it looks like was added AFTER the house was built, I am even more in awe of what those 2 youngest kids went through because it’s a JAIL CELL WITHOUT WINDOWS in a basement. Remember the disturbing book ‘Flowers in the attic’ well the youngest Franke children were becoming ‘starved and abused kids in the basement’ while mummy and her friend swarmed around a modern mansion, complete with pool with waterslide and hot tub. Imagine you see that as a child, as you’re brought in sunburned, exhausted and dehydrated from working in the sun!

[@pinknblackproductions]

I wanted to thank you, Swoop, for your work on this story and others. You have obviously spent a lot of time and effort in ensuring that we all have the entire story and that this cannot slip by unnoticed. I'm glad you're able to have a platform and a place to speak out. We are all better off and blessed in a way that you're here for us. I wish you didn't need to do this but I'm glad that you do.

[@weirdoscorner1917]

In the headspace to finish this doc. I had to stop a few days ago to kinda give myself a breather. I just want to say thank you so so much Swoop (I found your docs sometime October last year! You handle these cases with such grace & with so so much care not only for the victims but letting us know incase it gets hard for us to hear. You’re amazing!) for not telling us what happened to those children. Whatever happened has to have been so so awful. As a victim like those children to aweful parents (I don’t live with them now nor do I speak with either of them) it breaks my heart about everything that they went through at the hands of their parents. Ruby Franke should never ever be allowed near those children. I hope that they are healing and doing a lot better now. I’m sending them so much positive energy and vibes.

[@aspacelex]

Imagine being a judge or a lawyer specializing in family law in Utah.

[@ananda1044]

So many abuse cases I’m sure. Scary religion.

[@GraceVanderWaal-sp6jx]

Why are we imagining this? What is so unique about Utah?

[@GraceVanderWaal-sp6jx]

@@catcradle2532 Yeah true I guess there is some unique polygamy stuff going on, but this really has nothing to do with them being Mormon. Lady is just crazy

[@TJ-wz3tt]

I would love to know if the attorneys and judge on this are Mormons? That's my question?🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@Libraryghost26]

You'd have to really know how Mormon structures work

[@brittanyr9471]

The first time I heard about the Franke's and Daddy o' five was years ago and it grossed me out. I wasnt a mother then. I am now and hearing the details of what these kids went through brought me to tears, churned my stomach, and filled me with a new level of rage.

[@blabbe8689]

I know Swoop warned us against reading it but I read the plea agreement and oh my god that woman is a monster. Like I already knew she was awful but knowing more specifically what she did is just atrocious. I really hope those kids grow up to be happy and healthy adults

[@cheetahcreep]

google was not my friend today. I should have heeded the warning 😡😡😡🤬🤬

[@JLocke202]

Am i missing something?? I just read it as well and its what we already knew

[@cheetahcreep]

@JLocke202 no, there were a few more disturbing details that hadn't quite come to light. as such, I prefer not to repeat them here. you read that four page plea bargain right? for me it was a .pdf file that I downloaded. unless you read it before swoop documentary, then no, you're probably not missing anything. ☹️😭

[@MachallaNaNaNa]

I know what you mean. I read about 8 pages into the pdf of Ruby's journal and had to stop before I got sick. She deserves to rot in jail for what she did, and I shouldn't have gone looking

[@pinkestpeonies]

seeing one of the court charges have language that EXACTLY describes something that was done to me as a child messed me up a bit. this case isn't about me, but seeing an abuser actually have to face the consequences of their own heinous actions feels like a victory for us all. wishing those kids all the safety and comfort in the world going forward

[@setomlin35]

As a survivor of CA that was ongoing (0-17 years)... the age of the kids matters only in that, during the formative years, of you fail to bond with your children in certain ways, they will never be able to fill the hole that is left. C-PTSD goes into a lot of it. Even the kids that witnessed it will be severely effected for the rest of their lives. Attachment disorders will be an issue, as well as trust issues, depression, anxiety, nightmares, being in a constant state of alert...etc. On top of that, they will have difficulty trusting any adult or therapist, which will make therapy incredibly difficult. I wish them being young was some sort of boon, but it's worse. So so much worse. Those poor kids. (I'm speaking from experience, so take it as you will)

[@setomlin35]

P.s. APOLOGIES DON'T MEAN ANYTHING WHEN THEY COME FROM AN ABUSER. She will guilt trip them until the end of time, just to keep control. She shouldn't be allowed to speak to anyone in her family.

[@_SunscreenQueen_]

4 years after getting out of my abuse I still burst into tears everytime swoop says “it’s not your fault” cuz damnit it’s not my fault. I did nothing wrong to not only go through that at the time, but it’s also not my fault the mental repercussions (ptsd, BPD, anxiety, etc) I have developed for survival.

[@mikesanders8621]

I grew up with a mother exactly like Ruby. But when I was a kid there was no such thing as KZbin. On the one hand it's disgusting that she put all this abuse out as "content", but on the other, it's also the evidence that eventually took her down. God I hate family channels.

[@bridgetbyrne5470]

I'm so sorry you didn't have the mother that you, and every child deserve. And I hope you know it was never your fault. Sending love and positive thoughts your way ✨️❤✨️

[@nicholevimmerstedt6759]

Ruby doesn’t feel guilty for what she’s done, she’s just upset that she got caught and doesn’t like jail. She’s not reaching out to her family for healing she’s reaching out to make them think she’s healed or healing so that maybe they will drop all this and she won’t be sent to prison. She deserves prison and so much more for what she did to her kids and then having the audacity to tell other people how to parent their kids. I hope she gets everything she deserves.

[@wmdkitty]

Nah, she's reaching out to them to get them to help cover for her. Her sisters are just as vile and nasty as she is.

[@missliss2581able]

No matter what she says to her family, there is zero chance it will be dropped. The state charged her and she pled guilty to four charges with the knowledge that they will run one after the other. The absolute minimum time she will do is about 3 years and 8 months. The most she will get is 30 years because of Utah’s sentencing guidelines. But her family does not have the ability or power to do anything about the charges or her doing jail time. She’s already agreed to and the parole department will decide exactly how long she’s going to have to servd

[@joannachen76]

She doesn't seem to know what she did wrong. I think she also needs therapy to get deprogrammed and realize the horrors she inflicted on her children.

[@nicholevimmerstedt6759]

@@missliss2581able yeah I read about all this after I made my comment, I still dont think her reach out to her family saying she’s healing is anything but here trying to get in their good side per say. She’s not going to enjoy prison and wants as many people on her side as possible to make it easier on her as possible. It all selfish reason, everything she has done and continues to do.

[@opaqueandbluefrommyphone4339]

Ruby was just given a 15 year sentence for each charge to be served consecutively today. So that’s a total of 60 YEARS. Nothing about probation or parole. She has 30 days (until March 22 calendar wise) to change her mind. So lets see if Rube *means* what she’s said about “deserving her sentence” and “just wanting to accept her punishment”.

[@aracelyreyes4920]

Swoop, thanks for this eye-opening doc. I appreciate u giving a voice to the victims, especially Jessie. Having been abused but a religious guardian, I sadly can assure u being starved, tortured, hyper s**ualized & then punished for it, is horrifically common & it stems from not acknowledging that children r INDIVIDUAL HUMAN BEINGS with rights,with needs and not just property or an extension of their parent. To the victims of Ruby, Kevin, & Jodie, I wish nothing but healing, light, & happiness 🥺

[@marmar.s]

You have what's called a 'foster fail' meaning you keep the fur babies 🥰 I was so happy to see that you had a new doc out. I truly hope those kids get the healing, love and support they deserve and should have had from the very beginning.

[@littleshopofeldritchhorror6224]

Honestly I wouldn’t be able to part with the fur babies they are adorable

[@grungepen]

Swoop, i just wanted to thank you for always being the voice these victims NEED and always should've had!! These monsters failed their kids in every single way imaginable, no one deserves the abuse they had to endure. So proud of how far you've come.❤

[@smugandsmarmy]

It feels like in cases like this where the mother is ostensibly the main perpetrator, the father or male figure sort of wiggles out of responsibility by saying they weren’t aware of how bad the abuse was. Yeah, that’s crap. They don’t WANT to know. That’s willful ignorance, not an actual lack of knowledge.

[@mysticgaming2455]

hi swoop frankys channel gave me PTSD because when i was a child my mother was aggressive she was drinking every day hitting me throwing me all over the house including while i was in the shower. i have autism aspergers and borderline learning disabilities, i have many more lists which i remember. happy new year to you lovely people hope this year will be beautiful as you are

[@catasrophieGrrl]

This case makes me so sick, esp so close after the Lori/Chad Daybell case. I deeply, in my heart feel that if the young boy didn't escape, that these children would also be being looked for in Jodi's back yard right now. I'm so grateful they survived, but they saved themselves. No-one was coming to save them before this became fatal.

[@Em-tj6rh]

I was sad to hear R actually try to escaping earlier in the year, but he wasn’t successful. I’m glad he was successful the next time.

[@berniceboshoff1503]

Don't read the plea agreement, because it absolutely was becoming fatal. He was denied water and punished if he secretly drank water. Wtf

[@amandamoore7512]

I’ve seen the clip half a dozen times but still am absolutely floored “the privilege to eat dinner” is a genuine thing a mother believes

[@littleshopofeldritchhorror6224]

An that was just for chad tickle attacking Russel, like sibling do if one is ticklish. It’s shocking

[@whambamrabbitman6770]

She waddled into court like she was wearing ankle chains I wish we could have seen them lol. But also how can she blame Jodi for everything when she was denying her kids their bedrooms and withholding them food before Jodi even got involved? This is also why Kevin cant play innocent. I feel similarly to you Swoop in I know how awful and traumatising making her kids testify would be, but it stops the public and jurors finding out the details which in a way makes her look better, she might have gotten a harsher sentence if all the details had to be read out.

[@SilentThundersnow]

Exactly... And in a way, silences her kids. Maybe they need to tell their story in court to heal. I wish I would've had my day in court. But it's also possible this is best for them. Only they will know that.

[@radschele1815]

Why should it be harsher? The crime was clear. There are max sentences for every offense.

[@whambamrabbitman6770]

@@radschele1815 We dont know the sentencing yet so she might get a light sentence so it might have been harsher by comparison.

[@littleshopofeldritchhorror6224]

It would be interesting to know when Jodi actually entered the picture, I think she was involved earlier than we realised. Not that it takes the blame off ruby and Kevin

[@THEDubbleHelixx]

​@@littleshopofeldritchhorror6224 I suspect the same. I think the "counselor" who they claimed recommended their punishments early on was Jodi all along.

[@Onomatopoetiskt]

Thank you so much for keeping it “clean”. I’ve listened to and watched the abuse of these kids so many times in other yt documentaries and it’s a relief to not have to see and hear everything again.

[@impposter560]

Ditto. Thats why I watch this channel in regards to this case, even if I have to wait longer for updates. Most people seem to be trying to milk the shock factor as much as possible. Swoop is actually very respectful to the kids, too; at least one channel is putting in the effort to protect their privacy and dignity as much as possible

[@Onomatopoetiskt]

@@impposter560 exactly! That balance is hard to do and I love that she puts in the work to do it.

[@shoggothkid]

It is unfathomable to me as a parent that Ruby put her children that she carried inside of her, experienced the trauma of childbirth for, raised through sleepless nights as newborns, etc. through such horrific abuse. She is getting off easy by avoiding an attempted murder charge for what she admits to doing to her son. I am heartbroken for those babies, and I desperately hope that extensive therapy and a loving, kind home is available to them.

[@kellyj5171]

Got recommended your Swoop Two channel last week and I've been binging your stuff since then! Love how deeply you dive into this stuff and the care & compassion you put into it. Hearing you say "We're not gonna go into the accusations Jodi made against Adam Steve, that man has gone through enough for 10 lifetimes" Wow.❤ It's such a awful subject, but you really put the humanity back in it. Bless you for the work you do.❤

[@jennasessum5104]

The part that hurts me the most is that there are so many people that desperately want to be parents or those who beat themselves up over the smallest things while parenting and being absolutely terrified to make a mistake with the fear that they will mess up their kids and this woman caused harm to her children on purpose. She manipulated and inflicted pain and trauma upon her children out of her own free will and made them believe they deserved it because they were evil, how sick. I hope her kids can heal from this.

[@iolitelight]

Swoop, thank you for updating this for us. I'm crying. It's so sad that the system might let these demons off easy. I don't want to be vengeful but I hope neither is ever free again. Torturing children should not be something they can bargain their time for. Thank you for standing up for victims and sharing your own story, it's so brave. You are a total bad ass and the role model some people need. You are a light. ✨

[@tzvikrasner6073]

Not gonna lie. The cult feel of Hildebrandt's little operation was about as subtle as a load of bricks to the face. That said, Franke was like this before running into Hildebrandt, which leads to the rather easy conclusion that she joined the cult because it validated her already-held beliefs.

[@MAWmommyUT]

It is a cult

[@mnmom723]

@@MAWmommyUT💯%❗️❗️

[@Seldarius]

I can think of one little family I love to watch and that’s Julie and Camilla. Their content covers their life together, their love story, IVF experience, renovating a house together, fitness and body positivity, dealing with the changes of having a newborn around, and general life in Norway. Their son is usually blurred when he appears. They are an interesting and actually wholesome channel, if you are looking for someone to watch who’s not spewing toxic sludge onto the platform.

[@jens7872]

I like their channel too!

[@elizabthharris6741]

I really needed to hear that validation today. Thank you. You always make me feel seen and valid and not a waste of space. Cause i still, at 51, often feel that way. I still feel like they were right. Your emotion give me strength to allow myself to feel emotions. Cause i dont like to. They hurt and i suffer. Even from joy....cause it is too much it hurts to feel. I really hope others can start to feel love for themselves and understamd that they dont have to seek it out. Its inside you. AND YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT MATTERS WHEN IT COMES TO LOVING YOURSELF AND LIVING WITH KINDNESS to yourself an others.

[@KaraNolting]

I think I posted this somewhere else but it's so clear to me that Ruby had kids because 1) it's what she was expected to do 2) she HATED them and 3) got off on the abuse. The way she would GRIN and laugh out loud when her kids mentioned punishment.

[@DrGail8]

I agree the constant laughing at pain she caused bothered me the most

[@aubrie7958]

Yes, totally agree. Always made my skin crawl when she'd grin after the kids would talk about punishments they endured. Like 🤢

[@BiggerinRealLife]

I feel you on the frustration over Kevin Franke. There is no way a parent could not know what was going on with their kids when abuse was this rampant unless they were just absolutely zero contact. And what kind of parent allows themselves to have zero contact with their kids? He’s culpable.

[@SuzyJohnson-wx5gp]

He was manipulated by Jodi into believing that 0 contact was best for the kids. He was told that it’s what would get his marriage and family back. Jodi did the exact same schtick with Adam, his wife and their kids. Plus had he been involved in any of the physical abuse, he’d be awaiting sentencing alongside Jodi & Ruby or at least arrested by now. I’m not saying he’s a good father or even a good person by any means. Just that this was a thing Jodi did to husbands. She separated and isolated them from their families.

[@keeperofthe7keys1987]

@@SuzyJohnson-wx5gpno excuse. He’s a man who could have easily overpowered both Ruby and Jodi. Any decent man who loves his kids would fight for them, not leave them! He’s a spineless excuse of a man

[@redjeepjudy]

Well said

[@Normaschthewanderer]

I think dr todd grande said it best, Ruby spent all this time trying to protect her kids when in fact she was the monster from whom they needed to be saved

[@VoidBoiStar]

Dr. Grande is fuggin awesome!

[@zombiepanda5768]

The fact the dad is acting like he's not part of this abuse towards his children is unforgivable. Just look how how he acted when his oldest daughter was told she was able to get her stuff and how he wanted to press charges against her he should be facing consequences for this too

[@The-Triumphant-Truth-Talker]

My abuser constantly told me the night he brutally assaulted me that he was trying to "take care of me" because i was so drunk, like thats supposed to make sense. Same for all his other acts of abuse, that he was trying to "protect" me. Its funny how many different excuses he had, all leading back to, in some way, that it was all my fault. Im in a place now where im finally learning its not my fault. Thank you for always validating victims. Your words give me so much power. I can never say how much i appreciate you.

[@justwonder1404]

Those two have hurt so many people: Adam and all the other Jodie's victims, Ruby's children, Jessie, the children of whoever watched them and thought that was an example worth following. It's just mind-boggling that they probably would've kept getting away with it if one of the kids didn't run away until someone ended up dead. I hope they get what's been coming to them, it's just hard for me to process all that damage.

[@JakeStone7]

Hi Swoop! Love your work! I'm a therapist and have studied trauma in children. I do wish it was this way for kids too that they can "bounce back" because they're young. Unfortunately it tends to be the opposite. The younger that kids are (even in utero), but especially within the first 1 to 3 years of life, if they experience trauma or neglect, that can be significantly more impactful on their brain development than at any other time in life. If you want a good book rec, read The Boy Who Was Raised as a Dog by Dr. Bruce Perry. He also wrote one with Oprah that you might enjoy titled What Happened to You?

[@once-again-to-zelda]

I was a probation officer for the state of Florida. I wrote several PSIs (pre-sentence investigations), and they are EXTREMELY thorough. They will be looking through Ruby's vlogs and anything else they can find online. She's screwed. Well, let me rephrase. She's screwed IF the judge takes their recommendation. They took mine only about 15% of the time, so it all depends on the judge in the end.

[@ReviewsAndMore9]

How disappointing that % is so low.

[@once-again-to-zelda]

@@ReviewsAndMore9 you're telling me. after spending weeks on PSIs, there's nothing more infuriating edit: to add more insight, this rule also applied to people i was supervising. if they violated their probation and i sent the report to the court with my recommendation, the judge always had the final say. i've recommended my offenders go back to prison, only to face them in my office the next day. it's a bit unsettling when the system doesn't listen to the officers they hire. it's why i left the position. probation officers have to have degrees because of all the reports they write, we know our offenders the best because we work with them personally and already have a thorough understanding of how they operate, so it's not like we're idiots. we train for months before even stepping foot in the office. HOWEVER, a judge will look at things through their own lens. sometimes you get a good judge who knows how to be objective and sometimes you don't. like the lawyer in swoop's video points out, ruby is a first time offender. as heinous as her crime is, she's not a threat to the community as a whole (in a violent way) and it's unlikely she'll do much time. the prisons are overcrowded and ruby franke is not a dangerous felony lifer. as much as i wish she'd go away for 20 years, this probably won't go much differently than how the judge handled similar charges in the past. my prediction is... to be bleak, maybe 5 years. it sucks, but so does our system.

[@PaulsWorld88]

Swoop… you are loved… with these videos I’m forced to analyze myself with prior trauma so I don’t repeat the same mistakes… with the “petty” university coaching style… it makes it almost impossible to not recognize the faults you perpetuate through the trauma… you are amazing… please with all my heart. Don’t stop

[@PaulsWorld88]

You are literally saving me and my child’s future with these perspectives. Seriously induced mental problems from abuse are something I see you have some serious compassion for and I will never stop HEARING you for…. Again you are loved

[@melissaolsen7217]

I am a survivor of d/v s/a molestation I have adhd and severe depression anxiety and learning disabilities I'm a recovering addict/alcoholic as well it's been hard to believe anything or anyone also I stay to my self. Thanks for covering this case even though I am new to this case.

[@Guilty_Feet]

I've watched victims of abuse go through atrocious abuse and still, repeatedly, forgive their abuser. When it's your mother, it can be impossible to just cut them loose. I've seen how damaging it has been to keep forgiving an actively abusive family member - no exceptions. It's very easy to say you don't forgive when you're the outsider, but when you've literally known nothing else for most or all of your life, it is so hard to keep that energy up. I wish her children freedom. I wish them peace. And I hope they find justice.

[@angelofdusk13]

As an Exmormon and victim of parental abuse, I worry that the kids won't be able to heal in their current environment. The Mormon culture has a huge emphasis on family, to the point that you're expected to endure abuse to keep the family together. I was told (AS A CHILD) that I had to forgive my abusers (my parents), or I WOULD BE JUST AS BAD AS THEY WERE. There's literally a book written by a previous prophet called "The Miracle of Forgiveness," which instructs abuse victims to consider "their role in the abuse" and repent for it. These kids will be pressured by family and their church to forgive their mother before they are ready (if they are EVER ready), and be told that God condemns them for not doing so, that they are being not Christlike by choosing not to forgive, and that they must repent from their (JUSTIFIABLE) anger toward an authority figure who should've protected them. I don't think they'll be able to process their grief, pain, and anger in a healthy way until they're out of the church.

[@nouriaatangana5241]

Facts 👏

[@LouiseMoreau-dk3ox]

ALL religions are bad and should be banned.

[@colbyreader]

Speaking of your first sponsor, I have been a big obsessed with cooking fever as well. I don’t like most mobile games but this one I do and also Design Home which lets you design rooms and over time design your own houses which is really fun. You rate each others rooms and it feels so good to get a 5 stars because you know a lot of people appreciated the thought you put into it. It’s also playable without spending money and the ads are not in your face.

[@whatscookingoodlookin1]

cool, lol

[@kymfrancis4612]

I’m a retired psychologist, I specialised in positive behaviour support with children & adolescents, I have worked in child safety & this horrendous Ruby Franke & Jodi Hildebrandt situation has broken my heart. I cry every time I hear Ruby’s neighbour’s phone call - that man will be haunted by what he witnessed that day when he supported Russell to get police assistance & I commend him for his compassion & empathy to that beautiful boy😪

[@FarhatC28]

I think that statement from Jennifer Franke is so gross. What does she mean "what happened to her [Ruby's] children". What happened to them? These aren't random forces. Ruby pleaded guilty, she is sitting there in the courtroom saying 'I did this to my kids' and the family is still so detached from the actions. Say it like it is: Ruby Franke stood before the court to plead guilty to what SHE DID to her children.

[@Fadingroses19]

I'm in Salt Lake. I cannot even think of doing this to my only baby girl. This has always been abuse and what gets me is how the hell is Kevin off scot free? He KNEW, the police knew and yet here we are. How!? God, I hope these kids get all the love and support they need. Swoop, this isn't fair at all. I pray to God justice is served 😢

[@hootax8980]

I feel sick thinking of doing that stuff to anyone. How detached was Ruby from any sort of empathy that she tortured her children and felt justified???

[@marymaclaren9553]

Another great video, Swoop. Thank you for the shout out for Jordan & Mckay. Being ex-mormons, from Utah and Jordan being a LCSW, their insights pertaining to all things Franke are incredibly enlightening and thorough. Even details that are seemingly small, like how hot it gets where the kids were being subjected to the incidents outlined in the charges. I highly recommend their channel.

[@mybeautyfilledlife]

So glad she and Jodi are finally having to take accountability (not sure if that's the right word) and justice is being served 🙌🏽 the whole "distortion" idea (and the rest of those beliefs) are unhinged and I hope they won't be able to hurt anyone anymore (especially her children)!! Thank you for following up on this case 💜

[@Miss_ESL]

13:51 - I'm a linguistics major, a 17 year veteran language teacher, and fluency examiner for Cambridge University. *ALL* words re "made up" that is the point, we apply an agreed collection of phonemes to define items/people/places in order to communicatee and they are. all. made. up. It's why we have different languages. Saying something is a "made up word" is correct but that's literally the point o words and doesn't devalue them in any way at all, language is constantly evolving. Also, thank you Swoop for this Doc. I have been waiting (not so) patiently for weeks for this!!! I'm so glad she is getting rea repercussions for her abuse and it just proves that CCs like yourself are so important because you shine a light on cases that MSM don't have a clue about until it's too late.

[@christiannaroberts3013]

My problem is as soon as Swoop drops a new doc, I gotta watch the whole thing immediately. Then I gotta go through Swoop Withdrawl. Glad you're feeling better and can't wait for this year's content!!❤

[@buffydangel5843]

I am so glad you dropped this. I found your channel summer, 2023. I have binged all your episodes and last week I realized I haven’t seen anything from you and had to go back and watch a few of my favs to get my Swoop fill! Can’t wait to listen as your content, is always so complete and thoughtful. Thank you!😊

[@lightishredgummi]

49:35 my thing is, even under the assumption that they COULD completely rehabilitate and no longer pose any risk (which I would still like to believe is possible, although improbable), I don't believe that anyone who has completely rehabilitated after having done what Franke has, would every willingly have a vulnerable person in their care again. If she claims that she has changed "enough," and tries to take care of kids again, then *_no she has not._* she should have no desire to be in charge of any child if she ever truly changes.

[@dinosaysrawr]

Agreed. Ruby Franke would need to confront some pretty painful and ugly stuff within herself and her personal history in order to truly and genuinely appreciate the gravity and meaning of her own actions and the profound harm she's caused. As it stands, I worry that at worst, she merely feels shame and regret that she was caught, and at best, she thinks that the problem was with the tactics she employed with her kids, and not with the toxic emotions, beliefs, motives, and philosophy that informed those tactics. Ruby Franke *might* theoretically be capable of this necessary reflection and change---but, whether she'll ever actually seize that latent potential is another story, and she'd need to start by not just trying to pass the buck o' blame to Jodi Hildebrandt. My gut read of Jodi Hildebrandt is that she's characterologically incapable of genuine compassion, self-reflection, and remorse, and that she'll go to her grave seething about everyone else's "distortions."

[@The_Slammy_Jammy]

amen

[@waistedwitch3334]

This story hits close to home, I was raised very similarly to those kids, I love that you covered it

[@tiny44420]

That’s really sad, I hope you’re doing okay

[@waistedwitch3334]

@@tiny44420 I am thank you, it's been a long road but healing is possible 🥰

[@brooklynnbailey4356]

Some of the abuse was very similar to how I was treated too & these women really make me sick 🤢

[@starrycharacter]

I hope that you and everyone else who is in a similar situation can find healing genuinely I hope that you are met with kindness wherever you go

[@Wiki-qd5ni]

Same here!! Every once in a while I start thinking that my childhood wasn't that bad and I feel like I should be okay by now, but when the 8 passengers story started getting big I realized how effed up my childhood actually was

[@nomadrlh889]

Thanks Swoop for your videos. This case has deeply upset me because I have spent my career trying to protect children and I am a member of the same church these ladies belong and it is faith-shattering at best. Thank you for keeping it real. You have said alot of the things I want to say to those ladies. Hope your day is wonder filled with good vibes :)

[@hootax8980]

I grew up in the church and, while I'm not as active now, understand what you're saying. People from every walk of life can turn into an abuser and it's heartbreaking. I have my own relationship with the faith now. Just try to protect the kids you can.

[@kathieprater2431]

When it comes to factual, informative deep dives into disturbing individuals and behavior, you, Dear Swoop, are without equal! I just love your channel and eagerly await each episode. I subbed to your second channel too! Thank you for everything that you and your team uncover and report on! God bless you!

[@jubileechambers2604]

I would say I'm glad to be back here watching another Swoop doc but considering the content in this is probably fairly dark I'll just say that I'm glad to be informed again by Swoops amazing self.

[@hotwheels1909]

Just want to say I love your works and it is inspired me to include some of the things that you talk about it's part of my works emotional well-being practitioner it's awesome and I love the light that you shine on trauma and it's impact

[@PettyUniversity]

That is so truly lovely to hear! Thank you for the work you're doing to bring support to emotional / mental health!

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

​@@PettyUniversitylove your content 😊😊😊😊❤❤❤❤

[@starrycharacter]

​@@PettyUniversityfrom the bottom of my heart thank you for always giving the victims A voice and for never handling something genuinely traumatic as just "drama"

[@alyr7443]

The lack of accountability these people take is seriously appalling. 😒 Thank you, Swoop, for all the work you do and continuing to call these people out of the dark.

[@TJ-wz3tt]

They are living in DISTORTION

[@HelBent_official]

Absolutely amazing video once again, swoop! Thank you for covering this case! 🖤 You are truly an inspiration! The way you talk, you're always respectful, and you do insane amount of research! I know from my own experience it's not easy and it takes a lot of time! Your production is out of this world! Just wow! 👏

[@chrisgreek4285]

Wow! I just stumbled onto your channel and this was a heck of an intro. First of all, thank you for doing the heavy lifting in this case by reading the transcripts so we aren’t exposed to the deranged horrors heaped upon those poor children. I hope you are taking care of yourself; please don’t forget that you need to protect your own well being. PS: on a completely frivolous note, I am in awe of your eye makeup; in my mind, I can see me rocking that look, but I am guessing that my teen-aged grandchildren would probably think differently! LOL

[@Ajae78]

Yay! A new year and a new Swoop video! I was really surprised when Ruby and Jodi took plea deals. I’m gonna venture they did this because they didn’t want more horrific details to emerge during a trial. Also, it seems like Ruby and Jodi being separated in jail caused the spell to break between them. I’m still of the mind that they were in a brainwashy romantic relationship. I’m not saying that to be scandalous. Just going by the videos where Ruby was gazing adoringly at Jodi. And that ex husband! That dude needs to be in prison too! We all know he abused those kids too.

[@kimberlyelliott7933]

I totally agree!!! 💯

[@ngarcia103]

Their sentencings are scheduled half an hour apart, if I remember correctly. (Both February 20, Ruby at 10:00 AM, Jodi at 10:30) If I do remember correctly, I'm hoping they don't get to see each other.

[@Zal1810]

I think they shortened the jail time by pleading guilty, they are just serving for some charges, not all of them. If they were going to trial they would probably get like 15 years each. They are not feeling guilty, they just did what was best for them (not for the children, as that clown of ruby said just to appear as a victim)

[@TheRealTomLauda]

Sadly, being very young when enduring abuse doesn't allow you to bounce back quicker. In fact, it's the opposite: your trauma will be buried deeper in your mind, and therefore will be way harder to overcome. Ask me how i know... (Love your docs, btw)

[@helyns1416]

I was thinking the same thing...Their brains developed in the trauma. I just hope that all the money their exploitation brought in can be used to provide them with the intensive and lifelong treatment they probably will need.

[@pettykittyfam]

Exactly Heartbreaking 💔 I pray for those kids 🙏

[@transsnack]

There's a good book on the topic. "The Body keeps the Score".

[@t3hwaddledee]

Yeah…there are interesting studies on the shit that’s common in kids that were abused or went through something traumatic. I have nightmares and flashbacks to the things that happened decades ago…that I finally asked parents about recently and got told that “if” a particular bad memory happened (the one I have the most nightmares about), I “must have done something to deserve it”. I’ve definitely had a backslide in my health since then. 😞

[@just1desi]

@@t3hwaddledee wow. I hope you get away from them soon because that is callous

[@missspell4897]

The smile towards her family and her face when they’re talking about her case infuriated me. I know I’m harsh, especially on people who hurt children, but she’s not even ashamed. If I hurt my child and I saw my family I probably wouldn’t be able to look at them. And Kevin… The best case scenario for him is that he abandoned and neglected his children. He doesn’t need to get them back. Or the sisters!!! They’ll adopt them and put Rubys kids in their vlogs and document “their journey in recovery” or whatever bs.

[@Halloween111]

I'm sure some of her fellow guests of the state will remove the smile.

[@missspell4897]

@@Halloween111 let’s hope. And she probably will never feel the pain her children went through which is sad.

[@ayeeeerin4999]

Yesss swwoop always a better day with you here! 💖💗 thank you for all the love, validation, and healing you being to us. Hope you are well. I’m excited for this video from you. I’ve been looking forward to hearing your take on the situation. Love you swoop 💕