The END of 8 Passengers Mom Ruby Franke: She Has ALWAYS Been This Way | UPDATES on the Downfall

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Swoop! It is just so dang exciting to see you get all this recognition from mainstream media. Your work speaks for itself but I will speak too and say you so deserve it!

[@omahahooker708]

The media has been trained to sight there sources for law purposes that's it

[@maciahm7481]

⁠@@omahahooker708true, they have to cite their sources….. but they chose Swoop’s journalism as their source, so that speaks for itself. She’s not the only person who has cover 8 passengers. They chose Swoop and her team on purpose.

[@KIKI4444]

@@omahahooker708they cited her as a source, yes. They also pointed out that Swoop has been following this case for over a year and saw danger.

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@@maciahm7481- Exactly. No one works harder on their videos, and no one deserves to be cited for their excellent coverage more than Swoop.

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[@mandybarry5071]

I seen a clip of Ruby saying her youngest daughter was obeying all the rules and was eager to please them. she then decided that was manipulative because her daughter was just doing the right things in order not to get in trouble not because she wanted to do the right things and she punished her for being a manipulator. THAT is terrifying

[@kathieprater2431]

Damned if you do, damned if you dont.

[@rrrryno]

my childhood wasn't nearly half as fucked up, and I've still spent decades unlearning and reforming old thought patterns... I hope these kids quickly get the help they need recovering from THIS level of fucked up 😭 I'm so glad they're finally getting justice

[@snicksabea]

Ppl like her have no boundaries.

[@EveningTV]

Wow! Talk about psychological abuse! What a mind F!!

[@crimsonshadow1649]

She's psychotic

[@jareds5928]

It honestly makes me so sick to hear Ruby’s sisters act more outraged at what Ruby’s actions have done to THEM more than any outrage at how her children were abused. Really tells you all you need to know about this entire family.

[@kindapoopedmypants]

That made me so mad

[@sarahaccongio4237]

Period

[@therealJamieJoy]

All narcissists!!!

[@fishndchick2228]

Agreed. It's all woe is me me me me. Meanwhile no one is talking about what they are effectively doing to help the poor kids...

[@therealJamieJoy]

Neither even mentioned concern for the children, only a concern about their own reputation. It's sickening. That whole family seems disturbed.

[@Nachocuppajo]

When she said “maybe you can rebrand yourself from 8 passengers to 2 prisoners” I lost it 😂😂😂

[@lesliekupchanko5001]

Yes, Swoop is a chuckle sometimes. "Funny but not funny" I almost feel guilty laughing out loud those moments. But I've come to conclude that, although the true hurts, the truth is funny at times as well.

[@brooklynnbailey4356]

Fr tho 😂😂😂

[@audreym3908]

What time?

[@burgersintheruemorgue]

OMG that SENT me

[@monochromeartist]

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[@StonedHunter]

I just wanna say I really respect that reporter who interviewed you and started with "what have I missed". That kind of acknowledgement is something that's desperately needed from mainstream media about a lot of issues and it's refreshing to see.

[@MellowJelly]

that lady is a great reporter!

[@dena81]

Such a great point! Especially as I've always noticed MSM is usually months behind the True crime community. There have been so many times my mom will tell me about hearing info from the news that I had told her about 3 months prior. And some will acknowledge true crime KZbinrs but many do not and don't even mention the actual sleuthing the internet does on these cases. So it's seriously refreshing that they are acknowledging and giving them a larger platform to share info

[@RustyClumps]

Yes, I thought that was great. The story is about a new media KZbinr… so they reached out to Swoop, also a new media KZbinr who had previously researched this topic. Especially nice to see after how legacy media handled Colleen Ballinger.

[@alim.9801]

I agree, that's a great point. Much better than news people acting (falsely) like they're caught up with every story. I mean honestly, they're all human so i think it would foster more trust and believability if they admitted honestly when they aren't completely caught up on each story yknow

[@Akursedtime]

Ruby blaming her son for HER mistakes is horrific. I don't think she ever, truly wanted to be a mother. She liked the aesthetics and the concept of it.

[@justkiddin84]

The money. And the expectation of her ‘religion’ is that she have as many children as possible. Be thin. Be blond. I am not excusing her and IMO her husband’s horrible behavior. But those unrealistic pressures, combined with her negative toxic personality resulted in this. There was an 8 Pass video of her and Kevin discussing that she did not want to have those last two kids, and he pressured her to do it.

[@rinwhittney5039]

she's 100% the type of mom who had kids expecting little mini hers that'd do whatever she said and always agree with her, and not actual living people with thoughts and feelings

[@Angelface11]

Well actually I will tell you that narcissists typically like having children they're not nice to them they usually don't take very good care of them but they just like to have somebody to worship them and have somebody to have control and power over so actually she does want to be a mom probably just an abusive mom unfortunately. Narcissist take great pleasure and having children generally and sadly

[@amberinthemist7912]

She was forced to by her "church".

[@hanni38390]

It's forever etched in my mind how she threw a fit over her 4-year old girl asking what movie they were going to see when she asked if she wanted to go. The confusion and horror in that little girl's eyes... Ruby always assumes the worst of her kids and absolutely loathes them.

[@NearsightedNarhwal]

I love hearing Swoop tear into someone for being the worst, most horrendous person just to end it with “….Allegedly.”

[@shilohhhh]

fr she’s so funny for that 😭

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Swoop is not as intelligent as you may think. She has no real understanding of the legal system and in this video it shows. Just because you like her does not mean she is giving you good information!

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@@BruceWayne-s1u well, then elaborate on what is good information instead.

[@curlyKTJLuvsWatermelon]

@@BruceWayne-s1u Funny how mainstream has been interviewing her because of her deep dive. I know msm aren’t great, but there were plenty of sources they could’ve gone to and you don’t get paid for these interviews!

[@poble]

@@BruceWayne-s1u…allegedly.

[@mckennasmyth1143]

The sister doesn't shed a tear when talking about the kids, but starts sobbing when she talks about the negative publicity. Sounds like narcissism runs in their family?

[@GrimlyYours]

💯💯💯

[@kjla98]

Yeah I definitely have a weird feeling about the sister

[@Picassostrash]

I watched them growing up. A lot of people called her out for snitching on her siblings and getting them in trouble while also calling her a Karen in the making. I truly believed she did all that to survive and get out

[@Mscalberts]

Exactly! I have been following this story from Ruby's arrest and neither sister seems concerned about the kids at all!

[@simplydanlrene4276]

@mckennasmyth1143 I personally wish the sisters would stop talking. To me it has started to feel like they are doing it to get people on their pages to make money.

[@strawberryskygirl44]

Ruby Franke will not only go down as one of the WORST parents in history... but she'll also be remembered for trying to blame her children for where SHE ended up and that's just sad 💔

[@TiffWaffles]

The fact that she accused at least one of her children of something really terrible that could be carried with that child for the rest of their lives is disgusting. She's definitely the worst. I haven't been keeping up with the Ruby Franke case, but I have heard bits and pieces of it. I have the feeling that the horrors committed by this 'mother' go a lot deeper than what we've learned now.

[@t_ylr]

Any story like this is bad. Let alone when it's with kids, but something about parents doing this stuff to their own kids really gets to me. Like I don't know if I want to cry or if I want to fight tbh

[@apinchofdisappointment]

Don’t forget their pos father who tried to falsely frame his own daughter for burglary which she never committed, amongst the other horrible things he’s done

[@kaatjeeeckhout8352]

Ruby Franke is a very bad parent and women but not even close to 'the worst parent in history'. I've seen so many cases of parents killing their children that this case does not come near to those cases. This being said, this woman is a true narcissist and evil woman, not the forget daddy Kevin, who is equally evil...🤮

[@spiceupyourafterlife]

That's what breaks my heart about all this. The fact that she continuously blames her children is both disgusting and horrifying to me.

[@Alliecatlives]

Hey swoop. I'm a 2013 diamond ranch academy student. They were all over the news in 2022 for the passing of Taylor Goodridges. But in 2013 a boy passed away, we suffered massive abuse and our suits are hitting dead ends. For years police in the area ignored police reports filed by the children escaping that school. Because of this being ignored and our voices being silented alot of us fell out of the statute of limitations. I can get you in touch with other survivors and the group unsilenced. Please help by covering the nightmare of diamond ranch academy, and spread light on the troubled teen industry in Utah! Literally 20 minutes from saint George. We just got a case opened with dopl (department of provider licensing for utah) against the "doctor " I mean physicians assistant we were told was a doctor. For his purity/gyno exam checks from ages 12-18.

[@Kimmiejoy88]

I wish there was a way that I can help push this comment!

[@remi-chan4317]

you have my support I hope your comments gets read by more people too.

[@Alliecatlives]

@@remi-chan4317 thank you

[@rebecculousrk]

This is a topic rich with material for a Swoop doc. This program, The Diamond Ranch Academy, and others like it, have profited from the pain of families struggling with their teenage children while simultaneously causing emotional and sometimes physical harm on those children. Kids have suffered and even died in these exploitive and abusive programs which exploded in popularity in the 80’s and some continue to this day. Often promoted with inflated claims of experience and qualifications, many of these programs are owned or operated by shady operators who are clearly interested in making money, and to that end sometimes extend the duration of the ‘patient’s’ stay to increase the bill, and other shady practices.

[@Alliecatlives]

@@rebecculousrk actually they target poor with payment plans and keep you in, even filing for the state to help pay. They run a few teen programs if I remember correctly. Our voices got them shut down, but because of the police not following up on the gender bias crimes we all fell out of statute of limitations. Denise Mitchell (Saint George Utah) is still practicing, he forced girls 12-18 into feminine exams

[@lisaa7011]

“I’m so mad because it makes me look bad” not mad that children were abused, just mad about how it makes her look. 😡

[@belovedwinter]

Fully agree!! THIS bothered me SO MUCH. The whole "I'm so upset with how this makes our family look" Disgusting. Yeah, YOU'RE the victim, lady... sure.

[@CARPETMAN6666]

And then she says that they kept quiet for years but then says that they didn't know anything was going on. Then why would you have to keep quiet. When people tell others that they need to shut up or people feel like they can't say anything it's because someone is a perpetrator and they don't want others to find out. This is how you know that she knew.

[@rodiebakpa9368]

Swear down, these women should never ever let out of jail.

[@TheKsourmoon]

Some abuses she didnt mention so far.. Franke refused to wake up her TODDLER for daycare. Her. Four. Year. Old, was expected to wake up on her own, get dressed, ready, make lunch and take herself to daycare.

[@justawaitress8421]

I can see why her daughter prayed she would survive.

[@TheKsourmoon]

@justawaitress8421 imagine being denied dinner over small mistakes, being told if you can't make your own lunch you deserve to starve and having to be 2 maybe 3 and rely on your siblings to feed you because your parents view food as a privilege...that was NORMAL in their household.

[@gacktist00]

@@TheKsourmoonAnd they use their kids for money!!! all the money for kids are basically earned by the kids.. they exposed their children's whole life on the internet and refused to spent the money for kids...

[@ultimategameredits]

I dislike kids but that poor child 💔

[@徐茗]

And when the kids were sick, she made them sleep on the bathroom floor so they don’t dirty the bedroom by vomiting. Also when the daughter wetted the bed, she made the daughter go sleep on the bathroom floor

[@imcherylynn]

“From 8 Passengers to 2 Prisoners” was spectacular. Swoop and team, thank you for all that you do!

[@VoidBoiStar]

Yeah that floored me. 🤣🤣

[@SanjaSleipnir]

Im at work listening to this doc and I was laughing so loudly my colleagues thought there something wrong with me 💀

[@TheFrkSofa]

I don't often laugh out loud watching YT videos, but I woke my dog with this one 😂

[@Nora-xk5tf]

I am catching up on this tragedy. Your comment had me LOLOL for 5 Min. Thanks 4 u r humor.

[@Brooklyntrash]

When the neighbor broke down while describing the Franke boy’s condition to the police, it told me all I needed to know. Hearing the call the man made to the police in its entirety still haunts me. Ruby and that monster who dares to call herself a therapist both need prison time - years of it.

[@OrlenNSophia]

That call, we can only imagen the state the child was in.

[@hurri-db]

It breaks me because it's just so refreshing to see an adult who had NO VESTED INTEREST in the situation give an actual fuck. And like. It's so rare. I hope he's doing okay.

[@Kyrriie]

Got me feeling like watching good will hunting... such a good movie about trauma written by such young kids. Robin Williams famous 'it's not your fault' scene never ever fails to make me cry, same with the scene of him breaking down with minnie driver. The acting is just... so real

[@kimberlypullen7468]

Hearing that child say "everything that happened to him is his fault" is what broke me.

[@aleey_yo]

Swoop, you and your team are so incredible. It's not drama, it's dangerous and Ruby Franke is proof of this.

[@vintagearisen]

Using cayenne pepper to dress wounds is a level of sadistic depravity that's just unbelievably cruel.

[@justawaitress8421]

Indeed That poor boy... And any others subjected to that "treatment". Raw honey is good enough. To add cayenne to a skin wound knowing how bad that will hurt, especially on a child is ....☠️😈 I doubt she'd ever use that treatment on herself.

[@EmoLozer500]

Knowing how Jodi abused her nibbling, I fully believe that was part of their "punishment". That the wounds from being tied down was their fault. If they weren't so impure, then she wouldn't have to tie them down to save them from the devil. The pain that comes with putting cayenne pepper in their wounds is a reminder of their sin, and reminder of how impure they are. That they deserve punishment. That seems to be her pathology in abusing these kids. It's not just horrific physical abuse, it's the mental, and spiritual abuse that makes these kids genuinely believe they deserve to be in pain. They don't need to heal physically, they need to heal their soul then they won't be in pain anymore. It'd make my spine shiver if it didn't make me so damn pissed off.

[@Patricia-_-.-_0220]

OMG HORRIBLE

[@justawaitress8421]

@@EmoLozer500 indeed. The spiritual abuse is .... equally if not more egregious. What must these children now think of the loving Heavenly Father? 💔🤬 What that boy and others endured....I pray it only strengthens them instead of breaks them 🙏 Evil is real.

[@turnerification123]

That is cruel !

[@maddijones7223]

When her son is confessing to not have a bedroom for months and Ruby gives that smile it makes me feel physically ill as my family would say that is a shit-eating grin. She sits there so proud of her actions of abuse I hope she gets the maximum and Kevin goes down with her.

[@nicanonymus2491]

Right? She was so proud of herself! Kevin was complicit in the vlogs and was also a member of Connexions. I hope he doesn’t get away with this. He accused HIS OWN daughter of burglary! Disgusting parents! 😤

[@LiLLaLa707]

Same.. beyond grotesque

[@AmbassadorKat]

1:04:50 Just to clarify, Adam did NOT have any actual sex addiction or issues with “impure thoughts.” He would occasionally masturbate and enjoy a completely normal and healthy adult sex life. These behaviours were weaponised by Jodi and used to gaslight him and his ex-wife into believing he was a dangerous sexual deviant, and a danger to his family. I encourage ppl to seek out interviews with Adam to get more info on the horrible abuse he experienced through Jodi and Connexions. The podcast “Some Place Under Neith” has a recent episode that is a very comprehensive overview.

[@cady__]

Ruby and Jodi are Mormons , and that ‘religion’ teaches people that masturbation is an extreme sin. Those poor kids having to suffer for their extreme stupidity is so sad

[@FIRING_BLIND]

The Mormon Stories Podcast interviewed him as well.

[@UptownA504]

Is Adam one of her kids?

[@mecha5409]

When I heard Jodi was a porn addiction therapist I was immediately suspicious. Since I know within Mormonism sex/porn addiction are terms thrown around for healthy sexual activity.

[@AmbassadorKat]

@@FIRING_BLIND they did but they had to take the interview down for legal reasons. It’s not on their channel anymore but maybe someone reuploaded it somewhere. That’s the reason I suggested the podcast though, since the original interview is no longer available but the SPUN podcast goes over everything he says in it in good detail.

[@silver_crone]

Your validations throughout this doc -- 'it's not your fault', ' you are valid, you're not crazy, and your feelings matter. Period.' -- brought me to tears. Including the signs of isolation by an abuser throughout, is a big reminder for me how often survivors not only blame ourselves, but go on to minimize what happened and how we feel about it decades later. Thank you Swoop. For the research, for speaking out, for always including genuine empathy and thoughtfulness in your docs. It means the world.

[@kuscheltierdesteufels2451]

It gets me every time and sometimes I need to skip it. I'd like to find a good sound byte of her saying just that bit, so I can go to it when I need to hear it and share it to others that may need to hear it

[@Sarah-mu3bv]

Hh

[@SUZSMITH]

I will never understand why someone like me who struggled for years to have children, I have one child by the way, and lost nine in utero, and then there are people like Ruby Frankie, who have everything in the world, and not only do they not appreciate it, but they destroy it. I’m sending nothing but love to these children and I wish that I could help.

[@TheKrispyfort]

You don't understand because you experience the Just World Fallacy. The idea that good things should only happen to good people and that good people should only ever have good experiences. Unfortunately, as The Ex would say, Evil people have kids too. As one also with Rainbow Babies, I am sorry for your losses Honour all children ever conceived by being an honest and genuine loving parent to your living child. And when you see something please say something

[@charissesainty4854]

​@TheKrispyfort this is soo revolting,look where these kids were living isolated from friends and family. There's nothing there just rocky mountains those poor kids, Ruby and J.H. are in a relationship,sick on each other' .kids could've have ended up dead. That's where it was heading for sure. J.H.knew that the dippy Ruby would be available in good time,ie look at vid Rub is in a red top and looks at J.H.very telling who's doing who! Her dress started to become less girly and ole J.H became more feminine.😮

[@fromlissawithlove]

Completely align with the aforementioned comment, I am right there with you ❤️. I went through therapy to heal trauma from my CSA and DV so that I wouldn’t pass any of that trauma to my children. Yet I suffered two back to back miscarriages in the year of our pandemic terrorist 2020. It’s almost 2024, and I’m changing the Universe interest, so I’m owed six healthy babies at this point. If these toxic incubators like Ruby can have children, dammit I’m owed a whole tribe after that traumatizing experience. And so are you and all of the women who understand, innerstand and overstand what it takes to be a MOTHER and are still awaiting their rainbow connection 🌈 💕

[@maddydavidsdottir9862]

Yup. I had to spend nearly 2 decades accepting that I am childfree and I lost my twins and countless unborns and then there's people like this who are blessed with multiple children. Im happy now, I've accepted my infertility and I'm content being childfree BUT i'd give anything to have my twins back and my husband and i, while again, being happy and content being childfree now we would give anything to have not lost our 3 in utero but the gods grant this narcissistic sociopath with children?! make it make sense.

[@JoshSweetvale]

Maybe, if Trump is President again, flee America. Just to be safe.

[@tegantalks9612]

Parents like Ruby are actually one of the reasons my sons grade 1 teacher keeps extra food in her classroom and offers the kids fruit slices when they come in in the morning.

[@samanthaM7119]

Teachers like her are treasures

[@sm0kelikeahehim]

can we talk about how insane it is to expect your 6 year old child to pack her own lunch too???

[@tegantalks9612]

@@sm0kelikeahehim yeah, that’s absolutely crazy. Like I trust my son to grab a couple snacks out of the cupboard, but my husband helps him and ensures it’s actually in his bag.

[@justkiddin84]

And it’s so wrong, because we woefully underpay teachers.

[@remi-chan4317]

Teachers like that should get an award, I think it’s so irresponsible to just expect your kid to look after themselves because the parents obviously don’t want to take care of them. I mean most adults sometimes don’t take proper care of themselves so just expecting your 6 YEAR OLD KID to do it is crazy to me. Also ruby is basically complaining to her followers that it annoys her that she has to even hear the teacher’s concerns about her child being hungry, that is essentially what she’s doing, you don’t pull out a phone and press record if you didn’t feel wronged and had the urge to vent. I firmly believe that she would not have worded it as being ‘uncomfortable’ for the teacher if she truly cared, and like tf ‘I should bring her food to ease her discomfort ?!?!?’ I think it’s cruel to expect your kid to get used to the feeling of hunger when the parents obviously have to resources to feed the child and instead is upset when they don’t do all the stuff taking good care of a child would entail.

[@kirsti1822]

You saying “what you survived at the hands of others is not your fault” had me crying this morning. I’ve heard you say it before, but I’ve been struggling lately and it just hit me hard this morning!

[@alim.9801]

Hey man, im glad you heard that when/if you needed, and i hope you're doing ok and taking care of yourself 💜 don't wanna get all in your business or anything, just hope you're hanging in there my friend

[@xtaintedx3l0vex]

me too 🥲

[@nancybradberry3770]

🩵💜🩵

[@sm0kelikeahehim]

idk if you need to hear it but i’m proud of you!! you’ve come so far and accomplished so much and you should be proud of yourself too!!!

[@justkiddin84]

🩵💙🩷❤️

[@AcaMaca1984]

The reason she made those allegations against her son is to take the focus off of her, isolate him, and also separate the children. This is her final act of abuse towards them by denying them the comfort and support of each other. She’s sick beyond help.

[@eevesjunkyard]

What bothers me the most about Rubys sisters videos/ statement is the fact that they claim not to know about the abuse taking place as if Ruby wasn’t blasting it on the internet to be seen by millions. How is it that the public could see the abuse her own sisters couldn’t?? They wanted to “protect the kids” but allowed them to be abused publicly for YEARS. If they were actually protecting the kids they would have stepped in more than 3 years ago.

[@AAAforshort]

I honestly believe that they didn't see the abuse that was online and public as actual abuse, or not 'bad enough' with the way they were raised I wouldn't be surprised they see some things as normal, which is worrisome with them all being parents themselves

[@HiddenDarkHM]

And I'm sorry as someone who was a badly aboosed chilled (censored for youtube, my apologies), their whole "we didn't report it to PROTECT the children" excuse DOES NOT CUT IT. Those kids will not look back in ten years and be like "Gee thanks so much, auntie for not telling the authorities and potentially getting us taken away from the people hurting us, you REALLY helped us out by keeping us in that horrible situation with no hope or recourse." It is a cop-out, it is an excuse, it is a LIE, and I DO NOT FORGIVE IT and I NEVER WILL. I don't forgive the people from my childhood that said that and I don't forgive them.

[@jillianj310]

@@AAAforshortthis is what I think as well. They may not have agreed with their choices parenting but it was within the realm of “normal” for their circles. And honestly, I don’t think it escalated to a point where they would have stepped in until Ruby cut them out. And at that point they didn’t have anything to go on until Shari stepped away from the family and reconnected with the sisters. And even then, we don’t know what she told them, or if she asked them to not interfere because she was actively trying to help the kids… we won’t know until it’s made public. That said, I do worry about the way the sisters are handling it. Bonnie in particular, she has had her own issues throughout the years as well. I don’t follow any of them anymore, but have watched Ellie’s video addressing but not addressing it. And she does seem really upset about it all and doesn’t seem to want to talk about it publicly.

[@yungmilf]

its because they follow some of the same parenting . Its absolutely awful, watched the bonnie sister do blanket training with her toddlers. And she literally admits to some of the SAME SHITS RUBY did

[@dianealarcon8304]

I’d like to know- When was the last time you saw the two youngest children, before they were rescued?!! Who were you trying to protect the children from?? Surely, not your disconnected, Torturer of a sister! Sounds like they were more worried over the fall-out and the shame her actions would bring on her siblings/parents!! Children are disposable for these people, time for a wake-up call.

[@selunescorpio]

Being the child of a parent like Ruby is one of the most psychologically damaging things a human being could go through. Nothing but love for these kids who deserve so much better than what they’ve been made to endure❤️

[@COSMICCANDYSTAR]

Sending you tons of love. You are a beautiful soul that is here to give courage & strength to others

[@MzMarvelous]

❤ nothing but love and light for the kids AND for you. I relate - this Ruby's Franke scandal is uncovering a lot that hits close to home. I definitely didn't have it as rough but enough to have me rethinking my childhood. I think those kids, you, myself, and every other human could benefit from our species evolving past abusing our children. All we can do is break the cycle. ❤ Sending love and positivity your way!! ❤

[@Thatsokayiwaswrong]

This case has been so chilling to me because my cousins mom was very similar to Ruby and she just died of an overdose at 24 years old. I will always blame her mother.

[@MzMarvelous]

@thatsokay1701 I can't imagine if that happened to my cousin and then having to lose her like that. I'm sure you must be struggling considering the volume of content flooding social media. I heard Jodi's neice's interview (it was autoplaying), and it had me super inside myself for a few days. I can see why you blame her mother still.

[@AnimationNerdGirl]

Thank God she was finally arrested! I really hope those kids find the peace and happiness they deserve. Thank you for covering this topic Swoop!

[@julianarodriguex899]

No, thank good caring people, not the church in Utah who endorses many jodi hildebrants and even worse predators in gods name

[@AnimationNerdGirl]

@julianarodriguex899 Okay yes, obviously good, kind people were involved in aiding those children, but "Thank God" is just a saying, like saying "Thank Goodness" or something. I wasn't trying to invoke religion, just relief for the children.

[@julianarodriguex899]

@@AnimationNerdGirl we good then ty girl ❤️

[@Jazminishungry]

It’s so scary that it took so long for those kids to be saved. I’ve been hearing about this moms abusive behavior for years.

[@JordanDragonAs]

Kevin was apart of the abuse

[@amethyst5512]

Kevin definitely doesn’t deserve to have custody of his children. He can claim not to know all he wants but it actually doesn’t matter. His abandoned his children & wasn’t there to protect them. And if he had been around, I’m not so sure he would’ve stopped it because he signed off on so many extreme punishments Ruby dished out while he was around.

[@ngarcia103]

I've been saying on other videos about this family... even if he didn't know what was going on for the 13 months that he was separated from the rest of the family, what excuse does he have for the several years before that?

[@mirandac.k.4888]

He failed those kids. Your not going to check on them for a year??? Nonyou made your choice.. rot with the wife

[@JordanDragonAs]

Update: kevin still doesn't have custody and the youngest according to their siblings don't want to go with him

[@paigeanguish6216]

@JordanDragonAs was chad not living w him or? i thought him & maybe the younger ones were w him.

[@manarcabrera2528]

I feel so bad for Adam. What Jodi did to him was pure evil. For Ruby to allow Jodi to hurt her children speaks volumes about how evil they are.

[@elisabethb.131]

Jodi's doctrine of 'sexual deviancy' puts a lot in perspective. If in Ruby's world, 'one look' qualifies as dangerous sexual behaviour, then her disgusting accusation of her son could mean absolutely nothing.

[@ElleriaZer]

I suspect he saw an underwear ad as a child and liked the pretty colors and Rubi thinks that is "watching adult content since the age of three"

[@2turg_2furious]

Also if he had actually been watching adult content at such a young age, how did he get access to that? Kids his age don’t understand what this is let alone know how to spell or use a search engine. So what adult was showing him? Personally I think it’s all lies/over exaggerating but even if it was true just another testament that rubys an awful mother

[@theohiohousewife]

Music counts as adult content. Some music counts as “korn”. I’m not even going to WAP, I’m talking the Beatles wanting to hold your hand.

[@wmdkitty]

@@theohiohousewife [facepalm] that's ridic!

[@GinArenas]

@@2turg_2furious Exactly... if that is actually true which I doubt... that is fully the parent´s fault. And besides... how does that justify her actions? If you find out that ish, you take your kid to proffesionals to get help not t*rture and keep him captive. That woman is such a disgusting human being. It takes someone specially evil to commit such acts against a kid. I hope she rots in jail and suffers forever. People who abuse kids have no redeeming qualities.

[@GruntyHerder]

I've been watching Callum Markie's 8 Passenger coverage for years and it's so sickening what this has culminated in for authorities to finally step in. The epitome of "it's not drama, it's dangerous." I hope Kevin gets what's coming to him soon as well, and I don't mean custody of the kids he participated in abusing.

[@krisdiane]

Same! He's been trying to bring attention to this for so long. I wish more creators were giving him credit for that because he's talked about them so many times.

[@ItsMuffinTimePls]

Big, big shout-outs to Markie! He's awesome even when it is just drama coverage, but when he gets into legitimately dangerous situations he's so respectful. Love him!

[@itakelly8150]

He's been doing a great job over the years.

[@kirstenornelas881]

He was kept away from those kids for thirteen months! Do you understand that it takes only a few weeks to starve a child? That father was removed from his family she took those kids to another home and hid them and tortured them.

[@ItsMuffinTimePls]

@@kirstenornelas881 Hey, just so you're aware, Kevin was part of the abuse, just not in those 13 months. He was complicit at best, and at worse a willing participant. He was there for the kindergartener not getting lunch, he was there for the bedroom confiscation, and he was there for the wilderness camp. Kevin is a piece of garbage. 13 months or not, he doesn't deserve to have those kids.

[@laurentoren]

The full interview with Jessie is so sad and eery. As a psychology grad student, it’s so scary to see someone as psychopathic as jodi trying to disguise herself as a therapist. She was literally preying on people who needed emotional assistance. So disgusting.

[@justawaitress8421]

It is.... An extreme ethical violation on the deepest level.

[@amieaiello3456]

Girl! I’m SO proud of you! Congratulations on being recognized for your fantastic work on this series! Now the world knows what so many hundreds of thousands of us have for years!

[@geeklinggirl]

As an ex-Mormon myself, I think I can provide insight into why her sisters are reacting the way they are. In my experience, a lot of Mormon families try their utmost best to appear as perfect as possible on the outside, while everything is falling apart at home. Because if you look like you’re struggling, or you look like you’re failing, that is a reflection on how “strong” your faith is. “Well, these bad things are happening because you don’t read your Book of Mormon enough. You don’t pray enough. You don’t go to church enough. You are not righteous enough.” There is such a big isolation culture within Mormonism. Not to say that everyone is like this, but there is a massive air of judgement around failure in that church. Even if you are not directly responsible for the bad things, it tarnishes the way people see you. If you are struggling, that is YOUR fault. You are letting Satan in, because you are having that human emotion that is anger, or sadness. And there is a big degree of fear involved too. Fear that because of your sister’s horrible actions, you won’t get to be with her in the afterlife. Fear that because of her, her children will fall away, and they will be lost in the afterlife too. And knowing that if you speak up, especially in a church setting, chances are you will be shut down. Mormon women are (generally) taught to be submissive, and *quiet*. Loud laughter is frowned upon. It’s unbecoming. You do not speak up if something is wrong. Because you do not have authority, especially over a man, and in this case, Kevin is also to blame here as well. My mom was abused as a child by her stepfather, and when she told the church, they silenced her because he was a leader in the church, and he faced no repercussions. The church does not stand up for abuse victims. The church enables the abusers. It’s a systemic mess, and the generational damage that I have experienced and seen SO MANY OTHERS experiencing is not going away anytime soon. So sorry for this whole situation, the whole thing is heartbreaking. I hope these kids see justice, and that they will be safe. Edit: I want it to be clear that I have met many good people who are Mormons. This is not a criticism of those people, but for the organization who enables the people who take advantage of the rules to do things like this. It’s a broken system, one that teaches and enforces harmful rhetoric.

[@RJnottheraccoon]

Thank you for being willing to share!! I appreciate your insight!

[@mamathemeat]

I was raised Mormon too but the truth is this is in every church and organization it’s really not specific to Mormons

[@mamathemeat]

@@-_-j Again, that aspect is in every religion. It’s not specific to Mormons. Whenever you feel you have a sense of community somewhere that tends to happen. The sex shame is in every religion as well.

[@justkiddin84]

Exactly! It is a high demand organization- a cult. This is cult 101- how to control your followers. And right now we are seeing, all at once, the results of that purity culture, extreme pressure, and rampant abuse.

[@bethewalt7385]

There is NO WORD in the English language *utmost, it's *UPMOST, for crying out loud kids these days are practically functional illiterates

[@Lyrical3127]

Jodi is linked to Lori Vallow Daybell, the Mormon mom who killed her two children. They both follow the teachings in a book called Visions of Glory, Mormon Stories just did a two parter on this. This story goes so much deeper than just standard family vlogging abuse. It’s good these kids were rescued in time, because they could have ended up like JJ and Tylee. Edit: the Sound of Freedom guy, Tim Ballard, is also linked to these two and Visions of Glory. It’s crazy.

[@WoodlandT]

Holy sh*T that’s terrifying

[@hagathachristie]

God, that story breaks my heart so much. This doesn't surprise me at all.

[@haintedhouse2990]

thanks for the info. so glad nobody else can be hurt by Ruby and the Hildebeast.

[@CARPETMAN6666]

From what I understand Jodi is a lesbian. And the two of them are now in a relationship. This goes a long way to understanding how in her psychology she separates the men from the women. This leaves the women unprotected in in steps guess who. Most Mormons have their head in the sand but these kind of Mormons are pure luciferians. Don't believe me look at the signs and symbols on the temples. But like I said most Mormons have no idea that this goes on in their Church.

[@TheGrmany69]

Really? the cultish witch? I must admit they both share the same energy.

[@sarahbeth0122]

GIRL, YOU ARE ON THE NEWS!!! Comes full circle with all that hardwork and determination!! Keep up the incredible work! You're using your platform in the best way possible and I think I speak for everyone when I say we are SO proud of you and your team! 🥰

[@winna4564]

I know it's old, but the clip where Ruby explains why she's not going to bring her kid lunch always gets me because she phrases raising children like a medical condition.

[@spectre9340]

also, she's so proud of being a mom but doesn't know the first thing about kids. Her daughter was FIVE years old! You can't even trust kids that age not to soil themselves or spill drinks. Why would she think it was acceptable to expect a child to remember to pack and bring her own lunch? Even grown adults forget to do stuff like that

[@CatMom-uw9jl]

@@spectre9340And to pack a healthy lunch! Little kids would live on candy if you let them!

[@zombinary3138]

Narcissist parents view their children as a disease that they can occasionally get social brownie points for, unfortunately. Social media makes that profitable, even more unfortunately.

[@KingOfGaymes]

@@spectre9340probably because she didn’t want to take care of her honestly..

[@linzbridge4495]

That gets me too! The fact that she said she hopes no one gives her food so she stays hungry? Like what mom would say that about her 6 year old????

[@fragilefleur]

Dear Swoop, I’m 57 yrs old and you have stuck out as an extremely talented and powerful woman and journalist and creative who has so much talent, insight and integrity. My introduction to your work has been more recent but I looked at early videos and found your video about your struggle with anxiety and depression. I too suffer with those exact issues and have for most of my life. I struggled with fear of not reaching my potential and knew I had big potential but gave up on myself and was consumed by my history and the impact that trauma had on my ability to have relationships and be fully and consistently functional in the face of ptsd and related ongoing depression and anxiety. I am so so thrilled to see someone with so much depth and power fight back and grasp life by the horns and kick ass offering your gifts to the world. You are a unique and gifted person and with those gifts had come hurts clearly but your ability to manage and transition to powerful is amazing. Have you done videos about this and how you grabbed and made yourself feel more capable and powerful and overcome your fears and walk into your full potential? I will def be voting for you for any creator awards and appreciate you. In looking back, I saw how much your hair was a struggle and people being weird about your absolutely gorgeous stunning natural hair. I love your blue wig but I appreciate your natural self just so much as well. You are amazing and I am proud to see a younger woman be a cool investigative journalist. Keep working. You have some energy like Lisa Ling but with some depth from what seems a darker early days experience. Your understanding makes your work that much more deeply felt and also powerful. I hate for you that you suffered/suffer but I love that you work thru it and admire your strength. Keep on making these great documentaries. 😊❤

[@rachelmccoolhelton9606]

I love how she’s reaching all age groups from all walks of life 💜

[@kaydndraper1054]

That little boy who crawled out the window to safety is so brave and courageous. I hope his life is full of happiness and counseling turn everything he needs to be happy and successful

[@meimei]

as soon as the reporter said "the eldest took a picture of the police outside the home, and wrote "finally"" i began sobbing, as i can't even think how long the older ones have wished for that day

[@khaleesireyna731]

Shari is honestly one brave, strong young woman and the fact that her parents don't see that at all should be a crime in itself. I also hope Chad is doing alright. I totally understand him just laying low, but I hope he at least is able to eventually get in contact with Shari and his other siblings (when he's ready and all of that should all be an absolutely private moment).

[@meimei]

@@khaleesireyna731 very! He's been through so much, i can only hope this helps his way in recovery, and Shari had felt for so long something had to be done for her younger siblings

[@khaleesireyna731]

@meimei yeah, I agree. It looks like Chad went in with Kevin and Shari to the most recent custody hearing, so I guess he's involved to (saw it on one of Alex's videos and he keeps pretty up-to-date with the news that comes out of the area). I heard some speculation that Chad was joining Kevin on it, but I think that that's just speculation based on all of them walking into the courthouse together. I just hope he and Shari aren't being pitted against each other for Kevin and Ruby's sake. They've all been through enough without the older adults continously acting like overgrown toddlers.

[@meimei]

@@khaleesireyna731 lets hope for the best!

[@loneleeone9122]

that 911 call gives me chills every time. that man has more empathy and love for that child then his parents ever did.

[@JoST41]

LIVING IN DISTORTION = having your own opinion or going against Jodi in any way or even asking questions. LIVING IN TRUTH = following Jodi to the letter with strict obedience even at your own demise without question

[@MyDancingShoes]

Exactly. "Honest, responsible, and humble" means "listen to Jodi and shut up."

[@WoodlandT]

Textbook cult tactics, don’t believe your mind, your instincts, your friends or anything that doesn’t come directly from the mouth of the leader. It’s an exercise in stripping away the self and with it any & all resistance. Absolute compliance is the only acceptable result

[@chloebell2209]

finally an explanation that makes sense - thank you !

[@CARPETMAN6666]

Adjust to point out something that hopefully is obvious. Somebody like this that is still able to conduct business even though she has done horrible things in the past and continues to do them. There are people in the church in the government and on the police force that are covering for her. Otherwise this would have happened sooner.

[@HiddenDarkHM]

Like every cult ever.

[@Troe76]

Poor Adam was victimized again by the courts by forcing his story to be taken down!! It was an extremely difficult interview for him and nobody has a right to silence him!!! Thanks for covering this Swoop❤

[@azlizzie]

Hopefully it will be used to put Jodi away for a very long time. I hate that he might be re-traumatized by having to relate the story again. (And that cross examination might mess him up.)

[@Troe76]

@@azlizzie I do too. That interview was gut wrenching to listen to so I can only imagine how he felt!! She’s evil

[@nah7656]

why was that? are they still in litigation with him? it might be bc they will use him as a witness and need his story to be kept from the defense, they may just not want him to speak until she has a verdict. idk if anyone can clear that up.

[@azlizzie]

@@nah7656 we probably won’t know until after the trials are all finished, if ever.

[@Troe76]

@@nah7656 no he’s not in litigation. I’m sure her attorney has something to do with silencing him

[@pffffggg]

my abuser died 10 days ago and your videos have helped me to understand the shit she put me throw during my early childhood... thank you, Swoop

[@aurea.]

I hope you heal. You are not alone, and it wasn't your fault. Take care ♡

[@curlyKTJLuvsWatermelon]

I’m sorry that was your childhood, you deserved much better and it was most definitely not your fault! ❤

[@pffffggg]

@@curlyKTJLuvsWatermelon maybe seems irrelevant, but thank you

[@curlyKTJLuvsWatermelon]

@@pffffggg Your thank you isn’t needed, but never irrelevant. Thank you for your kind response 👍

[@HiddenDarkHM]

I know I plan to get blackout drunk in celebration when mine does but it may not be the same for everyone so rather than my instinctual "congratulations", unless you do share those feelings instead please accept my, "I'm sorry for the loss of what they took from you. May your life be all the more beautiful going forward."

[@RustyClumps]

To all my fellow survivors: thank you for watching as much of this vid as you could to help honor and support these kids. May peace always find you when you need it most.

[@RainbowPyramid]

Sister is angry because it makes her look bad. What about being angry about how your nephews and nieces were abused????? 😢😢😢

[@EmoLozer500]

Yeaa.. I know a lot of people are saying things like "narcissism runs in the family". However, from a Mormon perspective, public perception is incredibly important. I've known a lot of Mormon families, and ex mormons. Unfortunately there is this idea that anything reflecting negatively on you, reflects badly on the church. Keeping a squeaky clean, "wholesome" public image is more important than anything else. Including harm towards children. When children are abused, it's supposed to be handled behind closed doors where no one can see what's happening. I know several people in Mormonism who were abused, and told to stay quiet as to not embarrass their families.. that God will heal all, and there's no reason to speak with anyone else about what happened. It's despicable.

[@jessking7737]

It truly takes a monster of a person to choose to carry a baby for 9 months, go through giving birth, and raising a tiny little baby, to then treat them with such abuse when they start thinking and feeling for themselves. Terrifying.

[@khaleesireyna731]

This is alleged, but I remember something that was discussed on Markie's channel (he's been following this for awhile now), which was that one of Ruby's sisters mentioned how Ruby has always been competitive and jealous and that (allegedly) her reason for having a 6th child was basically "our mom had 5 kids, and I'm better, so I should have 6". Again, that's alleged, but if that turns out to be true, I will be 0% surprised and I think that it tells you all you need to know about how Ruby saw her children.

[@yc1330]

in Jessi's interview they also explained how Jodi would accuse them (they were 16 at the time) for being addicted to sex and masturbation and that was her justification of the abuse (they said they didn't even know what masturbation was at that time). Jessi said that they weren't surprised by Rubi blaming her son of sexual deviancy because Jodi would do the same to them, they said that even the language used had Jodi written all over it. it seems that Jodi's influence over Ruby went as far as to manipulate her into believing that her own children were in distortion and that they needed abusive punishment in order to be treated. fucking shameful.

[@dinosaysrawr]

I'm reminded of how the leader of the 12 Tribes started regularly accusing the children in the cult of all manner of wild and deviant sex acts (e.g., bestiality), and would order children as young as five to get married if he so much as caught them *holding hands,* because he considered that a sex act. I'm also reminded of how many virulent transphobes who accused trans people of all manner of sexual violence and deviancy have themselves ultimately been revealed to be pedophiles or rapists. Every projection is a confession with these types.

[@cady__]

She’s also a Mormon and that ‘religion’ shames children and adults for masturbation.

[@yourfriendami]

So glad that bigger media is recognizing Swoop and all the important work she does to bring stories like this to light!

[@heatherbutler7635]

Girrrrl! The news is actually using you as a resource and that’s just wow. I’m so proud of you for all of your hard work and efforts 😭 I just found your channel about a month ago, but you truly are a spectacular story teller and I’m so glad I did. Congratulations for the recognition of what a great documenter that you are ❤️

[@AshendrisSilvermist]

Ruby is angry her son escaped and lead to her arrest. She's punishing him from jail with those allegations she made against him. She's showing she's still in control and reinforcing the shame she's taught him to feel. She ensured that he would be alone through this, separated from his sister and treated like a suspect. Abusors do some crazy shit to keep a stranglehold on their victims. Sadly, this is normal every day life to these kids... having been raised and dehumanized by their own mother during their developing years. This will be a lifelong struggle for them to unlearn and heal from. I wish I could help them shoulder some of the burden in some way. 💔 Edit: she claims he's had a porn addiction since he was 3 years old... 3! But yet she runs her house like a drill sergeant and controls everything they do, every device they interact with, everyone they see, where they go, when they do anything... I don't see how it's possible he got into it at such a young age. If he did, I don't see how a 3 year old would like it and want to see more, and then- he kept getting it somehow? She brags about how she ran a super tight ship with her kids. _If_ her son saw porn at 3 years old I'm betting that was due to her own irresponsibility. But I'm betting it didn't happen and she's fabricating/gross exaggerations to shame her own kids. It's how she controls them.

[@ApsaraMenaka]

I actually hope I am wrong about this, but: 3 years is around the time children have the first phase of exploring their own body. And I am afraid this absolutely normal development was seen by them as 'porn addiction'.

[@tammydee9700]

You've said exactly what I was going to say. That poor boy and how she said they never had privacy whatsoever. She's lying and I hope her son is not all alone anymore because of no proof at all. But the fact the judge believed her is fecking mind-blowing!

[@kaitlynmorgan4613]

ruby checks her kids phone texts and most likely search history (even in incognito or deleted search history as i believe theres a way to find it regardless thru hacking maybe?). i find it odd these kids would allegedly try to find p0rn considering how everything they do online is checked

[@mossymorgue]

One of the things that breaks my heart about cases like this is just how many people have faith in CPS. In an ideal world, they'd step in immediately when a child is in danger and take them to a safer home, but in real life, there are so many people I know, myself included, that have had experiences with protective services where they end up siding with the abuser. You basically have to have bite marks with matching dental records for them to believe victims. I really hope Ruby goes to jail and stays there and I hope that with all those calls attention is drawn to how little CPS is willing to do. In my experience, healing from abuse isn't easy but I hope the Franke kids grow to carry it well and hopefully one day they can move forward.

[@kaemincha]

I'm so sorry that happened to you. It is frustrating on the other side of CPS as well and is a big reason why so many socia workers burn out of the field fast. There is so much liability and without physical evidence, the state is scared to do anything that might end up with them in legal action. It's an imperfect system and I hope we can work towards bettering it because there are so many children whose cries for help get missed.

[@xGINGERxBREADx]

Oof.

[@Josh-mj9ce]

Just saying… there weren’t any trees or grass near Jodi’s house. Her house was surrounded by desert brush and cactuses….. and that poor boy walked through that shit BAREFOOT more than a football field to the neighbors house…. Insane.

[@gamarleton]

Seeing as you are someone who's covered all these sensitive topics and events with such great thoroughness, maturity and understanding, I am happy to see that official media news channels have picked you up and taken you very seriously.

[@victoriasfire]

As a post mormon from Utah, I was obsessed with this story for a few days when it first came out. You did this story Justice here, Swoop! I am glad you mentioned Adam Paul Steed and the dynamic and pattern that Jodi Hildebrandt perpetrates. His story and Jessi's will hopefully help these Franke kids receive justice. Unfortunately, John Dehlin at Mormon Stories Podcast received a court order to take down the POWERFUL 5 hour Adam Paul Steed interview. Adam has nothing to do with the current case and should be allowed to share his story. Very odd. I am concerned for the 2 youngest kids, particularly. I feel Ruby was the most abusive / sadistic with them. I hope Chad is ok. I hope Russell is with a kind, safe, comforting foster family.

[@braelinnbjerklie2144]

Wonder if it had some stuff the prosecution wasn't ready to come to light?? Court order definitely seems like it's something connected with what the state has planned for court proceedings.

[@gacktist00]

I heard that Adam's ex wife doesn't want the interview online for some(maybe legal) reason

[@khaleesireyna731]

​@gacktist00 probably because it showed her in a bad light as both someone who participated in destroying Adam's life and (according to Adam) a piss poor mother. Much like how Ruby and Jodi would dip and go gallavanting about for days on end and leave the kids to fend for themselves, Adam's ex, despite having him have barely any parental rights, and making all the disgusting allegations against him, she'd dip and leave the kids with him 80% of the time. Everything Adam went through and all the while he did everything he could to be there for his kids really highlights how crappy Kevin's excuses are. I'm glad I got the chance to listen to the entire interview before it got taken down. Hopefully we get to see it again because it IS powerful. I personally suspect that the LDS has something to do with that takedown. Adam not only exposed Jodi, but also the LDS leadership's continously supporting her. I suspect the takedown had something to do with them... they DO have some deep pockets.

[@rebeccazeman9309]

​@khaleesireyna731 bingo! I strongly believe it's the LDS church aka cult.

[@rebeccaabram2312]

It was Adam's ex wife who got the video taken down, most likely because it makes her look really bad

[@mandapandakitty]

Congrats on making it ON THE NEWS!!! 😱😱 That’s a huge accomplishment for a KZbinr to make it on traditional media.

[@monicaa0508]

As someone who left the Mormon church a little over 2 years ago, I appreciate the care with which you discussed that portion of this video, Swoop. Thank you. I personally know the harm that many suffer at the hands of the teachings and sayings of the church and in some cases, take to an awful and disgusting extreme. But I also know there are many good people who are still believers. Deconstructing is very difficult and although absolutely necessary, it can be hard to hear criticisms of a church you once held so closely to and were influenced by. So thank you, thank you, thank you as always - for validating those complicated feelings and discussing that issue in this case in such an articulate and delicate way. Much love!

[@ademoss80]

I've been good friends with a girl and her family since HS, so at least 25-28 years. They are Mormons & very involved in their church, they are such good people. They aren't extreme in any way & I've never personally heard of anyone within her vicinity that was. Admittedly it took a few years for me to win over her parents, but I accomplished that before we even graduated. There was a heartbreaking time for me when she got married bc she got married in the temple & I couldn't go. She never knew how much it hurt though because her brother warned me ahead of time. 😂 I was thankful for that bc I didn't want her to feel bad, I knew she had always dreamed of getting married in the temple & the obvious being it wasn't my dang wedding.😂 I try to let people know that the ones usually in the news are on the extreme side, that is just a small fraction & there is a reason they are classified as extreme.

[@nikkibayo]

I truly believe the problems are with the top tier of the church, and not the average member.

[@ademoss80]

@@nikkibayo I think so too

[@alim.9801]

​@@nikkibayo i dont have a ton of experience with the church but looking at my interactions with menbers of the church i think you're right

[@tricqui]

Hey some corrections: Springville is actually 4-5 hours away from St. George, Utah. Which makes leaving the kids home for 5 days alone much much worse. Also, Utah is not a flat state. It's incredibly mountainous.

[@sarahhutchinson4621]

You covered this extremely well. Focusing on the adults is a breath of fresh air compared to essentially exploiting the children further for views. Focus on those at fault 👏👏👏 Great work, as always, Swoop!

[@mikesanders8621]

Is it just me or does Bonnie suck, too?

[@lesliekennell4080]

@@mikesanders8621No

[@giabarrone7422]

The whole family sucks. Bonnie used to post videos of her abusing her kids worse than Ruby. She even locked up the food so her kids couldn’t access it. Even the parents of the Franke sisters vlog content that shows the abuse is generational and learned from them. It is awful. Ellie the youngest sister just called called out for incest and beastiality too.

[@forevercandace714]

The 911 call.... Its literally gut wrenching to hear. That precious boy, said he deserved it. Soul shattering to hear a young person say.

[@genesisdcardenas9360]

It’s shattering for anyone to say it in this type of circumstance even if he was a grown adult.

[@khaleesireyna731]

I choked up when I heard that part. It's something I told myself for years, too and it's disgusting how easily victims, especially children, will tell themselves it's their fault. I hope RF is able to find healing and peace and is able to someday see that what he did was so brave and not only is it not his fault AT ALL, but he may very well have saved his and his siblings' lives. I hope he can heal enough to see thar, because he deserves to.

[@Lorfanatic]

As someone who was a messed up kid with a lot of messed up friends, I wanted to say thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for the work and the fighting that you do. You're helping to make the world less messed up for who comes next, and it inspires the rest of us when we flag. We go harder to pay it forward, maybe spread that, and it's thanks to you. We'll be here cheering when you need it back.

[@stephanieoj432]

Why am I crying!! Not only because of this horrifying story but because of the way news people are out here really loving you! You sound like a whole lawyer and it’s so badass!!!

[@loriann8343]

That man breaking down on the 911 call broke my heart! Im so thankful it was him and nobody else and he did the right thing to help save those kids!! ❤

[@isabel_hendrix]

1:04:50 One correction; Adam Paul Steed didn’t suffer with addiction when recommended to see Jodi. They began seeing Jodi to help he & his wife heal from the trauma of his Boy Scouts settlement situation and for some issues his wife was dealing with (for her privacy he didn’t mention what specifically). He explained this is his Mormon stories interview. ❤ Love this doc, really amazing having so many of my favorite KZbin channels covering the same story!

[@JordanDragonAs]

He said he was self addicted to Korn but I think he just had a liking to it from the issues in his wife

[@EmoLozer500]

He was referred to Jodi due to the trauma of Boy Scouts case where a ton of child SA was uncovered, as well as mormon leaders allowing it to happen by silencing victims. His wife had some unrelated issues. However Jodi accused of him S addiction, and sent him to addiction services for literally no reason other than everyone is an addict in Jodis mind. So he went to therapy for a completely different reason than what he was "treated" for. When he brought up his childhood trauma during treatment, she would tell him that's part of his addiction. That he's addicted to being a victim, and addicted to "impure thoughts". That he may even harm his own children like what happened to him as a child, if he hasn't already. He's an addict, it's always on his mind, so it's only a matter of time before he hurts them. Those are the things Jodi was saying to his then wife aswell. Like seriously demented things to say to a survivor of SA, what Jodi did to him is beyond disgusting. All that was before they used the legal system, and mormon church leaders to ruin his life further. She's done this to many others.. with help from mormon leaders, but many of her victims are still too ashamed to speak out fully. They want to put this all behind them.. honestly can't blame them.

[@Mizze.]

As a child of abuse from a parent, my heart breaks for these kids, literally every muscle of my body hurts thinking of what they have gone through. There is no reason why this went on as long as it did. The KZbin channel evidence and issues with the school should have been more than enough reason to save those kids.

[@redhotcandy6629]

Same just hearing the neighbor say that the son believes it was his fault just made me break down into tears because I know all too well how a parent can make u feel like its ur fault that they are abusing you and how a parent can manipulate you and brainwash you into thinking that their insane punishment is acceptable. I pray that they can heal from this trauma.

[@ashtincrawford1020]

From what I understand, Russell can not be housed with his siblings, or any other children, because of Ruby’s allegation. It feels like she did this to punish him from behind bars.

[@ThreeD.s]

This has been my thought as well! If mom has to suffer, so do the kids…NOT!! There are no perfect parents but there are definitely some, like Ruby, who need an education on how not to be a narcissist!

[@TheKrispyfort]

Ruby's possibly not lying about R's behaviours. And I would want to know how did he learn these behaviours and who did he learn it from! This is never kids being curious. Unaddressed appropriately this C-on-C CSA predation can lead to the future-adults continuing to be S-predatory as adults. Children are hurt by these behaviours at the hands of other children and are less likely to report it to the adults in their lives when they do start to appreciate that they've been CSA'ed. Ruby's gone about addressing these alleged actions in a totally harmful manner to not only the child repeating what was done to them but every child ever. Ruby should have gone to the police and proper specialist counseling as soon as she was aware of what she alleges was happening. She's betrayed children and parents everywhere by addressing her child's alleged actions in the fashion she chose

[@heartsmyfaceforever8140]

She thinks that music videos are porn. I imagine he confessed to watching music videos with neighbouring kids.

[@lisakemp7352]

@@TheKrispyfortYou need to watch the interview with Jodie’s niece. She said they viewed just making the bed as sexual! It was really messed up

[@TheKrispyfort]

@@lisakemp7352 home schooling and non-standardized educational curriculum will do that to people.

[@CristinaF_LTHP]

Her accusing her child of SAing others is just despicable. Ruby’s kids needed permission for everything. They were constantly being monitored… when? When would have this child had the time and ability to do what she’s saying they did? They need to lock Ruby and Jodi up and throw away the keys.

[@mst3kharris]

As angry as I am at Ruby, Jodi, and Kevin for what they’ve done to those children, the fact that Ruby had the gall to accuse her son makes me incoherent.

[@glitchon12]

The fact that she taught her kids shame instead of love is absolutely disgusting, those kids were broken down before they could ever be built up and I hope they can heal form this and that woman will never be free from her crimes Btw, I'M SO EXCITED FOR YOU GETTING ON THE NEWSSSS YOU DID THAT AND I'M SO PROUD OF YOU SWOOP

[@Georgie3463]

Bonnie's statement that Ruby's actions have resulted in the worst few weeks she and the family have had. She didn't show any compassion for the children who have suffered for YEARS!!!! And she didn't do anything to help them! Ruby's family is full of narcissists.🤬

[@HiddenDarkHM]

But think about them, the real victims, they might have... might have... lost views over it!!! 😱

[@yungmilf]

Its because she is THE SAME WAY when it comes to parenting. She admits this in a video where she trains her kids like actual dogs. Admitting to leaving them alone for hours to sleep or shower. Just, like. Ruby. Fucking sickening and it truly is a vicious cycle starting with the sisters/rubys parents!!!

[@yungmilf]

⁠@@HiddenDarkHM. 😂 fr, like holy hell!! Thats SOOOO terrible for them. Just awful! 🤯😨

[@AutumnHoogsteen]

I actually had to turn this video off for ten seconds so I could search her and comment exactly that. I just couldn’t keep my mouth shut

[@aromaathome]

Just a note…. St. George is actually several hours away from Springville, not 10 miles. So it’s even worse that Ruby would leave her kids home alone for 5 days when she was so far away!

[@kimdelo9795]

Ivins, where Hildebrandt’s house is, is outside of St. George. So when Shari said Ruby was ‘visiting a friend in St. George’ Ruby was probably at Jodi’s house. Kind of like if I was telling someone in San Francisco that I was ‘visiting a friend in Agoura Hills’ I would probably just say ‘I’m going to LÀ’ b/c who is expected to know that Agoura Hills is a little town next to LA. So she just said ‘St. George’ b/c who’s gonna know where Ivins is?

[@DeClaw-]

⁠​⁠@@kimdelo9795 Ivins is still 275ish miles away from Springville, it’s like a 4 hour drive.

[@mamadelosgatos26]

Came here to say this also -from a 2 decade Utah local

[@krireshin]

She also showed and quoted Idaho law regarding mental health pleas when she was describing Utah law. And said vicious instead of vacuous in an earlier quote she read. Does she have no one fact checking or proofreading anything in the editing?

[@ksn2002]

Mormon stories and Swoop crossover was not expected but very much appreciated. Great to see two of my favourite creators together. Swoop amazing work as always. The amount of work you and your team has done is staggering. Please keep up the good work and remember to look after yourself as well❤️ (As a fellow fibromyalgia sufferer, it’s great to see that you are not letting it stop you❤) Love to you and your team💕💕

[@Sangeetha6785]

Buprenorphine has helped my fibromyalgia. Nothing is a cure, but just thought I would let you know. ❤

[@acatnamedmarvin]

the new 😢

[@azlizzie]

That wasn't really a crossover. Fair use might not cover those clips with Steed. That video was removed due to a legal restraining order.

[@hurri-db]

I had to go for a obgyn exam which was really traumatic for me but wearing and then hugging your hoodie really helped me get through it. As a fellow fibro person, I really appreciate how much effort you put in to telling the absolute truth of these stories. Thank you.

[@jessica23claire]

I have one next week so I feel you! Hope you’re okay ❤

[@alim.9801]

I'm proud of you for making it through my friend, i hope the results from it keep you healthy and that youre doing good 💜🤘🏻

[@alim.9801]

​@@jessica23claire i hope you do ok and feel safe during your appointment as well!!

[@TEAtimesTHREEE]

Bonnie has a video where she talks about "blanket training" her children... basically training them to stay quiet and not move from a blanket for like hours at a time. It's clear that she herself holds some very problematic and abusive beliefs about what parenting is.

[@colbyreader]

Something wholesome: My mother never “blanket trained” me but she quilted and I loved blankets so much so if there was one on the floor I would curl up on it.

[@graysonrogers-barnes6302]

Isn't that literally a method from "To Train Up A Child" or something?

[@roberta_redactedF]

@@graysonrogers-barnes6302it is. By Micheal and Debbie Pearle.

[@Mai_mna]

That sounds like something you'd teach a dog, not a kid.

[@roberta_redactedF]

@@Mai_mna I honestly don’t think people would be that cruel to a dog. The mother will try to lure the baby off with toys etc, as soon as baby moves from blanket, baby is struck, then placed back on blanket. It’s despicable.

[@tiedyedowl8367]

Hearing that the kid say it was his fault and then you saying “…what you survive at the hands of others is not your fault,” had me crying. Thank you. It’s a good reminder. I’m not going to be able to watch this right now, I’m not in the emotional state I can handle it, but when I am, I will, and please know I really appreciate you saying what you did and the work you do as well as the care and thought you put into these videos.

[@3ratsinatrenchcoat342]

Fr can we talk about how brave that little boy was/is? Because it is so hard to fight past the stockholm syndrom that tells you that this abuse is actually love and instead fight through that and goes to find help. I hope those kids find a good home. Dont leave them with the dad or ANYONE who knew this was happening and just let it happen

[@YouTubeSupportSucks]

Stockholm Syndrome was invented by someone who never interviewed the woman it was based on, who was a hostage put at risk by the police; it isn't real.

[@YaGirl_Nickie]

As a survivor myself as well, Swoop couldn't be more right, the shame lies with the abuser, not us, the victims/survivors! It is not our fault, wasn't ever our fault, and never will be our fault, and we never have to feel alone! I am always here for anyone I can be. Thank you again Swoop.

[@tellmeofyourhomeworldusul6060]

The sister “it may sound selfish worrying about our house…” Yep. You are on point there sis

[@gromit0299]

Laws should be passed to protect children, as a result of this and other mothers who exploited their children for internet points. I hope those kids find some peace and healing.

[@KingOfGaymes]

Posting content of your kids online should be treated the same as kids in movies and tv, it’s straight up child labor.

[@elainelouve]

I love that you brought up the banality of evil! It's such a common thing. People don't consider their actions as evil, because they're "doing good" or just doing what needs to be done.

[@ingloriousbetch4302]

Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. If the God‐​given understanding of your mind does not resist a demand to believe what is impossible, then you will not resist a demand to do wrong to that God‐​given sense of justice in your heart....Voltaire

[@penbeatssword7350]

Thank you for continuing to put the spotlight on Kevin!! He's as complicit in the things those kids went through long before Jodi came on the scene!

[@amieaiello3456]

Amen! He deserves to be in prison as much as they do! To hear him cry innocent and dumb is disgusting!

[@modermousev2ofthegoldendeer]

You know youve made it big when the news cites you as a credible source

[@7nviie]

i knew you’d cover this and i’m so happy you are. you’re the perfect person to cover this story, you’re always so empathetic and wise and treat these cases with the care they deserve. EDIT: omg VINNIE!!!!!!! swoop, you deserve all the success youve been experiencing. you and your team are doing such amazing, much needed work.

[@mebeme99079]

SWOOP covered this years ago too, way before mainstream media caught on!

[@7nviie]

@@mebeme99079 yes i know! i guess what i meant is im glad shes following up. shes absolutely incredible im glad shes stayed finger on the pulse on this one for so long.

[@edithnackers7127]

I started watching Swoop back in the "I try the worst makeup artist in my area" era and she has now evolved her channel to amazing documentaries on sus people and mental health. I am so proud of her.

[@brax-games]

I've never clicked so fast!! I really admire the dedication and detail that Swoop and team give on every doc and video they do! Lots of love to y'all!

[@anxiousopossum]

One of the most disgusting things about this entire case is how many followers the channel has. How many other children out there are being similarly treated? Are being raised with shame and emotional abuse from parents that idealized Ruby’s “parenting style”? It wasn’t subtle, she was proud in restricting access to food and other necessities. Her followers were okay with and supportive of this behavior. Horrifying.

[@HiddenDarkHM]

Not to mention how it basically wasn't until they were actually ARRESTED before KZbin finally honored their own policies and shut the channels down.

[@Hannah-pq9ui]

As a victim of childhood abuse at a parents hand seeing kids get the justice they deserve is amazing and I hope this brings them some peace the platform that their own mother used to abuse them is now coming out in their support

[@mikesanders8621]

I love this channel coz it feels like people who are survivors of CA/CSA can talk about it openly without fear of judgement. I hope you're doing well now :)

[@isabellahuelsbeck8512]

swoop being on the news for her research skills is so heartwarming to know. she and the team deserve the recognition and mainstream support

[@fizziep0p696]

The opener where swoop describes the experience of the man who found the child gave me goosebumps , anxiety, and existential dread. Those poor children.

[@selinesbeau]

I feel so bad for him too. I can't stand seeing a mouse in pain, I can't imagine what it would do to see a child in that state.

[@CatMom-uw9jl]

@@selinesbeauin the 911 recording you can hear him choking up as he talks to the dispatcher.

[@KingOfGaymes]

@@CatMom-uw9jlthat part gets me because it shows how horrific the condition of that child was.. it made this man cry from looking at him..

[@driskey82]

One thing I absolutely LOVE about swoop is she never assumes people knows everything so she’ll explain things just in case nobody has heard about it or doesn’t know what it is

[@danielleochoa7845]

1:15:30 this just further validates the abuse i experienced growing up. I was isolated my entire childhood and into adulthood. The attempts to isolate me now that im free from that situation continues. Thank you so much Swoop

[@yungmilf]

yes!! No contact going on almost 3 years now. This whole case has been very... its hard to explain? i just went through some of the same... i hope youre doing much better in your life now!

[@kory_misun]

Telling your kids "You don't need food"... I hope you never get out of prison, Ruby.

[@khaleesireyna731]

Low-key, I hope she gets one of those egg mctampons like from Orange is the New Black and it includes a note that says "you don't need food, Ruby".

[@nancycollins4109]

It's obvious she has some form of eating disorder, too.

[@leahduffy5953]

I don’t believe Kevin’s claims of not being involved simply bc of just how ACTIVE this man was in Ruby & Jody’s facebook group ‘Moms of Truth’ just BASHING people.

[@misskilo7675]

AGREED!! He is in no way innocent!!

[@figurative_husband]

As somebody who was raised, and is now trapped in the Mormon religion, most of what Jodi is teaching is not shocking. I have been shamed for the past 3 years because my dad and my mother were divorced. Unfortunately what Jodi is showing others is normal for Utah.

[@unfortunatedisgrace246]

is there anything someone like me can do to help you get out? i know i am just a random internet stranger but i want you to get help if somehow possible!

[@EmoLozer500]

​@@unfortunatedisgrace246​​Getting out is not easy.. it means falling out with the church. The social repercussions of which strip many people from their families, friends, and support groups. It can get you removed from your job, taken out of school, especially if you're publicly shamed by the church. It can foster scrutiny towards your loved ones, and ruin opportunities for them. If you have kids, and try to leave the church, but your spouse refuses to leave the church.. it is horrifyingly common that church leaders will fund the parent still in the church during divorce proceedings in order to insure you can't have custody of your children. Cut off from everything, everyone you've ever known. A lot of people who grew up in, and are stuck in Mormonism don't ever leave.. even if they lose faith in the religion. The consequences, and isolation is just too severe. There's a lot of people who do leave now days.. but still many don't feel like they ever could do that. Even with help, what they lose is so devastating. A lot of people leave, and end up coming back to repent.. just so they can speak to their loved ones again.

[@anxietyisms]

tell them they’re sinners for judging you about something your parents did, see how they react. anytime someone tells me i’m doing something that’s considered a sin, i say “you’re sinning by judging me”. i’m not religious so being told i’m sinning doesn’t affect me, but it sure is hilarious to see their faces when they get called out.

[@Rosie-ep2nm]

Ruby made those accusations to punish her son for daring to escape, because she blames him for her rough situation. If shes going down she wants to drag him down with her as much as she can. Its disgusting, i think she wants to prove that to her children that they will never be free of her. I have known parents like this sadly and I have zero doubt that everything she is doing while in that cell is to continue to hurt those poor children.

[@Rosie-ep2nm]

@@Raya-ir4tm ah yep sorry, idk how I mistyped that :') I'll fix it thank you x

[@TheKrispyfort]

She's probably not lying. Child-on-child CSA is real. Left unaddressed it can lead to escalation of behaviours (eg Josh Duggar, and the diving guy) and traumatized adults reacting like Jody & Ruby did to try and correct it. Thus creating more harm and perpetuating more trauma. Child-on-child CSA is just as traumatic to people when they start to appreciate what was done to them. Unaddressed it goes unreported and then more children are harmed. Jody and Ruby went about this the totally wrong and harmful way. Who did the child learn these behaviours from? It's never just kids being curious. There's always a precipitation event. The authorities need allow access to specialist counseling for all parties involved in child-on-child CSA

[@unctrlabyexcite]

Jodi shows all the Hallmarks of a budding cult leader. I have little doubt that Ruby was influenced, and given she was already deeply cruel to her children it likely made it easier to increase the level of cruelty with minimal conative dissonance. Kevin is just as bad for not exercising his parental rights to try to do anything for his kids. I hope those kids finally get to be with safe people who will get them all the help and support they need

[@KingOfGaymes]

Honestly.. Every time I hear a case involving Mormons it has such a cult like vibe to it.. I don’t think it’s a coincidence

[@TheHonorableAudio]

Check out her mentor, Thom Harrison and any speaker at his EternalCore conference. There is a lot of Chad Daybell/Lori Vallow overlap.

[@raysofmariehere6441]

THIS I thought the same thing. CULT ALERT

[@FIRING_BLIND]

​@@TheHonorableAudiothere are literally pictures with all of them at a conference

[@TheHonorableAudio]

@@FIRING_BLINDJodi Hildebrandt, Chad Daybell, and Lori Vallow?

[@Sarahkara1313]

I hate the US prison system but people who abuse children like those two deserve to never be around other people again

[@riahdaniels54]

This is deeper a dive into this story than I have heard anywhere. Thank you for going down the rabbit hole and making sense of it for us. The thing about Jody I see is she focused on sxual “crimes” because she may have some deviance herself. Many times the biggest haters have skeletons 9 foot tall in their own closets. Jody was the queen of mind games not mind healing. She should never had gotten her licence back.

[@jennl93]

Sorry guys, can’t work for the rest of the day. SWOOP just dropped a new video 😍 thanks for all the time, effort and energy you and your team go through not only to shed light on important things but do it in a palatable and entertaining way. Much love to you all

[@UltravioletStarGirl9]

I watch Swoop docs at my desk. No shame. Lol!

[@jennl93]

@@UltravioletStarGirl9 I was just being silly, I work from home so I watch/listen to videos all day lol

[@UltravioletStarGirl9]

@@jennl93 oh lucky!!!

[@ForReal_Lauren]

😅 Me, though!! I can't want to clock in now. (I mean, I will, but you better believe I'm gonna have an earbud in to listen while I work.😂) 🖤🖤🖤

[@jennl93]

@@ForReal_Lauren I save my podcast listening and laundry for on the clock 😂 my job can pay me for both of those lol