Peugeot 9X8 LMH Hypercar - Why is it so slow?

[@LucasGonzalezA]

I'm no engineer but this concept would work like a charm with active suspension

[@stevensracing2229]

active suspension is banned in WEC Hypercar

[@youngrody2386]

not really a significant improvement, If it had a wing it could perform better, but if Active Aero misjudges one bump in the curve it'll still lose a big measure of downforce, and probably less predictably so. However, if it can change rake then it'll be better adaptable.

[@ntshembo]

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[@lc5957]

@@youngrody2386 i always wodnered how the wheels preformed if downforce aero was somehow attached to it's mounts. kinda like the overtop wheelguards found on fomrula 1 cars during rainy races.

[@stevensracing2229]

@@ntshembo ?

[@GuagoFruit]

I'm happy that they did something different at least. I don't really care who wins, I just love seeing different cars racing.

[@li_reyoutube5855]

W opinion. At least here in the wec there arent 10 Pairs of exact same looking cars with only different liveriws

[@tomasg4623]

If you want to do things unconventionally, at least make the solution clever.

[@BleedForTheWorld]

It's all made up by corporations anyway. The creativity added is nice.

[@electronights3589]

Peugeot has 100% built this car to perform at Le Mans, If the car is shit at Le Mans that's going to be incredibly hilarious😭

[@ruzgarakgul2051]

They were as slow as the alpine lmh with about 140 hp more, around monza’s and fuji’s long straights so I don’t think they’ll be doing well at le mans either

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

@@ruzgarakgul2051 With BoP and ballast. Without it, the Alpine would have been the fastest thing on the circuit with a few seconds to spare. Even without hybrid, LMP1 is still a step above LMH prototypes.

[@ReXzz]

@@ruzgarakgul2051 last year's 9X8 was significantly more draggy and their 2023 upgrades changed that!

[@Dexter-nw2fe]

​@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks wait? Alpine is still racing an lmp1 spec car in lmh/lmdh? Why is that allowed

[@ruzgarakgul2051]

@@ReXzz interesting, because the ferrari and the lmdh cars are topping the speed traps now and I don’t see the pugs near their top speed. I think this project is gonna be a slow progress to victory like the 908 which took 3 years to win Also due to the frequent BoP changes and no test numbers like previous years I still can never gauge their actual performance. They were at one point close to toyota in bahrain but they were both running almost around max weight and now they’re running close to minimum weight. Prologue not being in a test track like paul ricard or a smooth track like monza is a bit misleading as well

[@rjung_ch]

Being too reliant on ride height seems to be the wrong concept. I do like the looks, but if they can't keep up, then that's a shame.

[@JoshuaC923]

Yeah💀💀

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

They have designed it for LM24 but I am not convinced it will perform. They didn't learn from what we saw in F1.

[@Oscar97o]

It looks like the issue is that they can't keep (the car) down.

[@BiggusD77]

@@Oscar97o No the issue is that they accelerate several percent slower than their competitors, and have a top speed 5-10 km/h lower than them. Never saw any downforce problems at Spa or in Portugal.

[@literallyhuman5990]

​@@BiggusD77 we could say it's the powerplant then?

[@ambergris5705]

Peugeot has proven a few times already that they might be slow to start, but when they hit their stride, not many can stand in their way (Audi anyone?). However, this time around I am a little bit more worried, because it apparently is not the same team as the one that brought us the 905 (including the Supercopter, which was basically an LMP 10 years before), or the 908 HDi, or all the incredible cars in the middle like the 208 Pikes Peak, 3008 and 2008 Dakar, etc.

[@vince207]

Not the same team, and hypercars are homologated for 3 years, so basically they only can bring very few updates, or they need to make a completely new car.

[@ellasOLE22]

If my memory serves me well, they only beat Audi one year at Le Mans for all the years they competed with them. The Peugeot did in the end have a better overall car at the other tracks though. The Audi Vs Peugeot rivalry was the greatest peak of LMP1 competition. It was amazing. Then Porsche came in and the regulations just simply made it too difficult to have a competitive Diesel engine. Slower refuelling rates, less fuel etc etc. Took all the advantages of an efficient diesel engine away.

[@ThatBeastEDM]

@@ellasOLE22 About the Peugeot vs Audi battle, we can also talk about Group B and Pikes Peak

[@skyhigh6089]

They only beat Audi once. The Germans were far more successful than Peugeot.

[@ambergris5705]

Audi has been more successful in these past years than Peugeot at Le Mans, but Peugeot was really the only brand who managed to be competitive against them, and beat them. That's remarkable enough I think.

[@zooot820]

i love how the French aren’t afraid to experiment with new concepts. it tends to work for them so i’d like to see them go well at LeMan

[@mattyg267]

and the japanese...

[@loganlitle3954]

*Says in German accent* and the Germans.

[@gepeszmartin]

Finally! I was looking for some explanation lately, why the 9x8 doesn't work and i haven't found anything yet. Thank you guys!

[@DonLee1980]

Problem 1: the rule book says the maximum downforce/drag can't be more than 4.0, so any hyper efficient aero is mitigated Problem 2: floor downforce is great, but once you try to run over a curb, it is mostly gone. That means you can't tackle curbs as much as the other cars

[@Bncxx1275]

That is true Floor downforce is what Peugeot's engineers believe to

[@Real_MisterSir]

A lot of the curbs on La Sarthe are tall and brutal on the cars over 24 hours so it's actually not favored to rely on curbs too much on that track anyways outside of flying laps, so I don't think that is going to be as much of an issue there, as on some other tracks like Spa.

[@kben24]

Hopefully, Peugeot will build a b-spec 9X8 (with a rear wing) OR create new car with a more practical aerodynamic design concept. Don’t pull out of sportscar racing… I still love seeing the Peugeot prototypes!!

[@R3Lynx]

hey its the Kobayashi video dude

[@SeaGLGaming]

Definitely one of the most intriguing prototype projects alongside the Nissan Longboi. Not testing at Sebring was definitely a massive mistake. When you have a car that relies solely on floor downforce, not testing at any tracks with lots of bumps is a massive mistake. Spa was their shot to show that they're prepared for Le Mans, but now I'm pretty concerned about their chances. Still, it's easily the most striking hypercar on the grid, and I hope they stick to it.

[@swordsman1137]

In hindsight, those drag requirement is better used to have rear wing. So when their floor can't generate enough downforce, they still have some through wing.

[@fabiom7078]

I just love the looks of this car so much that I really want it to succeed. I hope they will be able to fix the issues before the next race.

[@X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X]

I can't help but think of their "look, no rear wing!" design as a PR stunt first, and racecar engineering second. It's not as laughable as Nissan with their "1400 hp" PR machine, but perhaps another attempt of a manufacturer to not compete on equal footing and potentially lose, but to lose while being on everybody's minds.

[@mikeabcable]

The front axel powered lemans was lame as hell

[@_bvck]

@@mikeabcableshame because it really wasn’t meant to be like that. It was meant to be AWD, with engine driven front and electric driven rear which would add a load of HP. But they ran out of time due to mismanagement, constraints, bad money management etc. If they had an extra year to work on it I reckon the GTR LM would have been genuinely competitive.

[@mikeabcable]

@@_bvck I don't remember any of these. I believe the chief engineer clearly stated GTR LM was explicitly designed to be front powered.

[@Bruno-cb5gk]

@@mikeabcable the rear was meant to be powered by a flywheel

[@mikeabcable]

Any source of information?

[@keffen]

Going down a rabbit hole with your videos thanks for the excellent analysis !!

[@BSport320]

Glad you like them!

[@117johnpar]

I'm anticipating the Peugeot to do really well at LeMans. The high sustained speed I think their more slippery design is going to favor. And its not like they arent making pace. They definitely had issues at Sebring. But Portimao and Spa they were heavily fighting with Cadillac, which were also fighting Porsche and Ferrari at stages, So its not like theyre lagging behind in pace like Glickenhaus, or DNFing every race like Vanwall.

[@rolandotillit2867]

I'd say it's not so much the downforce quantity, but quality. The flow structures in the floor break down and it cuts downforce. Wings not only help the floor work better, but they're less sensitive to upstream flow(provided they're well positioned on the car). Peugeot would have to invest a lot of development to manage tire squirt and floor geometry to keep the downforce consistent.

[@ruzgarakgul2051]

Maybe they’ll get dassault to fix the car like they did with the 905. Cool concept but it was bound to be largely useless around half the calendar. Around circuits like portimao I expected them to be at front runner pace because the track is relatively smooth but nope they were not. To cancel out their uncompetitiveness around bumpy tracks they needed to be as dominant as a mercedes f1 car around other normal tracks

[@MrWhitePerson]

car goes over crest ride height changes and a lot of downforce is lost so even with a really smooth track the car will be unstable because there's a bunch of crests mixed with corners, so the driver will be puckering his butthole every single time he has to turn and go through a crest at the same time

[@ruzgarakgul2051]

@@MrWhitePerson you’re correct but I’d like to point out that their hybrid activation speed is 40 kmh lower than the competitive cars so it should mostly even out because the front of the car has grip at those speeds. Also no hypercar took that portimao final corner flat out

[@MrWhitePerson]

@@ruzgarakgul2051 it's not just about traction when accelerating though, it's just about overall stability, it would be the equivalent of an f1 car activating drs mid corner, even if not going anywhere near full throttle if you just lose like more than half of the rear downforce mid corner it's easy to lose the rear

[@v88box21]

It's a damn shame that the car didn't go well as a disaster for Peugeot. I actually love the looks, but I wish the car actually got an interesting improvement, even it should deserve a rear wing. Honestly, it should also deserve a good improvement, and without the issues, the car would have been able to compete.

[@KayJblue]

With hindsight it is quite silly. With a required amount of drag, using ground effect is simply sacrificing downforce at low speed. Hopefully it’s better at Le Mans.

[@ZeugmaP]

You mainly talked about Sebring and Spa, but at Portimao it wasn't so bad. I personally think that there's another reason than a lack of downforce for their bad performance at Spa.

[@natelecarde962]

They have a driver lineup that rivals Toyota but they can’t build a car to save their lives… If they stay next year they need to make some SERIOUS improvements this offseason.

[@mehmetsahsert3284]

a truly innovational design, i wish them to keep on going and succeed in the end.

[@fedorsamokhin4495]

Anyone else remembers the Arriws A2 wingless car and it's "success" in F1 ? Seems like a very similar story

[@anuarestrada]

Such a beautiful car. It's a shame it isn't as fast as it looks 😢

[@anuarestrada]

Nevermind! P3 at Monza!!

[@82hellas]

Looks great. Love the thought of what could they do without a real wing but it’s a huge task to make a car with the same amount of rear downforce without one.

[@hanswurst6712]

Peugeot is a huge disapointment. They were supposed to be the top challenger for Toyota. But they seem to have one of the slowest and unreliable car at all.

[@yashvardhankasana1515]

Chill Klaus.

[@v88box21]

Then there was the 905, It didn't finish in 1991 24 Hours of Le Mans, but then finished in 1st in 1992 and 1993. Keep in mind, the 905 was actually a pretty good Peugeot prototype.

[@Shea-austin]

@@v88box21 And this was how many years ago again? Yeah, they better pray they're at least faster than Vanwall

[@ro-86alkonost78]

While Peugeot, Ferrari, Cadillac and Porsche are competing against Toyota using hybrid hypercars which Toyota are using for 3 years ever since LMP1 was retired, Toyota has a lot more recent experience in WEC top category than these competitors. Toyota GR drivers and team members at WEC are seasoned veterans in WEC while Porsche and Peugeot just entered the top category after years of hiatus from LMP1, especially Peugeot. Meanwhile, Cadillac and Ferrari never competed in LMP1 category in WEC. I also heard that Ferrari drivers just newly transitioned from GT3 to hypercars while Toyota's drivers were driving LMP1 and hypercars for years.

[@Giors]

Honestly it's the coolest looking hypercar for me I hope it'll perform well in le Mans

[@Theel25]

Sebring was a disaster because the car was more ground effect heavy than the rest so it couldn't master it as well. They competed at Spa, a track which suits the lower downforce style they went for. Pace-wise it was just slightly off compared to the rest of the Hypercar Hybrid's. If it is a tick faster(about 1-1.5 secs a lap faster) than it'll be up in pace. The rest of the Hybrid's are there(LMH privateers are a lost cause), so I feel like Peugeot will be there soon. It's a hard concept to master.

[@mslunaticgenericword5015]

I really wish success for this car. This car is so unique, looks amazing. I hope it continues to race next season, by that I mean, I really hope, Peugeot doesn't give up on this car.

[@Real_MisterSir]

The way I see it, they have a novel platform with no experience on it. 1. In the first race they had malfunctions. They sorted this 2. In the second race they were reliable but didn't have pace. 3. In the third race (Le Mans) pace will be their primary focus, and with a novel car like this I'm sure they have engineered it with La Sarthe in mind from the beginning, so it would be surprising to me if their pace doesn't improve there. Reliability is the main concern in the long run, so that's what I'd be focusing more on with a new platform and aero package approach. Pace will come with experience, reliability needs to be sorted early on, as that can not just lead to slower laptimes, but potentially jeopardize the entire project if something critical goes wrong or cars have to retire.

[@hornetguy9063]

As the video said, if any track is going to be favorable to Peugeot, it’s Le Mans. I can see them being absolutely monstrous down mulsanne

[@gregrobins5615]

I certainly wouldn't write off the kings of motorsport. With a motorsport history second to nobody, Peugeot will be improving all the way to Le Mans and will give it a real chance in front of the home fans.

[@marcush.1901]

❤French are different,so no worries there. They will learn about suspension setup strategy to enable them to run lower,and that will solve their big problem

[@MadIIMike]

Peugeot going to Le Mans: Finally, a smooth track with no eau rouge so we can go low and get downforce! Peugeot at Le Mans: ... sacre bleu! Le Mans is a low downforce track! As for the design, it's true the floor is technically more effective than a rear wing, but the main reason for a rear wing is to extend on the effect of a diffusor. To go this route, you'd most likely depend on a sealed underbody (skirts/active suspension) for high downforce applications. Another issue with Peugeots design approach is, that it's very inflexible. I don't know how regulated Hypercars are, but it's very hard to adjust your aero balance if you rely on the floor to such a degree. Meaning just being able to run lower and get more downforce might also amplify possible balance problems. Lastly, and it's arguably the biggest issue I see with the concept: It's very sensitive. If you assume a smooth track and clean running it's very easy to have something work in a simulation. Now imagine running the low ride height high downforce setup but hitting the inside kerb on the dunlop chicane in le mans and it could quickly look like the Mc Nish crash where he got tapped by a Ferrari.

[@michaelkeaton5394]

i really hope they can fix their problems and make a successful car for next year

[@ThunderTiger0801]

How did the engineers not think about all these ride hight issues from the very beginning... It was a topic in F1 in the 70s

[@wiegraf9009]

They built it entirely for Le Mans

[@bkbaughn]

Peugeot looks amazing. I love a manufacturer that tries something outside the box and wish them success. It looks quick and while it hasn't shown how quick it is yet, I believe once it is dialed in should be very competitive... At least I hope it will be. Reminds me of years back when Mazda were running tiny diesel engines in IMSA... Or the FWD Nissan... Or the Delta Wing... Grant it none of those prototypes were at all successful... Lol but I was pulling for them...

[@maxb148]

Sebring and Portimao are bad tracks for the Peugeot due to the bumps and the elevation changes. Spa showed it can do better on a more traditional track. I do think Le Mans will be a good track for the Peugeot as the surface is quite smooth even on the road section, with the only major downforce sections on the road being Indy and the start of the Porsche Curves. The only problem they may have is down Mulsane the road does have a decent sized hump along the middle which will unsettle the car more tgan it would with traditional aerodynamics.

[@hrvojekrsnik6572]

I love how the car looks, and love they are trying something different. Question is, can they pivot and with minimal redesign just put a rear wing on this car to bring it in line with more traditional racing cars if they conclude they won't be able to sort out their issues with the basic concept

[@hios2831]

Maybe the car isn"t fast for the moment but i can say with confidence the design is beautiful

[@legeekdechepaou411]

that's for the aero, the sauber mercedes c9 worked the same way but they solved the problems with harder suspensions back in the day. there are also other problems to the 9x8 such as the undersized engine and the wheel widths

[@mafiousbj]

The Peugeot guys didn´t even take a single look at the F1 porpoising problems and ride height issues. They could have easily found out how much trouble most teams had with ride heights to make the ground effect floors works as intended

[@idriveastationwagon1534]

Was hoping it would do great. It’s gotta live up to the Peugeot 908 and 905 legacies

[@swecreations]

I'd still think this is a success for Peugeot, they've gotten an enormous amount of marketing from this.

[@sarezfx]

I like the car, because the concept is interesting and it looks kinda quirky and unconventional. Though I'm not convinced, that they'll perform well at Le Mans, everything from tertre rouge to Porsche curves is still very bumpy.

[@michaelmeffert5722]

Awesome looking car, but it’s clear because others went with a rear wing and some even with a quite big one like Ferrari and Glickenhaus. Anyway, Le Mans 2023 looks to be the most exciting one in at least a decade.

[@ShadowRacing]

Does this remind anyone of some of the Nissan concepts? Dela Wing? FWD LMP1 Car? Or perhaps that AMR1 failure? Hype and ambition very easily gets ahead of adhesion.

[@Lvl100Boss]

Its almost like ground effect stops working when going over curbs and bumps.

[@James_08_07]

It's going to be fascinating to see the speeds at Le Mans next week for the test day.

[@kmisad]

I really hope they fix it and not change the concept, because it's the most beautiful car by far

[@vicboom1880]

I only see two options to make this design work. 1: Use active suspension. It is not allowed so this is not an option 2: Optimise the underfloor for 2 different ride heights. Example: making the outer part optimised for 2'5cm and the inner zone for 1'5. So that if the normal ride height is 2cm there is the same downforce between 1'5 and 2'5cm (the heights are just as an example and could be different in real life)

[@Labgorilla]

Looks nice. Peugeot know how to design cars. Weird idea about a lack of rear wing.

[@eefneleman9564]

I'm completely in love with the looks of the car... It'd be a shame if they couldn't get it to work. And maybe this is just a step up towards F1 again.

[@calebneff5777]

The concept is amazing, 10/10. The look is siiiiiiiiiiiick, looks so great on track and stands out really well. The execution is a 4/10. Seems like they really botched it by not having some kind of ride heigh management.

[@seanonraet8327]

Even if it doesn't get faster it's the coolest looking new hypercar

[@slim1940]

It looks awesome and trying new stuff is always great to see, maybe we'll really see how it go's on the long straights of le mans

[@ajrichar0]

Is Ben Bowlby somehow involved in the Peugeot's design concept? 😉 Seriously though, I want to see the idea proceed just as I wanted the Nissan to succeed. I support innovation because I don't want to see cookie-cutter designs that copy each other. Bravo Peugeot. I just hope they get the concept working at Le Mans.

[@Lol-rx7sx]

Ce qui a été important pour la direction de Peugeot lors du développement de la 9X8, c'est qu'elle possède les codes visuels des voitures de série de la marque, non seulement c'est réussi, mais elle est aussi non seulement belle mais originale, Peugeot voulait à tout pris se démarquer de toutes ces voitures d'endurance qui ce ressemblent de plus en plus, et que ce soit "Mr tout le monde", ou les professionnels du sport automobile, ils ont tous dit: Ouaaah !!! En la voyant, et cela est déjà une réussite.

[@megatechbody3207]

The most beautiful hypercar period. And it it's first year. They can imporve on next year. And Glickenhaus private, OK but is Peugeot public?

[@svgitana2499]

Love this car design!! Best looking car out there by a mile!!😍🙌🏻

[@danielholland4520]

i really do hope it does well, i love how the car looks 😔

[@Poun-isher]

For me the car is 200% build for the centenary of the 24h. I still hope it is. We'll see it in a 3 weeks anyway and I will support them on the track.

[@kellypaws]

Making breakthroughs involves making mistakes. I admire Peugeot. Win or lose.

[@akhyarrayhka4048]

it looks beautiful without those aftermarket looking wings on other cars

[@arthurteo8111]

Looks like the same radically innovative mistake that a certain F1 team had made. But it really looks good.

[@blazi2293]

Making a car that relies only on its floor sounds risky for an endurance car. If you pick up some floor damage, your race is doomed. In theory, not having a rear wing MAY (or not) turn the car into a rocket ship at Le Mans, but they haven't shown to be capable of challenging Toyota. Le Mans is probably going to be a battle between Toyota and Ferrari

[@tomasg4623]

Who could have predicted this?

[@adamb2619]

All

[@heinssander]

A really familiar concept to the Aston Martin Valkyrie. But the don't have Adrian Newey to fix there problems.

[@Chadabi]

looks cool af and that’s all it matters

[@tedzehnder961]

I like the shape and the light package.

[@Pandamasque]

Important quistion: if your LMH car's aero efficiency wildly varies with ride height, how do you choose the ride height for the FIA wind tunnel test mandatory for homologation?! Did they homologate the car at a ride height too low to pull off on most tracks? Why not remove those draggy elements, jack up the car and homologate it at a heigher more concervative ride height with less DF/drag? Also, do FIA scutineers check ride height, other than through wear of plank/blocks/whatever? This could be an aera to exploit, if someone manages to race their car set up lower than during the FIA test.

[@gtone339]

Next year Peugeot might revise the 9X8 with aero updates

[@cloud6074]

Quik fix here! Add rear wing.

[@SweetGameplays]

and they got better at Le Mans, very good in wet conditions, very close to success. and this is only a beginning.

[@RIKDDY]

2.6 L V6? It could've been bigger. The toyota and ferrari just pull away on the straights at Le Mans. I love the look of the 9X8. Just needs more power.

[@pauloag1977]

I like the look of the 9x8

[@stargazeronesixseven]

Peugeot 9x8 LMH Hypercar ended at 6th or 7th in the Prestigious 24Hour Le Mans 2023 Annual Race ... Time for Peugeot to put back the adjustable Rear Wing & their Good Luck Talisman Stylized Standing Proud Silver Lion Mascot onto their Sportcars that brought so much WRC Championship Fame & Good Fortunes to Peugeot in their past sporting campaigns! 🕯🌷🌿🌎💜🕊🇫🇷

[@johnjones928]

I was rooting for them but in the back of my mind I thought this could be a possibility, they've essentially built a track specific car that may not even work on said track.

[@rosgoncharuk2403]

The whole point of ground effect, the way it is now in F1, is to reduce the dirty air and benefit the following cars. So why would Peugeot want to make it easier to follow them? This makes no sense that out of all the options available they choose the one that's benefiting their opponents the most... And don't get me started on downforce consistency...

[@onemobil3423]

Peugeot has their own way to their race!

[@arthurteo8111]

The best looking car of all.

[@ltmcolen]

Vergis ik mij nu of hoor ik daar een zeer subtiele Nederlandse invloed? I enjoyed the content!

[@christianhorn8811]

They need more time... and the should take themselves the time to develope on the car things to solve these problems like for example an active aero Element at the rear or a supsension, witch is mich stiffer, like that on an F1 car. We just can hope, that they won't give up on such a gr8 piece of engineering

[@misterdog7]

Love its looks, shame it doesn't really work good that far.

[@WilsonCo.]

they need to do what the teams in f1 are doing so the air creates vortices around the edges of the floor sealing off the lower pressure underneath

[@HandsUpforThePanther]

Their marketing campaign was utter genius but no one would bat an eyelid if they added a small wing

[@NielsHeusinkveld]

It is also the only car on 310mm wide front and rear vs 290 and 340 for the others. 4wd has effectively become useless as you can only use it above 190? kmh according to the regs. They have a bit less rear traction as a result, on top of maybe the aero gamble.

[@ruzgarakgul2051]

The minimum hybrid activation speed is 120 kmh but it is subject to BoP. For peugeot it’s 150 kmh because: 1-)Only the cars that entered before 2023 could use equal width tyres like the GR010 and 007. For unequal width tyres this minimum speed is 190 km/h 2-) toyota actually ran equal width tyres in 2021 but because glickenhaus couldn’t put the power down on track like the toyota their minimum act. speed got raised to 150, then it got raised to 190 kmh under bop so it made zero sense to have equal tyres because the fronts were underworked and rears were overworked

[@wolfthiel1894]

The increase in rear tire size after Peugeot already committed to a floor design hurt them too

[@crusre]

really interested about the 499P

[@xXxDeamonlordxXx]

Two things about that build... First, even if its built for Le Mans, being unable to adept proprly to other racetracks is a huge problem for the concept itself. Also, for me, a race car for asphalt without rear wing doesn't look complete. I like rear wings, and i like them big, if the car performs good enough to give them reason to be there.

[@reallyluckyoaklawn8306]

Why doesn’t your video mention the car was introduced in 2022? It raced at Monza, Fuji and Bahrain in 2022 WEC! It was on the front row at Bahrain last November! What is all this talk of a car being late, when it had a 3 race development lead on its new to WEC, 2023 rivals? Do not understand a video that makes no mention of this history of the car? Really strange.

[@jamesarmstrong-jones5082]

They put too much effort into the lights on the front

[@basrouleaux2907]

A design out of the box can also mean a design out of competition... I think this is the case here 😮

[@cedricg5108]

We have seen this already, a manufacturer comes with a new concept and think they have re-invented the wheel. Wether it is Peugeot here, Mercedes in F1 or Nissan with their front wheel drive or delta wing cars. I am as excited by innovation as anyone else but the thing is when this many teams with their brillant engineers go for a similar car configuration it is not because they lack imagination, it is because it is the best way within the regulations, at least.

[@seanbarron5231]

I think it’s the LEGO curse. Mercedes w-13, McLaren MCL36, now the PEUGEOT 9X8

[@jameshayzen8157]

Are they using ground effect, i think they are but those tunnels underneath look way too small for air to be compressed and accelated. Is ground effect also banned in wec?

[@curious_ember]

its a cool idea overall.. but that rear aero profile is just too low.. like i get that theyre going for a more 'floor based' downforce.. but even then, with the front profile.. i dont feel like its getting enough air unless they raise the rear ride height.. they dont need to add a huge wing, but thay rear wing profile needs to changed some

[@SpeederSiehtAlles]

Looking good form them in the 24h

[@olivierstultiens]

What do you think is special about the 2 older peugeot le mans prototypes? Honest question to see your view on it.

[@skyhigh6089]

Nothing. The 905 succeeded because all the competitors abandoned the 3.5 liter formula. And the 908 tried a lot of times to beat Audi but succeeded only once.

[@regibson23]

The fact they ever thought it would work is what's crazy.