Peugeot e-208 1000 km challenge in Norway

When you're charging and you power on the car, the consumption number in trip goes down. I kept the car powered off every time I charged until the 12 V reset at Circle K Grelland. So the consumption number until that point is correct (I added 1 Wh/km).
But the consumption number for the last part at 31:13 (311 km) is too low because I kept the car running with HVAC on during charging towards the end. You simply don't get 138 Wh/km with e-208 at an average speed of 106 km/h :P
The total consumption is then estimated based on the trip before the 12 V reset.
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[@slartybartfarst9737]

The only EV tester with consistency and real world road tripping tests, that takes a lot of effort. 1000km is a good test of an EV distance capabilities. All EVs rattle round the city and do the day to day commute we know that, its the distance capability we need to know. Thats why we have DIN Bjorn cutting out the BS Bull Sheeeeet.

[@dollorbit1612]

Hello Bjorn, I like the 1000 km challenge spreadsheet at the end of the video. It would be very nice if you could add 2 columns : - number of stops - cumulative stop time Your work is awesome, congratulations !!!

[@marceloribeiro181]

Hello Bjorn. Thanks for all your videos. I am from Brazil and love EV cars but in my country there are something like 5 charge points.. I know, it sucks.. Huge country and no money (and a lot of other problems). Thanks for the the richest content, the funny times you provide us and all the quality and unbiased information. Keep up the good work! Thanks!

[@demoniack81]

@Alex Andrei Why do you people always assume "charge at home" is an option? The vast majority of people living in cities in Europe don't have a garage.

[@andresamartins26]

@@demoniack81 I think it is because the main comment is from a Brazilian guy, and here in Brazil it is normal to have a garage for at least 2 cars, even if you live in a condo/apartment.

[@dan_6915]

This guy is a monster ! Sitting in a car for 12 hours

[@pavel8754]

Thank you Bjørn for your contribution for EV community!

[@trevorstafford1375]

I think it’s great that your charging stations have windscreen washing facilities

[@tea_and_crumpets6919]

Where the hell are you from that you don't have them? I live in eastern Europe and even our petrol stations have windscreen washing options :D

[@Noujiin]

@@tea_and_crumpets6919 Well that's exactly the point. The petrol stations have them, but no electric charging stations.

[@rud]

Norway, the land of fast chargers.

[@artokiiskinen1058]

These 1kkm challenges are the best - Björn: your Tesla m3sr+ 1kkm test was the reason for me to order one.

[@gsing92]

Same ;D

[@OenkePoenke]

1kkm is way tooooooo long to type, just say Mm (no number, cause just the unit means one) ;-)

[@lrasmussen1457]

Same!

[@fehlix5134]

congratz!

[@Jinguapingi]

1kkm = 1Mm :D

[@MrGonzonator]

"We will start exactly at nein" - nein nein nein!

[@parise35]

...so much nein it's almost ten!!

[@Jefff72]

That's like when 12 guys were bothering a German woman and she said Nein! So three of them left.

[@MichaelEricMenk]

10:00 Bjørn:"I'm not sure if they share the power..." The 150kW fast chargers to Grønn Kontakt have dynamic power balancing, and the 150kW is shared between them. If you have the AC option, 4 cars can charge at the same time. The CCS cable comes in a 200A and 400A option. The single sided charger can also charge two cars on DC at the same time, but there is less flexibility due to max 3 cables.

[@FXavierDiazLuccini]

Nice review as always. Thanks for you work!!!

[@carlomorischi3435]

Thanks bjorn, this is all I was waiting for!

[@jhonedoe3734]

Great tests and you seem to be a very nice person 🙂 keep it up!

[@AnthonyWoodruffe]

The 208 looks so good... Fantastic Video Bjørn . Looks like I'm probably just about to get a 2008e for Wifey as she needs a little more room

[@fateful30stm]

So calming to watch these kind of videos, thank you! I'm about to own this car, but the petrol version. In my country you can't find many charging stations so it would not be smart to buy the electric version I guess 🤔 but I hope it is still a great car!

[@Mgoblagulkablong]

Imo Hyundai Ioniq is the best, great value, very efficient. Most people pay way too little attention to aerodynamics, the Ioniq proves how much of a difference that makes for EVs.

[@tbnzet]

That's only true for the classic 28 kWh Ioniq, the newer 38 kWh version is much worse on long trips. e-208 beats it by a big distance.

[@eirikvoss9555]

Veldig gøy å se alle videoene du lager

[@DG-uv3zw]

We need two more tests. Mg and Zoe in nice weather! MG in Thailand was very efficient and Zoe in nice weather has also much better results! MG can charge almost as fast as e208!

[@ivancajka732]

Awesome video as always

[@jakobjug6954]

Thank you 👍

[@Muppetkeeper]

I love that you think that is traffic. I'm completing an application to live in your country now, just due to your video :-)

[@markbootsma2694]

Great video

[@gathonar]

Brilliant thanks

[@pigedehekkan]

I love the route, all over the place. Pretty much how I roll 🙃

[@Gashvah]

very nice video!

[@kyril3125]

Nice one Ninja!!

[@DopeyDalek]

Wow that charging area at the start sure puts the feeble efforts in the UK to shame. We think ourselves lucky if we get 2 chargers in the same area.

[@Haveagrated]

Sadly I have to agree 100%. My town centre charger is single 50kW unit. 5 years past and still the same unit there. Nothing changed in 5 years only we got 10xEVs in my town now.

[@ThomasHOL]

Its the same her in Denmark. When they put up chargers they put one or 2 and most of them are 50 KW. but at least Denmark is a Small country so you can travel across the country on one or 2 charges :-)

[@decimal1815]

Getting better now in the UK in 2023.. just about 5 years behind Norway :)

[@AnanananChin]

Breaking the law like a ninja !

[@othmane767]

Hello big fan from Morocco. Just one question, is it better than Renault Zoe?

[@Djeseret]

Nice, Have wondered about these instruments, Now I see that they are a messy soup... Lots of information on a small area compressed together, indistinct symbols, hard to see clearly, easy and fast. It is even ugly when the sun is shining on the screen. This is a disaster... destroying the whole car - and yet all love... these instruments... How is that even possible...

[@decimal1815]

e-208 charges fast on CCS, so I wonder if that gets over-used by owners? Would be interesting to measure degradation of these 2020 models now in 2023.

[@randomrud]

Sadly I haven't seen one on the road yet in Denmark, they don't even show up in sales numbers. I wonder when they will be available.

[@iastelito]

Hi Bjorn from Spain! I would love to see a competition between the Id 3 and this e 208 or others in the same level of price (nissan leaf maybe?). Good job!

[@doniv7926]

And the seat elborn when it's arrives

[@suprememaxpayne]

No number of charges in the excel sheet? :(

[@luisag763]

Very good result!

[@alfredogonzalez1280]

I did not understand the 12v battery problem/fix. Night cruising is not as entertaining. I love to see the landscape and the marvelous Norwegian infrastructure !!!

[@Werterson]

Bjorn - what tire pressure was there? Could do a comparison of consumption on a 20 km stretch in the same direction 1. normal tire pressure for one person in a car 2. tire pressure for a e-208 filled with banans up to the roof Of course in both cases only you inside.

[@Mistr_A]

1am and still twilight, unbelievable

[@DarkLordZewo]

holy hell...what did you do at 12:12 to get consumption so high :O

[@JYYY100]

I just bought one of these and i know what that "charging problem" is about. To charge, central locking needs to be activated to lock charging cable to the car. I also noticed from your video that the automatic central locking is active, so when you take keys away from the car, it locks doors automatically. And when you again take keys near to the car, it automatically opens central locking and interrupts charging. Extremely stupid phenomena.... I also noticed this problem and changed central locking setup from cars display so the central locking works only from pressing buttons from the key. And yes, you cannot charge while being inside of the car because you have to lock doors from the outside (cannot lock from the dash when you are in the car with keys). Otherwise love the car and you videos are very entertaining and useful!

[@JYYY100]

Or at least this is how my car works. It is 2020 model.

[@itsfahys]

The Video and Sound Quality is a lot better than recent Videos. Are these High resolution recordings or new equipment ?

[@bjornnyland]

Same equipment I have used for the past few years...

[@itsfahys]

@@bjornnyland That's intersting as I saw other comments about quality of the videos.

[@kardy12]

You could do a 1000km test with your Model 3 in Norway, that should give you a benchmark to see how much slower the Norway route is compared to the Sweden route.

[@pinoyviking77]

How much did it cost you for this trip when it comes to charging fees?

[@flyingernst]

Will there be a 1000km run with the Taycan?

[@phonehoppy]

Hi Bjørn, is your 1000-km-challenge results list somewhere online for download? Is it updated every time you do this test?

[@bjornnyland]

Video description is your friend...

[@shockwave1xD]

Please also do eUp 2020 1000km Challenge. Would be interesting to see how fast you can go 1000km with one of the cheapest EVs out there. Also how efficiency comes into play compared to eGolf!

[@shockwave1xD]

@Alex Andrei because the production capacities are too small. There were way too many orders for them to produce in a short time period. If you order now you'll get the car end 2021. That's why they stopped orders for now. Also because the 9k incentive in Germany will end then. We have a Seat Mii electric. Nice car for what it is. Took it on a 1800km roadtrip through Germany in summer.

[@bertchalmers]

Do you have a playlist with all the tunes from customer service hotlines??

[@bjornnyland]

I never called them?

[@Dogman68]

it depends on the automatic locking system I now lock the car myself after connecting the cable in the car to the charger and activating it. now I have no problem with the handshake anymore.

[@kremepye3613]

Same problem with 2022 e niro

[@edogeerlof282]

@Björnnyland: nice video als allways What if you had the choice between the e-soul and the e208 in case you had one child? And why choose for that? I would like to hear your opnion because I do have to make this choice and after watching your videos for the last years I'm convinced you are the most experienced ev driver that drove different ev's for a serious distance.

[@ShirazChanawala]

When you loose charging does the car not notify you?

[@MrFreddiew1]

The trucks are sleeping!

[@gulvplank]

Kommer du til å teste x peng p7?

[@lowdee]

How about a head-to-head between e-208 and Zoe? Similar price point cars

[@JoseMoreiraMarmoe]

Hi Bjørn. How about a trip Oslo-Stockholm?

[@bjornnyland]

Ehh, no?

[@VesaGuardian]

We just bought one. I tried to find how to see the state of charge, I couldn´t. Thought that I was just dumb. I wasn´t. We are going for our 800 km challenge from Helsinki to Kuusamo. That will take 14 hours (sarcasm warning) here in the promised land of fast chargers... From Oulu to Kuusamo it appears to be kinda dry...

[@arthemis1039]

Maybe you can get using an OBD reader ?

[@Kupsberg]

Just tap the end of your wiper arm and the IC shows the battery state of charge (=SOC) 😉👍🏻

[@marceloribeiro181]

This SHIIIEEET about reset the 12v battery to charge it is a bummer.

[@marceloribeiro181]

I hope it is really only this vehicle. A lot of Peugeot and Citroen cars had eletric problems.

[@InfanteBoy]

After 2 years what is the current kWh/100km?

[@philippefagnant1841]

Why not cruze around at 100kmh,maybe your consumsion would be lower and you would have charged less often?

[@artokiiskinen1058]

he has answered this question in previous tests already - the faster way to 1000km is to drive faster. at least if the car supports hi power charging. Not sure about AC zoe.

[@bjornnyland]

Good question! But the fact is that going at 120 km/h will cut down the travel time by a lot. And I timed that each pit stop only cost me 2 minute overhead. This car charges so fast that it still pays off to cruise at 120 km/h and take more stops.

[@philippefagnant1841]

@@artokiiskinen1058 for a car that is efficient like m3 or a ioniq i agree but for a car that is not very efficient but as a good charging speed...i dont know

[@Vercixx]

​@@philippefagnant1841 it takes 60 min to travel 100km at 100km/h and 50 min at 120km/h. That's a 10 min difference. According to Bjorn's range test video, the e208 consumes 241 wh/km at 120 km/h and 154 wh/km at 90 km/h, so I expect aprox 175 wh/km at 100 km/h. That's 64 wh/km difference at 100 km/h vs 120 km/h which for a 100 km distance totals 6400 wh or 6.4 kwh. In this video, at the 2nd stop, charging from 8%, it charged 2.43 kw in 2 min, so 6.4 kw would take aprox 6 min. Considering you arrive earlier by 10 min, you gain 4 min at 120 km/h. Maybe a bit less because you'll have to charge longer to replenish all of your consumption (assume next leg is of the same length) and the charging speed gets lower. But you can also be more thorough in calculation and arrive at the charging station with a battery state of charge of 2-3% to compensate.

[@asaha7547]

@@Vercixx nice calculations! Basically to compensate extra 6,4 kWh while arriving 10 min (1/6 h) faster you need to charge at least at 6,4 / 1/6 = 38,4 kW, which e208 does till 72% SOC, but ideally you should do only if you can get needed range while charging to 66% SOC (52 kW)

[@rustyjoints4857]

How do you think the E208 would fare in winter like some of the other 1000km challenges?

[@xabcyabc9230]

Well, it may take 80 days, drive 20 km each day

[@bernardhilton3527]

Brilliant. Now PLEASE get hold of a Corsa e and let’s see the difference.

[@EpicJonT]

Practically the same I think, body shape will affect it though!

[@CoolSilver]

Yea the parking lines and chargers are never setup perfect for every car. In fact they are usually setup to be the most annoying. Charging a Tesla with CHAdeMO with station to side like Ionity and Electrify America is just a fail every time

[@FrikandelBroodje69]

What mode do you drive in? Eco, normal or sport? Is there any difference in the modes in average consumption?

[@bjornnyland]

Normal mode which it defaults to every time I start the car.

[@FrikandelBroodje69]

@@bjornnyland Do you notice any difference in average consumption when enabling eco or sport?

[@bjornnyland]

No

[@DG-uv3zw]

@@FrikandelBroodje69 Eco mode is useful during acceleration, not on motorway...(except for Taycan with active aero...)

[@FrikandelBroodje69]

@@DG-uv3zw Yeah I figured, but perhaps there was a minimal difference :)

[@stanleychung88]

So many chargers.

[@puper84]

Great video, but: more advertisements during the video please!

[@mielflorea]

min 21:00 all the peugeto e-208 say the some, the peugeot have problems. read the forums of owners. this is whay I don't sure if i like to bought one.

[@guitarbackingtracks4386]

Looking at the spreadsheet I’m sure that the Kona would fair much better at the same temperature, you are losing a good 15% range at 0c...

[@DG-uv3zw]

Zoe also, Mg also... Unfortunately, its not ideal...we only have one Bjorn :)

[@zuldo8577]

I mean its a good test to do 1000 km but you only drive around Oslo where there is the highest density of superchargers. Id like to see you do a trip to northern Norway, 1000 km one way.

[@bjornnyland]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKqonp57o5x_g6M

[@MacGyver1908]

🍿🥤🍿🥤🍿🤩

[@Haveagrated]

Agree completely :D Peugeot looks good, drive well. I bet ladies will love it all around the world. I am just a bit worried about French&Electric duo ha ha Dobrej nocy!

[@iankaye9801]

The spreadsheet Bjorn shows 2 62 kW hour Leafs, unless my eyes deceive me

[@bjornnyland]

Two different tests.

[@tomp66]

999!

[@dmomcilovic9185]

8 advert breaks in 30 minutes, you gotta be joking, UNWATCHABLE

[@ThomasHOL]

I personally want to support the good youtubers so they can deliver content. And you can skip them after lige 5 seconds.

[@bjornnyland]

Do you prefer that I waste 1-2 minutes in each video talking about sponsored content?

[@waldemarferens]

Good car, great narration but you need to practise parking between lines. OCD kicking in 😊

[@rubenbraekman4515]

Where I live a fast charger is about 20 away from me and charging costs €10/100km and I drive about 100km every day so I would have to pay way more for electricity than gas 🤷‍♂️😳 I have a feeling like I want to own an electric car but it's just the worse option for me 😭

[@mondotv4216]

Can you not charge at home? I know if you live in a flat can be impossible. But that rate is a bit silly - thats like 60 - 80 euro cents per kWh depending on vehicle.

[@_Rafiki.]

Add to that EV's still cost way more the there petrol/diesel equivalents. Although I want one sooner, I'll wait another year or two for prices to come down a little

[@xanthuumnihyr5319]

100km per day isn't that much. You might get away with charging at home. And it's quite cheap !

[@rubenbraekman4515]

@@xanthuumnihyr5319 home charging sounds interesting indeed 🤔

[@mondotv4216]

Ruben Braekman If you assume you have the most inefficient EV on market (worst case scenario) you’re still going to get 4km to the kWh, so 100km is going to use 25kWh (that’s extremely pessimistic). Most EVs have a minimum 7kWh AC charger onboard, so you’d replace that in about 4 hours.

[@RadioactiveSaddam]

You forgot to say "Kilowattstunden" 7 times.

[@xabcyabc9230]

At the gas stations I see on my way to work, there's exactly zero chargers of any kind. And I'm in a developed country

[@hansmeyer7225]

Xabc Yabc a developed country? Really?

[@xabcyabc9230]

6:10 Well, that's what you get with unreliable systems. If you had left the car out "to charge" for 2 hours. you had lost 2 hours.

[@arianst8]

Have the same problem with the e 208 fast charging, (norsk foresten) have nothing to do with the auto lock thing, dont have it on My car, still the same problems like u had.

[@icemankimi6852]

Hey! Today, I have became the same problem... What was your solution And how often do you have this problem? Is there a regularity? I have now almost 7000 km down.

[@fredrikschanche6208]

Bjørn, you seem to care about being precise in the way you arrange. You say you added 40% in 17 minutes, when you start at 10% that would have been 14%, not 50%... the right way would have been to say percentage points, not percent?

[@Arcturus367]

Only Germans have to be that precise

[@bjornnyland]

Nitpicking

[@Maximiliano.Montero]

The bug appears when the car reaches 999 Wh/km. Simply the car can't support 4 digits for consumption... just kidding

[@bassbacke]

How long does a car like this charge with a charge rate at or below 11 kW until it reaches 100%? If it's awfully long one could charge the last part on a regular Type 2 AC charger. Then again, in this case it looked like most/all 150 kW charging points were free. Just wondered in case it was more crowded.

[@bjornnyland]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKvOmnR3hNGsi9U

[@bassbacke]

​@@bjornnyland Unless I missed something that charge ended at 90% in the video. It started charging only at 11 kW or below at minute 41 and 85% SOC but the question remains how long would it take for the last 15%? I suppose something in the general area of another 40 minutes but since you got the footage perhaps you got it until the end?

[@Hans-gb4mv]

It's the reason why for example the Ioniq stops charging at 94% at a fast charger. From that point onwards, you should switch to slow AC charging as that is the max. power the car will take anyway.

[@bassbacke]

@@Hans-gb4mv The question was not "is it good practise to charge to 100%?". It generally isn't. However, I fully understand why Bjørn wants to charge 100% before a 1000 km challenge so the question remains how long does it take at or below the AC charging speed since if it's long enough it might be worth using an AC charger if needed. This is just hypothetical as it was clearly not necessary in this situation.

[@martinopdahl1813]

Fy søren, 13 og 14 kr drivstoff? Nå er det jo 22 og 24 kr drivstoff

[@TorIvanBoine]

And I use 15 hours on a 1000km stretch with an ICE car 😂(Ringebu - Bodø) I managed it without refueling though💪

[@xabcyabc9230]

Hmm, I would need 90 seconds of refueling for that though, my petrol car uses quite somewhat fuel.

[@jur4x]

@@xabcyabc9230 mine doesn't use a lot, but it has small tank. So I would need one top up as well.

[@xabcyabc9230]

25:10 I'm not bothered by it, but if you like to show us you can't park, just do it man. It's good nobody has to park next to you, but when that is the case, you'll need to adjust.

[@bjornnyland]

Go watch this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lWfInJl9mZKDkNU

[@hamfish225]

I worry the Norwegian police will watch your videos one day and give you a speeding ticket :P

[@bjornnyland]

The Norwegian police watches my videos.

[@xabcyabc9230]

Or a parking ticket :)

[@iwatchyouburn]

Will we ever see the ampera E/Bolt 1000 km challenge?

[@Hans-gb4mv]

I doubt it, there aren't that many Ampera-E's in Europe and they are not getting sold anymore, so also no press car available.

[@DG-uv3zw]

New Bolt is so good, that they had to remove it from sale in Europe. It had potential to disrupt the market... Same with ioniq 38, where they deliberately reduced the charging speed...

[@KristoferOlsson]

@@DG-uv3zw Thats not true. GM sold Opel and have no dealers for Chevy in Europe. GM have tried to sell chevy and other brands in Europe but they fail every time.

[@Xyronium]

Why do you never park normaly? You are always off the lines taking more than one parking space.

[@bjornnyland]

Watch and learn: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lWfInJl9mZKDkNU

[@Xyronium]

@@bjornnyland So basically you are saying that electric cars gets paint damage when charging and as result of that they require 2 parking spots each? I thought this channel was suppose to convinced that EV are good idea...

[@janinejudong989]

you gave me just a reason for buy no e-car, tomany lost in time for the charges and tomany charges for that distance,and tomany organisation, for find a good charger, surein countries where less of these charge stations are

[@coalabear]

15:10 555

[@olivetom1410]

When I see all the charging stations you have in Norway, I Wonder when we'll have half of it in France...

[@benedikt5974]

I would be happy to see half of half the amount in Germany! Norway really is impressive!

[@DogsBAwesome]

I've just ordered it's sister the corsa-e but it;s going to be a pootle about car, I doubt it will do many long journeys though the fast charging will be nice if I have to. I prefer the look of the corsa than the 208 it's not got that horrid bulbous nose.

[@13partnership]

Maybe the 12-Volt-Killswitch is the most important feature of an Peugeot? And why the heck is this car so thirsty?

[@Jefff72]

I'm American and jag var i Sverige 2006 och jag älskade det. I had to get a little help from my friend Google.

[@MacBaerFFM]

too many charger drop outs...looks as if PSA has to update their software

[@xabcyabc9230]

Or forget about the whole thing

[@philipwatson7883]

Why can’t you park the car in a space properly 🤪

[@bjornnyland]

Go watch this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lWfInJl9mZKDkNU

[@kikisan692]

Make it 10 000 km

[@stefanschulthess5397]

Eh, for such a small car it's quite thirsty...

[@artontransport]

fransk mökk!!!!

[@xabcyabc9230]

Driving at night ... well, it's just another way to disturb facts. During the day you will spend time in the trfaffic jam, where the electric cars continue to use lots of energy, and the chargers are all occupied because there are so few. Nicely done man

[@bjornnyland]

You missed the main point. Look at average speed. Only a bit above 100 km/h. And that's even at night. You can imagine how it would be during day. As for lower temperature, not much I can do. Sweden is not an option.

[@CaroAbebe]

Xabc Yabc, in traffic jams EVs do *NOT* use “a lot of energy”, while their ICE counterparts do.

[@The_Jimrod]

I'm not sure why there are so many variables with EV battery/range standard measurements - everyone seems to use a different system. I have no idea what this wh/km/100km stuff means really - my i3 uses mi/kwh which seems to make most sense in the old MPG terms. I know if I average 3.5m/kwh and I have a 38kwh usable battery my range = 133m. Seems easy.

[@srenhornum5004]

Would be nice to see the Model 3 in summer with dry weather on 250kw charger, just saying :)

[@bjornnyland]

Not enough v3 supercharger yet. Only one is in Liertoppen.

[@srenhornum5004]

Bjørn Nyland yeah unfortunately :( But a loop past there at night might make it possible? Otherwise it’ll be a nice video for the future :)