Race between Peugeot e-208 and Hyundai Ioniq 28 kWh

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[@gerbre1]

After one year and 21.000 km with my Ioniq, there hasn't been a charging issue with the car. I still can recommend it. The only issue I had was an unwanted noise coming from the mounting of the back seats, which I could fix with a tape. What still surprises me the most, if you switch off recuperation and use sailing only, how long it takes to get slower. If there is a small decline, the car holds it speed without any energy loss. It is still the efficiency king.

[@joopvanroy6599]

Same with my Model 3 if you put it in Neutral while driving. It feels unreal. Electric drivetrain ftw!

[@ThePeterOlausson]

Got a hold of a classic Ioniq befire they were off the market and man am I satisfied. Such a great EV and super efficient.

[@pallibj]

I have one since 4th of February 2019. It has today (4th of June 2020) 47.500 km on the odometer. The efficiency is almost unreal but having sayd that, this is probably the worst car I have ever owned,and I have owned 36 cars. Even 1987 Dodge Aries was better to sit in 😢 And that is the car that almost got the Chrysler factory bankrupt. The worst car I say, yes. Terrible to drive on those Energy saver tires, and not better on the Continental ContiContact 7 winter tires. (I guess I could blame the tires for that) Seating position for me (I'm 200 cm tall) is not good for me. Small space in the trunk, terrible road noise, stupid design to have the front axle lighter than the rear axel and a lot of other things I'm not going to mention here. You might ask if I didn't test before I bought it, and the answer is yes, I did. But not good enough 🙁 I can't wait to get my Model Y and I would very gladly loan it to Bjørn to do some tests on it...... EXCEPT OFF ROAD TEST.... because he has shown us that he can't the "off-roading" 🤣😂 Sorry Bjørn, no offence 🙂

[@Tomaskom]

This race and the 1k challenges played a big role when deciding to buy my first EV a year back! Had to rewatch it now. I got the e-208, as with the charge curve update it instantly becomes way more compelling. I always immensely respected the classic Ioniq, but wanted something more compact and the higher base range also covers most of my use cases without need for any charge stop. I also did a 2200km roadtrip to Serbia in it, had a great time. Thank you for all the superb content 🙂

[@tomooo2637]

The early e208 charging modules had problems, this was recognised quickly by Peugeot and the units were updated and newer cars don't have this issue.

[@pigedehekkan]

Love your races. Nice to see some different routes showing real life traffic.

[@aqm1992]

The hatchback shape create a lot of drag on e-208 instead of smooth ass shape sloping roofline of the ioniq

[@maciejmaecki7003]

Nice video, nice to see polish and Thai cooperation! I'm waiting for more. Paweł więcej pewności siebie!! Fajnie się Was ogląda! Czekam na więcej.

[@onlineo2263]

Got to love any video featuring Pawel. Lovely chap.

[@batandball617]

Yet again more proof that the Classic Ioniq punches well above it weight. What a great little car!

[@RoaldHemel35]

Pawel & Björn: thx for the interesting (and “dull”) race. Happy that the 12v battery reset was the solution. Could not thank Pawel because his live stream was off when the race resumed.

[@robi458m]

Grettings from Poland 🇵🇱 :)

[@14all41]

Both cars look resplendent in those super-nice colours. 😎

[@proxyma4465]

Perfect timing

[@SamiHentunen]

Finally a compelling small EV. Can't wait for the e2008 test next.

[@renegerritsen6178]

@@jazdan223 It is kind of telling this is the first EV I've seen a video of showing how to reset it and what do you know: it's a French EV. My parents drove Citroën for decades, but switched to Toyota a few years after I had to bail them out with my old Toyota Corolla (their C5 broke down on the way to the airport and my sister would have missed her flight). Since then, they only had a flat battery once, just after they bought it. No other issues in 6-7 years now.

[@clemenshochreiter9262]

I really like your races - keep going on with this testing format. I would love to see the Ioniq 38kWh vs the e2008.

[@michaelpries960]

Ketchup wins, mustard got 2. place - because the IONIQ is an old car and still can match a brand new car. 😉👍

[@raxybenex2]

bjorn and pawel, the laurel and hardy of ev race entertainment! big aplause! ! see you 2 soon.

[@JurreSI]

I've owned a Peugeot e-208 as well for close to a year now, and have had many charging issues as well. Car has been back to the dealership multiple times, it's working again. But sometimes still stops charging without a reason. Also the app doesn't work most of the time, so I am unable to check the charging state or pre heat. Based on your video it seems like it's an overall issue with the e-208, just like the high power consumption. Thank you for putting in the time to show the real world use.

[@kardy12]

Polish math vs Asian math - go! :) Great to see you back to doing these videos again.

[@twiper]

Shokomelk donated money : let's stop the race and eat ice cream :D

[@SylverWWA]

What is indeed really exciting is that the old Ioniq is still holding up against today's competition in the same league. It is such a shame that Hyundai screwed up the new version... that 39kWh configuration should be sent to hell, whether if it is in an Ioniq, a Kona or a Niro!

[@eruma]

It's probably not the front which affext the aerodynamics but the teil - the lower the less turbulence.

[@Two4OneMusic]

Good Point. But the Front cooler is also stopping a lot of air. Unfortunately Peugeot’s Front cooling system is still Open :( (PSA Plattform -> can built Electro and gas on the Same Platform)

[@riker158]

Ioniq efficiency with e208 battery would be dope

[@rafaelo1]

Imagine Ioniq with 64 kWh battery from Hyundai Kona.

[@xanthuumnihyr5319]

Dont forget bigger batteries means higher weight, which means more rolling resistance and less efficiency

[@micl2003]

Hello, Bjørn since the Ioniq is so efficient. I would be really interested in a race between an old Model S (limited supercharging) and the Ioniq. Also maybe an comparison afterwards too see how long it would have taken with a newer Model S. Thank you for your videos i always enjoy watching them. Keep up the good work.

[@briandowling8372]

Oh that Taycan... yes please. Damn.

[@markvalentiner-branth6215]

Holy shit just had the exact same issue with my e 208 (and the same solution) thank you björn

[@bjornnyland]

Damn, thank you for the feedback. It's not just a one car issue then.

[@christophersherrington5412]

Ioniq 28kWh is King!!!!

[@Isaac-un4cn]

This is why you should only buy car models that are Bjorn-approved :D

[@esenel92]

e-208 has the battery + charging behavior ioniq 2020 should have had.. (other than the charge failure XD)

[@correiodozecarlos]

Once again nice work. I will prefer to see a comparation between 208 and ioniq 2020 model, because are most like power and baterry size iquals. Maybe you also prefer too. Otherwise it was a good comparation and thanks.

[@cheechU38K]

Peugeot reset for the win!!! 😜 French Easter egg 😂

[@hg60justice]

so, the 208 a little faster charging at the bottom end, but less efficient. fun little toss up race.

[@tesla-spectre]

Given that the 208 has a nearly double as big battery one should have assumed that it wins easily but bsolutely not. Ioniq Cöassic is still the beast!🎉

[@daniellisy7161]

Ioniq is just so efficient, it really shows the size of the battery is not the whole story :)

[@pierremorant8885]

The Ioniq is just as good as the charging infrastructure. Everyday usage, Ioniq is perfect. For long hauls, Ioniq is perfect in Germany, Switzerland, Norway ....

[@Hans-gb4mv]

Still happy with my Ioniq, still regret not getting it in red. And let's be honest here, the Ioniq would have won from the 208 if at the last charge stop he stopped charging at 80%. Those last 10 points are extremely slow to charge.

[@castome7pi]

The longitude of the Ionic is what makes it efficient on roads, small cars have turbulence on the back I think. But it's the opposite arrond cities, where the small weight of small cars is more important than air drag.

[@muizenissen]

True, although the E208 is heavier than the Ioniq by a significant margin (+100kg at least).

[@jan-erikeriksson1747]

I already watched the livestream on Saturday but this video was nice entertainment. I am thinking of changing car but a little afraid of all new cars that have so many electronics functions, especially the low volt for the 12 volt battery in both EV and fossil cars can probably cause problems for me.

[@moestrei]

I would say a modern fossil has many more points of failures than an electric has. Moving parts in electric motor: Two bearings. Moving parts in ice engine: Hundreds. Every car has a separate 12V system, fossil or electric. From all I hear Hyundai EVs are ultra reliable doing 100000km with not even a light bulb failing.

[@francisgaliegue6645]

I still want to see the Geilo test with a Raven Long Range Model S... On a single charge :p That it can do it in summer is imnsho a given, but I bet it can also do it in winter...

[@66levo]

The 28kw Ioniq is still king. What an amazing car.

[@bjornnyland]

*28 kWh

[@davids.6671]

Its simply the length of the car. If the p had the same roofline as the I . The consumption will nearly the same. But you won't be able to use the rear seats and the trunk ... 30 cm can change a lot ;)

[@altern8ive]

15:39 Warp drive enabled down that entry slip road 😂

[@thenerd6192]

Peugeot had a 4-year headstart, almost double the battery capacity, faster charging, and a smaller car, but they still can’t beat the classic Ioniq?

[@stickysquirrel5687]

Most cars struggle against it. Especially in the efficiency department.

[@Alex-tj1zo]

Absolutely true. Especially considering how fast the EV technology evolves... This would have been an equal race between cars from same year. In this case Ioniq shows superiority

[@Tommy-vj2mc]

Hyundai needs to make a liquid cooled battery pack, with about 50 kWh for the Ioniq. That way it can even compete with the Model 3 SR+.

[@harsimranbansal5355]

Tommy only if Hyundai was actually compelled to make desirable EVs. It will happen, just not soon!

[@Royalty46]

We also have the classic red/orange ioniq. 40k on it now. Very happy with it, it was a good decision. Haven't had a single problem with it, only that the wife drove it down to 0 km remaining range, but that's not the car's problem. Probably going for a MG ZS EV when the lease is over.

[@karla6999]

All I can say is: "I love my Ioniq" Its not perfect, but it does the things, it is suposed to do, very well.

[@dantoes1]

This isnt good for the reputation of French cars😂, all jokes aside nice video Björn.

[@MartinTetik]

This may be proud that the new coming lexus with air cooling may work more than sufficiently.

[@jerrym1401]

Only thing that is missing on your channel is ioniq summer range test.

[@Hans-gb4mv]

I got mine down to 8.4kWh/100km today. Couple of days ago I had driven 66km and the SoC was reporting 80%, giving a theoretical maximum of 330km. Not possible in reality, but it goes to show that that car can get you a decent distance in decent weather.

[@jerrym1401]

@@Hans-gb4mv what could be maximum range on motorway 120km/h in summer?

[@Hans-gb4mv]

@@jerrym1401 I did about 190km today, mostly at 120km/h and came home with around 18% and 33km left. Here's the chart for a trip I did last year at the end of May, mostly doing 120/130 on the German autobahn tweakers.net/fotoalbum/image/fKVi7AznVs7eZuB2w5dKD2bu.png

[@TheSweMusicMan]

It's coming. Bjørn has talked about doing a summer range test with the red Ioniq featured in this video.

[@thorstenkitz9252]

@@jerrym1401 It's about 200km. The consumption is around 14 kW/h in the summer with a maximum of 120 km/h

[@problemchild1976]

Do you get to feed back to Peugeot about the charging issue?

[@talhabinumeed650]

if new ioniq could charge at 100 KW then it would have been as good as model 3 SR+

[@bennyhill8987]

Surely cause your friend was travelling behind then maybe slipstream u would have had some positive effect on his consumption. Enjoyable video.

[@bjornnyland]

I was also slipstreaming behind him a lot.

[@adampiorowski]

Wish Poland was as electrified as Norway. We still did not get any grants from the government for EVs. 😢

[@AdrianBlaga]

Hello there!... Off topic.... Please make a video about new Tesla incident in Taiwan...

[@SuperLenny34]

Coasting is more efficient on the Ioniq. Pawel should have turned regen off.

[@VolvoMetal]

Not sure why auto regen became a thing. Coasting and regenerating/breaking when you need to slow down is more efficient. It makes sense as an option for hill decent or if you for some reason really like one pedal driving, but it should not be standard.

[@EEAMD-co6nw]

i want the Ioniq, but I want to be able to drive from stavanger to oslo-ish with wife and kids and luggage and radio/music/aircondition and only have to use one time to stop charging

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

Seems like the 208 is running microsoft windows - EV equivalent of Ctrl Alt Delete :)

[@antoniocirino8444]

There will be a test with 16 inch wheels on Peugeot?

[@srenkvisthald2236]

How about a race between MG ZS EV and the Ioniq 28 kWh?

[@zdruj1994]

Paweł, a może ty nakręcisz parę filmików o elektrykach po polsku 😌

[@Eb3nez3r]

You should drive in the UK if you think that is busy, lol :)

[@F14tomcat21]

Wotwot yeah race again

[@koomaj]

LOL, Sjokomelk ruined everything =)

[@eirik500]

@Bjørn Nyland, was the problem with the last Ionity stop the same as Audi e-tron owners had; that the DC plug had to be held tight in the charging port in order to make it lock properly? It seemed to me that the charging cable did not lock in place, hence the charging would not start. But you treated it as a software issue with a swedish reset, since it worked so guess that settles it.

[@bjornnyland]

No, different problem.

[@13partnership]

Well, okay. Whenever watching Your videos `bout Ioniq and other EV´s.... Everythings fine. Fantastic stuff. But, as I own an Ioniq.for months now, I´m starting to wonder why the recuperation is ever set on "high" in Your videos, Mr.Nyland? I never ever ever used that setting. Put in "low" or even switch it off completly, and the car is going to make it to Geilo. Remember my bet? I pay your menue, if I´m wrong. Bet or not?

[@olaf4559]

Shieeeeeet that Ioniq with the 64 kWh of the Kona would have been AWEEESOME

[@FFVoyager]

What would you have had to pay for the charging at Ionity? The more efficient Ioniq should have cost less?

[@Alex-tj1zo]

How come we hear so often that consumption in EVs is affecting range but almost never about cost impact ? 🤔 In ICE cars it is always about cost first, because range is no issue generally, ok, but since chargers like Ionity are pushing the prices up, and Freevend is getting harder to find, it makes the efficiency even more important moneywise. I would like to see a compairison in total kwh consumption at the end of any race or trip because big battery means more expensive car, more weight, more consumption, so more costs on every charge.

[@MacBaerFFM]

hm...the e-208 is really nice but...where is the progress? Gone to dust? Plus giving a charging headache. More faint hearted would have called the Assistance...Can we expect a PSA e-whatever with the battery + charging speed of the e-208 and the efficiency of IONIQ?

[@Palidon]

Did Paweł say "Polish maths" at the beginning? Is he Polish? If so, pozdrawiam i zazdroszczę filmików z Bjornem. Róbcie więcej filmików razem :D

[@colinmaynard2879]

Palidon Well I had a calculator in the 70s that used Reverse Polish notation!

[@JohnDoe-vx3z]

@@colinmaynard2879 made by HP ?

[@Jozlek1]

I am considering to sell my 2018 28kWh Ioniq and buy Peuget e2008. It's hard to make final decision.

[@jorgealmeida8209]

do a battle of ZOE 52 vs new Ioniq 38kwh

[@HenriZwols]

Yes, that would be useful.

[@Tom-Norway]

Wow, E.208 is thirsty!

[@frassefrazer]

I am back!

[@AnthonyWoodruffe]

I really like the e208, shame about the consumption. I wonder how the Peugeot would stack up against the Zoe 50KW?

[@bjornnyland]

*50 kWh

[@nightfallfade]

52kWh

[@TheFootballDude18]

Isn’t the WLTP for e-208 340 km?

[@JPetr94]

21:52 I ordered the blue one. The blue ones are ok. :DDD BTW, that's the reason why this 208 is so thirsty - because it's yellow. Schport, jaaa!

[@nickbabes1678]

Between a ketchup Ioniq and a mustard e-208 the only thing i missed was a juicy bratwurst.

[@darktemp_de]

12:04 Yeah, I understand why you park like this but I think the cable must be robust enough to handle it. But since no one is affected it's fine, I guess. I saw a video where someone does the same but blocks another charger with it -> that's not a nice panda :(

[@bjornnyland]

I always use common sense. If there are lots of other cars parked there, I will of course stretch the cable. If you have been reading comments in my videos, you will see that most keyboard warriors who complain about my parking is looking at an empty parking lot/charger where I'm the only one there.

[@darktemp_de]

@@bjornnyland I agree completely! (I hope I don't look like a keyboard warrior^^) Maybe the charging stations could have a flexible "cable crane" to direct the cable to the charging port without stretching. That would be great :)

[@moestrei]

Can't wait for the Cybertruck banana box test. Looks like Pawel had a personality make-over?

[@onlineo2263]

Hahaha cybertruck banana box text. Bring it on.

[@user-he4ue6is7k]

loool good job on parking i'm calling the internet police

[@jasondavis545]

Hi Was wondering if Paul is going to upgrade his Ioniq to the 38kw or is he waiting for VW, Skoda, Seat releases?

[@bjornnyland]

His name is Pawel. And that's not his car.

[@jasondavis545]

Bjørn Nyland 👍🏼

[@Bulat_B]

You didn't conclude - which car of these two you would buy and why?)..

[@bjornnyland]

Watch some of the other videos. I have talked about e-208 a lot. And in the end, it's not about if *I* would buy it. It's about if *you* would buy it or not depending on *your* preferences.

[@and1111000]

Charging the Peugeot was worrying though. Factor that in and the Ioniq won.

[@Ultimo51]

i m french ... and i think i will by an ioniq 😂🚙

[@esm7708]

I'm just waiting for the "shiiiiiit"

[@esm7708]

2 in the first 5 minutes!

[@MS-iw2vk]

:) Is Pawel from Polska?

[@paco9713]

Yes, he is!

[@HenriZwols]

Would be nice if he said something in Polish. I live the sound of that language.

[@volvocars5189]

Haha, en norsk reset! 😂

[@harsimranbansal5355]

seriously tho, what happened to quarantine and social distancing

[@bjornnyland]

Quarantine lasted 10 days.

[@JohnDoe-vx3z]

The cars are always 1.50m apart

[@HenriZwols]

"This is Renault support line. Have you tried unplugging the battery and plugging it back in?"

[@noer0205]

It would be very nice of Renault to offer support on a Peugeot, and a good advice even it seems haha

[@noradtux]

And they even wasted lots of time charging the Ioniq (except they needed the range): support.fastned.nl/hc/de/articles/223715447-Laden-mit-einem-Hyundai-Ioniq The charge rate on HPC drops dramatically beyond ~77% SoC, so it's best to leave at that point.

[@bjornnyland]

e-208 also wasted time charging past 50 %.

[@noradtux]

@@bjornnyland That makes it even then :) I enjoy those videos, keep em coming :)

[@AverageJoe3]

Bjorn, do you wear lifts? You shoes looks like they have a very high heels, almost like you standing on your toes, or maybe its just optical illusion :D

[@bjornnyland]

Uh, no. And why do you care?

[@AverageJoe3]

Bjørn Nyland was just currious. No offense. Thanks for your video!

[@antoniocirino8444]

0,24 cx of ioniq vs 0,26 cx of e208

[@DimaStohr]

Peugeot/Opel /PSA, chose the inefficient generator, can't really use the 50 kWh battery, this is not a problem with the drag or aerodynamic! An big mistake, for so much money, it is not acceptable! E Corsa has the same problem!

[@wermagst]

The sad thing is, the facelift Ioniq would have probably lost by a considerable margin.

[@bjornnyland]

Most likely not. A better route planner actually estimates that the new Ioniq will be faster. This is due to a bigger battery and therefore better start before charging is needed.

[@amiddled]

Wermagst if you regularly do journeys over 250kms that will matter. For the vast majority, they aren’t. Otherwise, the new Ioniq beats it as the range is greater from home. And it has a nicer dashboard, app features etc. Bjorn has a great channel and makes great observations, but there is a lot of emphasis on long distance driving that for most people is a tiny part of their overall driving in a year.

[@dieterbrand2739]

Hi Björn,when you test the e Corsa

[@wermagst]

@@amiddled That's right if you assume that the battery is always fully charged at the beginning of a longer trip. For people without a charging possibility at home that is rarely the case, especially if the longer trip is not planned days in advance. There the faster charging car will almost always win.

[@HenriZwols]

This just begs for an old Ioniq vs new Ioniq long distance race.

[@reynoldichi1090]

Pawel clothes cybertruck 😂

[@beiwew]

Hi Bjørn. Can you stop saying shit as it's classed as bad language in the u.k so I cannot play your videos if my children are around. Cheers -keep up the good work!

[@bjornnyland]

Shieeeeeeeeeeet

[@beiwew]

@@bjornnyland 😄

[@lionelmaury9916]

« Five keyboard warriors « 🤣🤣🤣

[@danutavram831]

Your job is to charge EV cars ??

[@bjornnyland]

That's part of my job, yes.

[@thomaskristo]

Ioniq would win.... He should judt go. Not wait for the 208. Cause this show that Ioniq you can allways trust it and 208 fails. Soo in my mind Ioniq is the wimner!!

[@Alex-tj1zo]

It was more a weekend pleasure trip than a true race 😁 Also on a random route with mostly 50 kwh chargers and open highway with light traffic, Pawel would have finnished with time to read a book 😃😃 But the Peugeot is a new model and good results matter for sales, compaired with the Classic Ioniq that is only available as second-hand and can afford to 'take one for the team'. Important is that Peugeot is finally making its first steps towards modern electromobility, and we welcome it into our family. This is the true gain.

[@zaheerzazei362]

2nd

[@thinkabout602]

🏆 anyway

[@Tonyshandle]

For "only" 8k more you can buy a Tesla SR+ (with probably better resale value in 5ys)

[@HenriZwols]

8K in what currency? Bjørn lives in Norway. 8K Krone?

[@onlineo2263]

Hahaha French cars and there crappy electronics!