Phalaenopsis Orchid with central flower spike | Terminal spikes - what are they, what to do?

Today we talk more about terminal spikes on Phalaenopsis orchids, what they are and what we should do!
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Phalaenopsis orchids normally create flower spikes on the sides of their stem, in between the leaves. Sometimes though we can find flower spikes growing from the crown of the orchid. At this point one of a few things can happen:
1. Leaves can continue to grow, if the spikes are just not capable to poke through the leaf and grow just next to the crown • Possible terminal spik...
2. The Orchid grows a spike keiki, which appears to be one of the most common outcome. After the keiki forms roots, it can be removed and potted separately • Are these Orchids dead...
3. The Orchid grows a basal keiki, just like in the first case, but this time the baby plant starts from the stem of the mother plant.
4. The Orchid produces keikis, but the keikis grow terminal spikes as well. I think this will result in the demise of the orchid in time.
5. The Orchid doesn't try to propagate and withers within a few years.
You can never know what the outcome will be, but maybe the risk is worth it :)
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[@MissOrchidGirl]

Also, you can try to promote a keiki by using plant hormone paste, learn more here kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6GmnWavrNiaga8

[@ziv1153]

Hey Danny, how can we send you a picture with strange things that orchids do?

[@ryanmetzler2211]

Danny, I have an interesting thing happening with one of my phals....This has all happened over 4-5 months.....I got it from the grocery and put it into leca so all of the roots died. It managed to stay alive and it started to produce 2 basal keikis and what looked like a flower spike, but now its looking more like a keiki. All of a sudden the mother plant decided to grow a leaf, and then one root sprouted at the bottom in between the two keikis. I managed to keep it alive and better hydrated through the one root while it was growing all of this growth!! And then I notice a new leaf popping out between 2 leaves that was not the crown. It decided to grow ANOTHER keiki in between 2 leafs!! And THEN I noticed that after it had already grew two leaves the growth turned into a flower spike. it still only has one root that is now 2inches. LOL I'll try to upload a picture if possible.

[@kathihutton7173]

Thank you for this video, it is just what I needed. I purchased a gorgeous Phalenopsis "Soft Clouds." It was a large plant with at least two flower spikes, and each spike had multiple branches with many small white flowers. Instead of one arch, it was covered in lots and lots of delicate flowers. When all the flowers fell, I cut the spikes. It rebloomed soon afterwards, which I was happy about, with one terminal spike. I didn't know that was a problem then. I enjoyed the flowers, and when they were gone, I cut the terminal spike back like before. Right after I cut that spike, I saw one of your videos that said I might have gotten keikis if I hadn't cut it. Next, it began creating a basal keiki, and I thought perhaps the mother plant would die, but it didn't. However, it has not grown any new leaves from the crown. Now it is in bloom again, for the third time in 7 months, with another terminal spike. The plant looks amazing - the leaves look healthy, the basal keiki looks healthy, and the flowers are beautiful. This time, I will leave the flower stem, continue my regular schedule of watering and fertilizing, and see if I get a keiki on the flower spike.

[@aliciamackey5855]

I'm a fairly new Orchid Mom, I'm on year 2. I had a wild dream of growing a Vanilla Orchid in my very warm bathroom since I'm not in a proper growing zone, I'm in California's center valley, 9b. I figured my Vanilla sproutlet needed some Orchid sister's to keep her company, so I purchased a few here & there at Home Depot and grocery stores. One recently got a keiki growing off the mother, I looked online and didn't see any keikis growing like mine; I now know from your video it was a Basil keiki. She did also have a terminal spike (I just learned what it was from your videos) out the side of the crown but not through the very top center. Well, she recently withered away. My fiance thinks I over watered, but after watching your video, I know now she probably just had bad genetics. I really wish I saw your video before we lost her. Thank you for sharing your knowledge to the internet world!!

[@jessicaroberge5834]

That hybrid is absolutely gorgeous!

[@karylfriedman5788]

I have a white mini-phal that has been blooming endlessly for almost a year. It had a terminal spike when I bought it but I didn't see it till getting it home. I loved the profusion of blooms and it has become my pampered baby. She now has a basal keiki and 21 blossoms on the momma plant. Each day is a learning experience with these kids. We'll see what she does next. Thank you Dani for all your wonderful lessons.

[@myIsabella53]

I have a phal that, after years of flowering normally, developed a terminal spike. This spike flowered beautifully, the stem eventually dried and was trimmed off. The plant itself was healthy so I continued caring for it. A lot of time passed and in June of last year I was surprised to see two basal keikis developing. They appear super healthy and now have four 'largish' leaves each and lots of vigorous roots making their way into the medium. Fingers crossed that when they mature they won't repeat the process of developing terminal spikes. After watching this video I'm a little apprehensive but remain hopeful. Time will tell!

[@spesaudax]

Thank you for such a comprehensive video! "Terminal spike"...that's exactly what is happening with my very first orchid! (What luck, haha) I repotted it and it put out 2 tiny leaves, and then a flower spike formed right in the center. I had no idea what it was called but I knew it wasn't right. Keeping my fingers crossed that it was just stressed and took a shortcut, and maybe I'll be able to get a healthy keiki!

[@melissasmith6996]

I saved a my phalaenopsis orchid with crown rot by watching your video and it produced a basil keiki . That keiki now has a flower spike that is almost ready to bloom 😊

[@ravenmorrigana1093]

Ran across this while researching my mini. I bought her with a terminal spike, not knowing what that meant, and I also cut the spike without knowing she might make a keiki. She suffered some crown rot, but i got that cleared up, and she put out a basal keiki early last year. Within the last week, mother's very highest leaf has started to wither, though all her root and her base look greak, and the keiki is doing fine. The keiki is putting out her sixth leaf and has multiple roots, and still no sign of flower spikes. She is, however, bigger than her mother ever was, so I suppose there's hope that although she's a clone, a different aspect of her genetics will take over.

[@user-xc2ej1rf1d]

Perfect video, thought my orchid was doing something odd and your video has told me exactly what is happening and how I can possibly make a positive out of it. Thank you 😊

[@ramiedarmody1582]

I bought four orchids off a reduced sale and one of them has this problem. I was going to let it go and see what it does. Thankyou for this information, it has helped me understand what's going on.❤

[@prairiepatch]

I brought home a sick orchid thinking I could bring it back to health. It did recover some what but now it has a terminal spike. I am greatly encouraged when you say that it rare when it won’t produce a keiki after making a terminal spike. I hope, I hope.

[@sarahariellevi2850]

i have one with a terminal spike. Thanks to your video now i know what it is... the mother plant is still alive after two years and it put out 4 kekis in the last year. I was able to separate the kekis from the mother and all four has a spike this year... so amazing

[@orchidquest]

My very first orchid created a terminal spike on its second flowering. I almost threw it away in my grief. Thank you for this video. I am hoping she produces a keiki because I love her color, and her crown has been ruined!

[@apples1290]

I have a white-mini-phal that has bloomed from not one, not two, but THREE terminal flower spikes as well as a spike from beneath the potting medium, bottom leaves, and quite a few roots of its roots. It is currently out of bloom for the first time since its first terminal spike, two years ago, but is already growing a new flower spike from an already used location (remains of dried flower spike and all) two leaves down. I'm continuing to care for it, and repot it, normally and have no idea what its plans for the future are but I admit I've developed a fascination with my little "mutant baby". I have pictures of the multiple terminal spikes if you are interested.

[@agnesfejes4440]

Wow finally the puzzle made a whole picture. I have this orchid which seemed slightly weak when I bought it, not too strong spikes, but rare colour. The flowers dropped quite quickly and I repotted it. It produced terminal spike soon after, and now again one next to the previous one which I cut half way. Also there is a small keiki on the side. I hope it will still produce leaves as this is my newest orchid, and when I bought it, it had spikes on the regular place, and when I saw it growing spikes (not knowing that middle spike can be fatal :-( ) I thought I did a good job and it was saved...

[@featherblossom1237]

That orchid is gorgeous! Never seen a flower like that before.

[@beataBubinka]

1,5 year ago I got myself a cute pink phalaenopsis orchid with a terminal spike (then i did not knew it was a terminal spike - i thought it looked very pretty, thanks to You i know what it is :) now i have a very big and healthy keiki (growing from the bottom? of the mother plant) and a string mother plant

[@jeremyhylemon5442]

I seen one of these orchids with a terminal spike on it but wasn't sure what and why it happened so i passed on buying it, kind of wish now i would have to see what it would do, I like a good challange LOL. I have now been growing orchids for a little over a year now and im finally starting to get Phals growing new spikes im thrilled thanks to your videos and information.

[@ingridh5324]

I just realised that one of my mini phals had a terminal spike. I purchased it like that with two spikes, did not know about terminal spikes at at point. Thanks for the informative video. Now I know what to expect. Both stems eventually faded without making a keiki after a long flowering period. My plant still looks healthy almost a year later, but has not grown more leaves from the crown. It still looks good as a green plant I think, so I will keep it and hope for a basal keiki 🌱

[@meadowfrance]

I don't have any comments about terminal spikes as I can't remember the last time I dealt with one but I just wanted to say that phal you just got is so BEAUTIFUL! Ah I wish I could find ones like that here. 💕

[@cosmecerdan9603]

I currently have one orchid with terminal keiki. The flowers looks gorgeous and healthy and I'm waiting what the orchid do next. 😊

[@dianal3827]

I just unpacked an order with a few orchids. One of them has one spike growing directly from the center of the crown. It's a Phal. Aromio Carola.

[@the_orch1d_man396]

I have not had an orchid like this but I did see one with a terminal spike and it had amazing flowers!! After seeing this video I want to try to produce keikis from the plant to at least give it a second chance now!

[@silkejordaan497]

I bought a phal with a perfectly central spike about 3 years ago. Since then, it's grown one leaf off that terminal spike (and no further growing on that keiki), as well as 2 new air roots either side of the central spike, 4 new leaves and another new spike 1 leaf up from the (previously) central spike. It's currently growing blossoms again so it's not yet dying. It looks a bit weird, but it's currently my favourite because of that and because it's got loads of greenery and still gives me beautiful flowers :)

[@FerratheFerret]

I was captivated by 4 flower spikes of mini phalaenopsis at nearby flower shops because it has good flower buds as compared to the other remainings 🙃 and once I reached home, i noticed it has terminal spike 🤣 I'm curious now how it will turn out in future

[@oguzoran4439]

It’s like a tillandsia at this stage. I was crushed when my xerographica flowered which is terminal. I thought I would watch it wither away but after a little over a year I it produced a pup, luckily.

[@vedranablagojevic2495]

I have orchid with Terminal spike. The spike completely destroyed crown, but there is huge basal keiki with the strong, long roots. I have separated ot today and will see if it will survive.

[@mjlemon]

This is obviously late. 😊 Before I knew anything at all about orchids, I bought a Phal with a terminal spike. Without knowing what I was doing, I cut the spike once the flowers were spent. I was lucky, and a basal keiki has grown. It’s been growing for about a year and looks good. The mother plant is still growing new roots. I’ve been really nervous that the keiki will produce a terminal spike, but 🤞 that it was just a one time thing. 😬

[@dragonfly_minatures]

One of my favourite Phals is chucking out 2 terminal spikes from the centre one has a lot of flowers and the second is half as tall with just one flower

[@wandafel6403]

Pretty darn cute! I would certainly take a chance with it. Why not, right?! That's how experience is obtained.

[@abbieflint3060]

Love your videos! Are you on Instagram? Would love to see regular photos from your grow room! You are teaching me so much and my orchids thank you 😁

[@MelissaWalker82]

Abbie Flint I second this. Would love to follow on IG!

[@MissOrchidGirl]

Hi, yes I am, @MissOrchidGirl :)

[@j.d.8075]

As I see it, there are multiple options when dealing with a terminal spike. One is completely experimental and I HAVE NO IDEA if it would work, but it would involve trimming the terminal flower spike as close to the crown as possible and then applying dragon's blood or even another compound that might stimulate vegetative growth from the crown. From the cut spike I would take trim the flower section away from the inactive base nodes and enjoy them in a vase, then use flasking techniques cut the remaining length of flower stem into sections, so there was a single node to each piece and placing then in a culture medium. I know it all sounds like a lot of faffing about, but it really is just possible options.

[@bramhallbill]

I bought a white flowering orchid that produced loads n loads of flowers over 12 months...It was then I noticed 1 spike was terminal. There is new leaf growth at the side & a keiki forming on a flower spike...Just kept it out of curiosity but it is interesting that it is trying to live on on 2 fronts

[@kenoaleblanc678]

Hi Danni I have one now with a terminal spike and recently it has sprouted a new leaf

[@cecilialord4448]

I have a huge phal with a keiki. I bought it not knowing that it had a keiki. The first keiki had crown rot and had a terminal spike, as soon as I cut it off, it grew another basal keiki in almost the same place.

[@patsfreund9164]

Interesting video. Learned lots of new things about phals. Can you trace the parent plants to determine which has the gene that causes this? Sounds like it would be a great scientific study.

[@lisa97897]

Beautiful orchid in this video!

[@cathyjackson8074]

I do have a Orchid with a terminal spike . The Orchid was given to me as a gift , well over a year ago . Did not know about ...not to cut the spike , which I cut off to the last nod ...sad . The Orchid is at this time not growing , just in the pot , still green leaves , green roots and all ,lol. I really want to take it from the pot and check the roots that are there , just haven't , I am afraid if I do ...then it will surly die . So for now I just water it , feed it ...treat it as if nothing is wrong , don't know how long that will last . I check it every day , mist it , along with my other Orchid . So for now , it is there and I am waiting to see what will happen .

[@roseberzai892]

Hi there, just wanted to let you know, same thing happened to me. I was so mesmerized by a beautiful pastel phal in the grocery store with 5 spikes, that I didn't even notice that one of the spikes came from the center of the plant. Back then, I used to cut spikes way back (I don't anymore). In any case, it took quite awhile, but 2 basal keikis formed, but only 1 has grown quickly, other one didn't make it. Believe it or not, the mother plant still looks the same, not even losing a leaf. If you have the patience, I think you will get basal keikis. Good luck!

[@rachelstockdale5042]

Watched with interest! I have a new phal which I ordered online for it to turn up with up a terminal spike which had been cut :( Hoping it will produce a keiki but wondering if it’s worth me speaking to the nursery as I’m not sure it’s right that they have sent a plant which potentially has a limited span?

[@martynbowen1113]

5:27 update soon on that orchids kaki please and the kaki paste experiment 😅

[@helenetrstrup4817]

The keiki with the terminal spike, the spike looks a bit like what could be a keiki on my latest purchased orchid. In my case it's not the case of a central/terminal flower spike on the mother orchid. It looks more like a case of a 6th flower spike that sort of changed its mind and started to produce leaves. I got it because I was curious, so I'll see what it does with it, it may be a funky keiki, it may be a dud as I'm not sure if it's still growing or will even continue to grow but the mother plant is healthy and doing well so far. I've had her and the potential keiki for 3 days, so it's still too early to conclude anything. 🥰 My other 2020 keiki is doing great, growing bigger every day.

[@ashleysorensen5598]

I currently have a Orchid that grew a basil keiki out of the crown😕 soon after I got it and it had no terminal spike. It has grown pretty fast I have only had it a few months and it has a flower spike and roots already. I have noticed at the store that I bought it from that many of the plants from the same company, but different batches seem to have allot of plants with terminal spikes!

[@cjw4968]

Cj W I have a phal that had a terminal spike. Unknowingly i cut the spike very close to the crown. It is very healthy 5 mths later and growing what seems to be a larger Basal keiki and smaller new crown. Waiting for roots to determine crown or keikis. It had unbelievable amount of spikes when purchased , my theory some type of hormone tx was used by grower. Very interesting phal. Would like to send pic.

[@mr.dahliaking.202]

my grandpa had a mini phal with terminal spike. . . it bloomed and dried off. Then the second one emerged from the same place! It is now currently getting ready to bloom, I wonder what she will decide to do next, only 2 leaves remain on her at the moment.

[@rexxiprasasya9617]

I accidentally bought a phal with terminal spike without knowing what it is. My question is, should I repot it after it drops its blooms if I am interested in continuing to care for it to see if it will grow keikis? When I purchased it it is in bark with what I think is compacted coconut husk in the middle, roots system looks good.

[@chaniwagh6254]

Is that newest phal one of those 'frankenstein' phals? The roots and spike look very oddly thick.

[@rowand2263]

Hi Danny. Does the terminal spike only happen with phals?

[@deborahjansen2475]

I have a phal with a terminal spike and a basal keikei. I overwatered and the original roots are rotted. The keikei has a small healthy root. What should I do?

[@tashalawson2028]

My mother has an orchid with a terminal spike and a keike.. Very interesting as I've never seen this combination in person. But her terminal spike has a leaf sprouting at the top and an opening where a stick is poking out of it (as if the "spike" itself is actually an extention of the leaf and the leaf is wrapping itself around this stick, appearing as a spike with a stick coming out of a hole in the middle of it)! Could it be that the terminal spike is dried up inside the leaf and what we are seeing is the leaf that has grown straight and vertical? Maybe the leaf and spike began growth at the same time and got confused? I've searched the internet and can't find anything that looks like what is happening to my mother's plant 🤯 If you have any knowledge on this I'd be ever so grateful to hear your opinion!

[@carpediem.9]

Hmm this was interesting, I didn't know there was such a thing as a terminal spike. Bad genetics ...or depressive and suiciadal Phals ☠️ 😁 Maybe you can apply the hormone growth paste on each node and I hope your orchid grows little keikis Danny :)

[@abigaileicher2889]

I have a terminal spike in my keiki! Wish me luck

[@jaybudd1617]

I have a small phalaenopsis that developed a keiki on a flower spike after removal I was hoping the plant would go on and send up another flower spike. Unfortunately it didn't. More basil kekeis that looked like flower spikes in the beginning but not.

[@CandycaneBeyond]

I cut off the flower spike when I was gifted my orchid. The roots were rotten and the leaves were yellow. 18 months later it has grown 5 new leaves, but no flower spike. Will it ever flower again? Roots are now thick (almost the size of my pinky finger) green firm. I actually live in a cold area and was told to leave in full water and use fertilizer

[@LinardBraslin]

That is a fabulous Phalaenopsis! It looks like someone hybridized the Sweet Memory with a Harley Quinn type complex hybrid! Very unlikely, but still a very good catch!

[@lindacrill9190]

My neighbor gave me a Phalaenopsis orchid to nurse back to health. Everything is going great. I have noticed that between the leaves there is a thin green growth. It is not up about three leaves and is not growing as fast as the rest of the orchid. Please let me know what this is if you have seen it before.

[@marial4948]

I bought a phal with a terminal spike last summer before I knew anything about orchids. The phal produced a basal keiki on its own, I didn't encourage it at all. I didn't cut the old spike, so it woke up one of the buds and is growing a secondary flower spike, I can see buds forming on it. I wonder if I should cut the spike to have the orchid put more energy into the keiki, or let it bloom?

[@candicewilliams8038]

Wow just realized i have this plant..got it feb...last flower fell in late march..went vegetative..grew 2 leaves..the 2nd smaller than first then i noticed root rot bout a month ago..i repotted and cut the stems (2 leaves turned yellow and fell off then stems turned black a week ago..and top leaves leathery...had to take off more bad roots (i then treated and dried the stem, by treated i mean lemon ,water and peppermint oil..cant find peroxide anywhere lol)...the last week ive been 1 day moist moss..1 day water culture..its got 2 long iffy roots and 1 that looks fairly new..(2 air roots but 1 looks broken)...some texture has come back to the base of top leaves. I just switched it back to water culture an hour ago...wondering if water culture should only be at night? Also today is first time letting stem touch water versus just the 2 iffy long roots. she's in a south east facing window ..more so east with a big tree near my window..maybe 1 -2 hours direct yellow sunlight..(wondering if she misses the corner where i now house a pink silk anthurium:)...shes got some weird new growth where the bottom leaves fell off..any advice? (I feel like i said alot LOL)

[@ambilykodoor1941]

I just realized that one of my phals has a terminal spike😔. I got it as a gift from my hubby on Mother’s Day…😭😭

[@monicaguerrero3581]

Hello!!! Last year I had a Phalaenopsis with a terminal spike, what happened is that it propagated through a basal keiki, no need of keiki paste, this year it is doing just the same.

[@DixieNormus710]

Such a lovely bloom on that one, so sad it's got a terminal spike!

[@candicecan1634]

I just purchased a mini phal with 6 flower spikes (first bloom), two of which are terminal spikes coming out of the same center, just because I’m so curious to see what happens. One of the terminal ones is notedly thicker than the others and has a young leaf growing on it, but so far no sign of it becoming a keiki. I’m so curious about this plant. Have you ever had double terminal spikes?

[@teachersusy]

I have one with a terminal spike that produced a basal keiki but I am afraid they won't make it. They seem to week.

[@jakesalvador9026]

Did you experience one flower bud without a flower spike?

[@diannh2894]

You know what is crazy mine is growing one leaf keikes and seems like the foliage is having some issues (growing the new leaf at the base) very strange! Is there a way I can show you?

[@sreckokovacevic]

MissOrchidGirl After 4 years... what happened with this orchid with terminal spikes ?

[@angelabates8625]

Do you have an ID on this Phalaenopsis? It’s absolutely gorgeous!

[@lorrainegarcia4199]

I have a orchid that leaves are growing from the flower stem what do I do?

[@MissOrchidGirl]

Hi, might be a keiki, check out this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/lX7bo2l9ptlqfck

[@sinine1100]

Some people recommend cutting the flower spike and planting it into moss -- supposedly, it triggers keiki-spawning much more effectively than leaving the spike attached to the plant. I'm inclined to say that it's the plant just confusing what it is supposed to grow where, too -- especially looking at how there are often small leaves attached to the base of the terminal spike. (The leaf growth node transforms into spike growth node.) A hormonal imbalance, perhaps. Which might explain why they're more common in store plants which have been "encouraged".

[@tylere274]

The new phalaenopsis you have I got the same one i gotit from a hole orchid farm and it's called Fang Mel dowry look it up

[@JuliePascal]

I accidentally bought one for my co-worker! I didn't notice. :(

[@slowpoke334]

Can you please share the name of the clone?

[@skghosh7049]

Love..🥰🥰

[@TY-ob7fz]

Hi Danny. Sometimes I wonder if "manufacturers" intentionally try to breed plants that have certain anomalies, sometimes for special effects like your singalo and sometimes for profit. It would be to the benefit of manufacturer if they'd sell you a plant at least once or twice a year and produce plants that won't survive years and years. Have to make room for the newer models of course. Sorry to sound so cynical.

[@sketchdoodle]

I work in a grocery store in the floral department where we sell different sized phalaenopsis orchids, and about 70% of the time we get in terminal spiked mini phal, and very rarely do we receive full sized orchids with terminal spikes!! I would agree with you on this, as this particular company we purchase from includes on their care instructions to SPECIFICALLY water the orchids with ice 😑 They can't make their money if everyone is keeping their orchids alive!

[@TY-ob7fz]

Excalibur Pie In America we got a taste of this when car makers were designing based on looks and functionality only. But the cars had a built in absolecence to it. In other words were built to be problematic after a couple of years of use. I worked on cars before and seeing the wiring designed to handle less electricity than it was actually using meant switches and instruments would burn out prematurely, and I was constantly replacing parts. Oh gosh I got one of those phals and though it didn’t have a terminal spike didn’t survive either. For no reason at all the stem rotted.

[@francesturner3384]

The stem is dead but plenty of leaves on it

[@KAMJKJ]

videos are shrinking😕 20 mins + vid plzz

[@MissOrchidGirl]

lol sometimes all I have to say takes less that 20 :))))