The Real Ghostbusters: The Bad Episodes - Phelous

[@TheAdorkableRJ]

''Think of them as a body...'' ''Peter is the mouth.'' ''Ray is the hands.'' ''Egon is the brains.'' ''Winston is the driver.'' This show was placed in the hands of people who didn't know that ''driver'' is not a body part.

[@dragondude9637]

Winston is the Soul! Janine is the ears! Slimer is the eyes!

[@kimifw58]

Ray is the heart. Winston is the hands. That's what they said.

[@jessestone7093]

@@dragondude9637 Slimer is the appendix.

[@fritzy8318]

@@kimifw58did you listen? They said ray was the hands.

[@SwiftNimblefoot]

Someone took your description and put it in the official wiki...

[@kaprelesartware]

Pointy glasses didn't scare me as a kid, but beloved voice actors being replaced by others did!

[@kmaru80]

When Slimer isn't on screen, the other characters should be asking "Where's Slimer?"

[@zmbdog]

What is this referencing? I've tried but I just can't remember.

[@sandi539]

@@zmbdog It's referencing the The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show episode of The Simpsons. Poochie was the new character in the Itchy and Scratchy show and was voiced by Homer. Homer then began demanding changes to the show be made so Poochie would have more screentime, be angrier, have access to a time machine, when he's on screen other characters should talk about him and when he isn't on screen the other characters should be asking "Where's Poochie?"

[@zmbdog]

@@sandi539 That's it. Thanks!

[@kevinwr7093]

I remember, as a kid watching this show, thinking, "why doesn't Slimer have access to a time machine"?

[@origatherisen862]

'kids are afraid of sharp objects' .......clearly those 'advisors' have never met real children. real children love sharp objects.

[@CompletelyNewguy]

I remember I had a collect of sharp sticks that I would pretend were swords.

[@vivimariefedorov7374]

I remembered telling my grandma about the sharp glasses, and she was like "BULLSHIT!" 👓

[@theshygirlnextdoor8337]

Lets just say that the rule “don’t run with scissors” was invented for a reason...

[@johncy11]

Sharp objects? He-Man,Transformers ninja turtles

[@EyeoftheU]

If the Q5 guys ever encountered an actual child, they would be standing around paralyzed for hours with their eyes wide and their mouths agape in equal parts confusion, amazement, and horror over having seen a tiny human without any visible wrinkles on their face.

[@RaymLovesEggs]

I always liked Winston. He represented the "normal" person (me) that tried to make sense of all this not-normal ghost stuff. The movies, and early episodes of TRGB, had it right. Focus groups ruin everything, I swear.

[@trealsteve]

Facts. They’re notoriously racist but try to hide it in the most ridiculous ways.

[@masterfarr8265]

@@trealsteve pretty much Twitter

[@DepressyDuck]

Only this wasn't ruined by focus groups. Focus groups require research, which Q5 didn't do. They fucked it up all on their own.

[@masterfarr8265]

he always had the best lines too

[@supermariof0521]

@@trealsteve Both racist, sexist and if Focus Groups got a hold of Disney's "The Owl House", homophobic.

[@Annausagi2]

The whole "Get rid of those scary, scary glasses" thing still baffles me. When it comes to character design, there's a bit of a rule where round shapes/curves fit cute and funny characters, and pointy fits into mature/scary. These "experts" probably heard about that and took it to the extreme...

[@matthewjones6786]

This is why we need to protect our children from triangles.

[@vernyulkisasszony4708]

@@matthewjones6786 Yeah, like Bill Cipher. Don't let him get the children!

[@gachalifetoonstudios1377]

Executive: GIVE HER ROUND GLASSES Normal guy: why? Executive: because.... *Vietnam flashbacks with triangles*

[@genogamma13]

"One, Slimer needs to be louder, sloppier, and have access to a time machine. Two, whenever Slimer's not on screen, all the other characters should be asking 'Where's Slimer'?"

[@phantomzone2725]

Sounds like a more dumber version of Dora the Explorer... but in the 80s

[@MrJimmyTide]

Slimer died on his way to his home planet. SLIMER'S DEAAAAAAD!!!! *uproarious cheering*

[@theuncalledfor]

@@MrJimmyTide "But he was a ghost!" "So?" "He was already dead!" "So what? He just died again. Except deader this time. The kind of dead that doesn't talk or move."

[@greg.soular]

When are they gonna get to the fireworks factory?

[@Nick_Nightingale]

Where IS Slimer?

[@Hookedoncollies]

As an actual girl who loved this show with a passion, I remember being very disappointed when the show changed. I wasn't really aware of all the executive meddling that had taken place, just knew that my favorite cartoon suddenly seemed... off. I chalked it up to getting "too old for cartoons". Especially Janine! She was awesome, and there were so few really quirky, fun female characters, particularly adults (ie, not the nag or the mom).

[@bromodragone8405]

If we're looking at the Ghostbusters as a body, it should be: Venkman is the mouth, Ray is the heart, Egon is the brain, Winston is the hands, Janine is the ears and Slimer is the stomach.

[@rayvenkman2087]

I see Winston as the rational conscious of the body.

[@CROSSTATT]

Does that make Louis the feet and legs? He's their accountant in case you were wondering. Although, I wish that Lorenzo Music (the first Peter) and Laura Summer (the first Janine) would've come back.

[@DamienThaAlien]

RGB comic reference ;)

[@punchy207]

@@rayvenkman2087 then how's he gonna drive eh

[@adamgreenwood9785]

The comic character profiles had Egon as the brain, Peter as the mouth, Ray as the hands and Winston as the heart :) Slimer was the stomach of course :P

[@docdave15]

"Kids are afraid of sharp object." That has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard in my entire life! Afraid of sharp objects?! Then explain to me why kids play with toy swords and such and watch movies and tv shows FEATURING CHARACTERS USING SHARP OBJECTS LIKE SWORDS!

[@VahanNisanian]

+docdave15 Did you expect ANY common sense to come out of a sexist and racist organization that acted like they were still stuck in the 1950's?

[@docdave15]

Very true but still outside of the sexist and racist crap that's just mind boggling. I mean... wow.

[@alucardyoici]

+docdave15 well sharp object are scarier than round object so I guess they went with that. I mean only thing I could think to make the series bette (only saw the first season) was make ray have more time to stand out because while he was the nice guy he had less development than the other, aside from that no idea what they could suggest so they made shit up

[@apex2000]

+docdave15 Kids love sharp objects. Its parents that are afraid of sharp objects "might put your eye out"

[@mas8705]

Can you imagine if they actually did some kind of study and came up to this conclusion? Dad: Come to the kitchen Billy. We're going to eat chicken tonight. Billy: Ok Daddy! *sits down* Dad: Now let me just cut your chicken really fast and- Billy: KNIFE! SHARP OBJECT! AHH!!! *runs out the door screaming* Really, all the choices that were made by Q5 was just one insult after another from how dumb their "results" were, completely missing the point of Ghostbusters in general, and even your aforementioned comment about how racist and sexist they got.

[@JoeGallo43]

Winston did drive in the movie, BUT he's much more valuable to the Ghostbusters organization. He's the brawn as well as the street smarts/common sense guy. You have three PHD nerds outta Columbia University who are clueless about what goes on in the real streets of NYC, and that's where Winston fits in and shines.

[@megatron6713]

He's also apparently the "sex appeal," of the group......

[@Pineappolis]

As a PhD nerd with less common sense than your average bowl of clam chowder, I heartily endorse this message.

[@chasegriffin5205]

I agree completely 👍💯

[@hitomisalazar4073]

Funny enough if I was going to go with the "Body" analogy they were doing... I'd have said that Winston is the eyes. The one who spots how insane things are getting and who (at least in season 1 and the syndicated package) was often the person to spot something that would get turned into a useful idea by the others. Perhaps not as glamorous as "the brains" but better than "Chauffeur", and important, and actually fit the character.

[@Pineappolis]

@@hitomisalazar4073 Excellent work, yeah, if you're going to try to make the analogy work, I think that's the absolute best way to do it. Certainly better than any I've come up with.

[@NukkuiskoHyvinVaiPois]

It's pretty telling that Q5 thinks that being a mother is the only thing a little girl (you know, *a child* ) cares about in a character, while boys can like any characters. Nobody's claiming the slimeball gremlin needs to start being more responsible and get a job so he can provide for the family because what else could little boys care about?! I've often heard about stupid demands from the higher ups ruining things, but I've never seen it in this much detail. What a fascinating case study on just how much can get ruined when the executives know barely anything and hire people who know even less. This makes me appreciate the good shows I've seen even more.

[@aacsmiles]

Wait wait, the notes shown at 23:40 say that kids identified with Slimer....I have never seen a more insulting statement made about kids. I'd be really interested to see whoever wrote that attempt to interact with a child.

[@Angelmou]

The Boogeyman, to scare kids away from the show. He succeeded.

[@TheHiddenDirector]

I loved Egon as a child and still do. Even as a kid I was attracted to the nerdiest characters in the show. Bonus points if they're male, but being as I was only a little girl I don't know why they had to be male when I was a child.

[@troin3925]

I don't think Illumination Pictures would say the same thing about the Minions, let alone Ubisoft with the Rabbids!

[@RoyalKnightVIII]

aacsmiles and of course they hasn't done any actual research, so they pulled that out of their ass.

[@kingti85]

THAT is the most insulting statement you've heard about kids? Come hang out with me, bro. I can open your eyes to a whole new world of hate.

[@NurseValentineSG]

It's so funny to me how a shift in tone delivery can make any sarcastic line into an idiot line.

[@duskyelf]

As a girl I loved Janine. She was one of few strong, well rounded women characters aside from the X-men and April from Ninja Turtles (on occasion). I hate what they did to her, and I love his defense of her. it's so nice to hear a producer really stick up for a character he created, especially a woman and the fact that he supports her as having her own role, having a real personality, and being a part of the team. What they did to her was really offensive, and a way to brainwash girls into being stupid, "motherly" docile things instead of strong women like Janine. I think this group was threatened by women or black characters that stood out and showed kids that they could be represented too and wanted to shove them in the background as the "mother" and "daisy's driver" lol

[@kyarabarrion4523]

Damn that was powetful

[@supermariof0521]

Why do I get the feeling that the people at Q5 also had a hand in making "Ghostbusters 2016"?

[@ExtremeWreck]

@@supermariof0521 They likely didn't get around to making that because they would've just moved on.

[@JR-ju3kj]

I agree 100%,it was offensive,sexist and racist what they did to Janine and Winston. Also,I feel like once the show brought in the Junior Ghostbusters and that once the show made Slimer a central figure and that once the show became ''Slimer And The Real Ghostbusters'',that's when everything started going downhill. I don't know about other fans but I personally,couldn't stand Slimer on the show as a kid(and I can stand him even less now). Frank Welker(the voice actor for Slimer)is one of the great legends of voice-acting but I always felt like the characterization of Slimer on The Real Ghostbusters was insulting to children and to the intelligence of children. I didn't find Slimer being an idiot and a clumsy goofball who is always making a mess and always stealing food from everybody,to be very funny. I think that the show runners were sexist and racist and I think that they thought kids are dumb.

[@kimifw58]

Yes, thank you. I also liked '80s April. Why does needing to be rescued make a character weak? That's victim blaming. And why does she have to sacrifice her personality to be a scientist or fighter?

[@CapnJigglypuff]

When Q5 said they wanted to fix the show, did they mean fix as in "repair" or fix as in "neuter?"

[@PannierLaw]

Yup 100% the ladder

[@PannierLaw]

venom tree ,And why does that matter?

[@PannierLaw]

venom tree ,?

[@PannierLaw]

venom tree ,Alright

[@noahbossier1131]

@@PannierLaw They were the same group responciple for for creating Little Clowns of Happy Town(yeah that terrible cartoon that Mr Enter Reviewed about the clowns), Little Wizards, Care Bears, and Pound Puppies, Similar problems also happened on the 1988 revevial of Beany and Cecil.

[@janinesummer2247]

You know what would have made "Janine You've Changed" even better? If Laura Summer returned

[@dootuss83]

J Summer And that they changed Janine back appearance wise.

[@vivimariefedorov7374]

DEFINITELY!

[@CROSSTATT]

I agree. It would've made a lot more sense.

[@ejay1118]

I can honestly see exactly why Q5 came up with these ideas. They were hired to find something wrong. If they DIDN'T find something wrong, they could hardly charge a butt load of money for "fixing" the problems now could they? Seriously, are these people still in existence? I would hate to find out what ELSE they've destroyed.

[@Nionivek]

If you've seen what is happening in Academics right now, you sort of realize that Q5 isn't the exception but the rule. The soft sciences (Psychology, sociology, etc) have a strong tendency to get hijacked by pseudoscience because there is less of a barrier of entry. Hence why a bunch of people were able to write fake research papers and have them published for over a year before they stopped (and could have kept going).

[@nathanschmitz2302]

They have died, what I have found are other companies away from media. I think the company died in the 80's.

[@mikeykitty1235]

@@Nionivek Uh... What "pseudoscience" are you talking about?

[@Nionivek]

@@mikeykitty1235 A few different types... there is eugenics, Malaria Therapy (honestly most psychology at the time was extremely pseudoscientific. It has only been righted in the last 40 years speaking generously), and grievance studies where someone managed to write a slew of "fake papers" and got them not only published but managed to be considered an "expert" in their field until they revealed it was all a ruse. . Ohh and how can I forget that old pseudoscience of determining how intelligent you are by the bumps on your head.

[@mikeykitty1235]

@@Nionivek Oh... I thought you meant something else. Sorry, my mistake.

[@Clonekiller66]

what I find absolutely hilarious is that when taking marketing classes in college, everything Q5 did was what we were told NOT to do within the first 2 weeks of class.

[@gracekim1998]

Amazing

[@dragondude9637]

I learned the exact same thing when studying creative writing and script writing at university. NEVER censor your work.

[@TDImiracle]

"Slimer on Ghost Trap duty" is the dumbest thing I've ever heard; it's like a talking bug carrying around a can of Raid!

[@phantomzone2725]

Or a mouse playing with mouse trap.

[@theuncalledfor]

No. It's worse. It's like a talking bug _spraying RAID at other bugs without wearing any kind of breath protection to keep out the poison._ Merely carrying the can isn't _that_ stupid because it's a sealed can: handle with care and get away if it ever ruptures and you're mostly safe. But if you _spray_ it, the poison is released into the air all around you. Just like the effects of the ghost trap, when it opens.

[@TDImiracle]

theuncalledfor good addition, friend!

[@Dim4323]

Well their were episode were slimer had to help them with thet trap if their in trouble

[@titangirl161]

Good thing they didn't get rid of Ray, because that would've been the final straw on the "you're ruining my baby" back for Dan Akryod, who would've then summoned Cerebus into the studio so he could run rampant and destroy it.

[@conorburke1999]

The Aardvark?

[@azsfloette9153]

Wait, so according to Q5, Slimer is an important character, and should be around 24/7, but Ray is NOT an important character, and should be dropped from the show entirely...........I'm speechless.

[@KidSnivy69]

Executive meddling is stupid and annoying

[@blacksheep9458]

Slimer is the key.... 😂

[@CrashHeadroom]

This is what we call control. The people above didn't like the show, so you send in a cancer to take out the show :) You are seeing what culmination of these tactics and personalities nowadays...Effective, isn't it!? XD

[@Dim4323]

They said Slimer is the key

[@Dim4323]

@@blacksheep9458 i was going to say that lol

[@somegingerguy4242]

Hearing the fact that "The Ghosts can't be dead people" in this reminds me of when Butch Hartman got full control of Danny Phantom, and decided ghosts were no longer dead people, but from A SEPERATE DIMENSION. Even though said show had been quite blatant before on how ghosts were....ghosts

[@frauleinfunf]

Hell didn’t the first season regularly have implications for how the villain of the week died?

[@tfordham13]

​@@frauleinfunf yep episode 1 literally showed she used to work at the school

[@pikachuthecritic3940]

Why animaniacs and looney tunes worked so well is because even if they were kid shows, they’ve never treated kids like idiots. Adults jokes, sex humor, references makes adults laugh and while the kids won’t get it now, they will in the future. They still had jokes and episodes worth coming back to in years to come and understand better.

[@gracekim1998]

Exactly 😅

[@420mralucard]

And even when the kids didn’t get the jokes they’re still funny and make them laugh even if the innuendo goes over their head. The Finger Prince joke is a great example.

[@comixproviderftw_02]

“Winston is The Driver.” No, it goes like this. Peter is the mouth Ray is the hands Egon is the brains Winston is the heart

[@skibot9974]

I’d say you have Ray and Winston backwards

[@Pinka13]

To be honest, I think Lorenzo Music sounded *way* more like Bill Murray than Dave Coulier ever did. No offense to Dave or anything, but he kinda sounded more like a rejected, Muppet version of Bill Murray than *actual* Bill Murray!

[@imnotthewalrus880]

I mean, at the very least he sounds like Murray's character from CaddyShack, but yeah that was a horrible role to base your voice/impression off of for the role of Venkman.

[@zythr9999]

"Cut it out"

[@VahanNisanian]

Q5 also tampered with "Pound Puppies". The first season had off-the-wall humor that wowed kids, but the second season had formulaic preachy moralistic plots. And guess what? The show was cancelled because of the Q5 changes. I'm surprised "The Real Ghostbusters" managed to endure them for four more years.

[@twotonedearly]

So that explains why Nose Marie went from sultry southern belle to 50s style mother character. Makes me wonder if Q5 tampered with Star Wars Droids as well

[@Predator20357]

Donny Sites Oh god now it makes sense, I was wondering who these guys were and when you mentioned that show now it makes all kinds of sense. One episode was about disabled kids and how a disability isn’t a disability as they can do everything a able person can, Just Differently!

[@xboxforever3946]

Of course the network ruin it and of course curse you Q5 !!!

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

I had my theories when I originally watched this review if they had a hand in Pound Puppies due to how Nose Marie and Bright Eyes were effected. Nose Marie when from a Southern Belle who was Cooler's equal in leadership of the gang to this 50s house wife who was boring while Bright Eyes was the hopefully teenager who wanted a home to just Whooper's 'friend' who was immature and obnoxious as he was and they nearly got rid of Howler who was one of the best characters. And you know what's funny and shows how stupid they were? Remember that rule about skirts vs pants they tried to put on Janine about how they didn't make her look feminie enough....they did the complete opposite of Holly who was supposed to be a 50s style girl with the poodle style skirt! I guess the only thing they did was right was making Bratina a bit more punk but even that's a stretch.....

[@Smacgregor88]

@@twotonedearly I question if the Q in Q5 stand for Qubo?

[@bloodrunsclear]

I like that in the original series bible the comment on Slimer comes with a joke. 'Getting a handle on Slimer can be tricky. It can also ruin your suit, but that's another story.' But then you look at the new pitch bible. It's completely soulless. 'Sliming is truly Slimer's claim to fame with the Saturday Morning set.' Ugh...

[@stenophonic]

This is like therapy. Thank you. I remember loving the old episodes and then wondering why it started to feel different and child me could never make sense of it…

[@elsie8757]

Ah yes, all the essential body parts: The brain, the mouth, the hands, and the _driver_

[@nathanforester5993]

To me it just sounds silly that they changed Janine's glasses simply because they thought said glasses 'scared young children' so to speak. It's a pretty stupid reason, as for her considered too 'abrasive' - last time I checked, she's supposed to be snarky and sarcastic like that.

[@R-Lee-]

Whenever Slimers not on the screen, everyone should be asking, where's slimer? - Homer Simpson head of Q5

[@damonika09]

Lorenzo might’ve sounded like Garfield playing Peter, but damnit he didn’t sound stupid. 😩

[@mastermarkus5307]

Anyone who thinks that stuff should be "dumbed down" for kids is crazy. My favourite movies as a kid were usually ones that I ended up enjoying even more as an adult, such as The Iron Giant and The Road to El Dorado. If you dumb something down you generally just skew it so that only _very young kids_ (say five year olds or younger) will enjoy it and when they grow up they'll either think it's stupid or won't remember it.

[@Hammerhead547]

My favorite cartoon show when I was a kid was Inspector Gadget. I still watch the show on TV today and I find it even funnier because I'm able to mentally picture things like Dr, Claw's HR department holding a job fair for henchmen on his next caper and interviewing them in a very calm businesslike manner hiring them for the job only to have it fail and have him take out all his anger on the henchmen rather than hiring a better HR department.

[@autobotstarscream765]

The actual Ghostbusters movies were adult action comedies, but clearly lighthearted and simple enough for kids to understand since they ate it up to point of a Saturday morning cartoon being created in the first place (while the adult jokes were subtle enough to safely sail over their heads, pioneering the dual-audience system of comedy that would power family movies such as Shrek). Imho, anyone thinking *Ghostbusters* of all things needed to be dumbed down for kids needed their heads examined!

[@10104tbone]

Autobot Starscream ghostbusters was an adult comedy. Ghostbusters ll was dumbed down for kids because of the huge positive response to TRGB. I love GBll but they act more like their animated counterparts than how they did in the original. i.e. smoking, cursing

[@autobotstarscream765]

@@10104tbone The involvement of Slimer as a friendly ghost, the ending with pink slime being powered by happiness and good will to turn the Statue of Liberty into the 'Murica Zord...

[@Mafon2]

My favs were Robocop and Elm street. We used to search for Freddy in abandoned buildings.

[@christiegreenwood2642]

I hated it when they changed Janine. I loved her at first and had no idea why they changed her. Of course, I was way too little to know anything about dumb sexist stereotypes, but as a kid, I didn't react very well to changes in shows I loved, and Janine was the only girl in the Ghostbusters cartoon. And yes, too much Slimer was basically the reason I stopped watching, because he was annoying as fuck.

[@troin3925]

While I love motherly characters, Janine is definitely not one of them, she was fine before that.

[@KTF0]

Ha, the funny part is that when me and my sister were little we wondered what happened to Janine.

[@samg9771]

What in the world did those Q5 idiots see in Janine that made them think she needed to be nurturing and motherly? She was everything but. What is equally as stupid is that they think she has to be a mother to the Ghostbusters, whom they called "boys". They are not boys! They are four grown men completely capable of taking care of themselves.

[@TheHiddenDirector]

I'm not joking, I legitimately thought the "Janine" from later in the series was a complete different character than the original portrayal when I was little. And I don't mean that in the way that she WAS a different character, since so much was changed about her she essentially became one. I actually thought Janine got fired or something and they replaced her with a completely different girl that just happened to be named Janine. I was so mad because I couldn't figure out why they fired her. She'd been a Ghostbuster, too, dammit.

[@dootuss83]

Changing Janine's character/appearance was the worst thing they did to that show hands down.

[@Hammerhead547]

"kids love slimer so we need more of him" I watched The Real Ghostbusters as a kid and I couldn't stand slimer when he became a central figure because I can't stand annoying people/characters owing to the fact that they annoy me.

[@Bandersnatch41]

Hammerhead547 in the original he was pretty much just the team's mascot. And used for minor comic relief and it was interesting idea to have a ghost on the Ghostbusters side. But thats all. Thats never something you want to be the main character. You never bring the comic relief side characters to the foreground. That never works.

[@Hammerhead547]

That's the exact reason why the Friends spinoff Joey failed so miserably. They tried so hard to make a comic relief character who was always a well meaning idiot into a likable intelligent main character and then surrounded him with other even more insufferable comic relief characters and wondered why audiences ran away from it as fast as their channel changers would let them.

[@mitchfletcher2386]

@@Hammerhead547 And why Planet Sheen was a failure!

[@gracekim1998]

@@Hammerhead547 wait when did that happen?😅

[@trealsteve]

Said no sane child ever.

[@enclavehere.7995]

*PLOT TWIST:* Walter Peck was the head executive of Q5 and suggested to make these changes in order to ruin the Ghostbusters' show.

[@Dim4323]

Still has no dick

[@ChaseMC215]

This is definitely him. If he wanted to make sure the Ghostbusters go under, why not make some lies about them in the newspaper? He should give J Jonah Jameson a call, he'll be up to that.

[@skinnyzachfilms]

Well, I think the "Egon breaking character" you used in particular was actually suppose to be a joke because he was acting like he does normally right before he yells "CHARGE!!!" like even he just decided "fuck it" lol

[@scitechian]

"YOUR MOTHER!!"

[@viyhexe131]

I have to admit, just hearing Egon shout like that made me choke on my drink.

[@lilsingingsensation]

Apparently bodies dont have hearts, which could have been Winston's role.

[@davidspring4003]

apparently. bodies don't have hearts, but they do have "drivers." Heck, Winston could have been the feet, and the logic there is "he's the most GROUNDED! GET IT?!"

[@lilsingingsensation]

David Spring Exactly

[@peucoman]

Winston is the brawns, the everything that isn't mouth (Peter) heart (Ray) and brain (Egon), and if we count Janine the eyes, and if we count Slimer the stomach, and if we count Louis the wallet (I don't know where the wallet fits in the human body, but it does)

[@davidspring4003]

***** it fits in the same place the driver does.

[@whatiftherewasanun]

Maybe the Ghostbusters were really Q5 all along

[@lipranditoys]

That should serve as a lesson to today's movies: let writers do their job, storytelling in an art and should be respected as such.

[@BlackBeWhite2k7]

Whats funniest about Coulier's Venkman is that Lorenzo Music sounded more like Bill Murray when he wasn't even trying to directly imitate said actor.

[@xgray2012]

+BlackBeWhite2k7 I know, right?! That was pretty stupid of Murray to complain about Lorenzo Music's Peter Venkman sounding to much like Garfield, when he should know that he, himself also sounds like Garfield.

[@xgray2012]

***** I have no idea. But I'll tell you one thing though....Karma's a bitch!!! XD

[@2010thekingofkings]

I always thought Lorenzo Music's voice sounded more like Bill Murray than Dave Coulier's.

[@Hammerhead547]

I can remember watching later seasons of the show and thinking "when did Uncle Joey from full house become a ghostbuster?". There's just something about Dave Coulier's impressions that make them all sound alike.

[@fogelogel8642]

To quote the Nostalgia Critic: "Dave Coulier is the man of a thousand voices... and not one of them right".

[@vivimariefedorov7374]

Rest in peace, Lorenzo Music. 😿

[@phantomzone2725]

Lorenzo can clearly emulates Bill's "I don't give a fuck to nothing" voice without forcing his acting, unlike Dave (who also put his dated catchprase on Venkman's lines)

[@krush333]

@@fogelogel8642 which review did he say that?

[@richardpreston7333]

This is one of the few times where Phelous' anger didn't feel scripted at any point

[@zythr9999]

Where?

[@KrytenMark]

Personally, I like to think of this unnecessary Q5 version as being a reboot of sorts, and NOT a continuation of the better series. That way, The Real Ghostbusters can remain the best at all times, and this Q5 version can only be in some parallel universe. :) Y'know, just so our own Lorenzo Music Peter Venkman's not doomed to be dumbed down by Dave Coulier, and Janine can remain sexy with Laura Summers' voice! XD

[@CougarLeonII]

You're not wrong in assuming that... The IDW Series seems to ignore the later seasons of The Real Ghostbusters whenever they show up. ... Although, the "Slimer!" versions of the characters appear as an alternate universe.

[@hdofu]

Replacing Lorenzo Music with Dave Coulier.... that's some crossing the streams level of damaging shit right there.

[@antonmasters8626]

Replacing Lorenzo Music with Dave Coulier is like trading your house for a tent.

[@Inspectornills]

Holy crap...if they just stuck with the Necronomicon, maybe they could have Ash from Evil Dead show up as a cameo!

[@Assimandeli]

Changing the ghosts to monsters sound like a ploy to sell more toys

[@autobotstarscream765]

Whereas "kids don't like sharp objects" sounds like a ploy to sell _less_ toys. If they wanted to sell _more_ toys, there were a few obvious easy steps: 1. Give all the characters sharp objects 2. Cover the characters in sharp objects 3. Cram the ECTO-1 full of sharp objects 4. Replace Slimer with a sharp object

[@aflockofseacowsesquire]

I've never seen the show and I still get mad at this

[@xgray2012]

+a flock of sea-cows, esquire Trust me....you do not want to watch later seasons...they'are terrible!!!! Stick with the earlier seasons, but stay away from the following seasons after season 3!!!!

[@Hromovlad1]

+Snabulax I actually remember hating the late seasons even as a kid it was in fact the first time I noticed a show changing for the worse over time

[@what9681]

+a flock of sea-cows, esquire Firing Lorenzo Music and replacing him with Dave Coulier was the absolute worst move. Words don't describe just how awful Coulier was.

[@happychaosofthenorth]

+Snabulax I loved "The Real Ghostbusters" when I was a little kid, but if I saw "Slimer and the Real Ghostbusters" I used to turn it off. Slimer was my least favorite character who was fine in small doses, I hated the new Janine (and I'm a girl, part of the demographic they were trying to appeal to with that change) and I hated how they changed the personality and voice of my favourite character, Peter. Also, one of the reasons I loved the show so much was because I always loved ghost stories and things that were on the 'scarier' side, so toning that down also bugged me as a kid.

[@what9681]

Wrath's Attack I say "was" because the show ended over two decades ago.

[@DigiMega351]

The only good thing that came out of Slimer's takeover was that we got Ecto-Cooler.

[@benitopulatso6637]

That old "cut it out" bit was a carry over from Outta Control, an earlier Dave Coulier show (it was on Nickelodeon in the 80's, not sure if it was first run then or not). So he didn't even try to emulate Murray with that, he took one of his old schticks and reused it.

[@WinterSteele]

Ben Warrick I remember that show. It's like Coulier wanted "Cut it out" to become a catchphrase so badly, he was willing to insert it into any media he could. I'm almost positive he used it on "Full House," too.

[@huxon13]

Winter Steele That he did, all the time. Why did nobody stop him?

[@huxon13]

Winter Steele That he did, and all the time. Why did nobody stop him?

[@dootuss83]

Winter Steele Yes, he did use that catchphrase on Full House too.

[@phantomzone2725]

So he just reuses an already dated quote? What a sad career...

[@SuperSongbird21]

16:44 Handled better, this could've been a twist on the "be yourself" moral - Janine now has to learn to live with a face/form that she thought she wanted, but which she now knows can't automatically bring her happiness.

[@tyrant-den884]

"Let's make Slimer the witty main character and the witty character into the dumb comic relief." Genius.

[@WakoDoodle]

As a kid, those rounded glasses actually disgusted more than the pointy ones; no idea why. The pointy glasses gave her design a unique edge; the round ones felt like they were too big and perfect. Abnormally perfect. I rarely got to see much of the show at the time, but even then I could somehow tell the difference between the versions and the later ones I always skipped.

[@inferno9714]

It's bad enough they replaced Lorenzo Music. It's also bad enough that they replaced him with an actor from Full House. But what burns my balls is that they wanted Venkman to sound more like Bill Murray, yet they pick the one guy from Full House that SUCKS AT IMPRESSIONS!

[@haileyshannon7548]

Lorenzo Music was probably busy with Garfield and The Gummi Bears!

[@mgeiger2341]

+Hailey Shannon The older he gets, the more bill Murray sounds like Lorenzo music to me.

[@Hammerhead547]

I remember back in the late 80's when Dave Coulier was the host of Candid Camera, I remember it because even as a child I thought that his jokes were pretty lame and his impressions sucked. Although his popeye voice did sound better than that contestant on Pop Quiz Hotshot whose popeye impression sounded like Red Green with a head cold.

[@keatonthekoopatroopa246]

Frizzurd. insert rick & morty reference here.

[@pferreira1983]

@Hailey Shannon No he was fired by the producer under orders from Ivan Reitman because of an off hand joke by Bill Murray.

[@muthesquirrel]

Hey, it's tradition for networks to ruin cartoons when they see they're successful.

[@xgray2012]

+Shotgun Squirty Agreed.

[@JeffreyHeesch]

+Andy Semple They should really consider reviving the Ghost Busters cartoon as an HBO series.

[@c.c.lilford2916]

+Wrath's Attack Wasn't 'Spawn' on HBO? That show was great!

[@xgray2012]

Crom Cthulhuson Yes, yes it was.

[@lwanco1018]

+Jeffrey Heesch They might do that after the next movie.

[@Saxcat20]

At least we have the first ABC season and early syndicated episodes with the original voice cast.

[@MforMovesets]

I just realized Janine's Ghostbuster uniform is pink. PINK!

[@Hromovlad1]

+MwieZorro nothing wrong with the color pink Dazzle Novak wears pink, and he's awesome

[@MforMovesets]

All I wanted to say is, that pink is a clichéd color to market something towards girls. Take a look at most products aimed at young girls. Pink is also often used to make a female character seem naive and weak (clumsy anime maids wearing pink? Check!). Back then, she wore the same uniform as the others, in the Sandman episode for example. Which was her own choice, too, because it was based on her dream. Pink just doesn't fit her character imo. It's just to market her. Maybe they should make Black Widow pink, then she'd finally get an action figure...

[@Hromovlad1]

MwieZorro but during the 80s, pink became very popular among men as well

[@MforMovesets]

Hromovlad1 I know, but the guys in the show don't wear pink, right? It's simply a selling point, like the alteration of her character. Well... an attempt to make a selling point, which failed.

[@VahanNisanian]

+MwieZorro To be fair, the original Janine wore pink blouses.

[@TheaterPup]

"Now she looks like a typical housewife...nothing against housewives." These changes were beyond awful, but this quote shows just how complicated our society can be.

[@ruggiebuggie3195]

"The black character is the driver?...nothing against drivers."

[@Miniaturegeek]

The one funny scene for Winston you pointed out, I didn't even realize that was supposed to be Janine until you pointed it out.

[@Tadicuslegion78]

I never watched The Real Ghostbusters as a kid and I feel insulted by these changes

[@CaffeineDeprivation]

Same here

[@troin3925]

Tadicuslegion78 It's the Jem and the Holograms movie all over again.

[@KidSnivy69]

That's because you have intelligent and common sense. Something Q5 clearly don't possess.

[@Hazard1007]

Tadicuslegion78 I never heard of this show before these videos and i'm insulted by these changes.

[@xgray2012]

Tadicuslegion78 Believe me, the Dave Coulier and Kath Soucie re-dubs are even more offensive.

[@matthewwalsh3399]

Winston is the legs cuz he is the one executing the duties of the Ghostbusters and was the voice of reason and grounded in reality and stands on his own two feet. He adapted to the position w little knowledge about ghosts and paranormal activity.

[@rodster6campingprepper]

I can't believe they went back and dubbed the bad voices over the older better episodes! Sacrilege!

[@AndrewAmbrose]

If you’re gonna have a kid in a cartoon be the main character, you gotta make him badass or more awesome than an actual kid would be. Otherwise, you’ll just want to have an adult hero like Phelous wants here.

[@rayvenkman2087]

Or just have him be a learning character.

[@AndrewAmbrose]

@@rayvenkman2087 that works too

[@ExtremeWreck]

Mighty Max anyone?

[@MasamuneMarth]

23:10 - Link from the Legend of Zelda cartoon called. He wants his catchphrase back! xD

[@kimifw58]

Steve Martin...

[@autobotstarscream765]

Lorenzo Music Venkman: Garfield Dave Coulier Venkman: Binky the Clown

[@masterfarr8265]

HEYYYYYYY KIDS

[@calebporter3735]

"Any more suggestions?" "Yes. CHAAAAAARGE!" That Egon line may be out of character, but it sure did get a laugh out of me.

[@Symos]

If I made a kids show, I'd hire q5. I can use their proposed changes as what to avoid

[@stlouisrocker100]

34:12 No you weren't. You were Fake Peter Venkman. Lorenzo Music was Peter Venkman.

[@the-NightStar]

Pretty much this, all of this. I remember watching The Real Ghostbusters and liking it, but I remember the show got worse, but I didn't know all of THIS crap with Q5 had happened. These guys are legitimately sexist and racist. It's interesting because everything they said about Winston and Janine really sound like a bunch of REALLY old men with "old fashioned" values of the worst kind. They really must have believed all that "A woman's place is in the kitchen, and black people are only manservants" talk so they just shoved their horrible views on the show and onto all the kids watching. Also, The whole "Ghosts can't be dead people" thing sounds like the braintrust at 4Kids who actually licensed an anime called Shaman King about ghosts and the afterlife and then WEREN'T ALLOWED TO REFERENCE DEATH. Then there's the whole "Kids want to see annoying kids on their show" that caused episodes of Batman The Animated Series to happen like "I've Got Batman In My Basement", and the character "Zack The 5th Turtle" on TMNT, and Wendy and Marvin on the Superfriends when nobody ever liked them. Kids in these shows just get in the way of the heroes we came to see. PLUS, taking a character like Slimer that works in small doses and making him TAKE OVER THE SHOW, just like other shows at the time that start building the show around the comedic mascot sidekick and making the title characters into background characters on their own show and wow.... This just sounds like a huge combination of all the other network interference of other shows, which usually have 1, 2, or maybe 3 issues tops, and piling ALL of the wrong decisions into this one. Just everything that could go wrong sounds like it went wrong. Man, you could almost make a top 10 list of Cartoons That Were Ruined by Executive Meddling DURING The Show. I don't know an exact order yet (so i'm not listing them in a particular order for the most part), but it would probably end up being something like... - *Batman: The Animated Series* (Executive Changes/Character Designs into The Adventures Of Batman & Robin and then The New Batman/Superman Adventures) - *Dexter's Laboratory* (That entire last season with changed actors & designs new writing and animation staff that made everyone and everything boring and unfunny) - *Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles* (The Red Sky Episodes. 'Nuff Said) - *Invader Zim* (Pressure to change, constantly trying to bust Jhonen and Steve Russel's balls over every little thing, deliberate network sabotage, premature cancellation) - *Rugrats* (Adding Dil and Kimi, taking out all semi-adult jokes, conflict and social metaphors replacing them for dumbed down "let's go on a make believe adventure" Nick Jr-esque plots) - *Spongebob Squarepants* (Replacing all the funny, cartoonish timing, sight-gags, risk-taking weird humor for flanderized, blander characters, less creativity and centering episodes on kiddy-ish, special event episodes catered towards pre-grade schoolers) - *Teen Titans/Teen Titans Go* (If you can even count them as the same series, but I kind of do since it's technically a continuation of TT, just a reeeeallly awful, tonally dissonant, immature and stupid one ordered by the network who figure that kids don't want to see an actual superhero show anymore.) - *Young Justice* (Just wow.... Yeah, this one is too much to go into, but anyone who knows why I put it on here, KNOWS why it's on here.) With the top two I would probably have to say being -*The Real Ghostbusters* and -*The Ren & Stimpy Show* Ren & Stimpy was SUCH a gigantically huge case, and arguably the most explosive case ever of "Creative Differences" between animators and a network there ever has been. The John K/Spumco and Nickelodeon/Games split was so big and so fierce, that it actually garnered major news attention and actually came down to real life lawsuits. And there's even been an ENTIRE BIOGRAPHY WRITTEN ABOUT IT called "Sick Little Monkeys: The Unauthorized Ren & Stimpy Story" the details how massive it was and how badly the show suffered because of it. It's on Amazon, even in digital form I believe and is totally worth a read. So that would probably be either #1 or #2.... With The Real Ghostbusters probably being right up there with R&S because it sounds like Ghostbusters had to deal with a little bit of everything that every other show had to deal with and all at the same time, and the way Phelous tells it, these Q5 jackoffs were far more incompetent than anything that Spumco ran up against. So between the two, it's hard to tell who got it worse. And if I had to throw any honorable mentions in there, i'd either bring up The Land Before Time movies (Because Universal would JUST. NOT. LET. IT. DIE.) Josie And The Pussycats (because of course they have to go into space, eventually. Makes sense, except it DOESN'T) and Scooby Doo (Because just Scrappy in general.)

[@kaydwessie296]

I need this video

[@orinanime]

As for Young Justice... That's more to do with being cancelled because of poor marketing and merchandising. Batman... Had more to do with Bruce Timm modifying his character designs and streamlining animation for budgetary reasons. Not really Network interference

[@nicholastosoni707]

Now hold on a sec! _Adventures of Batman and Robin_ was still the same show as _Batman: The Animated Series._ It's simply that _BTAS_ had already reached the 65-episode limit, and there's some kind of a loophole about creating a "new show" from an existing one so that the studio can draw up new contracts.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

Also I feel like shaman king referenced death a couple of times.

[@SiRenfield]

Nicholas Tosoni In my opinion at least yeah shoving Robin in briefly did hurt the show briefly but not majorly so since the writers did what they could and thankfully cooler heads prevailed and that period was VERY brief. Only reason I’m low key mad is that great episode ideas like one that would’ve introduced Black Canary (before Justice League anyway) got thrown out because the executives determined there wasn’t enough Robin in them for kids to relate to. Plus personally aside from a couple episodes I liked that version of Dick Grayson better as Nightwing and I actually think Tim Drake is a better Robin in that show. As for Season 4/New Adventures, yeah agree with the general consensus that OP is misdirecting the blame. If he (or she/they I’m not trying to assume) just doesn’t like the designs, fine it is a valid criticism since some designs worked better than others, but that’s not the executive’s fault. You can blame other things on them, but what made the old DCAU team so awesome was that they did so brilliant ways of getting around their hackery. For example, the suits upstairs proposed a spin-off of a Batman in high school to be hip with the kids and we got Batman Beyond from that rather than what they were probably expecting

[@masterfarr8265]

41:47 I like how Egon is trying his best to look away from Janine as if he's becoming self aware that this is not the woman he fell in love with.

[@Takeshi357]

The consultant firm didn't care about what the kids thought. They cared about what overbearing parents thought.

[@atomicdancer]

Wow. I really think you need to lighten up a bit, Phelous! You'd get more views if you weren't such a grouch all the time. Also, because children are easily confused and unsettled by sarcasm, perhaps you should make a point of laughing after each joke that you make in your videos, so younger viewers can understand that you're only joking, and not being serious. It also might be really helpful if you had a puppet companion of some kind to interact with (like a rabbit or a bear), to improve the pacing of your videos, and to give the audience someone to identify with. Ideally, you could take on a 'smart older brother' type relationship with the puppet, acting as both protector (during the more scary bits of the movies and TV shows you watch) and also as a teacher (for moral lessons and life guidance). Finally, I do think you should probably comb your hair, because children are scared of messy hair, as it implies disorder and untrustworthy people (like the homeless, for example). Please carefully consider these suggestions for improving your video content, and increasing views and subs... and good luck in your future endeavors! Yours, Tony and Co. at the Q5 Consultancy Team

[@retrogamer440]

atomicdancer don't forget that he needs to include his long lost kid brother, since without him we can't identify with Phelous.

[@davidcolby167]

It took me until the second pagraph to realize this was joke. I am filled with shame.

[@TheRegart]

( slow claps) Well played sir.

[@kaydwessie296]

Honestly though I'm for the puppet idea if the puppet is Wabuu

[@brandonmuse5532]

atomicdancer LMFAO!!! Good One

[@JoeGallo43]

Egon yelling "CHARGE!!!" is like Spock yelling "KHAANNNNN!!!!"

[@skibot9974]

At least that Spock is in a separate timeline from Spock Prime

[@Neyebureturns]

The idea that children can’t handle that the ghost were dead people also happen in the third season of Danny Phantom. By that time Butch Hartman has turn religious so the idea of ghost as dead guys was against his faith, so they turn into monsters from other dimension.

[@kimifw58]

What are you talking about? It was like that from the beginning. The problem was that this show wasn't SpongeBob SquarePants or Rugrats or Fairly OddParents, so post-2000 Nickelodeon wouldn't let it acknowledge death. Also, Butch had very little control over the show until season three. That's why the quality changed so much.

[@adamgreenwood9785]

In fairness I don't remember many ACTUAL ghosts on the show, they were usually more demons or manifestations.

[@gracekim1998]

@@kimifw58 yeah he ruined it. also the ghost were originally dead people

[@gracekim1998]

Ruben, The fartman was always religious

[@TheodosiaNova]

Weirdly enough the "pretend ghosts aren't dead people" thing was done in Danny Phantom, too. There originally were hints about character's backstories (most famous being Ember's full song indicating she off'd herself after a guy left her) that were cut, and the ghosts had to be more monstrous with the Ghost Zone being more of a separate dimension rather than a limbo of sorts. Season 1 still has a few indicators (including an entire episode about a boy from the 50's being trapped in his school with his bullies getting to possess Danny, Ember as mentioned, and the original backstory of a genie-esque ghost), but by the third it was pretty much gone. That was in 2004-2005. I was around 14 so I noticed super quick and was annoyed, but as a kid I watched Are You Afraid of the Dark ffs. That was on their same network! Did they really think kids were that dumb/sheltered?

[@joefrew1614]

I definitely would’ve love to see that Lorenzo Music voiced version of “Flipside” that you talked about.

[@skyblueblazes9332]

This entire situation reminds me of that iCarly episode “iSaveTV” where the main cast gets a tv show but executives keep changing everything because they did no research on what made iCarly appealing

[@gracekim1998]

Yep I remember that

[@jasonjimerson7046]

My brain still is trying to process Egon yelling "CHARGE!" Dear lord, the later stuff was terrible.

[@inferno9714]

I hate Season 3 and onward but the "CHARGE!" line gets a laugh out of me. Even if it is out of character.

[@V1NCYN1CAL]

From with episode was that? o.O I can't even remember that ever happening

[@mgeiger2341]

Blitzkrieg is an effectual tactic. Ask the Nazis.

[@DrErikNefarious]

When they changed Janine, I got pissed.

[@Treyworld]

+Dr.ErikNefarious Yeah! She was my 80's waifu! XD

[@supermariof0521]

You think the people working at Q5, also had a hand in making "Ghostbusters 2016"?

[@NSGhostbusters]

31:38 I love how Egon sounds fed up with Uncle Joey Venkman's shit.

[@DianneRoberts722]

He wasn't the only one.

[@comixproviderftw_02]

To quote from The Simpsons "You kids don't know what you want. That's why you're still kids, cause you're stupid!"

[@feywinterfox9630]

Wow, how do you have a top show that is #1 and let some other people come in and mess up what your crew did? I mean should you just turn to the crew and g, "Do what you did before, if not better....here is some more cash! Now go print money again!"?

[@Delightfully_Witchy]

When it comes to Western Animation, that's unfortunately common. Spider-man the animated series (you know, the one on Fox in the 90's.) was also #1, but was sabotaged by backstage politics. That scenario was even PETTIER because one executive didn't like the showrunner and specifically went on a campaign to end his passion project.

[@ExtremeWreck]

@@Delightfully_Witchy So NBC in a nutshell except with one show instead of an entire block of Saturday Morning cartoons.

[@Prettywhite4awhiteguy]

Pheolus you hit it on the head, I loved you this cartoon the first few seasons but my interest tailed off, I have assumed it was cause I was getting older and too mature but this shows that the show got immature as it went on, how sad that networks ruin many good shows cause they think they know better

[@CougarLeonII]

Pretty much everything after the Syndication package is unwatchable? That sounds about right...

[@StarlightPrism]

I hate it when executives ruin shows. There are some good cartoons on right now, shows getting away with stuff you don't always see kid shows get away with, and I'm always just so glad that the shows are able to do what they want right now. It would really suck if Cartoon Network executives suddenly decided that the Crystal Gems should be relegated to background characters because nobody wants to see girls fighting, or that Adventure Time shouldn't have any scary or intense scenes. And, oh god, poor Janine... Speaking as a chick, if I watched this show growing up, I would've been super pissed about the changes.

[@happychaosofthenorth]

I'm only 3:45 in and I paused to read the article excerpt and as a female who was a huge fan of "The Real Ghostbusters" but would always turn it off when the episode was one of the "Slimer and the Real Ghostbusters" as a little girl, I'm offended on behalf of one of my favourite childhood shows. I HATED what they did with Janine and to learn it was to 'appeal to girls by making her more maternal and feminine" or whatever as opposed to the awesome and strong version of the original Janine is well, I agree with the sexist remark. It's always been a huge pet peeve of mine when people don't give kids enough credit. Anyway, I love original Janine, but Peter was my favourite character. Hated what the changes did to his character too, even as a 'dumb' kid who obviously wouldn't like how the jokes went over by dumb childish head. Yeah, I missed some of the jokes, but there was enough that I did get to make it great, and it's why the original series still holds up (despite the cheap animation).

[@hitchhikerwithtowel2721]

So "ABC Presents Q5's Slimer And The Real Ghostbusters" was the "Disney's Brand Spanking New Doug" of its day. One or two of these changes (like voice replacement) may have been unfortunate if overall harmless, but to pile on so many at once (like dumbing down character personalities) was just overwhelming and led to it being disregarded. The main difference is that while everyone thought it was ABC's executive meddling in Doug's case, it was just creator Jim Jenkins trying out new things to keep the show interesting and fresh... when, like TRGB, viewers (like me) wanted more of the same thing that wasn't broken to begin with. I can at least respect Jenkins for the attempt even if I wasn't a fan.

[@supermariof0521]

Q5: We need to strip Janine of all her personality and charm, and turn her into a bland perfect marry sue. DISNEY WHEN THEY MAKE LIVE ACTION REMAKES: Write that down! Write that down!!

[@Tareltonlives]

Or Star Wars movies

[@supermariof0521]

@@Tareltonlives That works too.

[@steamboatwill3.367]

@@Tareltonlives ) nah, G4 wouldn't allow any active women characters

[@supermariof0521]

@@steamboatwill3.367 Depressingly true.

[@GreatHornedCynic]

I get the feeling Poultrygeist and Stay Tooned, two awful Q5 episodes, would have been decent in the original run of the show if they had better executions of their concepts. Imagine that in Poultrygeist the curse managed to be spread to the whole city because of chickens infected by the original creature, causing a massive outbreak. The guys have to stop it but with the added danger of all of them being potentially infected. For Stay Tooned, reality as a whole is warped because of the ghost entering the TV and the ghostbusters take advantage of the fact that they can't really be hurt anymore to have some fun. But as time goes on reality threatens to rip itself apart because of some kind of pseudo-scientific explanation and they have to reverse the changes before everything is destroyed. With some better writing and the clear danger factor the original good episodes had, they could've been decent, even genuinely good episodes. What other bad episodes post Q5 do you think could have worked on the original run?

[@ExtremeWreck]

The Stay Tooned concept has been better in a 1996 PC game of the same name.

[@JurassicRod]

It was the change to Janine and Peter especially that made me stop watching the show. It just wasn't Peter anymore.

[@xgray2012]

Rods toy box Ditto.

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

I can tell you what they made Peter. Look up 'The complainer is always wrong' from TV Tropes and that's more or less what they turned him into. =\

[@jdzencelowcz]

They wanted Slimer in the forefront, fine, DO SOMETHING WITH HIM. Explore the fact that a ghost is helping ghost hunters. Samhain called him a traitor once, maybe have Slimer dealing with ghostly bounty hunters, or since a ghost is just a dead person usually, have him meet his descendants or we have an ep where we go back to when he was alive & we find he had a tragic backstory; something, ANYTHING.....maybe things coulda been salvaged.......maybe............

[@freakfoxvevo7915]

Q5: Oh no! Are you thinking of character development? Can't have that in our shows because Kids are idiots and we can't have them think for 1 second cuz shut up, we have PhDs

[@autobotstarscream765]

@@freakfoxvevo7915 Also Q5: Sees Samhain and dies of a heart attack

[@gracekim1998]

i love that idea

[@pullahoko]

This is so sad. I have the complete series on DVD and now I'm almost afraid to watch it. Like I'm morbidly curious to see the show slowly begin declining but..... wow. A great breakdown of how corporate meddling can absolutely destroy something great.

[@supermariof0521]

I get the feeling that these executives know that the show was fine the way it was, and so they purposely lie about the show being "broken" so they can purposely get a popular show cancelled because of sheer jealousy.

[@ToruKun1]

When I was a kid I thought the Ghostbusters show sucked since most of the episodes airing at the time were Slimer-dominated and I couldn't stand him. Definitely worse than Scrappy-Doo in my book.

[@xgray2012]

+ToruKun1 Well at least Scooby-Doo has been evolving into better incarnations over the years, such as "A Pup Named Scooby-Doo", "What's New, Scooby-Doo?!" and "Scooby-Doo: Mystery Incorporated". But man...these Q fuck-tards really ruined the show when they've changed Janine's character later on. I mean, I actually loved Janine's previous look and her Brooklyn accent from the first seasons. No offense to Kath Soucie, I like her and all, but Laura Zimmer is and will always be the definitive voice actress of Janine Melnitz.

[@phantomzone2725]

Great Gazoo was also a pain in the ass when Flintstones was downgrading on the ratings, so as you can see, TV executives are always a bunch of brainless people wearing tuxedos.

[@autobotstarscream765]

@@phantomzone2725 At least Scrappy and Gazoo were inflicted on dying shows because that's when taking chances makes sense, Q5 decapitated a *successful* show _in its prime!_

[@Dinosaurprince]

How can you even compare Slimer to two clever and genuinely funny characters like Scrappy and Gazoo? Scrappy saved Scooby Doo.

[@xboxforever3946]

Well that was when the network ruined it

[@SamtheBravesFan]

6:23 I really love that exchange between Janine and Slimer. Great voice work, great timing. Just makes me smile every time I see it.

[@ForrestFox626]

Their dynamic in the first two seasons were perfect

[@xgray2012]

I've found a few episodes in the later seasons that are actually pretty good.... -Robo-buster -Partners in Slime -The Haunting of "Heck" House (Hell House) -Halloween II 1/2 -The Boogie Man's Back -Copycat -Standing Room Only -The Grundel -Loathe Thy Neighbor -The Halloween Door -The Flip Side -Follow That Hearse -Elementary, My Dear Winston! -Janine You've Changed -Transylvanian Homesick Blues -It's A Jungle Out There -Future Tense What do you think about them?

[@Mooms]

I honestly feel bad for Lorenzo Music and Laura Summer, it was clear they loved working on the show and I don’t doubt they were likely upset finding out they were being replaced

[@rebeckylee157]

Yup! As a kid from the 80s, when the ‘Real Ghostbusters’ changed the voice of Janine and added kids, I turned it off and went outside to play (or if raining, played with my toys instead). I HATED when my favorite shows got sidekicks, wannabe kids, and dumbed down what I had initially enjoyed. I was only 9, but I knew my favorite cartoon had gone to crap, kind of like when they added Scrappy Doo to my Scooby shows. I got so angry, like ‘why’d they change it?’ And ‘it’s unfair!’

[@autobotlaserbolt2128]

At least we didn't have to see Lorenzo Music get dragged down by saying he's Venko The Clown.

[@andreasnickmann370]

When Slimer isn't on the screen, everyone should ask "where's Slimer?"

[@dricsi07]

Wow! Were this business guys came from from the 50s or something?

[@Hromovlad1]

+dricsi07 seeing how some people from the 80s are still in charge today, that would not surprise me

[@rattis]

+dricsi07 Well yeah, that's actually very likely considering that this show came out when the 50's happened only 30 years ago. Some of them could very well have been born in the 1920's.

[@dkupke]

+dricsi07 Some of them, maybe. But I think its more like they were all stuffed shirts completely cut off from reality. The boardroom can be a gilded cage sometimes.