Tekken 8 - DEFINITIVE Controller & Input Guide (ALL TECHNIQUES)

[@-Fr0nt]

Its always nice to have a breakdown of prices you might find when looking to jump into a new hobby so you can decide how to set yours. Might add to this later. I don’t know a lot of brands/manufacturers out there yet. *IN USD* Controllers: PS5 DS - $70 PS5 DS EDGE Controller - $200 XBOX Controller - $60 LEVERED: Quanba Obsidian 2 - $300 Quanba Titan - $225 Hori Alpha - $200 LEVERLESS: Haute42 T16 -$100 Razer kitsune - $300 LEVERS: IST Alpha 49S - $44.95 IST Alpha N - $69.95 IST Knee Lever - $69.95

[@Xzqwerty2324zX]

I’m starting out with the T16, never thought leverless controllers would be so accessible! Love it so far but I am looking to upgrade to something a bit bigger in the future.

[@UltimateHansford]

Sanjuks V7 - Blood Pact and secret society membership.

[@lowkeybeatspg]

It's up there with MMSWE

[@WrathofGuldan]

K levers are sold out everywhere right now.

[@mikeshinwa3398]

@@Xzqwerty2324zXI don’t see myself upgrading at all in the near future. Not until I reach Tekken God where I want different buttons and stuff lol.

[@shinrah7636]

Leverless/Hitbox is a game changer for me. I was born with a disabled left hand, extremely stiff and slow fingers. With leverless, I can help using my right fingers to push direction buttons on P1. Im 40yrs old now, i never thought ill be coming back to play Tekken again after playing TT1 and T3 on arcades decades ago.

[@fidelc4shfl0w75]

Dude that is so fucking sick to hear. I'm honestly so hype for you reading that haha

[@pyscho86]

hmh u can use the lever on the right side aswell i guess.

[@Vespyr_]

Consider using a reversed, right-handed leverless controller? I used to use the arrows with my right hand back when I used a keyboard years ago. c:

[@UltimateBallaPOM]

🥹😭❤

[@RedDenim]

i thought hitboxes were lame up until your comment, glad you're able to enjoy fighting games again man

[@soulxcv]

Phidx is hands down the best T8 content creator right now

[@omarmedina3893]

Hard agree, he helped me so much

[@FlapJackAnalog]

I agree he’s really break it down in an understandable way or new and casuals returning trying to get a better grasp of the game

[@t.0fu.]

FACTS.

[@intellectic9155]

You're hands down the best bot in these comments RN.

[@problemls1856]

Literally the best 🎉

[@voraminfantes5264]

I'm definitely a controller nerd and I love watching videos about different peripherals and this is one of the best I've seen just in idea alone. Instead of vaguely talking about how good or bad different peripherals could be, you go in, test, and then show how well the peripherals do with each specific technique. Awesome work man.

[@1fareast14]

Just wanted to call out the quality of the commentary/vocal delivery here. Very fluent, clear, and organized. Not easy to do live, I'd probably do worse despite having years of experience in a similar area

[@PhiDX]

Thank you 😭 doing it live is easier on my mental than lots of editing in post, but has so many challenges

[@1fareast14]

@PhiDX My own projects kept dying in post-production till I started doing them live, so feel ya

[@emocelot]

for anyone playing on keyboard/leverless. Some cheats that aren't mentioned here. p1 side electric: you can use your right hand to press 2 and forward and the same time, so it's essentially free with very little practice. p2 side wave dash: Hold left with your left ring finger. then tap right with your right index, then roll right, down with your left index and middle for SOCD wave dash.

[@thetitsarefree]

“My Korean lever extra thick” Hope that doesn’t stay in my head all week

[@phokingill]

Girth gang. 😤

[@facksmasheen]

"I use my mouth, not my hands.... TO EXPLAIN THE GAME" 😂

[@gunner188]

Hahahaha damnit was on my way to comment this

[@Maggotbone]

The reason why Instant While Running is easier when input as fnff compared to ffnf is because the game recognizes iWR as "input finished within ~6 frames after starting a dash". So if you start your dash later (fnff), there'll be less time between the dash and the button compared to if you start your dash earlier (ffnf).

[@MC_HANDROLLED]

I think a double tap is also just easier than a triple tap. After 2 it’s difficult to keep proper count and you can feel kind of out of control imo

[@Choopachoopapa]

PhiDX man, you went from being a content creator I had no idea about to my legitimate number 1 creator to watch. Props dude, your content is fire 🔥

[@intellectic9155]

Props on these bot comments too.

[@bigluxurious]

The EWGF tip at 16:10 about imagining hitting d + 2 at the same time opposed to df+2 is a game changer. When I focused on that I started hitting electrics with way more consistency. Appreciate the high quality learning content you've been putting out. Good shit!

[@excellent_potato]

Can't believe you explained and demonstrated all of this live! Awesome stuff! Also, besides learning Tekken, I kind of like the vibe of this community. It's chill and very nice to be in, making the learning journey fun. I have been playing Tekken as a casual for years now, and Tekken 8 is something I realy want to get good at. Keep pumping out content and thanks!

[@thugjesus2860]

I just had an existential crisis about controllers yesterday, I realised I could do inputs and combos on keyboard within 10 minutes what took me a week to do on fight stick. Good timing on this video.

[@agiyx8591]

While keyboard is way easier to learn you have to keep in mind that skill learned from one controller does translate to another. Ofc not fully but being aware of the inputs etc makes it easy.

[@GeneticFreak]

Mechanicaal keyboards are criminally underrated in Tekken. Just because the game was famous as a PS game so a lot of my friends just recommend gamepads

[@pyscho86]

i thought so too when i had no clue, but later i noticed that just easy stuff like triple or double forward is more easy on keyboard.

[@staygoldcortez]

Played on pad my whole life and thought I needed a stick to get to the next level. Got a stick, got a bit better, and thought I would get even BETTER on a hitbox. Now that I have all of these controllers I realize i could have stayed on any of them and just improved my fundamental skills. I find leverless the easiest/fastest but stick is the most fun for me🤙🏾

[@heroman1322]

That’s same here for me as well! My fight stick is harder to adjust to, but it’s much more fun to play on for me!

[@zzz8606]

Same tbh! I don't regret switching to stick though for the sheer size and comfort of it. Being able to lay my hands and play mostly with my fingers is very comfortable.

[@subrezon]

The keyboard is 90% like a hitbox, but there are some differences which I consider beneficial: - It doesn't lock you into doing directionals with the left hand and attacking with the right, a lot of people use arrows with their right hand to move and attack with the left. AFAIK Devilster plays like this. - WASD layout is great for people coming into fighting games with a lot of experience in other game genres, especially highly technical games like Counter Strike that also have movement techniques with strict timings. - If you feel like bending the rules a little (or a lot), you can map not only D-pad directionals, but both stick directionals as well. Mapping the right stick is pretty cool for turning the camera in customization mode, but the left stick actually gives you a second set of directional inputs, which you can do absolutely nutty things with. - If you're into mechanical keyboards - they allow for a lot of customization and self-expression, just like arcade sticks. Different switches, different keycaps, different keyboards allow you to dial in both look and function exactly like you want. - I actually play on a custom split keyboard that is split in two halves, allowing me to have my hands around shoulder width apart, contributing to good posture and reducing fatigue. I'm actually developing an open-source fighting keyboard right now! Split in two halves, fully customizable and (hopefully) very cheap to build, with support for all the cool firmwares like GP2040-CE, QMK, ZMK, KMK, etc.

[@NotHere-un5pf]

A split keyboard sounds perfect! Do they make those readily available? I would buy one instantly.

[@zerokyko]

Sounds awesome, would love an update if you ever sell or provide your setup.

[@yhuyyh]

wasd is so intuitive, I dropped my stick for a mixbox

[@jamalsiddique1362]

Anyone else just super happy to see this channel doing so well and growing so fast. Genuinely the best tekken educational videos made. Full stop. I send every new player this way because the quality is insanely high. Good job man the full time is paying off hard :)

[@UTOOOOOOOY]

the 2p KBD for the pad is probably one of the best things I have ever learned from any guide in Tekken, You're the man PhiDX love it.

[@foxstomp4016]

Hearing you mention that getting diagonals on a korean lever can be a little tough was exactly what I needed to hear right now. I recently switched out my JLF for a korean lever in my custom stick, and while I absolutely love how everything else feels, I have definitely been stuggling with diagonal inputs and feeling reeeal scrubby for it. Thanks for the self-esteem boost, coach!

[@JustSRK0]

Been playing fighting games for over 20 yrs. Never got into tekken till the end of T7. Learning Tekken(8) has been the most fun I’ve had learning a new fighting game and it’s thanks to this channel. You’ve earned yourself a fan for life!

[@dankstreams7158]

What type of controller did you decide on?

[@JustSRK0]

@@dankstreams7158 Razor Kitsune. On my lap as I type this message. I love it. Still learning, but it feels great. Wish I had this years ago.

[@GaspoweR]

This video was a tier list, review and technique guide rolled into one and I wasn’t expecting that.

[@kylehuntxr]

If you are going with leverless for KBD a slightly different method I learned recently that makes me much faster is plinking. Plinking is where you quickly roll your fingers to get inputs on separate frames On P1: hold back > plink from forward to down with left hand > tap right with right hand (This Wavedashes on P2 side) / ALT: while holding left > tap down with left hand > double tap right with right hand On P2: plink from down to right with left hand > tap right with right hand (This also Wavedashes on P1 side) Also for iWR on leverless if you SOCD plink dash (press and hold forward and quickly tap back) and just plink back right after like a fast double tap basically you’ll get the while running. I hope that made sense cause I’ve never attempted to explain this in writing before.

[@00Spiral007]

I go through cycles where I get magical thinking about a new controller, and how it will change the way I play. Just ordered a Haute42 and want to go leverless, but this video made it clear that the transition will be just like when I went from PS2 controllers to my first Hori back in the day. Thanks for the candid presentation! Stuck around for the whole thing lol.

[@NytoDork]

Stick has become my favorite because it's got such a difficult learning curve. It makes me focus more on fundamentals than execution, while also feeling really rewarding when i do nail the execution.

[@unclapped3944]

On leverless, on the P1 side, you can hold the down button with your left hand and the forward and '2' button together with your right hand to get an EWGF (if your hand is big enough)

[@zachrider5207]

Couple of notes for leverless. P1 side is generally better for leverless players because you can put your right hand on the right direction button. This allows for faster KBDs and Wavedashes using your right hand for some inputs. And auto-timed electrics using your right hand to hit right + 2 at the same time.

[@MC_HANDROLLED]

True but it’s a bit of a crutch because you’ll be so much weaker on the other side. IMO it’s better to just learn the proper movement and timings. You’ll go to play offline and get washed

[@noctuid9353]

If you have a controller with more thumb buttons or just a keyboard, you can hit any direction with your right thumb, and KBDs and wavedashes are trivial on either side Or you can just swap up and down like someone else mentioned and hit that with your right thumb (though that won't help with electrics)

[@pyscho86]

not true, if ur left hand fingers work nice ur not faster using ur right hand to help. That just helps if ur left hand fingers are slow and stiff.

[@UltimateBallaPOM]

Excellent point. I went through the comments because I assumed he wouldn't have known the tech. Most of the movement options are superior on leverless

[@UltimateBallaPOM]

​@@MC_HANDROLLED This is because you can skyrocket in skill on P1 Leverless and there's a large learning curve on P2 that dudes tend not to practice on that side... And there's way less shortcuts.

[@MrNigel117]

for controllers, i've heard of some players use the stick for certain inputs that a dpad might make slightly more difficult. also a major thing kb has is access to the arrow keys as a second set of inputs (not sure if that's tournament legal) but it makes wavedashing easier cause i can tap f with my right thumb. same with kbd, i can hold b tap f with my thumb, and then tap d with my left middle finger. plus there's the additional buttons that's easy to map. i find transitioning from kb to a leverless is hard because i use q, and e for shortcuts which pretty much every controller option other than kb doesn't have. i also really like the smaller keys, imo it's less travel time from key to key and i feel like i have to stretch my hand to fit the buttons.

[@Aura_Flare]

Great vid! As someone who uses a ps controller for every fighting game, something that's always worked for me to make inputs easier is swapping between the d-pad and analog stick for certain motions. I say ps controller specifically because of the positioning of the stick and d-pad. I find it harder to move my thumb up for the xbox controller analog then to move my thumb down for the ps analog for qcf and qcb motions among some other things. A good example is specifically for doing EWGF (exclusively on P1 side, P2 side is d-pad only), I press forward on the d-pad then move my thumb down to do the d,df motion on the analog stick so i can more accurately think about pressing 2 when i press down. It also helps with stuff like: Wave dash - qcf on analog, f on d-pad Snake dash - qcf on analog, up on d-pad Hayashida step - qcb on analog, up on d-pad etc... I know transitioning between analog stick and d-pad can be a little weird for some people but it's helped me a TON specifically with Tekken. That all being said, that leverless is looking mighty enticing as a Lili player

[@Flawlesslaughter]

A little note, the korean lever grommet feels more intuitive to kbd on not just because of the extra tension, but because the natural way that the rubber goes back to will more naturally release down first and then back. The tension of the grommet is non-linear and vs the spring tension which is linear.

[@dofuspowa10]

This guide is incredible! Thank you so much for doing this! I'm starting on hitbox because of my wrist problems since playing a lot of FGs and I had trouble with wavedashiong, your explanation and trick really did it for me!

[@danilocaetanofernandes5208]

Just a quick tip to those learning Wave Dash. What really worked for me to learn the movement in both Pad and Stick was canceling one Crouch Dash into a f,f attack, like Devil Jin's Demon Paw. You do f ~ qcf ~ f+2 and try that a couple of times to learn to cancel out of the CD before adding a second qcf. When you get really confortable with doing Demon Paw out of a crouch dash, then you add a second qcf.

[@rryuko3668]

cant believe u just got 50k subs so fast, last time it was like only 20k, keep up bro !!!

[@thewizard3075]

Watching the streams feels like being in the backstage and seeing the production of each episode. The funniest thing was how the tumbnail was made xd

[@Devilish420]

This review was great and validated my decision to get a leverless controller. I also got the Kitsune and i love how lightweight it is.

[@RezDK]

Should've mentioned keyboard more cuz everyone sees the advantages but none of the disadvantages/issues it comes with like not being able to quickly double tap since u can't slide ur fingers off like u can on hitbox/mixbox or the higher possibility to fat finger/getting stuck on those tiny buttons. 6:25 perfect example u can't slide off like that on keyboard the "easy kbd" version to me feels a lot harder than the regular one. Another one is not having anti ghosting or n key rollover can mess up or even completely deny certain inputs those are issues ppl aren't aware of. I play on stick & keyboard i like to go back and forth i gotta say keyboard isn't as perfect/flawless as ppl believe it is.

[@Kliv]

I dont know why youtube recommended this video to me, but i'm glad it did. I found this sneak peak into fighting games controls fascinating.

[@IAmAwsomeO1]

@PhiDX, you don't even know how much I appreciate these videos. Your videos helped me figure out how to be better at mind games and execution.

[@Strangz_ODT]

I think the “think down +2” for electric works because most peoples hand or thumb drifts after hitting any input . So a lot of times you will naturally drift from down to down forward, especially if in your brain you headed to down forward anyways because of the crouch dash. So something about the timing between your brain thinking and your hands responding, by the time it all registers you end up pressing 2 at the same time as the down forward even tho in your head you though down +2.

[@CashySwanson]

I have my first tekken tourney in july, i have never played tekken before, and i signed up before i ever even bought the game (tragic case of i must win every tournament i get my hands on syndrome). I know that this was supposed to be a guide on what is the best input method, but i learned so much from this its insane. I use thumbstick but now im gonna dedicate and use the D-pad until i eventually get a stick or hitbox (grew up with a family arcade we built, kb&m player currently, so prolly a hitbox but idk)

[@tamaskarsai5784]

It is funny that soon as a question forms in my head regarding to the game 2 days pass by and you release a video answering that exact question more or less. Thanks for your work! Keepnit up, you are awesome.

[@kincaedx]

Great video! I've been on leverless for a while and picked up a kitsune recently since locals are ps5. I think it's a pretty great option. Interesting that the only real 'con' of leverless is predictability, or lack of seamless/fluid motions. I feel like that could be worked around pretty easily, but I also don't see the game at the level you're talking about. Lol

[@mazenyasser7208]

A Pad tip that instantly improved my EWGF is doing the full input with my left hand only, Using L1 (2+3 Heat burst) to do EWGF instead of 2.. This worked well in Tekken 7 but in Tekken 8 they changed something so now this only works for Kazuya and Reina, not Jin and Devil Jin, you will get the command throw if you try that on them.

[@zwartesoep2010]

Check all shortcuts that have a 2, chances are a different one on left trigger gives 2 priority when it read the CD input I'm guessing you use the 2+3 which now gives priority to the 2 command throw

[@optionlV]

For KBD, iWR, Electrics and Wavedash on 1P side, nothing beats leverless with the "2nd position". Using the right index finger to press "right", instead of with just the left hand. This splits up the required dexterity between both your hands/fingers. The bad news is this doesn't apply to 2P side, unless you have an extra "left" button bound on the right side, ala Cross Up. Thanks for the video, very interesting to compare input methods.

[@m3lodeth]

For the wavedash, if you're struggling to do 2 at once I suggest doing the half step. After doing a normal mishima crouch dash, do a forward. You know you're doing it properly if you see your character doing a f,f animation. This f,f is also crucial to wavedashing because a lot of the mix-ups come from this as well. Also, in order to master this, I don't suggest using Kazuya or Reina because they have a mist step. This can be used like a crutch if ever you have a misinput on your wavedash.

[@RyuHousen]

Great video covering all the peripherals. Not that I use it myself, but I think there is something oddly enticing about using the Xbox Series controller for Tekken. The fact that you can't depress the middle actually makes your overall inputs a lot cleaner, and it's so tactile that there's no mistaking what you're doing. I would extract the d-pad and put it in every controller I own if I could. For me it's probably the best d-pad in recent memory, and 2nd best of all time, only behind the GBA SP.

[@c1ownh4rd]

absolutely! It got me only a week to get used to and I'd never go back to ps controllers. Another tech with it is that you dont have to commit to adjescent direction with your thumb, for examle in korean backdash, I put my thumb on the low edge of "back" and pull in downwards if I need to "backcrouch" so my thumb never leaves the place. I'd loose my shit over Steave's shiro combo trying it on a ps dpad. Learned it in 2 days with xbox controller. But honestly, I swithed like 4 of them because of it's chinese plastic, stick drifts and other bs. They don't last. The price on them should be like 10$ at max. So yeah, that dpad must be fkin golden literally. "With great power comes bags of money you idiot" :D P.S. I was a sony boy since ps1 up until Xbox X and a tekken boy since tekken 3.

[@rahzaelfoe3288]

Just a note for keyboard players/leverless players with extra buttons and customizable button mappings. I would consider binding left to a button that's easily reachable with your right hand (perhaps with your right thumb). I think it really helps with P2 execution of most techniques and means you have to rely on your weak left ring finger a lot less. Questionable if legal (although as far as I am aware TWT doesn't have rules against duplicate binds like CPT does), but if push comes to shove you might have to unbind left from your left hand. A little less intuitive for blocking and normal movement, but would probably still pay dividends in the long run.

[@writofassistance]

Leverless is the best imo. Pad player for YEARS and I can already do things on the leverless that I couldnt dream of on pad within 20 hours. KDB, EWGF, QCF its crazy how much easier it is. No more thumb pain from mashing qcf and KBD inputs (Paul and Anna player). No more replacing membranes from busted controllers. Highly recommended.

[@Gurgio]

There are many videos like that, but looking at the common techniques is pretty interesting

[@ДаниилСоколов-д7ъ]

Thanks, man, your analyses are the best. Everything sorted and observed from all directions.

[@thehartmann]

One tip for the Instant While Standing inputs with QCF input (at least for Pad as that's the only controller I'm using) is to do the full QCF input, but be sure to go back to neutral before inputting your attack, since the specific crouch dash attack only gets triggered when you hit D, DF, F+Button -> hitting D, DF, F, N+Button will give you a while standing move. That way you still get an instant while standing move while having much more leniency with your directional inputs, since you don't have to be so careful not to hit the forward input. (I'm not sure if this works for every character but it works for Nina and I'm just gonna assume it works for others, feel free to correct me though) EDIT: Turns out this only really works for Nina. Other specific moves like Bryan's WS3 works, but seemingly only because his QCF3 is the same move.

[@JTalbayne]

I dont have electrics 100% down yet. But those years of practicing DP motions in Streetfighter titles and pressing the punch button on the DF direction instead of forward just for precision. REEEEEAAAALY helped I saw that and my brain said "oh.. do quick Shouryu" and an electric came out.

[@Whoooodie]

for keyboard users ive been following the advice from another video I saw recommending QASD, with Q being up and A being down to use the same fingers for every motion. for leverless users i recommend getting a Wooting analog keyboard, as it has the lowest input delay, lowest actuation point and rapid trigger functionality. rapid trigger deactivates the key as soon as you remove pressure from the key, doing away with the key travel problem keyboards have had as opposed to leverless buttons. ive used hitbox from tekken tag 2 and have since switched to a keyboard that I can input TJUs on. also you can configure it to output as a DirectX gamepad so you can use it on any console.

[@KimmyR3]

the Haute42 T16 uses keyboard switches, but on a typical hitbox form factor.

[@Whoooodie]

@@KimmyR3 hall effect/ analog switches cannot function on normal boards

[@18ccase]

I wired my thumb on my leverless to be down. It really helps with fatigue when it comes to finger fatigue with KBD on both sides using sodc. Honestly it reduces finger fatigue in general since you very rarely will go from middle->ring->middle->ring which is where most of the pain problems come from. Had to swap from stick since my wrist couldn't take it anymore and leverless turned out to be just as bad for me pain wise until I swapped these inputs.

[@justinli826]

It's important as well to note for all input methods, when doing iWS (instant while-standing) moves, there's a different way to do it that's more speed based, so it can be more or less difficult depending on which method you are doing. The "cheat" iWS method here is to do a wavedash, but instead of doing a neutral and then back+button to get the iWS, you go immediately from df to db, release the button and hit the move. What this does is cancel your wavedash into a crouch and you can do your ws move after letting go of the button as per normal. This will be easier for most people who are doing iWS moves out of a wavedash, but may not be fast enough for situations where you're e.g. using the iWS in a combo. The difference is negligible for situations where you're doing it for oki or mixups. The true iWS method (what Phi is doing here) is timing based, and comes down to being comfortable with your inputs, but you're also more likely to get the wrong input if you get the timing wrong. You have more flexibility in when the move comes out with the cheat method, but it can't get as fast.

[@victorycalls4179]

This was SO detailed. Thank you so much for the effort PhiDX! I am new to Tekken and purchase an arcade stick about a month ago. The only issue is that my desk is far too high to play comfortably with my wrists and I've learned muscle memory through a ton of hours over the last month with it. Lap is hella uncomfortable for me. I'm sad that I have to switch to pad, but I'm sure it will be a much easier experience for me. Stick is quite unforgiving.

[@Jimson-wx8uq]

This is the best video I've seen for breaking down the tradeoffs of different controller types.

[@cherryboywriter6299]

Bless you for making things because it feels like no one ever make comprehensive controller and technique guides. Can't wait for the EWGF video

[@SnowflakeSSQ]

I love how Phidx is always helping players no matter what the Tekken game is.

[@YourTamedLion]

I think you convinced me to finally try korean lever and leverless - Mishima main on Japanese sticks for more years than I would like to admit🤐

[@palmleafcooking]

Haven't finished the video yet, but so much respect for continually bringing up ergonomics and stressing that people take care of their hands. I suffered from a hand injury (ulnar nerve) for almost two whole years which made me more or less unable to use it for anything. That of course included gaming, it was easily the worst time of my life. Please take care of yourselves.

[@kwelts]

for iWR on leverless, you can alternate your index middle and ring finger on the forward button to more easily "shortcut" triple tap

[@variant_oh8252]

I use the Xbox elite series 2 controller with the circle dpad and ewgf was actually really easy you can just brush your thumb from d to df all you have to do is time the 2 which isn’t hard once you get the feel for it ( this was my first day learning TEKKEN btw )

[@DiamondDogggg]

Wow! Pressing down and 2 made electrics make it make a little more sense to me! Tysm 😭

[@JunWri]

Your vids have really been helping, I can hit ewgf 9/10 times now on controller. Hope you reach 100k+ subs soon

[@JadenDaJedi]

My own personal take - on the stick, if you use a ‘wine glass grip’ (stick held between thumb, index, and back of the middle finger) makes P2 KBD way more normal as you have the flexing of your index and middle finger to push your stick as opposed to your whole hand moving.

[@knugget7310]

Instant while standing i accidentally did in a match - practiced it and now i know how to do it ever since 👏

[@TavrosVitram]

The reason that imagining inputting the 2 at the same time as the d instead of d/f helps to properly time EWGF is because for every other move, pressing the direction first is a lot more consistent. Take for example if you wanted to input f+1, logically you would prefer to press the f before the 1, because doing so the other way around would cause the wrong move to come out; you'd get 1 instead of f+1. If we learned to frame perfect input every single move, we probably wouldn't develop this habit, but that's neither reasonable nor necessary. As a result, we end up developing a sort of mental lag wherein we want to input the direction before the attack button to ensure we're doing the right one (better to be correct and a frame or two late than use the wrong move). Try looking at your inputs when you do any normal attack (d/f+1, motion inputs too like qcb+3) and you'll notice you'll be inputting the final direction for a few frames before the attack button. The downside is that we must adjust to counteract this delay when learning electrics due to the just-frame nature. The easiest way to do this is to think of inputting it on the d instead, so in reality that extra mental delay will move it to the same frame as the d/f input.

[@dizzygunner]

As a leverless player I have some techniques that could change your tier orders or just help other leverless players or help people decide what to get. For KBD, it's much easier to learn, your challenge was to KBD race you, my challenge would be to get a Tekken noob to learn how to KBD in 5 mins on stick, that's how long it took me to learn p1 side, and for p2 side, if you move your right index over to back, it's just as easy. For wavu, you pretty much covered it, except for p2 side, you can do and SOCD trick to get it a similar way to p1 side. Basically you hold left the do a quarter circle motion but go from right to down, instead of down to right, then tap right with your right index similar to how you explained. For EWGF, on p1 side you can hit for and the button with your right hand to make it trivial, so trivial I can get 100 EWGFs in a row, and I don't even play a Mishima. That's pretty much all my advice for leverless, but I think it would change your tiers a bit for those techniques. TLDR DK bongos are the best input device.

[@dechuggs9129]

As someone that plays pad and keyboard, I use pad for precise execution like mishimas (2d characters as well) and keyboard for pure speed such as dragunov or Claudio. For those that are learning keyboard, buy a wrist rest please and practice a little bit every day to build up dexterity in your hand because it is by far the hardest controller to just pick up and play compared to pad or stick with the trade off with it having the highest skill ceiling.

[@tabkg5802]

Ngl would've been sick to see comparison between T8 Jin zen cancels but this is already a crazy detailed video lmao

[@DTJonsemi]

When you turned the Razer Kitsune box to show it's already opened, I for some reason had a surprised pikachu face lol!

[@rambot670]

The video that everyone needed but didn't know !

[@JaredMS0]

Phi, speaking as an instructor by trade, you have a talent that I hope you take advantage of. Charge a lot for coaching!! You’re an incredible communicator.

[@iggyyyyyyy]

I was thinking the same thing! Good a prepping for these livestream classes and he's able to break down different learning styles in his clients. I'm following for more than just Tekken lol

[@ChrisDelChris]

And then there’s me using a controller and analog stick like an absolute ghoul.

[@hitherebuddy812]

If you swap the positions of the down and left buttons in a leverless then wavedashing becomes the same motion on both sides. Same as electrics. Makes everything much easier to learn.

[@zhenli9101]

I absolutely loved this video. You thanked us for watching but no, thank you for taking the time to create this content and explain everything in depth. Perfect. I know the Korean Lever is your fave, but this video has inspired me to go ahead and order a Razor Kitsune. Currently at Fujin rank and think that this will help take my tekken gaming to the next level!!

[@DespairMagic]

16:21 - OMG! This adviced helped me SO DAMN much getting the electrics more consistently on pad now... I used to do a weird ass grip where I pull the left stick together with my thumb when I press triangle to get electircs basically 100% of the time. But thats not mobile enough and only helps against non moving opponents. With this trick I can get better with pad until I get me a Hitbox.

[@aqueelkadri8371]

What the I didn't realize I had been watching this video for an hour until you mentioned it towards the end. I thought the video was 17 mins max

[@No6ixx]

Glad more people acknowledge the xbox pad, It was one of the reasons i still buy it on console, the clicky pad is so good for fighters

[@takohma1056]

Amazing video. Idk how I missed this.

[@auroranamex5886]

Plastic leverless controllers were painful, so I use shoeboxes now. It helps a lot actually. Btw, leverless allows slipping buttons insted of pressing/smashing wich is hella useful for kbding. And yeah with slipping tech you can socd kbd on both sides with one hand.

[@connorcplus]

I am definitely going to use the tip for electrics by pressing down and 2 at the same time. Looks like this will be easier for me for practicing with Jin

[@recht181]

In older tekken games (TTT2 for example) on pad I could set the right stick to be another movement input, which made certain techniques easier

[@skittyjazz]

me and a friend just purchased tekken 8 like a few days ago and wow i'm glad i stumbled upon this video. good stuff

[@archduke0000]

Never would have guessed you were tired af when you made this lmao, thanks for what you're doing for the community homie

[@brandon_yl_is_busted_af9316]

I watched him make this live AYYYY Fantastic video, Phi always pushes to have his content be the highest quality. Comparing each controller each technique was genius.

[@jameji_phd]

I love leverless for KBD specifically because of a weird thing I can do with full-neutral SOCD cleaning - instead of doing the cancel by using crouch and the opposing direction, for some reason it also works with up, so using my left hand for the left-right SOCD and my right thumb for up, I was able to go from not being able to KBD to being a pretty fast backdasher in maybe 10 minutes of practice. Also on leverless IWR is even easier than Phi showed - you can take 3 fingers and piano them one after the other on a single direction, holding down the last finger, to get a SUPER fast IWR.

[@catnipnapkin3329]

Tip for KB: I played T7 for hundreds of hours with a PS4 controller, but switched to keyboard when I started T8 (mostly to see if I could get more PEWGF) and I kinda strained my hands really quickly. I quickly found out that I relax my hands A LOT more if I tilt the keyboard upwards. Not a full 90 degrees, but maybe close to 45. That way I don't have to "float" my hands as Phi said early in the video. I hope this'll help some hurting KB player out there ^^

[@Cherokeechuck9]

I've been grinding on hitbox and my shit has been aching lol I'll try this

[@Simon_Denmark]

You see that a lot in FPS esports games but I'm pretty sure that it's mostly to get more room for mouse movement and you can get closer to your monitor.

[@Th3King0fHearts]

I love my kitsune, never going back to d-pads again. The satisfaction and comfort i just wasnt ready for, been using it since MK1 but in Tekken it truly shines

[@thomasschmidt1452]

As Xiaoyu main I should add her unique IWS2 form backturn (RDS). While Xiaoyu is in backturn she can't press f to turn around fast like other character. So to do that she need to press uf, then f, then df to go into crouch, then * and then quick press 2. IWS2 is the most difficult of her move not only because of the cracked qcf imput but also cause her ws2 is a chargable move - to do it in 13 frames, you need to press 2 only for 1 frame. That's why this technique is only for elite Xiaoyu mains - but it is very usefull as 16 frame ch-launcher (-2 on block by the way and good tracking) and it busts combo damage and wall carry significantly. And if it is combined with her crouching low pokes, it is also a decent mixup (safe but not risky).

[@davidantoine6625]

PhiDX is turning into Tekken 8's "The Big Fundamental" content creator a la Tim Duncan - keep up the great work.

[@lumiere245]

I found EWGF harder after switching from Japanese lever to leverless, but I don't main a Mishima and haven't spent much time in the vortex.

[@deadxobbit]

Great video! I'd like to add one of the pros of arcade sticks and leverless - their bigger action buttons make just frame tilda inputs like Reina's [2~1] easier, IMO. You just swipe across the button faces and with some practice it gets very consistent.

[@FalconeHosts]

Hey I hope someone finds this useful, I basically didn’t play Tekken 7 as after the first couple of days playing on PS5 controller I got crippling hand pain that prevented me from typing for like a month. I had never suffered from RSI before. Totally forgot about this, bought Tekken 8 and the pain started to come back. I considered trying a stick but first decided to try remapping my controls. I changed it to 1=R1, 2=R2, 3=X 4=Square. This allows me to hold the controller much more ergonomically and gives me a finger for each fist, with my thumb comfortably covering the kick buttons. I’m about 200 hours in now and no pain whatsoever. Hope this helps!

[@KenjTheSnek]

I use the Hitbox Crossup primarily because my wrist gets really pained and strained from inputs, but I think this translates to other controllers as well: I found out there’s an alternate way to get an iwr on bryan at least, just by doing qcf~b, which is useful for his iwr2.

[@thedarkwonder9954]

This is a great video. I am a Tekken casual and I didn't even realize she of these techniques were a thing. I javw various types of controllers/sticks and I struggle with making the decision on what i should be using. Very informative video. Thanks.

[@devippo]

PhiDX is perfect for youtube and tekken. mate... you are the chosen one.

[@dazmilpeacock1584]

This Video came at the perfect time, I was having a hard time deciding which console/controller I wanted use to start Tekken, This video answered all my questions thanks man

[@simoneserafini5939]

I'm using that specific leverless and I'm a Bryan main. Maybe I missed it, but I use the right thumb to control the UP button. And for iwr a press f with different index. I do the 1st with left index 2nd with right and then left index again + the command button I need with right hand. It took a while to me to make it natural but now is really satisfying 😂

[@mauriceemond7319]

The quality and depth of your videos is honestly the best Tekken has. Wish you the best

[@DE4DZONE]

Bro wtf I literally was just on the fence of grabbing a leverless for the first time earlier this morning and you drop this banger

[@arajin2523]

there is an easy way to do a P2 wavedash on hitbox, you have to hold back, while holding back you just do the P1 wavedash with two hands but instead of QCF you have to QC down. so it goes like this: while holding back, f, f, df, d