The Future of Tekken 8.

[@blaximum]

Ulsan's face before picking Clive was like "I didn't wanna do this, but here we are 🤷". Edit: Phi skipped past Ulsan's initial internal conflict at the character select screen, but you can still see the disappointment in his face lol.

[@FennecFOX_0392]

Dude Ulsan's face just reminds me of Book when he won Evo japan with Leroy.

[@blaximum]

​@@FennecFOX_0392 yup same energy

[@eracer166]

Well well well, ShillDX is out here trying to show us a well put together set of data about Clive and encouraging us to form our own opinions. What a cringelord, r/Tekken will be hearing about this!

[@reign9933]

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[@JackGarland-tf3mp]

​@@reign9933 he's making a joke about out the Tekken subreddit is an echo chamber

[@ashbha4138]

It is kinda shilly. He was really defending Clive's shittiness early on and has now gotten to a more level analysis after seeing general audience's reaction

[@barbedwings]

"He's whiffing like he's PhiDX" cracked me up.

[@thabangmogale8977]

Clive's moves have the same properties that make inclined to think it's Jin players that gravitate towards him. If Jin's moves have less startup frames which makes him "safe" to take turn again, Clive's moves have a huge range that makes him "safe" to take turn again. What you end up seeing is the same gameplay from these players and at high level game play there's just enhanced movement and timing. With Steve I found that that if you anticipate properly you can db1+2 PC most of Clive's flashy moves. And hard read when lows come from PHX stance.

[@burntpotato7116]

Im tgs with jin and tg with clive,even tho they are both brainrot broken they dont really have many similarities at all,jins demon paw isnt homing and he dosent have those broken stance mixups but clive dosent have a long range mid ch launcher and dosent have broken lows or poking like jin does,you are onto nothing

[@burntpotato7116]

Im tgs with jin and tg with clive,even tho they are both brainrot broken they dont really have many similarities at all,jins demon paw isnt homing and he dosent have those broken stance mixups but clive dosent have a long range mid ch launcher and dosent have broken lows or poking like jin does,you are onto nothing

[@burntpotato7116]

Im tgs with jin and tg with clive,even tho they are both brainrot broken they dont really have many similarities at all,jins demon paw isnt homing and he dosent have those broken stance mixups but clive dosent have a long range mid ch launcher and dosent have broken lows or poking like jin does,you are onto nothing

[@LightWavess]

People in T7 were asking for Tifa, weve got Noctis and everyone was annoyed with him. Repeat again in T8 except hes even more extreme than Noctis and hes hated even more for that reason, and once again no Tifa because some 'Clive' almost nobody knows about shows up. Yea great job Namco

[@marcoz7165]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="506">8:26</a> Bars

[@carleffique2687]

VF 6 is the future.

[@Grac01]

I really think f1+2 and 1+2 should be unsafe. That would fix a huge amount of the problem people have with him. F1+2 would still be an incredible whiff punish (especially as it launches in heat), but you wouldn't be able to just throw it out whenever and completely stop your opponent's ability to step. 1+2 should absolutely be the same as Heihachi and Reina. There is zero logical reason for it to be safe. It should only be a punish/wall combo ender.

[@chumchum9899]

Clive doesn't have a i13 DF1, 1+2 is his fastest mid check. The most it can lose without being gutted is tracking to the left

[@alexonstott4954]

B1+2 also needs to be touched to reduce the range a little bit. If 1+2 is unsafe, it would be good to make Df1 i13 to be a true mid check otherwise he would actually get run over by most characters. If they want to keep Df1 at i14 then 1+2 should be safe. That one in particular is tricky to balance

[@NerdLegionInc]

The amount of times in ranked I steal games from using Clives DF+1 4 3 is insane because no one expects the 3 and they try to take their turn because of the slight delay then it leads to huge damage off the 2. And then sometimes i'll just do DF+1 4 and they keep blocking cuz they scared to get hit by the 3 and I can just steal my turn back.

[@alexonstott4954]

You can tell it's a problem when a high level pro match looks the same as a purple rank mirror with move selection and frequency

[@aqueelkadri8371]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="507">8:27</a> "He's poking kinda like his Dragunov, he's whiffing he's Phidx" 😂😂 that caught me off guard

[@1ne_Eyed_King]

As both a very big final fantasy fan (including ff16 and clive himself as a character in his own game) and a big tekken fan, it makes me really sad that the inclusion of one of my favorite characters is dividing the community so much. I won't say it isn't understandably so, I think for the health of the game he probably should be nerfed. But it still makes me really sad how people are reacting to clive himself.

[@edsonmendizabal3097]

It does suck that it divides the community, but the amount of 1+2 and f 1+2 just has been spammed along with the counter mixture power crush titan fist has all been spammed to death. Those 3 moves at the very least should be tweaked for how much it overshadows the entire move set that was given to him.

[@Filterdeez]

Because clive isnt a tekken character. He is more fit for Soul Caliber or MK. Busted, cluttered and ungodly range.

[@1ne_Eyed_King]

​@@edsonmendizabal3097fully agree

[@saviormonroe-lh7oh]

I like this video. The last one felt like BS, but now that you've broken down your perspective I see where you coming from. I think the problem with Clive is if you take away his f 1+2, 1+2 and nerf power crush, he becomes ASS! So IF they do that they have to buff some of his other moves to give you some safe options. Otherwise he'll be easily step-able (if they nerf the tracking on the problematic moves, which they should) but he also becomes easily punishable. He'll have the range, but if they nerf the recovery on parry, he becomes the guy that gets his ass handed to him as soon as you get in his face. It's tricky, and honestly it might just be bad character design overall. Right now he's overly tuned, but taking away what makes him great will make him bad. So idk. I'm going to have faith in the devs to make the right decision to balance him properly because I play Clive and I don't want him to be butchered to the point I can't be effective with him anymore. Far as everything else in the vid, your concerns about season 2 and the overall direction of Tekken 8, I agree. One wrong move in the wrong direction with these new moves and things without adjusting what's already there will be bad for the health of the game and the excitement for tournament play. We'll just have to wait and see.

[@chimby8494]

I dont dislike clive being in tekken hes just boring to fight i dont really even lose to him more than another character. Hes that one spongebob meme where patrick orders the same meal every time time and squidwerds like daring today arent we, but its f 1+2 hes the epitome of you only need these 10 moves to play

[@andrewmarchitto8461]

Everyones putting clive in top 10 or so. I believe, if you play him correctly, hes easily top 3. He has almost no weaknesses except MAYBE for his lows. His only really good low is D 1 or full crouch df 2. His db4 is fast but launch punishable. Same with phoenix shift 3. Everything else about the guy is near perfect. Of course his df 1 strings arent safe. Df 1 2, and DF 1 2 1 are both -15 but I think thats fair considering you get a guaranteed wall splat from landing a simple DF 1. He isnt absolutely perfect, but its damn close.

[@Jonny93warriors]

My sister wanted Tifa on the game and she doesn't even play fighting games..

[@NateBiggsby]

Season 2 will be basically for the hardcore fan base, I doubt the casual fan will still play T8 during season 2.

[@edsonmendizabal3097]

If we had a infinite stage with Clive. This would’ve been such a snoozefest due to the amount of 1+2 and f 1+2 spam. And the counter power crush titan fist. Like it just seems so un-fun to handle since you try to side step you get screwed, you korean back dash then oh no you get caught by a f 1+2 why? Because how much it tracks.

[@ruikiri]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="434">7:14</a> i think its a problem with the game in general... rules just dont apply anymore... devil jins samsara can go under some mids too, paul also has stuff that can go under mids and theres probably more but its too much evasion, it breaks the rules of the game.. i dont think its intentional, or if it is its stupid.

[@gilgameszh]

very accurate, tekken 8 has so many mid crushes on characters that doesnt typically have them. if it was xiaoyu or zafina i might understand, but when characters like paul, jin, and clive crushing mids, breaking the rule of the game is making me frustrated to even continue playing

[@_NEW3RA_]

You see the same move from Clive because it’s broken. Clive is broken. That’s why Ulsan switched. Alot of spam safe options.

[@GramdalfFGC]

I’m not a Tekken player, I’m primarily a street fighter and KOF player but I’ve been learning Virtua fighter as my first real 3D fighter because it appeals more than Tekken. And I wonder to all the people who think Clive is too much, that Tekken is too obnoxious now, too many metres and neutral skips etc, will you swap to VF?

[@10FN0N3]

Please let them take out tanking hits for wins -_- Heat smash, heat engage, power crush, and rage arrts are not fun mechanics to play around.

[@showtimefu1234]

Asbsoon as they nerf that 2 hit sword move and flame spin move they are going to drop him

[@khristal000]

My flight got cancelled bought a new ticket im stranded in an airport for 2 days. kekw this vid saved me fr

[@BreakyB]

I bet everyone will say the same thing when Marduk drops

[@felixstep2066]

To be honest, what I really don't like about Clive is the Ridiculous amount of space control that he has, starting with FF1+2 is literally a perfect button that does everything right and that tells a lot since my main Bryan has a lot of space control on his Homing moves and some Key moves like Requiem or Incinerator. As for his design, he looks sick, not gonna lie, but for being a Guess character in a fighting game like Tekken, why not picking a fighter like idk, Baki? It doesn't have to be Tifa because it seems that the developers don't wanna do it, but Clive has that Power Crush that is really Strong and going against him is almost impossible because of how much reach and tracking has some of the moves. If they nerf him, that's fine. But idk, I'm just not convinced enough of Clive.

[@EtherealSoul861]

i rather not have guest characters if they are going to be bad choices like Clive,, much prefer if they just bring back fan favorite and classic characters back or make new original tekken 8 characters.. Wanna do guest right ? make sure they fit tekken on both esthetics and gameplay

[@darkluffy7]

clive is one of the most boring ass gameplay desing i've ever seen. They have to change him or S2 is so doomed

[@Ph3n9om]

This match reminds me of the issue with the NBA no longer are we seeing dynamic play in the paint teams are MOSTLY shooting 3s with the hope that if I shoot more the opportunity for more points is higher. Makes for boring games Nonetheless I’m enjoying tekken. Love the content phi 🙌

[@hotcoldman9793]

Clive AKA f1+2 gaming!!! I hate him so much 😂😢

[@thorodinsson4752]

You know, of all the Clive sets in this tournament this one is actually damning for Clive. Spoiler. Ulsan picking Clive after losing 2 sets and beating up Mulgold screams you're were just winning cause you're playing a broken character. We even the playing field you're losing.

[@JGmon3000]

Not just that. The fact that drag of all characters was struggling is worse tbh

[@PhosHouseki]

3 foward 1+2 in a row is just such a sad sight

[@therealyoku]

clive is broken, we should nerf devil jin some more

[@KhIDp0is0N]

Here within a minute 😭

[@Fatdog22]

Keep 1+2 how it is and make F+1+2 extremely linear n he’s fine tbh

[@justanannepfp9814]

Demon breath should be 10f, panic moves normally can be punished.

[@Filterdeez]

Nah, delete the character and it will be perfect.

[@TrueMonarchD]

whens the paul PP the PPP

[@Fudge_bc]

whoa, 46 seconds

[@justanannepfp9814]

Let me Rename the game Track'em 8

[@EtherealSoul861]

clive is a step backwards, i was happy with the game until he show up

[@_NEW3RA_]

😂😂😂 definitely!!!

[@Jonny93warriors]

Only one step ? More like 10 steps backwards

[@Naruto735]

Embrace Clive. Clive has a better redemption story than Jin in his own game

[@EtherealSoul861]

i'm worried the game hasn't reaches 3 million sales yet

[@justanannepfp9814]

Its the first year my guy, we have 7 more ahead of us!

[@reign9933]

The game sold 2 million within a month release. It's about to be a year either im pretty sure they already hit it or they're gonna hit it eventually

[@EtherealSoul861]

@@reign9933they would have announce it already,, if they hit 3 million

[@johnnymonsterrrr]

basically if this is the tekken future, we're cooked. Being stressed by having to guess perma while having 75% of screen taken by effects. Ye its skill issue. Does it really have to be skill issue this way? I wonder

[@mozzile8368]

Yup people are finally realizing how broken and babied his kit is. UNSTEPPABLE SAFE MID NON INTERRUPTIBLE MOVE f1+2 is simply breaking the game. But it’s negative let me attack of wait he has a parry, it’s never really your turn. Dumb character design. I’d take a drag any day over playing against this playstyle.

[@-rezallstars9906]

"Finally realizing" you say. I think everyone knew it within a week

[@4o-3o]

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[@Sadbringer]

New game, old problem. Dragu still has his mids evaded by every dog on the streets 😂😂

[@Nazzimz]

clive made me learn yoshimitsu man just so i can be out here reching him from three miles away. love tekken, not sure if im happy with the changes coming up.

[@Naruto735]

Yurrr!

[@manuelito1233]

I love Clives addition, i love it even more people are angry. I'm all for wild XOvers

[@savagedonut]

Japan makes the best games....

[@n0nsticknick]

this community is so doom and gloom about everything lmao

[@JamSessionInMyMind]

Heck I wanted Tifa and everyone told me to stfu. So now I'm taking free wins with Clive.

[@rogierburlage]

lame character, 3 simple op moves is all he does

[@TheHollowFace]

2 views, bro fell of fr

[@tylerwhite4557]

original and humorous comment

[@frustratedlemur]

One of the most annoying trends on KZbin always posted by the most annoying viewers

[@vaultdweller966]

I don't understand why they add characters from other games when we could have Boskonovitch, Roger, Gon, Lei, Unknown/mokujin...

[@shizzle123pl]

to attract people from other games lol

[@wilemmcdubs5682]

Green ogre would have been cool

[@genzo454]

The people who want those aforementioned characters are part of a small minority. Spending the time and money to make those characters DLC for Tekken 8 probably isn't worth it in Bandai Namco's eyes.

[@justanannepfp9814]

​@@wilemmcdubs5682thought it would be him with the orange frame

[@dummyroll01]

I agree I'd much prefer either returning and updated actual Tekken characters or new actual Tekken characters. But, as previously mentioned for it to be worth them making the effort, they have to forecast that people will be interested in paying for it, and I guess they forecast that not every former character will pay enough dividends for them to bother.

[@Cap_Ten_Hook]

I love Clive. I got to Fujin faster than I ever did. He’s a problem if you have a aggressive play style

[@namzy7506]

Clive very cheap

[@cheifwaffle]

It took this guy like 4 weeks to think hes possibly overpowered lmao

[@x117killer6]

Clive is fun

[@hiddy_]

I bet he is

[@wilemmcdubs5682]

Yea. If you're garbo weiner rider

[@cheifwaffle]

Cuz hes broken lol

[@brycenmarion146]

​@@cheifwaffle Heihachi is fun does that mean he's Broken?

[@tylerwhite4557]

@@brycenmarion146wipe the drool off your mouth

[@wood1066]

Is Clive even that bad? This is the only channel I see about T8 that complains about him.

[@Filterdeez]

Trash character. Trash moveset.

[@carlisborgon]

4th

[@ASTR47]

This character is so boring to watch. I started playing TTT2 again on the ps3 emulator and found lobbies all the time. Really hope season 2 fixes clive and a lot of the system mechanics (like armored heat engagers and -9 power crushes)

[@technophyle66]

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