Phillip Graves being a Likeable Bad Guy for 8 minutes straight

Phillip Graves being American for 10 minutes straight
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare II is an upcoming first-person shooter game developed by Infinity Ward and published by Activision. It is a direct sequel to the 2019 reboot, and will serve as the nineteenth installment in the overall Call of Duty series.
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[@aetherlul]

"Mexican Special Forces, 141. They are your brothers now. Treat 'em like your own" Man this line always get me

[@MottenManOne]

Mexican Especial Forces**

[@Deathmare235]

He has to redeem himself especially since shepherd betrayed him

[@riversmakris]

@@MottenManOne This is wrong lol Especial is in Spanish and if anything you would say something like Fuerzas Especiales Mexicanas

[@PLANDerLinde99]

Graves later on, Basically: "We have detained our brothers."

[@s0nnyburnett]

@@PLANDerLinde99 maybe its how they usually treat their own.

[@shaecouture7480]

LOVE how Shepard says "I don't care where he got the missiles from I want to know where they are going." Cause him and Graves both know where they came from.

[@marvinwilson3207]

The second he says that and he wanted the missles destroyed I knew where this storyline was going, Graves I had no actual bias or feelings toward since he was kind of new to me so it caught me off guard that he would betray us too.

[@shaecouture7480]

@@marvinwilson3207 Yea Graves I was just sus of because of OG MW2 Shadow Company is Shepards troops

[@itsqlex]

I assumed after that line that Shepherd intentionally gave the missiles to terrorists, possibly to start a war much like the 2009 game. Graves also subtly admits being involved with the missiles when he tells Hassan they were going to “nail his ass.”

[@wlockuz4467]

Yeah looking back at the cutscenes after a playthrough the signs were all there, Really well thought out storyline.

[@zombsterr]

Yea, looking back on it with my full understanding of the plot, it's such a cool detail :D Also when Shepherd says that he wants the missiles destroyed right after Laswell says that she'll "figure out anyone who's ever breathed on those missiles", I just love trying to find more dialogue and details that I would've otherwise not noticed hinting at the betrayal

[@howdoichangemyusername9802]

The problem with Graves betrayal is that it’s a complete 180. He goes from charming and likeable that gets along really well with 141 and Mexican Special Forces to an obnoxious ass. I don’t know they couldn’t let Graves still be likeable after. Instead, let’s just have him execute civilians on some kind of power trip demanding Hassan’s location even though Valeria is in his custody and knows where he is. From “All Shadows listen up, Mexican Special Forces, 141, they are your BROTHERS now. Treat em like your own.” To “Take ‘em dead or alive. You know my preference.”

[@tabrisss818]

He was only working with 141 and Alejandro to destroy the missiles. Shepherd probably didn’t give a shit if he killed them or Mexican civilians to get what they want. The betrayal part was done pretty weirdly in this game though would’ve made more sense if it happened after they stopped the last missile and Hassan.

[@howdoichangemyusername9802]

@@tabrisss818 it’s still executed poorly. The only hint that Graves is gonna betray us is his claim that he has enough soldiers to take over the country which could just be interpreted as him seeing the mission as a cakewalk. Beyond that all his interactions with 141 suggest even if Shadow Company does betray us, he’ll stay as an ally. Instead he acts weirdly out of character and wants to kill civilians even though he ordered his men to minimize casualties in the AC-130.

[@tim7330]

@@howdoichangemyusername9802 I think the biggest tell is when Valeria says that she "hides in plainsight" and Graves says he does the same. Psychopaths are great at hiding their actual personality and using other people to get to their goal.

[@howdoichangemyusername9802]

@@tim7330 I don’t think he admitted that he hid in plain sight when Valeria was confronted. His statement meant that despite her power and influence, 141 and Shadow Company are more than match for her and the cartel. But even if you are right it’s still bad. I don’t care if this is how psychopaths work in real life. This is a story. And in storytelling, if a person acts out of character due to the plot requiring it rather than going through an event that changed their personality, or several hints that point to this being their true personality all along, then it means it’s poor writing.

[@everythingsalright1121]

Graves is a mercenary, this is how they are. He couldn't care less about things like honor or civilian casualties, when Shepherd's paying him fat stacks to do all his dirty work. He's also pretty clearly a psychopath given how nonchalant he acts under situations involving killing people. And yeah, while it's true that the military tries to get you used to the idea of killing someone, Graves is absolutely fine with the idea of feeding Hassan to wild animals or torturing the everliving hell out of Valeria.

[@amirseytiansembayev2316]

His intentions in the end where good but he drifted more and more away i hope the tank was remote controlled and he gets back as operator

[@wakichunu]

I don't understand how it went from just trying to cover up a mistake to straight up murdering civilians...

[@teenexorcism]

@@wakichunu exactly i feel they did a 180 which i dont like he wasn’t a “bad” guy he was a Pmc and thats what they do, but from helping 141 to killing civilians? Uhmm what

[@arthurshelby2133]

@@wakichunu I believe the ones he killed were somehow involved with the cartels so he didn’t hesitate to kill them

[@shaecouture7480]

@@wakichunu This game was chugging along with its own story, then realized "Hey guys we need to do the Modern Warfare 2 betrayal and have some shocking content." "Uhhhhhh Graves tells 141 to go home.... They start fighting... Then the shadows go kill 100s of innocent civilians brutally because... Um... Well..."

[@HaradaCh]

@@teenexorcism it might not be 180 since he's give us a hint "I'll show you the differences between military and me" They are mercenary and they work under military operator's command in past mission, that was the main things hold shadows and graves back, but after Darkwater they are on their own in mission, they can use their "own" rule of engagement killing all those corrupeted cop and civi. Which is outside of the actual rule of engagement and morality since they are not combatant. In my guess, they were just like this since before military contracts

[@andrewrogers3067]

Shadow Company has so much more character in this game then the original. Graves is a major part why.

[@hellcatdave1]

The lack of any backstory is part of what makes them cool and intriguing when they suddenly show up in the original MW2.

[@andrewrogers3067]

@@hellcatdave1 They’re just a PMC group, like numerous other PMC groups in real life like Blackwater. There’s nothing particularly special about them and they show up as antagonists in the very last part of the game.

[@Idk-fk4mq]

@@andrewrogers3067 I think that shadow company ARE blackwater but in MW universe especially when graves is inspired by erik prince the founder of blackwater, when you compare them you’ll see the similarities

[@hellcatdave1]

@@andrewrogers3067 there is something special about them. They are General Shepards private military. They are also mostly American. It's a whole thing. The new CoD doesn't do anything good with them.

[@andrewrogers3067]

@@hellcatdave1 There is no evidence they are general Shepherd’s private military, in fact the remaster debunks this by showing that they were active from what you read about them in the museum. They were hired with the blank check he got just after the nuke was launched in MW2 They’re just another PMC out of literally thousands of PMCs that exist in the real world. MW22 not only gives them character in the form of graves and portrays them realistically (Literally No PMC would risk getting blacklisted from the market helping a general start WW3) but you hear them talking with eachother and having conflict and different viewpoints and they are humanized through both that and the time you spend playing as them.

[@TheBigWhiteGun]

*”Drop that fucking building”* … *”I fucking love this shit”* Will always be my favorite during the Ac130 mission

[@atas2561]

I knew he’d betray me since he’s with the Shadows (who are evil in the OG trilogy). But I didn’t expect him to be likeable. Whoever wrote his character deserves a raise.

[@khaikhuc1432]

And whoever structured his betrayal deserves the boot

[@thefalcromshow3428]

Shadow company are not inherently evil they just mercenaries working whoever pays them they can be easily swayed to be good guys for the right price

[@INTERNAL_REVENUE_SERVICE]

@@thefalcromshow3428 Except for the war crimes. But yeah I agree. I like to pretend those war crimes never happened because they were a shitty attempt to get us to dislike him

[@SpartanBrix]

Shadow Company isn’t really evil at all, they’re only carrying out Shepherd’s evil orders.

[@taskfroce80th95]

Graves is like the most American soldier ever: Handsome? Check Blond? Check Sense of Humer? Check Speaks in a half Northan half Southern accent? Check Effective and deadly? Check Badass? Check Love when stuff goes boom? Check Love CAS? Check Follow orders to a pitch? Check And most importantly, War Crimes? Big o check!

[@MrDibara]

*_You had me at that last one, I ain't gonna lie._* 🤣👌

[@sirrhosis4638]

Humour*

[@cupofjoen]

What's CAS?

[@hawks-lu1ci]

@@cupofjoen close air support

[@vauxal1856]

@@hawks-lu1ci we confirm that graves is a hoi4 player

[@Richard_Diggler]

Ngl I really dig the "I'm not actual military and I can do whatever the fuck I want" vibe

[@DudeMan2805]

Graves to me is the stereotypical badass American, and then he speaks broken Spanish which fits the stereotype even more. As Graves himself said “you know I love that shit”

[@mosthatedmelon14w88]

Speaking broken spanish is the ultimate power move

[@pigen9013]

DONDE ESTA EL IRANI?

[@johnsoapmactavish9921]

@@pigen9013 Amigo

[@gtmike916]

Man Graves’ betrayal pisses me off! Dude was the homie!! They literally had to make an ass pull to turn him into a bad guy and all.

[@Deathmare235]

With other characters like Salazar and shepherd it made sense and with Hadir he wasn’t really evil but Graves was a complete 180

[@OpticHamster69]

I mean he was paid by Shephard and his orders came from him, plus with the missiles going missing that was on Graves and Shephard so they are trying everything to hide it.

[@howdoichangemyusername9802]

@@OpticHamster69 that would be like me killing you in order to prevent you from revealing to the public that I killed someone. The civilians have no idea that Shadow company is involved with the missiles. They just start killing civilians left and right when in the AC-130, Graves orders his men to minimize civilian casualties.

[@gtmike916]

@@OpticHamster69 If that’s the case it should have been built up to that point not celebrating with the homie after completing the mission and then beefing with him after you get back. It’s a lame betrayal and was definitely rushed.

[@gtmike916]

@@howdoichangemyusername9802 Exactly they were playing it by the book and running a clean op. The betrayal makes no sense from any perspective.

[@AyrixMusix]

"And you've got ten seconds or I'm gonna show you the difference between the military and me." My favorite line from Graves

[@clove1004]

I was wondering why I liked Graves so much, then I realized he’s voiced by the same guy who voiced Rafe in Uncharted 4. Two awesome bad guys

[@titan-framboise3126]

That's why I was sure I'd seen those facial expressions before. Typical Rafe's expressions.

[@eugenerevaula3874]

Thanks for confirming. I fucking loved Rafe.

[@ForzaGalatasaray1481]

I noticed at the first deepwater trailer, made a comment, no one saw or knew rafe or cared

[@Bruhhduz]

Cool how they gave Graves 2 outfits with different vibes instead of having him wear the same outfit for the entirety of the game, on one hand he looks like an elite soldier in all black, on the other he looks like he was just on a farm and got called into work.

[@claverse5478]

That's the charm of PMCs

[@kaijin713]

Graves was actually really cool and I like his character a lot. However, he felt like a completely different character after the betrayal. Went from being a cool guy you can get some drinks with to “shoot anything that moves”.

[@martincerny3294]

because bad writing

[@jac6478]

graves was of my favourite characters in this campaign hope we get a Multiplayer operator as him

[@Grantbird1964]

Yeah me too

[@Grimno]

Having played the original MW2 I expected Shadow Company/Shepard to betray, but they did it in such a half assed "Oh shit we forgot they're suppose to be bad guys!" way that is just felt phoned in

[@alphaisyeeting4880]

Even if Graves ever redeems himself in MW3, Alejandro will never forgive him for killing his people in his town. Worse, Ghost is probably gonna go mad manace at him. Edit: Damn I never thought of getting 1K likes, and this is the first time! Thanks!

[@juniordominguez8597]

He already died tho

[@Ridiona]

@@juniordominguez8597 remember every time if we dont see a dead body nor show a person dying on screen that character will return look at mw 2019 alex “died” off screen in the furnace and we thought he was dead and well he came back in later season so graves possibly isn’t dead

[@alphaisyeeting4880]

COD number 1 rule: If the person did not die logically or body isn't found, it means the chances of them living is high.

[@aetherlul]

@@alphaisyeeting4880 best example: Woods

[@alphaisyeeting4880]

@@aetherlul Fr.

[@postnuclearmorgan]

Is it just me, or does Grave's facial animations look even better than everyone else's?

[@ShinzouWoSateSateSate]

He's just handsome, though that could be true

[@postnuclearmorgan]

@@ShinzouWoSateSateSate He is indeed

[@LordzDominator]

I thought this while playing through the game. Like you can see him pursing his lips in annoyance during interrogations. It's unreal and I imagine they had a shit ton of sensors on his face to get that result.

[@Pakotugudugudugudugudugudugu]

​Actors look funny af in mocap suits

[@johnsoapmactavish9921]

Rafe Adler is handsome too

[@mrmillionman110]

This Graves is actually a reincarnation of another character named Graves back in MW Remastered. You know, that guy in the pack opening screen. OG Graves had visible burn marks and much larger scars. And since we didn't see a body, this Graves might reappear in the extended story of MWII, but with his visible injuries. Kinda the same treatment with Alex in MW2019.

[@Hashakka]

they’re two different characters. graves in mwr was irish and “graves” was a nickname. his actual name was darren cosgrave i think. he was funny af.

[@Screw_Tyrrany1776]

When I first played the campaign, Graves turned into my favorite character. One of the most badass ones, too. But he chose the wrong boss to take orders from.

[@HeardFurball852]

God this was my favorite damn character and then like every cod he turns against you.

[@aerystargaryenii2565]

He's the all American white guy whos intelligent, brave and headstrong. So of course this woke trash game will make him the villain.

[@Deathmare235]

At least with Hadir he wasn’t really evil too bad price gave him to Laswell

[@matthewjohnathanwarburton8342]

It wouldn't be CoD-MW if he didn't!

[@rkgrei]

@@aerystargaryenii2565 Lmfao what, how do you people manage to inject everything into a woke conspiracy. It's call of duty, if anyone has played MW2 they knew Graves and Shadow Company would betray you. It's a reboot of the MW franchise loosely following the original story. Grave's complete 180 was very poorly done but it has nothing to do with liberals or "woke" lmao. Get off the internet and touch the outside world, you'll get twitter out of your head

[@Roebuck325]

I think the problem with him in the story for me was "I'm not okay with killing Hassan, but lets shoot at our allies and sell missiles illegally." his acting was incredible, so he managed to somehow pull it off.

[@zaer-ezart]

Well to be fair they didn't sell the missiles. His men were attacked and the missiles stolen. Sure they were selling them, but not to terrorists

[@Roebuck325]

@@zaer-ezart They were selling the missiles illegally, which resulted in terrorists having missiles.

[@silverblueshadow]

there's something called taking orders. that's what makes him highly efficient to be in the business he's in.

[@Roebuck325]

@random dude They we're selling the missiles to their allies illegally, pay attention next time you play.

[@Roebuck325]

@@silverblueshadow I guess my issue is there were no tells, he just genuinely seemed like he liked Ghost and Soap then out of nowhere he's a "bad guy"

[@HeemTheDream32]

Whoever voice acted Graves hit it out the park

[@Yashirai731]

If you played uncharted 4 hes actually the same voice actor as rafe

[@johnsoapmactavish9921]

Warren Kole. He does excellent as Rafe Adler in Uncharted 4 too

[@rimes3719]

Graves was in the TV series The Terminal list. Good actor. Not surprised he pulled this one off real smooth. He got better even on this one. Wish they'd make a COD movie someday

[@rjhick1]

God dude, with the Modern Warfare series (even the orginal) the story as been absolute killer. It wish they would do a CGI animated movie it would be perfect

[@Intrepid_Crusader1096]

@@rjhick1 Or they could just make it live action. They don't even need to change the actors since the whole game is motion capture anyways.

[@johnsoapmactavish9921]

@@Intrepid_Crusader1096Why live action? So it can be saturated with CGI and look goofy? Very few war/thriller films nowadays do practical effects, and another part is making it look really good.

[@Intrepid_Crusader1096]

@@johnsoapmactavish9921 Act of Valor was a pretty good war movie. It used practical effects. Same with Zero Dark Thirty. With the right director it can look good.

[@KingMIDA5]

I blame Grave’s man for shooting first. Alejandro went in for an attack, Soap tried to back him up and one Grave’s soldiers just fired, and then everyone’s firing.

[@ZechFort]

“If you disappeared no one would know where to look for the fuckin’ stain” 🥶

[@JAKphoenixify]

Such a likeable guy.

[@MrDibara]

TOO likeable, that's the problem. :/ Charming people like him are sadly more likely to betray you without you ever noticing. It's sad because you come to like them and wish they weren't bad, but that's just them using you. _(though I do think Graves liked 141 and the Mexican Special Forces, just not enough to ignore his orders by Shepherd)_

[@HL2015-dan]

Sweet mother of a gun the graphics. I'm truly astonished with the facial expression of Graves.

[@bonecrushers820]

"Hook, line and fuckin sinker! thats what im talking about shadows, you know I love that shit!. Comms! get me the general!" fuckin love that military comedic style Graves has, by far my fav character in the game. mans just had that top tier charisma.

[@yizus37]

I would really like it have Graves as an operator in the future (besides what happen to him in the campaing xD)

[@user-me4ie4hc6m]

They really didn’t show his dead body so it could be some random tank crew they blew up.

[@howdoichangemyusername9802]

@@user-me4ie4hc6m not like it matters. Graves could canonically be dead and it’d be fine to show him. I mean MW multiplayer can have Farah killing Price and Gaz even though they’re all allies.

[@Resolleold]

It seems to me that the tank was remotely controlled

[@CINCYEDITS]

Yeah, because in that mission even when you are like 30 feet behind the tank it automatically turns and fires. Graves had had to have a vantage point to know where he is.

[@ye_clapped_6974]

Graves is my favourite character from the game even though he is a “bad” guy he is still a really enjoyable character and doesn’t deserve the hate for betraying 141

[@livingreverie5951]

We all knew he was gonna be an antagonist, but the build up to it still hurt anyways

[@ryancao1030]

Phillip graves -> fill up graves. That’s an all time character name.

[@scottm8292]

Phil Graves - fill graves

[@johnnynutpunch4972]

If you don't see a body, they ain't dead

[@yayothejowen2541]

His facial reactions are so goddamn amazing.

[@big14tx]

The cut at 4:25 killed me 😂

[@stoneyjohn818]

Trap indeed :D

[@doom3798]

it’s funny to me that people are saying he went from likeable to suddenly killing people. did you know most bad guys irl are very charismatic and good at getting people on their side? like cult leaders. this is realistic!!

[@MrDibara]

Yeah, people are calling "bad writing", when I had this nudging feeling that he was too nice to be true. Granted, I _tried_ to believe I was wrong. I thought I might be judging a book by its cover and eben thought "damn, it would actually be cool if he was 100% a genuine guy". But nah. The betrayal happened and I felt like a naive fool for falling for his trick. :/ People like Graves are really dangerous, that's how the most successful bad guys really are. _Guess people don't like being reminded of that, though._ 🤷‍♂️

[@howdoichangemyusername9802]

@@MrDibarabecause it is bad writing. Realism is irrelevant in the face of a story. Otherwise Luke could be killed by Stormtroopers and the story would be praised for being real in the fact that highly trained soldiers would obviously cut down some farm boy. But then we wouldn’t get Luke’s progression as a person, Vader’s redemption, Han’s arc from a scoundrel to a hero. But hey it’s realistic that someone like Vader couldn’t be redeemed and that Han, Luke and Leia would be cut down by stormtroopers. So the story is good.

[@quakethedoombringer]

@@MrDibarai mean, he is at worst a bit sociopathic (but then again, so are literally every character in this series, looking at you Ghost) but you can tell that he doesn't actively go out of his way to kill "inmocent" people. Remember the first thing he tries to do when betraying TF141 is (very uncomfortably) telling them to walk away since he knows they don't take this well. He just happens to pick a terrible boss and probably loses salary if he doesn't follow order. I would say he's more anti-villain

[@danielvillegas5988]

The first time graves appeared in the story I loved him so much that I actually googled if he would survive til the end and then spoiled the plot twist for myself.

[@lefanta8549]

his betrayal makes me hate shepherd even more. all he did was follow orders and look what happened.

[@OpticHamster69]

He's a mercenary that's why

[@jesusemmanuelcordero4509]

He knew the risks. As well that he was in very deep waters himself being the one's that ran the failed missile operation gone wrong.

[@GenocidalSquid]

@@jesusemmanuelcordero4509 He asked for help from SHEPHERD. And he didn’t get jack because that old prick can’t get his crap together and actually TRY to help him.

[@jesusemmanuelcordero4509]

@@GenocidalSquid And Shepard knew that if he escalated that situation, his career was as good as over because there would be no way of keeping that under the water. I love that when you read behind the lines you get this intense story of people working for their own interests.

[@GenocidalSquid]

@@jesusemmanuelcordero4509 The situation was ALREADY escalating with the russians LITERALLY invading the convoy and making away with Ballistic Missiles. Or was it just Hassan?

[@ATI_117]

Honestly graves was a way better character then everyone in vanguard 😂

[@k1lljoy07]

his spanish is like nails on a chalkboard

[@jesusemmanuelcordero4509]

An excellent characterization if you ask me.

[@ViperPilot16]

I'm pretty sure that is intentional.

[@hcctendeep7047]

"Mexican special forces, 141, they are your brothers now" lmaooo for what, a few days? Also they should have had Shepard remain good and shadow betray on their own, seeing as how shepard refused to send back up to graves and his pmc during the missile ambush, it would have made sense

[@MrDibara]

_Is it so hard to understand Graves was just putting on a show to get the trust of 141 and Mexican Special Forces?_ 😑 Like, yeah, that's a helluva charismatic thing to say, but one should be careful not to take it at face value. Liars are talented, not obvious.

[@TheDapperDragon]

@@MrDibara Except he didn't say that to 141. He said that to his own men, and *only* his own men. It's written like shit.

[@shrederman9838]

What I love about this campaign was the story not revolving on Hassan and what he plans to do, but the missiles and how they got there. The American flag was obviously the first thing to get the player going but Shephard saying he doesn't care HOW they got American missiles should have been the first huge red flag but it doesn't give any more information than that. The sudden betrayal of Graves and Shadow company is so spine chilling. Bringing the story back down to the characters themselves and the grey lines of morality within power is why this campaign is a success, and I think its the true story CoD should be telling (most the time not all the time) I always loved the quotes when dying that are thought provoking anti-war wisdom from the real world.

[@unionblue21]

Graves’s betrayal feels like such an ass pull to keep it in line with og MW2. The betrayal has nothing backing it up. In the original we were being overrun by Russians and saved at the last minute by Shepard only for him to execute Roach and Ghost. It hit so hard because we didn’t expect it and we were in a dire situation. Instead in MW22 we him go from “nice job guys” to “I’ve taken the whole base and city over, restrained Alejandro’s men, and have killed a majority of city’s population” because muh plot twist. If Graves had pulled the 180 betrayal card while we were in a time of need it may have stuck better but we were expecting it at least I was. They should’ve made a member of 141 turn traitor, now that would’ve hit hard. Instead we’ve got a half baked attempt at recreating something from og MW2 just for the sake of recreating it.

[@howdoichangemyusername9802]

Exactly my thoughts. If we were gonna re tread Shadow Company and Shepherd betraying us again, then they had to take a different route, considering it was all in the back of our head. It should’ve been more nuanced. Shepherd is far more reasonable while at the same time, being far more suspicious, so he at least works, considering he only tried to assist America’s allies. Graves on the other hand had to do a 180. Why couldn’t he still maintain a likeable persona? Instead of Graves being conflicted about having dealing with Soap and Ghost, he shows no remorse and decides to kill innocents.

[@salvagedude625]

i dont get the dislike of his and Shadow's betrayal; he's consistent through and through, the protagonists are just on the other side when Shepard gives the order. He doesn't make the call to swap sides and tries to talk the guys down but doesn't prioritize the protagonist over his orders, which is a reasonable thing to do.

[@meiji9720]

If they were gonna make Graves a bad person, he could’ve gotten a cooler death than being blown up in a tank…

[@Basedmursenary]

He didn’t fucking die… no confirmation or true cutscene. No proof he was ever in that tank.

[@KhrisMiddletonFitnessOfficial]

@@Basedmursenary What purpose does he still serve to the story? Why wouldn't he be dead? If he was in that tank, he is dead.

[@zaloon148]

@@Basedmursenary except for the fact that u literally hear him inside of it

[@Basedmursenary]

@@zaloon148 idk man, I really don’t think he was! But I could be wrong

[@kingkazuma2239]

@@zaloon148 he could've been talking somewhere else on the radio while someone else was in the tank

[@TheModernPioneer]

I liked him as a villain up until the point where they had him literally monologuing while driving a tank like a ridiculous cartoon supervillain.

[@RandomKnowledge168]

Bad Guy is a strong word. He just do what he was order to like a soldier.

[@reilly_sharky_reese]

Until he started massacring the town for absolutely no reason.

[@MrDibara]

@@reilly_sharky_reese Haste and despair on Shepherd's part to find and "silence" Soap, Ghost and all others? I mean, that attitude may not align with Graves' modus operandi, but it *does* with Shepherd's and Graves sadly complies to his orders to a T.

[@zorleone]

I knew he would be a betrayer from the first time I saw his demeanor and the way he moves and talks.

[@noahh.7642]

Oh really? The fact he was the Shadow Leader didnt give that away?

[@Yvrry23]

No you didn’t bro lmao, stop lying like Lebron. There was no indication he was bad during the first cutscene

[@chromanomad5524]

@@Yvrry23 its like a weird cosplay thing

[@aerystargaryenii2565]

The fact that he is an all American sharp white guy didn't give it away? Of course he's will be the bad guy this game is woke trash

[@Deathmare235]

He wasn’t really a bad guy it was only shepherd who later betrayed him

[@SpecterSensorial]

PLEASE PUT GRAVES ON MULTIPLAYER, I LOVE THIS FOCKIN CONTRACTOR GUY SON OF BLACKWATER

[@iblastyou4819]

I think he genuinely liked the other protagonists but unfortunately he was just Shepherds dog in this story.

[@MaceOfSpades5]

Yeah the Vibes he gives eould really suggest he liked them but had no choice as to not betray them and i really hope that he can get back into it after lets say pulling a Alex and faking his death using this tank hopefully he doesnt loose a Leg and then doing a redemtion like helping 141 when they are under heavy fire from Makarovs dudes like TF 141 did in MW3 more or less as they had too redeam themselves for killing Shepherd

[@ViperPilot16]

The fact that Graves was the one trying to resolve that situation without bloodshed should tell you what kinda man he is. However he deos start executing civilians in the name of corruption that same night. So I don't know if he's just two faced, or had a random blood lust.

[@michelesauro7086]

@@ViperPilot16 bad writing

[@ViperPilot16]

@@michelesauro7086 That is also very possible.

[@MrDibara]

@@ViperPilot16 Or maybe was ordered by Shepherd to do that. Old bastard was desperate to cover up his own ass after all. And sadly, Graves never fails at following orders. *Even the wrong ones.*

[@bluscoutsfm2474]

Notice how Graves's name in the subs changes colour during the "betrayal" scene from cyan to red to showcase he is now an enemy.

[@ProcrastinatorEdward]

He's so based I wish we could've just joined his side

[@thecourier3366]

same

[@TheDapperDragon]

Same here. Instead, we're saddled with Alehandro, the undisciplined idiot, and the rest of boring ass 141.

[@thecourier3366]

@@TheDapperDragon yep it would have been cool if we team up with graves like how you can do in cod cold war

[@s0meRand0m129]

should have keep his character as is, the 180 he make after the betrayal feels like they force us to hate him

[@elijahproto]

I really wish they had a mutiny and overthrew graves instead of having him be the bad guy

[@nullnull7352]

Bro, we all knew when the name turned red, shit was hitting the fan then and there 😂

[@SeniorAdrian]

Good ol christian boy from Texas.

[@aerystargaryenii2565]

Yup of course they will make him the bad guy

[@evanextreme6157]

People say his betrayal was executed poorly. Understand, man was always in it for his own group and himself. He’s a PMC. Doesn’t care much on being good, just on being paid and doing his job to a T. He never shows true hatred to the 141, even in his betrayal scene, he wanted them to move on. He wanted them to leave without shots fired. He didn’t even start their fight in that scene. Showing that he wisely chose to not attack the 141 nor Mexican Special Forces when he could had. Instead he chose to be defensive. To add, he possibly had the choice to kill the Mexican Special Forces if he wanted to. Instead he chose to let them live and probably wait till their business was over with Shepard and their current operation to release them. To me, not even a bad guy. Yeah, he betrays them under ORDERS that he always takes seriously. When he was ordered to care for the 141, he did, so when he was ordered to take over the operation entirely, he did. Just like his character has always been. Never a moment of personal hatred or grudges that appears out of no where. He’s just another man in the cog of modern warfare. That’s most likely how he views himself and figures that’s fine. Hence everything within his character’s choices. TL:DR, his character makes it sensible to his betrayal, not even close to random.

[@ViperPilot16]

Yes it makes sense why Shadow betrays 141, the contention I've seen most is it has no impact other then giving the player more goons to shoot at. In the 2009 game Shepherd himself kills two 141 members, and almost kills Price and Soap. In the new game Graves acting on behalf of Shepherd fails to kill any 141 members, and Shepherd lives. Part of having a good betrayal is having impact.

[@evanextreme6157]

@@ViperPilot16 The reason why no one dies is because Activision be too much of a coward to kill someone off. That's something I noticed too when playing like, why hasn't any of the 141 members been killed? Because in the original, they all still drop. That's just plot armor.

[@itz-Ender]

One of my favorite COD villains. Just wish he would've been able to come back for a sequel.

[@EtonuiYoutube]

Graves couldn’t keep his hands off Valeria, he’s a menace right off the bat

[@mraihan7400]

Alternate title : Galaga dude from the avengers being a likeable menace for 8 minutes.

[@cayman-the-island-boy]

I’m willing to bet that some of the shadows were fighting are marines we fought with in MW1

[@harrisonchristopher8708]

“Your men have been..🥴. Detained”

[@beast0339]

the hindsight I gained from playing the original MW2 means that I was always distrustful of Graves since they were Shepard's own personal army rather than a professional unit.

[@Jake2Flyy]

Graves was only following orders, he didn’t want to fight 141 and MSF

[@sidharthrao9005]

at around 6:10 Graves' subtitle colour turns from blue to red when he mentions that Shepherd is ok with this

[@g.r.senterprisevenatorclas7314]

I mean I knew he was going to betray us at some point, but at the same time goddamn Graves is awesome.

[@MrDibara]

_Pffft!_ Yeah. Same. 🤣 A bastard he may be, but a what a likeable asshole he was.

[@Mezha07]

Graves is one of those characters i wished wasn't against us

[@MrDibara]

That's the thing with people like Graves: they make you grow to love them, making it harder to foresee their betrayal. Or not want to accept it when it happens. Most real life manipulators are actually like that, we just don't like to be reminded of that.

[@Heatblast1221]

i loved his grindset, damn i really hope he comes back and redeems himself

[@TheDapperDragon]

Dude literally did nothing wrong.

[@Jupiter.141]

I just remembered Graves is that NCIS guy in the terminal list. He's really good at delivering his lines

[@danieldyason8711]

2:32 i feel like brother wasnt "just saying" after all

[@twomouse5572]

Dude has Homelander vibes "They love me, they love me. Until they don't. Kill them."

[@glopping1984]

I can't help but love Graves

[@docproc144]

Graves was such a badass character man. His charisma was unmatched. In a game with iconic characters such as Price, Soap, Ghost, and Gaz, Graves stole the show in every scene he was in.

[@rtvtictaczac727]

Soap: when the prophets learn of this they will have your head Graves: hahahaha fool they ordered me to do it

[@Ricky911_]

Choosing the same voice actor for Rafe from Uncharted 4 (Warren Kole) was the best decision they could make. Even in Uncharted 4, he's initially an ally until later on in the game when a rivalry comes along. Warren Kole is born to play roles like this. The funny thing is only ever voiced a character in these 2 games. His other roles have all been movies or series

[@zaegerwolf]

A lot of people must not know what a PMC is cuz he legit is getting paid by either Shepard or the US and obeys their orders because that's where his bankrolls are coming from, still I think he could come back and maybe even have redemption

[@wildwaters8348]

As someone who didn’t know about the og modern warfare games I knew from the end of the oil rig that he’d be a bad guy

[@strike4digi]

Finally we get to know more about shadow company…. I love how they portray graves but his like a dog to shepherd so it’s no surprise he betrayed

[@MrDibara]

A reality most players seem to be having a hard time accepting. "Bad writing" they keep repeating, yet when I first played this, something about his demeanor instantly sent me off. _GRANTED,_ I will admit, the bastard won me over through the course of the story to the point I was wondering _"damn... maybe I'm judging a book by its cover, maybe he's actually nice."_ But then, *nope.* My bad feelings turned out true. Bro was Shepherd's lapdog from day one and I felt like a damn fool for starting to drop my suspicions.

[@TrifectaMonkey]

The betraytal scene is so well acted out. Shadow Company deserve their own spinoff.

[@tabajara3121]

Graves is the best OC CoD character since Black Ops 1

[@TheRealMarx]

Best line from Graves "I don't make threats... I make guarantees..."

[@LiceDuhaPRODUCTIONS]

Imagine Graves is Roach because he survived the tank like a roach 😂

[@SLSAMG]

That thumbnail is now the new troll face.

[@Bs_Void]

Idk how this game have a very very likeable roster of characters with excellent dialogue while also having a plot that literally doesnt make sense

[@maxm2317]

At the beginning of "Alone", I was kinda hoping to hear several of the Shadows whooping and hollering and cheering as they congratulated themselves on a job well done.

[@CA17206]

This man literally played rafe in uncharted

[@polish_idiot5430]

Yeah the interigation thing being "illegal" doesn't make a single spec of sense to me tbh. Like we have been shown him commiting several crimes already up to that point. From acts of illegal border crossing to actual acts of domestic terrorism and that's on american soil?

[@TH4L3G1TK1NG]

It doesn’t make sense, it’s a plot device, and that’s all it is. If he’s a know leader of a terror organization they can pretty much do what they want, not to mention it’s PMC’s holding him which gives the American government plausible deniability, as well as the op would probably be off the books.

[@gtmike916]

Right!

[@Deathmare235]

I love how he says he’s not at war with Mexico yet he works with a cartel

[@Deathmare235]

It just makes Hassan even shittier and luckier

[@OpticHamster69]

Thats why they were trying to capture him in the US before he crossed the border because America was at war with Iran or wherever Hassan is from. The rules of war are so dumb people always bend and break them anyways.

[@letsgobucs79]

5:24 is when I remembered what the Shadow Company was. They mentioned Shadow Company many times and it didn't click. But I remembered what it was. When they stopped at the Mexican army base

[@jospehcahill7320]

Graves was honestly my favourite character in the campaign

[@SpartanBrix]

Betcha a battle pass that Graves’ll be back to be my favorite operator ;)

[@Broken-A08]

I was surprised they had general morshower as shepherd

[@nox1ck589]

Grave was honestly a great addition to the cod multiverse and tbh i really like his attitude and just how he spoke it just sucks they made him make a 180 just for the sake of Shepard's betrayal

[@Firealone9]

I don't think Infinity Ward knew just how much we would love this character or they wouldn't have killed him off. Hero or villain, he NEEDS to return in MW3. He's too likeable to not be a mainstay in the franchise.

[@howdoichangemyusername9802]

Guy could’ve literally been the American version of Price.

[@Lolzbeastie]

Love how at 6:13, Graves' name goes from Blue to Red. It's the details 🤏

[@jcord92]

I killed him too fast I missed graves speaking Spanish to rudy. That was a hidden gem.

[@TB_Bennett]

"Hook, line and fucking sinker" has to be the best line the game

[@karoshn]

“THATS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT SHADOWS! YOU KNOW I LOVE THAT SHIT!” *me in my chair* : YUP-YUP

[@pyrothefriendlyarsonist9195]

Literally the one Villain i like

[@jacobperez7168]

I wish they gave him large frame glasses so he could look like Mike Vining