phonon - emme (time signature interpretation)

[@prathamt1950]

I don't understand why Phonon is getting so much hate on Twitter for the time signature

[@ultr5129]

He is?

[@justalpha9138]

Wait, he actually is? Man, Twitter is such a dumb app.

[@mkmbstudio6950]

Because it's twitter. Glad i never used it since it seems to be the most toxic place on the internet

[@justalpha9138]

@@mkmbstudio6950 Especially with the business king Trump! :D

[@finodogrosso]

i don't see why :(

[@Fulgem]

emme meem meme

[@cringesheluvs]

LOL

[@AYouTubeChannelwithNoName]

emme meem *m e m e*

[@RageDasher_7751]

mother problem meme

[@slowmovingtrains]

mother problem meme

[@ElectroMityay]

eminem

[@lazcodm9325]

Phonon is starting to make a math class today (Also the fact that the name is a meme but in scrambled words)

[@visagemsc]

what is it

[@lazcodm9325]

@@visagemsc you mean the ???? Emme?

[@visagemsc]

@@lazcodm9325 What meme is "phonon" a reference to?

[@lazcodm9325]

@@visagemsc no i mean is the name of the song is meme but in Scrabbled words

[@lazcodm9325]

Meme Emme

[@carlosflores4179]

I wish phonon was better at melody writing since his rhythm is so good

[@officialfzcphrxx5895]

hm its called microtones

[@carlosflores4179]

@@officialfzcphrxx5895 Its not that he uses microtones, jacob collier does that too and he writes waaaay better melodies

[@prodpoob]

@@carlosflores4179 phonon is new to it is all

[@agamaz5650]

@@carlosflores4179 yeah give phonon a while and he will blew up af

[@carlosflores4179]

@@agamaz5650 no doubt!

[@TheWhiteFox17]

Please do more of these!

[@finodogrosso]

of course :)

[@user-qn9mr7cb2w]

3.875/4 Vai pegar outro viral

[@finodogrosso]

kek

[@kalliboymusic]

3.875/4 é basicamente 31/32

[@colton69420]

Glad there is someone more musically talented than me to figure this out. ❤️ Nice vid.

[@finodogrosso]

😳😳

[@undrscoremusic]

"dont think, just feel" but but how

[@Dani_Rigel]

but he got a point tho after hearing the first bar of those 5.2 + 3.2 I can feel and follow the rhythm

[@piguyn]

unless i'm missing something, wouldn't it be 3.5/4 + 2.5/4 + 2.875/4 ? Nevertheless, insane vid and great work figuring this out!

[@NicolasPL_]

Yep

[@NicolasPL_]

And also that 3.5/4 + 2.5/4 could just be a 7/8 + 5/8

[@finodogrosso]

i thought of that and I tried but it sounds a bit off the grid, it doesn't looks right :\ the solution i found was split in various time signatures and then it switches whenever needed without getting out of the grid, thats why 2 or 3 time signatures at once :)

[@csx42]

hi pi

[@shamain9891]

I am f in matematics

[@macchiato_1881]

Microtones could be an interesting concept to explore more for producers. I dig it, surprisingly.

[@SlyceCaik]

Decimal time signatures??? holy fucking shit

[@kalliboymusic]

There's no real decimal time signatures 5.2/4 and 3.2/4 are 52/40 and 32/40 And 3.875/4 is just 31/32

[@tiddly5]

@@kalliboymusic i think 26/20 and 16/20 but yeah

[@kalliboymusic]

@@tiddly5 Yeah, same thing It's like 4/4 and 8/8

[@SlyceCaik]

@@kalliboymusic just saw this and yea that makes more sense

[@Dani_Rigel]

This type of thing from Phonon is what makes me enjoy his music Like Polyriddim, those nested tuplets are just confusing but I still enjoy them

[@arcioko2142]

irrational time signatures are epic

[@kalliboymusic]

π/4

[@arcioko2142]

@@kalliboymusic actually irrational time signatures aer epic too

[@kalliboymusic]

@@arcioko2142 ?????

[@arcioko2142]

@@kalliboymusic actually irrational

[@kalliboymusic]

@@arcioko2142 Do you have a brain?

[@hatrifymusic]

mind blowing 😮

[@FL00527]

why is this so dope

[@quack2889]

I'd be interested to know how you make your visualizers, they're very clean.

[@vntamed700]

My brainnnnnnn

[@dxv3d]

0:55 my fav part

[@TheSkyCrusher6]

David

[@dxv3d]

@@TheSkyCrusher6 sky

[@illusionismm]

POV: you thought

[@onlywatchingchannel]

phonon time signature shoud be a crime

[@Shobas]

is there a tempo change at 1:10?

[@asrock2577]

yes. it gets faster

[@AYouTubeChannelwithNoName]

@@asrock2577 Nice motherboard

[@asrock2577]

@@AKZbinChannelwithNoName thank you

[@idrissmb]

No

[@Shobas]

@@idrissmb got confused as the two first time signatures in those measures should be 1 lower than the video shows lol

[@achsunshee]

Ah, i see, phonon loves changing time sign

[@roshwyinstaicoon2593]

For people who don't know the time signature (or just lazy to watch the video in the desc), it's 4/30.

[@finodogrosso]

i wanna thanks LV3TO for helping my figuring out some parts of the song :) his channel: soundcloud.com/lv3to this is my personal interpretation of the first drop of the song emme by phonon. this is probably not 100% correct 'cause there's many ways to do the same thing, but i recently saw a Shawn Crowder video with phonon in which he tells the actual song's time signatures so, go check it out right now ma boi kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6KUiYiFp9CHftE (and have fun)

[@lv3to]

AAAAAA

[@cefas4641]

@@lv3to krl ó o elevador

[@DroppingTearsxd]

Explicaçao fina do grosso kkkkk

[@kataev1420]

it seemed to me that I was on adam neely's channel

[@enderkoregameing8090]

There's quintuplet swing on the first 4:4, the metronome is out of sync with the swing

[@lowelindquist]

It’s because it’s subdivided into eightnote quints, I don’t know if it is eightnote quints but there are 10 quintuplets in the bar making the swing but it can still be interpreted as 4/4. It become sort of like a 5 against 2 polyrhythm

[@zethoficcial]

Phonon é genial e ainda tem maluco q diz q pollyridim é bagunça, tncc, salve evoluçãOooo

[@kalliboymusic]

Phonon tem muito o que aprender ainda Mas ele tem um domínio absurdo de ritmo e também sabe muita coisa sobre composição de jazz Ele é praticamente uma inspiração pra mim

[@abbasahmedlp]

Somewhere in this world..... Ross would be appreciated more......

[@EdgarVillagme]

OK OK OK, BUT, Someone Can EXPLAIN ME HOW DO THIS TIMES IN MY DAW??!?!?! Wtf 😅? I Just know how to put 4/5

[@Toxoplasmosis679]

Fuck the .875 just add the 3 meters and call it 95/32 😎

[@headphonezmusic1727]

HAHA Lol phonon has something about that time signature

[@kalliboymusic]

He loves Jazz

[@arcioko2142]

wouldn’t the 4.5/4 3.5/4 3.875/4 be 9/8 7/8 31/32

[@sakuraaaa001]

To some extent, yes, but I feel like (personally) the decimal notation makes more sense - 4.5/4 and 9/8 both mean the same thing, but 9/8 implies an inherent structure in how the beats are subdivided, whereas 4.5/4 implies it is a bar of 4/4 with an extra eighth note.

[@arcioko2142]

@@sakuraaaa001 well, 9/8 can imply both 4/4 with extra eight note and tripleted 9/8, and its not nearly as weird to see

[@rwrunning1813]

The first one would be 21 / 20 + 16 / 20

[@skorzamusic4790]

4/4 then (26/20 (like bruh whats a 20th note) and 16/20) then (9/8 and 7/8 and 31/32) also theres a 71/160 inside this hellscape of a song bruh phonon wtf

[@kimyona9746]

20th notes are alot more common than most people think. 32nd notes are extremely common as well... I commonly use 64th in my weird drum stuff. Lol

[@Cubit3Official]

i don't know the enogh english to say this: hiciste un excelente trabajo, yo tenia muchas dudas sobre que tan irregulares podian ser los compases (si se cerraba a numeros completos o si usaba numeros decimales) yo intenté escribir en partitura los compases compuestos con un amigo, nos dimos cuenta que el drop puede acomodarse de varias formas, es decir: solo phonon conoce los compases compuestos originales, pero en realidad, hay muchas formas de contar los compases y varias de ellas son correctas, por lo que tu forma de contarlo, en realidad es correcto, pero solo phonon conoce la metrica ideal. Excuse me, may be i will translate this, regards my friend, new sub

[@finodogrosso]

thank you so much!! you're right, there is many ways to do this song's composition, but the "true" one only phonon knows (despite that he said the true values on the Shawn Crowder video [link in the description], but I was developing my video before it comes out, so i was left just with my interpretation)

[@Cubit3Official]

@@finodogrosso my gosh dude, i already looked the video, that work it's just magnific

[@yarodubz7628]

Agora que vi que o nome do canal é fino do grosso, por acaso vc é br?

[@finodogrosso]

sempre fui

[@rian3280]

acho que não é não

[@wagneraraujo2479]

@@finodogrosso qual seu insta mano?

[@phoenixdub0]

how much maths do you think it would take to make this type of stuff lol

[@prodpoob]

one

[@phoenixdub0]

@@prodpoob what. speak english pls

[@prodpoob]

@@phoenixdub0 one

[@phoenixdub0]

@@prodpoob thats still doesnt make sence. keep going! your getting there

[@kalliboymusic]

You just need how to count it

[@lilromierome]

.2 of a count. Isn’t that worth 1 note of a 16th quintuplet? Asking for a friend

[@Jack1Roland]

What’s this metronome app?

[@finodogrosso]

it's not an app unfortunately, i made those visuals myself

[@williamnjagi2388]

You dont need decimals please

[@prod.electrostatic1030]

I feel like the first 4:4 is more of a 6:8 to me

[@kalliboymusic]

Yeah, i feel that too

[@lowelindquist]

It’s subdivided into eightnote quints so it could be interpreted as 5/8 but at another tempo and phonon wanted the tempo to be the same throughout the whole song

[@jakob1658]

At the beginning it's not 4/4, it is quintuplet swing

[@finodogrosso]

it is a quintuplet swing in 4/4, creating this kinda "lo-fi hip hop" effect

[@jakob1658]

@@finodogrosso Yeah but the 4/4 is half of the tempo, that is used in the video

[@meru_lpz]

@Twinimi Why not just measure in 10/8 then?

[@sakuraaaa001]

@@meru_lpz Would you measure normal swing in 6/8? No, of course not.

[@jonatandjurachkovitch460]

I would measure it in 2/2, because the subdivision divides the half notes in 5 or 7, I'm not sure.

[@fractalreptillian6985]

😆 you mean 7/8 timing? Stop trying to be more complex than needed! Lol

[@Kinzuu]

no, this song is actually a lot more complex than 7/8

[@fractalreptillian6985]

@@Kinzuu hmmmm.... Look for something hard enough and you will find it.

[@finodogrosso]

you're right in the "stop being more complex". using decimal numbers in the time signature is actually not effective and it just make everything way too complex looking. but it's not that hard once you get it what is going on, especially the second signature (5.2+3.2/4) which it's just one quintuplet (1/5) longer :) (there is some ways to convert it btw but i'm not big brain enough yet)

[@FROZENbender]

"stop trying to be more complex than needed!" what do you think the purpose of these time signatures is? It's not about making it complicated for the sake of complexity. It's not for the "haha look at me and my funny time signatures". phonon is a guy that rightfully recognised time signatures as a stylistic tool for his music and he's making full use of it. It's not like he's the first to do it or even the first to become popular for it.

[@fractalreptillian6985]

@@FROZENbender I love Phonon. My comment is directed at the creator of the video using decimal places to male the track seem insanely complex. There is an easy to follow and feel 7/8groove for the majority of the track. 3.2/4 for example... Not nessicary

[@RiRiRiPoks]

Idea isn’t bad but the execution is just bad lol

[@prodpoob]

this is pointless

[@prodpoob]

the song is impossible to groove to or even understand so how do 90% of people enjoy it

[@ShockWarp]

@@prodpoob i can headbang and groove to it, you just need to listen to it like a thousand times lol

[@prod.electrostatic1030]

@@prodpoob don't be a theory nerd please

[@prodpoob]

@@prod.electrostatic1030 this song is being a music theory nerd im saying it doesn't sound good to me

[@kalliboymusic]

@@prodpoob Welcome to the world That forget that music is art and isn't made just for dance or headbang