Photography comparison - Canon M6 mark II vs CANON EOS R7

[@CarlosLemans]

The result I've got comparing the same RAW images at ISO 100 from DPREVIEW was different of yours, probably you missed a configuration in your camera, I downloaded a 100 ISO RAWs from M6mkII and R7 and processed them with DXO RAW 3.0, there is no difference in noise, clarity and sharpness, the result is exactly the same picture at 400%. If you go to Photon to Photos site, the DR and NOISE curve are exactly the same in M6mkII and R7, that site confirm my findings and demostrates that the youtuber did mistakes in the testings. I do mostly landscape and portraits, the R7 is more a downgrade than an upgrade in my case.

[@tonykeltsflorida]

I like my m6II. It might not be as good as a r7 but I don't have to sell my car.

[@JazzyJ5G]

I'm bummed that you sold your M6 MKII and I just got mine a few days ago!! I was looking forward to more M6 videos from you, but I suppose I'll just have to be satisfied with your archived M6 videos! lol....Thanks for the memories! 😊

[@RogerAVHansen]

Hope you find something useful in my older videos on the M6 mark II 😊 As technology improves I like to try our new things, so unfortunately the M6 mark II had to go. Thank you for watching 😊 Appreciate it 😊

[@JazzyJ5G]

@@RogerAVHansen I sure will. Love your videos. I totally understand where you're coming from. I'm sure I'll upgrade down the road also, but I love what the M6 Mark II can do, and I can share the lenses I have with the M50 Mark II. I will look forward to the videos to come from you. Who knows, you may inspire me to get an R7 at some point, too!! lol....Thanks!

[@edruttledge342]

I posit the M6Mk2 and the R7 have the same basic guts. The R7 has the advantage of better developed firmware and was marketed as an entry level camera for the R series of lenses Canon wants to sell. The disadvantage of the R7 system is the loss of the M series lenses ... which had a promise of offering a small compact and light weight lens array ... until, of course, Canon killed the series to sell more higher profit R mount lenses. The M series was the beta max of cameras - potentially superior concept ditched for superior profits. I shoot Canon cameras as they are the Toyota of camera systems - boring, predictable and reliable. But, Canon, the company, is not about supporting its user community.

[@wellingtoncrescent2480]

I was eager to hear your review, as I recently recently upgraded my M6 II to the R7 (though like you, I wasn't ready to give up on the M6 II, which I still use for video and astrophotography). My main application is birding, and I swear I never had so much fun as I did with the M6 II, which I used with both a Sigma 150-600C and Tamron 100-400 Di VC with Canon's EF to EF-M adaptor. But the late 2022 saw a 20% off sale here in Canada, and my wife persuaded me to trade in my two bird lenses for the Canon RF 100-500 mm, and I fear there is no going back. The Tamron 100-400 weigh the same as the RF 100-500, and the Sigma weighs 50% more, which was a serious limitation due to a physical handicap. In addition, I no longer have to worry about AF pulsing, the dual focus motors are exquisitely responsive, and the image quality is breathtaking (as you would expect for L glass). Add animal eye tracking and better co-ordination between the lens IS and R7 IBIS, and I'm now singing a completely different tune. If you can manage the price, it's definitely worth the upgrade, at least for birds and wildlife.

[@RogerAVHansen]

The RF 100-500 would probably have been a great lens, but the price 😅 I’ve been looking at the RF 100-400.. it’s not an L lens, but I’ve seen some YT videos about it and it looks promising 😊 Glad you found joy in your new setup ☺️

[@ziv2liv]

One big thing that cannot be seen in this video is... The $1,000 difference between the two... 😀So sure, if you are a professional photographer who doesn't want to or cannot carry a full size DSLR with you, The R7 is certainly preferable, but for the hobbyist among us, the M6 is just fine.

[@RogerAVHansen]

I agree 😊

[@gurhanpekuz1813]

I own other cameras but not long ago, I bought my m6 ii for street photography. I am very happy with small form factor.

[@RogerAVHansen]

The small form factor of the M6ii is fantastic 🥳

[@gurhanpekuz1813]

​@@RogerAVHansen The funny thing is Canon M6 II has more resolution than EF-M Lenses. When it is used with good EF lenses small form factor is not there. Anyway, Canon M6 II is a true gem

[@RogerAVHansen]

@@gurhanpekuz1813 except for the EF-M 32mm f/1.4. That lens is up to par with the sensor in the M6ii 😊

[@dwslump]

Great video, thanks for doing that comparison, I was curious to see that 😊

[@thebrandfinger3357]

Great comparison between both cameras and even with the same pixel levels but also I think the RF 50mm have some avantages over the ef 50mm, but still I believe the R7 sensor is giving us the best quality on photography and videos as well. Thanks for this great video! 👍

[@tysonator5433]

Good video on the comparisons of two popular cameras. I suspect the digiX CPU in the R7 is a big reason for the improvement in image quality. Both cameras have what is still a relatively slow read out sensor. I own 7Dii, R7, Sony A6600, Sony NEX5R. The R7 is by far the best eye AF detection I have used, with only the R5 and Sony A9ii which are at the pinnacle of their game.

[@zavman109]

I have both cameras. The R7 has the major advantage of animal eye tracking that is incredible. Other than that I love my little m6ii. The best part is I can use ef lenses with the adaptor, have a few ef-m lenses from Canon and Sigma. I still have not bought an RF lens due to mostly the price, omg! Canon needs to let third party makers build for the rf mount.

[@RogerAVHansen]

I totally agree, restricting third party lenses for the RF mount was a big mistake in my opinion 😊

[@Necron990]

Use the Canon or 3rd party EF/EF-S to RF converter. You'd be surprised, some of the EF/EF-S lenses more than hold their own against their RF counterparts. Other 3rd party lenses in those formats are also good, the Tamaron 35mm SP VC F1.4, for example

[@tysonator5433]

I use the Ef to RF adapter to mount ef L grade telezooms to my R7 and they work very well. I am sure native RF may be a little more snappy to focus, however the cost is way to much, and I am not spending the cost of a reasonable used car amount on replacing my current EF mount lenses !

[@Necron990]

@@tysonator5433 exactly, the R mount lenses are NOT miles ahead of their previous counterparts and don't justify the higher cost.

[@tysonator5433]

@@Necron990 I suspect this is the market Canon will make the highest profit !

[@Abhshkraj]

After much contemplating I finally bought the EOS RP with the EF adaptor since I've 12 Canon lens. Now I've a perfect pair of cameras for the moment. Looking at your comparison here, I'm glad I didn't choose the R7.

[@RogerAVHansen]

Congrats on the RP 😊

[@Abhshkraj]

@@RogerAVHansen thank you Roger

[@NatalieZii]

I get that out of camera the R7 is better than the m6ii in terms of noise and detail, but I wonder if there is some simple post processing that can match them? Noise tends to be easily removed these days. And the m6ii costs half the amount of you don’t need the latest AF.

[@semconto1535]

The Rf Lens are different. Do you need compare both with EF 50mm. But, really good work. Thanks

[@tonykeltsflorida]

When I watched this again, I remembered that you were talking about RAW files. My M6 II RAW files (.cr3) are always flat. That is normal. I use darktable and get the better photos or I use the jpg from the camera if I just want to quickly post a pic.

[@tom_k_d]

Nice comparison - I'd expect both cameras, with their 32MPs, will outperform the resolution of this EF 50mm 1.8 at F1.8 - maybe a test with this lens at F5.6 would be more revealing in terms of pure sensor performance...

[@RogerAVHansen]

The original plan was to do more testing, but then I sold the M6 mark II, so I had to compare the shots that I got 😊

[@randallbrander8157]

I enjoyed your comparison. You can't go wrong if you have the proper lighting and having a great nifty fifty lens either in EF or RF mount. I compared the R10 and R7 and the R7 with IBIS stabilization and C-Log 3 capability is the better camera. But I seem to grab the R10 more because of the portability an weight. Do you miss the M6II for that? Cheers!

[@RogerAVHansen]

I usually used the Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 (with the adapter) together with my M6 mark II, and that’s a big and heavy lens on that camera body, so I really never had a small and compact M6 mark II setup 😅

[@максимт-ф5щ]

I used the Canon 90d for almost two years and when I switched to the Canon R7 I was surprised how much better the Canon R7 is, how much better the image quality, sharpness and detail are, better at working at high ISOs, better video quality,

[@gilcarvalhopro1249]

Hi Roger! Nice comparison. Here I am again with a special request 😊😊: can you make a video teaching us how you color grade your videos, especially these kind of studio videos ? Thanks

[@RogerAVHansen]

You know, there is no color grading in these talking head videos. They are filmed on My Sony A7SIII in 4K, 8bit, 4:2:0 and picture profile turned of. So what you’re seeing is straight out of camera. Filming my talking heads like this saves me a lot of time in the editing. So there is no secret color grading procedure I’m afraid 😊

[@gilcarvalhopro1249]

​@@RogerAVHansenIs it serious that it was filmed with ppOFF 😀😀?? Man, the sony 7SIII is an excellent camera so. Do you think I ´ll get the same results with the A7IV? And wich lens and lights do you use? Thank you very much

[@RogerAVHansen]

You should get the same results with the A7IV. I also use my A7IV for my talking head shots and can’t see any difference. For lighting I suggest getting the Godox ML60/SL60 or something more powerful depending on your budget, with a soft box and grids for your main light. Than you can get some ambient lights for the background. You don’t need that much to get it to look okey 😊 I use the Tamron 17-28 f/2.8 for my talking head videos 😊

[@gilcarvalhopro1249]

@@RogerAVHansen Thank you very much Roger. I wish you success always. Greetings from Brazil.

[@joseacarrasm]

Do you think the R7 has a new sensor or perhaps is the same but with new software optimization?

[@RogerAVHansen]

I’ve heard it’s the same sensor that’s in the 90D/M6 mark II, but I’ve also heard that it’s not. So I don’t know what to believe. But I do know that the Digic X processor helps to get more out of the R7 than the Digic 8 did for the M6 mark II.

[@tandendo]

Your comparison is awesome. Thanks!

[@RogerAVHansen]

Thank you! 😊 Glad you liked it! 😊

[@czellermann]

This comparison is bullshit...

[@tandendo]

@@czellermann Ive got Nikon Z30 after all

[@RogerZoul]

Wonder what Canon did to get the r7 sensor to be a little bit better than that of the m6mk2/90D sensor? I was really expecting them to be essentially the same sensors.

[@RogerAVHansen]

Could just be better processing as it’s a better processor in the R7..

[@petergunndetective]

Do you find the auto focus of the 18-35 Sigma to be fast and accurate? I've been thinking that it would make a great combo but no one really reviews it as a photography option. It's always "best video setup" videos.

[@RogerAVHansen]

Never had any issues with the AF on that lens! It’s my favorite lens on APS-C cameras 😊

[@nupurnaskar2511]

Hi sir , for fashion photography sony a7iv better or canon r6 mark ii ?

[@randallbrander8157]

I do not know if Mr. Hansen has ever used the Sony A7IV but the lenses are the most important component for the camera. Wide field of view, Macro or lower aperture will make any picture or video that you create pop. You will always get new cameras but it is the lenses that you will keep. It also depends on your budget. You cannot go wrong with any decision that you choose. Just remember buying a newer camera will be outdated pretty quickly. Sony has a great lens collection APSC and Full Frame for the Mirrorless. Canon has just two APSC Zoom Lenses and I believe the RF-S 24mm but you can get an adapter for the EF lenses. Also the Sony A7IV is a Full Frame camera which lets in more light than the Canon M6II is APSC. Hope this helps in your decision. Cheers!

[@RogerAVHansen]

I own the A7IV, haven’t tried the R6 mark ii (yet). One advantage of the R6 mark II is 40fps in electronic shutter against 10fps on the A7IV. Not sure how the rolling shutter is on the R6 mark ii, but with 40fps there has to be some keepers there 😊 The lower MP sensor on the R6 mark II should help in low light situations also. Both cameras is full frame but Sony have so many more lenses for their system. But again, I haven’t tried the R6 mark II, nor have I tried fashion photography, so I’m not the best person to answer this question 😊

[@Alexander-bj6vj]

Greetings! Great and informative video. I have a question and I would be grateful if you helped me. I am an aspiring filmmaker that would like to buy a new camera. I am thinking of a smartphone or a dedicated camera. What camera do you recommend for me to buy? Should I buy a used one maybe? My budget is less than a thousand dollars. I want my films to me cinematic looking so keep that in mind. If you would help me i would be very grateful! Thank You!

[@RogerAVHansen]

Hi! Well, your budget sets a limit to what you can buy.. getting something used could definitely get you more quality for the money. Getting the cinematic look is more often about lighting and lenses than it is about cameras nowadays. I would take lens options in consideration when deciding on what camera brand to go for. Canon has put themselves in a corner banning third party lenses on their RF mount. I think I would look toward a brand that had third party lens options, like Sony and Lumix for example. With your budget you should probably look for a camera with an APS-C sensor, those are cheaper cameras but you can still get great looking footage out of them with the right lens, and lenses for APS-C cameras are often cheaper also. Don’t know if I have one specific camera to recommend to you, but hopefully my answer can help you narrow the search a bit. The best of luck to you 😊

[@AbijeetDulal]

how to color grading canon r7 clog 3 footage ?.. Please make video...

[@RogerAVHansen]

I’ll try and get on that 😊

[@AbijeetDulal]

@@RogerAVHansen Thank you..Love from Nepal❣

[@Colorado4x4]

Really nice work!!!

[@RogerAVHansen]

Thank you 😊

[@ottenburger]

Cześć Czy odszumianie w korpusach i Lr było ustawione na 0 ? Jaki tryb piture style był ustawiony w korpusach i Lr w czasie testów i porównania ? Jaki był ustawiony tryb balansu bieli w korpusach i w Lr? Jaki poziom wyostrzania ustawiono w korpusach i w Lr ? Możesz zamieścić link do pobrania jednej pary zdjęć testowych w formacie RAW ?

[@pfmusic1636]

I think we can all agree that the R7 is a much better camera spec wise than the M6 mkii, but the huge gap in APS-C lenses is the reason I wouldn't by the R7 or R10 now. I think lenses matter more than the body. Once Canon actually has some good lenses for their APS-C RF cameras this could be a much different story. Also using a full frame lens comparison is kinda misleading since the Sigma 56mm f1.4 will give you much better image quality for the M6 mkii than the ef 50mm 1.8 can offer with a similar field of view. Sadly the R7 doesn't have any real 3rd party lens option and likely won't. I haven't been happy with the full frame image quality of the M6 mkii but when I use APS-C lenses I see better image detail, colors and quality. Also the colors and images are much more comparable once you used an APS-C lens comparison, even if the M6MKii has more noise. SO I think the real takeaway is do you want to buy a camera now that has more native/3rd party lens options or do you trust Canon to make better lenses in the future? I'll wait to see what lenses these body get before I go back to an RF mount camera.

[@RogerAVHansen]

Yeah, the lenses collection for the R7 and R10 is not that huge at the moment. Rumors has it that the next lens coming together with the new R50 is a RF 22mm f/2… you could almost think that Canon is refurbishing the EF-M lenses… 🤔 If this is Canons strategy for the APS-C lenses I’m a bit disappointed. I was hoping to see something new.. in that case the EF-M collection is better since you have the third party options.

[@pfmusic1636]

@@RogerAVHansen it seems to me the R7 was really made to be used with high quality full frame lenses. 50mb "cropped" images would be amazing for wildlife and it definitely has the auto focus to keep up with just about anything if the lenses are fast enough. I think this is where the RF 100-400 would excel. I can consistently get 40-50 mb images using my full frame lenses with my M6 mkii so the R7 should be able to get higher resolution by a healthy amount with enough quality glass.

[@hamsphotovlogs]

Disagree, they should be almost the same at lower ISO. there is something wrong with your settings for both.

[@RogerAVHansen]

Interesting to know what settings you think are wrong? 🤔

[@benny9588]

It is the mount size makes the difference.

[@CrashPCcz]

Dpreview test scene shows different results. LR profile for RAW image is still not comparable. It is showing you SOMETHING to begin with, not to compare in the apples to oranges. This is not a good investigative work.

[@czellermann]

Using the worst lens from Canon and the most worst for the M-System.

[@mike.k]

Maybe You didnt turn off noise reduction on the R7?🧐 Me, when I want to check particular lens / camera im switching off ALL reductions, corrections , dro optimaizers etc hehe 🥸 then i can see how bare phisics and optics works

[@ottenburger]

Też mam takie podejrzenie, że odszumianie, styl obrazu oraz wyostrzanie dało taki efekt na finalnym porównaniu.