Phrozen Sonic Mega 8KS FAST PRINTING results explored

I've already taken an honest look at the extra large Phrozen Sonic Mega 8KS ( • Phrozen Sonic Mega 8KS... ) but at the time, there were no settings available for me to test Phrozen's print speed claims. In this short video, I put these fully to the test, matching the model parameters, resin type and settings perfectly to see if, like so many other companies, Phrozen have been shovelling bullsh** when spouting speed results.
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0:00 Introduction
1:12 The model
1:33 The resin
1:47 Settings
2:04 Disclaimers
3:00 The print
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[@vogman]

UPDATE... MEGA 8K AND OTHERS... According to Phrozen, faster speed settings shared in this video can only be achieved with the new Sonic Mega 8KS and not the Mega 8K at the moment. Similar speeds can also be noticed with the firmware updates for the Mighty 8K and 12K Upgrade Kit. However all the test were performed using our TR300 Resin. While the printing speed for the Mega 8K S is 10 times the normal speed, you can notice an increase of speed up to 6 times for the Mighty 8K and the 12K Upgrade Kit.

[@CraftPlayEnjoy]

Thanks for the video, always a pleasure to watch!

[@vogman]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@v8thumpertwin]

Id love to see these setting run on the original Mega 8K and/or without the ACF film. This comparison would truly put the line up and films in perspective. I jave a big project about to start that will fill the entire build volume of the original Mega 8K, so i might have to dive down the rabbit hole and try before you could get another video out. Keep the greta videos coming!

[@dnosal]

Comment for visibility

[@Quickcat21MK]

that was crazy speed an I trust you too. thanks for the video.

[@vogman]

It's nice to be trusted... now, about this amazing timeshare deal I've come across... 😂🤣😂

[@ClydapusGotwald]

It’s a good day when another vogman video drops.

[@vogman]

Thank you kindly 😁😁😁

[@Kyle-fr7ts]

@@vogman 😁

[@mk1479]

Amen to that!

[@mediocre-studios]

@Vogman, I can confirm the Mega 8KS prints to spec, but it splashes resin all over hell in creation while doing so. XP finder specifically drips and splashes upon raising the build plate upon completion.

[@tonywharton5220]

A brilliant step forward. Hopefully other companies would add this feature to smaller printers 👍 Great test ✌️

[@vogman]

Thanks Tony. I've just posted an update from Phrozen which suggests speed improvements are possible on some of their models, ie... UPDATE... MEGA 8K AND OTHERS... According to Phrozen, faster speed settings shared in this video can only be achieved with the new Sonic Mega 8KS and not the Mega 8K at the moment. Similar speeds can also be noticed with the firmware updates for the Mighty 8K and 12K Upgrade Kit. However all the test were performed using our TR300 Resin. While the printing speed for the Mega 8K S is 10 times the normal speed, you can notice an increase of speed up to 6 times for the Mighty 8K and the 12K Upgrade Kit.

[@Protocol-X]

Thanks for the update. Honestly, I think LPH is the way they should be advertised. MMPH really does not mean anything since layer size always changes based in print. But I am curious: Can you duplicate these results in alternative slicers? For example my anycubic is horrible with non anycubic slicers. Also have you tried to duplicate with other resins using similar settings?

[@Neknoh]

That is super interesting. The layer lines do seem a bit weird or nearly separated on some pieces, but for anything but competition/Instagram painting or jewelry casting? This is pretty damn insane

[@vogman]

Do remember this is just a 43 µm printer, and we've been spoiled for a while by much lower numbers. Also I have NOT fine-tuned these settings. I've just used exactly what I was told to use. So I think there's a little room for improvement, but I suspect for perfection slow is better - at least for now.

[@mk1479]

Thanks as usual for your work! What beats me is that all this tech and they keep on using USB sticks.. Wi-Fi should be mandatory in these days technology world.

[@vogman]

Plugging in the thumb drives is the only exercise I get 🤣😂🤣

[@mk1479]

@@vogman Hahahahahahaha.....

[@jamesm3268]

I prefer WiFi on the original 8k mega compared to this model without it to mention the tiny screen. Speed isn't everything compared to reliability.

[@AsimPaints]

Wow! I'm impressed. Looked like you had a really short light-off delay setting. I'm curious if you did fill the build plate up, would that affect things? I'm thinking due to way more disturbance of the resin as the build plate lowers with a more filled up plate. Also was hoping you tested this with other resins, like siraya tech and a cheap one like sunlu!

[@vogman]

I think a fuller plate would slow things down a little, but it's fair to say Phrozen were very fair with their claims. I've not experimented further, but there's no reason why other low-viscosity resins shouldn't perform equally well, if not better 😁

[@brad3378]

928 layers per hour is impressive!

[@vogman]

It is... for a printer this size... but it's important to compare like with like. Phrozen are saying Layers per hour. Other companies are saying mm per hour. Either way, for a printer this size, it's impressive speed.

[@Bardghost_Isu]

​@@vogmanIMO (and maybe I'm wrong) it would be fair to say layers per hour is probably a more fair metric to measure printer speed upon. Because no matter the layer height I have set it will achieve the same amount of layers. However if measuring in mm/h that can be wildly affected by later height and therefore quite easily manipulated if a manufacturer wants to be shady

[@vogman]

I just wish these companies would all use the same metric to make comparison easier 😁😁😁

[@ilikenothingtoo]

Layers per hour is a better metric because mm's per hr can vary when you could be printing anywhere from .01 to .1 layer height, but 1 layer is 1 layer.

[@vogman]

Many here are agreeing with you. 😁

[@GregAtlas]

Wow that lifting speed. On my standard resin (which is admitedly very thick and slightly flexible Siraya Tech Blu) I'm lucky to get 35mm/min so 500 mm/minute seems insane to me. Makes me want to switch my NFEP on my old Mega 8k and try these speeds out with that resin. Oh, and look at that insanely low lift distance. You can see a ton of artifacts from the lack of rest time after retract setting though. Especially around the text of that mando base.

[@youngswoops]

Do you think there is a similar resin from siraya-tech. I have the mega 8k but would like to upgrade to the s if I can achieve close to those speeds in other resins. Thanks again for the review it gives me something to consider.

[@vogman]

You're looking for a nice runny (low viscosity) resin. Temperature will make a difference and viscosity tend to drop when heat rises.

[@lukearts2954]

Since the resin seems to be such an important factor and you like this resin so much, would it be possible to make a comparison between printers using the exact same resin? (it'll still give phrozen an advantage since it's their resin and their printers will have settings that are dialed in perfectly for this resin, but I'm sure other printers should be able to approach them, shouldn't they?)

[@vogman]

Actually Phrozen has not gone with a special resin, which is admirable. I think they've chosen their least viscous resin from their range, yes, but they've not made a special bottle just to scam folks. With that said, the Creality Fast resin is practically water, it's so runny, so maybe this would work better than the TR300.

[@lukearts2954]

@@vogman perhaps this is a sign that there might be some norming coming up in this industry... I think it would suit both the users and the manufacturers to start using cross-brand norms. They will lose the scam income of proprietary resins, but I think they would win that back more with interchangeability of consumables and it would allow each brand to focus their development on certain aspects instead of having to be revolutionary on every corner and side of the product. Imagine you could buy the printer with the best Z-axis, pop in the screen of the brand that makes the best screen, and the tray and plate of the brand that does those the best... Instead of competing for the market with a race to the bottom on price and print times, we'd see a race to the highest quality. But that's just my wild imagination talking here hahaha

[@ScytheNoire]

I feel like Phrozen and UniFormation are the only two mainstream resin printer producers that feel trustworthy.

[@vogman]

It's like sports teams... people often have their favourites.

[@75keg75]

2:44 yes true but printing 1 has far less strain vs a filled build plate. I assume it would be ever so slightly quicker if less strain to break the acf and move up. It will likely be ms so unless the objects are super tall it would be negligible. Interesting to see if there’s a tangible a slow down with more prints ie 1 vs 5 vs 10 vs full plate. There probably a video just in that test.

[@vogman]

I'm a strange guy... I hate waste... so I'd only print 70 of something if I really needed it. I agree this may have changed the result slightly, but as you say, slightly. I think it's a fair conclusion that Phrozen were accurate in their 900 layers per hour claim. 😁

[@markmorgan8378]

A fast printer, Star Trek reference and a free Mandalorian file. I wish everyday could be a VogMan day. #LLVM

[@vogman]

Thanks Mark. Any day with Star Trek or Star Wars is a good day for me 😁😁😁

[@rafaellegaspitalavera3232]

sank uuu, now I know I made the right choice!

[@scaniapower4610]

Hello great video can I ask where you got your resin heater from please

[@patrickl9930]

The text on that Mando print looks quite rough, feels like things might be coming out a bit less uniform than ideal at those speeds

[@timothyosullivan6079]

I use the settings from the ANYCUBIC M5S on the Elegoo Saturn 2 and they are much faster. Reckon ill beef up supports and try these ones next! :)

[@compulsivecreators]

My question is can you up the lift speed when using speed resin? As of right now the default on the phrozen website is 60mm. Speed resin is super fast due to its layer height, imagine if we could use these lift speeds.

[@tomyocom5886]

I like the Layers per hour more then the MM per hour. Most of them are at .1mm or larger layers and a lot of us dont print that large of a layer. (00 layers is 900 layers imagine .2mm at 900 layers, Kaboom! thanks for the VID. Really hard to justify buying anything but DLP for the screen life, where have you averagely changed your screens?

[@vogman]

I am a DLP lover too, but currently patents restrict widescale manufacturing and that honestly holding the technology back. A DLP this size costs more than a family car.

[@tomyocom5886]

@@vogman So print what you can for the cost of wear, I guess. Just dont like the idea of screen replacement. thx

[@ianbowie8121]

Cant purchase them in the states or Canada ...

[@endocomuk]

Great video. I'd love to see how this printer makes car trim parts. Every example I see is figures or props. I want one to make car interior parts

[@keal4825]

i wish they make Mega 12KS soon, please ! i need Mighty quality in Mega huhuhu 😭

[@vogman]

I hope so too!

[@SubMjaso]

i wonder which printer is fastest with ABS like resin.

[@ramblingbadger]

Crikey!

[@catnamestaken]

Coolcoolcool where is my moneeeyyyy aaaaa. I want it.

[@mzsherman]

I just got a Mega 8K and it has the new vat ACF material installed. Wonder if these settings would work on this machine?? Great review and thanks!!!

[@vogman]

I honestly don't know. In theory it should as they are the same machine, but I SUSPECT Phrozen isn't making them any more as only resellers have them. However, it's worth dropping help desk an email. I would guess it's a firmware thing.

[@mzsherman]

OMG I didn't know they weren't making them anymore. I knew there was a V02 coming, but only AFTER I got my printer. It would be amazing if you did a test video to see if it works! And thanks again! @@vogman

[@vogman]

I could be wrong. It's just a guess. Maybe they prefer "reseller" only for these bigger machines. I'll drop Phrozen a line for you and ask about speed printing with the 8K 😁

[@vogman]

Sorry, it doesn't look good for the 8K at the moment... I quote: "UPDATE... MEGA 8K AND OTHERS... According to Phrozen, faster speed settings shared in this video can only be achieved with the new Sonic Mega 8KS and not the Mega 8K at the moment. Similar speeds can also be noticed with the firmware updates for the Mighty 8K and 12K Upgrade Kit. However all the test were performed using our TR300 Resin. While the printing speed for the Mega 8K S is 10 times the normal speed, you can notice an increase of speed up to 6 times for the Mighty 8K and the 12K Upgrade Kit."

[@pgabrieli]

@@vogman I suspect this has to do with the fact that the original Mega 8K (like the original Mini 8K) use the CHITU control board, whereas the S versions use Phozen's own board (which contributed to their lower price).

[@jet613]

Gosh i want one but i barely use my two saturn 2's and the little mono 4k i havent been qble to get printing :'(. I thinks its just the fomo for me haha.

[@vogman]

I'm just hoping they don't get any bigger 😁😁😁

[@juancarlossoriano980]

Tried this settings, sadly there's a huge suction

[@vogman]

That will depend on what you're printing, but ideally you want good lift height over a longer than typical period.

[@ChallingerScaleModels]

where can i find that pilot figure? grest review 👍

[@vogman]

Do a search on R2 miniatures.

[@carbonlution9228]

where did you get the resin parameter for fast printing? did you test it out or find those parameters somewhere? because I couldn't find them anywhere.

[@vogman]

These settings came directly from Phrozen. I have NOT adjusted them for my individual printer, so I don't expect perfection.

[@critical_always]

But isn't layers per hour a better unit to measure speed than mm per hour? It takes layer height out of the equation.

[@vogman]

It may well be... but I'd just like to see all companies quoting the same metric for easier comparison 😁

[@prg212]

Sorry if my question is one from a noob but this printer have a better speed and quality of print that elegoo saturn 3? Or the only best point is the surface of print?

[@vogman]

Print quality, definitely not. The S3 wins hands down. As for speed, I'm not sure. Speed is not my favourite subject. Personally I prefer slow printing to achieve better detail, but it is possible, by experimenting with various resin and settings, to speed things along. For a newcomer, unless speed is vitally important to you, I'd recommend enjoying the standard performance of the S3. It's a fine choice. 😁

[@prg212]

@@vogman thank you so much I have the first saturn and I want to change for more resolution for minis and dragons or monsters so you opinion is gold for me I was thinking on the M5s too but I saw on some reviews that S3 look like better option

[@vogman]

Did you see my review of the S3? kzbin.info/www/bejne/h2XJo6utr6ifhqs I rate it highly 😁

[@jasoncombs3232]

Aren't penny banks obsolete these days?😊

[@vogman]

I'm started a new, old trend 😂🤣😂

[@Kyle-fr7ts]

First

[@vogman]

You are indeed! Well done 😁😁😁