A New View of Protein with Dr. David Katz | The Exam Room Podcast

When it comes to protein, we’ve been looking at it all wrong. It’s time to think about it in a profoundly different way.
Protein expert Dr. David Katz, who is the former president of the American College of Lifestyle Medicine, shares his new view on protein.
Our quest for high-quality protein often causes us to overlook the harmful and potentially disease-causing compounds that come with that same protein. We eat it and then we get sick.
Dr. Katz shares his novel approach to protein consumption, where we’ve been going wrong, and the best and healthiest protein sources when he joins “The Weight Loss Champion” Chuck Carroll on The Exam Room Podcast.
-- Topics Discussed --
- The truth about protein deficiency rates
- Essential amino acid sources
- Healthiest sources of protein
- Environmental impact of protein sources
- Getting enough protein
- And more
Dr. Katz will be speaking at the 2023 International Conference on Nutrition in Medicine.
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[@laurabrim5062]

Great job with this one! I have been trying to explain to folks why I do not worry about protein eating this way. This is one of the best Exam Room's ever. Thank you ❤

[@BartBVanBockstaele]

You may want to check out prof. Christopher Gardner. He has some sort of fascination with protein and he very much agrees with Dr. Katz on the fundamentals.

[@natalieamore8195]

I love eating my plant based foods . I feel incredibly strong eating a large variety of veggies, fruits, legumes, grains ,seeds and nuts . I will not be eating any animal cell made foods. Loved the interview. Shared to my fcbk page.❤️🙏

[@smallfootprint2961]

Very important talk about protein. He gives us some things to talk about when questioned about it by friends, etc.

[@DaynaComstock]

Dr. Katz! I was star-struck seeing you today! I'm writing my MA thesis on the knowledge/beliefs of plant and animal protein and the possible correlation of types of protein consumption. (I am in school to be an RD). I cited a paper of yours a few times in my literature review and SO appreciate your perspective to reexamine the definition of "quality" protein. Way to go!!! I love your work. Thank you for this wonderful talk today and hope to see more of you!

[@vimalkirti4845]

- how much protein needed, 6% only ? McDougall says 3% only ?

[@BartBVanBockstaele]

@@vimalkirti4845 Percentage is irrelevant. The total quantity counts. Depending on how much you eat in a day, on average, you may get away wth very low percentages or need higher percentages. Take the amount of protein you need in grammes, multiply it by 400, divide the result by the total number of calories you need, and you have your answer. This is not rocket science, just something that is not usually talked about, almost certainly because it is indeed so simple. It is also not very useful. Just something that is nice to know if you are into this sort of thing.

[@gribbler1695]

There is no question that plant protein is lower quality and variable in its essential amino acids, compared to animal protein. Quality means digestability and bioavailability, not the garbage he said.

[@sheralschowe]

Same! Taco Bell survivor here. Not a day without it for years. WFPB since 2020. Thank you for this, and all of your informative podcasts Chuck. Dr. Katz is fantastic !! 👏👏👏

[@extropiantranshuman]

what's wrong with taco bell? There's plenty of WFPB food there like lettuce, tomato, etc.

[@DMGoggins]

​@@extropiantranshumanGoogle Taco Bell additives

[@BartBVanBockstaele]

That fascinates me. I have been to Taco Bell only once and have never returned. I thought it was one of the most disgusting things I ever had, barring the food I got as a child.

[@extropiantranshuman]

actually you're right - going to any place that serves animal products wouldn't be vegan. So many people are falling ill trying to eat the 'vegan protein' that isn't vegan realizing that their actions of ordering at taco bell isn't - and they still try to call themselves vegan. You are setting the way for better! For us to seek true WFPB and not fake out.

[@Alan-71351]

Wow sis, what a shift you made! Taco Bell daily to vegan. Happy for you I am! ❤❤❤

[@g.e.boroush5176]

Elephants, silverback gorillas, giraffes, hippopotamus, chimpanzees, horses, moose, deer, elk, antelope, are all mammals as are we human beings. I don't see any of these animals running around panicked that their diet isn't providing them enough protein. Chimpanzees are our closest animal relative - 2% of their diet is "meat", meaning insects and the occasional cannibalized neighborhood monkey. None of these animals exhibit protein deficiency. A cow doesn't eat meat nor drink milk - how do you suppose it builds its magnificent structure? It eats plants!

[@Caladcholg]

Research: cud. That's all I'll say for now.

[@nurtureulifecoaching3226]

Fabulous! Keep telling the Truth!!

[@CathrinCatherine]

Been listening to this on Spotify as i always do - exam room podcast on play during lunch and dinner time. Learned A LOT of new stuff in this episode! Thank you so much!

[@sashastarshanti3599]

Excellent show! Thank you, Chuck and Dr. Kats. Didn't expect the added bonus of Dr. Kat's wife's expertise in the kitchen, I'm so glad I watched!

[@plantpoweredcertifiednutri6740]

AWESOME lecture!!🌱💪

[@leonieduplessis4467]

Great fantastic PODCAST Chuck😊

[@newhouseb7]

Fabulous news! You both have so much to look forward to!

[@jeannamcgregor9967]

Excellent video...this gives me talking points for discussion with body-building friends. And I've just saved Catherine's Fresh Tomato Olive & Basil Rustic Galette recipe. Thanks!

[@BethShearon]

😀 have you seen Derek Simnett? Brian Turner, Nimai Delgado, Chris Moore 💗

[@FiberFairy22]

Thank you so much for this conversation, I’m so excited for the Nutrition Conference! ❤😊

[@jedmaple]

Positive knowledge is so invigorating.

[@annazybura8944]

Love your podcasts. So informative!

[@growingpure]

Wonderful interview! Super clear and informative! 👍

[@extropiantranshuman]

1:20 nice library background! I'd love to see what books are there. Not only should recipes be shared, but bookshelves too! I can't wait for that to be a new chapter in vegan youtube genres!

[@barbbrazes869]

Thanks for this excellent interview!! Gratitude for Dr. Katz!!

[@lightningbug276]

Great to know we get the protein we need from plants!

[@PClanner]

Yes we do and the protein is not as high quality as from plants, but also the nutrient density of plants is depreciating because it is being lost from the soil.

[@trentonharris7676]

Plants are unnecessary, toxic, and inflammatory in the human diet.

[@Patrick_Ross]

@@trentonharris7676- lookie there, folks….a troll has crawled out of its hole!😂

[@camillafladberg673]

Love the bookshelf😊.

[@Jasperscattales]

Fantastic conversation. I’m really glad there are meat substitutes. They are delicious. Unfortunately, I overused. Vegan burgers went into buns with the fixings and fries. They are not healthy. I gained weight. I’m back to whole food plant based vegan plan. Lost the weight. It’s so easy to use a bean or legume instead of meat. So many really fantastic vegan chefs on KZbin sharing easy, healthy, delicious, creative, and inexpensive recipes.

[@JulesCreativityPersonified]

GBOMBS are what we need . Dr Joel Fuhrman.

[@extropiantranshuman]

I like the intro!

[@skpjoecoursegold366]

thanks.

[@penniroyal4398]

All I know about eating protein is that my fasting blood glucose went from 200 to 98 in three weeks by changing my diet and stopped eating most carbohydrate. I already stopped eating grains with gluten 30 years ago when I developed an anaphylactic reaction to gluten. When I became diabetic a few months ago I quit all grains because that was what was jacking up my blood sugar. Now 1 month with no grains and very low carbohydrate’s my fasting blood sugar is 30 points lower 😮I also walk 3-5 miles a day every day! I am shocked that my body is so much healthier! I also am much less congested! I don’t need to take as many antihistamines as I use to just a few days ago.

[@RichS.73yroldbodybuilder]

Humans have the ability to fast. Other primates do not have the ability that’s what made us able to be mobile. You’re getting a reaction as if you were in famine mode. how long can you be in famine mode? You need to get to complex carbohydrates for a long-term basis. Man did not spend almost 2,000,000 years eating large quantities of meat. At best He was a scavenger of meat, not a hunter. He mostly made his diet from things he found in the ground not on the grocery shelf. He was not even able to make a spear untill about two or 300,000 years ago much less make it with anything on the end besides sharpening it. Somewhere along the line he was still needing food . He wasn’t eating tons of meat and oil ,then what? Complex carbohydrates…💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻

[@natalieamore8195]

Shared

[@Alan-71351]

Arnold thing was hilarious!😂❤

[@RichS.73yroldbodybuilder]

The big problem is if the companies that sell cheese meat, etc. call things protein. When you go to a restaurant they ask you what protein you want. You could just as easily say what plant proteins do you have. The problem is no one thinks to do that, they’ve been told that protein is only dairy meat, etc. They do not say necessarily that it’s any specific meat because that’s been taken out of the equation just beef pork chicken, they sneak cheese in, that’s what they want you to think when they say what proteins they don’t care what specific one you get. Its the same reason that there’s many restaurants on the same corner that are fast food. You’re still buying fast food that’s what they’re trying to sell when they say protein. It can be anything but never …plant protein...

[@Jeffs60]

Guinness world record oldest bodybuilder Jim Arrington age 90, eats daily, milk, cottage cheese, beef, chicken and fish, also has raw salads with each meal, consumes about 1 liter of olive oil per week and has moderate carb intake. He does not play games or experiment with different diets as he has been doing this same thing for well over half a century. Ernestine Shepherd, 86, oldest Guinness world record female bodybuilder, her diet consists of 1,700 calories a day, mostly from boiled eggs, chicken, vegetables, and a liquid eggs drink, and she runs up to 80 miles a week when training for a marathon. Johanna Quaas, age 97, 2012 Guinness record world’s oldest gymnast, likes to eat vegetables, fruits as well as a moderate amount of German meat. Herbert P. Douglass Olympic Medalist, age 101 favorite food, ham, spinach, macaroni, eggs, milk and Italian bread. Kenny Meyer age 102, the world's oldest skydiver eats 2 eggs sunny side up every day. He was very health conscious and very fit.

[@RichS.73yroldbodybuilder]

@@Jeffs60 So what do you look like? I’ll be 73 next month. There is my picture. I did all of this on a plant-based diet. These guys going to restaurants is that what you want to tell me. I don’t think so. That was what the Statement I gave was about. No bridge to hide under troll?

[@Jeffs60]

@@RichS.73yroldbodybuilder You are not in the Guinness World record book and the people I listed do not eat restaurant foods or other junk food. Guinness World record highest IQ Marilyn vos Savant 5’8” 125 lbs favorite foods are burgers, fish, vegetables, potatoes plus bread with butter. Manohar Aich, 1952 Mr. Universe, age 104, he credited his good health with a simple diet of milk, fruits and vegetables along with rice, lentils and fish, Betty Linberg age 98, does the 5K run, eats for breakfast eggs, bacon, toast, raspberries and blueberries. Who are your favorite Guinness World record athletes?

[@Ranch-girl]

that’s an incredible accomplishment!! What does a typical day of eating look like for your goals please? I’m trying to make the switch to entirely WFPB. Keep up the great work!!

[@Jeffs60]

@@Ranch-girl There are no long lived healthy WFPB in the Guinness world records so why even try? Are you going to outsmart nature and then hope to be in the Guinness book?

[@BartBVanBockstaele]

This was most definitely one of the better episodes. As for tofu, I find industrial grocery store tofu positively disgusting but artisanal tofu positively delicious. that said I no longer eat either of them. I just eat the whole soybeans. They are, by far, the tastiest beans money can buy, for me anyway.

[@BethShearon]

Hi from Tulsa 🥦 What if Big Broccoli had as much money as animal ag so they could inform people to support veg success -- imagine the bro science in the gyms ! Thank you ❤🥦🍎🥬🍅🫑🌶💚

[@ScotCampbellwindowpainter]

I eat protein, carbs and fat. 2000 calories worth s day. I eat strawberries, broccoli, pecans, blueberries, vegan meats, protein shakes, spinach, lots of beans, mushrooms,onions and protein bars

[@vimalkirti4845]

% protein, fat, carbs ?

[@ScotCampbellwindowpainter]

Cool intro. I eat about 128 grams of protein daily. Vegan 12 years now.

[@karendecosta6327]

I am having trouble doing that much protein my BUN blood work is up ugh

[@gribbler1695]

Your plant proteins have reduced digestibility and bioavailability, by about 10 to 20% over animal protein.

[@TexasHawk_1ks]

Very clean information here. This is truth, love it! Plant based is life. 🥦

[@CoreyHillesheim]

I listened to the whole thing twice, and still have no idea what the takeaway points are. How much protein should we be eating? Is 10-20% sufficient or optimal?

[@chriswills9437]

Truly excellent, thanks a million to David for appearing. Btw Ancel lived to (only) 100 not 102.

[@starcatcher3691]

I don't worry too much about meat alternatives. If its gluten free with gmo free soy ill take it! Within a context of a whole food diet i think they are great. Not every day but iften enough.

[@kentroskelley1389]

I wonder if cell grown meat would still have the inflammatory properties like saturated fat, Heme Iron, IGF1, TMAO, etc. I could see that Bio Burdens of live animals may be avoided from cell culture, but would some if the same inflammatory markers of meat still be there contributing to ie Cardiovascular disease?

[@wgg6188]

Yes to your question, plus the DNA manipulation might cause a foreign chemical reaction (inflammation). I’ll have the Impossible Foods instead.

[@kentroskelley1389]

Thanks for your response! I look at it as a bitter sweet situation, cell cultured meat has the potential to save the lives of billions of animals use less valuable resources to reduce the carbon imprint and stop the ravaging of rain forests to grow their feed, but if eating cell culture meat is still pro inflammatory then has anything really changed for meat eaters and cardiovascular disease? The Exam Room can continue educating people, and let them decide for themselves.

[@Jeffs60]

@@kentroskelley1389 IGF1, TMAO, Heme Iron, Neu5Gc and saturated fat are not inflammatory. You are getting information from non accredited sources. The body has 350k years of experience dealing with this unless someone consumes way too much of any. What destroys people's health is what the FDA removed from the food supply, it was partially hydrogenated cottonseed oil which has no animal fat or cholesterol as it was loaded with artificial industrial trans fats. You have it all backwards.

[@pennynolan7597]

Do ya'll not know about bean burgers and mushroom burgers? They should have been mentioned.

[@extropiantranshuman]

16:38 nature said - 'quit saying people are eating too much protein - you're not eating enough' lol

[@YogaBlissDance]

THIS IS SO PROFOUND-e ngineered to addict. I had to NOT BUY LAYS OR THE ONES IN THE TUBE, as I literally couldnt' stop till I finished the package- and in two days my skin would be broken out...over and over same result I finally stopped, though I only did it occasionally and each time I saw the acne...so after like f3 times it just was liek nope, not buying that!

[@krawlb4walking802]

I totally agree that there is an unbalanced view of what protein is and how much is needed. I do subscribe to a plant based way of eating and I get plenty of protein. I maintain muscle. One thing I was thinking about, though, as the Earth is going through these changes with climate problems, the heating of the oceans, the heating of the Earth itself, destroying of insects, pollution, natural disasters, wars … It’s not unfathomable that famine could greatly increase globally. Lower crop yields and soaring prices making food less attainable for the masses. I wonder if it’ll get to the point ( Not sure in my lifetime or not) where people will just be happy for any food? Ie, One old can of tuna and concentrated long shelf lemon juice to last a week. IDK. Of course, that would solve the overeating problem. But I wonder how long the body would stay healthy? Because I know fasting research has shown some benefits as regards disease and mental clarity. Anyway, sorry, just me wondering. In the meantime, I will continue to try my best to help the Earth and other people, and maintain my plant based way of eating to help me be as healthy as possible to deal with whatever is to come. 😅❤

[@mikecain6947]

Is kwashiorkor caused by protein deficiency?

[@rjahn3000]

Lots of Sarcopenia in the United States mostly with people over 60. Lack of protein and lack of weight bearing exercise.

[@extropiantranshuman]

there's plenty of health conditions where I see lack of protein - like anorexia, bulimia, etc. Even with eating low bioavailable animal products will you see animal eaters be low on protein would you believe!

[@SherryEllesson]

Not a lack of protein - entirely a case of lack of weight-bearing exercise.

[@extropiantranshuman]

@@SherryEllesson it's been scientifically studied that it is a lack of protein!

[@normanbell-br7nf]

@@SherryEllesson some very overweight people must be pretty strong just to move around -- I've lost several stones over the years -- the same weight in my improvised water-weights are really really tiring to swing about and lift !

[@susanewing1899]

Why does Dr. Katz's wife have meat, fish, dairy, and egg ingredients in her recipes? Example recipes: 'Spinach Tomato Feta Omelet', and 'Chicken Fricassee Over Quinoa' uses skinless free-range chicken thighs... Wow, I'm sorry, no disrespect to anyone but this is unacceptable on so many levels.

[@kentroskelley1389]

Broccoli contains more protein per calorie than steak. And this cruciferous veggie has only 35 calories per 3.5 ounces, whereas the same amount of prime rib steak delivers 341 calories.

[@Jeffs60]

100 calories of broccoli is about 8 grams of not complete or proper absorbable protein, 100 calories of sirloin steak is about 14 grams of complete and proper absorbable protein, and 100 calories of lean chicken breast has about 20 grams of protein.

[@kentroskelley1389]

Still doesn’t change my statement. And it doesn’t kill any innocent sentient animals.

[@Jeffs60]

@@kentroskelley1389 In grams or calories the steak has more protein than broccoli and so does a fatty 70/30 ground beef patty. The part about animals is a different subject but if that is the case then tell everyone you know not to mow their lawn because the tires and blades are killing millions of living creatures, and don't put bed sheets in the clothes dryer because they are killing millions of microscopic dust mites, don't walk on the sidewalk since you are crushing various tiny insects. However, please tell your friends to get termite treatment for their home because if those termites eat the structure of their home no insurance will cover the cost.

[@miracoli16]

​@@Jeffs60 Well, your "arguments"...😴 What about the animals that die in harvesting work for the feed for the farm animals that also have to die after a life of abuse in captivity? So meat production causes "double death"! What about the soy production for animal feed, for which rainforests are cleared, while the soy for vegan groceries in Europe is grown in Europe without destroying nature? BTW Broccoli is not about 8% but 13% well balanced protein per 100kcal and has a lot of other healthy, cancer protecting nutrients while (red) meat can increase the risk of cancer....

[@Jeffs60]

@@miracoli16 In USA alone 1 billion pounds of pesticides kill 3.5 quadrillion insects on crops for plant foods for humans, 30 million cattle killed for food. 235 million pounds of pesticides go to crops that feed those factory farmed animals. Humans don't like living and dead bugs on their food but animals don't care and the bugs are good for them to eat so less pesticides are needed for food grown for animals compared to human food. 1 billion is more than 235 million.

[@justwhistlinpixie]

I try not to bad mouth lab meat because any meat eater who would switch to it is reducing harm.

[@BethShearon]

There is no way I have any desire to even try lab grown flesh but I'm happy it's there if people will choose that over animals ❤ Yes it's still unhealthy AF but if they're going to eat it anyway yes go for lab grown and save me from another pandemic!

[@semiprolific774]

Do you think the Covid pandemic was caused by someone eating an animal?

[@tmcd4840]

Notice how much healthier he looked after swallowing that bug.

[@extropiantranshuman]

🤣

[@normanbell-br7nf]

must have been a chunk of frog -- he had a croak in his voice

[@randolphmoulton1090]

Great program. Please list Dr KATZ”s wife’s recipe site

[@leftyfourguns]

If lab grown meat is the exact same as real meat, then it’s still equally as unhealthy for humans. Full of saturated fat and IGF-1 and heme iron and all sorts of other things that promote cancer growth, obesity, diabetes, heart disease, kidney disease etc. I’m still actually excited to see what happens with it, because lab grown meat is good news for my cats. But humans don’t need any of that.

[@hankhardisty9433]

My cat hates what I eat. He’d love the lab produced stuff.

[@TheRealJackMahoffer]

Whenever I hear that you need meat to get all your amino acids or protein, I ask, "Have you ever been on a farm? What are they feeding the cows? Are they feeding them hamburgers?" As for plant based burgers and such, you really have to do your research. Beyond and Impossible are the names most people know, but they're not the healthiest options. There are other, smaller, companies making much more healthier plant based meats.

[@KayDee1937]

humans are not cows, cows have multiple stomachs for a reason, humans have one. perfect to fuel my carnivore body!

[@annegaskell]

Well that's about the dumbest argument ever ...cows are ruminant animals. We are not.

[@annegaskell]

​@@KayDee1937same. Carnivore. 🙌😊💥🐄🐄🐄🐄

[@Rmirabil1]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@annelewis7435]

I looked up his wife’s burgers and there were a few that came up with turkey? Are they not plant based?

[@Patrick_Ross]

Unfortunately, not all of her recipes are vegan.

[@karenbudnick]

The protein craze has become another way to make money.

[@RichS.73yroldbodybuilder]

What’s next eating placenta?💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼

[@temporaryname8905]

You know when I was losing weight eating 120 protein (vegan supplement) and 1,200 calories a day of French Bread my muscles were absolutely phenomenal. This was 300-270. Then I got it in my head that I needed more protein and low/no carbs. When I bumped it to 120-150 protein every day and cut out carbs my muscles are going away so quickly I'm seriously considering going from my current 242 back to 270 just to regain some of that muscle. :( Like imagine if you put on 4 wet-suits the kinds divers use and how much more "bulk" you would seem to have on upper body. Imagine it was all muscle.. that's what I lost about 1/2 inch to 3/4 inch muscle on upper body. Sure I lost some fat too but honestly I looked better back at 270 imo.

[@lisabarnetson1362]

Really seems like "frankenmeat" to me. And I am gluten intolerant and basically avoid gluten-free bread. The newest generation seems like "real" bread. And if I eat it 2 or 3 days in a row, next thing I know I am eating regular bread. Perhaps the same with frankenmeat? Just my 2 cents.

[@bobberdown7647]

The never-ending industry...

[@KayDee1937]

how many animals die to produce the acres and acres of crops to feed a populations?

[@MindVersusMisery]

Most crops are fed to animals, to fatten them up and then slaughter them. So veganism still comes out on top if reducing death of animals is your aim.

[@WDWmommy]

I'm having trouble with sound on this video, maybe it's just me?

[@rachelmcgill8143]

Me too!

[@xperience-evolution]

18 minutes in and I don't. But I constantly have a squeak - like a rusty chair moving around.

[@gymu13]

Around 34 mins the audio and video started repeating and skipping

[@thomasjohnlynch]

34 to 36 I experienced it also.

[@ritat1]

No issue for me - very clear!

[@annamurtaugh3435]

I prefer a sweet potato or bean burger over the fake meat.

[@extropiantranshuman]

I like veggie partties the most where you eat the rainbow!!! I call them patties - because burger has meat connotations.

[@JARABACOA3]

Fake is fake.

[@extropiantranshuman]

@@JARABACOA3 agreed - real is real

[@kriswalker3275]

I think you're splitting hairs a bit on this because if you listen to the other doctor carefully when he said plants he said all plants and went into the details to have legumes, grains, fruit and veg.. this discussion kind of eludes to him not knowing that when he did.

[@vimalkirti4845]

- Shintani - 35% wholegrains, 35% veg, 15% beans, 15% fruits ?

[@Alan-71351]

Well said Sis!

[@extropiantranshuman]

what on earth is with this polarizing comments section?

[@ljsc1265]

I'll pass on the lab grown meat. What else is being replicated. 😮

[@extropiantranshuman]

I agree - how many livestock do we need for it to be a success? It's just a byproduct of the livestock industry. How many times should vegans support the livestock industry anyway and call ourselves vegan still? It's hypocrisy of the finest form.

[@jacquelinearcher1158]

Eat seasonally….then enjoy new fruits like strawberries when in season…instead of having bland imported stuff all year now

[@tmcd4840]

"Beyond meat" will quickly caul the human race. Brilliant!

[@brendismuke8149]

? If my coronary arteries are clean does that mean my brain arteries are likely to be clean?

[@archaurore3323]

I know I am a bit late, but I have seen this over and over again from plant-based diet afficiandos. What do you do when you have a digestive problem like IBS and so on? Many plant-based foods are triggers. Just look at legumes, nightshades, cabbage-like vegetables, many raw versions of vegetables, cereals and so on. As far as I know, red meat, which is much vilified anymore, is not a trigger. Also when you have these issues, you have the nasty side effect of not being able to absorb many of the not-so assimilable plant versions of minerals like iron and vitamin A. So you end up deficient in those and not able to gain benefit from supplements because they tend to have the same issues as the plant-based nutrients. I personally feel like we were not meant to be exclusively plant-based either, otherwise we would have a very different kind of gut. Granted, I am not a specialist, but it's common sense we were supposed to get our nutrients from many different sources including animals.

[@tmcd4840]

Plant food evolutionary is a back-up not a staple. plus some of them are highly mind altering - which sometimes can be fun.

[@joshwong800]

Even if we are not used to eating flesh or it disgusts us after making the ethical connection to animal rights and we have the option to support cultured meat to help the adoption of the product to reduce rights violations of animals, I think its a moral good to show the world we would eat it or at the very least support the eating of it. 🙂

[@extropiantranshuman]

I disagree - if you're perpetuating the normalization of eating animals - it's not really an improvement.

[@RichS.73yroldbodybuilder]

The meat thats made in the laboratory they take the cells from an animal and then grow it from there. People say well that’s not killing the animal that makes it all right. Would you take cells from a baby and grow baby meat and then eat it and that would make it all right. You are still making a process where an animal is being eaten no matter how you get the product and still is using animals.💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻

[@extropiantranshuman]

@@RichS.73yroldbodybuilder I don't think that's a good analogy - because I bet some people would do that - because meat is meat in the end! Actually cultured meat supports the idea of cannibalism. The issue is that you have to raise the livestock if you culture the cells - so how many livestock need to be around and taken from before you get something viable? It reminds me of the neuralink experiments along with others.

[@joshwong800]

@@extropiantranshuman If no one's rights are being violated then what would be the issue?

[@joshwong800]

@@RichS.73yroldbodybuilder I wouldn't have an ethical problem with it no, doesn't mean I would do it.

[@karlhungus5554]

I'm surprised to hear someone as educated as Dr. Katz repeating some of the common folklore about Ancel Keys.

[@tmcd4840]

oops - one more point. speaking of culling; if we cull al the cows and other meat Bering animals most of the toxic plants people love to eat will vanish.

[@extropiantranshuman]

not sure what you're trying to say.

[@tmcd4840]

@@extropiantranshuman it's called symbiosis- look it up.

[@Meathead-10810]

When you talk about plant proteins not being for personal health, I agree 100%, I tried for 2 years. Now I get all my protein from animal foods only and my health is way better than it was when eating plants only or when eating plants and meat.

[@extropiantranshuman]

just because plant proteins bothered your body - doesn't mean you take a step backwards to animal proteins, but instead look at what's wrong and see how to improve. Did you not look around as to what's ailing you to do better? I mean what was going on? There's plenty of allergenic plant proteins - maybe you had an allergy or sensitivity? Maybe you ate unhealthy plant foods? I get this channel generalizes, but don't let that get in your way!

[@davidhogg1216]

I don’t think you listened well. @ 10.00 on the message on optimal protein source from plants is very clear. The reference to Campbell and Gardner leaves no doubt.

[@extropiantranshuman]

certain plant proteins are very sickening - due to allergens - like soy, peanuts, tree nuts, and gluten. So if you avoid those and focus on hypoallergenic sources that don't trash the body - maybe you'd find more success. Just because the plants you ate didn't work for you - doesn't mean you go to meat - you instead look for the plant-based foods that do work! Why go backwards when you can move forward?

[@ilikeratsandmice]

WHY DID YOU SHOOT PEOPLE ?!?!?!?!

[@gerard6629]

. Your argument sounds sensible. However we don’t see the example you set forth by your horse in the wild. I don’t see the majority of vegans with stellar physiques. Most vegans I see are rather thin and frail. Also you mentioned how meat consumption causes inflammation. How do you explain my low H-CRP level even though I eat over three pounds of fatty meat a day and maintain lean muscular physique? This is not unique to me, many other only meat eaters experience similar results.

[@extropiantranshuman]

that is just one inflammatory marker. Have you looked at the other markers? Well you have lean muscles - because it sounds like you eat a lot of fat. If you eat a lot of fat and not as much protein - then the fat protects the protein in muscle - the muscle breaks down a lot less. Less protein circulating in the blood - fat gunks up everything. So same thing in the liver - if you have a fatty liver - then your liver can't really do its job. Have you checked to see if you have a fatty liver? All of this is guesswork - I don't think much about issues like these due to my test results being ok too. My doctors always told me my health is better than their patients combined and always ask my secrets and I do plant-based. What's your problem with it? I don't want lean muscles - I want muscle bulk - and the issue is that meat doesn't bulk muscles - it gives lean muscles! It's plants that bulk the musculature.

[@extropiantranshuman]

what is your guess? Are vegans getting high levels or something? Is every meat eater lke this - or just a few?

[@gerard6629]

@extropiantranshuman Don’t have a problem with plant based and don’t have any health issues. I Have a problem with people spouting things based on non science. People need to stop blaming meat for what ultra processed food is doing aka soda/juice and fries. Look up the ingredients in breakfast sausage and ask yourself why is sugar an ingredient. Sugar always gets off the hook as if it’s none issue, the problem is always blamed on the meat.

[@extropiantranshuman]

@@gerard6629 but the reason why people blame animal-based foods is for animal-specific issues - like cholesterol. Oil is bad too - many fats are. Of course sugar will be blamed on the meat - without it - there wouldn't be a maillard reaction - because sugars are stored in muscles in some way. These maillard reactions I heard have health issues. With plants - you can eat them raw - and with it being watered down and with fiber - it's much different of a story. I hope that makes sense. This is from my scientific knowledge. Yes I don't like when people tell others what to do when they have 0 medical expertise - even if it's plant-based, as they can be wrong! And they don't care if someone gets hurt - they only selfishly want their way - and that's severely unethical to care more about animals than people. We all deserve respect, no matter what.

[@reality_design]

😊

[@saliksayyar9793]

His characterization of Ancel Keyes is highly inaccurate . He is misleading , cutting fats is crucial down to 10% and it does not mean to add processed simple carbs. Whole plant based diet eschews sugar and processed foods and simple carbs. Ancel Keyes was not on a high fat diet.

[@polibm6510]

Katz was/is payed by sugar industry. Really good source of serious information. 🤣🤣🤣

[@Alan-71351]

Please to give proof grasshopper.

[@MindVersusMisery]

"If you're gonna exclude any food from your diet, start with the soda, because it's just empty calores and sugar." - David Katz So much for "being payed by the sugar industry"

[@polibm6510]

@@MindVersusMisery Maybe the check was late...

[@MindVersusMisery]

@@polibm6510 Everything I've heard him say is in line with scientific consensus, so the conflict of interest doesn't seem that apparant.

[@tmcd4840]

ok I'm done.

[@Teresa-pg7wb]

Beyond Meat is so loaded with fat and crap.

[@kailashyogi4314]

🤔👎

[@MariaRodriguez-gc9jk]

I was disappointed to see his wife is incorporating wheat, sugar, chicken , Turkey and other un healthy ingredientes.

[@tmcd4840]

For example - Brussel sprouts have 136 identified carcinogens. If you enjoy getting sick down the road, this would be a good start.

[@extropiantranshuman]

well what levels are they at? You're just telling us a half-truth. For all the carcinogens Brussels sprouts have - there's plenty of anti-carcinogenic compounds in it too. That's why you get an overall reduction of cancer eating them!

[@extropiantranshuman]

if you enjoy getting sick down the road - keep eating animals with their saturated fat and toxic proteins. So much better right?

[@leftyfourguns]

Brussels sprouts have one of the highest concentrations of Sulforaphane, which has been proven to protect your DNA and cells from damage, inhibit cancer and tumor growth, and reduce inflammation.

[@rjahn3000]

That is true, and Broccoli toxins are more toxic than the pesticides they come with.

[@user-fk8rb8ue5h]

Just another vegan apologist

[@naftalibendavid]

Anyone else having trouble reaching his wife’s website?

[@anncox4220]

Cuisinicity

[@144Donn]

It seems there are fish and poultry recipes...hmmm

[@AlphaLoveFree]

Is this the same Dr. David Katz who was a signatory on the "Great Barrington Declaration"? If so - yuck.

[@hayleevmealone]

This guy is a no from me.

[@j-sm4554]

Can you say why?

[@rogerscottcathey]

Silly.

[@extropiantranshuman]

what is?

[@b36s]

This guy is just manufacturing his own science, lol

[@StanDupp6371]

A lot of stuff he says is wrong. He said Ancel Keys lived to age 102 but it was 100, he forgot the USDA 10 years ago removed and debunked their ORAC food score database for antioxidants and phytochemicals in foods which mean nothing to the body, and he thinks there is new information on protein. There is nothing new under the sun ECC 1:9, and nothing new in protein information for the human body in over 2500 years. Just ask Confucius who had 12 good food rules 2500 years ago.

[@gribbler1695]

He thinks that today's fruit and veg come from nature. He is ignorant of how much they have been changed by us, in a relatively short time.

[@aejiongco]

How about Jordan Peterson, all he eats is meat, red meat. Dr. Katz is biased, he likes eating plants. I don't agree with him. I like Dr,. Hyman

[@lf7065]

Dr. Hyman is a fake. He gave a private speech at the home of one of my friends and he had no issues eating quite a few of her catered sandwiches. They were the typical grain and dairy based kind with several options of meats as well. It struck her as very odd that he consumed them after just having spoken about a healthy diet!!

[@kaylacarpenter272]

Doctor, you're wrong. Carbohydrates NEVER get stored as fat. There is an interaction between fat and carbohydrates. The body prefers burning carbohydrates as fuel before any other macro. This means any fat we recieve, gets stored instead of burned. The carbs are NOT metabolizing into fat, and it is VERY rare that carbohydrates metabolize into fat, unless someone has a metabolic disorder. This process is called Neolipogenesis. It is not biologically advantageous for a simple glucose molecule to be converted into a chain of fatty acids. It expends too much unnecessary energy, and the body will avoid it at all costs. Not all forms of caloric energy behave the same in the body, and not all macros are converted to fat. Carbs are never stored, lest in the form of glycogen in the tissues and liver for a negligible amount of time, is carbohydrate expenditure is too high. Protein also isn't stored, and is ultimately converted to glycogen and can aid in tumor growth in excess. Carbs will never turn into fat. Ever, ever, ever.

[@Mrm1985100]

I think this is generally true but from what I know if you massively overfeed people with carbs over time they do actually store carbs as fat.

[@sally8234]

Please provide scientific evidence that carbohydrates NEVER get stored as fat.

[@broddr]

“Never ever” is a little extreme. De novo lipogenesis is slow and wastes about 30% of the input calories during the conversion process. But when dietary fat is low and carbohydrate intake exceeds total energy expenditure, then de novo lipogenesis will occur in liver and adipose tissues. It’s also important to note that fructose and ethanol are lipogenic stimulators.

[@mistygirl3995]

I would prefer to receive my information from someone like this Dr. and not some commenter.

[@kaylacarpenter272]

@mistygirl3995 The reason I know these things is because I have a degree. Doctors also have the ability to be commentators and should be, when they see, or hear, incorrect information.

[@larrymaloney877]

How can it be that people trying KETO swear their cholesterol dropped drastically?