Pi and Phi Encoded in the Great Pyramid? | Myths Highlights

In this excerpt from "Great Pyramid Number Magic," Dr. M takes a look into the claim that the numbers Pi and Phi were encoded into the Great Pyramid of Giza as a message for future generations.
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[@WorldofAntiquity]

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[@Blitnock]

You need to check with a mathematician. Your claim that (paraphrased): "If they build the pyramid so that the height of the pyramid was such that it's square is equal to the area of each face, then the base would automatically come out to pi" is wrong. First of all, you don't define what you mean by "base". Do you mean the length of a side of the base, or the area of the base (the square of the side length). But it's worse than that. Without knowing any linear measure on the pyramid, any of the quantities can be scaled to _any value_. The only quantities that are invariant are ratios of length, or ratios of areas. What you claim is mathematical nonsense. But it's worse than that. Even if you fix some unit length on the pyramid, the base, however it's measured, will be an "algebraic number", that is, the root of a polynomial with rational coefficients, while pi is a transcendental number, as proved by Lindemann in 1882. (Transcendental numbers are defined as numbers (real or complex) which are not the root of any polynomial with rational coefficients. ) This theorem is historically significant because it proved that the ancient problem of "squaring the circle", as it was understood with straightedge and compass, cannot be solved. This theorem is even sometimes taught to undergrad math majors, and is given in an appendix, for example, in the old graduate text "Algebra" by S. Lang, 3rd ED. or later. You should have at least cited your sources for this claim. At least then you could blame it for this garbage! As it stands, it sounds like it is your claim! It makes you look like one of the crackpots you decry! Finally, since you don't know who I am, and I'm just some random internet troll as far as you know, you should run what I've said by any math professors that you know. You will be informed that it is correct. For your reputation's sake, you should put disclaimer text over that part of your video. It is, as the young people like to say, "cringe".

[@WorldofAntiquity]

@@Blitnock Your paraphrase misrepresented what I actually said. My words were: "If they built the pyramid so that the area of each face would equal the area of a square, the height of which was the height of the pyramid, the base would automatically come out to pi. And Herodotus tells us that the Egyptians told him that is exactly what they did." References were in the original video, from which this is an excerpt. But I have put the pertinent ones below this one for you to check out.

[@Blitnock]

@@WorldofAntiquity Thank you for your reply. There are 11 linked references under your video. To save me time, can you tell me which has the pi claim? Edit: I downloaded the references, except for the one which was a link to a project website. I skimmed through them and didn't see anything relating to the claim about the base being pi. Can you just answer the following questions: 1) What do you mean by "base"? Do you mean its length, or area, since the base is square in shape and length and area are the usual numbers used to measure squares. 2) Was this supposed calculation assuming the sides were planar triangles, or did it take into account the well-known fact that the faces of the great pyramid are actually concave, which some of your references discuss. Forgive me if these questions are answered in your full video; I have not watched it yet. Edit 2: My edit above resulted from me going to your travel video instead of the correct one. The whole thing is clear to me now. Taking Herodotus' word about the construction for granted, here is the situation: Height/Semiperimeter = 4/ square root(golden ratio). This is approximately 3.144605511, which is approximately pi. (You can check this with a calculator.) But pi does not equal 4/ square root(golden ratio). (The semiperimeter is half the perimeter, or the sum of the lengths of two sides.) In your debunking video (which I like), you correctly criticize all the cherry picking of numbers, bricks, etc.... The same criticism applies to this appearance of "pi" as well. Why divide the height by the sum of the length of two sides? Why not all four sides (the perimeter)? Why not three? Why not one?-- That's what most people would do! Finally, the fun fact that 4/sqrt(phi) is approximately pi is also a mathematical accident. As I said above, one number, pi, is transcendental, while the other is algebraic, which is why I originally pointed out that such a pyramid ratio couldn't be exactly pi. My issue with your video is that you say: "...the base would automatically come out to pi." This is wrong. It automatically comes out exactly to 4/sqrt(phi), which is close to, but not equal to pi. Also, you were unclear, it's the ratio of the height to the semiperimeter; it is not the "base". The "base" is a square (at least theoretically), a square is a geometric shape, not a number. So these are the problems with this part of your video: 1. You say pi, when you should say "an approximation to pi". That would be ok. The ratio is exactly 4/sqrt(phi). 2. You say base, when you should say the ratio of the height to the semiperimeter. Saying "base" is wrong and confusing. One is a shape; one is a number. 3. It would also be appropriate to point out the fact that the selection of this ratio is also an example of cherry picking. Why that particular ratio? There are many ratios one can pick from. In other words, to get pi out of the great pyramid, an arbitrary calculation is made and an approximation is found. It is meaningless.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

@@Blitnock Yes, it is an approximation of pi, but consider that the ancients did approximate it. I mentioned that formula, because it comes from Herodotus, and that is what the Egyptians told him. It is true, however, that Herodotus' formula works better for phi.

[@Blitnock]

In the Rhind Mathematical Papyrus the Egyptians approximated the area of a circle by dividing the diameter by nine, subtracting the result from the diameter, and finally squaring the result. If you equate this formula to the modern formula (pi r^2) and *use algebra*, then you find that their formula amounts to taking the value 256/81 for pi. But we have no evidence that the Egyptians did this, and they certainly didn't know modern algebra. I have not heard of the Egyptians having any value for pi. As far as I know, the first person to define pi was Archimedes. Note the Babylonians frequently computed the areas of circles by squaring the circumference and dividing the result by 12, avoiding working with the radius and diameter all together. The point is: pi apparently wasn't even defined until Archimedes and then you have to use algebra to deduce a value for pi from known Egyptian math. Then you have to cherry pick an arbitrary ratio in the pyramid to arrive at a *different approximation* for pi than the one implicit in their area formula. To say that pi is built into the pyramid is just plain silly. Why divide the height by half the perimeter, or equivalently, twice a side length? It makes no sense. If you were going to describe the overall proportions of the pyramid as a ratio, you would just take the ratio of height to side length, or use the reciprocal of this number. Of course, we have scant records of Egyptian mathematics. We even lack a record of their knowing the hypotenuse theorem. (The one incorrectly attributed to Pythagoras.) In fact, there isn't even a formula for the volume of a pyramid in surviving writings, although there is a formula for the volume of a truncated pyramid given in problem 14 of the Moscow Papyrus. Anyway, from all evidence, imposing pi on the pyramid is anachronistic and the part of your video that deals with pi doesn't get this across, nor the arbitrariness of the ratio selected. Finding pi this way in the pyramid is the same sort of crank numerology you are fighting against. That's the problem I have with this tiny part of your overall video, which I like very much! Concerning phi. If you assume Herodotus' claim about the construction design, then phi is built in in an even easier way: phi is the ratio of the distance from the top of the pyramid to the center point of a side divided by half a side length. This would, of course, be for an ideal pyramid. As you astutely point out, physical objects can only approximate idealized mathematical objects. Irrationality is a bit of a red herring. Find a physical object in the world that is *exactly* one meter long! It doesn't exist and the number 1 is pretty rational! My point is that if the great pyramid were built *exactly* as Herodotus said, then phi would be baked into the design, or at least, phi/2 would be; dividing by half a side length seems a bit odd.

[@TheLeppus28]

So UFO came to the Earth and all the knowledge they left to the ancient Egyptians was Pi, Golden Ratio and how to stack a lot of stone blocks together? Imagine the disappointment when they told them they are not leaving behind nuclear reactor, electric engine and books on quantum physics.

[@Chris.Davies]

How about giving them something useful? Like the knowledge required to smelt steel? Or a way to create glass, and lenses, from desert sand? The things you mention would be utterly useless to ancient people, who knew nothing of electricity, or nuclear physics, and did not even have microscopes, so they were entirely unaware of the presence of the microscopic world. I know you are trying to be facetious - but it didn't really work.

[@waynerobertson511]

Even their Pi was a bit crappy. Can't do good Particle Physics with that. No wonder their spaceships keep crashing everywhere.

[@Ancient_Nukes]

We didn't need aliens

[@KaitlynBurnellMath]

Honestly, what the Egyptians had (if they had anything) was the ratio of 11 to 7. The big freak out about the great pyramid, well they used an 11:7 ratio, 11 for the sides, 7 for the height (or to be precise 440 cubits by 280 cubits is what the Egyptians wrote. Modern day measurements of the pyramid do not give these numbers because erosion has happened. So all the speculation is based on what the Egyptians wrote about the dimensions at the time of construction). Can you do approximations with the ratio of 11:7? You sure can, 3 + 1/7 is a well known approximation of pi, for example. It's not pi, but it's a pretty good approximation of pi, which makes 11/7 a pretty good approximation of pi/2. And 4*(7/11)^2 is a pretty good approximation of the golden ratio. It's not the golden ratio, but it's a pretty good approximation of it. But you don't need a supernatural explanation to use the ratio of 11:7. 11 and 7 are small numbers, and they happened to use this ratio in the construction of one pyramid. The Egyptians also used other ratios for other pyramids too, usually also small numbers like 8:5.

[@vallejomach6721]

@@waynerobertson511 'spaceships keep crashing everywhere.' - But mostly the US.

[@spankflaps1365]

The ancients knew all about pie, pasty, quiche, and kebab.

[@bogieviews]

And beer, yay.

[@Kivas_Fajo]

@@bogieviews and bread

[@DavidCommini]

Don't forget spanakopita and baklava

[@Kivas_Fajo]

@@DavidCommini spanakopita, so in other words: Burek.

[@DavidCommini]

@@Kivas_Fajo they're basically the same thing

[@johnheckles8239]

The Fibonacci sequence is found throughout the world.. in both man made objects and in nature.. It doesn’t mean Fibonacci was the sole designer of all of these things 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

I highly recommend Joe Scott's video on the golden ratio. It really demonstrates that the golden ratio isn't particularly special and is often read into things where it doesn't need to be

[@Demane69]

Because it's a product of nature.

[@AlbertaGeek]

Good stuff, Doc. Finding pi and phi in ancient structures has become its own form of pareidolia.

[@GreatPyramidPump]

Well said!!!!

[@Jon6429]

Pick an object any object and a numerologist will find PI encoded

[@theseusblackwell5252]

Like Pi, some beliefs are just plain irrational.

[@AlbertaGeek]

[rimshot]

[@meretofabydos3645]

👍👏👏👏❤️

[@SobekLOTFC]

"Don't confuse my fantasy reconstruction with facts, Dr Miano" 😂 Keep up the amazing job! 😊

[@matth9554]

Thank you for fighting the good fight - watching your breakdowns of such content saves me a lot of pain :)

[@shlomid6559]

Just a quick fix = digits going to infinity isnt sufficient for a irrational number, they also need to lack any repeated patterns (as opposed to say 1/3=0.333333....)

[@luna-hw9li]

also, technically: the pyramids have lost quite a few stones over the millennia, so any numbers games should be seen as more of an approximation.

[@backalleycqc4790]

"Aliens told the Egyptians how to build the pyrimids. Let me show you..." [some nonsensical mathematical calculations] "See?"

[@GreatPyramidPump]

Pi is encoded in my lawn mower and my bicycle! Shazam!

[@MrKangdon]

Got a circle, disc or sphere? You got pi! Got a harmonic oscillator? You got pi!

[@RockinRobbins13]

Yay! A short video that isn't a short. Putting portrait aspect videos on my widescreen computer is just silly, and I hate shorts for that reason. Thank you for making a video to fit the device I use, and even on my cell phone I prefer to watch landscape orientation videos.

[@kasturipillay6626]

Thanks Dr. MIANO , always amazing and rational content.😊

[@islandmonusvi]

The Golden Ratio is a proportional relationship between contiguous parts via an iterative process. Pi is a scalable relationship between radius and circumference. If there’s one takeaway from the Great Pyramid, it is the Egyptians megalomaniacal dedication to proportionality and scalability. A simple geometric shape scaled up and constructed from millions of massive self-similar fractals. The final product tightly wrapped in an envelope of bright white Cara Limestone with precisely aligned edges and faces. Resting Level&Plumb on a masterfully calculated Pi and engineered Phi Basaltic rock base. All while considering the need to maintain the mathematical integrity of the entire assemblage during fabrication as well as for the extent of the astronomical precessional AfterLife. A navigation beacon was required. The half-octa piezo-electric pyramid would resonate through SpaceTime sufficiently long to allow the return of the Pharaoh after his extensive voyage navigating the Duat we call the Galactic Center. So far everything appears to be going according to plan.

[@MeltedCheesefondueGruyere]

Hey there! Great video, I really enjoy using these debunkings to learn more about the past 🙂 But here I think you exchanged pi and phi in the "the area of each face would equal the area of a square the height of which was the height of the pyramid"; this process will generate phi, not pi. Proof follows (non-mathematically inclined, feel free to skip): One of the definitions of phi is that (1/phi) + 1 = phi. Multiplying by phi and rearranging gives the equation 0 = phi*phi - phi -1. The number phi is one of the solutions to the equation 0 = x*x - x -1 (the other solution is -1/phi). Now, since this is all about ratios, we can choose any units to measure the pyramid; let's choose units so that the base of the pyramid is 2. Then we want a height h so that h*h (area of the square) is the same as the area of the face. The face has a base of length 2, and the length from that base to the apex of the pyramid is the square root of (1+h*h) (Pythagoras). Triangle area is base times that length over 2, so total area is sqrt(1+h*h). We want this to be equal to h*h. Squaring on both sides gives the equality: 1+h*h = (h*h)*(h*h). Rearranging gives 0 = (h*h)*(h*h) - h*h -1. Therefore h*h=phi.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Yes, the formula works much better for phi. Thank you for sharing! As I understand it, Herodotus' method will result in 3.145, which is close to pi, although not exact.

[@russellmillar7132]

Great short vid Dr. M!! Seems you and Sacred Geometry Decoded might differ on this topic. However, this is where I fall off the cognitive cliff. Explanations that involve maths always make my eyes glaze over.

[@stripeytawney822]

Try geometry. That is the 'picture' that goes with math. See if you can start with basic geometry 'stuff' and see the relationships without numbers. Area of a rectangle is bxh. Base times height. Look at a tiled floor.... use the squares as units- no numbers. Don't laugh- some of mankind's best work has been done while sitting on the can in a tiled room!! If the base is 5, and the height is 6.... you can SEE the area is 30, right? Now do a triangle. 1/2bxh... See how no matter what triangle it only takes half the rectangle you frame it in? If you learn the classic stuff the classic way, you don't really need numbers. Learn where the formulas for the shapes come from and how to derive them.

[@LoudWaffle]

Dang, was especting a longer video because I love your content. It's always disappointing how easy the components of these conspiracy theories are to disprove individually. 😅

[@elberethreviewer5558]

I'm so tired of people acting like people thousands of years ago were idiots who couldn't do math, make tools, or have complex cities. I'd rather assume they were smart than stupid.

[@varyolla435]

They were less "technological" compared to us today of course = yet they remained humans the same as us. Accordingly they were endowed with the same capacity for learning and "pattern recognition" which is at the root of our learning process. A toddler touches a sharp object and gets "an owie" to not touch the same going forward = pattern recognition leading to learning. it is inherent to the human condition. Yet to be able to claim some fantastical narrative like a supposed "lost" technology demands you first mischaracterize those for whom it might apply as being = unable to grasp/use it....... Only then have established the false characterization can you "fill in the blank" with your assumptive "answers". If you want to get people to believe something outside of the norm you must first = break their link to that norm upon which they base their understanding. Moral: the Egyptian civilization existed for 3 millennia. They had a governmental structure + an organized religion + taxation + trade interaction with others + they engaged in science + maintained professional castes of craftsmen on the State et tal's dime + engaged in public works projects + geoengineered their environment via the creation of canals and harbors etc. and so on..... = yet they were supposedly "primitive" according to the "alternative" twits..... 🤦🤷

[@twonumber22]

"do you like pie" - Alien Rock Johnson

[@N.Eismann]

The ratio of the volumes of earth and sun is in direct relation with the length of the great pyramid's base (error: 0,03%). There are multiple of such relations which determine the pyramid's base values. But I don't want to bore you with Numbers, we here for The Science ;)

[@2lefThumbs]

I love that "the golden ratio" is irrational, so can't be a ratio😂

[@johnfoster6412]

Technically it's a ratio that can't be expressed as a rational number, that is as a ratio of whole numbers. All numbers that do this are irrational. Phi is merely irrational, whereas pi is actually trancendental!

[@clwho4652]

A person can find get pretty close to pi with a circle and a string. Wrap the string around the circle, mark where the end meets the string. Measure the diameter of the circle relative to the length of circumference of the circle, find its a little over 3. With a little more work one can get it down to 3 and 3/20, which is pretty close to pi and would work for what ancient people needed it for. These people are just bad at math and because they think if they can't understand it ancient people couldn't understand it so they assume ancient people were bad at math. It has been repeatedly shown that ancient people were really good at math.

[@brendawilliams8062]

Even if 7 squared times 8 squared is a cylinder

[@tma2001]

I surprised the Ancient Egyptians didn't quickly hit on 3 + 1/7 from just trial and error like you described - I seem to recall they limited themselves to fractions with unit numerators i.e. 1/2, 1/3, ... etc using tables of reciprocals. 22/7 is a really good approximation of pi for practical purposes as I remember from my school days.

[@brendawilliams8062]

@@tma2001 yeah, I just recently learned that. Later than others. It’s close to 31446 in a way divided by 1000564116. Some of us just like decimals

[@GreatPyramidPump]

Pi is encoded in my bicycle and my lawnmower! Shazam! It is profound!!

[@Luciddreamer007]

Oh you broke it down ! Splendid

[@chriscasperson5927]

The very next video suggested for me by the almighty algorithm is "Ancient civilizations found under the ice in Antarctica." Thanks for fighting against Brandolini's Law, Dr. Miano

[@groomporter9714]

That brings up a question... How thick was the white limestone casing that used to cover it and would it have altered, or further thrown off measurement claims like this?

[@WorldofAntiquity]

There is much estimation involved.

[@someoneoutthere1866]

Great video!

[@somnambulist7705]

Now i want some pie

[@tnekkc]

Back in the 1960's we school kids were taught the Egyptians used 22/7 = 3.1429 as opposed to a more accurate 3.141592654 modern approximation.

[@johnfoster6412]

phi, like pi, comes about from simple design decisions. anything that actually looks a bit like x - a = a / x has a phi hidden within it. This can happen with rooms with sloping ceilings for example.

[@m.junaidmahmood4209]

The more and more videos I see on this channel about the people of the past, I have come to a realization (that can be wrong) and its that antient people knew their stuff and they might not call certain things what we call them now. Their stuff which they did was based on the needs of that time and humans being humans adopted and learned to fulfil a certain task of that time. The only thing is that we in this age and time can only conclude based on the evidence from the writings that we can decode or observe what ruins they have left behind.

[@bsjeffrey]

every truly great ancient civilzation knew the value of a great pie.

[@tomspencer1364]

The True Believer is impervious to mere logic and evidence. Still worth a try though, and it might annoy them.

[@meretofabydos3645]

It’s ot for the “true believers”, it’s fir people, who got interested, looking for answer- provide them with reliable information, not to fall for that nonsense 😂

[@catman8965]

I often tell people it's not just the number on the pyramid that's important, it's the proof of CONCEPT. What is PI? What is the golden ratio? etc.

[@MrGksarathy]

I personally think Aizen was aware of how the Schatten Bereich worked, given that he claimed that he learned about Ywach himself during his own time in the shadows. Maybe in the course of establishing shadow labs across Seireitei, Aizen, Gin, and Tōsen may have stumbled across the Wandenreich city? Also, Ywach's miscalculation with Aizen shows his biggest flaw, and that is that he struggles to read peoples' actions and motives that run counter to his preconceived ideas about them. He projects a lot of his own biases onto other people, and it especially shows here since he assumed Aizen was much like himself and missed thr crucial difference between them.

[@edgarsnake2857]

And that is that. Thanks, Doc.

[@yaldabaoth2]

Just wait for them to counter this by saying pi is a greek letter and therefore couldn't be known to the egyptians.

[@jim_herd]

I’m looking forward to your thorough debunking of the entire contents of Hamlet’s Mill.

[@wetcanoedogs]

i have that on a nearby book shelf.it's like it was written so dense as too make it impossible work out on purpose. there is an audiobook on youtube i found.maybe that will help.

[@jim_herd]

@@wetcanoedogs It definitely requires most people several readings to get anywhere with it. It renders claims that the Ancient Egyptians accidentally used Pi and Phi pretty laughable though. Their mathematical abilities were highly sophisticated.

[@ironcladranchandforge7292]

It seems more likely to me that the Egyptian architect picked a dimensional length for the base of each side and...... Stacked rocks. Oh sure, more planning was involved. But, perhaps not as complicated as we believe.

[@kuklama0706]

When the pyramid was half-built, was it already a pyramid or was it like a trapezia? Was the pyramid built in flat horizontal or pyramidal layers?

[@paulannable3734]

No, they started at the top and worked their way down

[@Oriol-oo7jl]

Dude! I also had this same thought! Wouldn't it be cool that the piramid were built from a small piramid and then make it bigger and bigger! But i started to think and maybe if it was just a bunch of rocks put alltogether it could be possible, but keep in mind all the tunnels and ceilings and traps and stuff wich would make it very difficult. So i guess it's just easier to make it from bottom to top, and keep gravity as an ally, and not an enemy (in my opinion)

[@TT3TT3]

Thanks🎉

[@Chris.Davies]

I love the way LAHT people think that bad mathematics, and imprecise measurements inform them about details of Lost Ancient High Technology.

[@scoobysnax9787]

What happens if the Egyptians didn't round Phi down, & they were exact (with the help of their flying saucer friends) does that mean the Pyramids will go on forever?

[@annepoitrineau5650]

since Pi is an approximation, why would the Egyptians not have discovered it??? Same applies to Phi.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

The same principle applies. If a number that is found is only approximately Pi, we cannot be sure it is Pi unless they tell us so.

[@annepoitrineau5650]

of course :)@@WorldofAntiquity

[@mattclements1348]

😄 ty for this 👍

[@karldubhe8619]

In the longer video did the scammers also talk about aliens, perhaps? 👽

[@paulchrystie5460]

Don't tell Mr hair gel... shhh.

[@Sharlenwar]

This like debunks a bulk of pseudoscience out there.

[@Desertphile]

Egyptians were "not supposed to know." Good gods that's hilarious.

[@scottowens1535]

But, but...But they said. And it was really convincing. A really smart person could make a convincing argument that your mother-in-law came back in time from the planet of the apes and you might agree but that doesn't make it true though that in itself brings up new questions. Anyways I understand. I'm in a different profession but when someone's speaking in my wheelhouse it's really easy to know the truth of their word's. Likewise it's hard to know if you have no fundamental understanding of the subject wether it's a valid question much less the actual answer.

[@-OICU812-]

"Hey man, you know aliens built those pyramids man. if... if you count all those blocks man, like you are going to hit a number that is the same as the speed of light man. Like all the way to Orion man." "Huf, huff puff, I don't know man. Thats a lot of blocks man." "Let's get Dave man. He'll count all of those blocks no matter how high it goes man." "Sure I'll call Dave man". "Dave's not here man." " No, I said I'll call Dave man, so he can count the blocks man." (...) "Dave's not here man."

[@jharrison3786]

Thank you for the sanity.

[@thorthorsen1259]

8/5 is a very close approximation of phi. Obviously that can't be a a coincidence because in the real world nobody ever uses the numbers 8 and 5.

[@nilkilnilkil]

So there

[@gaiusmitsius]

Well... This video was over on pi and fi... Any Greek brothers here?

[@SpartanHugs]

Here for the algorithm and Dr Miano is a beautiful man. Please clean shave one more time.

[@PRH123]

I found Pi in my refrigerator:)

[@Kivas_Fajo]

Pi is in everything.

[@ninthheretic2498]

so is phi

[@matejmacek5784]

There are more \pi in a piramide. Each corner of the base is \pi/2 radians. And the volume of piramide is exactly 0,33333' height times area of the base. How did the Egyptians know this equation so precise. The mind boggling this is that it is fact not a square piramide but rather 8 sided piramide. And this fact is known from Napoleon onwards.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

You can’t make such claims, because the pyramid cannot be measured precisely.

[@nanceeM1313]

👌❤

[@Book-bz8ns]

I thought we already knew this. But then i suppose with the Amciemt Aliems crew this needs to be reiterated. Btw, "Amciemt Aliems" is a hilarious ytp. Look it up.

[@ralphyetmore]

Insert hacky baked goods comment here.

[@varyolla435]

Yes. The "Golden Ratio" exists in Nature. So does "Nature" purposely create based upon it - OR - is the calculation of the ratio simply represent = something someone eventually noticed along the way to create a formula to express it....... - think about it. So as alluded to yes these mathematical constructs can in fact be present for no other reason than the Egyptians were building based upon = what worked..... Having tried various angle of ascent pyramids they finally found one which worked vis a vis structural stability and based upon anticipated size = "evened out" the dimensions to make it look "balanced" - which later mathematicians stumbled upon to ascribe Pi and "Golden Ratio" to. Moral: to presuppose the Egyptians purposely employed these constructs demands evidence to show awareness of them + a desire to use them - meaning you see them used in other things as well. Absent that evidence ascribing to ancient things what are recognized as later concepts is the equivalent of _"Monday morning quarterbacking"_ to use a sports metaphor. People = *AFTER THE FACT* ascribing things to something and assuming that is what the creators wanted in order to portray it as fantastical in nature. In mathematics such assumptions yield: _"statistical fallacies"_ Enjoy your day folks.

[@robryan9841]

🥧 mmmm pie 😋

[@lostboy8084]

😢 You are ruining all my Ancient Aliens shows on History Channel 😂

[@majorfeelgoodrecords2740]

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[@GenghisVern]

the Egyptians certainly didn't use decimals, did they?

[@BillGreenAZ]

So approximating pi is valid, but approximating the golden ratio is not?

[@WorldofAntiquity]

No, the point was that we KNOW they are calculating pi, because they tell us. But we don’t know they are calculating phi, so the only way to tell is if it is exact. Otherwise it’s just a guess.

[@brianedwards7142]

Ugh! Clay maths books! I suppose that makes it slightly harder to write graffiti in the margin.

[@rtlgrmpf]

"I have a truly marvelous demonstration of this proposition which this margin is already too tried up to write it down."

[@bennybobbieboogie]

ancient kemet and the pyramids are older than Babylonia...

[@Ong.s_Jukebox]

Wasn't there an egyptian mathematician who was tasked to plan how to build a pyramid? Wasn't he then be worshipped as a god?

[@Leeside999]

Imhotep.

[@ninthheretic2498]

if i am not mistaken; it is Ptah who was considered the god of architecture; Ptah the creator; Ptah the builder?

[@ninthheretic2498]

Scholars think his father was an architect; though he is also believed to be born a commoner. Somehow i see a contradiction in this. I can't remember what source it was; but i am sure i read that some believe his roots to be outside of Egypt. For now; that would be a guessing game. Fact is; later he was considered a demi-god. Interesting figure for sure.@@Leeside999

[@Kinetic-Energy117]

Wait! Before the Egyptians, Babylon understood PI? There were Babylonians in 3000 bce, when Rhind Papyrus was produced? They understood PI, and nothing to show of it's mastery, not a single surviving building structure standing today, they didnt have a 365 1/4th solar calender, lack of an alphabet, Doc why include them? In 3000 BCE, when Egypt was building pyramids, using and teaching PI in Egypt, everyone else was knuckle dragging

[@WorldofAntiquity]

For clarification, are you arguing that their writings are forgeries? Or are you saying they knew pi, but you don’t think pi counts except in buildings?

[@johnfoster6412]

Way prior to 3000BC the Sumerians had divided the circle into 360 degrees, with minutes and seconds as subdivisions. They then applied this to the sky and divided the day into 24 hours of 60 minutes, seconds etc. Sumerian observatories which have been found by archeologists are circular. There are tables of chords of a circle found in sumerian cunieform. Chords are essentially double the cosine of half the angle subtended by the chord, so they also had trigonometry. I can't recall personally any direct reference to pi, but you can check Klien's History of Mathematics to find out. As a maths nerd, it's hard to believe they had trigonometry without pi.

[@Kinetic-Energy117]

Can we have a live interactive class on youtube? I can't type these answers with sources and all it's excessive.

[@Deipnosophist_the_Gastronomer]

The ancient Egyptians did know about these numbers. Pee ... the volume of urine produced by one man, moving a pyramid block from the quarry to the building site. Fee ... the cost of supplying that man with enough beer to produce that amount of urine. 😜

[@nzory-sh2yp]

I’m wait you visit iraq I’m live in marshes of iraq Sumerian civilization 🌾👋🏻

[@francinemorris4622]

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[@seanwhelan879]

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤝🇮🇪 dam 😂😂😂

[@thealan8998]

The Egyptians had a formula for working out the area of a circle before they invented the wheel?

[@Eyes_Open]

Knowing about circles and choosing not to use wheels for transportation are different topics.

[@thealan8998]

@@Eyes_Open yes but coming up with the formula to work out one’s area before realising it could be used to roll one of the 2.5 million blocks seems a bit loco

[@WorldofAntiquity]

They had the wheel. You are thinking wagon wheels are the only kind of wheel.

[@thealan8998]

@@WorldofAntiquity I’m more at peace now knowing people realise they had a form of wheel (circle block). Top channel btw, I like seeing the other side of the coin 🫡

[@loke6664]

I don't really see the big deal here? The golden ration looks better to people so I don't think it is strange ancient people used it. The Egyptians had to have some math or they wouldn't been able to make great feats of engineering, like the pyramids for instance. You don't just staple rocks in a pile until you have a pyramid, at least if you don't just want a huge pile of rock. What would old William of Ockham and his razor theory say about this anyways? Either the Egyptians knew some basic math or aliens built the pyramids... Which one is likeliest? These ancient aliens theorist are annoying me, their whole theory is built around ancient people being total idiots who had aliens building anything impressive. These people had the same brain capacity as we have. Take Heron of Alexandria for instance, among other thing did he invent the steamball as well as an automatic door opener for a temple (yeah, it used water pressure and took a couple of hours to open, but it was still impressive). Either aliens gave him all this technology or he was a genius. I am 100% in for genius, there have always been some really smart humans as well as some really stupid (If I was mean I would say something about the latter people tending to love History channel but I wont since that wouldn't be very nice of me).

[@3ombieautopilot]

Nice try, World Of Antiquity, nice try ;)

[@mrdaft3272]

I find it interesting that you quote Herodotus in this video, even though he is known to be the "Father of Lies" and yet you discount Solon as a liar in other videos. Very interesting double-standard for who is a liar and who is not. I have said it before on this channel that there is truth within all the ancient writings, so we should not discount anyone, but we should also not take them at face value. Herodotus was known for telling tall tales and myths. Solon was known as one of the seven sages. Weird double standard Just sayin'

[@WorldofAntiquity]

If you familiarize yourself with the historical method, you will see how documents are assessed by historians. This video will help: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYu8f39mYrB7eZY

[@varyolla435]

"Father of lies" = you mean among those who also today attack academia because what they speak to based upon the evidence upsets their poor assumptions........... In the real world however much of what Herodotus wrote has borne out via corroborative evidence. So did Herodotus get everything right - of course not. Ancient historians often related what others told them. Subsequently some things are clearly viewed as mythological relatings whereas others have been subsequently corroborated by other evidence. Those things he did get right = are what historians accept as factual. Accordingly Herodotus' track record is not too bad after all.

[@mrdaft3272]

@@varyolla435 he was called that by people from that era, not now. Stop trying to pick fights that don’t exist. All I did was point out a double standard for choosing who to believe and who was considered a liar. So go away straw man troll.

[@varyolla435]

@@mrdaft3272 Your rebuttal only made your point less tenable....... So things Herodotus wrote about = were subsequently shown to be accurate. Meanwhile there are people today - such as yourself coincidentally - who continue to 🦜the characterization. The reason as already outlined is most often what he wrote undermines their assumed beliefs vis a vis history. Thus your argument just collapsed. p.s. - work on your reading skills. Did I say everything he wrote was accurate - nope. Did I say academics accept the same - nope. What I said was = they accept what was shown to be accurate to dismiss what is not. Your "characterizations" vis a vis validity as to his writings and a supposed double standard therefore represent meaningless conjecture of a subjective nature.

[@mrdaft3272]

@@varyolla435 you and I have butted heads on here before, I just don’t feel like dealing with you when the point I made was about double standards of who is a liar. You are now trying to take it off into another area. My statement stands as true as I said it, interesting double standard considering that Solon was one of only four names to make it to every version on the seven great sages. So much so that even Herodotus also wrote about him. My statement stands true, it is not really a debatable thing. It is a double standard to fit a narrative. I don’t care either way if one or both were liars, and I as sure as heck don’t care what you, the troll, think.

[@bennycarter5249]

Another buttery-voiced debunking. Succint.

[@richardzahumensky5253]

They got it from the Indians same as the Greeks .

[@ninthheretic2498]

very plausible

[@josephhargrove4319]

Did you know that there are 1.61 kilometers per mile? So it looks like the authors of the metric system secretly baked 𝜑 into it to confound the user's of traditional measures. If you calculate the ratios between any two values in a large enough collection of numeric values you will find approximations of 𝜋, e, and 𝜑 scattered throughout the results, proving nothing. richard -- If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. - Anatole France

[@peteduch2151]

Its 1.64 kilometer to the mile

[@ninthheretic2498]

1.609344 according to my lap-top's calculator.@@peteduch2151

[@brendawilliams8062]

My street no. Is 111328. Meters lives down the road

[@josephhargrove4319]

I don't know what your source of information is but it's wrong. 2.54 cm/in *12 = 30.48 cm/ft *5280 = 160934.4 cm/mi ÷ 100 = 1609.344 m/mi ÷ 1000 = 1.609344 km/mi @@peteduch2151