Picard's apology

[@Blisterdude123]

The irony is, Worf was taking a braver stance, arguably, by urging evacuation. It showed how far he'd come, from being a hotheaded Klingon, to placing more value on the lives and wellbeing of the crew than on a giant hunk of space metal. He was fighting his own warrior upbringing, and his captain, in an attempt to preserve the lives of his shipmates.

[@shaunhumphreys6714]

worf learnt so much. but he learnt all of it really on deep space nine under captain sisko. that's when his character arc grew. and he became the best hand to hand fighter of any federation character in the tng, ds9, voyager universe. even beating some six-seven jem hadah fighters hand to hand in a row while in a dominion prison. and yes he stopped being suicidal, and almost worshipping death as klingon warrior are prone to. he learnt to chieve victory by any means possible, whether that meant retreat or subterfuge. in insurrection, worf should have been second officer over data. captain sisko had the best crew on deep space nine. he really knew who to pick for those positions. and he understood klingons. worf like sisko far more than picard. as did chief o brien. data is strongest, but data is prone to vulnerable to sneak attacks so he is not good against multiple opponents. and worf's advice on attack and defense strategy advice was taken on deep space nine as chief strategic operations officer. but on enterprise his advice was normally ignored, as picard did not like to fight. usually an enemy ship had fired ten photon torpedoes at the enterprise before they return fire as they are so slow to retaliate. enterprise would have been pretty useless in the dominion war , especially in the final battle against the dominion defense perimeter around cardassia prime. there was too much static characters on tng. and any character development was usually wrong. e.g. jordie loses his visor which allowed him to see more things than a human, e.g. non visible electromagnetic spectrum, so by losing the visor he becomes a less useful crew member. counsellor troy's accent becomes messed up, and he now looks too human-the big betazoid eyes have gone, and the pale skin and black hair. chief o brien was wasted, but went to deep space nine and became chief of operations. and that didnt mean being locked away in a separate engineering room like jordie. it meant being in opps with the captain and colonel kiera. and it meant being a senior officer on the defiant. he often acted like the second officer. i would say he was the joint second most important crew member in deep space nine. but was stuck as transporter chief with nothing to do on enterprise. and actually chief o brien proved to be a much better character than jordie, and he was a family man, AND i could demonstrably prove he was actually a superior engineer to jordie. enterprise should surely have cloak technology now, since the alliance with the romulans yielded a cloaking device for the defiant class vessels.

[@rorus9530]

You make some interesting points, but I don’t think there’s anyone Worf respects more than Picard. Don’t forget he defended Worf before the Klingon high council, and helped lay the path for Worf reclaiming his honour.

[@thomas.parnell7365]

@@shaunhumphreys6714 in sure Starfleet operation s took some very detailed scans of the defiant s cloak they could probably simply replicate or fabricate one if situation called for it

[@shaunhumphreys6714]

​@@thomas.parnell7365 that's true. and it was the only the romulan treaty, of which the federation being banned from cloak technology seems to have been a massive part of that treaty. before the treaty it looks like earth was at war with romulus, either just before federation was formed, or just after. the cost of peace was to satisfy romulan paranoia by making a massive concession to not develop or use cloaking technology. and of course being at peace the klingon empire, starfleet can at any time borrow a cloaked ship from them, as captain picard does, and also gul dakot commandeers a cloaked klingon ship which he uses for a while with a small crew in his solo war effort. the romulan leader of the ship that captain kirk steals the romulan cloaking device from, told him the romulans would develop a way to detect a vessel using that cloak very soon, so stealing it was not going to be very beneficial to the federation. and the romulan leader was correct in this. in tng, twenty four hundreds, the enterprise set up a blockade between the romulans and klingon empire during the klingon civil war. data was in charge of the sutherland during the blockade and he modified the Sutherland's sensors to detect a residual tachyon signature around the cloaked Romulan ships. He then exposed the ships using modified low-yield photon torpedoes. romulan and klingon cloaks are pretty much the same. but romulans developed the cloaked quite abit before the klingons. they developed the first one i think in the first few years of captain kirks'time on the enterprise. however it is also said by one of kirk's bridge crew, as they had not seen romulans for a very long time, and had no idea what their ships looked like or how they would act, one bridge officer with a grudge against them for killing his family tells kirk that they have copied klingon ship design, so they look like birds of prey. the main difference is that romulan ships are green. that is accentuated very much in the TNG era. so romulans are definitely technologically more advanced than klingons. plus while romulans had a intelligence wing the tal shiar, klingons dont have anything as good as that. we see as well that it's quite easy to track cloaked vessels. the romulans explain that the warp drive must be perfectly balanced to disguise a cloaked ship, or it leaves a distinct trail of breadcrumbs, the defiant using a cloak is almost pointless. its a tiny ship that is overpowered, over weaponised, so with the cloak, they cant disguise all of that and it leaves a distinct trail and the defiant gets caught all the time under cloak. they have to turn of main power, warp, impulse, and put life support to minimum in order to then evade detection under cloak. it's better than nothing but barely tachyon detectors are routinely used by federation to detect romulan ships.

[@bluemike807]

Not only this but he was willing to take a tremendous risk living out the rest of his life on Pre-Contact Earth as a Klingon.

[@iomis2001]

When a Klingon says it's time to go, it's time to go.

[@applejacks971]

"Aight, Imma just gonna be headin on out then..."

[@beyerch]

Kinda like when you see the bomb squad guy running, you better follow!

[@christosvoskresye]

@@beyerch There was a scene in the 1983 TV movie "Special Bulletin" in which the bomb squad realize they have lost control of the device and it is about to go off. It's actually kind of funny to see them run -- like being 50 feet from the bomb when it goes off will be any different than being 10 feet away. In either case, you won't know what hit you!

[@christosvoskresye]

@@beyerch Most of that movie wasn't very funny, though. I don't think anyone under 35 really realizes how the near certainty of nuclear annihilation had permeated all of society with a kind of despair during the Cold War.

[@TheOtherGuys2]

Come to think of it, as a Klingon, the typical instinct of which would be to die in battle before even thinking about retreat, Mr Worf is demonstrating an amazing degree of courage in this scene. After all, obeying the order to retreat would be easier, since he doesn't see it as himself running away. Suggesting that tactic though, means that he has to stand up to himself first, to defy the single most influential figure to his actions: his own ego. And to top it off, he also has to stand up to the man he most respects in the world, Captain Picard. I think that might be the bravest thing he's ever done.

[@Maupin001]

"I regret some of the things I said to you earlier." "Some...?" Worf isn't letting Picard off the hook until he specifically identifies the misdeed for which he is apologizing. A+ apology handling, Worf!

[@Goodmans93]

And worf Isnt a man so thats not much either.

[@richardlahan7068]

Maupin001 Rightly so!

[@AidanFarren-Hart]

Worf _is_ a man, regardless of his species.

[@timcusack9388]

@@AidanFarren-Hart Worf make that clear he's not define as "man" because that weak human term for male

[@AidanFarren-Hart]

When did he say that?

[@mohabexpert123]

“It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to your enemies, but a great deal more to stand up to your friends”

[@terrgon]

100 points to the house of Martok/Mogh.

[@davecrupel2817]

​@@terrgonQ'APLA!

[@CaptainBad2002]

@@davecrupel2817 Avada q'aplavda!

[@jacobstamm]

"Very good, Ensign Sito. You have passed the Gik'tal challenge. It takes courage to say the test is unfair." - Worf, Son of Mogh

[@StsFiveOneLima]

JJ Trek has nothing like this.

[@ActuallyEric]

Jean-Luc Picard is the only man who has called Worf a coward and lived to apologize for it.

[@itsOasus]

Can't say the same for that one Jem'Hadar in "To The Death" *snerk*

[@sokagofferenginar8669]

Due heavily in part to Worf's immense respect for Picard as proven by his own statement if you were any other man I would kill you where you stand.

[@tails0420ify]

For the best example see Former Chancellor Gowron.

[@rontwentyone]

Actually, Guinan called him a coward once, but it was in a jokey sort of way, so sort of doesn't count.

[@TheCormTube]

Worf always had a huge respect for Picard.

[@sword4005]

the only time in star trek that enterprise crew did what worf suggested,

[@Gazzar]

Except in ST:TNG Emissary

[@johnload72]

@@Gazzar and in ST:TNG Once Bitten

[@jerodast]

And it was literally his first return to the Enterprise after being permanently reassigned to DS9 :P Absence makes the heart grow fonder!

[@robjackson5245]

To be fair they did it plenty of times on "TNG" Remember Worf wasn't right all the time. Physical force is necessary but sometimes diplomacy is better! I think it's a perfect example of Worf being mature. You can't always get what you want.

[@tacnayn4439]

XD

[@CardboardSliver]

I always loved how quick Worf was in shaking Picard's hand after the apology. Picard raised his hand in a slow, and remorseful way, while Worf grasped his hand with assurance and forgiveness. I will always love small details in characters like this.

[@simontopler1990]

a really good observation!

[@gaminginhdmax3854]

picard must be like a father figure to him by now so he respects him alot!!!

[@thetandfpodcast]

Worf is the most dynamic Trek character

[@JayMaverick]

Only if they'd spent any amount of detail in actually using the Picard-character from the series instead of this action-weirdo.

[@katherineberger6329]

@@JayMaverick This exactly. The Picard who apologizes to Worf is one of the only times in this entire movie we see the Jean-Luc Picard we've known for a decade. The rest of the movie feels more like Captain John McClane Picard.

[@chrispeplinski7306]

the scene showed how much respect worf and picard had for one another.

[@zarbonthedestroyer7232]

"If you were any other man i would kill you where you stand!"

[@slyesttrash7857]

Dwayne that is respect, he respects Picard above all other men enough to not kill him where he would if he were anyone else.

[@thoruszwolf4153]

So, he'd have killed Riker if he had said that o.O?

[@slyesttrash7857]

If that particular moment Riker was in charge and had said what Picard said when Worf suggested evacuating the Enterprise then yeah I think he would of killed him. I don't think Riker would of ordered them to stay though, he didn't have the same history with the Borg as Picard. Or maybe Worf just said it for dramatic effect.

[@JanetStarChild]

Worf could certainly try, but I don't think he would succeed in killing Riker.

[@jesseberg3271]

"If you were any other man, I would kill you where you stand!" Riker, Sisko, Martok, Kira, Worf respects many warriors. But Picard is the embodiment of Worf's ideal Klingon. Stoic, fearless but at the same time cunning, resolute, steadfast, unfailingly honorable, and with a bit more of a restrained sense of humor and fun than seems common among most other Klingons.

[@dirdib69]

Picard's qualities also made him seem like something of a Vulcan ideal to Spock. One gets the sense that Picard would have been good at nearly anything that drew his interest. But the fact that Worf chose him above all else to stand with him in his challenge against the High Council says it all. I liked that they had at least one conversation between Worf and O'Brien about missing the Enterprise. They needed to distance him from that life in order for him to settle into things on DS9, but I'm glad they didn't just handwave it. The Enterprise and her crew would (and should) have a certain in-world fame.

[@hobomike6935]

"what is the result of adding two numbers together?" Worf: 1:43

[@aidanthornton8297]

@@hobomike6935 Get out.

[@josephmeeks5657]

it would have been nice to have one other character from DS9

[@jsullivan2112]

Don't forget cultured.

[@aciarduce]

"We barely knew her. Think they'll make another one?" "Plenty of letters left in the alphabet."

[@rollerbladinggeek5507]

aciarduce congrats on being able to repeat what someone else says.

[@rollerbladinggeek5507]

silverfoxeater The purpose of a quote is to demonstrate a point, not to repeat what someone says.

[@sandwichbreath0]

@@rollerbladinggeek5507 Quoting memorable lines helps other people find specific clips on here. I myself have found specific scenes from shows/movies over the years by simply searching for the quotes, rather than trying to work my way to it slowly through various results. So the 'purpose of a quote' on KZbin isn't exactly as narrow-minded as you're being now. Now skate on.

[@rollerbladinggeek5507]

Francisco Nieves speak for yourself. Another incorrect analogy!

[@keithallver2450]

Well, we know that they at least get as far as Enterprise-J

[@testy462]

I love how much this scene shows that word had grown. he never would have dreamed of openly challenging Picard during the TNG timeframe. His time on DS9 with Sisko, after switching to command from security, saw him grow from a still junior officer into a experienced senior one. Great writing.

[@Jordie_42]

BA_300_AAC calling a Klingon a coward is the ultimate insult.

[@oldtwinsna8347]

Yea, would've been nice if Worf threw out some Dominion war stories such as, " I fought many Jem'Hadar and broke their necks in daily glorious battle so I know what the hell I'm talking about when it comes to hand to hand combat. What do you know, hiding behind the lines?"

[@GayLPer]

@@oldtwinsna8347 Sorry for responding to a two year old comment, but... Worf had more respect for Picard than that. He wouldn't have ever accused Picard of being a coward, even as a reaction to Picard calling *him* one. Yes, he *is* still extremely insulted, and hurt, and angry. But he's not about to stoop to *that* level. He has too much honor to call a noble, and brave man a coward, even if said man is currently trapped by his desire for vengeance.

[@andrewxu3602]

@@oldtwinsna8347 This was before the Dominion War.

[@oldtwinsna8347]

@@andrewxu3602 Before the official war, but hostilities broke out far earlier for the crew of DS9. Stardate of first contact was in the later half of season 5 so by then Worf had already been through the brutal hell of being in the Dominion prison camp.

[@chewie211171]

These exchanges are a priceless ST moment. For a Klingon to be labelled a coward ( and in public) is the worst insult possible. However, Worf's acceptance of Picard's "apology", ahem grovelling, speaks volumes about how much honour Worf has. He's obviously annoyed by the earlier comment and obviously wanted to punch Picard's lights out, but, still has a lot of respect for Picard to be able to 'suck it up' and show his respect by way of shaking his former Captain's hand. Michael Dorn plays it well, just look at the expression on his face & his eyes.

[@Ares99999]

Where is Picard grovelling? And Worf BETTER have respect.

[@Hyperion5182]

That respect is the only reason Picard didnt die on the spot. There is MAJOR personal history between the two. But by this point Worf's character had shifted into Uber mode on DS9. That from his former Commanding officer was almost impossible to take.

[@Ares99999]

Hyperion5182 Ah, yes, because killing a man twice your age because of an insult is SUCH a brave thing. If respect was the only thing preventing Worf from committing murder for utterly petty reasons, then this guy is absolutely worthless. Because there's nothing TOUGH or GREAT about murder.

[@Hyperion5182]

Worf is a Klingon. You do not insult klingons like that and live. The Captain at this point was on a suicide mission the crew was considering mutiny at this point in the plot.

[@Ares99999]

Hyperion5182 Yes, thank you for reminding me that bloodthirst and stupidity is a racial Klingon trait.

[@ryanhampson673]

I love this scene because it shows a different type of courage in Worf...We always think of courage as in physically fighting, but Worf is showing moral courage at this moment. He knows he’s being insubordinate but he values the lives of the crew over the ship...He had the guts to stand up to his command and say no! This is wrong.

[@menacelurkingyet8345]

Captain Picard was going crazy with seeking only vengeance over the Borg.

[@upland77]

Ryan, your comment is completely underrated and totally correct. It takes a lot of guts and courage to stand up to your boss when you think your boss is wrong!

[@hobomike6935]

"a strong man stands up for himself. a stronger man stands up for others." -Ben

[@Protologos]

Seriously. That took so much courage. He probably had to fight every klingon instinct to follow the chain of command and fight to the death but he planted his feet.

[@OptionalOG]

I will never forget the gasp in the theatre. I was 9 when this movie came out, I think. Maybe 8. My mom and dad, and their friends and kid and I all went to see it on opening night. "You're afraid. You want to destroy the ship up and run away. You coward" *Gasp - Popcorn chewing stopped* Good times man ahahahah

[@mkaplan1383]

That action was unheard of by Capt Picard, and anyone who knows about Kligons knew Picard sign his own death warrent for saying that to Worf.

[@donsryche1]

There aren’t a lot of moments like that in movies but when they do happen it’s always an awesome movie going experience.

[@Spacegoat92]

I just have this vision of a stunned 8 year old with cheeks full of popcorn unable to chew hahahaha

[@jasonpye4649]

I remember seeing this in the theaters in 1996, I was in high school of course. The first time I saw it was with a good buddy of mine and then I think I saw it with my brother and maybe my folks another time or two.

[@NameCallingIsWeak]

Thanks for posting

[@Shanethefilmmaker]

Worf's expression when called that was actually pretty subtle. He understood Picard was hurting, but at the same time, he refused to take any crap from him.

[@NavarinoDC]

Great acting, considering the limitations of the prosthetics.

[@Alvin-1138]

He managed to show rage, hurt, and discipline all in a short sequence. Excellent acting. It was sad to see Picard diminished on that moment.

[@atrociousconsequences4432]

Worf has taken a lot of crap from Picard, he is loyal to his commanding officer.

[@menacelurkingyet8345]

Right, but he mostly refused to take any crap from anybody.

[@Shanethefilmmaker]

@@menacelurkingyet8345 ya, but Worf has enough respect for Picard that he's sometimes willing to take it from him.

[@michaelmueller8772]

At 1:37, the look of Worf's face is terribly moving. He looks like a boy in pain because his father, whom he idolises, has wronged him. That's their relationship, boiled to its essence.

[@MatthewPlatz]

Perfectly put, Michael! I almost need to say Amen after that!

[@lukemiles88]

Worf's finally had enough of being DENIED again and again!

[@spec10]

it's like he was like "'the line must be drawn here! this far, no further!" :D

[@TheOtherGuys2]

Things the Borg can't adapt to: Bullets. Blades. Explosives. Any weapon that isn't based on phase modulated photons. Things the Federation uses to fight the Borg: Phasers. Photon torpedoes.

[@rageagaintstheNWO]

Good ol projectile weapons. Even an explosive tipped crossbow is more effective than their cool looking toyguns.

[@asheer9114]

I loved in STO to cut down Borg drones with my Nausicaan sword, against which they couldn't defend at all. >:)

[@MeAndMira]

I used the Bat'leth to kill the Undine Borg. It was the only think that worked for me

[@Christopher0184]

The shotgun works wonders as well.

[@danieljames1868]

Photon torpedoes are matter/antimatter warheads with a warp drive, not some loosely-bound ball of light. Also phasers are nadion-based, not glorified lasers, but nevermind that technobabble.

[@AAvfx]

*Replicate Bat'leths to all the crew, then fight hand to hand!* 💪

[@dreadfulspiller8766]

Better yet replicate machine guns .

[@Leidnix]

@@dreadfulspiller8766 They did work on the Holodeck, never understood why they didn't use "projectile" weapons. Or flood the decks with the stuff that dissolves bio mass which they showed in the end sequence^^

[@falconuruguay4588]

@@dreadfulspiller8766 Yep, replicate good old fashioned AK-47's, and load them with frangible ammo, so as to reduce any penetration of the outer hull of the ship...

[@tigersebel]

@@Leidnix they did work for 2 borg. phaser usually kill more borg before they adapt. also those weren't bullets. hologramms are technically "photons, hold together by forcefields". we have literally no reason to believe they couldn't adapt to that given enough shots.

[@butterflyjill6887]

I just finished voyager and I believe there was an episode where that happened but I can't recall

[@cdowg187]

Ok there was a REASON why worf chose Picard as his chadeech in sins of the father. The respect they have for 1 another is amazing.

[@MarcWeertsMusic]

I had forgotten how beautiful First Contact's music was... Definitely my favourite Star Trek movie.

[@interferenceband7165]

I forgot how beautiful Gates Mafadden was.

[@al307antony2]

💯 mine too

[@chriswilson3126]

It's certainly one of the best. My 2nd fave after wrath of Khan

[@sharonduplessis5755]

The best star trek movie is the motion picture

[@dwilliams02]

My favorite musical theme of any of the movies probably and I love how they reprise it during the apology moment - just feels so touching and fitting.

[@JossJoss5000]

I remember the murmur and „woah...“ that went through the movie theater crowd after Picard called Worf a coward... 😅

[@bill775]

wow lol.

[@MrSinfold]

Even Bev was like woah JP that's too far

[@NavarinoDC]

Dem's FIGHTING WORDS!!!

[@atrociousconsequences4432]

You get a lot of murmurs with your movie theater crowds ? Just ignore them.

[@MattBailz]

The acting was great. You can really see the pain in Worfs face after Picard called him a coward. Great work

[@NJthe6]

‘If you were any other man..’. This showed how much respect Worf had for Picard- even when he is severely insulted by him.. and Picard apologizing to Worf shows how this deep respect is reciprocated.. wonderful relationship between the two. Worf certainly made the right choice choosing Picard as his Cha’Dish 🙂

[@mr.dragoncrypto4138]

Deep cut. Love it. Only Picard had his back.

[@swanronson173]

GOAT Worf line

[@camschuster5947]

RIP Jerry Goldsmith. His sound makes that apology scene amazing on top of the performances.

[@stonebaxter]

Superb writing. Worf saw the emotional mistake Picard was making. He's been on DS9 now at this point long enough to see such a glaring disconnect from the Picard he served under. He called him out and rightly so. Worf hit close to the bone with his analysis and deep down Picard knew he was right. That's why Picard's insult to him was also an emotional response, going for the ultimate insult to a Klingon's honor. Jean-Luc needed the "old Worf" he remembers. The battle-craving Klingon whose chain he was always holding back. He wanted him off the chain. He needed someone who wouldn't question his thirst for vengeance and would be his most ardent asset in committing such. So for Worf, of all people, to suddenly say "Nope, you've lost sight"....this was a matured OFFICER Worf. That is what triggered Picard. The moment his favorite "thug" was out-rationalizing him, Picard knew he was in the wrong. It was that trigger that sent him down the path to lose it in the Ready Room with Lily. Such great growth from both characters. Possibly the best scene between the two in the entire franchise, up to and including the recent TNG Reunion series. Superb writing.

[@Mahlercougar]

That's how real men solve their disagreements... With honor and sense of duty in the face of adversity

[@SuperPatch88]

One of my favorite scence. I always loved the storyline between picard and worf during the series. Honor means everything.

[@WizelBalan]

You can tell Worf really values Picard's opinion on a person's character and when Picard apologizes and says how much he honestly respects Worf as a person that it truly means a great deal to him.

[@aaronbecker7026]

I get goosebumps. Fantastic acting. Even with prosthetics and makeup and alien forehead bumps, this little moment feels so genuine and heartfelt. This is what Star Trek is about, not phasers and photon torpedos.

[@easygrin1127]

Also phases and torpedoes .. get so tired of people always complaining about when star trek has good action and moments off violence I agree that shouldn't be only about that but it shouldn't be without either

[@aaronbecker7026]

They are great, but they are a way to tell a story. The story is what gives those things weight.

[@easygrin1127]

Aaron Becker agreed

[@VaderTheWhite]

The acting is so so good. Also, I love how Worf can say everything with just one word.

[@joemasters2270]

“Some” Yeah Worf was still pissed 🤣

[@Romulan2469]

He had every right to be. It was one of the most lame ass apologies I have ever seen.

[@willharris7609]

Dorn was so good in this scene. The look of utter disbelief when Picard said he was afraid that was quickly replaced by the fiery scowl as he delivered the "kill you where you stand!" line was damn good acting.

[@marktully9090]

I adore this scene. The respect Worf has for Picard gives me chills!

[@stimulanttree]

Cause you know Worf wasn't lying when he said that

[@thomasheaney936]

I was Star Wars kid growing up, didnt get in to trek until I was in my teens, I feel a deep sense of love and warmth from TNG, just a wonderful set a characters

[@Nicole-rq8ix]

Aww I don’t think there will ever be a cast like TNG crew. From everything I’ve seen, they had a blast on set, and most importantly at the end of the day they produced an amazing show with rich characters.

[@martinjrgensen8234]

Casts like this are lightning in a bottle. It is very rare that a group of people have this kind of chemistry. They never really managed to find the same magic with the other shows

[@locutus99]

@@martinjrgensen8234 SNW is off to a killer start.

[@filthycasual8187]

@@locutus99 Agreed. Especially with Pike being reimagined as basically "space dad." I'm not knocking it, I think it's a good choice. We already had "space mom" in the form of Janeway, let us have "space dad."

[@jasongould04]

DS9 is better

[@hobomike6935]

that wonderful period of time where TNG, DS9, and VOY were the 3 star trek shows was the golden age of _Star Trek's_ fandom.

[@muttleycrew]

Michael Dorn's great acting cannot be concealed by his vast amount of makeup. Given much less expressive range to work with than other actors, he still kills it.

[@daddystu7046]

He is one of the best actors still - in Picard season 3.

[@muttleycrew]

@@daddystu7046 Absolutely. Just watched the latest episode and won't do spoilers so I will just say that he was excellent and one of his scenes in particular was a real highlight for me.

[@killbot_factory]

this is my star trek: conflict and resolution between strong characters of high morals and dignity, well written and acted, and showing the potential for humanity in even the most trying times.

[@ShroomKeppie]

And now we get "Star Trek: Picard," where Patrick Stewart's personal feelings about both Brexit and Donald Trump color his judgement to the point where he creates a Star Trek universe that looks like the one we know, but is angry and xenophobic. "Sheer f*cking hubris" could be applied to this entire series.

[@hawkiebaby]

Funny thing is that I remember that me and other fans discussed the film in 1996 and were not convinced. We claimed that Picard would never give in to egocentric hatred and subjectiveness. TNG showed how he was able to handle situations with the Borg and even forgive Hugh for what he was. This learning experience was not added to Picard's character in First Contact.

[@nutbastard]

@@hawkiebaby Everyone has a breaking point. Everyone has failed themselves. This scene humanizes Picard, a character who is correct in his actions and reasoning almost always. The value of failure is in recognizing it, and further cementing who you are and what you stand for. Picard is rarely wrong, but when he is, he owns up to it. If he were right 100% of the time, he would be a boring character.

[@stackowoflow]

But this was so out of character for Picard. The conflict between them was so contrived

[@hawkiebaby]

​@@nutbastard Of course, you are right. But I always considered Star Trek an utopian future with larger than life characters who served as (nearly) perfect role models to illustrate the best of humandkind - however realistic that may be. I know that this contradicts with modern storytelling because human conflicts cannot be shaped out properly by the writers. But, a protagonist who did not integrate all aspects and challenges of his hero's journey, easily becomes the hate filled villain and falls. I never thought it to be believable that Picard would walk that line.

[@TheOmegaRiddler]

I've probably watched this scene 10 times now in the past few months, and I've only just realized that while Worf was essentially a first officer, he was on equal footing with Picard as he was in command of the Defiant. Picard could pull rank, because his ship has tactical superiority, but Worf was probably well within his rights to assume command of the Enterprise and order the self destruct be activated as Picard was compromised emotionally. He had the crew of the Defiant to think about, who were onboard and were also probably fighting The Borg. The only thing stopping him was his respect for his former captain and maybe his relative inexperience in the area of command.

[@Kontorotsui]

Isn't Picard still higher rank?

[@TheOmegaRiddler]

@@Kontorotsui Worf was a Commander but he was in command of the Defiant which would technically make him a Captain. Because he was rescued by the Enterprise. They are on equal footing as commanding officers of a starship. Picard does outrank him in both rank and starship. In this case, Worf could have had the ability to relieve Picard of Command

[@jeremyglass2616]

Dr. Crusher could have declared him unfit for duty as well, but for some reason didn't bat an eye. It took some stranger from the past to get him to come to his senses, which is very much unlike Picard from the tv series.

[@magnetikmonopole]

@@jeremyglass2616 I wonder if Lily wasn't acting in some way as the same voice Guinan usually did for him. Not a starfleet officer, so she could talk to him more as an equal without the chain of command.

[@L1z43vr]

@@jeremyglass2616 You mean unlike Jean-Luc “IT’S NOT A PERSON, DAMN IT, IT’S A BORG” Picard who said that line to Guinan? And the same Picard who had to be convinced by the crew to actually not kill Hugh? The same Picard who had to be convinced to even let Hugh on board?

[@MassEffectFan113]

"I fear nothing. And if you would like to pick up a bat'leth and face me with weapons instead of words, I will prove it to you." -Worf, DS9 "Rules of Engagement"

[@Quimper111]

Who would ever accept fighting a Klingon with his prefered weapon? Especially one that is so clumsy and counter-intuitive as the bat'leth that it even requires special training from the klingons to be useable in any practical way; mostly for ritualistics macho "i know it's stupid, but i'm so badass i'm gonna use it anyway" purposes.

[@al307antony2]

0:26 wait.. Hits me right in the feels. Worf doesn’t want fellow crewmen to die needlessly. First Contact is the best TNG film and only 2nd to Wrath of Khan.

[@tdog652041]

Note how the crewman looks at Worf to say I can’t question a captain but you can.

[@jmackmcneill]

​@@tdog652041 I love that detail, good eyes! I would say less the nuanced communication so much as a simple appeal for a second opinion: "Am I crazy? Or is the Captain?"

[@Daktangle]

Not just stop them dying, but being added to the Borg's ranks.

[@townsville69]

I miss Star Trek, that is so powerful it makes me tear up.

[@CaptTeamwork]

I'm getting old. I've watched these movies and this series so many times. I feel like these are my friends. I wish there were 10 more movies and 12 more seasons with TNG actors.

[@josiahclinch6219]

this why I loved the prime timeline captains. they had the guts to say I am sorry!

[@RJSRdg]

Except that Picard didn't actually use the word "Sorry"

[@oldfrend]

that worf side-eye. equal parts anger and disappointment. good acting.

[@CountryMetal01]

You know its a bad situation when Worf is the Voice of reason

[@Neophlegm]

Both these scenes are absolute, total masterpieces. The acting, the diction, the lighting, the camera work, and that unbelievable score. It's perfection.

[@MarsM13]

....that moment when even the Klingon thinks you're nuts.

[@cptairwolf]

These new star trek shows can't hold a candle to this writing and acting. These older series were brilliant in every way and always had an underlying message for us.

[@anthonycorreia3017]

“If you were any other man” gets me every time...

[@mattb6369]

It's profound because that line shows how much respect Worf truly has for Picard. Any other man includes his son, his biological brother, his foster brother and foster father, Riker, Geordi, Sisko, O'Brian, Odo, Martok, the list goes beyond to infinity.

[@frozenlake1215]

“Brave doesn't mean you're not scared. It means you go on even though you're scared.” - Angie Thomas

[@mohanicus]

absolutely no doubt they are the best crew in the entire franchise love the fact that a starship captain has the respect to apologise to a fellow crewmate and shake hands and that is what makes picard for me my favourite captain.

[@lkvideos7181]

Worf is the greatest Klingon that has ever lived.

[@Zwei4815]

He certainly tried to be the greatest Klingon. He grew up on Earth only getting an idealized picture of what a Klingon was and should be, and when he finally met real Klingons he was greatly disappointed.

[@lkvideos7181]

yet he still shares the noble principles of both societies what imo makes him the greatest Klingon.

[@JanetStarChild]

Worf is only a great klingon because he was raised by humans and disciplined by Starfleet. Klingons in general are an irrational and juvenile species.

[@DantesonofSparda85]

What about General then Chancellor Martok from DS9?

[@NoJusticeNoPeace]

General Chang would like words with you. Probably in rhyming couplet.

[@chessenthusiast]

This scene embodies what I love about TNG: the characters are fantastic. People might get emotional, because after all, they’re people. But they don’t engage in duplicity, manipulation, deceit. They are the best people we could hope to handle the situations they encounter. Like Superman, Picard, Riker, and Worf are good people trying to do good things, and are people to look up to.

[@markkarjaluoto5628]

Picard: "I regret some of the things I said to you." Worf: "OK then... your death will be downgraded to a senseless beating instead. This is gonna be sweeeeeet..."

[@bingeMAFIA]

I love how Worf knew Picard wouldnt be coming but he didnt care because he had already pissed him off.

[@brandonjones557]

Thats one of those scenes that always sticks with you. You just never forget the " if you were any other man" part.

[@MrRolyat98]

First Contact was a good flick. I liked when Lily started calling Picard out with the Moby Dick reference even though she admitted she never read the book.

[@redcardinalist]

First Contact is (imo) the only time the Borg are presented as a terrifying threat. In the scenes of them taking over the Enterprise they move quickly (something missing from their numerous appearances in Voyager - where they slowly walk about) and the viewer can really feel the fear they induce when your phsers have no effect and on touch means death (or worse than death - assimilation). Just waiting for them to waken in "Picard". Doing experiments on a Borg cube? What could possibly go wrong....

[@ToadstedCroaks]

@@asdffdsa541 Keep in mind that at this point in the timeline the things Picard learned while being a Borg were invaluable in Starfleet's later encounters with the Borg, including when Picard took command of the battle against the cube and is able to better coordinate strategy and weak points to ships who this may be their very first engagement with The Borg. During Enterprise's first encounter via Q ...they had absolutely no idea what they were up against, and they would of course try to rationalize and attempt a diplomatic means of victory ...as they have done up to that point. We are comparing a completely taken by surprise with no intel scenario and comparing it to one in which there was years of it. This also coincides with why the Borg queen is not as intimidating, as by this time she has also not a random or brand new encounter ( to either Picard or from Voyager's detailed records ). She's also flawed, just like all species ( including borg ) are in one degree or another, because she's uniquely conscious and in possession of free will. Her interactions with both Picard, Janeway, and other past ones has shaped her emotional responses, her emotional safeguards, etc., as well as the reverse for people like PIcard who know her well too. An unknown unstoppable enemy is always going to be far more frightening and dangerous than the one you know intimately. What makes her presence there intimidating and dangerous is in the actions she's performing; traveling back in time to an extremely vulnerable Earth, turning Data, having control of the ship, etc.. In the context of the movie and tv series, the only two instances where she "lost" ...were due to subterfuge from a single individual in a situation that for all intent and purpose should have ended in her favor. She wasn't outsmarted or outgunned by anything other than plot twisting for theatrical effect.

[@ralphyetmore]

"Some" is the appropriate response to that initial limp approach to an apology. Worf is always good at that.

[@essentiallorddon3043]

That one statement from worf shows the awesome level of respect he has for picard

[@PiazzaGurl]

Worf had truly grown from his Klingon traditional ways. Jadzia had helped him evolved. She really brought out the best in him. He became more understanding the value of life. And if it can be saved, then do so at all costs. Picard knew he was out of line and Worf made sure he knew that.

[@thoughtfinder]

Watching I just realize something about Worf which is awesome. The character Worf isn't afraid to challenge authority when he sees that authority is wrong. Worf also challenged the Klingon leader Galron which costed Galron his life.

[@josiahzabel8596]

Gowron

[@nfindc]

I have always loved the dynamic between Worf and Picard. Worf was clearly a hot-headed Klingon who craved battle and the thrill of the fight, while Picard was the gentle, philosophical, yet stern leader that always chose to examine every avenue before finally deciding the best course of action. Their moments on the series, especially their one-on-one conversations regarding Worfs bogus discommendation were excellent. You obviously saw Picards admiration for him when he accepted the position of his Cha'dich when he approached the High Council, as well as the Officers send-off when he left Starfleet to fight in the Klingon Civil War. Worf always held Picard in high regard and because of this, he became more in touch with the human facet of his duties and appreciating the moral code that came with it.

[@Jayteaseepiirturi]

This is the pinnacle of that relationship: Worf is the more level-headed here, this time around. Love the reversal.

[@oo7warrior]

When people talk about which is the best Star Trek movie, this often gets overlooked because people are looking only at the "original cast" movies.

[@christfollower6772]

Probably the best scene in this movie. Certainly the most memorable.

[@Kairi091]

The line must be drawn HEEYAH!

[@jerodast]

Nuhuh. Adam Scott's delivery of "It's the Enterprise!" for sure.

[@michaellively8132]

Yes, I will give you that. But I also love when Picard opens the viewport and Lily sees the Earth below. He pries her hand from her death-grip on the console and, basically, escorts her into the future and its possibilities.

[@revandarth8282]

I still love picard not even blinking at the threat then telling him to get off his bridge but then you see the moments hestation in his eyes as he see worf go

[@stevetheduck1425]

He's a fine actor, and understands that the camera sees more than a theatre audience. On the stage, he would have had to signal that regret as Worf leaves with a step toward him, etc.

[@Sheehan1]

Picard under a lot of stress

[@lkvideos7181]

and pride

[@WilfredIvanhoe]

This scene does a good job showing that despite of being a model Starfleet officer, even Picard has human flaws. But he is still a man enough to admit them (eventually) and act accordingly.

[@JR-ju3kj]

@@WilfredIvanhoe Well said.We all say things that we regret when we're angry(even great men like Picard).But like you said,Picard was man enough to admit his human flaws and act accordingly.

[@PowerGlove79]

Can we talk about how amazing this score is?

[@robertswift6101]

Worf was right challenging Picards decision..Worf has no problem dying for a worthy death....but suicide goes against everything he is as a man.Picard was very lucky he didnt end up dead calling Worf a coward like that....awesome scene

[@RRW359]

I don't think he cared about himself dying needlessly as much as he did the rest of the crew. Literally the day before he was seconds away from ramming into the cube when the Defiant was crippled.

[@martinjrgensen8234]

Absolutely fabulous movie this one. And this cast just work so well together

[@argonunya1543]

If you were any other man. That’s such a powerful line. Michael Dorn owns this scene so well.

[@PaddyRoon7]

I love that Worf's face is still plastered with fury even though he knows an apology is coming 😂 you can even see him snarl as he says "some."

[@Monody512]

"Fight hand-to-hand if you have to." Against the Borg? That's literally the worst thing you could do. You'd just be feeding them new drones.

[@thehoodedman4640]

Damn straight!

[@oldtwinsna8347]

That's where Worf should've interjected and told Picard, "Excuse me sir, but i fought hand to hand with Jem'Hadar warriors every day when captured as a prisoner. That was glorious and with honor, but this does not."

[@johnbestavros6915]

Apparently is was super easy to do it in Voyager though...for some reason...

[@philiphunn194]

@@johnbestavros6915 Voyager completely kneecapped the Borg through overuse. Not only did the writers make the Borg look like idiots over and over again, they completely mangled the relationship between the Borg Collective and the Borg Queen - in First Contact, she IS the Collective, the focal point of trillions of minds, yet in Voyager she talks TO the Collective as if she and it are separate beings (the scene in "Unimatrix Zero" where she demands a drone tell her about the dream-world is a prime example - she's the manifestation of the Collective, so she should have instantly known what that drone knew without having to ask).

[@anthonymares5079]

Species 8472 would have a slightly different opinion.

[@bennettwinters7278]

Worf was so in the right here. Picard allowed his PTSD to influence his emotions.

[@roryclague5876]

Goddamn I love this crew.

[@richardsaga7559]

I remember when I was young this was so important to me.

[@ChronoKatie]

I love this moment not even for the drama between Picard and Worf, but for Worf's character development. He would have never done this on the show but he's come a long way.

[@FizzleFX]

1:18 a legit exchange and showcase of respect

[@Gman671]

Always loved this scene but even more during the TNG series when Data scolded Worf about being a jerkoff when he was in command. After scolding him, Data thought their friendship would be over, which Worf quickly realized what he did to his friend. Same here, shows what happens in actual friendships and what should happen in real life. Expressing regret and the other side accepting they didn't mean it

[@stevencoardvenice]

Yeah I watch that scene all the time. Lieutenant I am DISSATISFIED with your performance Worf had total respect for data after that

[@kevindavis5966]

As "any other man", I believe Worf's glare alone would have killed me.

[@danielwilliamson6180]

1:40 I'm glad he apologized to Worf.

[@Indylimburg]

The writers were on point with this movie.

[@metsrus]

Worf is no coward. He called Gowron out on his BS and proceeded to kill him.

[@colinmontgomery1956]

"Fight hand-to-hand if you have to." It looks like they already were. That crewman has blood all over his face.

[@imcallingjapan2178]

"Thank you, sir." *Crushes every bone in Picard's hand.*

[@enigmagenesis7341]

They should have put crushing sound fx in 😂

[@CaptTeamwork]

Another masterclass in acting from Worf and Picard.

[@zandarx]

Beverly was right to admonish Jean Luc... and he knows it

[@pandarpha7778]

Ever since the lockdown I've gotten a newfound respect for all these actors. Such fucking work ethic.

[@sandytentaclez1051]

I always enjoyed this scene because of how CLEARLY HAPPY Worf is to accept the apology, with how quick he takes Picards Hand? Like "Oh thank god you got to your senses, i really ain't wanna fight with you."

[@CardboardSliver]

Also I'm sure Worf wouldn't hear the end of it from Sisko. Even as a Prophet, you know Sisko would haunt his dreams. Sisko was the only man that Worf openly admitted to being intimidated by.

[@donsryche1]

This movie was full of moments like this. Great movie.

[@DEMON13XO]

Still one of the best scenes!!

[@SinisterMike]

The irony here is that if Worf knew Picard was staying on the ship, there is absolutely no way he would have left.

[@jadonsmith3224]

Seriously, I was like four and like others here, ai can remember the gasp of the audience around me when Picard called Worf a coward. Watching this, I can feel the corners of my eyes tickling the moment Picard starts to apologize. The chemistry is amazing.

[@MrCCollins1993]

I think, what goes unsaid here, is that Worf would just let it go if it were any other man. But hearing his hero Picard call him a coward really cut Worf deeply...

[@thetooginator153]

This scene really moves me. It was beautifully written and beautifully acted. There is stuff that was removed, but I suspect we all know that complete scene by heart. This was just the most intense parts.

[@pyramidhead138]

removed for copyright or it wasnt in the final release either?

[@jackcheung3200]

Even this day, I say, 'See you on Gravett Island' whenever I need to calm myself down, to imagine the situation will improve soon, and that warm First Contact motif on the horn by Jerry Goldsmith plays in my head by heart representing bravery, duty and camaderie.

[@capndayafterday]

Data taught Worf that when a command decision is made, you do not question the command. So for Worf to challenge Picard was a testament to Worf’s belief Picard was making the wrong decision. So when Picard began to apologize, Worf called him again, which made Picard confess Worf was the bravest man he knew. That showed Picard respected the Klingon in front of him, not the rank.

[@seannelson4771]

Worf showed the respect and high honor that he holds for Picard. The man who fought the leader of the Klingon high council to the death and won. If this man says such a thing it means a lot.

[@HRHMANSOUR]

This confrontation was especially noble of Worf because if was given the same order 10 years previous he would have thrown his fists to the death at the Borg in a blaze of Klingon honour, relishing the prospect of receiving a warriors death.

[@robertvantine2810]

I have often thought about what tactics to use to defeat the Borg. One idea I had was having a bunch of genetically-modified Tribbles in stasis. They have been bred to reproduce much faster than than the standard Tribble and can digest metals (not so much as to eat away the Cube, but to generate sustenance to reproduce. Once a Starfleet ship manages to penetrate the Borg Cube, the Tribbles would be revived and transported aboard the Cube, where they would reproduce and reproduce very, very quickly. As more and more Tribbles start appear, the combined body heat would cause the Borg Cube to raise the internal temperature from a comfy 39.1 Celsius. This drastic change in heat, humidity, and atmospheric pressure would cause the Borg to lag and overheat, becoming lethargic. The Tribbles would clog environmental systems, ductwork, hibernation nooks, etc. After I remembered Picard used a gun on the Holodeck to defeat a few Borg to get a vital component, I would love to see a Defiant sized ship with A-10 Gatling guns sticking out the front. Have the ammo belts linked to Replicators, with a suitable cooling system to prevent overheating. Then the ship could make strafing runs on the Cube with several of these Gatling guns firing away to chew up the structure...

[@jamesthomas6476]

I’m embarrassed that Picard even said such a thing to Worf that later demanded an apology.

[@AnticDuelist77]

“First Contact” was my favorite of the Next Generation cast films for soooo many reasons! It gave us a deliciously evil yet charismatic villain in the Borg Queen. It gave us some of Data’s most memorable moments and dialogue. We got stunning performances from James Cromwell and Alfre Woodard in a genre we wouldn’t normally associate them with. And scenes like this one. Just the shock of Picard having the cojones to call *any* Klingon a coward is enough, but Worf?! The Klingon of all Klingons?! And Worf’s response showing just how much respect he has for Picard, despite the grave insult he has just been offered. “Star Trek: First Contact” was a damn good movie, and I don’t care who disagrees with me !!!

[@voteDC]

I love the movie but I will always hate what it did to the Borg. It changed them from a Collective Intelligence to a Hive Mind, the latter has someone in charge. The Borg were scary to me because they showed that when people got together they thought differently. A easy example is how a separated Borg would say few-till but when the collective spoke it was few-tile.

[@martinjrgensen8234]

Alice was wonderful as the queen. So alien and yet so alluring.

[@Jayteaseepiirturi]

I'll say that, at the moment of calling Worf a coward, Picard displayed completel lack of cojones. It was an intentionally low blow. Anyone who knew Worf at all - and Picard sure did - in battle or social circumstances would NEVER call the man a coward unless they wanted to deal a low blow.

[@Natedawg38]

Great scenes like this make fc my fav. Worf guys acting is brilliant, v underrated and brings great humanity to a klingon dude.